October 06, 2005
Bush Hater Redefines Hypocrisy
A woman wasn’t allowed to board a Southwest Airlines flight in Reno, Nevada because of an anti-Bush t-shirt she was wearing that displayed pictures of the President and Vice-President of the United States with a caption that had similarities to the movie title “Meet the Fockers”. It’s airline policy not to let passengers on-board with offensive clothing and Southwest officials said that other passengers complained about the t-shirt. What did Lorrie Heasley the wearer of the t-shirt say, “I didn't feel that I should have to change my shirt, because we live in the United States, and it's freedom of speech and it was based on the movie 'The Fockers,' and I didn't think it should have offended anyone.”
But it did offend people and she was unwilling to change the shirt so that she wouldnÂ’t offend people and so that Lorrie Heasley could board the flight. Which I find absolutely hilarious because if I were wearing the exact same shirt but instead it pictured Senators Kennedy, Schumer, and Kerry IÂ’m sure she would have been offended and would have demanded I not board the plane.
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Of course the ACLU is in on a lawsuit Lorrie Heasley is filing because it is supposedly protected under free speech. However, private property is private property; I canÂ’t go barefoot into restaurants so why should this lady be allowed to have a t-shirt with the F-bomb depicted on it? I canÂ’t pack a firearm in my luggage if the pilot of the aircraft IÂ’m traveling on doesnÂ’t want a firearm in his or her cargo bay. The pilot could have just as easily asked her to change her shirt if he didnÂ’t want it on-board. Why? Because if the shirt might cause a confrontation then it certainly doesnÂ’t need to be worn on an aircraft.
The hypocrisy of those that hate the President and his administration has reached new levels today. If one atheist is offended then the ACLU is there for them; if one rabid liberal offends other people then the ACLU is there for them as well.
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The ACLU offends me. The ACLU has offended me for 55 years!
No ACLU supporters (Babs, Larry King, Rathergate, et. al) should be allowed anywhere near my home.
I only wish!
Rod in Cerritos
Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 06, 2005 01:16 PM (tplWd)
Posted by: IO ERROR at October 06, 2005 01:20 PM (vhWf1)
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Posted by: osamabinhiding at October 06, 2005 02:02 PM (Ttija)
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"Meet the Fockers" was offensive. It had Babs in it.
Posted by: Razorgirl at October 06, 2005 02:09 PM (H+tJ8)
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It was the word FUCK on the shirt that was offensive.
Calling anyone a FUCKER on a T-shirt will get you put off a plane.
Hell, read October's Playboy. There is a letter in it from a reader who was told to put his copy of Playboy away by a stewardess. The passenger said he could read whatever he wants. The stewardess got really angry with the passenger and told him if he didn't put it away she'd sic security on him when they landed or some such nonsense. This to me is hard to believe because for one thing Playboy is so tame.
Anyway, I doubt any average dumbass would even recognize pictures of Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi, but they would recognize the word FUCK in big letters on your T-shirt.
Airlines just try to keep some sense of decency on their planes, and I don't blame them for it, even if I don't agree with them. Can you imagine someone even walking down the street 40 years ago with the word FUCK on their shirt for everyone to read? They'd be arrested for indecency or some such nonsense.
Posted by: Jason at October 06, 2005 02:10 PM (QlIxf)
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Oh, and shouldn't I be offended that you call Arabs and other Middle Eastern types JAWAS? Sand people?
That's not offensive?
Posted by: Jason at October 06, 2005 02:11 PM (QlIxf)
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Sorry, I just had to let that one out. I still can't figure it out...do right-wing Christians hate Atheists, Muslims, the ACLU, Darwin or...sorry, the list is too long. If the FCC was actually fair, they'd fine Bush for every time he says "9/11" in a speech on TV while he's trying to defend his pathetic presidency. In Anne Coulter's latest column, Coulter says Miers is so unqualified for a spot on the Supreme Court that Bush may as well have appointed his chauffeur as the next head of NASA. Coulter says that Bush "could nominate his Scottish terrier Barney, and some conservatives would rush to defend him, claiming to be in possession of secret information convincing them that the pooch is a true conservative and listing Barney's many virtues -- loyalty, courage, never jumps on the furniture." Does anyone really believe this guy is a good leader anymore? I mean, how many times do you have to watch someone fuck up to wake up?
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at October 06, 2005 02:12 PM (Ttija)
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Hey Rod! I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU and I live right down the street from you! And guess what! I'm even infiltrating your family.
Posted by: Ed at October 06, 2005 02:13 PM (yfKhZ)
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I'm so glad my name isn't "Rod"...That's almost as bad as "Dick"! Honey, let's name our little one after my little one. Maybe just calling yourself "Cock" would be a little more direct.
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at October 06, 2005 02:17 PM (Ttija)
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I am a libreal who agrees that offensive words should not be allowed on the plane. It is not healthy. However, if she had left the word "Fockers" I am ok with it. If the title cleared the Motion Picture Association at a PG-13 level then it is good enough for the plane. I happen to agree that Bush is a fucker but children could have read that shirt. The only children who should get to see such a shirt are Bush's daughers who are fuckers themselves. You republicans are really tearing this country apart. It is because of you that America is losing its superpower status. YOU ARE THE FOCKERS!
Posted by: Robin Baneth at October 06, 2005 02:49 PM (m2HRb)
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Jason, when you own an airline and you have someone on your plane calling middle-easterners "jawas" you will have every right to kick them off your plane. That's the beauty of being in private business.
I can't imagine any parent thinking it's okay to display the word F*CK on anything that hits the public's eyes. Think about the MPAA ratings for movies. There are certain things acceptable at the PG rating, PG-13, R, NC-17, X levels. No child should have to be subjected to such language in a venue it not expected socially to be in.
