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February 11, 2006

ACLU Attacks Boy Scouts Again

Stop the ACLU reports that the ACLU is leading another assault on the Boy Scouts, sponsoring a lawsuit by a lesbian couple to have the Scouts thrown out of a San Diego park:

One can readily assume how this will be ruled; we are talking about the 9th Circuit here. The ACLU want to force the BSA to welcome professing homosexuals and even to recruit gay Scout leaders. TheyÂ’d also like to erase the mention of Â“duty to GodÂ”. The ACLU is waging more than just a battle; it is waging a campaign. Since 1981, it has participated in at least 14 cases against the Boy Scouts.

Indeed, the Ninth Circus Court of Fools is notorious for softheaded rulings that bear little resemblance to mainstream jurisprudence. This is the court that wanted to strike the words, "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.

The ACLU's past championing of the child molestation advocacy group, the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), makes their continued fascination with the BSA, and inserting homosexuals into its leadership, appear all the more sinister.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto and Vince Aut Morire.

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1 HOT ABERCROMBIE CHICK IS A MAN!! HERE'S PROOF!!!! http:// foreigndispatches.typepad...bercrombie.html WHO IS MUSTANG GIRL MARIE????

Posted by: George W Bush at February 11, 2006 02:22 PM (ZZXfq)

2 Isn't the partner of the current head of the ACLU a 9th circuit judge?

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at February 11, 2006 02:36 PM (aH6Zf)

3 Buy BSA Popcorn. Support your local troops.

Posted by: Dave at February 11, 2006 03:19 PM (3yvId)

4 They picked a good place. The judges in Sandiego tend to be very anti American values. BSA has for over a century been a paradigm of American values. The court in San Daiego recently sided with the Trial Lawyers and ACLU in a case against the City selling a hill with a Cross on it to a NGO so the cross would not have to be destroyed (as the ACLU have got another court to order). The court also said the City had to pay the Trial Lawyers and the ACLU almost $1,000,000 in legal fees. They will very likely win this case and then use it as stare decisis in othe cases throught the West. Disclaimer: 55 years ago I was a Scout and 25 years ago my kids were Scouts. I am very biased in favor of BSA and GSA. I also have hated the America hating ACLU for 50 uyears. Other than these 2 items I have no dog in this fight.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at February 11, 2006 06:28 PM (lwdxR)

5 ACLU the Atheists.Communists and Lawlers Underground its founder is a boneified communists

Posted by: sandpiper at February 12, 2006 01:58 PM (08Fdo)

6 It seems to me that "renting" out public parkland (for next to nothing) to a group that has religious requirements for membership is obviously unconstitutional.

Posted by: Brian Westley at February 14, 2006 08:27 PM (COPAg)

7 "Religious requirements"? You were obviously never a Boy Scout, Brian. And only a deranged deiphobe would consider acknowledgement of the existence of a higher power (which is all that the Scouting admonition to being "reverent" amounts to) to be in violation of the Establishment clause. I advocate suing atheists for pushing their personal belief system as a state religion.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 14, 2006 09:11 PM (RHG+K)

8 Sorry Bluto, requiring a belief in a god IS quite clearly a "religious requirement", and the US government can't subsidise a group that has religious requirement for membership. The BSA actively kicks out atheists, and the government can't give them sweetheart deals any more than they can special deals to an organization that excludes Jews.

Posted by: Brian Westley at February 26, 2006 05:19 AM (COPAg)

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Iraq and Bad Intelligence

Many people are arrogent engough to believe that they 'know' 'objective reality' as it 'really is'. Conversely, many people are paralyzed into inaction because they never have enough information to make an educated guess about the right decision. These people act as if they 'do not know' even an approximation of 'reality'.

In reality, major decisions are often made based upon incomplete information. When such a situation arises, one must think of the consequences of being wrong and the probabilities involved in worst case scenarios.

For instance, pick a single car about to enter the U.S. from Canada. The probability that this particular car is carrying a suitcase nuclear bomb is very, very low. Further, one cannot know what is in the trunk of this particular car.

You have two options: wave the car through without checking the trunk or stop the car and check to see what is inside. What is the proper course of action?

The proper course of action depends entirely on the consequences of being wrong. If you stop the car, and find that there is nothing in the trunk, you have inconvenienced the driver. Further, since you must repeat this action several thousand times a day, there is also the cost of hiring additional border agents. If you never find a bomb then you have wasted precious resources that could have been used in other places.

Imagine, though, that you don't stop the car and it does have a nuclear bomb in it. Oops.

The nature of estimating threats is that it is always based on incomplete information. We didn't know just how poor the Soviet military arsenal was during the Cold War. We didn't know that nuclear weapons were already on the island of Cuba during the missile crisis. Today, we don't know if Iran really intends to build a nuclear weapon. We don't know the extent to which al Qaeda has been destroyed. Yet, we did, and must continue to base policy decisions on incomplete information anyway.

Professor Chaos (also posted at OTB) has an excellent post that is a must read on ex-CIA official Paul R. Pillar's argument that the Adminstration was aware of uncertainties in the pre-Iraq war intelligence. First, he notes that the CIA is a bureaucracy, so that the President only sees what is presented to him by the top eschelon--namely the Clinton appointee George Tenet. Then:

Pillar suggests, as have countless others, is that there was ample evidence refuting the WMD intel but the Bush administration "cherry picked" that which pointed in the direction to war. There seems to be some truth to the notion that the administration listened more closely to intel that suggested a threat, but we can't ignore that this occurred in the aftermath of September 11 -- when the intelligence community (Pillar included) had ample information but failed to "connect the dots."
In this light, the "rush" to go to war in Iraq was less a case of selectively using unreliable intel as it was the result of erring on the side of national security. Pillar may see that differently because he was a CIA insider, but his analysis here fails to recognize this broader national security lens through which the administration would have based its decisions.

Also, it begs the question of action. Even if the Administration knew the intelligence was incomplete, so what? A decision, one way or another, had to be made. One cannot wait until a perfectly clear picture becomes available--because one never does. Waiting for perfect intelligence is a recipe for disaster because perfect intelligence is never available. To believe that it can be is naive.

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1 Bravo. When every major intelligence agency in the world, including our own agency as well as the prior administration, says it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck, then the appropriate action is to treat it like a duck. The dots were all there. Not connecting them as they were would have been negligent.

Posted by: slug at February 11, 2006 01:42 PM (nKGgB)

2 What I want to know is why you had to add a shill for skepticism to the beginning of the post. Objective reality being what it is, one must always keep the proper context of any decision in mind - which includes all of what you said, even assuming "I can know objective reality" (which is what enables us to know probabilities; the assumption that some objective reality exists and is knowable, and we can measure how close we are to it, approximately.)

Posted by: MiB at February 11, 2006 05:16 PM (tFcEO)

3 Skepticism is the soul of wisdom, because it causes one to question everything and seek evidence for every assertion. one cannot truly learn if one is not a skeptic. That said, there is a significant difference between skepticism and pathological denial, the latter being one of the leftards' problems.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 12, 2006 07:35 AM (0yYS2)

4 Excellant post DR. Rusty.

Posted by: MathewK at February 12, 2006 07:26 PM (pVHqF)

5 More bad intelligence from Wa Post writer Howard Hurtz " Michael Yon may not be a household name, but he emerged last year as the reporter of choice for many conservatives and supporters of the war. His blog inspired so much buzz that by last month only 83 other blogs, out of about 26 million on the Internet, received more links from other websites. "Yon's emergence from obscurity is emblematic of Internet-age journalism, in which a lone writer with little experience can build a significant following by deeply mining a specialized niche. In the blogosphere, opinions fly with abandon. Unconventional characters thrive who would make the mainstream media blanch. What big newspaper or television network, after all, would have taken a chance on a self-taught war correspondent who once killed a man in a barroom fight, and whose last venture had him pursuing an American cannibal around the globe?" Sounds like a natural for cable news.

Posted by: Kevin at February 13, 2006 09:54 AM (GImrl)

6 It was a bad decision followed by other wrong decisions. At some point people have to realize that things are not going well. The director of Shin Bet is already questioning wether it would be better to have a despot in charge of iraq or the chaos that is there now.

Posted by: john ryan at February 14, 2006 05:17 PM (TcoRJ)

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Hafez al-Bukari and Rahma Hujira

The Yemeni regime has a new label to target its reformers, opposition and civil leaders: Â“pro-Dutch.Â” (The regime employs a variety of stereotypes to label its opponents in an effort to turn public opinion against them: Zionist, Separatist, Houthi, Terrorist, Mason, American-leaning and Treasonous, to name a few.)

This is the story of Hafez al-Bokari and Rahma Hujira, two leaders of Yemeni civil society who have struggled for years for journalists rights. In May of 2005, one of the regime stooge attack papers, Al-Belad, published a horrible article about them, which the Yemen Times at the time described as insulting to RehmaÂ’s honor. From all reports it was a very derogatory and crude article, but the Yemeni regime specializes in sleeze as well as brutality. Of course, the public prosecutor to date has not responded to their law suit against al-Belad filed in May.

In December, the following appeared on the internet site of al-Shawa newspaper: The manager of the office of the Saudi Okaz newspaper in Sana'a Hafez al-Bukari was dismissed from his job, reasons are vague. While al-Bukari refused to comment on the dismiss, some media reports though it based upon pressures on and calls to the Okaz headquarters in Saudi by Yemeni informants who do not agree with al-Bukari activities and defending stances for the sake of press freedom after he had been elected a secretary-general of the Yemeni Journalists Syndicate in 2004.

Now the paper of the Yemeni military, the 26 September, at the height of public emotion over the cartoons, published a front page article that Hafez and Rahma are agents of the Dutch government. (Hafez as the head of the syndicate was coordinating some journalistsÂ’ training program that set up by the Dutch and Yemeni governments. )

Yemen Times The board also condemned the accusation that was brought on the 26 September newspaper website. Here, Al-Bokari and his wife, journalist Rahma Hujaira, are said to have connections with Denmark. The syndicate considered this as a way to blackmail the two journalists, especially after the recent crises regarding the illustrations of the prophet Mohammad in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.

They attempted to bring a legal suit against the militaryÂ’s newspaper for publishing false and inflammatory information. From their letter to the Public Prosecutor in Yemen:

This article was published on the first news page on February 1st 2006. It included direct and clear instigation and offense against me Hafez Al-Bukari , President of Yemen Polling Center and General Secretary of Yemen Journalists Syndicate, and against my wife Rahma Hujira, Chairwoman of the Yemen Female Media Forum. You will also notice that this article includes false information that was made up intentionally for the purpose of being used unfairly against usÂ….
Therefore, we would like to bring a legal suit against those responsible for the website and to draw you attention to the risks that may endanger not only our lives but also our children, families, the institutions we work for and the employees working in them. The reason for this is that this instigation published by this official military institution which is supposed to protect us as citizens of this country.
Such fake information proves that this article is an attempt to use the anger spread in the Muslim world to attack us individually and to attack our institutions; Yemen Polling Center and Yemen Female Media Forum for that these institutions are concerned with democratic, social, and media reformation and development and they tackle general issues related to the society.

No response from the Prosecutor yet. This incident is a clear example of the Yemeni government is using the cartoon controversy to target reformers. And it shows the true anti-democratic, anti-reform face of the Yemeni government.

More importantly, I hope it shows what IÂ’ve been saying for the last year(s): there are some real heroes in Yemen, fighting against enormous challenges, to bring about a more just society. Its not just al-Khaiwani, not just Rahma and Hafez, thereÂ’s many. The government targets them over and over in a variety of ways. They donÂ’t give up. ThereÂ’s some corrupt people, hungry people, and frightened people who bend to the will of the regime. The ones who put their country before themselves deserve our full support.

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Dancing Mohammed and Rave Mullahs

You are so fatwa'd for this! What's great is that they have a link to the 'Jesus Dance' page, too. I wonder if 'the American Taliban' we keep hearing about from the Left will show out in mass protest and call for state censorship against Christian blasphemy? Hat tip: Stephen Green

And via Headmistress SondraK this link to what seems to be the Islamic equivalent of Pentacostalism--only set to techno music so it's funny.

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Salma Hayek and Penelope Cruz Lesbian Love Affair and 'Good' Gay Cowgirls Eating Pudding

Are Salma Hayek and Penelope Cruz having a lesbian affair? That's what rumors in Mexican tabloids say. Of course, it doesn't hurt the spread of such rumors when 99% of men polled by the Jawa Report say they secretly hope the rumors are true.

Apparently, the rumors started during the filming of the movie Bandidas. Unlike Brokeback Mountain, the film is the kind of gay cowboy film men will be flocking to see. No word on the amount of pudding consumed in the film. more...

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I'm Sure It Happened Exactly That Way, George

George Clooney expounds on his simple-minded political views in a softball interview for the Guardian, and really gets into the role:

"I was at a party the other night and it was all these hardcore Republicans and these guys are like, 'Why do you hate your country?' I said, 'I love my country.' They said, 'Why, at a time of war, would you criticise it then?' And I said, 'My country right or wrong means women don't vote, black people sit in the back of buses and we're still in Vietnam. My country right or wrong means we don't have the New Deal.' I mean, what, are you crazy? My country, right or wrong? It's not your right, it's your duty. And then I said, 'Where was I wrong, schmuck?' In 2003 I was saying, where are the ties [between Iraq] and al-Qaida? Where are the ties to 9/11? I knew it; where the fuck were these Democrats who said, 'We were misled'? That's the kind of thing that drives me crazy: 'We were misled.' Fuck you, you weren't misled. You were afraid of being called unpatriotic."

Like, really? Like, you didn't kind of imagine this conversation in your head, did you, George? Like maybe you could name the "hardcore Republicans" so we could hear their side of the story?

But, like anyway, George, it reminds of something that happened to me the other day. Like, this hardcore liberal was, like, talking shit about America, you know, and he said, "George Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world!" And I was like, "Sir, your hypothesis is absurd. The basis of modern terrorism is the use of vicious, wanton attacks on innocent people in order to elicit fear on the populace for the purpose of coercing them into putting pressure on their leaders to make concessions that the terrorist deems desirable." And, shit, man, the hardore liberal is like, "Uh...", and then I'm like, "And obvously, George Bush, as the twice-elected President of the United States of America has not only the right, but the Constitutional duty, sir, to take whatever action he deems necessary to effect the safety and well-being of the country and her citizens, including appropriate military actions." And the lib dude is like, "But, but...", and then he had a stroke and died right on the spot! It was like karma, man, karma.

Now, none of this is to say that George Clooney is a lying sack of shit, and don't you ever question his patriotism.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto and Vince Aut Morire.

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1 The smug moron doesn't know the difference between disagreeing with his country's internal policies versus shitting on his country overseas and siding with our enemies. It must hurt to be that stupid.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 11, 2006 12:10 AM (paKD6)

2 No you have to have a brain to feel pain. Think earth worm all nervous system no brain no pain!

Posted by: Oldcrow at February 11, 2006 12:55 AM (cqHiC)

3 George Clooney is a lying sack of shit and I question his patriotism

Posted by: stillers at February 11, 2006 01:58 AM (blNMI)

4 ..yeah...I'm putting him in the self-centered lying sack of shit category too...

Posted by: Orbit Rain at February 11, 2006 02:20 AM (Fg+rl)

5 This whole Iraq Gate is something like; "Shoot first then ask questions" I am very sorry to say this, but the whole handling of Iraq after saddam must be something in the catagory of "I have shit in my brain" If you have handled it with any common sence, US soldiers were already sitting at home! sipping beer! Hey dude what's up? ..huuu, I duno! What a bunch of Fuckups!

Posted by: Dan at February 11, 2006 03:17 AM (Z2OsI)

6 Heh. No matter how profound or provocative or even outrageous liberal idiots try to sound, and no matter whether they're kids or college perfessers, they always come across as if they were woken suddenly, still babbling from a dream.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 11, 2006 06:00 AM (0yYS2)

7 I question his story, patriotism and mental stability. This post is why I like coming over here. Good job Bluto.

Posted by: thirdee at February 11, 2006 07:23 AM (QzDmB)

8 George Clooney speaks of simple ways becuase he is a simpelton with his walnut sized brain he is your typical holywood idiot and his movies stink

Posted by: sandpiper at February 11, 2006 09:17 AM (mY5+n)

9 Hey Dan, second guessing isn't a plan, and hindsight isn't wisdom. The only thing Dems have offered so far is cutting and running.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 11, 2006 09:23 AM (paKD6)

10 I don't think "hard-core Republicans" get invited to those parties, do they??

Posted by: Richard at February 11, 2006 09:25 AM (W8EsU)

11 Hi Carlos, Maybe so, can't really judge that, I am not from America but I don't understand why people are called non patriotic if they don't agree on Iraq or see it all a bit different. My guess is that Cloony will talk differently about Afghanistan!

Posted by: Dan at February 11, 2006 09:37 AM (Z2OsI)

12 ---"I don't think "hard-core Republicans" get invited to those parties, do they??"--- Yes, evidently it's very popular for celebrities to invite a dozen or so hard-core Republicans to their parties now. It's "like" some sort of tax dodge where the invitation clearly states BYOB. I guess "like" they are supposed to pick up a few duty free bottles when they fly in to his Italian villa.

Posted by: Charles at February 11, 2006 09:37 AM (kiLAW)

13 Lads and Lasses, love y'all but let's throw the spell check into gear before the other button. It's very important to be, look and sound right, if you're gonna lead. And that concludes todays lesson in .....

Posted by: forest hunter at February 11, 2006 09:56 AM (Fq6zR)

14 IM: You sir, are an exception , if for no other reason than you are exceptional! Apart from the fact, that yours was intentional.

Posted by: forest hunter at February 11, 2006 10:01 AM (Fq6zR)

15 Dan, People don't get called un-patriotic if they simply disagree with the Iraq situation. Many Iraq critics who get counter-criticized often start to scream that their patriotism is being questioned. Even when the counter critics go out of their way to say no one's patriotism is being dissed. Now, there are certains groups of people who deserve their patriotism questioned. A professor who wishes for a million Mogadishus (ala Blackhawk Down) deserves his patriotism questioned. Code Pink who it is said has given money to the Iraqi terrorists deserve the questioning of their patriotism. Will Clooney talk differently about Afghanistan? Perhaps, but it wouldn't shock me if he dissed Afghanistan too. After all, MoveOn was 100% against going into Afghanistan (despite their weaselly words today about the topic). I doubt very much Clooney's story. It all sounds like standard leftist caricture.

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at February 11, 2006 10:25 AM (zdcna)

16 When people believe the claims of foreigners, particularly our enemies, that our military has engaged in "war crimes" without a shred of proof or without even hesitating a nanosecond to 2nd guess that maybe our troops deserve a presumption of innocense, it's proper to question their patriotism. When someone treats Abu Gharib as if it were widespread and all soldiers participated in this action, when people believe Seymour Hersh unquestioningly and refuse to believe any part of a Pentagon Press release (including today's date), their patriotism warrants questioning. If you thought we should've given the inspections more time, your patriotism wasn't questioned. If you wanted economic sanctions lifted over the last 10 years but turn around and said this war was wrong because "sanctions worked", your patriotism warrants questioning.

Posted by: h0mi at February 11, 2006 12:42 PM (0l6mI)

17 Marcus and h0mi, Thanks for the inside. For a moment I had the impression that America has become a bit of short-sided. good to see there is an nuance!

Posted by: Dan at February 11, 2006 01:01 PM (Z2OsI)

18 "short-sighted"

Posted by: Dan at February 11, 2006 01:05 PM (Z2OsI)

19 Thanks forest, and may the blessed nose hairs of the prohpet, (BBQ sauce upon him), embrace you like a cashmere bathrobe with matching shearling slippers.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 11, 2006 04:35 PM (0yYS2)

20 Anyone here watch the movie "Jarhead", i have'nt but heard some leftwing elites waffling on about it on the radio, apparently it about some American soldiers that were trained and sent to iraq in the first gulf war but never saw combat. Was it like that? As usual, the left wing elitist armchair war generals thought it a massive waste of money and resources, much like the current war in Iraq. These hollywood types, criticise when soldiers are not used (hence few of them die), but also reserve the right to criticise when soldiers are used (and some die).

Posted by: MathewK at February 12, 2006 07:38 PM (pVHqF)

21 So much hate for such small minds. Does it hurt?

Posted by: rightbrainrot at February 13, 2006 03:41 AM (JVSN1)

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February 10, 2006

A Moderate In America Responds

To the moderate Muslims in Rusty's post: more...

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1 The Moderates In Europe Join You! To the moderate Moon God worshipers Â– with the insane Prophet Â– the same!

Posted by: Orange Tiger at February 10, 2006 11:06 PM (AlFBO)

2 At the end it will always be an moderate thats saves the day!

Posted by: Dan at February 11, 2006 04:37 AM (Z2OsI)

3 We should all look to Joe Gandleman. He is, after all, "The Moderate Voice!" heh.

Posted by: Mark at February 11, 2006 05:27 AM (WLuo4)

4 Oh good, we've got a new troll, and the crap that he spews is as funny as I've seen. Welcome Dan, and please, enlighten us with yer wisdom oh subtle and profound one.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 11, 2006 06:01 AM (0yYS2)

5 Maximus, Ha ha.... Dont be mislead by the title of that particular post, a non moderaaate doesnt protest he or she just tjops you head off... and cut ya open for doggie food. Woef woef,...Jummie! At least, I think so!

