January 21, 2006
CAIR Calls for Hostage Release (Sort of)
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is making a big deal out of the fact that they have sent two representatives to Iraq to work for Jill Carroll's release. Instead of taking the opportunity to show Islam as a humane religion by forcefully rejecting all hostage taking as barbarism, they base their appeal on the fact that Jill Carroll was an antiwar journalist.
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Perhaps American hostages Dean Sadek and Jeffrey Ake don't merit CAIR's attention since they were in Iraq working with the U.S. or Iraqi governments.
CAIR press release:
“We, the undersigned representatives of the American Muslim community, call for the immediate and unconditional release of Jill Carroll, a journalist with a well-documented record of objective reporting and respect for both the Iraqi people and Arab-Islamic culture.By "objective" CAIR means that she emphasized the suffering of the Iraqi people under war time conditions--something that would be immediately recognized as an anti-American statement in the Muslim world.
One might say that the conditional attached by CAIR was simply a tactic aimed at winning over the hostage takers. It is possible that CAIR finds all hostage taking barbaric, but chooses only to emphasize Jill Carroll's reporting because that might help win her freedom. But if that is the case, why did CAIR not send any one to Iraq when Jeffrey Ake or Roy Hallums was taken hostage?
“We ask that her captors show mercy and compassion by releasing her so that she may return to her family. Certainly, no cause can be advanced by harming a person who only sought to let the world know about the human suffering caused by the conflict in Iraq.”The Islamofascist front group CAIR again reveals the shallowness of their devotion to the basic premise that taking hostages is uncivilized. I wonder if CAIR believes that a cause might be advanced had the hostage been some one dedicated to revealing what slimy pieces of filth the Iraqi 'resistance' really is?
If CAIR is the best that American Muslims can do, they are truly hurting for leadership.
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I'm praying for Jill Carroll. However, Dean Sadek is dead. Nothing has been heard from him for a year. No demands were ever issued. Just a video begging for his life. I'm not sure about Jeffrey Ake. It's been almost a year. He might still be alive but his company has never negotiated with the captors unlike the case with Roy Hallums who was later rescued. Jeffrey's wife tried to sell her house to pay for a very high ransom but the captors stopped calling her last May. I agree with you that since Jill is a very pretty woman and a journalist, the iraqi officials are fighting more for her release than they did with other Americans who were later beheaded.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 21, 2006 04:32 PM (5E0ex)
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CAIR has long been known for having Muslime terrorist contacts. Several of CAIR's members have in fact been arrested on terrorism charges.
This is clearly a PR ploy used by these goat herders and no one should be fooled. It's time the western human bloggers got together and got this porKoranic oil tick club shut down once and for all.
I'm not buying any of pIslam's conversion or death crap and I sure the hell will never give into the Dhimmicrat liberals protecting this world domination at all costs desert cult.
Posted by: Pagan Allah at January 21, 2006 04:44 PM (4KFmw)
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At the beheading video place. (www.LOL@lol.com) I'm sure you're familiar with that website.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 21, 2006 07:20 PM (rUyw4)
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CAIR and groups like it are a clear and present danger to the US. They have no business in the western hemisphere.
Posted by: Richard at January 21, 2006 08:34 PM (W8EsU)
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Wouldn't it be sooo terrible if the CAIR crew ended up kidnapped?
Posted by: Phillep at January 21, 2006 11:23 PM (DllvA)
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i think everyone needs to get off their soapbox and realize that a life is at stake. I am glad CAIR is taking a proactive approach. I think as Americans we've had enough of this "Islamiphobia" because it is honestly getting old. When someone is doing something good they should be commended and CAIR being the only American organization to send a delegation warrants respect, not bigotry.
Posted by: Aaron at January 22, 2006 03:46 AM (vR0eu)
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Matt Maupin wasn't beheaded. His death was quick and painless. He was shot once in the head and twice in the chest. The video is not on the internet. Matt Maupin's family and the United States Army refuses to believe he is dead but he is. Terrorists have no reason to feed a soldier they declared dead two years ago. It's a shame a good patriot had to die at the hands of monsters. He was a hero. That's the damn truth. I'm in a military family myself. My father served in the Marines and Army for 30 years. He retired last March. Anyway at least Matt wasn't beheaded. A bullet to the head is nothing compared to your head being sawed off.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 22, 2006 09:33 AM (5E0ex)
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When your criticism becomes ideology, then you are no different than the extremists you revile. CAIR, for all its faults, is making an effort to save and innocent persons life. At the very least, instead of falling back on your own deep seated prejeudice, try and reflect on that. They are actually doing alot more to save Jill Carrolls life than you are.
Posted by: Kazi at January 22, 2006 11:53 AM (5V/0S)
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I agree with Kazi and Aaron. This IS getting old, how many more soldiers have to die for us to understand that this war is not ours to fight. It is truly sad that this young lady was caught in the middle.