P.s. - I wasn't aware that Jason was a popular Arabic name. So, unless you are a middle-eastern yourself, I'd personally think you have no right to be offended anyway.
Posted by: RomeoDelta at October 06, 2005 02:52 PM (Srmrz)
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Thay have tried to make high school stedents remove their NRA T-Shirts becuase the schools board of idiots claimed it glorifies violence they have tried to force a high school stedent ELIOT CHAMBERS to reove his streight pride T-Shirt becuase it offends gays and lesbians and some of these airlines have confiscated the tiny little guns found on the little action figures. They are right ITS HARD TO FLY LIKE A EAGLE WHEN YOUR WORKING FOR TURKEYS and the turkeys work for the goverment
Posted by: sandpiper at October 06, 2005 03:00 PM (I9Upt)
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I like Southwest Airlines and I am glad the stewardess did the right thing. It would be so easy to just let the hate monger get away with it, but intolerance and hate need to be confronted whenever we can. So many leftists can't make reasoned arguements so they spew hate. Hey Osama, Christians don't hate, kind of by definition, and not all of them are right wing. Stop being so small minded, and mean, please. I will publicly acknowledge the Presidents failings when Kennedy takes back all of the Michael Moore lies he inserted into the Senate record to benifit the terrorists.
Posted by: tyree at October 06, 2005 03:03 PM (KzhSy)
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i could care less about the pictures. The word is indecent for public display.
Posted by: caltechgirl at October 06, 2005 03:10 PM (WfvM0)
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Osamabeenvotin',
When the Confederate flag was ordered removed from monuments and workplaces, and people were fired from their jobs for displaying Confederate flag stickers on their personal lunch boxes, did you object? That's what I thought. You're just another Leftist engaged in bullshit hypocrisy!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 03:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Time to move to Canada where freedom acutally means freedom.
Posted by: WOW at October 06, 2005 04:37 PM (uFFlq)
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This has got to be one of the dumbest debates I've stumbled across online, on multiple levels. For starters, apparently right-wing zealots think left-wing zealots are hypocrites, and vice versa, when the truth is you're much more alike than you care to admit even if you somehow managed to realize it with your pea-sized brains.
Secondly, I love all the concern about the word "fuck", or any curse word for that matter. Foul language for its own sake is mildly bad because it precludes more accurate and meaningful words from being used, yes. That's obvious, but if you're a parent and think your school-age child doesn't know the word "fuck", you're an idiot or your child is or both. You have to educate your child about the world, not protect them from being exposed to it; realize that now and save yourself some headache. If the word bothers you personally, I'm sorry about your indoctrination but it's just a word man, get over it.
Finally, this woman was silly to wear the shirt un-covered on a commercial flight and a real idiot not to turn it inside out when asked given that it had an expletive on it and given the society we live in. However, the passengers and the flight crew are also total morons for not just letting it slide. I put the stupidity ratio at about 50-50 here.
Hey tyree:
Osama didn't say all Christians were right-wing, he was just addressing the right-wing ones in particular, from my reading. Also, I'll let you in on a little secret: Some christians DO hate (and so do some "liberals"). Ever see the meta-protest guys with their little signs "God hates fags". No? Really? Look here:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/
Pat Robertson recently called for the assasination of Hugo Chavez. Last time I checked he was christian....did he do that out of brotherly love then? I could go on but I won't....
So let me see if I have your position straight tyree....this woman was a hate monger for wearing a shirt that contained a satirical political statement deriding the current administration, and Ted Kennedy is secretly helping terrorists by asking pointed questions in the Senate? Also to clarify: These statements of yours would be an example of not spewing hate, and making reasoned arguments?
Hey jesusland joe:
I guess I would be a leftist from your perspective, though I wouldn't define myself that way. Guess what? I grew up in N.C. and had a confederate flag in my dorm window at UNC-Chapel Hill for a month when I was in school there. I don't care one whit about the flag, I just did it to prove a point. After the first 2 weeks I put a U.S. flag up right beside it, then took them both down after 2 more weeks(this spawned some interesting conversations for sure). If you want to fly a confederate flag on your lawn or put it on your lunch box, go right ahead. You can also put the 10 commandments on your doorstep, doesn't bother me. Just don't try to put them in my local courthouse....that would be like me demanding that a banner with "Darwin Rules!" be raised in it.
Posted by: U.S. o' CA Joe at October 06, 2005 05:02 PM (Qf3WJ)
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Hahaha...man, you guys are too easy to piss off.
Tyree: "So many leftists can't make reasoned arguments so they spew hate"
--So does the right, so what is your point? By the way, last time I checked, "intolerance" leads to censorship. If you don't remember, I neither supported or condemned the person who got kicked off the flight. If it's a private business, they can refuse anyone in my book. It's also quite common for right-wingers to be Christian, so don't call me small minded for saying so...especially when I've seen incredible intolerance and violence spring from religions in my lifetime and all throughout recorded history. I mean, really...wasn't Jesus the biggest hippie in the world? What turned Christians so pro-war?
JJ: Don't underscore your lack of intelligence through assuming I supported any kind of Confederate flag persecution. Then you're a double fuckwit for labeling me so conveniently as a leftist, blah blah blah. I'm not left or right, and I ain't another Nader. I'd love for you to come up with even one solid example of me being a leftist or a hypocrite. "That's what I thought"...pblththt. The only bullshit is that you're farting and pointing the finger at me, stink-o. There is absolutely nothing wrong with proudly displaying the Confederate flag. Now if you were saying the same about the Nazi flag, I might have a bone to pick with you.
