July 22, 2005
British Police Shoot Suicide Bomber
Police have shot a suicide bomber at the Stockwell Tube station in south London:
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BBC—A man has been shot at Stockwell Tube station by armed police officers.
Passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen an Asian man shot five times by “plain-clothes police officers” with a handgun. [. . .].
The Brits have taken off their gloves folksÂ…
Cross-posted at OpinionBug.com
Update (7/22/2005 6:51am):
BBC: Scotland Yard confirms the man was shot dead
Update (7/23/2005 9:02pm):
The BBC says Scotland Yard has identified the man as Jean Charles de Menezes, a Brazilian electrician:
BBC—A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was a Brazilian electrician unconnected to the incidents.
The man, who died at Stockwell Tube on Friday, has been named by police as Jean Charles de Menezes, 27. [. . .].
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we got one of the bastards, 30,000 left....
Posted by: Bunker at July 22, 2005 06:44 AM (y/P3u)
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They suspected he was a 'suicide bomber', yet there has been no mention of a bomb. Evidently, the 'frame a patsie squad' needs more time to plant the incriminating evidence.
The poor man was probably only 'guilty' of having dark skin.
Can you say,'police profiling, plus itchy trigger fingers, equals dead A-rab'. I knew you could!
Imagine that you're an innocent muslim living in England. Since 7-7 there have been hundreds of backlash hate acts directed at your people, including a man being beaten to death and a bomb scare directed at a mosque today.
You're at the tube. You see 3 men in plain clothes, one with a drawn gun running at you. What is the prudent thing to do? Run for your life!
That's what you do. You run into the tube and trip. Two of the pursuers hold you down by 'standing' on you with their knees. The third man then executes you, by pumping 5 shots into your head.
This was a coup d'etat of an innocent man, plain and simple.
If the police really thought he was a suspect, it would have served them well to take him alive. Think of the valuable information that could be tortured out of him.
On the other hand, if 7-7 and 7-21 were psyops, you want dead 'suspects'. Dead men tell no tales.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 06:52 AM (3D/yw)
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Baffling??
First time I've heard of a suicide bomber running away.
Why not blow himself up ??
Very strange.
This was a staged incident by British Intelligence.
As for the Dud bombs yesterday, anybody walked round the area with Geiger counter??
Al Qaeda ain't that slack guys!
If they weren't dirty bombs then these tow incidents were staged by Briti
Posted by: Perpetrator Unknown at July 22, 2005 07:49 AM (NECGH)
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Liberals/Conspiracists: Don't jump to conclusions (i.e., the guy was innocent) so fast.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 22, 2005 07:54 AM (x+5JB)
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wel at least it stop immigrants coming to the uk, and i vote to boycott all muslin shops.
Posted by: noname at July 22, 2005 08:25 AM (eFuj0)
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>>>"Evidently, the 'frame a patsie squad' needs more time to plant the incriminating evidence."
This is exactly how conspiracy nutjobs get where they are. The conclusion is reached beforehand and then the "evidence" is selectively filtered to support their conclusion. They are sick people.
In a city that's just been bombed twice, when the cops tell you to stop, you stop.
Posted by: Carlos at July 22, 2005 09:05 AM (8e/V4)
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One witness, Mark Whitby, told BBC news the man appeared not to be carrying anything but was wearing a thick coat that looked padded.
Whitby said a young Asian man was shot five times after being chased into a train carriage by three men.
"As the man got on the train I looked at his face. He looked from left to right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, like a cornered fox. He looked absolutely petrified," said Whitby.
"He sort of tripped but they were hotly pursuing him and couldn't have been more than two or three feet behind him at this time.
"He half-tripped, was half-pushed to the floor. The policeman nearest to me had the black automatic pistol in his left hand, he held it down to the guy and unloaded five shots into him.
"He looked like a Pakistani but he had a baseball cap on, and quite a thickish coat. It was a coat like you would wear in winter, a sort of padded jacket. It looked out of place in the weather we've been having."
Whitby said he had been about five yards away from where the incident occurred and was "totally distraught" by what he had seen.
Posted by: Dan at July 22, 2005 09:13 AM (lSkty)
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I suppose you can run away if you want, but you'd better be quick. The bobbies don't have time for shenanigans under the present circumstances.