Did you ever think the reason why they are emphasizing her "objective" approach to reporting in order to appeal to the people who supposedly have her?
Posted by: Samantha at January 22, 2006 12:54 PM (RbqXF)
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Yes, yes, let's sing the praises of CAIR, a radical group posing as moderate that seeks to gain a foothold in the US for radical Islam.
I really don't know when you people are going to wake up to what these Islamists intend to do. 3,000 people killed in the WTC seems to be meaningless to you people. I wish to hell all of you CAIR supporters would take the time to look at what the people who formed CAIR have had to say in the past. They have supported Hamas among other terrorist groups. What more proof do you need? And yes, you will get real tired hearing all the Islamophobia before everything is settled, I'm sure.
But it seems strange to me that every time a terrorist attack is perpetuated by these Islamists all we hear from CAIR is protect us from Islamophobia. Did it ever occur to you people to ask why CAIR is not condemning these Islamists? I can tell you why, because CAIR is nothing more than a front group for them. And I don't see them trying to help anyone else in Iraq other than Muslims, so the credibility of CAIR is zero.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 22, 2006 04:28 PM (rUyw4)
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As I said, all reservations about CAIR aside, what they are doing in Iraq is a GOOD thing. Lets try and separate the organization from the act that they just did - they are intervening on behalf of a non-Muslim journalist (who we only know is sympathetic to Iraqis) and advocating for her release. This is a good thing, regardless of CAIRs past dealings. THey are setting a precedent for other Muslims groups to intervene in these incidents. That cannot be a bad thing, to have America Muslims flying over to Iraq to try and save innocent human beings caught in the cross fire.
The fact is that when you attack CAIR even when they do something half way decent, you are essentially saying that there is nothing that the American Muslim community can do to change your perception that they are a bunch of terrorists and that Islam is thet root of all evil.
Which means you are not really interested in making the situation better, you are just interested in sticking your head in the sand and singing the same stupid song to yourself because your imagination is too limited to conceive of a Muslim doing something positive.
That sir, lies at the roots of racism.
Posted by: Kazi at January 22, 2006 07:51 PM (/Kfu8)
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You, sir, are wrong. Muslims are not a race. So how in the world can that be racism? I'm anxiously awaiting an answer, sir.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 22, 2006 07:59 PM (rUyw4)
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*crickets*
Posted by: dave at January 22, 2006 08:23 PM (CcXvt)
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As a matter of fact, Kazi, if you use your criteria, then Muslims are racists. Muslims have a derogatory term they use for non-Muslim(kaffirs), claim Islam is surperior to every other religion, and force non-Muslims to live under a set of laws that do not apply to Muslims.
So you tell me who the racist is, Mr. Kazi, sir? I'm still waiting for a response.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 22, 2006 08:31 PM (rUyw4)
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CAIR cannot and should not be Trusted for ANYTHING
Posted by: Takinstraight at January 22, 2006 09:01 PM (wZLWV)
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When the KKK does something nice, should they be lauded? Hell no.
Same goes for CAIR.
Posted by: Takinstraight at January 22, 2006 09:04 PM (wZLWV)
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When the KKK does something nice, should they be be lauded? Hell no.
Same goes for CAIR.
Posted by: Takinstraight at January 22, 2006 09:04 PM (wZLWV)
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Should the KKK be lauded for doing something considered "good"? Hell no. They shouldn't exist as an organization.
Same goes for the "Council on American-Islamic Relations"
Posted by: Takinstraight at January 22, 2006 09:08 PM (wZLWV)
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Jesus what a bunch of leftards that came to crap here. Every goddamn liberal on the planet needs to be bulldozed into a giant hole in the ground and covered up; just imagine the things sane people could accomplish if we didn't have this bunch of idiots running around screwing things up constantly.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 22, 2006 10:57 PM (0yYS2)
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for a HUGE organization like CAIR, you cannot condemn the whole organization for one or two bad apples. I know we are all more responsible than that. and the proof is in the pudding. you need to stop throwing out your venomous rhetoric and get off your Daniel Pipes bandwagon dance. If you truly care for your country, you will embrace Muslims because they are here to stay. I swear the bigotry in this country at this point and time is eerily similar to that during the civil rights struggles of the African Americans and Japanese and we all know no one wants to go down that horrific path. Fyi, statements CAIR as made against the “islamists”
Posted by: aaron at January 23, 2006 12:35 AM (vR0eu)
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for a HUGE organization like CAIR, you cannot condemn the whole organization for one or two bad apples. I know we are all more responsible than that. and the proof is in the pudding. you need to stop throwing out your venomous rhetoric and get off your Daniel Pipes bandwagon dance. If you truly care for your country, you will embrace Muslims because they are here to stay. I swear the bigotry in this country at this point and time is eerily similar to that during the civil rights struggles of the African Americans and Japanese and we all know no one wants to go down that horrific path. Fyi, statements CAIR as made against the “islamists”
http://www.cair.com/html/911statements.html
Posted by: aaron at January 23, 2006 12:36 AM (vR0eu)
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Again, you guys are missing the bigger picture. If you think CAIR is a terrorist organization, I seriously have to laugh at that.