Posted by: Dann at February 11, 2006 07:52 AM (Z2OsI)

6 Correction: "Title" must be "images" (always to fast on the tricker). Greetings Maximus Pilatimus!

Posted by: Dan at February 11, 2006 07:58 AM (Z2OsI)

7 Okay, now I have to go lie down after reading those last two, feeling kinda dizzy...

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 11, 2006 04:37 PM (0yYS2)

8 You do that!

Posted by: Dan at February 12, 2006 03:32 AM (Z2OsI)

9 Dan, are you stupid, or just using a bad translator?

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 12, 2006 07:38 AM (0yYS2)

10 Dear Maximus, Go, Fuck a Duck!

Posted by: Dan at February 12, 2006 08:01 AM (Z2OsI)

11 Ok, let me give ya a normal response: You telling me that you are getting dizzy and have to lie down. My response was: Â“You do that! Am I speaking any France here? Grandpa!

Posted by: Dan at February 12, 2006 08:51 AM (Z2OsI)

12 No, you're just sounding like an idiot.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 12, 2006 10:34 AM (0yYS2)

13 A definition of an idiotÂ… In the sticky post: Â“Attention Secret ServiceÂ” You gave a perfect example that!

Posted by: Dan at February 12, 2006 10:52 AM (Z2OsI)

14 Oooookay then. Pardon me while I ignore any further comments you make, since you're so stupid you take an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 12, 2006 07:18 PM (0yYS2)

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Murder Deadline for Jill Carroll Set for Feb. 26

Jill Carroll's terrorist captors are warning that they will murder the American hostage if their demand that all female Iraqi prisoners be released. The terrorists gave the Iraqi governmet until Feb. 26th. Also, an informer told a private Kuwaiti TV station that he knew where Jill Carroll is. I pray that this Arab TV station cooperates with the Iraqi and American forces so that Jill Carroll can be liberated from her barbaric captors before it is too late.

A note accompanied the video released of Jill Carroll yesterday. I guess we now know what was on the note. Apparently, there is also a ransom demand.

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1 If this all makes sense to anyone - please explain it to me.

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 04:57 PM (3aakz)

2 All I can tell you is the captors want all Iraqi prisoners freed. I don't know where Rusty heard about a ransom demand but it wouldn't surprising. These captors keep changing their demands. They know an attractive American woman is valuable. Everyone is talking about her more than the other hostages. Hell I haven't heard a thing about the four CPT hostages and the two German hostages. Jill appeared calm because the captors want people to know she is being treated well. Also according to the kuwaiti station, apparently the women in the captors' hideout are making sure Jill is being treated well. I'm hoping Jill will be released or rescued but I don't know what will happen.

Posted by: SavageR@msn.com at February 10, 2006 05:09 PM (5E0ex)

3 All I can tell you is the captors want all Iraqi prisoners freed. I don't know where Rusty heard about a ransom demand but it wouldn't surprise me. These captors keep changing their demands. They know an attractive American woman is valuable. Everyone is talking about her more than the other hostages. Hell I haven't heard a thing about the four CPT hostages and the two German hostages. Jill appeared calm because the captors want people to know she is being treated well. Also according to the kuwaiti station, apparently the women in the captors' hideout are making sure Jill is being treated well. I'm hoping Jill will be released or rescued but I don't know what will happen.

Posted by: SavageR@msn.com at February 10, 2006 05:09 PM (5E0ex)

4 Stick your finger into your baby daughter/son (if they are yours or does it matter?) and lick it. It taste good to you.

Posted by: The Prophet Mohammed at February 10, 2006 06:12 PM (XKC8o)

5 I am praying for a rescue. I truly hope that there is no thought of giving the hostage takers anything except a slug between the eyes.

Posted by: Marvin at February 10, 2006 07:45 PM (wKVcb)

6 I read the AP story - it noted if executed then by sharia law. (?????) Can some muslim explain to me why and how such law applies to a non-involved hostage in the first place? Also it notes she's working in the kitchen doing chores - guess that's a muslim's way of saying that's where a woman belongs. And on that subject - if a muslim woman is in fact just a man's household property - then it really doesn't make much sense for the US or Iraqi authorities to detain them anyway - anymore than holding a household pet. This all-over-the-map excuse for a culture can be extremely annoying! I mean - here in NYC we waste so much tax money letting muslims send their daughters to our schools and universities, allowing them to work when others need jobs - I mean - what's the point? Keep your girls and women in their place! Show some freakin' coherent consistancy if you want some respect!

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 08:08 PM (3aakz)

7 Damn Rusty! I know her story is important to you - but you just wiped out everything else for Christ's sake! What were you thinking?

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 08:14 PM (3aakz)

8 OK - all is fixed and forgiven. Assume it was a brief blog linking error. See what happens when you occassionally type with your toes.

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 08:20 PM (3aakz)

9 Where are the protests for this - outrage? Here is someone who was bending over backwards to understand their culture and way of life. And here she is sitting up their in that F***ING scarf, about to loose her life. Where is the Islamic outrage Â– here? They are spending so much energy on protesting some stupid picture - which no one would have even remembered and almost no time to protest beheadings carried out in their ProphetÂ’s / Desert Moon GodÂ’s name. I think that beneath the surface - they support these beheadings. The teachings of the Terrorist Prophet -

Posted by: Orange Tiger at February 10, 2006 10:36 PM (AlFBO)

10 Rusty, Perhaps this is a strange question: Are the kidnappers attempting to make her appear more young, attractive and helpless? Does it strike you that she was dressed in strange, or non radical Muslim, colors and designs; in both her dress and in the background? Radical Muslim women don't normally wear that combination of green and white with a distinctive pattern. Also, they placed her in front of a background showing a very feminine flower pattern, which is not the norm (black and no artistic designs) of these kidnappers. All of which accented her youth and femininity.

Posted by: Mirra at February 10, 2006 10:42 PM (F9FUD)

11 Muslims are always bragging about how they respect women, they are such hypocrites, they treat women like trash and their ugly she camels love it.

Posted by: Jake at February 10, 2006 10:47 PM (5m1yM)

12 The only way to get the Muslims to be outraged about the kidnapping, and threats of Murder of Jill Carroll would be if in the next video she held up a cartoon of Mohammed.

Posted by: dave at February 11, 2006 12:41 AM (CcXvt)

13 I told you, Iraqi hostages always sit behind a flower pattern to hide their location before they are executed.

Posted by: Robert Savage at February 11, 2006 07:51 AM (5E0ex)

14 Mirra, Apparently her dress is reflective of a particular neighborhood in Baghdad, or so I'm told. It's quite typical.

Posted by: Rusty at February 11, 2006 11:18 AM (JQjhA)

15 Where is the outrage from ANY congress or senate creature at seeing an American woman forced into a burka? Why are ALL Jewish "representatives" SILENT when islam says they are going to kill the Jews and destroy the west? Where is the feminist indignation at a western woman (or any woman) being stuffed into a burka? Or for that matter why no comment at the third class treatment of women in THAT culture? Why will the media grovel before islam for Jill Carroll and not print the allah (piss on him) cartoons ANYWHERE? How many people do we have to see crawling before these animals and having their heads sawn off before we get it? Where is the "leadership"? Where is the "courage"? Where is "the button"? "As for me, give me liberty or give me death" I want those 7th century cowards to die for their beliefs - I want us to win. (sorry to butcher Patton's quote) World War III started years ago, lets call a nazi a nazi and get it over with. Fight islam Now

Posted by: Fight islam Now at February 11, 2006 02:27 PM (hWPC6)

16 Rusty, Thanks for the information and your clarification on Jill Carroll's appearance . I wasn't aware those colors and pattern were normal for radical Islamic women. It struck me as strange to see their hostage dressed in that fashion. I appreciate the new information.

Posted by: Mirra at February 12, 2006 04:15 PM (F9FUD)

17 Unbelievers are evil. Jill Carroll is a believer, not an infidel. Jill went to Iraq to do God's work, not the work of George Bush. Muslims are obliged to wage a jihad against unbelievers, not believers. In a jihad the rights of noncombatants must be respected Jill Carroll is a noncombatant. If Jill Carroll is killed, those who kill her will be doing the work of the infidel. Whoever kills Jill Carroll will be cursed in his afterlife!

Posted by: Melanie Pridgen at February 21, 2006 07:50 PM (TdxpG)

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Moderate Muslim Speak Out Against Intolerance Across Globe

The following is a gallery of news photos taken at hundreds of protests, all of them held TODAY, in dozens of countries around the world. Trust me, you'll want to scroll through the whole thing. Might take a bit to load.

Moderates in Africa are disgusted over the intolerance of extremists Muslims calling for press censorship.

South African Muslims protest bin Ladenism in all its forms.

Muslims in Jordan stand up for Democracy and the underlying preconditions for it of freedom of expression, speech, and religion. Jordan is often cited as an example of a 'moderate' country.

There's more. more...

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1 Makes you wonder why muslim culture (particularly arab) has been on a downward spiral these past 1000 years - Aaaahhh - things was so much better in the ME when the Turks ran everything.

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 05:06 PM (3aakz)

2 It's heartwarming to see all this Muslim support for rights too many of us take for granted. By the way, Sri Lanka is the adopted home of Arthur C. Clarke, not Isaac Asimov, who is currently dead.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 10, 2006 06:12 PM (RHG+K)

3 Arthur Clarke lives in Sri Lanka, not Azimov. Azimov doesn't live anywhere, he's suffering from a mild case of "dead." FYI. You may want to get a picture of the massive turnout (about 50 people) for the "Free Muslims against Terrorism" rally to compare and contrast with these rallies. I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at February 10, 2006 06:34 PM (Kz30m)

4 Rusty, this was the funniest post I have seen all week. Thank you.

Posted by: Bill Dautrive at February 10, 2006 06:37 PM (G95Uf)

5 You rule.

Posted by: Ground State at February 10, 2006 06:56 PM (cgLD7)

6 The signs demostrate 'Muslim tolerance' clearly.

Posted by: Marvin at February 10, 2006 07:36 PM (wKVcb)

7 Where was this outrage for the 9-11 'toons' being printed globe wide? Seems like islam is only at peace when; like the meaning of the name, 'surrender' is a foot eh?

Posted by: Ed at February 10, 2006 08:13 PM (U0odV)

8 "The Muslim World"-- a phrase I am beginning to dislike intensely. These people are insane, no doubt about it!

Posted by: Evan at February 10, 2006 08:17 PM (BakZm)

9 THEY DON'T HATE US FOR OUR 'FREEDOM.' THEY DON'T HATE US FOR OUR 'FREEDOM.' THEY DON'T HATE US FOR OUR 'FREEDOM.' THEY DON'T HATE US FOR OUR 'FREEDOM.' THEY DON'T HATE US FOR OUR 'FREEDOM.' THEY DON'T HATE US FOR OUR 'FREEDOM.' THEY DON'T HATE US FOR OUR 'FREEDOM.' etc.

Posted by: a progressive at February 10, 2006 08:22 PM (kGfOr)

10 Don't sweat it. Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov are interchangeable like David Niven and Alec Guiness. One was in Star Wars and one was in River Kwai. Anyways, one of them is apostate because his Three Fatwas of Robotics didn't include the 4th, "A robot may not show irreverence to the prophet, or, through inaction, allow the prophet to come to irreverence."

Posted by: Charles at February 10, 2006 08:23 PM (kiLAW)

11 Mockery of Islamic intolerance is civic duty for western man (and woman).

Posted by: genard at February 10, 2006 08:25 PM (n6olX)

12 ..........just wait. Piglet is next!

Posted by: julio at February 10, 2006 08:44 PM (U6Yed)

13 everytime I see a muslim woman without a viel in these protests I want her to put one on ...I think the muslims are right about that one!!! they produce ugly woman and should keep them under cover ..

Posted by: gandolf at February 10, 2006 08:52 PM (hTcSz)

14 im ordering a shirt that says "Islam is a blast" with a stencil of a bomb w/fuse below the text

Posted by: dave at February 10, 2006 09:00 PM (wr82u)

15 These turd burglars are such idiots. Me thinks it won't be much longer now before shooting Islamists becomes common sport.

Posted by: Mongoose at February 10, 2006 09:08 PM (MWID4)

16 I was rather pleased to see this site until the inconsistencies between the images and the text: A "candel light vigil" in Western terms normally means standing quietly holding single lit candles in ones hand, not necessarily torching "things" in obvious anger... Anyway, maybe we could at least ask for consistency? I think the folks at Egyptian Al Fagr daily paper should be rather worried round about now! They printed the cartoons too!

Posted by: alykaapio at February 10, 2006 09:44 PM (ZnOIs)

17 I thank all those Muslims for continuously proving what hypocritical, backwards savages they are on world wide TV

Posted by: Jake at February 10, 2006 09:47 PM (5m1yM)

18 I know 'We can play the spot the Bin Laden contest' with these pictures!! If you win your life is spared!

Posted by: Orange Tiger at February 10, 2006 10:09 PM (AlFBO)

19 Screw your "religion" and your prophet! I'm rolling my bullets in bacon grease. allah - piss on him - and his piss ant backward, 7th century toadies Fight islam Now

Posted by: fight islam now at February 10, 2006 10:49 PM (AtY0r)

20 Islam must be secularized as Christianity has been. The only way to do that without resorting to several dozen hydrogen bombs is to infect Islam wherever it is found with the promise of human rights and democracy. Although I am technically an atheist, I would never deny that Christianity has been a force for Liberation. When was the last time that could be said of Islam? Many, many centuries ago and only in some places. Secular Christianity is ascendant. We all have an obligation to Civilization, no matter what we think of Christianity in practice, to make sure that the Liberation that Christ makes possible is preserved and advanced. We have a concomitant interest in undermining Islam whenever feasible. I salute this site for its courage in acting on its responsibilities in this regard.

Posted by: Toby Petzold at February 10, 2006 11:04 PM (QUWO/)

21 Oh, and the Asimov thing was very funny.

Posted by: Toby Petzold at February 10, 2006 11:05 PM (QUWO/)

22 These 7th century savages love death as we love life - they say it all the time - it's their mantra. This is a deal we should be able to make to the satisfaction of all parties without the slightest guilt. We would only be giving them what they want and getting what we want in return. Everybody Happy. Why don't we dump live swine on these countries or at the very least, why don''t we overfly these countries and spray a heavy film of bacon grease and pig entrails. Why don't we just drop dead pigs on their cities? Let's do the smart thing(s) and the thing(s) that degrade them the most. Their goal is a rewarding after life in service to allah (piss on him). We should be doing the things that cut off and prevent and penalize those rewards. Why don't our soldiers AS POLICY coat their ammo in pig grease and advertise it. Thinking about jihad abdul? Fugetaboutit! When we kill you we're doing it with pork - no virgins for you sucker! You'll rot in hell. Fight islam Now

Posted by: fight islam now at February 10, 2006 11:22 PM (AtY0r)

23 They love death........then paint yourself a nice black target on your forehead......yes the color of black......LIKE YOUR DEATH CULT.....and we will be happy to send you quickly to your PARADISE in heaven.....so you can finally get it on with your 72 virgins. And hopefuly....they look better than your sisters here on earth. Bless it be to your GREAT ONE.......MOJO the slave master!

Posted by: T. R. at February 10, 2006 11:43 PM (MLItl)

24 Islamism is not compatible with modern civilization and never will be. Mark my word, before we see peace in the world I think there will be a great "cleansing". Bush#1 killed the neutron bomb program and scrapped all of the warheads that Reagan built but I bet we see revitalized soon if not already. Like a great physic on humanity to rid itself of a toxic substance. Never Forget, Never Give In.

Posted by: Montana Infidel at February 10, 2006 11:45 PM (gY15T)

25 RIGHT ON..............Montan Infidel!

Posted by: T. R. at February 10, 2006 11:51 PM (MLItl)

26 I wish we could just chill out and stop hating. I guess the only peace that will come is from above and we should just get used to death and pain. I guess forgivness is a thing of the past. It just bothers me cause I know deep down every human wants peace. To have pride is the curse of man and humility is the gift. And to all you haters, try praying for peace

Posted by: Robert J.B at February 11, 2006 12:26 AM (wxzBM)

27 LOL, this was too good, I have to show this to others, it really shows how Islam is a religion of Peace. And the captions, priceless. Gooooo Freedom, LOL. Great post. Cheers.

Posted by: Gorkhali at February 11, 2006 01:42 AM (JB8vZ)

28 ...photos of crowd sizes in these locations would be enlightening, I'm sure...

Posted by: Orbit Rain at February 11, 2006 02:15 AM (Fg+rl)

29 Sri Lanka is not the adopted home of Isaac Asimov as the caption states. Isaac Asimov died in 1992 . Sri Lanka is the adopted home of Arthur C. Clarke.

Posted by: Mladen Andrijasevic at February 11, 2006 02:19 AM (Ec790)

30 Lets bring them Democracy! They seem so eager for it. see you all at the recruiting office, right?

Posted by: fakenamehere at February 11, 2006 03:04 AM (AZNnC)

31 Muslims are filthy degenerates. They make me sick when I see or hear them.

Posted by: Filthy Muslim at February 11, 2006 03:32 AM (3t1tw)

32 The smartest trick the devil ever did, was to convince the world he didn't exist. Mohamed was the devil, and his evil seed is alive and well. I shudder to think of the carnage that awaits us, and only hope that, once again, evil is defeated.

Posted by: mohamed at February 11, 2006 03:37 AM (3t1tw)

33 I like the text in the last image because it is thru!

Posted by: Dan at February 11, 2006 03:50 AM (Z2OsI)

34 IRAN ask for holocaust, but forget largest holocaust is done by islam in indian-subcontinent, ever in human history, they say bycott all countries which publish holocaust images, here is a link of a islamic country which has reprinted cartoons http://www.di2.nu/files/Muhammed_Cartoons_Jyllands_Posten.html will they burn there embassy too, the main thing is muslims are still living in 13th century, and they think a freak like mohammed will come and take there 9 yrs old dauther on camel. hey grow up u primitive apes, we r humans, at least bring humanity in you, instead of burning embassies and killing innocents

Posted by: perfektm at February 11, 2006 06:14 AM (juygv)

35 the only thing i can say "Kill all who don't agree 'ISLAM religion of Peace'" and close your eyes to truth, i think that cartoon with blacken mohammed eyes and open women eyes speak more then words! but what really is this "exotic shoe ritual in above images, looks like a stuid form of primitive dance,

Posted by: pms at February 11, 2006 06:22 AM (juygv)

36 ehhh, look at there teeth, i think not only womens, muslim mens should also cover their faces, someone please send dentist to them, please refer it to UN, it a outbreak of a diseases of teeth..

Posted by: human at February 11, 2006 06:26 AM (juygv)

37 Actually, Alec Guinness was in both "Star Wars" and "The Bridge on the River Kwai". No David Niven in either.

Posted by: Sal at February 11, 2006 06:49 AM (B8XpH)

38 If you make the protestors Jews - you'd think it was a rally against David Irving, or Ernst Zundel, or John Demjanjuk.

Posted by: Puck at February 11, 2006 06:58 AM (sM1t3)

39 Hey, don't you people who disparage the women in the photos for their looks realize that good-looking Muslim women get thrown in jail, "married" to the highest bidder, raped and then executed? That's the only way the men can deal with what excites them. Alright, alright, I shouldn't have made a generalization, maybe this only happens in Iran.

Posted by: St Ursula at February 11, 2006 07:23 AM (Q6zCe)

40 Disappointing, but not entirely unpredictable when even George Bush is apologizing. They're a little like that bratty kids who become a hellions because their parents are too intimidated to treat their behavior with the disrespect it deserves. They'll also assume (because they always have in the past) that if we shut up for this they can probably kill a bunch of us with impunity too. Just do it under the cover of their "outrage." But, I maintain that if the Western press had stated a specific policy that the only reason they weren't going to publish the cartoons was to provide "moderate" Muslims a forum that wouldn't compromise them, and that if no such muslims came forward within X amount of time they'd just publish in solidarity with Denmark, the result would have been to provide cover for the anti-extremists. By stating no such policy, and simply being proper Dhimmi, they've not only dishonored themselves but forced any real moderates (assuming there are some) into hiding and persecution. Dumb. Thus, a situation that was ready-made to work to our advantage turns into the enemy's, all due to an excess of timidity.

Posted by: Demosophist at February 11, 2006 07:25 AM (vW2Nd)

41 Believe it or not, everyone in the world sees the stupidity, childish nature, and pure foolishness of the islamic radicals(almost all islam), yet they are scared to say anything for fear of terrorism. Even annan himself is afraid since seeing his own UN aid offices being pillaged and held hostage in peace loving palestine. The world needs to stop being afraid, stop with the battered wife syndrome,"what did we do to bring this on ourself" crap. This is exactly what ultratolerance has brought the world. The most tolerant, liberal, enlightened people of places like Denmark, Norway etc. are seeing the fruits of their pandering. Here also, in the U.S. We are not very far behind How many more effigies burned and protests do we have to see before the "boy who cried wolf" is no longer listened to on a world level?

Posted by: Realist at February 11, 2006 07:57 AM (ySh44)

42 Funny people over there, most of them have never seen the pictures of the profet. Like what else do they do ? Work ? ^^ Anyways, thyr're just afraid that people will think by themselves. "Shut up and rape some woman" Islam has no Napoleon or some other revolutionist, there is just no progress in technology and stuff.