And here I thought I was a conspiracy nutjob. I can't even begin to keep up with these folks!
I understand it was in the mid-70s and this fellow was running around in a heavy jacket. Not illegal, but certainly suspicious.
Can we expect to see big protests from London's Muslim lobby if this fellow doesn't have an al Qaeda membership card in his pocket?
Posted by: Eman at July 22, 2005 09:14 AM (/GPjX)
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oh well harrow road blocked off armed police there.
Posted by: noname at July 22, 2005 09:18 AM (eFuj0)
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What if "sassy" terrorist sympathizer Dilpazier Aslam was running a social experiment? Wouldn't that be a shame?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2005 09:47 AM (RHG+K)
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Carlos:'This is exactly how conspiracy nutjobs get where they are. The conclusion is reached beforehand and then the "evidence" is selectively filtered to support their conclusion.'
Carlos,
Thanks for the insult, I won't respond in kind, even though you are equally guilty of jumping to conclusions.
A few points though.
1)'British Police Shoot Suicide Bomber'.
This 'conclusion is reached beforehand'.
2)'when the cops tell you to stop'
They weren't wearing uniforms. If men without uniforms and brandishing guns ran towards me, I'd run for my life.
3) When 2 of the 3 'cops' were on top of the man and another had a gun pointed at his head, the man was in custody. There is no justification for shooting him.
4)Furthermore, as he was in custody and if he really was a bomber, one would want to take him alive. He would have a wealth of information that is lost otherwise.
5)As Unkown Perpetrator stated, 'First time I've heard of a suicide bomber running away'.
And on a personal note Carlos, you and others are in the habit of selecting only the weakest point of my arguments and focusing entirely on that in your rebutals. That's a cheap trick coming from an intellectual such as yourself. For once, I'd like to see you make a more methodical and thorough responsive commentary. Focusing on the one at hand, are you incabable of deflecting the entirety of my comment? If so, you lose.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 09:48 AM (3D/yw)
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'incapable' Damn it!
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 09:49 AM (3D/yw)
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Greg,
If you happen to stop at the U.K on your way back home, and happen to be confronted by the Anti-Terrorism squad, please --RUN FOR YOUR LIFE TOO!
Yet another 'innocent' lamb to the slaughter eh Greg? Just four more men setup by the Government, who are these people that carry rucksacks with bombs onto 3 subways and a bus, 2 weeks after the last attacks. I bet that was a hard sale.
It must be very easy in your hippy world greg, where every evil is perpetrated by the CIA, and Islam means 'peace'.
Posted by: dave at July 22, 2005 09:54 AM (DO6vD)
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Apparently this bloke was being followed since yesterday evening as they thought he was the bomber from the Oval and wanted to see where he led them. He left his house in a big winter coat when it was over 30 degrees...they challanged him and he ran, straight for a tube station and onto a train. If you are and innocent then you deserve to be shot for being stupid, the day after the failed attempts.
Posted by: Britkid at July 22, 2005 09:55 AM (xuF60)
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Perp Unknown If you read my post from yesterday you would know that all preliminary chemical biological and radioactive tests came back negative. We probably shoud wait to find out what really happened the fog has not lifted yet.
Murphy strikes again go Murphy. First crappy bombs and now this. I'm starting like old Murphy again.
Posted by: Howie at July 22, 2005 09:57 AM (D3+20)
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Dave,
You lose. You failed address even one of the 5 points I made in my previous post.
Hopefully, Carlos will fair better.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 10:04 AM (3D/yw)
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greg,
look at you getting all sensitive and hurt, that's adorable. Your argument was entirely speculative. It was a "what if" scenario. My response did not single out the weakest point of your comment, the whole thing was weak. You have no evidence to contradict the official Scotland Yard version. Don't be a nutjob.
It's not jumping to conclusions to accept the official version of the event at face value, unless and until evidence to the contrary is presented. None has been presented.
Posted by: Carlos at July 22, 2005 10:18 AM (8e/V4)
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greg,
read this:
"I've seen these police officers shouting, 'Get down, get down!', and I've seen this guy who appears to have a bomb belt and wires coming out."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm
Posted by: Carlos at July 22, 2005 10:22 AM (8e/V4)
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Greg:
There was a point? I just saw incoherent babbling. Did you forget to take your pills and don your protective headwear today?