Should the KKK members all be deported to .....wherever they came from?
KKK Hide their faces, CAIR is very open and accessible. How many have talked to Muslims before? Have any of you aired your concerns.
You are missing the bigger picture and making this poor girl your scapegoat. Would you have felt better had they done nothing?
Thank God I am not a Bushite.
Posted by: Samantha at January 23, 2006 12:37 AM (RbqXF)
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Samantha, et al,
Then tell me why there is growing opposition to CAIR among Muslims here in the good ol' USA? CAIR isn't doing them any favors and they are slowly awakening to that realization.
Go here www.freemuslims.org
If you want to know how they feel about CAIR and their lack of support for ending Islamofascism then read this letter
You don't know what you're talking about. Yes, some of us HAVE "aired our concerns". And the KKK hasn't "hidden their faces" for decades. And how is your point about their deportation relevant? How has anyone made this girl a "scapegoat"?
You're flailing here.
Posted by: Oyster at January 23, 2006 06:54 AM (YudAC)
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Saying Muslims are not a race is crazy Jesusland Joe. That's like saying the Holocaust never happened. Muslims are a race. Therefore you are a racist.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 23, 2006 08:33 AM (5E0ex)
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Muslim is not a race. If a blond-haired, blue-eyed man is a Muslim then what race is he?
Posted by: Oyster at January 23, 2006 08:43 AM (osKlJ)
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George, you need to do some research. Muslims are not a race, they cover the entire spectrum of races, from Causcasians to Africans to Asians. And saying Muslims are not a race is like saying the Holocaust never happened? George, please get a grip on yourself. I know you're a kid, but surely you are more intelligent than this.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 08:43 AM (rUyw4)
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Now back to CAIR. Samantha and other supporters of CAIR should know that CAIR is nothing more than a front group for the Islamists.
Why do you make the assumption that if I am against CAIR I am against Muslims? CAIR does not represent the Muslims I know. All, and I mean all, of them are mistrustful of CAIR and see it for what it is. So don't say I am anti-Muslim just because I criticize CAIR. Muslims and CAIR are not interchangeble, no matter what you say. CAIR is a virus that Muslims should avoid at all costs.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 08:51 AM (rUyw4)
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Now, have at me, as we are logging a well today. See you whenever.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 08:57 AM (rUyw4)
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All right I made a mistake. Sorry.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 23, 2006 12:49 PM (5E0ex)
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Okay, Muslim is not a race and you are not a racist (ofcourse), you are a bigot?
What do you call someone who hates all people of a certain religion? ( I am not saying you do)
Can you please define Islamist for me?
Posted by: samantha at January 23, 2006 02:12 PM (xfdnu)
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About CAIR, someone already said, OKAY they may HAVE their faults (according to you), but what they are doing now is GOOD.
That is how you are making the girl a scapegoat, instead of being encouraged and hoping it turns out for the best, you all just decide to focus on the negative aspect of it.
Grow up?
Posted by: Samantha at January 23, 2006 02:15 PM (xfdnu)
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An Islamist is a Muslim who believes his or her religion is superior to any other, who believes other people(and religions) should live under A DIFFERENT SET OF LAWS
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 04:11 PM (rUyw4)
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cont.
than they do(sharia), believe in violent jihad, believe that someone who leaves its religion to join another should be killed, believe in mutalation for certain crimes, believe in the death penalty for certain deviates, and believe that actions are not criminal when committed against apostates, ie rape, murder, robbery, etc.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 04:23 PM (rUyw4)
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hmmm...thats an interesting definition of islamist you gave there...according to princeton's dictionary...and islamist is a scholar who knowledgeable in Islamic studie or an orthodox Muslim... http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
my point is, these terms are quickly becoming fashionable by neocons, and other groups just for the "shock" theory. and dont you think if CAIR supported all that you say it does, our government, with all its resources, and surveillance, and NSA, and all the technology in the world couldnt shut them down? come on, we all know that if CAIR was not a transparent organization and had shady people in it or shady agendas, the DOJ would have had it shut down LONG time ago...and if you are going to now blame the gov't because for some reason you think you (a beer belly blogger) knows more than them, i think you're seriously delusional...