Posted by: osamabeensellin'tinfoil at October 06, 2005 05:04 PM (Ttija)
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Ca joe
The Left never defines itself as Left. That's the problem. You are too stupid to know what you are. Actually, you're nothing but a nihilist who thinks he is reasonable. All nihilists do. Now, go over to Kos or whatever swamp you came out of and let us men do the talking.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 06:08 PM (rUyw4)
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Osama been wearing tinfoil,
You're just an idiot. Go sell your shit over at DU. I know you would be happy with the inmates at that asylum, or perhaps, Indymedia would be more to your liking. Your name would sure fit on some of their forums, that's for sure. Have a nice day!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 06:11 PM (rUyw4)
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At least she has the courage of her convictions. She rented a car and drove the rest of the way. I say kudos to her for that!
Posted by: slickdpdx at October 06, 2005 06:24 PM (MjGRu)
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Hey jesusland joe:
So lemme see...the problem is with people who refuse to become a little herd of lemmings who all think the same thing? I generally think it's the opposite. I like people just fine one-on-one, it's when they start clotting into little groups (left, right, sideways, whatever) that my misanthropic side manifests. Take you, for instance. Probably perfectly reasonable in the real world when you're not blog-bashing someone. You apparently know what nihilism means, so you're probably a pretty smart guy. I bet we would get along just fine, I get along with just about anyone, one-on-one. However, throw you in with all the other jesuslanders (you said it, not me), and voila, you call someone stupid and unreasonable for supporting your right to do whatever you want with a confederate flag. I have a lot of friends in jesusland btw. Some of them are even Republican (gasp!). I'd rather convince them that I'm right (and that both the Dems and GOP are wrong, most of the time) than call them all stupid, but that's just me....besides, I'm not going to pick on the people on the right side of the fence. MOST people are stupid, regardless of the group they clot into. I dare you to disagree with that one.
Since you brought it up, the people who don't know who they are...they're the ones so eagerly describing themselves as left, right, democrat, republican, baptist, muslim, whatever. When you're unable to stand on the strength of your own intelligence and free will, you abidcate your moral authority to the group. To do so is to be a sheep; I am not a sheep, I am a man. I am the ultimate moral authority. Aren't you?
Oh, and I believe in plenty of things. Stop watching the Big Lebowski so much and calm down, smoke some pot, shoot some guns, whatever floats your boat and reduces your blood pressure.
Since you seem to like me so much, maybe I'll hang around here for a while....
Posted by: U.S. o' CA Joe at October 06, 2005 06:44 PM (Qf3WJ)
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Man, what is this? Troll Trash Thursday? Don't you love how they leave their cowardly verbal dumps on your lawn? Seriously, you may need to spray.
Hey Ca Joe - Nice holier-than-thou attitude. Too bad you make no sense. No one cares what flag you displayed in your window. What does that have to do with anything? Southwest doesn't want people displaying profanity on their shirts. Why? Hmmmm, let's see? Could it be perhaps that they are a business and they need to make money? If one person wears the F word and offends ten people, that's ten people that might not come back versus the ticking off one idiot. A DUH!
Osama - much like your namesake, you are a hiding coward. And I guess you never passed social studies as a kid or you would understand the historical significance of the ten commandments as they pertain to the law.
Posted by: Maureen at October 06, 2005 06:44 PM (ny5O/)
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Well, now, CA. Joe, you got me, cause I do like to shoot when I'm not argueing with, well, your misanthopic side. And I would be miscast by you indeed if I were to argue that most people aren't stupid, now wouldn't I?
And I am not the ultimate moral authority, nor are you, irregardless of your claim. That particular question I won't delve into at this time, because frankly, I don't feel like a metaphysical discussion.
And I know this might be difficult for you, but I am icy calm, I always am, so I need no calming influences. That I might not appear that way...well, sometimes you need to show emotion to get your point across on political blogs. They are much more fun if you can get into a good arguement. Never anything personal to me, just fun. Hope this tells you everything you care to know, and really, I don't think you would like me at all.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 07:03 PM (rUyw4)
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Ca Joe: I couldn't have said it better, but only because Moron...er...Maureen thinks I didn't do that well in school. The question is, did that "whiff of elitism" or "whiff of sexism"? Only Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie knows the answer, I'm sure.
Jesusfreak Joe: To speak on your level, you're a total pussy. You call that crap a comeback? Ca Joe whupped your ass up and down and you only supported his point by not having anything real to say back.
MOooOOoreen: What part about me confronting idiots like you seem so cowardly? Do you think I'd like to hang in some blog where everyone just sits around patting each other on the back about how they all agree, amen? Let's see you haul your ass over to a blog where people actually believe in evolution and thump some bibles to see what happens. Anyway, the whole ten commandments remark you made was pretty random, considering my previous posts make no mention of it. May I suggest then that you read up on the fucking (pardon my freedom) Constitution sometime about the separation of church and state.
Posted by: Osamabinthere at October 06, 2005 07:13 PM (Ttija)
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Maureen, maybe you should go back and read what I posted...and what other people posted. I'm not sure you did. The bit about the flag was in response to jesusland joe, has nothing to do with the story but plenty to do with free speech--jj was the one who brought it up, so go bile-blog him about it if you're bothered. I guess he's part of your clique though so you won't.
I also said: "...this woman was silly to wear the shirt un-covered on a commercial flight and a real idiot not to turn it inside out when asked given that it had an expletive on it and given the society we live in...". So yeah, I don't really blame Southwest for what they did, though I still think the whole incident is pretty silly on both sides. Kids in a sandbox. Not so sure they would have kicked her off if her shirt said "shit happens" and they were in New York (not Reno), but that's another discussion....
Oh, and I'm not holier-than-thou, I'm exactly as holy as you are. That's the point. If you aren't the ultimate moral authority, then you abidicated it to someone else. I have no special privilege in that regard. I think you didn't read all the comments here or something, else things would make more sense for you.
