May 13, 2005
Border Patrol ordered not to arrest illegal aliens in Arizona
This is not at all a surprise to me, but it is sickening nonetheless. Washington Times has learned that agents along the Arizona border were ordered to make the minimum number of arrests possible in order to diminish the positive effects the Minutemen have had.
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U.S. Border Patrol agents have been ordered not to arrest illegal aliens along the section of the Arizona border where protesters patrolled last month because an increase in apprehensions there would prove the effectiveness of Minuteman volunteers, The Washington Times has learned.
More than a dozen agents, all of whom asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, said orders relayed by Border Patrol supervisors at the Naco, Ariz., station made it clear that arrests were "not to go up" along the 23-mile section of border that the volunteers monitored to protest illegal immigration.
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Border Patrol Chief David V. Aguilar at the agency's Washington headquarters called the accusations "outright wrong," saying that supervisors at the Naco station had not blocked agents from making arrests and that the station's 350 agents were being "supported in carrying out" their duties.[...]
But Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican, yesterday said "credible sources" within the Border Patrol also had told him of the decision by Naco supervisors to keep new arrests to a minimum, saying he was angry but not surprised.
"It's like telling a cop to stand by and watch burglars loot a store but don't arrest any of them," he said. "This is another example of decisions being made at the highest levels of the Border Patrol that are hurting morale and helping to rot the agency from within.
"I worry about our efforts in Congress to increase the number of agents," he said. "Based on these kinds of orders, we could spend the equivalent of the national debt and never have secure borders."
Mr. Tancredo, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, blamed the Bush administration for setting an immigration enforcement tone that suggests to those enforcing the law that he is not serious about secure borders.
Not serious about it? Funny, I've sort of gotten that impression myself...hmmm...
Several field agents credited the volunteers with cutting the flow of illegal aliens in the targeted Naco area, saying the number of apprehended illegals dropped from an average of 500 a day to less than 15 a day.[...]
Area residents, in a half-page ad in the Sunday edition of the Sierra Vista Herald, told the volunteers: "Thanks for doing what our government won't -- close the border to illegal aliens. It was the quietest month we've had in many years ... You made us feel safe because the border was closed."
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The head of the INS needs to be held personally
responable for this treson what is is name and picture
addresses where can be reached home and office phone
numbers HE NEEDS TO FEEL THE HEAT!
Posted by: Zebrab5 at May 13, 2005 01:30 AM (DoxEP)
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Does it surprise me? Not in the least. The Feds just want to make it look as if the Minutemen were an anomoly. Or maybe they are just trying to appease Senor Fox for arresting 8 of his citizens in an illegal border crossing.
We'll see what happens when the Minutemen do this along the Texas Border.
I don't think the guys in the cesspool of Washington, D.C. will be happy until someone sneaks a bomb across the border and explodes it in Pheonix or in Dallas.
Posted by: Joe Wiess at May 13, 2005 01:55 AM (LtbPK)
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I'm a Mexican citizen living in Mexico, and I think this is a grave mistake on the part of the American authorities. There was a boicot in Arizona yesterday by the Hispanics (mostly illegals) and the non-Hispanics, didn't do a damn thing to counter it. (Like going out and buy more at the boicoted stores, for instance). Americans are not doing their part, which I know is difficult, but the infiltration of who-knows-who in the US society is amazing. My 2 c.
Posted by: Mi at May 13, 2005 02:40 AM (s1Dcn)
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Don't worry Mi, if things continue you'll see non-Mexicans do something. White people are notorious for going on killing spree's, taking countries and enslaving minorities. I figure eventually most of the south will be pissed off and take things into their own hands. If I was an illegal in this country I'd try to keep a low profile -- flaunting innaction and egging on a people with such a vicious past is just asking for trouble.
Posted by: Digger at May 13, 2005 03:28 AM (c2i02)
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The Naco supervisors said that their impact on illegals was "negligible"? So the border crossing arrests in April of '04 was over 11,000 and in April of this year it was under 4,000 - and their presence was negligible?
Digger, forgive me if I've misenterpreted you, but are you saying it's wrong for these people to demand that our government enforce the immigration laws? I found no reports of "viciousness" in their efforts to draw attention to the problem. Tell me, how many of the minuteman volunteers were whites with a desire for enslavement, taking countries (other than their own) and hoped for an opportunity to go on a killing spree? Especially the enslavement part. Sheesh, you'd think then that they would prefer to capture the illegals and make them work for nothing rather than send them back. In fact, it's the "coyotes" carrying them over the border in hot boxes that are doing the enslaving. They're actually taking bids for their work and keeping a cut. They're trafficking humans for pete's sake. And they're not whites.