Posted by: dave at July 22, 2005 10:51 AM (DO6vD)
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next !
Posted by: Jonathan at July 22, 2005 10:55 AM (ywZa8)
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Dave,
There were 5 very lucid points at Posted by greg at July 22, 2005 09:48 AM, on this string. Take a stab at them.
By the way, do you always wish death upon those who disagree with you?
Naughty, naughty boy!
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 11:01 AM (3D/yw)
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Carlos,
I read the report. It's strange that the police haven't made this point because if true, it is a very powerful point. As you probably know, witness accounts in a heated situation are notoriously unreliable. If the account is true, I admit it would provide justification for a shooting.
I had hoped you would comment on the 5 points I made at Posted by greg at July 22, 2005 09:48 AM. You know damn well that's what I was referring to. You are being evasive. Please do me the courtesy of responding to my 5 points. I hold you to a higher standard than the average commentor on this blog.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 11:16 AM (3D/yw)
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I hope the police officer is ok and he doesn't have to go through any
counselling or anything.
He should be commended for his actions in taking down this sick terrorist murderer.
Well done.
Posted by: Brian at July 22, 2005 11:21 AM (n2sxj)
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Brian,
You have already convicted this man, when he is but a suspect. Typical of those on this blog.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 11:24 AM (3D/yw)
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Greg,
nothing you post these days is lucid, that is why you were banned remember?
I wish death to terrorists, and terrorist supporters. You have yet to come to the conclusion that most people whom possess cognitive thinking abilities: There are Islamic extermist terrorists, they do wish us harm.
It is however easier for you to believe it is a Government plot, planned and executed by 'shadow' Government agents.
Time to put down the 'Area51 watch' magazine Greg, and join the real world.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 11:25 AM (DO6vD)
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greg,
1)'British Police Shoot Suicide Bomber'.
This 'conclusion is reached beforehand'.
Like I said, this is the official version and until and unless you have evidence to the contrary then you're jumping to conclusions.
2)'when the cops tell you to stop'
They weren't wearing uniforms. If men without uniforms and brandishing guns ran towards me, I'd run for my life.
This isn't a totally ridiculous point, but it's ignorant. You don't know what happenned. Yet you jump to conclusions.
3) When 2 of the 3 'cops' were on top of the man and another had a gun pointed at his head, the man was in custody. There is no justification for shooting him.
Dude, if they believe he has a bomb, with his finger on the trigger, then shooting him dead is the smartest possible thing they could have done.
4)Furthermore, as he was in custody and if he really was a bomber, one would want to take him alive. He would have a wealth of information that is lost otherwise.
What information could have been gathered from him if he had detonated his bomb???
5)As Unkown Perpetrator stated, 'First time I've heard of a suicide bomber running away'.
Because you've never heard of a suicider running away means they never run away? You're some kind of an expert?
Posted by: Carlos at July 22, 2005 11:28 AM (8e/V4)
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they shot him, the cops were undercover but they do shout out police and put on met baseball caps, and other id. they dont just run after him, they give him a chance and when all else fails they shoot.
Posted by: noname at July 22, 2005 11:30 AM (eFuj0)
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greg: "3) When 2 of the 3 'cops' were on top of the man and another had a gun pointed at his head, the man was in custody. There is no justification for shooting him."
And of course, during the course of this wild chase the cops were able to ascertain beyond doubt that his triggering device was inoperative.
The bobbies had already gone far beyond the call of duty by chasing him down. greg would have them take further risks, not only with their own lives but those of tube riders around them.
greg: ever spent any amount of time wondering if you're within range of an improvised explosive device? I have, while working for the TSA searching the bags of people the FBI had notified us about; not just folks on a watchlist mind you, but people we had been specifically warned about that morning.
An hour and a half with my guts in a knot wondering if I would even have time to perceive the flash of light. You wanted the cops to risk an explosion? Go fuck yourself.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2005 11:36 AM (RHG+K)
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"Greg,
nothing you post these days is lucid, that is why you were banned remember?
I wish death to terrorists, and terrorist supporters. You have yet to come to the conclusion that most people whom possess cognitive thinking abilities: There are Islamic extermist terrorists, they do wish us harm.
It is however easier for you to believe it is a Government plot, planned and executed by 'shadow' Government agents.
