, it was only a little over two decades ago that the Argentine government, ostensibly in a wag-the-dog move by the military leadership, invaded the British Falkland Islands. They were unsuccessful. Nonetheless, memories are short in the political realm and Argentina is again making noise about its
the South Atlantic islands of Falkland (called Malvinas in Argentina), South Georgia, and South Sandwich.
Argentine President Nestor Kirchner said the Argentine government chose to solve the dispute through dialogue and diplomacy and by peaceful means. He also said that the British government must "show willingness to negotiate the sovereignty of the islands" because the "claim for the islands is a permanent objective and undeniable right of the Argentine people."
Just what the world needs -- another hot spot preparing to flare.
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I guess the Argentines wish for another ass kicking. They wish to take advantage of the British while they are in Iraq. What a bunch of idiots they are.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 03, 2006 09:26 AM (rUyw4)
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>>>>undeniable right of the Argentine people."
What about the undeniable right of the Falklands people? They're all English, for crissakes. I hope Argentina gets their ass kicked again.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 03, 2006 09:51 AM (8e/V4)
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How soon they forget. They surely can't be that da*n forgetful....
Posted by: Lonevoice at April 03, 2006 12:47 PM (kTR7o)
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However, on the day of the handover of Hong Kong, former British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd remarked to Argentine Foreign Minister Guido di Tella; "I know what you're thinking, but you will never see this happen in Port Stanley."
You can take that to the bank.
May God save the Queen.
Posted by: davec at April 03, 2006 01:11 PM (CcXvt)
Posted by: Flea at April 03, 2006 02:38 PM (KRJIQ)
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Do the argentinans want to have their sorry butts kicked again? whats wrong with those goucho goofs?
Posted by: sandpiper at April 03, 2006 09:50 PM (uTBPj)
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Hail Brittania, mother of us all!
God save the Queen indeed.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 03, 2006 10:53 PM (0yYS2)
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How odd. The Falklands, South Georgia, & South Sandwich are remote. Really really remote. Were not talking tropical paradise here. This is ridiculous. Unfortunatly, Blair is no Margret Thatcher.
Posted by: nuthin2seehere at April 04, 2006 04:06 AM (blNMI)
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>>>>Unfortunatly, Blair is no Margret Thatcher.
I'd say he's pretty darn close (for a Labourite).
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 04, 2006 08:55 AM (WCwrR)
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For additional information Argentina at present has in its docks 2 british ships which can not leave. One is a falkland islands fishing vessel and the other is H.M.S. Endurance
Posted by: falklandsanon at April 04, 2006 10:21 AM (vEK2y)
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The English forcibly occupied the Malvinas
until 1774 despite the Spanish protests. In
1819 an Argentine Governor was sent there. In
1831, after a dispute over whaling, the USS Lexington destroyed all Argentine installations at Puerto Soledad (Stanley) and Argentina broke diplomatic ties with the former British colony. On the 2nd January 1833, following Sir W. Parish's
advice (at the time the British Ambassador in Buenos Ayres), the English landed some families that were brought by Capt. Onslow aboard the Clio. The Argentine flag was taken down and the Union Jack raised instead in Lt. Colonel Pinedo's presence, who did not resist superior forces in both number and armament.
Argentina has protested since that very day but
the British crown gave its deaf ear to the
claim also since that day. The 1982 landing
tried to recover the islands and it was NOT an
invasion but a landing on own territory. Despicable and apparently useless as it might have been, the war served both countries well
to know who their real friends and foes are.
I have good acquaintances with people showing four and more generations in the islands and heartily respect their loyalties and what they consider their land. But it is not, although
if ever returned to Argentina, its legal owner, they should be allowed to keep their properties, language, religion and government, and whatever keeps their society together, even local laws and bylaws, EXCEPTION MADE of sovereignty. Some
English 'machos' writing in here have not had the
terrific experience that war gives. Perhaps
they should be careful with what they write.
They might be one day crying for their lives,
sweating hands trying to hold a rifle, rubber
legs trying to hold them upright, in the roar
of cannon thunder, whistling missiles, smoke,
cordite and blood smell and companions torn in pieces all around. Kindest regards. Salvador aka Argie
Posted by: Argie at April 04, 2006 12:06 PM (TPy7e)
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The English forcibly occupied the Malvinas
until 1774 despite the Spanish protests. In
1819 an Argentine Governor was sent there. In
1831, after a dispute over whaling, the USS Lexington destroyed all Argentine installations at Puerto Soledad (Stanley) and Argentina broke diplomatic ties with the former British colony. On the 2nd January 1833, following Sir W. Parish's
advice (at the time the British Ambassador in Buenos Ayres), the English landed some families that were brought by Capt. Onslow aboard the Clio. The Argentine flag was taken down and the Union Jack raised instead in Lt. Colonel Pinedo's presence, who did not resist superior forces in both number and armament.
Argentina has protested since that very day but
the British crown gave its deaf ear to the
claim also since that day. The 1982 landing
tried to recover the islands and it was NOT an
invasion but a landing on own territory. Despicable and apparently useless as it might have been, the war served both countries well
to know who their real friends and foes are.
I have good acquaintances with people showing four and more generations in the islands and heartily respect their loyalties and what they consider their land. But it is not, although
if ever returned to Argentina, its legal owner, they should be allowed to keep their properties, language, religion and government, and whatever keeps their society together, even local laws and bylaws, EXCEPTION MADE of sovereignty. Some
English 'machos' writing in here have not had the
terrific experience that war gives. Perhaps
they should be careful with what they write.