We forget who is committing the crimes here. The lack of action by our government hurts both sides.
Posted by: Oyster at May 13, 2005 07:25 AM (YudAC)
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Oyster
Your sense of white guilt is not acute enough. Please report to a liberal re-education camp as soon as possible.
Posted by: Defense Guy at May 13, 2005 08:36 AM (jPCiN)
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That's so bogus! I love those minutmen. The number of illegals here is getting outta control. Someone needs to take control and stop trying to be nice and enjoyable for everyone. Put the illegals back where they belong. Don't give them drivers licenses. Don't even let em cross the border. I think money should be invested to boost our border patrol people by about 200% - 400%.
Posted by: tyler at May 13, 2005 08:48 AM (Y9Lwb)
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Digger,
white folks and America are so evil that everybody is falling all over themselves to get here just as quick as they can.
But it's precisely your attitute that will keep Liberals in the minority, well, forever. And your "compassion" doesn't help anybody involved. The American worker suffers from uncontrolled immigration, and so does Mexico because as long as Vicente Fox and his fellow elites can let off steam north of the border they'll never have to fix Mexico's problems. So you, in your compassion, hurt the interests of just about everybody involved. And isn't that just typical of Liberalism.
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 09:00 AM (8e/V4)
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Ever notice that 50,000 mexicans can get across but somehow the 3 or 4 (that I know of) muslims or people from muslim countries seem to get caught. Fishy if you ask me. Some covert quid pro quo going on down there that the minutemen are not supposed to discover. some other realities also lead me to believe that there is more to this than meets the eye. That's my conspiracy theory for the week.
Posted by: Howie at May 13, 2005 09:03 AM (D3+20)
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"Several field agents credited the volunteers with cutting the flow of illegal aliens in the targeted Naco area, saying the number of apprehended illegals dropped from an average of 500 a day to less than 15 a day."
No shit. The Mexicans aren't stupid, they're going around this 15 mile stretch of border. I doubt the net flow of immigration is being affected.
As a Texan I can tell you without reservation that if the Minutemen set up inTexas it is going to lead to untold atrocities such as rapes, beatings and murders. No one will ever know about these as they'll be buried in the desert. The last thing we need is a bunch of angry white men who aren't trained guarding our borders.
I recently hired a crew of illegals to add a fireplace to my house. They do masonry with incredible artistry and I saved a bundle (sure, my lime green tape measure and a few other tools walked off but it was worth it). Had I hired Whitey he would have charged me twice as much and used his own crew of illegals.
I note that three of the largest state economies, California, Texas and New York have extremely high rates of immigration. Immigrants are good for this country. If we legalized them they could help take the pressure off of social security.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 09:33 AM (/+dAV)
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As a Texan I can tell you without reservation that if the Minutemen set up inTexas it is going to lead to untold atrocities such as rapes, beatings and murders.
greg,
you know it's not my way, but I just can't help myself. As a fellow Texan, you're full of shit.
That's exactly what the guilt-ridden white Liberals and Latino activistas were predicting for the Minutemen in Arizona/New Mexico, and nothing happenned. Minutemen even gave anecdotal evidence of how these Libs were purposely trying to provoke the Minutemen to violence, and still nothing happened. There's no violence around here against hispanics.
It's safe to say the naysayers are just about always wrong. What a load of crap from you people.
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 09:50 AM (8e/V4)
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Notice the difference: conservative Minutemen peacefully patrol our borders, but Liberal Minutemen run an insurgency out of Iraq shooting our troops and commiting all manner of atrocities against the Iraqi people.
Could the symbolism of how both sides use the word "minutemen" be any starker?
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 09:56 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
I don't think we have a handle on the rate that crimes are being perpetrated on illegals, after all they can hardly call the police. Any crimes committed become the secret of the desert.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 10:18 AM (/+dAV)
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greg,
But that's what is so much fun about being a naysayer-- you don't need any proof or evidence to make your accusations.
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 10:29 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
I know Texas well enough to understand the dynamics between Anglos and Hispanics. White vigilantism isn't the answer.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 10:46 AM (/+dAV)
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And as the Minutemen proved with a month's worth of legal actions in Arizona, the only illegal activity happening in the desert were illegals sneaking over the border, and ACLU "observers" getting stoned and trying to provolk fights.