Boy I'm getting really popular here; now I'll stick around for sure.
Posted by: U.S. o' CA Joe at October 06, 2005 07:27 PM (9FjUv)
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Osama: welcome back been a while. Havin fun I see.
Posted by: Howie at October 06, 2005 07:31 PM (D3+20)
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Osama with the tin foil hat,
Ca. Joe and I both agreed that most people were stupid, and you proved our point. And since you claim to be a Constitutional expert, please show me where it says anything about the separation of church and state in the Constitution.
And what in your vapid mind did Ca Joe say that would give you the impression that he "whupped my ass up and down". Actually, I believe you are one of those people who can't think of anything intelligent to say, so you try to piggyback on the remarks of others. You've certainly proved me to be right on this thread, as you haven't said one intelligent thing.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 07:34 PM (rUyw4)
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Hey JJ, okay I'm glad you're not totally serious with *all* the comments, 'cause you would probably be headed for a stroke if so. Hey, I agree that neither you nor I is the ultimate moral authority....we both are. We all are.
You like to shoot guns, argue, and have a profound distaste for stupid people. I think I would like you fine actually.
Anyways, I doubt I'll be back here again so yous guys think deep independent thoughts okay?
Posted by: U.S. o' CA Joe at October 06, 2005 07:39 PM (9FjUv)
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Welcome back anytime, Ca. Joe.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 07:45 PM (rUyw4)
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Hi Howie...yeah, it's been a while. Been busy as hell with work. How have you been? How have things been in here? Did any regulars get effected by the hurricanes?
JJ: The US Supreme Court has interpreted the First Amendment as if it requires this "wall of separation" between church and state. It not only prohibits any government from adopting a particular denomination or religion as official, but requires government to avoid excessive involvement in religion. I'm sure McBush would love to change that with his recent nominees though...
As far as everything else you said, yes, he did whup your ass. I had things to say, so did he...and you slagged us for having a different opinion, which if you read what we wrote...wasn't all that different from what you think. Joe nor I objected to that lady being ejected from the flight and neither of us thought the Confederate flag being shown or displayed proudly was a big deal either. So are you after me because I think we have a chimpanzee as president? Because I'm not a Christian? Or...maybe because I called you a pussy? Hahaha... Lighten up, man. I know you're having a tough time because all your heros are getting indicted. So much for restoring honor and integrity, eh?
Posted by: osamabinthere at October 06, 2005 08:08 PM (Ttija)
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Chris,
You are 100% right about the ACLU!
Posted by: David at October 06, 2005 08:22 PM (rysK+)
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Osama with the tin foil brain,
What heros of mine have been indicted? And I did not ask you about a court interpretation. Your exact words were, and I quote, "may I suggest that you read up on the fucking(pardon my freedom) Constitution sometime about the separation of church and state", unquote.
A court interpretation can change depending on who is on the Supreme Court, and isn't it amazing that the makeup of the Court is in the news as we speak. Is it possible that a revised decision could change many of the things that have been taken for granted by some over the past few years? Abortion? Separation of Church and State? Loss of political speech? Racial Quotos?
I'm sure this is rather a nightmarish scenario for you, and I would wake you up if I could, but ignorance is bliss, as they say, and you are the most blissful of all.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 08:27 PM (rUyw4)
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As a private company Southwest has all rights to enforce policies on their flights as they see fit within reason. It's not about politics, if someone had a funny shirt saying 'Osama Bin lovin Gayp0rn' the same rules would apply.
Now 'Fuck' may seem like a trivial word but they drew the line there and that's it! If you don't like that policy..
then FUCKIT don't fly.
..or bring a parachute and be prepared to bail out before they catch you!
Posted by: D.B Cooper at October 06, 2005 08:49 PM (7ZsmI)
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I'm constantly amazed at how stupid you conservatives are. You'll defend anything Bush does and tear anyone who opposes him apart. You claim you're all about freedom and then support an airline that clearly opposes freedom of expression.
Posted by: Lorrie Heasley at October 06, 2005 09:06 PM (/BnhZ)
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D.B. - You know damn well that they wouldn't have kicked her off for wearing an anti-Osama shirt. (They probably would have given her a free drink.) This was most likely the decision of some uptight bushy who listens to way too much O'Reilly or Limbaugh.
Posted by: Lorrie Heasley at October 06, 2005 09:13 PM (/BnhZ)
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And where would you draw the line, Ms. Heasley? If someone tried to board the plane with a shirt that said, "Jesse Jackson is a nigger whore", would you allow it? I wouldn't allow that and I wouldn't allow "fuck", either, if I owned or managed the particular airline in question.
My question to you, Ms. Heasley, is this. You own the airline, and I am asking you to tell me if anything goes, or do we as a society draw the line somewhere? Anywhere? Just your thoughts on the matter, because I am quite curious.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 09:29 PM (rUyw4)
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Joe, isnÂ’t it amazing what the average lib thinks is in the Constitution? That is what the fight is about libs, what is NOT in the document.
Good for you Southwest. There are standards of behavior. The great majority of your customers would agree with you're decision. I as a potential customer do not want my children or other peopleÂ’s children exposed to some mindless flake with no character imposing her non-existent standards on the world. There are places for her..Bars, parties at the crack house, fraternities at Washington State etc.
Nor do I want my son sitting next to some serial masturbater reading playboy or penthouse on a flight. Let him wait until he gets to the hotel before he starts his self-abuse. Remember lefties, keep it behind closed doors.
Continue to kick their disrespectful asses off the flight Southwest. I don't really like the whole non-seat, musical chair thing about your airline, but I like you more today than I did yesterday.