Time to put down the 'Area51 watch' magazine Greg, and join the real world.
Posted by greg at July 22, 2005 11:25 AM"
Greg, are you talking to yourself?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 22, 2005 11:40 AM (x+5JB)
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Greg,
I am actually in London here.
The police have been following this terrorist since yesterday afternoon.
They've been watching his house,listening to what he's been saying with eavesedropping equipment,watching where he goes and who he talks to.
It was really warm in London this morning,(it's summertime)anything other than a short sleeved shirt is positively uncomfortable
and this man was wearing a heavy padded jacket.
several eyewitnesses also reported seeing a large holdall of the kind
used by the terrorists,near his body.
He also refused to stop when challenged by the police and vaulted over the barrier,although I am sure you will say he is simply a fare scammer.
Posted by: Brian at July 22, 2005 12:08 PM (n2sxj)
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YBP,
No that wasn't me. I'm confused about it too.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 12:09 PM (3D/yw)
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Bluto,
Same to you.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 12:10 PM (3D/yw)
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Carlos:'1)'British Police Shoot Suicide Bomber'.
Like I said, this is the official version and until and unless you have evidence to the contrary then you're jumping to conclusions."
Carlos,
You made some good points. However, on the most fundemental point you have completely blown it.
THIS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL VERSION. Police aren't saying that they shot a suicide bomber. They are saying they shot a SUSPECTED suicide bomber. Any discussion must be based on this foundation.
As far as the wire, it could have been an IPOD. There were many witnesses and only one mentioned a wire. Had the man been armed with a bomb, the police wouldn't be calling him a SUSPECTED bomber. They would damn sure have told us by now that THE MAN HAD A BOMB because they are coming under severe pressure from the London muslim community due to their shoot to kill operation mode.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 12:22 PM (3D/yw)
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Oops! fundamental
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 12:24 PM (3D/yw)
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Dinner time. I'm heading to the Jewish Ghetto, where the best Roman cuisine is found.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 12:31 PM (3D/yw)
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That was my post Greg, apologies evidently too much coffee, I placed "greg" in name, instead of addressing it as Greg:
(my never@emailme.com) was in email address, however.
Posted by: dave at July 22, 2005 01:03 PM (DO6vD)
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Dave,
No problemo
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 04:01 PM (3D/yw)
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OMG! Greg is admonishing someone who insulted him or resoted to cheap tricks? oooh, oooh, my side hurts, I'm laughing so hard.
I know, shuck me. hahahahaha
Posted by: Oyster at July 22, 2005 04:22 PM (fl6E1)
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I love Osama bin Laden and hope he kills you all. He is my sugardaddy and I like to smoke his mansausage, because it tastes just like my butt.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 07:28 PM (0yYS2)
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Glad to see the Brits can still shoot. They seem to have given up on everything else British. Just looking at the people milling around in the background makes me sick. Is England still there? If it is, where do all the English live. Certainly, not London.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 22, 2005 07:50 PM (CBNGy)
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When are you people going to understand that Greg the traitor has an agenda. He is against America and pro muslim. He's also full of shit about everything else he says/claims.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 22, 2005 07:58 PM (CBNGy)
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It's so interesting to see everyone's response to this shooting now that it's reported that the person killed wasn't a terrorist and the limeys have apologized for the fuckup. Basically, Greg was right and all of you were completely wrong. Everyone but Greg was celebrating a scared and confused Brazilian getting killed in cold blood because some undercover cops were trigger happy. The guy didn't even have a criminal record. You're also calling Greg a traitor for telling the truth, having insight to the story and holding to American values like, oh...innocent till proven guilty? Anyone in here remember that one? Anyway, it's shocking to see how many in here condone a innocent guy getting pegged. How your minds would change if the tables were turned and you had plain clothed guys with guns yelling in a language you might not know very well while chasing you with guns in a foreign country.
Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 24, 2005 01:02 PM (perrS)
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I love Osama bin Laden and hope he kills you all. He is my sugardaddy and I like to smoke his mansausage, because it tastes just like my butt.
Posted by: greg at July 22, 2005 07:28 PM
I DIDN'T WRITE THIS SHIT. SOME FAGGOT LIKE FILTHY OR IMPROBULUS PROBABLY WROTE IT.
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