Posted by: Matt at February 11, 2006 08:34 AM (VnHvo)

43 Islam is a very appealing religion......to mentally lazy individuals. For centuries, muslims have been taught that all that is needed to get by is anger and violence. All that they supposedly need to build a functioning civilization has been put forth in a book and they've happily embraced it, even though it has consistently brought them oppression and strife. Despite this, there's still no desire to look beyond what has been taught for a better way of doing things. Instead of putting out the effort and applying any degree of thought to their problems, it's far easier to blame someone else and fall back on anger and violence until others get fed up enough to fix the problem for them. If they are to progress in this world, Islamic countries and islamic culture in general will always lag behind the West and the counties of the Far East. Until that happens, they'll just be seen as a nuisance that has managed to spread globally (as demonstrated by the above photos) - no better than the lowly zebra mussel.

Posted by: Graeme at February 11, 2006 08:36 AM (Y0mV3)

44 I'm sorry-bbut no where in the photos is there a single sign of the protestors you claim are supporting freedom of speech......ALL the photos show those AGAINST the westerners and democracy....what are you all seeing here? I think this is just another piece of propaganda!

Posted by: lahpap at February 11, 2006 08:38 AM (Ffvoi)

45 Ooops. I screwed up the last part of my post it should read: If they are to progress in this world, they must learn to think for themselves, as individuals. If not, islamic countries and islamic culture in general will always lag behind the West and the countries of the Far East.

Posted by: Graeme at February 11, 2006 08:41 AM (Y0mV3)

46 They've been in the Dark Ages for so long, that they don't know how to act like rational human beings.

Posted by: RepJ at February 11, 2006 09:36 AM (y6n8O)

47 Our mere existance is an insult to Islam as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge at February 11, 2006 09:46 AM (tsHL3)

48 We're so screwed. *Sighs* Or they are.

Posted by: Cattie at February 11, 2006 09:58 AM (quRbx)

49 Lahpap, the captions are pure sarcasm bro, they are not supposed to be promoting islamofascism, they are taking what the people say about muslims being mostly peaceloving and moderate and mocking it.

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 10:06 AM (ySh44)

50 Who else out there thinks we are only months or a few years away from WWIII? What we have to remember about the majority of the islamic population is that they are very uneducated, many are illiterate and hang on every word of kuran interpretation that they're mosque leaders tell them. There is no other outside influence. Iran and syria have a state run media. Iraqis were'nt allowed to have satalites during saddams reign. They are purposefully being kept in the dark from what is really going on in order to keep the propoganda train going. The power to stop terror lies soley in the hands of islams leader at the national and local level. That is who needs to be held responsible, especially since its obvious that they prefer to keep the average arab uneducated.

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 10:16 AM (ySh44)

51 I think that any person that degrades the religion of another is just plain stupid. This is the type of arrogance that promotes hatred among the peoples of the world. What ever happened to respect of others? It is time to quit putting down Jews, Christians and Muslims and start getting along. This may sound simplistic but in reality, it must happen or we are all doomed to a terrible future. Anyone who may not agree is a hate monger. Alan Askit

Posted by: Alan Askit at February 11, 2006 10:23 AM (ranaQ)

52 That is true realist, although respect for other religions, knowing when violence is justified and a sense of reason is not limited to literate and educated folk. Education can very often make people blind to what's really important in life. Thus the governments and imams are partly to blame for this mess, but individuals must be held accountable for their own actions and lack of control.

Posted by: Graeme at February 11, 2006 10:27 AM (Y0mV3)

53 Alan, I agree about the hatred, but I think again that we need to stop playing the roll of the battered wife and start putting some serious pressure on the leaders of islam to tell the truth to their people. Im sick of people of the civilized world of religions other than islam, constantly apologizing for cartoons and naked pyramids at abu ghirab, meanwhile, people are being beheaded, shot execution style, and tortued by one religous group (islam), And so-called moderate muslims are completely silent. Keep in mind that there is not one conflict in the world right now that muslims are not involved in, kasmir, sudan, iraq, chechnya, idonesia, malaysia, palestine, kenya, uganda, france,afghanistan, and so on and so forth. I have been always tought to love my enemies, but i have aLSO BEEN TOUGHT TO PROTECT MY FAMILY AND DEFEAT EVIL THAT COMES TO MY DOOR, AND ITS HERE!

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 10:36 AM (ySh44)

54 Graeme, i agree to a point with you, but when I see a 2 year old palestinian boy spewing out words like, "the israelis are dogs that like to drink palestinian blood", It is obvious that it is all a brainwashing passed down through uneducated parents who have seen nothing but war, and with no media for checks and balances, the Leaders are the only source of news that those parents get and rely on.

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 10:42 AM (ySh44)

55 Alan, That is a nice simplistic idea that the world should live in peace. But that can never happen. What we have seen in the news with these "peaceful demonstrations" is the truth of how this section of the globes population thinks of those who do not subscribe to their religious beliefs. So long as there are free thinkers their will always be conflict. Some of us in the west have tried to get alone with muslims but to no avail. You see Alan, the muslims don't want to get along with the rest of us. From what I am able to understand of the muslim mindset is that they hold the world to their set of religious laws weather we are muslim or not. It's time to wake up and take notice of what is happening. Time to come out from under the covers without your white flag.

Posted by: a real person at February 11, 2006 11:35 AM (DSC8o)

56 Cartoons perpetuating stereo types are not funny, especially those with religious leaders. The world would be in an uproar if the Pope was depicted in a cartoon molesting young boys or Christians were shown blowing up abortion clinics. This has occurred with several priests and Christians extremists, but it is not the entire Catholic religion or Christian faith. Unfortunate stereotype's perpetuated by ignorant people. The Muslim religion and it's views have been portrayed inaccurately and unfairly due to lack of information regarding true Muslim beliefs. There are extremists in all religions and races, unfortunately the squeaky wheel gets the moist oil. The U.S. is not to blame for the cartoon, but the U.S. media is to blame for showing only one side of a religion and group of individuals, which when you read about true Muslim beliefs, it does not advocate violence and provides equal rights and opportunity to women. The country they reside in is the oppressors, not the religion. I am of course an American who seeks out information through written literature, not just the boob tube or Internet but The Bible and The Koran. I try to investigate both sides of the issue before I jump on a bandwagon. These are sensitive times and people have the right to their religious leaders and beliefs to be respected, not degraded. Patricia Dallas, Texas

Posted by: p. brodersen at February 11, 2006 11:59 AM (CjtSb)

57 This is not a protest.

Posted by: somaking at February 11, 2006 12:07 PM (nuYaT)

58 patricia, The difference of your hypothetical sitution about a pope cartoon and the current cartoon fiasco is the reaction. Even christian extremists would never go as far as to try to attack soldiers, burn down embassies, or throw gas bombs at consulates. As far as boycotts, yes,when christians and others see things they object to in the media or commerce, they boycott. That is the beauty of free speech. Its, freedom to speak, but not free from responsibility. However, in the islamic culture, they are easily enraged and enflamed to the point of violence. The theme is consistant all across the globe. If you dont see it you are blind. As far as womens rights being supported in the kuran, maybe somewhat, but in the reality of most muslim cultures, you are sorely disinformed. for example,in the relativly moderate theocracy of iraq(pre-war), saddam issued a written decree granting a no questions asked right of a man to execute his wife or any other woman related to him that was suspected of committing adultery, with no consequences. Thats just one example, but its not the only one. If you think thats equal rights, then youre a little confused.

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 12:18 PM (ySh44)

59 I, a christian would see a cartoon of a molester priest and probably not be pissed, because it has merit. The cartoon of the profit has merit and is trying to catch attention because the world sees nothing but violence from these regions of the world. Im sure the media doesnt report all it should, but i do know first hand that the culture of islam is easily swayed and turned to hate and violence

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 12:28 PM (ySh44)

60 "they produce ugly woman and should keep them under cover .." are you kidding me? ever see Persian women? - well, the ones in exile outside of Iran, without the veil? Hot hot hot.

Posted by: rattlebag at February 11, 2006 12:30 PM (q2FSl)

61 Its time for all real christian folk to pray .pray and then pray some more . We are living in very dangerous times and our world needs Gods mercy like never before.[no joke!]

Posted by: tony buston at February 11, 2006 12:41 PM (WzglN)

62 I agree it is time to have some open air prayer meetings to answer this demonic upsurge friendofsinners

Posted by: itstimetopraynotbray at February 11, 2006 12:48 PM (WzglN)

63 It is time every civilized freedom loving person start practising Reverse Dhimmi policies in day to day life when dealing with these brain washed desert goons.It is our duty to this wonderful world of our ours and we owe it to our children.I am a Hindu from India and pretty sad to face these foolish fascist forces -brainwashed idiots.I hope you white guys wake up-we in India have been fighting them for 700 uears

Posted by: AJAX at February 11, 2006 12:59 PM (CE1PC)

64 There is an enemy within just as Ajax points out .check this out with christians in Indonesia or parts of Nigeria .Time to wake up world and stop allowing our values to be downtrodden .i agree this sunday lets call the church to pray for Gods answer to the situation .humans have lost the plot .

Posted by: thewest at February 11, 2006 01:13 PM (WzglN)

65 Im awake!!! Cant say that for all westerners, but i know about half of americans are there Good luck in defense of your culture and sovereignty AJAX

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 01:15 PM (ySh44)

66 Yeah, it's time to pray but it's also time to pass the ammunition. It's way past time to start calling the nazis nazis The overwhelming naevite and simplistic "lets all get along" crap being expressed here and EVERYWHERE will buy us all a front row seat to nuclear winter. Speak Up! Please Fight islam Now

Posted by: fight islam now at February 11, 2006 01:20 PM (hWPC6)

67 THIS IS INCREDIBLE TO SEE ALL THESE "WHACK-A-DOOS" OUT PROTESTING "EN MASSE", DON'T ANY OF THESE PEOPLE WORK??? OH YEAH- THATS RIGHT, THE EUROPEAN TAX DOLLARS SUPPORT THEM TO STAY AND EXPLOIT THE SYSTEM AND MAKE THEIR DEMANDS ON A CULTURE AND SOCIETY THEY OBVIOUSLY NEVER HAVE ANY INTENTION OF UNDERSTANDING, RESPECTING OR INTEGRATING INTO. MULTI-CULTURISM WITH THESE FANATICS WHO TRULY HATE WESTERN CULTURE AND CIVILIZATION IS AN IMPOSSABILITY. ANOTHER CRUSADE WOULD BE WELCOME AT THIS POINT. REMEMBER, IT WAS THE MUSLIMS WHO INVADED AND MURDERED THE CHRISTIAN PEOPLE-THIS WAS THE REASON FOR THE CRUSADES-TO SAVE THE PEOPLE AND TAKE BACK THE LANDS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY CHRISTIAN.

Posted by: MIMI at February 11, 2006 01:23 PM (tYeJl)

68 Fuck the muslims fuck islam what a bunch of pricks

Posted by: Paul at February 11, 2006 02:12 PM (zGLz5)

69 Nice tolerance. Oh yeah, and Bunkerbuster is a cunt!

Posted by: Ha at February 11, 2006 04:18 PM (EGRti)

70 TOLERANCE? Maybe you should try living in a community suffocated by muslims who hate your very existence-they torch our vehicles (90,000 to be exact) and attack the crippled and burn them alive as they are screaming for help. TOLERANCE? WHY?? We have to witness our children being attacked in the schools because they are not muslim. We support them with our taxes and build housing to appease their constant whining that they are being mistreated and ignored. Yet, they come to our communities with no job skills and refuse to speak the language, how can they get a job with a second grade education? They are allowed to have four wives for each man and as many concubines they can fuck-thus producing a population crisis, since in the Koran they teach them everything else on how to kill, but not how to swollow! It is alright for their imam to tell them that the jews eat little children but to depict a pedophile-murdering-thief in a C-A-R-T-O-O-N is enough for these islamofascits to threaten the western world with another 9-11 is worthy of TOLERANCE??? Go fuck yourself, and we all hope you never breed you self-rightous wanna-be do-gooder the whole is a happy place idiot.

Posted by: FATWA ON MO' at February 11, 2006 04:38 PM (tYeJl)

71 where do you live fatwa?

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 05:09 PM (ySh44)

72 Man i got Islamophobia by there protest and bycott, i think it would be a big favor for us, if islamic countries break all contact and stay in there middleeast desert, fucking sheeps and riding camels, this will be good for our societies,(western and eastern{India, china, asia pacific and so on}) as before entering our world they have to learn basic paradigims of humanity... including right to freedom, and giving basic equality to all humans

Posted by: perfektm at February 11, 2006 05:12 PM (j+N6i)

73 HI EVERYONE OUT THERE, I THINK ITS NOT ONLY ME, BUT EVERYONE OUT THERE IS PISSED OF BY THESE STUPID PRIMITIVE APES {MUSLIMS } I DECIDED TO READ THE WHOLE TEXT FORM ABOVE AND FOUND SOME PRIMITIVE APES ALSO VISITED THIS SO 1ST REPLY THERE QUESTIONS BEFORE THEY PUT A NEW FATWA AND ONE MORE BOMBATTACK; THEN I M BACK TO MY HUMANS; mimi asked "THIS IS INCREDIBLE TO SEE ALL THESE "WHACK-A-DOOS" OUT PROTESTING "EN MASSE", DON'T ANY OF THESE PEOPLE WORK???" answer : MIMI ITS WEEKEND; THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FREE HERE FOR US;BUT BY THE WAY HOW U GET UR MONEY TO LIVE. -> BY ROBBING UP OTHERS OR BY KILLING AND LOOTING, I MEAN UR GOVT. DONT GIVE MONEY TO YOU, THEN HOW U MANAGED TO COME ONLINE; ONE MORE THING MIMI........... U WILL NOT FIND A SHEEP HERE, SO U CAN CHOOSE A BETTER NAME THEN MIMI anyways there are a lot of wakeup calls, a lot of anger, but the main approach is still missing to let get unite, somewhere already initiated at my side, but need a support from all of u, we alone cant do anything but if we all unite can form a preassure on our stupid politicians, to make it in right way, i have indian roots and i m also a hindu as AJAX above, but i think AJAX missed the read story, indian media dont tell anything at all inside india, we even dont know completely about holocaust, did i say holocaust... we even dont know about hindu-holocaust (Largest in human history, not kidding) why because indian govt. want to secure there votebank of 20% muslims, on name of peace between different religion's. the main thing here is hiding and , this means this time one more contry is facing black age, please help me to stop it, as i dont want to see 2nd generation of islam evolving from india. i m in europe and also i also attend sunday christian prayers as well as synagoge... but is it all, we have to do something but not like this, i want to unite all of us, we can for all our govt to go hand to hand... i m no more in india, but indian NRI play a big role, u know money plays sometimes... and rest can be dont by others, here we have Americans, australians and so on.. perhaps we all can go hand in hand, making petitions and so on.. this will build not only international preassure by local preassure too, if u all want to join and support this idea just email me at perfektm-at-gmail-dot-com (just to get rid of spams so using this convention) as being united we can at least make our multicultural world toughther

Posted by: perfektm at February 11, 2006 05:52 PM (j+N6i)

74 The jihad began with the prophet (Muhammed) 1400 years ago and continues to this very day. We in the west are generally not aware of this. Even moderate muslims are conditioned (perhaps subliminally) to the ultimate goal of world wide dominance of Shiara (koranic law). Truth, logic and (apparent) promises of negotiation mean nothing. They are merely agents towards achieving the ultimate victory of the Dar al Islam (world of Islam and "peace") over the Dar al Harb (world of discord and infedels).

Posted by: Jerrold Terdiman at February 11, 2006 06:18 PM (2BkKv)

75 Islam is a complete joke. What kind of prophet do these people worship that can't withstand a few scriblings on paper. Islam is pathetic! Islamic newpapers make the Jews look evil on a daily basis. Islam can dish it out but cannot take it! What a bunch of dysfunctional, pathetic vile savages! Fuck Islam!

Posted by: Ames Tiedeman at February 11, 2006 07:04 PM (YDuWp)

76 Just what the hell is this "perfektm" trying to say? And to prove you're a hypocrit - why are you picking on a name? mimi-is a spoof name you genius. You are "trying" to preach tolerance and god knows what else but you are pety enough to vent about a name, first a cartoon, now a name. You have no idea about what you are venting about. I have the ability to go on-line just like you do. You are trying to posture as self-righteous and intelligent, but to no avail. If you want people to unite, remember what has happened in Europe, Europe has tried and tried to practice integration and tolerance of the multi-culture, but to no avail. Now we have rioting, burning, looting and constant threats of attacks by moslum youths (remember, this is the second generation moslums who are doing this) their parents were tolerant and accepting to integrate in a new culture. Now we have the imams who take advantage of the youths and preach their anger and hate and tell them to go riot and vandalize and murder, there is a lot of intolerance, hate and anger in the moslum world towards western culture and civilization and it is only growing stronger. It seems only natural that this feeling is to be reciprocated towards moslumfacists who want to impose their will on the country they are trying to practice a "reverse crusade" upon. We know very well they practice female castration on their little girls in Europe because plenty of these little victims end up in emergency rooms from hemorraghing and/or shock due to infection. Yeah, keep on telling me about this "lovely" ideology of hate. Wake Up!!!

Posted by: MIMI at February 11, 2006 07:16 PM (tYeJl)

77 OUT EM OF THE UK

Posted by: robert at February 11, 2006 07:51 PM (ruM8r)

78 FUCK MOHAMMED, BURN HIS HEAD.

Posted by: BURN ISLAM at February 11, 2006 08:01 PM (ruM8r)

79 Anyone notice how the Muslims seem to be going crazy in every country, but no protest in the US (except for the talking heads on TV)? I believe that by living here, US Muslims have become civilized enough that they know that's not how to handle a problem... -- Also, A LOT of Muslims believe 9/11 was a US Gov and Jewish conspriacy. But did you see the protester with the sign that read "Europe-You're 9/11 is Coming"...al-Lucy...you have some 'splainin' to do!!!

Posted by: Tim S at February 11, 2006 08:22 PM (dlO3d)

80 mimi, i think perfektm is in agreement that islamic intifada's are wrong, he just wants everyone to unite together in a big happy circle of friendship which is so impossible it should not be mentioned here. No, we gave peace a chance. To any radical islamists out there. You dont know the trouble you are bringing on your own. If people like amadinejhad keep running there mouth and threating us with nonproliferation, that sandbox you call a home is going to be a 4000 square mile glass parking lot before all is said and done. You assholes could have done whatever you wanted with iraq by now if you would have just let us rebuild it and leave. But now we aint leavin until the peace is made(never). You say you want us out of iraq, you are keeping us there you stupid fucks. And you know why no one listens to most of your allegations of abuse, occupation, and strife? its because everytime a muslim stubs his toe on the street, you burn flags and effigies and toss gas bombs at embassies. Now, you are picking on countries like france, denmark, and norway who have been very tolerant of your culture and religion while everyone else has had it with you. Good job on burning your bridges eveywhere you go. Everyday you create more enemies cuz everyone is tired of your propoganda and lies, No peaceful god would produce the hatred coming from muslims all over the earth, especially in the past week. Now, all civilized countries , even the EU, will begin to turn their backs on you, one by one, until your the ones being boycotted.

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 08:47 PM (PUGW9)

81 funny, LOL, tim s

Posted by: realist at February 11, 2006 08:49 PM (PUGW9)

82 BS"D Kinda puts those tepid cartoons in perspective, as well as proving them right, if not anywhere near harsh enough.. Nice job..

Posted by: yonason at February 11, 2006 09:40 PM (tO9V8)

83 Ah...our we all burning with the 'peace of islam' yet? I agree with 'fight islam now' fuck mohammed and allah. Give them what them seem to want so badly...death. Deport these vermin out of our country back to where they came from, and then get rid of as many as we can.

Posted by: simone at February 11, 2006 10:27 PM (uON+I)

84 "realist", thanks for the translation, that was a tough one to translate. Your viewpoint is 100% on the truth. Thanks for a clear-headed and honest to the point view. All these bastards do is snivel and whine, well then join the 21st century and get out of the dark ages!! We cannot let them win, then we will be going back in history and would have achived nothing with the deaths of our ancestors who fought for the freedoms of speech, religion, and even for a woman to walk around WITHOUT a potatoe sack on her head. These people are controlling, manipulative and totally exploitive of any venue which will give them a way to trodden our culture and beliefs that our ancestors fought to achieve. WAKE UP AND JOIN THE RESISTENCE!!!

Posted by: MIMI at February 11, 2006 11:07 PM (JTcR2)

85 I have read with great interest all of the posts since mine as of yesterday, and all of those since 2/10. I am greatly impressed with the majority of posters. It really seems as if the "world" as represented by the diverse nationalities here at Jawa is fed up with Islamic Fascism. They will not "go away" they will not "moderate" they have an agenda, it has been spoken and written. They want to destroy the West and subjugate same. The threat is greater than German Nazism. That was fomented by just one relativly small nation whereas "Islamism" is multi-national. We can all wank away here in cyberspace about how fucked the whole situation is, but damn lets do something in real time. Speak out when you are in public, in the grocery, at the bank, at work, wake up those you can. Write, call, harass, cajole etc.your elected officals to not give in and get your nation ready to get on the offensive with these people in your lands and in their homelands. Support a BAN ON IMMIGRATION FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES in your homelands. Support deportation for those that are sponging off of your society. Arm yourselves and prepare to defend yourselves and all you hold dear if you live amongst them.