Posted by: Brad at October 06, 2005 09:47 PM (6mUkl)
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Oh phuckit
Posted by: Howie at October 06, 2005 09:53 PM (FmBIv)
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Brad,
How is cross country practice going for your son, and are the finals this weekend? Good luck whenever, and run like the wind!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 09:55 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ: "What heros of mine have been indicted?" More like, who hasn't? Have you kept up on recent Republican scandals? Makes Bubba's blowjob seem pretty tame...
"A court interpretation can change depending on who is on the Supreme Court"
Exactly. The Supreme court has deemed what the fucking Constitution is about no? So why are you trying to be a twat and suggest I said the exact term is IN the constitution? Did I say it was WRITTEN there? No. I said to read ABOUT it...and that's a great place to start.
Brad, it's amazing how ignorant the average chickenhawk rightwingnut is. Either that, or you guys are in some sort of alternate reality or unable to read what I wrote in the first place. I never said anything was IN anything.
You know the funny thing is, both of you guys have exactly the same views as I do about this airline thing...yet you follow the village idiot down to the last drop of stolen gas. Can any of you tell me why you voted for McBush? Just one reason. Entertain me...
Posted by: osamabinthere at October 06, 2005 10:05 PM (Ttija)
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Howie...you said it. Anyway, please fill me in, man. What has been going on?
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at October 06, 2005 10:10 PM (Ttija)
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Same old shit. I must say you livened things up a bit.
Posted by: Howie at October 06, 2005 10:20 PM (D3+20)
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Well, Osama(catchy name), I have to disagree with your interpretation of your own quote. You seem to be argueing with yourself on this one, as I put your exact words in quotes.
Mr. Osama, I sincerely doubt that you have ever sat down and read the Constitution of the United States. It would behove you to do just that, and you would be amazed as to what's not in the Constitution. And separation of church and state is nowhere to be found, but was a term used by Thomas Jefferson in correspondence with another person, hardly what one would expect a decision of the Supreme Court to be based on, but hey, when you're desperate, you'll use anything.
And enlighten me, as I don't "keep up with scandals", as you say. And I beg to differ that we think anything alike, as your thought processes are reactive and not well thought out. Your choice of a name is a reflection of your personality, and well, you are a lonely man is what I'm thinking.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 10:21 PM (rUyw4)
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Osama, Joe, sigh...I am not surprisingly... ignorant. I do not fight the good fight in Iraq so I am a chickenhawk. Whatever, I still have my opinions. Hard to think we can turn on each other now and have good things come out the other end for us or the people of Iraq. I say win, I have been wrong before, but I don't feel like quitting now.
Well Osama, glad to hear you have standards like me. Why not? Is there some compelling reason to have kids read the word Fuck on the flight to grandma's house in SoCal?
My son has won the CYO Seattle CC championship 4 years in a row so it is going to ruin my day if he does not. We shall see.
Later
Brad
Posted by: Brad at October 06, 2005 10:37 PM (6mUkl)
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I've been workin and bloggin now I'm fixin to do some sleepin. You guys have fun.
good night had more but this connection sucks got knocked off.
telephone coop sucks!!!!
Posted by: Howie at October 06, 2005 10:43 PM (D3+20)
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Osama bin votin or something else,
One of the reasons I voted for Bush is that I could not vote for John Kerry, the traitor.
Are you entertained?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 10:45 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ: Hahaha...damn, I've got to sign off for tonight because regardless of how "lonely" you think I am my girlfriend is tellin' me "Get off that fucking blog and let's hang out" so I have to split. Don't worry, I am not a lonely man by any means. I promise you I will read the constitution from start to finish...I am not too proud to admit I have only read 2/3rds of it. As far as scandals: The most obvious being Rove under investigation and being brought in a 3rd time, DeLay having to step down, Frist, etc...it's all over the place. Then you've got Bush droppin' the ball left and right. I'm surprised people aren't in the streets trying to get this country back on track with real leadership...and when I say this, I have no specific political party in mind because I think they all suck donkey balls. Oh yeah, and the name I use is just a reminder that our real enemy is still laughing in a cave somewhere.
Howie...thanks for saying I'm throwing a monkey wrench in the usual crap, but I thought for sure DSM or someone would have that covered! Talk to you tomorrow!
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at October 06, 2005 10:51 PM (Ttija)
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Brad,
There is no such thing as a chickenhawk. If that was the standard, then only soldiers who have served in Iraq would be allowed to say or do anything. It is nothing more than an absurb(the Left thinks its cute) term used by the Left to beat their opponents into silence. And silent I will not be.
I ignore it, because it means nothing. I have the right to speak freely, and its quite ironic that the Left, who claim to respect free speech rights, are the first to limit meaningful speech, but will fight for the ridiculous. Much like what we have seen here tonight.
Ah, well, it is no matter, because there is nothing I like better than argueing on a blog, except high school football. And we have a game tomorrow night, so there, Osama, you will be rid of me for a couple of nights.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 10:58 PM (rUyw4)
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It is fun to see the comments here.
good luck with the game tomorrow.
Posted by: Brad at October 06, 2005 11:08 PM (6mUkl)
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Thanks, Brad, and tell your son that the best cross country and track program in the nation is at the University of Arkansas. If I'm not mistaken, UA has won 41 national championships in track and cross country. That is one of the places I attended college. My mother is from Arkansas,and really wanted me to go there, but my dad is from Texas and wanted me to go there. It was a real bitch when Arkansas and Texas were in the same conference, but now that Arkansas is in the SE Conference, I am at odds with my wife's family who are from Mississippi. I can't seem to win on this one.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 11:22 PM (rUyw4)
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but it said Fock not Fuck. duh! I need my taint licked now.