Once again, liberals offer no solutions to problems, and only try to hamper those that do offer solutions.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 13, 2005 10:54 AM (Z9A4+)
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greg,
the minutemen have proven to be far more law-abiding than even our own government. Dynamics notwithstanding, the evidence is against you. The people who volunteer for such duty aren't racists looking for an excuse to kill Mexicans. I know that's what you think of all conservatives, but they aren't. They're simply people who take their patriotism to heart and want to do something constructive for their communities. I've even considered volunteering myself if possible if it happens in Texas. I don't see how uncontrolled immigration is good for our country. And it's not good for Mexico either. I'm sure those wetbacks would rather be making a living wage closer to home, but that won't happen because the corporate interests on both sides of the border benefit from the status quo.
You'll not find a more perfect illustration of Liberal shortsightedness and conservative pragmatism-- one looks good/compassionate, but is bad. The other looks selfish/bad, but is good. Conservatism is about results, Liberalism is about compassion. But it's a compassion that appeals to men's basest impulses, so it doesn't work. The difference in the ideologies couln't be more clear.
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 11:01 AM (8e/V4)
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I'll bet that if all he illegals packed up and left Texas today to return to Mexico, Texas' economy would collapse.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 11:13 AM (/+dAV)
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"But we have to control the flow and know "who" is here and "why".
As to the "why", does anyone think Mexicans come here to cause terrorism? Hell no. They're guilty of nothing but "crossing the line" so they can eke out a living. I say, let them in legally.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 11:49 AM (/+dAV)
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You know guys, greg, being liberal, and therefore, right, has a point. Why not let the little brown people do all the menial labor? After all, it's clearly all they're good for, and blacks, being too lazy, should be allowed to draw welfare and food stamps all their lives instead of being expected to work. Whites should stay in their ivory towers high above the hallowed halls of academia and not bother themselves with the dirty business of manual labor, for which they would, no doubt, expect fair compensation.
The difference between liberals and sane people on the issue of illegal immigration is that sane people would like to see the other nations of the hemisphere not be the corrupt petty dictatorships that they are, but rather free nations of free people, but liberals either don't care for liberating others, or don't think them capable of understanding the concept, pearls before swine, if you will.
I have all the best hopes and wishes for Mexicans and all other people, but their prosperity must not come at the price of our ruin. They must abide by our laws, as must those who employ them. I wonder how much greg paid those illegals he hired? I doubt it was much, probably not minimum wage, and here the liberals are so bent on raising the minimum wage. Hypocrisy, liberal is thy name.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 13, 2005 12:04 PM (0yYS2)
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I'll bet that if all he illegals packed up and left Texas today to return to Mexico, Texas' economy would collapse.
greg,
in the short run, yes. And the price of veggies would go up, but in the long run we'd see good results because we'd be able to hire locals to do the work and pay them a decent wage. We'd have to scrap NAFTA and the WTO, to be sure. The sooner the better.
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 12:07 PM (8e/V4)
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Improbulus,
my brother is a good Liberal, in favor of higher taxes and worker's rights, etc.
But he prefers to hire illegal aliens because they're cheaper rather than local contractors, and come tax season, he's always looking for tax deductions so he doesn't have to pay as much in taxes. Liberalism, hypocrisy is your name.
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 12:11 PM (8e/V4)
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"I wonder how much greg paid those illegals he hired? I doubt it was much, probably not minimum wage, and here the liberals are so bent on raising the minimum wage. Hypocrisy, liberal is thy name."-Glutamus Maximus
I paid them $3500.00 for 4 days of work for a crew of 5. That's 20 man days times 8 hours per day is 160 hours. It works out to $22 per hour less their cost for materials (I'd estimate $1000.00, so the adjusted hourly wage is $15.60. Whitey wanted twice that.
By the way, I'm a Libertarian Catholic which totally screws up your right/left paradigm.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 01:20 PM (/+dAV)
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"my brother is a good Liberal, in favor of higher taxes and worker's rights, etc."-Carlos
Oh my Lord, not worker's rights! Let them drink trickled down piss.
Oh, he's in favor of higher taxes is he? For whom? Himself? I doubt that. Could it be that your bro recognizes that after WWII corporations paid 81% and workers 19% of the taxes. Today those percentages have nearly switched. Is it by the people for the people or by multinational corporations for multinational corporations? The average corporate tax rate is 6% snd nearly half of of them pay NOTHING. I pay way more than that. Fuck it!