Posted by: Montana Infidel at February 11, 2006 11:08 PM (j3c+c)

86 People are waking up; Europe, this is not a contridiction that I speak: Against the muslims; Against the Jews! That's right; against both of their sorry asses. Global war against zion! White intifada! Indigenous White people are the palestinians of Europe, riot against BUSHISRAEL! Justice for the US Liberty!

Posted by: Fight ZOG now! at February 11, 2006 11:27 PM (xeQJ3)

87 The hell with the Islamist facist for how long will the free world let the muslims keep us in fair of them? while they keep getting larger and larger making greater and greater demmands on ut to take away our freedoms. THE media and our politcians are all sell outs to our way of life. Mohammed was a cold hearted murder&rapist Married to many many wifes and one 9 year old hes a baby fucker he also married his own sons wife claiming Allah said it was ok because Allah knew mohammed lusted for his Own sons wife. the man is Evil and anti christ...No mercy or love in his heart. That's why hos followers are the same way. the fruit doesn't fall far from the teee.

Posted by: freedom at February 12, 2006 01:33 AM (Ffvoi)

88 DOWN WITH ISLAM; MAN U SEEN THEIR SIGNS? ISLAM WILL RULE EUROPE KILL BEHEAD MURDER WHO EVER INSULTS ISLAM ALL IN BRAITAN BY MUSLIMS? MAN THEY WILL IF WE DON'T WAKE UP AND FIGHT BACK AND SPEAK UP AND STOP GIVING INTO THIS MONSTER SATANIC CULT OF ISLAM. THEY WON'T GIVE UP UNTIL THEY MAKE THE WORLD MUSLIM THATS THEIR RELIGION. THEY WANT US ALL TO GO BACK TO THE ARAB DESERT OF THE 7TH CENTURY....DO U WOMEN WANT TO BE SLAVES AGAIN? IF SO ISLAM IS FOR U. IF NOT AND U LIKE YOUR FREEDOM INDEPENDENCE FIGHT BACK, WHY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE WEST KEEP SILENT AND SUPPORT THE MUSLIMS? WHEN ANY ONE WITH HALF A BRAIN KNOWS THE MUSLIMS WANT THE WORLD UNDER THE ISLAMIC BANNER..THE ISLAMIC RELIGION TEACHES THEM TO ALWAYS FIGHT TO MAKE THE WORLD ISLAMIC NO MATTER WHAT. EVEN BY WAR.ISLAM IS NOT CHRISTIANY TEACHING LOVE AND PEACE..MOHAMMED SAID KILL THEM UTNIL NONBODY WOSHIPS NOTING BUT HIM. ISLAM IS DEATH TO THE FREE HUMAN SOUL......IF U LIKE DEATH U LOVE ISLAM FIGHT FOR LIFE DEFEAT ISLAM...

Posted by: defender at February 12, 2006 01:48 AM (Ffvoi)

89 Anyone notice how the Muslims seem to be going crazy in every country, but no protest in the US (except for the talking heads on TV)? I believe that by living here, US Muslims have become civilized enough that they know that's not how to handle a problem... Or it could be the Citizens in the U.S back their free speech with a couple of fellows called Smith and Wesson / Heckler and Koch, in Europe of course they can't so much as defend themselves from violence, let alone their freedom. The only thing Muslims would prove by burning people's property in this country would be Darwin's theory.

Posted by: dave at February 12, 2006 01:50 AM (CcXvt)

90 MIMI and REALISTIC and all of u, if u think that killing al muslim will solve this, then remember if u even plan a step, ur own govt will be ur enemy, your own protection system(police) will bring u down, 1st step in this process should be to unite and bring our countries out of this islamophobia, ok tell me how many of EU countries stand next to denmark, if EU is so united, EU can also break all ties with all islamic countries, like what all islamic countries have done, man we are not united, if we all have same enemy then why not get united to fight them, putin support hamas is a good example, why we need unity, if we all are united our govt. will be forced to support each other, not islamic nations ..... best example of such support to islam is here 1. "Australia Cracks Down on Rioters, Unless They're Muslim" URL : http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/154101.php or u want to hear freedom of speech, so see this 2. "Sweden shutdown news website on cartoons" check on bbc, i cant use url completely so use news-dot-bbc-dot-co-dot-uk and then /2/hi/europe/4700414.stm or just see a few days back comment from chirac, dont be muslims, we are Human's , we think and then take step, remember we think, dont take any step which make us weak, we dont have to fight our govt. but we have to make them change to meet our requirments... Hope now u got my point, and thats why i want all of us to unite, in a way that when ever we see something going wrong in our countries which is promoting islamic mentality, we all can stand toughther, and say our govt to request the other to condem that.... it works in a read good way, as soon as we all reach a unity then we can think of something else... right now we are nothing just a handful of crazy people who no one will support, even if something happens to u, no one from this whole group will support u, let islam see what they want, they do something wrong in one corner of globe, they must get a slap till other side of globe, lets reply back with there policy... ---------now some tension releasing doses--------- what is the difference between a MUSLIM EGO AND A SHEEP? NONE! THEY BOTH HAVE INFLATED BALLS! WHAT DO ISLAM AND ISLAMB HAVE IN COMMON? ONE IS A LAM, THE OTHER IS A LAMB! THEY BOTH WORSHIP SHEEPS! WHAT DOES A MUSLIM AND A BOMB HAVE IN COMMON? THEY BOTH EXPLODE! WHAT DOES THE KORAN AND KAMU SUTRA HAVE IN COMMON? BOTH TEACHES TO GET ON ALL FOURS! WHAT FEATURES DO MUHAMMED AND A BOWLING BALL HAVE IN COMMON? THEY BOTH LOOK LIKE A BOMB! WHICH BEARD IS LONGER, MUHAMMEDS, OSAMA BIN LADEN, OR A GOAT? NEITHER, THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME. THEY GET THE SAME HAIRCUT FROM THE SAME BARBER OR BARBERIAN WHO IS MORE OPEN? AN ASSHOLE OR A MUSLIM? AN ASSHOLE, AN ASSHOLE LETS EVERYONE IN, A MUSLIM DON'T LET ANYBODY IN. WHAT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO A MUSLIM? FREEDOM TO DIE! WHY DO MUSLIMS TAKE MORE THAN THEY GIVE CAUSE THEY ARE USED TO BLOWING EACH OTHER UP I GUESS THAT MEANS THEY ACCEPT BEING GAY! WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MUHAMMED AND A COWARD? THEY'RE THE SAME, A MUSLIM! at last to all of u AllahHuFuckbar MIMI sorry i thought you are more stupid muslim

Posted by: perfektm at February 12, 2006 07:12 AM (j+N6i)

91 In the interest of fairness, here are some truly moderate Muslims, who deserve our support: http://www.freemuslims.org/ They're a good group; though not nearly large or vocal enough, i'm afraid, to make much of a difference at this point, considering the wretched mess that Islam as a whole has been allowed to become.

Posted by: Thomas Paladino at February 12, 2006 10:11 AM (G0tXH)

92 The shame is the liberals here is the WEST have convinced the masses that everyone is EQUAL. How do we fight this war against ISLAM when people now believe everyone is EQUAL? Equality is a myth, but the masses do not believe this. What needs to be done cannot be done: All MUSLIMS need to be expelled from the west. ALL MUSLIMS must be segregated from the rest of humanity. Will this ever happen? No. And it is so sad that is will never happen. We are watching the fall of WESTERN MAN right before our very eyes...

Posted by: Ames Tiedeman at February 12, 2006 12:21 PM (YDuWp)

93 To Perfektm: No, definitely NOT a musi, but a victim of this "jihad". My brother was beaten and stomped to death in Strasburg by a group of muslim youths. This is happening all over Europe-random attacks on innocent citizens. He was studying law. So there is and will never be tolerance and acceptance for a culture which breeds hateful, useless scum who attack citizens because they do not follow their perverted views on an ideology of hate. JOIN THE RESISTENCE - IT IS GROWING AND WE NEED MORE STRENGTH TO FIGHT THE "INVADERS".

Posted by: MIMI at February 12, 2006 12:23 PM (NFLPP)

94 Brilliant point/idea Demosophist. IMHO the best of the thread so far. Pity the media is not even aware (let alone meaningfully engaged) in their own survival. No clue they themselves (and not "Cheney's Halliburton mercenaries") are on the front line this time, and there are real enemies (not the strawmen of the "Bush cabal") against whom they must think and cooperate strategically in order to survive. [Demosophist] But, I maintain that if the Western press had stated a specific policy that the only reason they weren't going to publish the cartoons was to provide "moderate" Muslims a forum that wouldn't compromise them, and that if no such muslims came forward within X amount of time they'd just publish in solidarity with Denmark, the result would have been to provide cover for the anti-extremists. And cover for themselves, too. When "moderate" Muslims - inevitably - didn't come forward, and hundreds of publications went forward in unison with a barrage of cartoons, the media's position would have been unassailable (at least from Western criticism over "sensitivity toward mainstream Muslims"). Also, the contention that "there *is* a moderate Islam that respects Western norms of society" would have been tested, one way or the other, for all to see. By stating no such policy, and simply being proper Dhimmi, they've not only dishonored themselves but forced any real moderates (assuming there are some) into hiding and persecution. Agree. Though whether a "Muslim" who is sufficiently moderate to coexist with us in good faith is still following Mohammed's writings in letter *or* spirit is a topic for another thread...

Posted by: sa at February 12, 2006 01:15 PM (ba4HX)

95 sorry o Hear that MIMI, i can understand, my ancestors have to suffer a lot due to muslims, they killed a lot of hindu's, and still they are killing them, there are still genocides running in islamic countries to kill non-muslim's, but i can't belive in straÃƒÂŸburg, its not too far from me, i am in freiburg, i can feel your pain, and its more than me, at last i had never seen my those ancestor's but you hav lost your brother, i m joining you in this resistance.... JOIN THE RESISTENCE - IT IS GROWING AND WE NEED MORE STRENGTH TO FIGHT THE "INVADERS"

Posted by: perfektm at February 12, 2006 01:51 PM (j+N6i)

96 Hey Just a Idea, What u think, as we all know, we ban all those things in our country, which promotes terror attack's , check this "Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Qur'an, Sura 9:5 dont you think its enough to ban Quran in west if taken court approach ...... LOL

Posted by: perfektm at February 12, 2006 01:55 PM (j+N6i)

97 This is the kind of protests you will never see in the daily birdcage linners of from the talking heads

Posted by: sandpiper at February 12, 2006 02:09 PM (08Fdo)

98 Hey yeah that should be enough to ban it

also check this site out guys!!! http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/ Jim.

Posted by: Jim at February 12, 2006 03:44 PM (rByZX)

99 thanks for the site. i have seen it all now and fear that there is no end to this, we can laugh and joke about all these sites and cartoons but the truth is that, here in South Africa at least, we are banned from seeing these cartoons now in our press. after a very short court case with a few thousand muslim protesters outside (cape town). for the first time since appartheid ended in 1994, our (south african) freedoms are gone! what is next, will they force me to eat hallal next? live and let live, please leave us alone

Posted by: dam at February 12, 2006 04:17 PM (p9BSo)

100 Dave is right, the only reason they haven't been pitching a bitch here over those stupid cartoons is because a lot of us out there would give them a fuckin' shot gun or rifle up their muslim ass. My husband and I have been telling people about the deal with islam around where we live...because...unfortunately...the people in the area we live in have a mentality that it doesn't affect them because it isn't here. We are doing our best to dispel that ignorant thinking. Because, even in BFE USA, this shit WILL affect EVERYONE if we don't nip it in the bud now! I am a woman who cherishes her rights...and I don't wish to be treated like I'm property...or worse. I hate violence folks, but me and me mate aren't pacifists. we have no problems with getting rid of a major problem that puts our whole way of life in peril. DEATH TO ISLAM!

Posted by: simone at February 12, 2006 05:07 PM (uON+I)

101 u r right simone, you know the 3rd largest tÃƒÂ¼rkish city, guess what? Berlin.. yes Berlin in Germany, they have so many TÃƒÂ¼rk and they are here from years still not even accepted german language, i am in europe from last 2 years i can speak german now, i dont know why they can't the main thing is they only want to put there faith and culture on us, but never want to accept our open cultures, this is a real threat now, i am indian by root, but have seen they have dont voilence in india too, though they contribute only 20% of indans... i will blame govt's which have islamophobia and are afraid of muslims, check http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/154101.php u will be shocked by this news

Posted by: perfektm at February 12, 2006 05:31 PM (4HTIB)

102 Dam... And the judge that passed that ruling is a muslim... no one had taken up the cugel to fight the ruling either... the south african press and politicians are all dimmis... sad but true. Our so called freedom is only freedom when it suits the ANC. There can never be racial harmony while the goverment practices afirmative action either.

Posted by: RobC at February 13, 2006 12:53 PM (KsjKj)

103 If Western free speech is terrorism as claimed in one of the signs above, then what is the expression of Muslim rage?

Posted by: Mike's America at February 13, 2006 09:35 PM (SHL+1)

104 DESTROY Islam before it destroys YOU!

Posted by: ex-muslim at February 14, 2006 03:05 PM (MAWUG)

105 Hello. Im going to ignore the ignorant comments on this site. Cause those ppl are just as bad as the idiots lighting kfc on fire. For those of you who are somewhat intelligent, and are as flabbergasted with all this cartoon crap as I am. Id like to say a few words. I am muslim. I think these protestors are bigger idiots than you think. But unfortunately, the press never prints my words. they only prints the words of psycos who support bin laden. Islam has been taken over by POWER HUNGRY MEN, from the second the Prophet died. and that is the sad truth. Its been 1400 years, and the religion is still under hostage, by pscyo bearded me, who just want power, and brain wash everyone to believe what they say is true. The sader reality is, that the quran mentions Jesus and Moses as many if not More times than it mentions the Prophet. Islam today, is a sad sad reality, Jesus and Mohammed must be looking down thinking what a bunch of losers. Allah (for those of you who are unbelievably ignorant) is God, Allah aka God aka the almighty aka the guy upstairs. Muslims are so power hungry that they killed Mohammed's own grandson for it. So you can imagine how senseless it all is. All im saying is dont blame Jesus, for what Bush is doing. Dont Blame Mohammed for what Osama is doing. A plea from a SECULAR WESTERNIZED MUSLIM

Posted by: mariam at February 14, 2006 09:14 PM (7CI8W)

106 Please give peace a chance! Every one have the right to talk but not to critisize others. Take things moderately.

Posted by: sidambaram at February 15, 2006 03:43 AM (gKTYq)

107 To all Muslims: Your culture and people were decieved by a mad man named Mohammad many centuries ago. Mohammad established a "cult of personality" that was inflicted on his homeland and the lands that Muslims conquered and has endured unto this day. This cult is not unlike the cults the world has seen in modern times surrounding people like Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Joseph Smith, Kim Il Song, Kim Jong Il, David Korsesh, Jim Jones etc, etc. The problem with cults is that the longer they endure the more they are "accepted" yet they are still nothing more than the day they they were established. (Example: The Mormon Church, a "cult of personality" that fled to the hinterlands of the Utah desert after being run out of the settled lands of the east and flourished out of sight of civilization.) Explore the the history of your "religion" and search your soul and you will see the truth. The World will not see Peace and Muslim lands will not become part of a peaceful worldwide civilization until those that have been brainwashed by the sins of mad man; reject him and his cult. After your eyes have been opened encourage others to open theirs. Peace will prevail when the enemy is defeated.

Posted by: Montana Infidel at February 15, 2006 02:29 PM (TeKg5)

108 Mr INFIDEL. Im sorry that you have no idea what ur talking about. You said...DEAR MUSLIMS, YOUR CULTURE AND PEOPLE.... Um...Muslims have about 50 different cultures... thats why they keep killing each other. and um....If there was no Mohammed thered be no Muslims...so to address Muslims and then tell them that their people were hijacked by the founder....ugh... makes no sense. Second of all...Islam was hijacked by 3 guys. Omar Farooqi, Osman and Abu Bakr, the moment Mohammed died. and 90% of the protesters are following in these 3 guys footsteps. THAT IS THE BIGGEST HIDDEN TRUTH OF ISLAM. and the other 10% of the protesters are following in KHOMEINIS footsteps. NO ONE IS FOLLOWING MOHAMMED. NO ONE AT ALL. so stop taking it out on him, its like blaming jesus for what the american soldiers did in abu ghraib....its illiterate. so pls get facts right. else rename this blog...."BLOG FOR PPL WHO KNOW NOTHING"

Posted by: mariam at February 15, 2006 07:51 PM (7CI8W)

109 Mariam and other Muslims In order: 1. "Your culture" meant expressly ALL Muslim cultures 2. I didn't say "hijacked" I said "Decieved" Mohammad was a FALSE PROPHET, just like the many false prophets before and after him, sorry to inform you. He created a movement, a cult whatever you want to call it to benefit himself and control others. Look into it, there are numerous sites, books etc. that chronicle the founding of Islam and its falsehood. 3. Yes, after Mohammed died others even more corrupt than the founder took over the religion to consolidate power amongst themselves. 4. The basic premise of Islam, the teachings of the "prophet" etc. hold no tolerance for any other religion, (not that I am religous and could care less what another believes, as long as its premise allows me to live my life unencumbered by anothers beliefs) but when you have a "religion" of intolerance, a religion that in its texts (in many instances)calls for the death or subjugation of all non-believers no matter what some "moderate" Muslims may say you have an institution that can not co-exist peacefully with the rest of the world. 5. If we, meaning all persons concerned for peace in the world, could snap our fingers and make all of the fanatics in the world of Islam disappear in the next second the world would see a time of relative peace, but only for a short time. The teachings of the texts of Islam would again corrupt future generations of would-be-fanatics and we would be in the same situation again, restore the Caliphate, subjugate all non-muslims, live in the 7th century, put women in burkas, "honor killings" etc. It is a snake that eats its' own tail. 6. Believing that Islam can exist in the world harmoniously with others and that it was only corrupted by corrupt and evil followers of the "prophet" is like saying that National Socialism in Germany in the 20's and 30's, a movement that put the population back to work after WW1 and the Great Depression was a benevolent movement that was "hijacked" by a few "bad apples", would be ludicrous, it's not so, it (Nazism)in itself was an evil and corrupt death cult at its' heart also. Find something else to believe in, I could care less what, leave Islam like millions of enlightened others have and encourage others to do likewise. Things can change, one person at a time, it's the only option other than World War. Think and you shall be free.

Posted by: Montana Infidel at February 16, 2006 01:22 PM (lCnfH)

110 Hello Infidel. To claim that Mohammed was a false prophet, is basically opening doors to claiming that any prophet was a false prophet, line of books mention prophets before them, ie, torah...then bible...then koran...then whatever. So I mean to say Mohammad is a load of crap, you might as well say that Noah was a lunatic, Moses had hallucinations, and Jesus was a Magician. I'm not the most religious person in the world. But Religion is that....BELIEF. theres no proof of anything. not that noah had an ark that moses parted the sea that jesus was born of a virgin or that mohammad was gods prophet or even that krishna walked the earth! The Quran has statements in it like... you know...kill the infidels....blah blah but I mean who knows who wrote the quran, or the bible, or the torah, or the geeta, or anything. My point is, if you BELIEVE that Mohammad was a Prophet, then you have to believe that everyone else was too. If you believe that Jesus was born of from the Virgins womb....then you gotta believe everything is possible. Its very possible, that Mohammad and his message have been totally MESSED and MIS CONSTRUED. infact thats my point. These idiots who protest, dont even know anything, they dont read anything, the believe what their paretns and idiot leaders say...even the Quran has different interpretations, but they interpret it the way they feel like, so whose to say they didnt change what they wanted..... OH THE QURAN IS COMPLETE AND UNCHANGED... but really who knows....no one. My point was that you were very quick to blame it all on MOHAMMAD and his messed up ways. the quran was compiled after he died....and Osman asked ppl...hey what did Mohammed say...wait lemme right that down...oh ya? he said that too? oh ok lemme get that too.... Religion itself....its just blind belief. Either you believe there were prophets, or you believe there werent. you cant just blame one guy for the messed up minds of millions. i agree theyve turned islam into a cult. but that doesnt mean thats what it was supposed to have been. -m

Posted by: mariam at February 16, 2006 09:23 PM (7CI8W)

111 I find is strange that the billboard were created so that Americans can read it. haha. Another staged protest by American paid Muslums.