Posted by: Johnathon at October 06, 2005 11:38 PM (HQ6al)
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U.S. o'Ca Joe,
Pleased to read your comments. I've been trying to reason with some of these people, but they just don't compute. They're all hardware upstairs. Those people are what Europeans and the rest see as stereotype Americans. The US has an image problem.
You're on a reasonable level, and it's important you keep talking, don't just walk away, on a blog like this you can make a difference. Once in awhile these monkeys lose interest in their cardboard ideals and prick their hairy ears to what the humans are saying.
ps my kids teach me all the newest foul language, it's art
pps were it that god did exist and bush didn't, now that would be ok.
Posted by: Charles Darwin at October 07, 2005 03:22 AM (7GWni)
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Bush is the clearest focker, you Chimp Worshippers! Hypocrisy?
We teach young men to drop fire on Iraq and the word FUCK on airplanes is banned because it is Obscene!!
Klannie, get your head out of the drill press!!
Klannie: the motorcycles are in my head and I have to let the free birds sing!
No, Klannie, those are the fighting gerbils clawing their way out!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 07, 2005 05:43 AM (A5eqb)
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I see this one brought the liberals out enforce. Ah well, I expected it.
Just an interesting tidbit I've found: The t-shirt is produced Radio News America with a website called RadioNewsAmerica.com which is owned by Lisa Knappe in Minnesota, who is directly affiliated with Air America.
And there you have it. Air America's people who can't say one sentence without dropping the F-bomb.
Posted by: Oyster at October 07, 2005 07:15 AM (YudAC)
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Jason: Middle eastern types and Arabs are offensive.
What bothers me here is the liberal democratic ACLU types are accusing the conservatives of being what the liberals in truth are. Conservatives have been far more outside the mainstream for 50 years. A few republican presidents merely means we are winning the game at last. The social screw ups leading to trashy girls wearing T-shirts with vulcarity was caused by the liberals in the 60's, 70's and 80's. We live in a society that now says a person wearing a T-shirt saying white power is offensive and one saying black power is not. I recently ran into a young black who had a T-stirt with a picture of Malcom X raising his fist and saying "by any means neccessary". Stores that sell these are not picketed, but a store selling T-shirts saying the same thing with a Klan member on it would be picketed, dozens of reporters, bombers, Jessie Jackson, etc: Yet in truth they mean the same thing.
I honestly believe that a major problem we have with the muslim people of the world is that they do not wish their women and children be subjected to the trash America exports. Think about it. Americans pay money to see talk about their dicks. Motherfucker is the most used word on our streets. Having baby after baby and not even knowing or caring who the father his is accepted in certain groups. Marriage. Why be married? Just have little bastards everywhere. The liberal government will not care. Hell, they will even pay the bill for the next 18 yrs. Then the kid grows up, goes to prison and the taxpayers will pay the bill for the next 50 years. 67% of one group of our society is born out of wedlock. Doesn't that figure bother anyone. Does anyone realize we don't have any comedians that can make a joke without using foul language. There are no more Red Skeletons, Milton Burles, Bob Hopes, etc: Society doesn't raise them anymore.
If you lived in a society without this crap, would you wish your family to be subjected to it? Son of a bitch the second most used phase in America. Call a mexican a son of a bitch and get ready for a fight. And I don't blame them.
America offers the world so much good, so many inventions, so many culturally good things if we stopped exporting the trash we would be appreciated by the rest of the world.
THIS TRASH IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE THING. It is and was called by too much liberalism. Freedom to say anything you please anywhere you please is bullshit. That is not what the founding fathers meant. Common sense interpertation has been lost.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 07:33 AM (ywZa8)
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I noticed how people jumped over D.B Cooper's comment in which he stated that South West Airlines is a private Corporation as such they do not have to allow passengers "Freedom of Expression" or "Freedom of Speech"
Anyone who disagree's -- Why not wear the same T-Shirt to your work place Monday?
Please explain to your managers why they cannot suppress your Freedom of Speech / Expression in the work place, then post your results here. Thanks.
Posted by: dave at October 07, 2005 07:37 AM (CcXvt)
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Dave: Very good. But remember most wearing trash on their chests don't have jobs.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 07:50 AM (ywZa8)
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Just missed ya Osama and was glad to see yer Ok be safe. You might notice YBP is missing he kind of dropped out but he is Ok I'm pretty sure cause he did do a comment here a while back. Greg still banned but other than that it's still The Jawa Report.
Posted by: Howie at October 07, 2005 08:40 AM (UFNhl)
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Wow, nice rant, greyrooster!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 07, 2005 09:18 AM (rUyw4)
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Seriously: How about "Bush is a monkey"? on my t shirt. It's a bit crass, but it could be my opinion.
Posted by: Charles Darwin at October 07, 2005 10:13 AM (7GWni)
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Darwin, that would be ok.
Fuck is not OK.
Get it?
Or is your European head to full of WEEEEEEEEEED to understand the point?
Posted by: Brad at October 07, 2005 10:34 AM (6mUkl)
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Would you foreigners please say where you are from when contributing to our blog. Or are you ashamed, jealous, etc:
Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 10:55 AM (M7kiy)
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Gayrooster...I see you're still twisting any subject you can into your pro KKK racist agenda. Can anyone please tell me why they would want to be associated or agree with him? Really, what is the purpose of a blog like this? Communication and discussion of ideas...and I would hope it would also be about spreading influence as well. I've had some great conversations with a bunch of you guys in here, but I have to say I've always been turned off by Gayrooster's racist crap. It's a turn-off, and it damages the credibility of this blog as a conservative platform of influence every time you go silent or don't disagree with what he says about anyone who isn't white.