They might be one day crying for their lives,
sweating hands trying to hold a rifle, rubber
legs trying to hold them upright, in the roar
of cannon thunder, whistling missiles, smoke,
cordite and blood smell and companions torn in pieces all around. Kindest regards. Salvador aka Argie
Posted by: Argie at April 04, 2006 12:07 PM (TPy7e)
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Argentina is only holding one fishpoacher ship, the 'John Cheek' whose owners had the cheek of invading (or shall we say trespassing?) Argentinian waters for squid.
HMS Endurance came on its own to drydock in the Naval Base at Puerto Belgrano to get its ruddder fixed and to make certain reconditioning to follow international safety obligations.
Later on, not in Argentina to avoid our Gauchos from prying upon secret paraphernalia, certain ship's equipment will be upgraded. The package will include radar systems, gyrocompass, speed log, meteorological equipment, electronic chart system, GPS, navigational sounder and some internal comms.
A few weeks ago, the crew of the British ice patrol vessel, under the command of Captain Nick Lambert, paid tribute to those killed in the 1982 conflict. The event took place during the shipÂ’s visit to the port of Ushuaia. It was the first visit by the British icebreaker to Ushuaia since 1982. It is also the first time that the members of an Argentine war veteransÂ’ association stage a joint ceremony with members of the British Armed Forces.
The commanding officer of HMS Endurance laid a wreath at the foot of the war memorial with a message that read: “From HMS Endurance to the fallen in the South Atlantic”. Members of the Ushuaia Centre of Ex Combatants followed suit.
The ceremony was attended by a military formation commanded by Rear Admiral Estévez from the Argentine Navy, a delegation from the crew of HMS Endurance and members of the Tierra del Fuego Veterans’ Association. The provincial authorities and delegations of the other armed and security forces in Argentina were also present.
After the ceremony, the crew of HMS Endurance and the members of the VeteransÂ’ Association had an informal talk which continued later on board HMS Endurance when the veterans visited the ship.
Kindest regards. Salvador aka Argie
Posted by: Argie at April 04, 2006 12:32 PM (TPy7e)
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What's your point Argie? Do you really want the Royal Marines to give you another asswhipping? Because that's what you'll get. Again.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 04, 2006 04:40 PM (0yYS2)
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The "John Cheek" hasn't been charged as there is international verified proof to say it was fishing in Falklands Waters.
"HMS Endurance" can't leave after its rudder repair as there is a dock "Strike" and the majority of the crew are stuck in a hotel.
When you state a forceable takeover in 1833 it makes it sound like a major battle the fact the the british walked in and took control as "spain/argentina" had left all but minor staff. Unlike in 1982 when Argentina came in.
I can also assure you alot of the Islandsers know what war is, they were held at gun point, threated, held in capativity (goose green and pebble). movement restricted, witness death, homes destroyed.
Posted by: falklandsanon at April 05, 2006 05:33 AM (vEK2y)
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RUE BRITANIA BRITANIA RUES THE WAVES SQUAWK
Posted by: sandpiper at April 05, 2006 08:48 AM (O2c+K)
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"The 1982 landing
tried to recover the islands and it was NOT an
invasion but a landing on own territory. Despicable and apparently useless as it might have been, the war served both countries well
to know who their real friends and foes are.
I have good acquaintances with people showing four and more generations in the islands and heartily respect their loyalties and what they consider their land. But it is not"
Ok, I think it's time you look beyond all of that stupid Argentine propaganda.
Yes, Britain abandoned it colony in 1774, no one is denying that, but they still asserted Sovereignty. Now I'm sure that the original indigenous people of South America, who were living there a hell of a lot longer before Argentina ever existed would suddenly say that the land that the people form Spanish descent lived on was always threes and was there god given right to have. Of course not. They'd have no right to, since the people of Spanish decent have been living on that land for generations, they have every right to claim that land their own.
Now, how can you deny the very same thing to the people living on the Falklands? Who's families have been living there for generations? You can't, simply because if you do, then you claim that the land that YOU live on is not your own as well. That's how Argentines clam is so critically flawed.
The only way the islands would become part of Argentina is if the people of the Falklands agreed to it. So far, they have said NO, no matter how low the Argentine government as gone for support, with the use of bribes.
Posted by: Reality Check at April 08, 2006 12:10 PM (nFv13)
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haha argie got murked by reality check!!
RULE BRITANIA
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
Posted by: mekkaz at April 08, 2006 04:08 PM (G9BUr)
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i think that mr blair might find a little invasion and controlled war in this area a perfect deflection from the missdemeanours of messrs two shags and co.
Posted by: y smythe at April 30, 2006 09:19 PM (2m2Gg)
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I hope the resolution of this conflict with both powers over the falklands can inspire others to follow (especially in a not to distant future). Like in the Basque and Irish disputes that settled at similar periods for example. My message is positive and for comnication/understanding. I happen to believe in a pro-peace European Union. Not to get too political, but I believe in the positive energy that is slowly showing itself to its citizensa nd to the rest of the world. It would be excellent to have a negotiation with a third respected Ear, and possibly the people themselfs could decide and be heard.
Posted by: Scram Jet Squirrel at May 02, 2006 01:04 AM (4IDjB)
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I believe Argentina is trying to asert itself as a world power, however trying to fight GBis not the smartest thing to do especially since the SAS/SBS is preforming better than the US Navy SEALS. Argentina would have a lot better luck invading Uruguay. As for the "who had original sovereignty" thing almost every single country exsists because someone invaded someone else. Ultimately it is up to people who live their to chose. So the people of the Falklands all say God save the Queen, I say GOD BLESS AMERICA
Posted by: the Brimerican at May 07, 2006 12:50 PM (uSuoa)
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