Posted by: the truth? at February 22, 2006 03:42 AM (0JMG3)

112 It seems that one important thing to realize is prophethood requires two or three witnesses. As does anything else by law. Mohammad has himself and his own word. The Quran admits this as his evidence. It is the soul evidence of prophethood. I see it as one thing, one witness not two or three. Next, the preservation of the Quran could be a self-fulfilling prophesy just because you believe he was a prophet. It does not prove such. It could be kept by human means. The Bible for example can be accurately traced to the second century in all but 9 verses in the NT. Furthermore, Christians and Jews have kept the OT independantly for 2000years. There are no alteration here either for just as long as the Quran has been around. They would not go unnoticed either. No one would allow the other to corrupt the text openly. Yet, this doesn't say much. The Quran says that there is evidence in the Christian injil and torah of Mohammad. As for prophecies, I see none in the NT that need fulfilling by Mohammad. As the Quran says. Mohammad didn't know his NT. (The only one he could fulfill is the antichrist.) Some quote the verse in John about a helper/comforter/teacher. Read the context, it is a spirit who convicts the world not a prophet who has bodily form! The OT I am sure could be construed to support Mohammad but there is a question if the Christ of Christianity fulfilled it or a Coming messiah of Judaism. It is too ambiguous for evidence. It must be specific. Christ fulfilled 103 prophecies in the OT in the narratives about his life. Mohammad maybe just a few. Mohammad's witness is singular only upon the Quran and the narrative of his life. The narrative is sketchy because it shows his family and friends thought he was possessed. Whoops. Finally do you believe all the original battles of Islam were defensive. It is quite defensive to spread from the middle east to Spain in about one century. It is your duty to "prove" it is not a radical religion. A religion cannot escape its beginnings.

Posted by: dave at February 23, 2006 01:02 PM (O7MAz)

113 Muck Fuslims

Posted by: celestial at February 24, 2006 03:09 AM (cwlpC)

114 What about the x-muslim turned christian in afgana-stain that is being tried for carrying a bible. Sentence is death. Now that's the difference between a muslin martyr and a christian martyr. The christian is beheaded for taking a stand not to bow down and worship a false god. The muslim takes out as many unbelievers as he can. Which one do you think the one and only will stand by. As for as I care I don't want to live by someone so intolerant that they can't love the christian - Jew - muslim brother from the same Father.

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Mohammed Cartoon T-Shirt

A new t-shirt featuring the image below, which seems to be regarded as the most inflammatory of the notorious Danish cartoons, is available for sale.

From PRWeb:

(PRWEB) February 8, 2006 -- To see the latest creation from conservative t-shirt maker MetroSpy some would think the Muslim world had every right to be upset. MetroSpy's new t-shirts depict an unflattering caricature of the prophet Mohammed with a bomb on his head.
Â“We can't let the terrorists win. We can not encourage this uncivilized behavior by caving in to their wishes,Â” said Nate Thomas, product manager for MetroSpy.

Good luck trying to get Metrospy's webpage to load. The apparent popularity of this product suggests some spin-offs might generate income.

Muslims are, of course, outraged.

They should be happy no one has come with truly offensive products, like these: more...

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1 I'd definetly buy a bombhead bong. Here's some other ideas: Bombhead Bobblehead Mr. Mohammed Head (with different bomb hats and fuse shoes)

Posted by: ideaguy at February 10, 2006 02:21 PM (de9IK)

2 My favorite is still Muhammad toilet paper, every sheet embossed with an image of Allah's prophet.

Posted by: Exador at February 10, 2006 02:36 PM (/Cphx)

3 So, is "KW" getting his fair cut of the proceeds? If so, I'll take a couple dozen...

Posted by: mojo at February 10, 2006 02:48 PM (J18pj)

4 I just realized... The fertile imaginations of Come-Get-Some's, "Told ya so" end-o-the-world enthusiasts (gun or religeous document toting, matters not) and depopulationists now have their long awaited "lit fuse". I'm none of the above but I have a charicature in my skull that would surely doom humanity's future given the flame and fuel already involved. Unfortunately, I have a time-tested theory that if I can think it, someone else will do the same. So, I'll shut up and hope that the fire burns itself out. Judging by the intensity of the fuse's flame, I'm not holding my breath. It turns out that one CAN save civilization by doing nothing more that looking and shaking one's head. Dammit! My STFU subroutine is buggy!

Posted by: Kol at February 10, 2006 03:00 PM (MJaGJ)

5 Bluto, a Turbomb on a prophelactic. If that is not fatwa worthy, then just what the hell is it going to take?

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 10, 2006 03:35 PM (rUyw4)

6 So do homosexuals and priests raping little boys buy condoms with Jesus pictures on them? http://imran.com/media/blog/2006/02/lets-make-new-cartoons-of-prophet.html

Posted by: Imran Anwar at February 10, 2006 03:47 PM (R9DJp)

7 You guys try really hard to be offensive dont you? This is just so silly.

Posted by: jamal at February 10, 2006 03:49 PM (HEU5E)

8 Well done, Bluto! That's up there with my Mohammed sex toys and swag shop. butt-PBUH

Posted by: Aaron's cc: at February 10, 2006 03:56 PM (ov6Vw)

9 No, jamal, we are showing you that you cannot silence us. That is not silly at all, because you will not tell us what we can or can't do.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 10, 2006 04:09 PM (rUyw4)

10 mother F*ing Halarious. thank you.

Posted by: greg at February 10, 2006 04:14 PM (2pocP)

11 i think it is funny that people are so mad. people make jokes on jesus and christians dont start rioting. heres a joke why was jesus popular with the ladies? because he was hung like this (out stretch arms) ha ha

Posted by: john hoekstra at February 10, 2006 05:12 PM (f9iPB)

12 Shucks, Jamal, that's not offensive--this is offensive... Trident D-5 test firing Understand the difference, now?

Posted by: Mike James at February 10, 2006 05:23 PM (BJYNn)

13 do you know what INRI stands on the paper above jesus on the cross? Im Nailed Right In Dont go blowing up stuff now all you christian fanatics.

Posted by: john hoekstra at February 10, 2006 05:25 PM (f9iPB)

14 I want to see 1. Absolut Mohammed 2. Madonna, "Prophet don't preach" and "Like Aisha" and last but my favorite... 3. An official NFL pigskin football with the bombhead Mohammed on it. "Throw the long bomb with Mo!" Pangloss

Posted by: Pangloss at February 10, 2006 08:11 PM (qF4Fm)

15 please stop It!!!!!!!! he is Not like that!! read about his life and then you will see the deffirents, please stop make fun of My relegion, we are respect you and your relegion and You have to respect our relegion thanks.

Posted by: Suha at February 10, 2006 08:26 PM (bAp+d)

16 I thought muslims were brought up to only recognise their own religion? How can you respect something you deny existance? Peeps are right tho - the tiniest mention of anything and that little van with 500 ak47 firin lunatics pulls up on some corner and burns a few flags or dummies. cmon get a grip - this is 2006 not 1066 I am not racist nor do i have a religion, but out of all the religions i have seen you guys are just so intent on hatred for the west. If you cant act civilised then leave the west - simple.

Posted by: Infidel_Smiff at February 10, 2006 08:41 PM (hHz6i)

17 get a grop shusha - no one has to do anything - isnt that why you guys are blowing yourselves up

Posted by: chrsi at February 10, 2006 08:42 PM (TMXlU)

18 Muslims must leave the West or their fate will be bad. Remember what happened to muslims at Malta. They all died. All you muslims leave before your fate turn bad for you.

Posted by: Templar knight of Malta at February 10, 2006 09:03 PM (rUyw4)

19 Do you Muslims know how truly stupid and uncivilized you appear to the rest of the World? What in the name of God are you doing to yourselves? You act as if you are nothing but a bunch of ignorant cavemen, and then you wonder why people think you are all crazy. Good God, get a grip on yourselves, and if any of you Muslims have any sense at all, do something about the ignorance of your people.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 10, 2006 09:15 PM (rUyw4)

20 It is interesting that Muslims think that if they blow themselves up they will go to heaven and have 21 virgins. There's no sex in heaven - that's why they're virgins. If you don't like the USA, leave. If you don't like the Jews why do you want their land?

Posted by: Deputy Dog at February 10, 2006 09:18 PM (9JyWG)

21 Suha-- In what fashion, in what place, at what time, do Muslims respect other religions?

Posted by: Mike James at February 10, 2006 10:06 PM (BJYNn)

22 Here are some Dutch pictures to join in the chorus. Warning!! http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C

Posted by: Orange Tiger at February 10, 2006 11:13 PM (AlFBO)

23 Where's the Wine-aholic Piss Mohammed shirt?

Posted by: Leopold Stotch at February 10, 2006 11:33 PM (wcVpn)

24 he is Not like that!! read about his life and then you will see the deffirents, Suha, I am supposed to learn what about him? 1. He was a bandit, a common thief. 2. A murderer. 3. was pro-slavery. 4. Had women, and men who criticized him assassinated. 5. rapeist, when he had sex with the women who's father/husband he had beheaded (then claimed she converted to Islam and became his wife -- please.) 6. When anyone said Mohammed was breaking God's law, by a miracle, God then told Mohammed he was in the right (Go figure) 7. Pedophile 8. berated women, and thought women were the road to hell, told his followers to beat their women, and to keep them covered. To find a greater specimen of a scumbag, I'd have to start at the SHU, in Pelican Bay.

Posted by: dave at February 11, 2006 12:37 AM (CcXvt)

25 where can i get these products? i like the condom, at least mohammed find one proper place to be... and dave u forget gay-promoter for him, as he also offeres 28 young boys in heven... beside virgins, i think Quran is really a good compiled script for a bluefilm, anyone interested then please place a vote.. LOL

Posted by: human at February 11, 2006 06:44 AM (juygv)

26 Please study the history and then comment. If some non muslims are ignorant of the preachings of Muhammed (peace be upon him) it is not just to blame/link all the present days wrong doings (mostly wrongly propogated). It is better to study the history and discuss with the learned scholars from reputed institutions(in west too) in this regard. Muslims have in their religion and taught by the prophet Muhammed(PBUH) to respect Jesus, Moses, Abraham and other great great prophets. The teaching of all the great prophets are same. Please respect human, respect its ideas so that inter faith harmony may prevail. This is the message of the last prophet(Muhammed PBUH).

Posted by: moazzam at February 11, 2006 08:36 AM (OFWBJ)

27 Isn't it interesting how the most offensive cartoon is the one of the burning fuse turban? Despite the many passages of the koran and the hadith which is so often used by terrorists and imams alike to justify attacks as gainst non-muslims. Despite prior to having their heads sawn off, hostages are said to be receiving justice from Allah. It's said that the truth hurts. This is confirmation of that. Only when confronted with hurtfull truths can change start to occur.

Posted by: Graeme at February 11, 2006 09:03 AM (Y0mV3)

28 i just know one thing that this is the beginning of the END OF THE WORLD good bye see you in the haven

Posted by: m_lucky at February 11, 2006 09:21 AM (PLCx+)

29 Muslims want to help allah, their God, and Mohammed, His prophet, to fight the enemiesof allah .Is Allah so helpless he cant fight for himself? If he is, Try Jesus.

Posted by: wadisc at February 11, 2006 09:29 AM (kzEj7)

30 A tip for any western government ... The muslim religion does nothing but erode democracy, please dont change my freedom to compensate for cavemen trying to fit into my lifestyle. NUKE EM ALL!!!

Posted by: Angry_Fucker at February 11, 2006 10:15 AM (6NIeM)

31 Hmmm i like your style angry fucker, but my master plan is better (maybe?) Pull out of Europe (as its laws are so fucking dumb and 99% of britains will agree on that!!!!), get our borders back and have a mass deportation (sink the ships on the way)

Posted by: Tony Blair at February 11, 2006 10:57 AM (cYWlj)

32 I'm from the south. We need to get rid of these Muslims and Arabs and send them back to their barbaric countries. Our four fathers did not like them and now they are in our country bringing their savagery to the western world.

Posted by: Stephen Gibson at February 11, 2006 11:04 AM (DqKbb)

33 Welcome to democracy, free speech included

I cant believe they would like a western country to be ran by a dictator - but Tony Blair - you are fast becoming one!!! You have gave everything away, you clearly support these fanatics as i did not see any arrests made, wake up and listen to TRUE Brits before its too late! (we need to Boot labour out while were at it)!!! The Dumbass 4 showed you its not safe - now come on - time for ACTION!

Posted by: FREEDOM at February 11, 2006 11:22 AM (3qndY)

34 Did you see the weapons cache they found at that Finsbury Park Mosque - i thought it was a pic from Fallujah until i noticed the name! Forged passports, knives, Modifiable Blank Firing Pistols etc etc This is worrying indeed!

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at February 11, 2006 11:27 AM (3qndY)

35 Bin Laden says that the Quoran requires that they warn their enemy before they do anything to them. Then it will be OK with Allah. I say we warn them. Next time a 911 type event occurs, we will nuke Mecca. Also, since they use mosques to recruit, for weapons storage, and safe refuge from a fight, we should respect those mosques that are used for religious purposes and bulldoze any that are used for militaristic purposes. Also, please look at the sites that show the videos of the beheadings and then make all your male friends and relatives aware of who we are dealing with. We need to have the correct mindset to deal with these chimps when the time comes. These videos will change your life forever and I don't recommend that any youth or woman should view them. One such site is savagenation.com.

Posted by: Ross at February 11, 2006 11:44 AM (08tHr)

36 Give the enemy combatants their Geneva Convention rights. They are armed combatants wearing no uniforms. That means we can shoot them or hang them on the spot. Then there will be no more kidnappings in order to gain the realease of Arab prisoners. This could all be very simple if our politicians were not intimidated by the idealists who believe we are dealing with reasonable people who would leave us alone if we just leave them alone. Our enemy are rabid humans with defective minds who have been brainwashed, since early childhood, by the words of the warlord Mohammed who used the strategy of claiming to have spoken with God/Allah in order to get his ignorant followers to fight the Jihad and pillage the land of others for his own benefit. Don't get me wrong, I realize that the Christians fought the same battles under the guise of the Crusades and were just as barbaric. The difference is that these Chimps are still living in the past.

Posted by: Ross at February 11, 2006 12:11 PM (08tHr)

37 I think there is a terrible misunderstanding by the radical Muslims in regard to what awaits them in Heaven. I agree that it will be 21 vigins but I think they will be 21 Jewish boys murdered by Muslims waiting to plug them in their asses. Ahhh sweet revenge at last !!!!

Posted by: gunrunner at February 11, 2006 12:35 PM (GMsVz)

38 Priests and terrorists ! Wow coming from a Catholic upbringing, I can not understand how a cartoon can cause the death and chaos it has. The real issue is not the cartoons in my opinion. The real issue is a complete disregard and lack of understanding and compassion for fellow man on all sides of the fence. This is not regulated to any one ethnic or religious group. Lack of understanding should not be the basis for a holy war again.

Posted by: u812bog at February 11, 2006 01:35 PM (hoM4X)

39 You're right! It's not about the cartoon. It's about the Jihad-the "holy duty" of fanatical Muslems to eliminate any of those who disagree with them, as is directed in the Quran. The cartoon is a "red herring" to distract from the real agenda.

Posted by: Ross at February 11, 2006 04:24 PM (08tHr)

40 dude, arabs are fucking insane

Posted by: your mom at February 11, 2006 04:36 PM (ka2E3)

41 Why is this happening, you guys are the ones who stay behind and watch, rather than be there facing the facts. YouÂ’re all trying to find faults of us Muslims, well, getting a bit afraid ha? ItÂ’s pathetic. Nothing else to do, but criticize others and what others believe in. if you donÂ’t believe donÂ’t bother cause your not worth it. you guys fuel this worlds rage and suffering you guys are to be blame for all this. well you say its the freedom of speech, look where you guys came from, all the unlawful things you did to the rest of the world a while ago, and its funny in away to see you guys criticizing and blaming the Muslims for what they believe in.. We are strong. We will believe in what we believe... get the message?

Posted by: EyeonEye at February 11, 2006 06:25 PM (o9TIz)

42 Here's EyeOnEye living the good life in a first world country (Windsor, Ontario - Canada) and his mentality is third world, seventh century. You just can't reason with willful ignorance like that, deportation is the solution. No, EyeOnEye, you're not strong. You're weak and stupid. That's why a handful of embattled Jews in Israel have kicked your wimpy, arrogant, babyhunter asses time after time. Want to know why? Read A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 11, 2006 06:49 PM (RHG+K)

43 Sorry eyeoneye that we criticize the belief that it is proper and holy to saw off the heads of men, women, and children when their feet are bound and their hands are tied behind their backs simply because they are not Muslims. We'd all be gone by now if you had only converted Jehovahs Witnesses to your beliefs. They could go door to door to spread the word and if you don't convert, off with your head or out with your tongue. Yeah, we should just turn the other cheek as they kill thousands by flying planes into our skyscrapers while your response is to defend your brothers. They blow up schools, buses, and trains while you sit quietly in agreement. There have been no protests by the "majority of peace loving Muslims" to the atrocities that have been going on for decades. I believe your commrades will finally hit us hard enough that the majority of us will finally realize that you are not so peaceful after all and then we shall proceed to kick your nasty asses back to your land of sand and dirt. There was a time when your people were the scholars of this world but you have wasted all of that. I personally suspect inbreeding to be the cause of your failures. I have heard that Mohammed was crazy and my first suspicion was that it was due to syphilis.

Posted by: Ross at February 11, 2006 07:44 PM (08tHr)

44 Mmm trying hard I guess 'the dread' you think you know where I live? Well itÂ’s not the first time youÂ’re wrong. Your view of Muslims as if we are just savages. and we are stupid. Rather than pointing at the person or the group you keep pointing at the Muslims as a whole, I got news for you. you all been blinded. we are not what you think we are we are peace loving beings as you. just let us be and let us live our lives our ways donÂ’t get in-between. oh by the way I donÂ’t even live closer to canda. Get your facts right. Ross, youÂ’re just and ignorant person trying to criticize our prophet, well people like you are the cause of these clashes among religions, although you donÂ’t have anything to believe in you bring anger and rage among the believers. Take some time off at least believe in what you say!

Posted by: EyeonEye at February 11, 2006 08:44 PM (o9TIz)

45 EyeOnEye, It doesn't matter what you or I say. What counts is what has actually been done. The actions of your fellow believers speak for themselves. The day will come when our patience wears out and we give your friends the virgins they so deserve. I think there must be some sort of vortex in the Arabian region that neutralizes logic, reason, and sanity. Maybe it is a natural phenomena for which your race cannot be blamed. But, something is very obviously wrong over there. You say we try to find fault with all Muslims. The fault is obvious and those of you who stand silent seem to be in agreement with the actions of the lunatics. Why is it that all Danish people have been condemed for the action of one newspaper publishing a cartoon. Leave it to your kind to start a 3rd world war over a stupid cartoon about a guy who conned ignorant followers into believing he was a prophet when he was nothing more than a warlord.

Posted by: Ross at February 11, 2006 09:16 PM (08tHr)

46 Yep, weak and stupid. First you're all, "We are strong - get the message?" Now that everyone knows you're just a Canadian wannabe jihadi, it's "We're peace loving". "Pointing at the Muslims as a whole" - no, just pointing at the ones stupid enough to burn embassies and kill each other over cartoons. Not my fault if you look in the mirror and see a primitive moron.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 11, 2006 09:21 PM (RHG+K)

47 hey ppl are we new enemy of u after cominism, cant we live in peace give up shitting we cant do same shit like u against jesus coz he is prophet of allah too acording to our beleife

Posted by: human at February 12, 2006 04:25 AM (I/J2L)

48 hey we did not make any people slave like u did to blacks do u know that mohammed was against to slavery he set many slave free 1500 years ago u still dont know the meaning of humanity and freedom, still many black ppl live in poor condition, u beg help for ppl who affected in hurricane while u r killin children in IRAQ hey ppl I dont beleive that u r human or animal u all are lower that any creature coz u r trying to hide truth stop fooling world face the realty

Posted by: human at February 12, 2006 04:31 AM (I/J2L)

49 i wanna ask a queston!! u sick guys criticize human bombs!! u sick guys criticize IGNORANT MUSLIM people!! CAN u tell me how do they get these f**kin bombs and weapons?? do u know who are the customers of YOUR WEAPON COMPANIES? guys u are preparing your self-destruction to make some people rich!!!! REALIZE THAT!u have to be against the roots of that violance!! Otherwise u are ignorant.

Posted by: le_samourai at February 12, 2006 07:38 AM (qwylh)

50 I wonder why it is that the only time liberals come out to speak of religious intolerance is not such times as when three teenage Christian schoolgirls get their heads cut off, but to denounce Christians who are denouncing muslims who cut off schoolgirls' heads? Just more evidence that liberals should all be killed in as painful a way as can be contrived by modern technology. Or old school is good too. I'm all for dipping them in acid and rolling them in broken glass.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 12, 2006 07:44 AM (0yYS2)

51 Is there life before breakfast?!

Posted by: Montana Fox at February 12, 2006 07:58 AM (0xSUt)

52 Regarding the bombs and weapons: They use AK47s which are Russian and I suspect Syria and Iran to be supplying the explosives used in Iraq. (Their own Arab "friends" are using them as pawns so they don't have to fight the fight themselves.) I don't know where the dull knives are made that they use to saw off heads-probably in the countries where they are cutting off heads. Now I have a question for you. Don't those protestors work? If they can find time to be in the streets everyday to protest a stupid cartoon, I have to assume they aren't working. The ones in Great Britain, Denmark, the United States, and other non-Arab countries are probably drawing welfare. Don't you think they should contribute to the economy? The ones who are in countries other than their country of origin take advantage of their host. They go there for education, welfare, and the good life that was created by people who don't follow their ways. They want the advantages of our accomplishments and then want to change the system to their ways so they can then screw up our countries too. What they'd really like to do is take us back to the Iron Age because of their BELIEFS. And, they have made it clear that "infidels" are to be eliminated. Doesn't sound like a tolerant religion to me. Doesn't sound like there is any respect for Christ or Budda or any other faith but Muslim.