Anyway, Howie: Thanks for the update. I hope to see YBP posting. If I don't see him, tell him I said hello.
DSM...I'd have to agree that Gayrooster's head is a scary habitrail.
Darwin...Bush is totally chimpy. One of these days he's going to go ape-shit at a news conference when the transformation is complete. I tune in every time just in case. The language skills are still deteriorating, but he's still good with numbers: 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11.
Brad...standards are great. Interpretation of what is obscene can be sticky, but that woman obviously didn't care about offending anyone and that's lame. There are far more effective ways to influence people about political leaders.
JJ: "One of the reasons I voted for Bush is that I could not vote for John Kerry, the traitor." Really? Tell me why you think Kerry is a traitor? The thing is, I voted for Kerry because even though all the candidates sucked, I thought he was the most capable leader. That and he could complete his sentences without stopping halfway through all of them!
Posted by: osamabinhamburgler at October 07, 2005 11:16 AM (Ttija)
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Let me see, Osama with the tin foil hat, a person should be allowed to put "fuck" on a t-shirt but greyrooster shouldn't be allowed his freedom of speech. And you think I should be critical of him for what he said. Kind of like you are critical of people who call conservatives animals and monkeys. Did logic not come with your tin foil hat, Osama? No, it didn't, but hypocrisy, dude, you got a double dose of!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 07, 2005 11:54 AM (rUyw4)
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Ok JJ...you're right: Gayrooster should be able to wear his robes and pointy hats on the plane. Are you happy now? He can say whatever he wants...my point is that I'm surprised you'd agree with his obvious racism. I also never called you a animal of any sorts, but I am absolutely convinced Bush is a chimp. 
Posted by: osamabinhamburgler at October 07, 2005 01:01 PM (Ttija)
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It's apparently pointless trying to explain the intricacies of hypocricy to some people. Especially to people for whom mocking posters' names is 99% of all their arguments.
And if you can't leave a valid email, then YES you are a COWARD and a TROLL as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Maureen at October 07, 2005 02:51 PM (ny5O/)
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Howie: Sorry, old bean. I've taken on another teaching job in the REAL world--not Higher Ed (no offence, Rusty!)--and have had a lot less time to post. Thanks for thinking of me.
Good to see the regulars are still around (Greyroster, Osama, Brad, Rod, jj, etc.).
But where was Maureen when I was single!
I guess I'm a man without a country (only a spiritual one), because, divergent as their opinions are, I can appreciate some of what Osama AND greyrooster have to say.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at October 07, 2005 03:42 PM (q06GE)
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Ha! Mooooreen, others have tried that argument before and it's very simple: I like my privacy, and don't want spam. I keep my discussions in here, and my identity is not what is important. A coward is someone who avoids confrontation. I'm still standing right here right now point for point. Oh yeah, I reserve my mocking of people's names for people who obviously don't have any respect for anyone else's opinions but their own. For example...Young Bourbon Professional and I have had some amazing conversations about religion, abortion, you name it...and no matter how heated or intense it has ever gotten, the guy never insults me or disrespects me. In kind, I don't disrespect him either. I actually wish there was more of that in here, but if someone takes a rude swipe at me I'm going to smack them back. You can throw labels at me all you like, but you're still being bitch slapped.
YBP: NIce to see you! I actually haven't been around much because I've been working my ass off. My business has been growing like mad. By the way, you know Gayrooster's rants freak me out, but even he and I agree about some things, i.e. Harriet Miers!
Posted by: osamabinhamburgler at October 07, 2005 04:58 PM (Ttija)
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It's a Jawa reunion, bwaaaahhh, sniffle sniffle....
Ok I'm better now.
Posted by: Howie at October 07, 2005 07:05 PM (D3+20)
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Howie...I guess! Hahaha... It would only be complete if Greg makes a surprise visit. Have a good weekend, 'cause I'm outta here. Smell ya later!
Posted by: osamabinhamburgler at October 07, 2005 07:23 PM (Ttija)
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Osama: Good name for you. You don't know why people consider Kerry a traitor? Proves what an unknowledgable, weenie assed, liberal, half breed prick you are. Oh! How did I know that one. Also you are lying about your business. Your business is kissing the enemies of Americas asses. You don't have a business. You know it. I know it and know everyone knows it.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 11:17 PM (M7kiy)
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Howie: Hey, we have to include IM, Drew (great posts), Oyster, Filthy, and several others on the list of regulars, of course. No more crying, now--have a sip of wine.
Osama: Good to hear from you, too--you are certainly one of my favorite heathens!
Glad to hear the business is doing well, friend.
YBP
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at October 08, 2005 02:36 PM (N0LTf)
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Gayrooster...man, it's pretty funny for you to try and diss me for asking why Kerry is traitor without explaining why. If it involves Rove's swift boat buddies, spare me the hot air. Honestly though, all bullshit aside I want you to tell me why you think he's a traitor. At least he wasn't a Vietnam dodger like Bush and Dick. Funny, typing those two words together...haha.
YBP: Ah, yes...favorite heathen. Thanks. I won't take status as a Atheist, but as Agnostic. Much because I have never thought humans understand life or demonstrate a capacity to know or explain the universe. I almost think it's egotistical or ethnocentric for anyone to claim to have the answers! You are one of the few religious people who have ever respected my opinions, even if we have totally disagreed. It's difficult to have a discussion about these subjects without someone lashing out at the other (at least in here) and I'm glad we never have had such an issue. Tell me, what are you teaching?
Posted by: osamabinhamburgler at October 08, 2005 07:43 PM (Ttija)
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I almost forgot to say:
Gayrooster...I don't have a business, eh? Jeez, I don't know where all the CASH is coming from then! Hahaha. Are you paying my bills without me knowing? Am I missing something?