I'm guessing you got the good looks and your bro got the smarts.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 01:45 PM (/+dAV)
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Carl, dude--Greg thinks you're good-looking!
Posted by: youngdude at May 13, 2005 03:47 PM (x+5JB)
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Ask yourself, who benefits from the illegal immigrant workers? Corporate America, that's who, with lowered labor costs. Perhaps that's why GW and his regime are so slow on this issue, even for conservatives. GW doesnt want to bite the hands (Walmart) that feed him.
Posted by: Seany Boy at May 13, 2005 06:04 PM (+Tm72)
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"As to the "why", does anyone think Mexicans come here to cause terrorism?"
I can't believe you even said that! Check stats. How many are drug smugglers, gang members, human traffickers, etc? We're not talking just terrorism, we're talking a myriad of nefarious activities. Dude, wake up.
And Greg, you're no Libertarian, except by some weird definition made up in your own head.
Carlos,
My brother is a good Liberal too. He says we need to pay the higher taxes to cover our social programs and reduce the debt and deficit. Then he, too, cheats on his taxes. He said to me last Thanksgiving, "Oh, c'mon, everybody cheats on their taxes." To which I responded, "No, they don't. I am one of those who doesn't. The IRS frightens me too much." These people think in circles. They never come to any real conclusion on anything and routinely contradict themselves. I love my brother but he's a moron.
Posted by: Oyster at May 14, 2005 08:18 AM (YudAC)
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There's more to this story.....
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at May 14, 2005 03:54 PM (PEKrh)
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>>>"I love my brother but he's a moron."
Same here. He thinks in outdated platitudes that fly in the face of reality. And when I shatter his platitudes, his typical response to everything I say is "oh, cmon!", and that's pretty much it. He finds simple facts and realities to be simply unbelievable and not worthy of his response. And this bro's a doctor-- supposedly one of the smart kind of Libs.
But lately I've gotten the feeling from both of them that they're becoming slightly jaded of Liberalism-- that's what the social radicals and atheists have done to the Liberal movement. Yet that doesn't mean they're anywhere near converting to conservatism. They still see conservatism in terms of Leftist platitudes, like we're evil, and racist, and and just plain mean people who hate everybody who isn't a white anglo-saxon protestant.
Posted by: Carlos at May 14, 2005 05:20 PM (8e/V4)
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Greg,
I know on several stuff we agree, but this time I not there.
It could be because dealing with the INS myself has turned me against
the I.A. (illegal aliens). When my new Aunt (aunt through marriage),
came over, she had to wait about 4 months for her Fiancee visa to be
approved, and then about 6 months to get her green card with conditions. We applied for my now wife, right after Bush allowed all
the I.A. cockroaches to come out of the woodwork and apply for legit
status. Since there was so many of these, they got to go the front of
the INS line. My wife did not get her visa for 20 months. Then were not given her work permit for 18 months, and her Social Security for
6 months. Once she got that she could apply for a driver's license. All of this because "CRIMINALs" broke our laws can snuck into America.
Look at all the people who are trying to do it the right way. They
are being screwed.
Now it is true, that these people work cheaper, but maybe, if their sorry asses were not here, then legal aliens could get the jobs
for a higher wage. And now this might mean that the CEO's, CFO's,
Presidents, and Vice Presidents might not get to steal money from
companies or countries they way they have been.
If I had my way, I would put out another nation wide, come out IA
and sign up and we will make you legal residents campaign again. When
everyone signed up, I would go collect up every last one I could find,
and shipped them back to their home countries to make them Legal. I would also charge the home countries the cost of exporting their
crappy citizens, either by direct money or lowering their financial aid.
Don't get me wrong. I am not against immigrants coming to our country. But I agree with Shawn of the Dead, that we need to control
who is here and why. Also it is much safer when things are under
government control. (maybe not much but a little.) Example, in Germany, and Nevada, prostitution is legal. The girls are made to
take periodic exams to stay healthy and not spread disease, less
deaths of prostitutes happen when they are in a control environment.
If we can control the IA environment, a lot less rapes, murders and
robberies would be done.
Just my 2 cents worth. Oh and while we are talking about INS,
here is a poem I wrote. I don't know if they style actually has
a name, but it goes 1 syllable, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4, 3 ,2 1. If this is
a style of poems, please let me know what it is called.
I
and she
want to be
made into we
but INC is
incomptent
so for now
I'm still
me.
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