Posted by: Ross at February 12, 2006 08:42 AM (08tHr)

53 If you liked the cartoons then maybe try this ... http://www.annsummers.com/single.asp?gid=7&cat=7&pid=1964 It never flops and doesnt slap you around

(lol) Seriously tho, them 4 dumbasses in Britain - they were British born yet blew themselves and other Brits up (many i might add were women and fellow muslims) - now they prefer to die for that religion than that country - traitors who can never be trusted as far as i am concerned. Very BRAVE killing innocent men, women and children - biggest cowardly act i have seen for a long time. Im afraid these clowns that are so easily brainwashed cannot be trusted, look at yourselves - cavemen - nothing more, you cannot progress, other religions have left you way behind, what does it feel like so isolated from the modern world? To the rest of the world you people are so subhuman! That religion should be banned in every country with common sense!

Posted by: Vlad The Inhaler at February 12, 2006 08:58 AM (XRHNY)

54 remember!! imperialist countries hail to the power! power=money=natural gas=oil=capturing middle eastern countries america and EU will never let this arab countries develop.they want the more ignorant people and the more undeveloped easily capturable countries. america can finish these terrorists jobs bu they DONT!!!!because they have billions of arab dollars via weapon trade! and young american soldiers fight with their own monsters. but not rich americans' sons fight in iraq.these soldiers are the ones exist in the weapon trade. UNDERSTOOD?

Posted by: le_samourai at February 12, 2006 09:41 AM (qwylh)

55 these soldiers arent the ones in weapon trade

Posted by: le_samourai at February 12, 2006 09:44 AM (qwylh)

56 I dont get why Muslims are freaking about a cartoon about their PROPHET. The cartoon is sort of true, he spread the word of violence along with the word that god told him (i guess) Muslims, please take a chill pill, after all, we aren't bombing you, suicide bombing you, shooting you, or burning your flags because you call us infidels (when in reality our religion and the judeaism is very similar to yours) Calm down

Posted by: go red sox at February 12, 2006 09:53 AM (dAlYx)

57 I dont get why Muslims are freaking about a cartoon about their PROPHET. The cartoon is sort of true, Mohammed spread the word of violence along with the word that god told him (i guess) Muslims, please take a chill pill, after all, we aren't bombing you, suicide bombing you, shooting you, or burning your flags because you call us infidels (when in reality our religion and the judeaism is very similar to yours) Calm down

Posted by: go red sox at February 12, 2006 09:53 AM (dAlYx)

58 It was just another day in the Heaven. God and Jesus heard someone knocking on door. Jesus went to open the door and saw Mohammed standing there. Jesus shouted: Father! The pizza boy is here!

Posted by: georg.ewbush at February 12, 2006 02:59 PM (Ac38u)

59 I'm ready for an all out Holy War with ALL Muslims. The sooner the better.

Posted by: Rich at February 12, 2006 03:05 PM (aPIGF)

60 It is simply a matter of time before the American people get fed up with this Muslim attempt to take over the world. Unfortunately it will take a few more "911's" but the response is inevitable. A few neutron bombs in Iraq, Iran and Syria would be a good start. There is simply no other choice. This type of animal cannot be reasoned with.

Posted by: The Prophet at February 12, 2006 03:18 PM (aPIGF)

61 First to you le_samourai, it isn't western countries that have kept Middle Easterners ignorant, it is the Islamic imams and rulers of the Islamic freak show that have, because they need ignorant barbarians who will blow themselves up at a moments notice for a lie. As for Islam itself... well check this site out it documents the barbarism of Islam pretty clearly if you ask me. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Posted by: AirborneSaint at February 12, 2006 07:10 PM (HdM2v)

62 people make fun of christianity all the time. do we blow ourselves up anand cause riots? i think not...shut up and deal with it muslims.

Posted by: w33b1e at February 12, 2006 08:11 PM (cGG6k)

63 hilarious products btw.

Posted by: w33b1e at February 12, 2006 08:13 PM (cGG6k)

64 I m shocked by viewing these page.Well muslims are great they always respects other religions.if u will not respect others than other will not give any respect to u. if some one says that muslims are bomber and sueside attacker than they are must knows that islam never teach muslims to kill any annocent people whether he is muslims or not. These are americans gogs who kill peaople with the name of muslims.WTC was hit by jewish and americans and than blam on muslims. Jewish and americans are wants to destroy muslims so they always adopt false reasons for that. if anyone have any doubt about muslims than he must read Quran and than talk about it. Our Prophet (P.B.U.H.) is the greatest personality ever sent on earth. He breaks the moon in two pieces and than joint them again. ask Neel Armstrong he saw that break on moon and ask him what voice did he heard on moon? it was the voice of AZZAN which muslims recite 5 times a day.

Posted by: Sidd at February 12, 2006 11:51 PM (W4+q4)

65 Let me tell you that Muslims never making fun of any other religion. i live in a muslim country and we have millions of people who belongs to other religion even my couligues are christian but we never tease them they always happy with us we protect their churchs and repect their religion although in other non muslims countries U pepole are not respects muslims but our HOLY QURAN teach us to respect other religion so we do. Ask urself wht ur Holy Book teaches u and how did u obey u? and remember Heaven is not for u people its for the muslims only and at that time u will find right and wrong but that would b useless. All the prophets have the same message by the God but only muslims get their message in a right way. if muslims are the caveman than what r u? u are fucked by ur father and brother, and u fuck ur own sister and mother u r GAY and LESBIANS what's that is ur religion teach u the same and is science proof these relations good for u? ask ur Neel Armstrong wht he heard at the moon first? that was the voice of Allah.thats y he is now muslims he found his way he got whts good for him. Muslims r not bomber they are AMERICAN & JEWISH DOGS who disguise them self and beacame bomber to make bad effect of muslims to the world. WTC was destroyed by the JEWISH & AMERICANS not by the muslims. Take Care, SIDD

Posted by: Sidd at February 13, 2006 12:16 AM (W4+q4)

66 Someone just e-mailed me a cartoon that I think would justify radical Muslims being truly outraged. The line is: Now that's insulting. The visual: A sword chopping the Prophet Muhammad's head off. It bounces before it comes to rest.

Posted by: bill force at February 13, 2006 12:34 AM (b7a91)

67 Salmaan Rushdie has already told us of your Koran`s real meaning (remember the book Satanic Verses?) Im sure a jihad was placed on him for that? Muslims never make fun of any other religion as they dont recognise any other religion! Answer this ... does EVERY country in the world have the right to exist? If so - why is it that only Egypt (out of all the Arab countries) signed the agreement that Israel has the right to exist? People are right - there is a hidden agenda behind these protests over a stupid cartoon, warmongers/murderers/cowards/ plotting away to erode our democracy and freedom. You keep moaning about the stupidest things, trying to change laws in western worlds to suit yourselves, this eventually leads to a western country becoming a country like Iraq - if you want that kind of life then i suggest you go live in Iraq as it is a lifestyle we do NOT accept in the developed world. You cannot put animals in a civilised society! You western governments (you know who you are) - you endanger your peoples lives and livelihoods by allowing immigration of these people - the blood is on your hands! Ask and deal with the muslim women not the men, the men are the ones who need slapped around a lot for being so easy to brainwash! You think your women enjoy the beatings and being hidden away? They must dread you returning home after a hard day burning a flag and claiming welfare. You must all be tarred with the same brush im afraid as you put that religion before the country (who so kindly saved your sorry ass from living in a mud hut somewhere) you live in and would turn so easily against it. You dont know what hospitality means its take take take! You have the option to rise above this hatred yet you choose to fight and rally/protest at any opportunity - Warmongers springs to mind. Dont know what you been smoking Sidd but ill have a few grams please

Posted by: Tony Blairs Advisor at February 13, 2006 01:05 AM (bPBl0)

68 Fuck you, Fuck off

Posted by: Fuck Yours Mom at February 13, 2006 04:17 AM (qh1yA)

69 Hey geys, Fuck all of you. Muhamedi is holy person, You will see how is Muhammed when you die, After these i hate peoples like you... Fuck!!!,

Posted by: Azerbaijan- Muslim at February 13, 2006 05:29 AM (qh1yA)

70 congratilations!!!to whom are expressing abt the deeply hostility towards,the Great Prophet of the humanity Mohammad-peace and blessing be upon him- hehe, do you expect you will win this debate??? soon all the world will discovert how great Mohammed-pbum- is!!! i Wanna thank you all because you are too skilfull in humilating, not Mohammad-pbuh-, sorry, but really all islamic countries governers!!! thank for this!!!thanks thanks thanks.just one minute please:::you feel happy when huting more than 1000000000 Muslims but we feel happy when just 1 in the western world discover the reality of mohammad-pbum-!!!!!!

Posted by: mim at February 13, 2006 05:50 AM (UtrYI)

71 hey richy u said "I'm ready for an all out Holy War with ALL Muslims. The sooner the better." r u sure ? I m turkish and we fed up fuckin u do u know we still have your holly place like ISTANBUL(constantina polis) also we used to have jerusselam too coz of your arab friend we lost it. u r free to set up war but keep it in your stupid brain TURKS ARE MUSLIM too if u wanna c how gr8 we are take a look at map http://www.mideastweb.org/ara_ottoman1580.gif also ask to you grand grand mom y many black haired ppl in europe

take care poor richy

Posted by: Turkish Warrior at February 13, 2006 06:09 AM (I/J2L)

72 All of us are human being. Muhammed is holy person for us, you must respect, but your are not doing this, in this cas your Place is hell. You will burn in hell. I am Muslim,and very pround that i was born in muslimic republic. i don't want humiliate anyone, but guys you are doing discrimination. It will not good for both side. Peace again peace, !!!!

Posted by: _Azerbaijan_ at February 13, 2006 08:10 AM (qh1yA)

73 Hi Western Civilisation... I want to ask evry asshole jewish, european and american... where are your sisters and moms.. you are all either gays or lesbians isn't it...this is what we know about you... you are riding eachother..!!!!! you have no faith, no religion, no belief...etc. you know only how to eat,fuck and dung exactly like animals... Read about Islam from our sources not from yours. From where did you get all these things... from nowhere.... even the Bible doesn't contain what you are behaving....... Bye....

Posted by: Algerian__ at February 13, 2006 11:24 AM (98/qT)

74 I just flushed a couple dozen qurans

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 13, 2006 02:03 PM (bCz76)

75 Hey Goat, Ass hole like u will never ever have Holy Quran, it's not like your g. friend. Although Its for all but i still says that its not for the ass holes like u. Mr. Tony B.A. If u can believe that Rushde than believe me too he didn't read Quran and just read that book on behalf of jewish dogs. Remember Jewish will never ever have their own country time will prove it. If u r talking about muslims so we always understand and respect the other religion if u dont believe than visit some muslim country and find how they live with other religion. Just don't belive on others believe on urself.

Posted by: Sidd at February 13, 2006 09:59 PM (H8XT7)

76 Thanks Sidd. There is nothing more I need to say. You make my case for me. You support those who bomb their own people, behead school girls, and fly planes into buildings to kill all those who are not Muslim. You are so tolerant. Keep talking. You expose your kind. Your ignorance is hilarious. And I thought you had no sense of humor. Please continue.

Posted by: Ross at February 13, 2006 10:26 PM (08tHr)

77 Respect Islam? Fuck that bullshit! They ram planes into buildings and blow up buses and the Underground and they now cry for respect? Down with Islam! Down with Muhammed!

Posted by: The true prophet of Islam at February 13, 2006 10:44 PM (UCzQg)

78 Ooh looks like tony blairs advisor hit a nerve there that sidd is one big dumbass tho hahaha throw him a fish someone altho ive seen seals perform better! the trouble with you guys is that you have no humour, maybe mummy and daddy should have played with you more when you were a child instead of slashing your head with a knife (child abuse?) for that blood letting festival thing u guys do, and teaching you hatred, brainwashing you from birth. westerners are great peeps - come - abandon that crap - join the west and be free (yes sidd - you can date guys too and wear womens clothes if you wish - err why are you drooling?) have a sense of humour, laugh it off you will feel better, there can always be a funny side to things - lifes to short to waste on hate and war. lets see a better responce to this post

oh sidd ... i have some old car tyres if you wanna make some shoes

Posted by: Rabbi Burns at February 13, 2006 11:47 PM (r+lFp)

79 Thanks Ross for given me a chance to continue my post. well tell me one thing did the bomber told u that "I AM MUSLIM AND I M GOING TO KILL OTHER MUSLIMS" Is it? OR People who hijacked the plane were call u and said "ROSS WE ARE MUSLIMS AND GOING TO KILL NON MUSLIMS BY HITTING THIS PLANE INTO WTC" is it? Where were the all the Jewish who working in WTC at the time of that incident and where were the gold and money which were stored some where in WTC did hijackers stolen all the gold and take it to the sky? why all the investments by the Jewish in insurance company which insured WTC were drawn before WTC incident. Suppose i have a news channel in USA and announce that Rose is the person who plan WTC incident. wht comes next? my sense of humor is more than u. u ppl did nothing except using abuse language at islam. Take Care, Sidd

Posted by: Sidd at February 13, 2006 11:52 PM (JN0/l)

80 Please click: http://www.bible-land.net/ cooooooooooool By Turkish

Posted by: Demo at February 14, 2006 12:21 AM (qh1yA)

81 I just hate all brown people. I wish we could contain them all in one spot and blow all of them up. They are the shit stain on the worlds toilet. They are all scum, the women, the men even the little scum babies. They smell and I hate them. The only purpose in my eyes they are good for is pumping oil for my SUV. Allah and mohammad can lick my canadian asshole.

Posted by: Nick at February 14, 2006 01:36 AM (f9P67)

82 NICK WHY YOUR ARE HUMILATE OUR VALUES, FUCK YOUR GENERATION, you DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU MOMY AND SISTER SLEEPING BECAUSE IT IS USAL FOR YOU AND OTHER ALL LIKE U,. YOUR SISTER AND MOM CHANGING DUDES AS DRESS, EVERYAY NEW DUDE, is IT LIFE, vandalism; fUCK ALL PEOPLE LIKE YOU, NEVER HUMULATE ALLAH AND MUHAMED-

Posted by: NICK _ FUCKER at February 14, 2006 01:55 AM (qh1yA)

83 Go and suck your Momy and sister pussy, because it your tradition. For Nick and peoples like you..

Posted by: NICK _ FUCKER at February 14, 2006 01:58 AM (qh1yA)

84 Allah will answer to yours action. InshaAllah. I promise.

Posted by: Famin at February 14, 2006 02:03 AM (7W6oU)

85 "Freedom" to a Muslim is different than it is for westerners. For them it means never having to make a decision. Their government, in league with the Imam's tell the people what to do, where to go, what to think, how to dress, what to eat, every aspect of their lives is controlled. That is why they don't understand when we say "Freedom of Speach." They want to know who "told you" to say something. That is why they want the government of Denmark punished for the cartoons. For them, if the government/clergy didn't tell you to do something, you don't do it. That's freedom for Muslims, They really are a religion of peace, and if you don't believe it, they'll come burn down your embassy, too.

Posted by: Jeff in Kabul at February 14, 2006 02:05 AM (9LUcq)

86 Ey ignorant people you'll never understand what is ISLAM, you can learn about it in university which you paying 30.000/ 40.00 per year. That I am calling people like you as ignorant. INSALLAH you will see Salamaleykuma.

Posted by: For ignorant at February 14, 2006 02:12 AM (qh1yA)

87 Ey ignorant people you'll never understand what is ISLAM, you can learn about it in university which you paying 30.000/ 40.00 per year. That why I am calling people like you as ignorant. INSALLAH you will see Salamaleykuma.

Posted by: For ignorant at February 14, 2006 02:13 AM (qh1yA)

88 Ey ignorant peoples you'll never understand what is ISLAM, you can't learn about it in university which you paying 30.000/ 40.00 per year. That why I am calling people like you as ignorant. INSALLAH you will see!!!! Salamaleykuma to Muslim brothers

Posted by: For ignorant at February 14, 2006 02:15 AM (qh1yA)

89 Notice how concerned they are about where's your Mother and your sister? One minute they'll swear that women in Islam are completely free to do what they will, own property, be a part of government, be a business leader. And the truth is, they can; as soon as they get permission from their father or brother or husband, whichever male is telling them what to do and where to be. She'll have to dress to look like Cousin It, and whoever said she can be out has to accompany her to supervise (kind of like having your own personal parole officer that lives with you.) Yes they're free. They can select whatever color Habib they want, as long as it's black. For less dressy occasions they can select the more colorful blue burqa. Yes, that's freedom there. Black or blue? Of course if they mess up and select neither, they'll be black and blue. According to Islam you should beat them when they mis-behave.

Posted by: Jeff in Kabul at February 14, 2006 02:21 AM (9LUcq)

90 all of you are sone of a bitches motherfuckers don't you dare say anything about prophet mohammed and allah

Posted by: Muslim at February 14, 2006 06:28 AM (EhcsN)

91 Allah and Mohammed suck donkeys dicks. . . . . . . . Only joking, they're great.

Posted by: Jesus Christ at February 14, 2006 06:40 AM (y/iv9)

92 Sidd, I did live in Egypt for six months and you ignorant fuckers can't even dispose of garbage except throwing it on your neighbors roofs. Islam is not peaceloving, as an idiot once said, a night by the sword is worth 40 in prayer. the only reason you don't eat pork is that mohammed once screwed a pig and he was afraid to eat his children. If you would even treat your women like people instead of a family pet and allow them to read then you could say you were tolerant. You remind me of the French, Just an idiot out wondering around.

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 14, 2006 09:20 AM (bCz76)

93 And learn to spell you ignorant wretches

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 14, 2006 09:22 AM (bCz76)

94 Haha yeh you are right - always wondering where mothers and sister sare (i think theres some inbreeding going on over there you know) Personally i couldnt give a fuck where my sisters and mother are, they are FREE to do and go where they please (yes - we know thats really hard for you to understand but dont worry - they can also talk to people, have sex if they wish etc - they are their own personal choices that EVERYONE has the RIGHT to have!) We dont NEED to force them into sex either, they are willing - you must ask yourself how ugly you must be to your wife if you have to beat her senseless before she opens her legs for you hahaha by the way THERE IS NO GOD CALLED ALLAH, you have been suckered in by a rapist and thief and now you think everyone in the world should be nice to him? fuck you scumbags If you really want to worship someone pick me, ill write little notes on scraps of paper and say i talk to god - that will make me a prophet? oh ... Allah just told me to tell you guys that you must all worship westerners as theyre superior beings. have a nice day

Posted by: West Rules at February 14, 2006 09:44 AM (wSzSz)

95 What is your purpose in creating these staff and writing such durty things. Please answer!

Posted by: Metin at February 14, 2006 10:03 AM (LUm/n)

96 As far as I am concerned it is going to be religion of all kinds that will end the world. The Qua'ran speaks of killing those who don't believe as does the Judean Bible and Christian Bible. Whatever you're interpretation of these texts now, this was the brutality of the age 3000-1500 years ago. I guess this has not changed much for some. Please let's all move out of the dark ages and into the modern age. Religion and superstition are things of a desolate barbaric past and should remain there. If you must believe in something keep it to yourself, don't be contradictory, and no one can harm your conviction.

Posted by: The Grand Inquisitor at February 14, 2006 12:03 PM (KJEHG)

97 Hello to you fresch Americans. I can not tell you how happy i am , that you are suporting our country in the cartoon case.I have resently ( 12/2-2004 ) arranged a demonstration in favor to the " Jyllands posten " in the third largest city of Denmark - Odense , and we maned to attrack the 2 largest TV- channels in Denmark , with positive respons , despite that all aponants to mass imigration in Denmark is silenced to dead ! Can i order a t-shirt in large ? Unfortnedly i have not a PC kreditcard payment - thing , so can you please send it , so i can pay when i get it ? Lots of hope for the future.... Michael Ellegaard - please wiew home page www.fritdk. dk ( FREEDENMARK ) Michael Ellegaard Dybdevej 4 5200 Odense V Denmark

Posted by: Michael Ellegaard at February 14, 2006 01:06 PM (jEwzB)

98 The Bible or the Torah states nowhere to kill non-believers. The only time G-d ever told the Isrealites to kill anyone was the godless phillistines and others who worshipped anything some freak told them to. ie Baal and others. Hey here is a novel thought, If you kill innocent people 70 virgins will meet you in Hell.

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 14, 2006 01:30 PM (bCz76)

99 I don't think I've laughed like this in a long time. Keep it up guys, this is hilarious!!!

Posted by: Love this site at February 14, 2006 02:23 PM (0n37U)

100 So the Bible and the Torah states no where to kill non-believers and in the same breath you say you're, "God told the israelites to kill the godless philistines and others who worshipped anything some freak told them too" How is it you are able to use a computer with that brain? Do you have someone typing for you? An absolutely contradictory statement such as that leaves me to believe you are an idiot. Here's just a couple of quotes for you. You know, you really should read these books before you defend them: "And you (Aaron) and your sons with you shall attend to your priesthood for all that concerns the altar and that is within the veil; and you shall serve. I give your priesthood as a gift, and any one else who comes near shall be put to death." (Numbers Chapter 18 verse 7) "Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT) When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT) Oh yes.....and don't forget Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live" How about Deuteronomy 20:16 "But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: (KJV) Pretty brutal reading, I would have to say Rob Zombie has nothing on the early text of Judea-Christian writings.