YBP: I barely ever watch TV, but if you do you've heard my work if you've seen a Adidas, Ford, BMW or HP+ commercial in the last week. Yup, I am a music composer for a living. All the more info for anyone to take pot-shots at me for not getting my hands dirty every day. Well, I'll say that I've worked for decades doing really shitty jobs, so at least I feel good doing what I love for a living now.
Posted by: osamabinhamburgler at October 08, 2005 07:54 PM (Ttija)
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so did you do the
picture books
with pictures of yer mama
taken by yer papa
a long time ago
Catchy.
Posted by: Howie at October 08, 2005 10:03 PM (D3+20)
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Osama composing music sounds like an off-key note to me. Oh, by the way, I am the guy who invented the hurricane/earthquake/volcano/global warming machine. Ok, so I lied by inventing that machine, but I did perfect it.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 08, 2005 11:53 PM (0raMr)
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Osama: I never said I respected (all) your opinions, but I respect you as a human being. I think that you are wrong about certain issues, and I'm fairly sure you feel the same way about me. But I think ideological opponents can still be civil and respectful of fellow human beings. For instance, You probably don't respect the belief that George Bush is an honorable man and good president (which is the view that I hold), but you may still respect the person holding that view, right?
I teach middle school English. I don't watch TV, but I'm sure the music you write is top notch. Composing takes true talent, which is something I admire. Congratulations on your success!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at October 09, 2005 09:51 AM (25k69)
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JJ, off key, eh? Are you going to yodel for me?
Howie...actually, I'm pretty sure that was a situation where they licensed a piece of music rather than have someone compose for it. It's crazy what they pay for that stuff...some agencies license a track for 6 months at the tune of 1-2 million dollars. That was a cool HP+ spot. It's the same agency that does Saturn, Got Milk? and Budweiser. While we're on the subject, I was working on a Adidas spot where it opened on a battlefield and now the client is having the agency re-shoot the beginning because because they thought that sort of a scene would be too much during a time of war. It's a spot about heroism, but I guess it was too much.
YBP: Of course I don't REALLY disrespect someone who views Bush in a good light. If someone acts like a jackass though, I tend to jab them a bit. You've never exhibited this behavior. I know great people who voted for him both times...even my girlfriend's parents voted for him, but they live in CA and that's like voting Green in Texas! Middle school english? I bet you print up my posts for class examples of bad grammar, spelling, etc. Hehehe...
Posted by: osamabinhamburgler at October 09, 2005 01:18 PM (Ttija)
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YBP,
Thanks for rejoining the group here at Jawa. Through your professional behavior, I have begun to see Osama in a new light. I almost like him, but that damn nick gets me every time. Oh, well, if I didn't have Osama to argue with, I wouldn't know what to do, now that Greg is gone. Before you say DSM is still here, don't remind me. That guy makes no sense whatsoever.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 09, 2005 07:32 PM (rUyw4)
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Now everybody's scratchin' and rollin' and bitin' in the dirt with each other. Animals, monkeys, confused semi-muslims, weedheaded Europeans, and half-breed weenie asses.
Greyrooster: I live in Europe (Holland), I am an American by the way. But I'm probably biased by an open mind on the one hand, and the European media on the other. I like to get pissed off sometimes and write what I think without pondering on it. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've said about young North Africans here in Holland, really, even you guys would flinch. But somehow I always end up "realizing" that seeing it that way is, though convenient and easy, not the truth. The problem is, the truth is very tiring, you know, seeing stuff from other angles, putting yourself in other peoples shoes and all that.
I wish it was simple enough to break down into wrong and right, left and right, liberal and conservative etc. But those words just don't cover even a fraction of it all.
Like Reagan said: Facts are stupid things!
Posted by: Charles Darwin at October 10, 2005 09:23 AM (7GWni)
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Darwin...Bush wouldn't be so fun to compare to a chimp if he didn't make faces like them all the time. I've seen some hilarious photos of him during speeches compared to zoo monkeys mugging in the same way. His look alone should persuade his Christian followers to believe in evolution.
Bush may be funny looking when he tries to...er...speak, but Cheney scares the fuck outta me. If he grimaced any harder his teeth would explode. I know the guy has a million health problems, so I'd feel bad if his look was a result of a stroke...but still! If I had kids I'd cover their eyes if he was on TV. Speaking of kids, I better have some quick because I heard Greyrooster is on a road trip with a pig castrator...
Posted by: osamabinhiding at October 10, 2005 01:06 PM (Ttija)
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So that's why you bin hinding, Osama. Greyrooster might make an Osama mama out of you, huh, with those hog castrators! haha!
Actually, I grew up on a farm and castration of bulls and stallions was a necessity. Frankly, I never liked to participate in castration, even though my grandpa always put me at the front of the cattle chute, so all I had to do was try to hold their heads.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 03:12 PM (rUyw4)
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Fuckin' A, JJ. (no rhyme intended) That's something crazy! I was a farm boy too, but it was all produce, so I was spared having to cut any animal's nuts off. I take it there isn't a sedative involved either? Horses have really strong necks...did you ever get a horse head-butt?
Posted by: osamabinhiding at October 10, 2005 03:48 PM (Ttija)
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Osama,
Yep, got my jaw popped just about every time I held their heads. Felt very sorry for them, but they seemed to recover quickly. I think it hurt me more than it did them. j/k, but I hated doing it just the same.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 03:58 PM (rUyw4)
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We can all talk about our civil liberties, and we should fight for them. But when the ACLU pushes agendas that indanger my or my families right to desentcey or the influence of our past in our present/future(god referances in our gov.) they need to wake up and look at the other side of sociaties coin.
Posted by: JASON at October 12, 2005 03:25 AM (P3yv+)
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