Posted by: aaron at January 23, 2006 04:44 PM (vR0eu)
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hmmm...thats an interesting definition of islamist you gave there...according to princeton's dictionary...and islamist is a scholar who knowledgeable in Islamic studie or an orthodox Muslim... http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
my point is, these terms are quickly becoming fashionable by neocons, and other groups just for the "shock" theory. and dont you think if CAIR supported all that you say it does, our government, with all its resources, and surveillance, and NSA, and all the technology in the world couldnt shut them down? come on, we all know that if CAIR was not a transparent organization and had shady people in it or shady agendas, the DOJ would have had it shut down LONG time ago...and if you are going to now blame the gov't because for some reason you think you (a beer belly blogger) knows more than them, i think you're seriously delusional...
Posted by: aaron at January 23, 2006 04:47 PM (vR0eu)
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Aaron, funny ... your "fashionable" use of the the word neocon.
Posted by: Oyster at January 23, 2006 05:46 PM (YudAC)
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Okay, now that I've read the rest of your drivel. You can't indict an organization or a corporation. This is a country based on individual rights and people are held responsible individually for their actions. Five members of CAIR have been indicted for aiding and abetting terrorism. Contrary to what your little pea brain can process, we are still a free country and while they may wiretap the phones at CAIR, revoke their non-profit status or any other number of things they can't shut them down anymore than they could shut down the Klan or the jiffy mart down the street.
So take your twaddle elsewhere.
Posted by: Oyster at January 23, 2006 06:17 PM (YudAC)
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Your shortsightedness with your arguments are quite amusing. Equating CAIR to the Klan is not only idiotic, but not even similar at all. If you know anything at all about our jurisprudential system, we require organization ESPECIALL non profit one to abide by standards that are much higher than a corporation. Transparency is of vital importance when setting up a non profit and last I heard, CAIR is as abiding by all government standards as anyone. And let me just shoot down this notion that CAIR is some arab-filled foreigner controlled organization. A LOT of CAIRÂ’s employees including the directory of Government Affairs and its Press Security are Caucasian American Muslims. Most of the board across the country is full of African American Muslims and White Muslims. Get your facts right pleaseÂ….
Posted by: aaron at January 23, 2006 06:37 PM (vR0eu)
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"jurisprudential"
Aaron, you're posing as an American. You are most likely a radical Muslim posing as a moderate, just like the organization you are a mouthpiece for. You are probably a foreign student, but you had better watch out, you can and should be deported.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 07:56 PM (rUyw4)
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i used a word that you dont know and you call me a foreigner, lol. I'm as American as Apple Pie and frankly you're a moron which you keep proving time and time again. Shall i call you a jackass? is that American enough for you? Unlike you, I've actually studied our laws, and the very fabric of our nation, the Constitution. You do know what that is right? Do you know what the Commerce Clause is? Do you know the significance of Justice Marshall on the Supreme Court? Are you familiar with any of his decisions? What about Justice Leanard Hand? Do you even know who that is? Can you please tell me where we got most of our Civil Procedural Law in this country? What is the origins? Can you please explain the significance of the Common Instrumentalities Approach first adopted by the Southern Railway Case of 1911?....Ignorance should be a crime my friend, and you should be arrested!
Posted by: aaron at January 23, 2006 08:26 PM (vR0eu)
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Did I take Constitutional Law? No. I know what the Commerce Clause is and I know who Justice Marshall is? I've read the Constitution many times.
Now let me ask you a few questions? Do you know what structures in the SE United States are the most likely to contain oil and gas deposits? What is the Smackover Lime? The Fayetteville Shale? What is a log? What do you use when you frac a structure? What is perosity and what is permeability and what is the difference between the two?
You're not nearly as smart as you think, are you Aaron? But then who could be? You are a waste of good oxygen! And you wouldn't have the balls to say what you said to my face, you little shit!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 09:05 PM (rUyw4)
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KAZI: Muslim are a race. The porkind race. And I am a racist. Muslims are inferior pigs who cannot be trusted.
TALKINSTRAIGHT: Get off the heros in the KKK. They said the muslim were assholes years before the rest realized it was true.
AARON: CAIR is a muslim organization and as such is an enemy of any nation not controlled by Islam. You are a fool. Assuming others are not educated in all your BS is moronic on your part. Knowledgeable people do not need to quote and test others with information anyone can obtain. A stupid response on your part.
If you are pro muslim just be a man and say it. Be a man and say what you are.
We can only think that you have been buggered by a raghead and liked it. If so, say so. We will understand.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 25, 2006 08:06 PM (YjVDY)
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I'm pro Muslim. there i said it. I am pro Muhammad Ali. I am pro Malcom X. I am pro Michael Wolfe. I am pro the truth and I am pro any person with a conscience be it Muslim or otherwise. Grow up. Listen to your rhetoric, how far will you get in life, you better get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness my friend.
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