Posted by: The Grand Inquisitor at February 14, 2006 02:52 PM (KJEHG)

101 refer Goat Harders's point. Does anybody from anti muslim community think or beleive that your current version of bible or other HOLLY books are the ones which were initially given to the respected Jesus or Mose.... Guys ... you ppl beleive that your communities and countries are civilised... i have seen the level of sophistication of your civilised manners in the above products .... I am sure that some divine intervention is about to come ....

Posted by: Shamim at February 14, 2006 10:34 PM (OIwn+)

102 DUUUUUDE this site is freakin hilarious. All you "serious" people talkin s**t about how an insignificant Danish paper cant print a cartoon that shows the face of Mohammed (or however its spelled. I've seen like 11 different ways. Pick ONE fool), get all angry and call it an "attack on Isalm" when the real attacks happend on September 11, 2001. Lock, stock and barrel. I got y'all liberals/ islamofacists cornered.

Posted by: Kmoney9999 at February 14, 2006 11:51 PM (ZkAcb)

103 Heaven is running out of virgins for suicide bombers!!

Posted by: Jeremy at February 14, 2006 11:59 PM (A4CRg)

104 You were talking about muhammad or mohammed toilet paper. I'm gunna make some, keep checking my site and it will be up there within a week

Posted by: Jeremyinc at February 15, 2006 12:01 AM (A4CRg)

105 In the name of God You may jest about yourselves because of your ignorance! Violating sanctity and personalities like these offensive ideas, just indicates self scorning of person that can't tolerate the respectfulness of great persons like Muhammad (pbuh&hd). It doesn't damage his shining existence, but only prevents their own to understand, benefit, and find good luck... We don't riot, and if you think God has not started to respond against your shameful work, you mistake. There are two harmful responses: Once that he doesn't guide you to see the truth; so you are captive in your perplexity. Otherwise, he respites you, so you make your load of sin heavier in this world. "The torture of hell is sufficient for sinners." We don't support terrorism and the prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hd) never did. We don't love war and Muslims are not responsible for crimes of Al-Qaeda, everyone is responsible for his own work. Just see Mahatma Gandhi's attitude about Muhammad (pbuh&hd) in link below: http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/aboutmohamed/article13.shtml

Posted by: Morteza Mirzakhan at February 15, 2006 04:14 AM (OhBJW)

106 what is that naughty picture as mohammed i want to know why is it called as mohammed?shame on u!

Posted by: kareem at February 15, 2006 04:17 AM (yefHX)

107 Motherfuckers!!! Mohammed and Allah will punish you!!! Allahu Akbar! It is the sighn of yours weakness against muslim world!!! It is what u can do against allah Mohammed and Muslim world! You can not do anyhting else!!! Ya allah!!!

Posted by: Elvin at February 15, 2006 04:51 AM (yYkss)

108 We have totaly respect for whole massengers of God who sent them on the earth... what is the reality and what is fals. God will describe on the dooms day finally and he have already described it. read about every thig whatever you read but be a polite and have a respect for others. I am muslim and have proud on it and for us it's necessary that we should keep respect for all people which is Islam teaches us. That is why I can't say any thing bad about others religion and their followers. That is a good and civilised way of the Islam. There is nothing without Islam if any person read it carefuly. it is easy but want time if you materlistic western people read it with calm and open minded. May God forgive your behaviours and deeds.

Posted by: Najeeb Arian at February 15, 2006 05:15 AM (xDCTn)

109 These pictures are showing your graceful attitudes.Master mind of the Islam is just God you can never finish it and can never find it as a achiving target. it is a invisible strong belife and visible like a Light. Allah-u-Akbar Laa-Illaha Illa Anta Subahanka Inni Kunto Minazzalimeen.

Posted by: Najeeb Arian at February 15, 2006 05:30 AM (xDCTn)

110 Motherfuckers !!!!

Posted by: sddsa at February 15, 2006 05:43 AM (AMG57)

111 In response to the Grand Inquisitor, It does state in the Bible and Torah that G-d made an order to kill non-believers, BUT if you look at these non-believers they were people who sacrificed people to theirs gods, were sodomites, and a truly evil people who were not even a little bit innocent. G-d commanded that these people were to be killed so they could not infest the Israelites with their evil. As for Aaron and his sons reference, it was instructing them that no one should come near the Holy place in the tabernacle or temple. Only priests were allowed there and were not ordained by G-d. As for the witch, witchcraft is evil in all forms and needs to be destroyed. Now i come to my point, G-d NOWHERE said to kill an innocent non-believer. If a person is ignorant in the word, then that is no sin. They do not deserve to die. The Lord our G-d instructs us to educate and love all people. Whereas the quran tells idiots to kill people and if you kill an innocent person then you get to go to heaven and have 70 virgins for you. What pig-lover came up with this stupidity? Ok, I will start believing the koraint if it can come up with five specific prophecies that have come true. The Bible is the singular word of G-d in as it dares to make a predicition and have that prediction come true. A camel-fucker back in the middle east who made sweet love to a pig (Mohaggi err Muhuggybear err Mobetastupidity err Ilovestinkymen err muhammid or however you spell camel dungs name) could never write a book that predicts anything with more than a 50-50 chance of coming true. Enjoy the Buffet, Goat Herder

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 15, 2006 08:01 AM (bCz76)

112 Oh yeah, you ignorant muslims, learn to spell for real. and take a bath, They have made new inventions since 1300.

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 15, 2006 08:04 AM (bCz76)

113 Goat Herder, You crack me up!!!! I totally agree with the majority of the things you say but there is one important thing is that you cannot generalize by calling these people the "muslims". It is not all that are like the ones we see on the TV. Those are the uneducated people. There are lots of muslims who are like you and me, educated and civilized. I don't find it fair to include them and the savages in the same package by calling them 'the muslims". Believe me I have been in muslim countries and there is no comparison between the high class, educated society and the scum of their race. The latter have nothing to live for but their Quran and their God! The problem is that they are too stupid to interpret it in the right sense, thats why all these horrors are happening in the world. People need to be educated more.

Posted by: lovethissite at February 15, 2006 08:37 AM (0n37U)

114 You are probably right that there are good muslims and bad muslims, the real problem lies in that they ALWAYS rally together, i dont see ANY good muslims handing over to the authorities the bad ones do you? They go together (like flies and shit) and thats why they cannot be trusted Ban that fucking religion or face being over-ran by rats Exterminate the fuckin lot!

Posted by: muslim_slayer at February 15, 2006 10:30 AM (Wzo4y)

115 LTS, You are right, we shouldn't heap the ones who have done nothing wrong into the same pile of crap the majority of them are in. But here is where I get confused. Why are the "sane" ones not coming out and condemning the fanatics? They should be calling up their local government and turning in these Criminals, murderers, total wastes of homo sapiens. Heck, even monkeys don't try to kill other monkeys because they sling shit at others. Just like the crusaders who did their killing in the Lord's name (Yeah, a few of them are burning in hell along with the suicide bombers) EVERYONE needs to chastise these idiots. And the ones who preach the word saying it is OK to do it should be shot on site. If you want to practice your religion, I got no problem with, when your religion causes innocent people to die, then it is not religion, it is Murder. Enjoy the Buffet, GH

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 15, 2006 10:47 AM (bCz76)

116 You are totally right on this issue! Honestly I don't know why the good muslims dont come forward but what I do know from the good muslim friends that I have is that they do not agree with the things some of their people are doing. And the truth is that the scum of these people multiply like flies and are much more in numbers than the good ones. For example in a country of 100 Million muslims there are only 5% that are educated and sain! Imagine now why the only people we hear about are the psycho ones. I feel bad for the others (good muslims) who get insulted by what we say that is why i want to emphasize my point that they are not included in the bunch we criticize. Our reaction of disrespect towards their religion is the sole effect of what the fanatic muslims are doing to this world. I mean there is a limit to what we can tolerate too. They call it disrespect when we refuse to have a mosque built in a university but dont they realise that its even a bigger disrespect for us to have to go to the washroom and wash our hands in sink blackened by dirt after they washed their feet inside (they do this before they pray). That is DISGUSTING!!! I feel like throwing up when I see this shit. Isn't that disrespect!!!!? I think so. I should go blow up their mosque for having me almost throw up!

Posted by: lovethissite at February 15, 2006 11:56 AM (0n37U)

117 Don't Forget that bath thing either.

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 15, 2006 01:14 PM (bCz76)

118 My apologies Goat Herder; you are not only an idiot but an insane blind fanatic also. You must realize you sound exactly like the muslim extremists you abominate so much. So, these "People"(the 7 Nations) of the bible who your god wished dead, you know for sure they were "Evil" because you're bible told you so? You're sunday school teacher told you so? Because they "sacrificed people to their gods" and "we're sodomites" and "we're not even a little bit innocent". Hmmmmm.....I seem to remember a passage, Genesis 7, were your god wiped out the entire earth save just one family. None of the folks around then were innocent? I am pretty sure there were plenty of women, children, and surely some fetuses perhaps even in the third trimester. This also leaves me to believe that if only Noah and his immediate family were left to repopulate the earth....hmmmmm.....pretty sure there must have been some incest going one there. Gets pretty lonely on a big old boat like that, come on, no sodomy either? There were two of every animal...even goats..Goat Herder.."Daaaaaady". Sigh...back to my point. I think you had better look also at Exodus 11:4-5 "About midnight I will go into the midst of Egypt. All of the firstborn of Egypt will die, from the first born of Pharaoh [don't forget that according to the story Moses grew up under the care and protection of Pharaoh's court] even to the firstborn of the maidservant who is behind the millstones and all the firstborn of the beasts". All those first born children were evil? What other lies do your preachers tell you? But wait, there's more, I really hope you don't work on Sunday Goat Herder...tsk tsk. That's punishable by death in Exodus 21:13. So, you're god says "no-where to kill an innocent non-believer, if a person is ignorant in the world then that is no sin. They do not deserve to die." So the blind man who stumbles into the tabernacle is not innocent and should be killed? The innocent traveler who can't tell one mountain from another should be killed when he climbs Mt. Sinai? You contradict yourself at every phrase. Which is not surprising you're bible if full to the brim with contradiction. Let me ask you something, because you have obviously never read your bible. In Judges 11:29-40 did not your god accept the human sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter Mizpah? But Wait! Human sacrifices are evil you say! In Judges 21:10-24 you're god commanded the kidnap and rape of young girls. That's certainly about as evil as it gets. Tell me something, what predictions in the bible have ever come true? This little statement of your's intrigues me. Poor Poor little goat herder....you truly have been deceived by your preachers. Let me shed some light into that cave you live in. Only about 30% of the world is christian and this number is dropping rapidly. The muslims you hate so much comprise 20% of the world and that number is growing. About 14% of the world believes in a polytheistic religion ( that's 840 million people who believe in more than one god) And about 14% are atheists and the like. Then there are smaller percentages of other religions like buddhism etc... How can you possibly predicate the fallacy that your religion is the one true one or that any of them are? It's this constant religious bickering that has caused more death and suffering in this world than any other force in existance. Religion is evil and the sooner people learn that the safer this planet will be.

Posted by: The Grand Inquisitor at February 15, 2006 02:45 PM (KJEHG)

119 I'm a girl from Denmark and obviously i have had to hear a lot of bad stuff about my country lately. Personally i think that the muhammed-drawings should neither have been made nor been published. I don't think the drawings were particularly funny and i don't see the point of drawing something that you know will upset people, just because you have the right to do it. However, the reactions to these drawings seem completely out of proportion to any civilized human being. I completely understand that some muslims are hurt or angry but it got to the point now where many danish people fear that a terror attack will happen in Denmark because of 12 drawings made by 12 men who just happend to be danish. Where is the logic in that. I'm sure that most people by now have realized that there are stronger forces behind this(a few months ago most people in the middle east thought Denmark was a city in Sweden or the capital of the country "Ikea"). These forces want to make muslims hate the western world in order to get more people to support them and work against the western world. If we continue to make fun of muslims and their religion, we are in some way supporting these forces aswell by helping them create an "us" and "them". Instead we need to focus on talking more WITH eachother and not ABOUT eachother. Let's make fun of our own religion and let other people make fun of theirs. One last thing: Like some other people on this site have emphasized there are a big variety of muslims, just like there are a big variety of christians, jews etc. It's important to remember that, since we have a tendency to lump them all together.

Posted by: Marie Louise at February 15, 2006 02:51 PM (VrW9k)

120 These Muslims are absolutely right! You need to do your research on these animals before you make a statement. Might I suggest, http://www.prophetofdoom.net Lastly, do not compare Christian/Catholic priests to your animal supposed prophet. Sex offender priests are not the FOUNDERS of our religion. This would be like the West comparing Jesus to all of your Imams and their actions. Mohammed was a psycho path - schitzo (GENIUS)..who made up a religion and wrote a book only HE could understand. In order, to manipulate the masses and fulfill his desires for power and small children (6yr old wife when he was 54). Mohammedans I BEG you to try 1 riot in the USA over these cartoons then prepare for your reality check.

Posted by: All-Trac at February 15, 2006 03:01 PM (d5608)

121 My fellow infadels, I bid you farewell until next week, as I am making a star-studded trip to L.A. this weekend. I hope you all have a grand time as I make my hajj to Hollywood and visit the West Coast. Take care and don't blow yourselves up or any innocent bystanders. Remember, the 70 virgins are ready to meet you in hell if you kill innocents. How stupid can people be? "HEY, I have a great idea. I will tell people I have talked to mohomad and he told me to tell them to take a bath." If you stink, Shower. Enjoy the Buffet, GH

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 15, 2006 03:21 PM (bCz76)

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Posted by: blÃ¥ at February 15, 2006 03:46 PM (VrW9k)

123 FACT: They stick together and harbour criminals and murderers How can you trust that? Anything you do that they can latch on to and complain/protest about they will until the west has changed its laws so much that country will just be another Iraq. Then they move to the next one and so on You just dont see it yet. London is internationally known as Londonistan - go figure! Soon Ukistan? Germanistan? Polandistan? Denmarkistan? united states of stan? (lol) funny but true

Posted by: me at February 15, 2006 05:50 PM (GBkjS)

124 The slogan "Allah is great" just dosen't have a good ring to it. I think next time some Islamofacist chimp saws off someone's head or flys a plane into a building full of inocent people they should be yelling "Allah is swell" or "Allah is really cool" or "Allah's really pimpin'". Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, Allah. Which one doesn't belong? Answer: None of the above. John Lennon was right on when he sang "Imagine no religion". History has shown the carnage that has been caused by religions. Now we'll have to kill you.

Posted by: Ross at February 15, 2006 07:26 PM (08tHr)

125 Marie Louise, I want to remid you that it is NOT about the cartoon. These people believe it is their duty to eliminate the infidels. They are using the cartoons to justify their actions. The people killed recently, in the name of the cartoon, had nothing to do with the cartoon and had everything to do with being infidels in the eyes of these nut cases. It makes as much sense as us going out into the streets and hanging any Muslim we find because of the atrocities committed by radicla Muslims in the last 3 decades. If that were the case, we have run out of Muslims by now.

Posted by: Ross at February 15, 2006 07:36 PM (08tHr)

126 The answer to "why the good Muslims don't come forward" to protest or turn in the bad ones is this: If you are against them, even as a Muslim, you are an infedel too, and you deserve beheading. So I can see where some of them are living in fear and some of them are in agreement. I'm with Bush on this. You're either with us or gainst us. If you're harboring the enemy or inviting them to dinner you deserve to melt along with them. Smoke em if you got em.

Posted by: Ross at February 15, 2006 07:45 PM (08tHr)

127 The answer to "why the good Muslims don't come forward" to protest or turn in the bad ones is this: If you are against them, even as a Muslim, you are an infidel too, and you deserve beheading. So I can see where some of them are living in fear and some of them are in agreement. I'm with Bush on this. You're either with us or gainst us. If you're harboring the enemy or inviting them to dinner you deserve to melt along with them. Smoke em if you got em.

Posted by: Ross at February 15, 2006 07:45 PM (08tHr)

128 What do you get when you cross a pig with a Muslim? Nothing. There are some things a pig won't do.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 15, 2006 09:38 PM (08tHr)

129 When the they come you can not find any place to hide. And we will have no mercy towards the shits like you.

Posted by: muslimTURK at February 16, 2006 06:39 AM (TWyal)

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Posted by: pitzer at February 16, 2006 08:28 AM (7KKLn)

132 What was all that crap about moooo-hamed & science? Sorry, but science and islam are, in fact, antithetical. 1) The obstetrician mohammed: The cry of a newborn infant is caused by Satan. "...No child is born but he is pricked by the Satan and he begins to weep because of the pricking of the Satan..." (Sahih Muslim, Book 030, No. 5837) 2) The obstetrician/gynecologis mohammed: Seeing a snake could cause a pregnant woman to have an abortion. "The Prophet ordered that a short-tailed or mutilated-tailed snake (i.e. Abtar) should be killed, for it blinds the on-looker and causes abortions." (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 4, Book 54, No. 52

3) The bacteriologist mohammed: The housefly should be dipped into one's drink. "The Prophet said, 'If a house fly falls into the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."' (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 4, Book 54, No. 537) 4) The astronomer mohammed: Muhammad performed a miracle by "splitting the moon in two: "The moon was split (into two pieces) while we were with the Prophet in Mina. He said, 'Be witnesses.' Then a piece of the moon went towards the mountain." (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 5, Book 58, No. 209) (also mentioned in: Vol.4, Book 56, No. 830-832, Vol. 6, Book 60, No. 387) 5) The gastroenterologist mohammed: Non-Muslims Have Seven Intestines! "Ibn Umar reported Allah's Messenger as saying that a non-Muslim eats in seven intestines while a Muslim eats in one intestine." Hadith: Muslim, Vol. III, nos. 5113, Chapter DCCCLXII; see also nos. 5114-5120) 6) The genetecist/sexologist mohammed: "When Abdullah bin Salam heard of the arrival of the Prophet at Medina, he came to him and said, 'I am going to ask you about three things which nobody knows except a prophet: (1) What is the first sign of the Hour (i.e. the end of the world)? (2) What will be the first mean taken by the people of Paradise? (3) Why does a child resemble its father and why does it resemble its maternal uncle?' Allah's Apostle said, 'Gabriel just now told me of their answers.' Abdullah said, 'He (i.e. Gabriel), from amongst all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews.' Allah's Apostle said, 'The first sign of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the East to the West; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be extralobe of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets his discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets her discharge first, the child will resemble her.'" (Hadith: Bukhari, Vol. IV, no. 546) 7) The astronomer mohammed on the setting of the sun: Where does the sun go when it dips below the horizon? The sun goes down under the waters of a muddy pond. This is why darkness comes. See here: "When he (i.e. Zul-qarnain) reached the setting of the sun, he found that it set in a pond of murky water." (Surah 18:86)

The astronomer mohammed is afraid of an eclipse. "The sun eclipsed and the Prophet jumped up terriried that it might be the Hour [of judgment]." (Bukhari: Vol. 2, Book 167) 9) The mathemetician & gaming theorist mohammed prohibits chess: "Allah's Apostle said, 'He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine.'" (Hadith: Muslim, Vol. IV, no. 5612, Chapter CMXLVI) JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE. Your "prophet" was an ignorant, illiterate, murderous, covetous, robbing, polygamous, lecherous, pederastic, lying epileptic who preached hatred and violence. And that is exactly what i-slam is, as evidenced so well by the glorious postings of its glorious adherents who have cared so much to share their insanity with us on this web page: not a religion, but a psychotic death cult and inferiority complex predicated on hatred and violence.

Posted by: God_Is_A_Zionist at February 16, 2006 11:16 AM (eT793)

133 I am sorry, I could not get answer from your side to my question. I was not violent, I just asked a question, explanation. If you have justification, write, answer to all messages. Or God already, has punished you, may be you has dead, AMIN

Posted by: Metin at February 17, 2006 04:39 AM (Ltk/U)

134 Metin, Please learn how to write english before doing so. No one can understand a word you say!

Posted by: lovethissite at February 17, 2006 10:08 AM (0n37U)

135 THE WEB SITE DEVOLOPER'S I THINK YOU ARE THE MOTHER FUCKER.THE TONY BLAIR SAID TO YOU THAT I AGREE WITH YOU HE IS OLSO A MOTHER FUCKER.THE MUSLIMS ARE ON THE RIGHR WAY (YAHOOD)ARE ARE EDIOT'S.IN QURAN ALLAH SAYS THAT DON'T MAKE FRIEND SHIP LIKE THAT PEOPLES.THE MUSLIMS RESPECT THE OTHER RELIGONS BECAUSE NO ONE CAN LAUGH ON OUR RELIGON.WHO MAKE A CARTOON AND WHO SUPPORTING THEM ARE ALSO SCUM AND SON,SISTER,DAUGHTER.

Posted by: HASSAAN at February 17, 2006 12:52 PM (XEayT)

136 The best thing about this site is that you can hear it in their own words. No hearsay-right from their mouths. They expose themselves as people who will believe anything they are told by their clerics, no matter how outrageous or illogical. Apparently God created logic and Allah forgot to. And if you listen closely, they will tell you how they are tolerant of other religions and how they will kill all the dog jews and the other infidels. They will tell you how they want to live in our countries which we have worked hard through the past centuries to improve to this high standard of living. Yet, they want to live under islamic laws, not ours. They want our education which they obviously can't get in their countries. They want exceptions to separation of church and state so they can pray 5 times a day in school when the Christians can't. They want to take advantage of our benefits while they convert our countries into Islam. Their way of life, their religion and politics, is the reason that their quality of life is low. Now they want to plunder our gains by converting us into them and thereby destroying our nations as they wasted theirs. I say send them all back to the life they so desire. Convert all vehicles to 100% ethanol, stop trading with them, and let them drink their oil. In fairness to all illeterate and uneducated people of the world who can easily be led astray by anyone with an IQ of 20 or more, the problem stems from poverty, lack of education, and lack of health. These people lack the opportunities we have had. A good education would allow them to gain reason but by the time they get it in our countries, they have already been brainwashed from an early age. It will take decades to turn things around and by then they will have finally hit us hard enough that we will have no choice but to devistate them further. So for now, I suggest we hang all terrorists, Al Qaeda, and enemy combatants immediately and bury them with pigs rather than provide them Johnny Cochrain type attorneys. They are not citizens of our countries and don't deserve the rights we offer our people. Especially considering that they want to eliminate all our rights, starting with freedom of speech. If you are proud to be Al Qaeda, as is Zacarrious Moussoui (SP?)you will be proud to die and we won't have your friends taking hostages to try and get you out of jail.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 17, 2006 02:11 PM (08tHr)

137 I think that most of the stuff posted on here shows the ignorance of all people, Muslim and Christian. The foul language and hatred of both is against Islam and Christianity, and to invoke God in what you say is to shame him. This is obviously not about religion but zenophobia. To all you guys who call for all-out war against Muslims, I highly doubt that you would be in the armies that moved against them. I am proud to say that not all Westerners are as ignorant as you small-minded fools, and I am sure that many Muslims are in the same situation. I am ashamed to even be associated with you people!

Posted by: Dylan Kaiser at February 18, 2006 10:58 AM (u1CZF)

138 They don't know what are you doing! They are just trying to get the end of life.Armageddon...Mahşer...These people will be punished...Ignore that people.Because they are faithless...Everybody is friend in this world...And another too...

Posted by: archangel at February 18, 2006 11:06 AM (U2Lcl)

139 We respect Jesus, Moses and we believe that they were true messengers of God so pls respect our prophet Hz.Mohammed(asm).

Posted by: Yorukoglu at February 18, 2006 01:11 PM (5K/CK)

140 What are you doing? I can't understand. What do you want to Muslim to Allah?? You believe to Allah and we believe to Allah. What is different here?? Ha what?? Please be a HUMAN please. Thank you.

Posted by: peace at February 18, 2006 01:13 PM (7LYLo)

141 My biggest concern about the followers of islam, is that unlike any other religion i'm aware of, they have no recognition or respect for there nationality.There alegiance lies with other muslim's not their own country men. This scares me as my neighbour, if he were a muslim would become my enemy in the event of some global jihad. His religion would force him to look on me as an enemy even though he may have lived in my country his entire life. I have no problem with anyone following their chosen faith as long as their first allegiance is with their country NOT their religion.

Posted by: Gaspode at February 18, 2006 01:34 PM (lW/QQ)

142 Dylan Kaiser, It is my recommendation to you that you go to the Michael Savage site, savagenation.com, and witness the Armstrong beheading. Don't forget to turn on your sound. Will you do it? Are you truly objective? For the record, I am not Christian or any other. There have been hundreds of myths generated throughout the life of man as he attempts to find the answers to why we are here and where we are going. I too think we are all ignorant in the respect that our feeble minds connot comprehend what the answers are. Yet we kill each other because "our religion is the only true religion" and the rest of you have to go. Humans are a blight on the planet and the surviving animals will be better off without us when we are all gone.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 18, 2006 01:49 PM (08tHr)

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164 If you want to LEARN then DEFINATELY read this page, there is a lot of crap in here, but the truth can be found simply by reading these posts, everything you need to know is here and the sooner you realise that the safer your country may become! This is a silent invasion of civilised countries, nothing more, they (muslims) come and take over - nothing less, they have no faith in a country as has been proven on many occasions, let enough in and it starts, some country prints something which is perfectly acceptable to the west as is their right, we just show our approval or shun it, they protest, change laws, get votes (voting is done by the community leader - so what he votes they all vote), kiss your country good bye, whose next? Sorry, but thats the way it is portrayed to me and as i can see many others, time to wake up people, theres a silent invasion going on - best all vote some good party in who cares about their COUNTRY fast, i seriously think they should be denied a vote in a western country! So there it is.

Posted by: The_Truth at February 18, 2006 02:56 PM (kw3D5)

165 Freedom a myth? Dogs can have freedom without destroying the planet. Can people? Is freedom really the answer? Freedom and Democracy are good things theoretically if everyone can be relied upon to make the right, correct decision. Freedom is like a powerful force which can destroy as well as set free! That is why there can be no separation of church and state. That is why people must have right imposed on them by governments. That is why communism is the answer. Not democracy. We need to be spreading communism throughout the world, not democracy. Case in point: Palestinian election.

Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 18, 2006 05:27 PM (Y2ILH)

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Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 18, 2006 05:35 PM (Y2ILH)

167 In your heart how can you be right to worship a god of dark not The Light! So come walk that lonesome valley Hear's my hand, I'd give you my neck If I could only relate! Sing Hallelujuh! Hallelujah! Shine on Brothers and Sisters .... Sermon begins: Ladies and Gentlemen there are many here among us who choose the dark path and not the light! The dark lord is everywhere, he's here and there He is in this very room! The Lord of Light is everywhere, He's here and there He is in this very room! We must choose the Light brothers and sisters! We must Choose the Light! Let me hear you sing! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Shine on Brothers and Sisters Shine on, yeah shine on

Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 18, 2006 05:39 PM (Y2ILH)

168 Another case in point why Democracy and freedom cannot work! Our own Democracy which has allowed a maniacal, tyrannical, idealogical wannabe to buy into power and cause death and destruction of massive scale and effectively flush the host country down the toilet economically and morally, lowering it's standing in the world to the bottom rung of the ladder! That's why the silent Chinese will win. Common people cannot assume their own fates and direction. Communistic government must impose what is right upon it's people. Down with freedom, capitalism and democracy! Down with the Muslims too! They are as stupid, laughable and hypocritical as we are!

Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 18, 2006 06:35 PM (Y2ILH)

169 how this could happen?A holly man and these basic things from daily life can't be used for advertisement sector.NONSENSE...

Posted by: ---- at February 19, 2006 07:00 AM (a1Tv6)

170 plz dont do this this thing insist we muslims to convert terorists our prophet pbuh as god says in holy book was love for all worlds plz study islam and science u abused the most loving person of god u will suffer inshalla

Posted by: nauman marral at February 19, 2006 08:23 AM (1FSRc)

171 Thanks Administration! For insuring that Democracy and freedom will be a tough sell now that the whole world is turned off by it! That's okay however, because communism is what the world needs! That way capitalism cannot run rampant and destroy the planet, riches can be equally distributed to the masses. Share and share alike! No competition! No sicknesses! Only the business of living! Back to the way we were! Long live communism! Thanks again Bushies for making freedom and democracy an unpalatable commodity, so that communism can once again prevail!

Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 19, 2006 09:57 AM (Y2ILH)

172 Just look at the bigger picture - ALL the world needs to turn against muslims NOW while they still can, EVERY muslim is a potential TERRORIST, they will come and take over your country, the free world needs to unite NOW!!!!! For most countries it is too late, the rest of you - sit back and let them take over or quickly sort your government out. THIS IS SERIOUS - WHAT YOU DO NOW MAY SAVE YOUR COUNTRY many have now died over a cartoon (any excuse to kill infidels will do) - what reason will be the next one? they become stronger as your country becomes weaker. this is the FREE WORLD V MUSLIMS!!! thats all it ever has been and the sooner you realise that the better. SILENT INVASION is the right word for it, however it is no longer silent is it? theyre all just sleeper cells awaiting a signal and off they go on their rallies/marches/protests, burning the countries flags they were BORN in, rather than say - im British/American/German i am above this, they just follow what they are told like sheep, friends become enemies and deaths WILL occur (just watch the news). Your choice is FREEDOM or be over-ran and EXTERMINATED by them. THERE IS NO INBETWEEN! This is not the news you wanted to hear but it is the truth and is already happening. WAKE UP AND SEE IT!

Posted by: Muslims ARE Terrorists!!! at February 19, 2006 10:15 AM (oGr8v)

173 i hate all of you. you are making a very big mistake. These kind of behaviors makes us (Muslims) strong.

Posted by: Turkiye at February 19, 2006 01:37 PM (/x8dJ)

174 You Jihadists will find that a dog will only allow you to pull it's tail so many times before he bites. Pull it a little harder and see what happens. Treat them like politicians. Watch what they do, not what they say. All you honorable Muslims can show where you truly stand regarding peace and tolerance by banding together and denouncing the activities of your radical bretheren. I'm sure we'll see you protesting in the streets against those who are killing and pilaging, won't we.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 19, 2006 06:27 PM (08tHr)

175 For those Muslims who want to live in Britain under sharia law, I say you can go back to Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, or where ever you came from and find it there.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 19, 2006 09:51 PM (08tHr)

176 If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand, we'd be so simple we couldn't!

Posted by: Montana Fox at February 20, 2006 04:49 AM (0xSUt)

177 i think that the danish people were wrong n are dissing our religion cos they know its the one and true religion. i dnt blame the fellow muslim brothers to go around and stand up for their religion. it shows that we care and respect our religion

Posted by: ZUBAIR at February 20, 2006 05:51 AM (FbIuW)

178 i love the turbom still!

Posted by: Mr Mohamed at February 20, 2006 05:57 AM (dtjxn)

179 shut up ZUBIAR those muslim bastards deserve all whats coming to them they are all terrorist in my eyes and if they want that to stop send all the bastards to hell when USA send a nuke at the fucking mosque!

Posted by: the hobo at February 20, 2006 05:59 AM (dtjxn)

180 Zubair idiot! All you do is blashemize your own religion. You muslims are anal, bestial, arrogant and violent in nature and will seek any excuse to vent your anger and frustration, thereby cancelling out any pretended respect you have for anything at all!

Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 20, 2006 08:36 AM (Y2ILH)

181 Thanks to John Wayne mentality, the U.S. has demonstrated to the world what a ridiculous notion democracy is! That it can be bought ( hi-jacked ) by maniacal tyrannical wannabes. Who wants it now!? Democracy for sale! Discount prices! Dirt Cheap! Are there no buyers out there? I suspect not! Now we can get back to the business of communism where the rich don't get richer and the poor poorer, where health care concerns are a thing of the past and where capitalism does not run rampant, destroying our planet in the process! Let's face it! Democracy and freedom would be nice in a perfect world, where people can be counted on to make right choices. However, we are in the real world, where people must have right imposed on them by governments! A big hats off to those who hi-jacked democracy and dealt it a death-blow, making it laughable and inpalatable to the world thereby ushering in the notion for communism to resume it's rightful place!

Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 20, 2006 08:51 AM (Y2ILH)

182 ZUBAIR, Haven't you noticed that everyone who has a religion thinks it is "the one true religion". Even back in the old days when they would throw bones on the ground to tell the future and sprinkle each other with cat piss, or dance around someone whose heart had just been removed, because the rain god or fire god required due respect, they thought they were doing what was required of them by "God". Men just keep making this crap up as they go, trying to use their best reason to come up with the answer. That is why it all sounds reasonable now, but if mankind survives the next 500 years, they'll be looking back and saying what Chimps we must have been to believe all that crap. Believe whatever you want and say whatever you believe, without fear. That is freedom. But is it really worth sawing heads off of people who disagree? Muslims should be most offended by current events because other Muslims are giving you a bad name. And to TURKIE, you don't know strong. The word is spreading like a chain letter. More and more people are telling their friends to go to savagenation.com and witness the beheading of Mr. Armstrong. The anger that those images arouse in us will show you what strength really is. Everyone who views that site is worth another 100 dead Jihadists.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 20, 2006 03:44 PM (08tHr)

183 Please excuse my ignorance. Go to michaelsavage.com for the Armstrong beheading. savagenation.com will take you the long way around. May Allah forgive me.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 20, 2006 08:07 PM (08tHr)

184 You must be aware of the sentiments of muslim world? This very henious thing which you have done by pasting these very controversial pictures. I strongly condemn this act. Take it into your note whether you are a jew or Christian every Muslim has the same respect for "Moses" and "Jesus" those were the Prophets of Allah like Muhammad(PBUH). Despite Muhammad's(PBUH) so much miracles you don't think he was last messenger of Allah or atleast give him respect. Do investigate the truth and the right path before it's too late. Your's well wisher

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 03:28 AM (uEGB5)

185 If blowing up children is no problem with Allah why the problem with the cartoon?

Posted by: George W. Bush at February 21, 2006 03:36 AM (JwhMf)

186 Allah ask human beings to Ponder upon the truth and use your brain power in search of truth. Then follow the thing which appeal you. Now check this site who cliams to be on truth. check it how much thay are logical in thier claim www.harunyahya.com Please try to avoid to do anything by which's intensity you are unaware.

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 03:44 AM (uEGB5)

187 We can't blame Allah for anything. It's we who do wrong and blame Allah for our wrong deeds. And every wrong doer is condemnable. Either he is blowing up children or desecrating respectables in the form of cartoons or any other way.

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 03:50 AM (uEGB5)

188 Check this might be helpful for your understanding. www.convertstoislam.com

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 04:26 AM (uEGB5)

189 always heed logical things.

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 04:28 AM (uEGB5)

190 Don't we people think that Why so many people are embracing Islam, even some bigwigs and opinion leaders embreced Islam like Cate Stevens(Yousaf Islam) and Muhammad Ali the great Boxer. Whether thay are maid or thay found something irrefutable. The verasity of Islam is Lucid like the Sun if we become Fair in decision making. And fairness in this regard is necessity of man itself. Just go look around and feel the truth.

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:24 AM (uEGB5)

191 Don't we think that why so much people are embracing Islam, rather some bigwigs and opinion leaders like Cate Stevens(Yousaf Islam), the Great Player Muhammad Ali did. Whether they are maid or found something appealing and irrefutable.

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:29 AM (uEGB5)

192 Cate Stevens Qoutes "How I Came To Islam By Yusuf Islam January 1st, 1985"

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:32 AM (uEGB5)

193 Yusuf Islam (earlier Cat Stevens) (born July 21,194

was a British singer-songwriter. Born Stephen Demetre Georgiou in London, he sold 40 million albums, mostly in the 1960s and 1970s. In 1971, he wrote music for the film Harold and Maude. His most popular songs include "Morning Has Broken," "Peace Train" "Moonshadow," "Wild World," "Father and Son," "Matthew and Son," and "Oh Very Young." Many of them were performed only with him playing either the guitar or piano. Stevens became a convert to Islam in 1978 after a near-death experience. He adopted the name "Yusuf Islam" and became an outspoken spokesman for the religion. Stevens currently lives with his wife and five children in London, where he is an active member of the Muslim community. He founded the charities Muslim Aid and Small Kindness to assist famine victims in Africa. A box set of his music, as well as remastered versions of his original albums recorded under the name of Cat Stevens has since been released on compact disc.........

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:34 AM (uEGB5)

194 All I have to say is all what you know already, to confirm what you already know, the message of the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) as given by God - the Religion of Truth. As human beings we are given a consciousness and a duty that has placed us at the top of creation . Man is created to be God's deputy on earth, and it is important to realize the obligation to rid ourselves of all illusions and to make our lives a preparation for the next life. Anybody who misses this chance is not likely to be given another, to be brought back again and again, because it says in Qur'an Majeed that when man is brought to account, he will say, "O Lord, send us back and give us another chance." The Lord will say, "If I send you back you will do the same." I was brought up in the modern world of all the luxury and the high life of show business. I was born in a Christian home, but we know that every child is born in his original nature - it is only his parents that turn him to this or that religion. I was given this religion (Christianity) and thought this way. I was taught that God exists, but there was no direct contact with God, so we had to make contact with Him through Jesus - he was in fact the door to God. This was more or less accepted by me, but I did not swallow it all. I looked at some of the statues of Jesus; they were just stones with no life. And when they said that God is three, I was puzzled even more but could not argue. I more or less believed it, because I had to have respect for the faith of my parents. Gradually I became alienated from this religious upbringing. I started making music. I wanted to be a big star. All those things I saw in the films and on the media took hold of me, and perhaps I thought this was my God, the goal of making money. I had an uncle who had a beautiful car. "Well," I said, "he has it made. He has a lot of money." The people around me influenced me to think that this was it; this world was their God. I decided then that this was the life for me; to make a lot of money, have a 'great life.' Now my examples were the pop stars. I started making songs, but deep down I had a feeling for humanity, a feeling that if I became rich I would help the needy. (It says in the Qur'an, we make a promise, but when we make something, we want to hold onto it and become greedy.) So what happened was that I became very famous. I was still a teenager, my name and photo were splashed in all the media. They made me larger than life, so I wanted to live larger than life and the only way to do that was to be intoxicated (with liquor and drugs). ....

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:35 AM (uEGB5)

195 IN HOSPITAL After a year of financial success and 'high' living, I became very ill, contracted TB and had to be hospitalized. It was then that I started to think: What was to happen to me? Was I just a body, and my goal in life was merely to satisfy this body? I realized now that this calamity was a blessing given to me by Allah, a chance to open my eyes - "Why am I here? Why am I in bed?" - and I started looking for some of the answers. At that time there was great interest in the Eastern mysticism. I began reading, and the first thing I began to become aware of was death, and that the soul moves on; it does not stop. I felt I was taking the road to bliss and high accomplishment. I started meditating and even became a vegetarian. I now believed in 'peace and flower power,' and this was the general trend. But what I did believe in particular was that I was not just a body. This awareness came to me at the hospital. One day when I was walking and I was caught in the rain, I began running to the shelter and then I realized, 'Wait a minute, my body is getting wet, my body is telling me I am getting wet.' This made me think of a saying that the body is like a donkey, and it has to be trained where it has to go. Otherwise, the donkey will lead you where it wants to go. Then I realized I had a will, a God-given gift: follow the will of God. I was fascinated by the new terminology I was learning in the Eastern religion. By now I was fed up with Christianity. I started making music again and this time I started reflecting my own thoughts. I remember the lyric of one of my songs. It goes like this: "I wish I knew, I wish I knew what makes the Heaven, what makes the Hell. Do I get to know You in my bed or some dusty cell while others reach the big hotel?" and I knew I was on the Path. I also wrote another song, "The Way to Find God Out." I became even more famous in the world of music. I really had a difficult time because I was getting rich and famous, and at the same time, I was sincerely searching for the Truth. Then I came to a stage where I decided that Buddhism is all right and noble, but I was not ready to leave the world. I was too attached to the world and was not prepared to become a monk and to isolate myself from society. I tried Zen and Ching, numerology, tarot cards and astrology. I tried to look back into the Bible and could not find anything. At this time I did not know anything about Islam, and then, what I regarded as a miracle occurred. My brother had visited the mosque in Jerusalem and was greatly impressed that while on the one hand it throbbed with life (unlike the churches and synagogues which were empty), on the other hand, an atmosphere of peace and tranquillity prevailed. .....

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:37 AM (uEGB5)

196 THE QUR'AN When he came to London he brought back a translation of the Qur'an, which he gave to me. He did not become a Muslim, but he felt something in this religion, and thought I might find something in it also. And when I received the book, a guidance that would explain everything to me - who I was; what was the purpose of life; what was the reality and what would be the reality; and where I came from - I realized that this was the true religion; religion not in the sense the West understands it, not the type for only your old age. In the West, whoever wishes to embrace a religion and make it his only way of life is deemed a fanatic. I was not a fanatic, I was at first confused between the body and the soul. Then I realized that the body and soul are not apart and you don't have to go to the mountain to be religious. We must follow the will of God. Then we can rise higher than the angels. The first thing I wanted to do now was to be a Muslim. I realized that everything belongs to God, that slumber does not overtake Him. He created everything. At this point I began to lose the pride in me, because hereto I had thought the reason I was here was because of my own greatness. But I realized that I did not create myself, and the whole purpose of my being here was to submit to the teaching that has been perfected by the religion we know as Al-Islam. At this point I started discovering my faith. I felt I was a Muslim. On reading the Qur'an, I now realized that all the Prophets sent by God brought the same message. Why then were the Jews and Christians different? I know now how the Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah and that they had changed His Word. Even the Christians misunderstand God's Word and called Jesus the son of God. Everything made so much sense. This is the beauty of the Qur'an; it asks you to reflect and reason, and not to worship the sun or moon but the One Who has created everything. The Qur'an asks man to reflect upon the sun and moon and God's creation in general. Do you realize how different the sun is from the moon? They are at varying distances from the earth, yet appear the same size to us; at times one seems to overlap the other. Even when many of the astronauts go to space, they see the insignificant size of the earth and vastness of space. They become very religious, because they have seen the Signs of Allah. When I read the Qur'an further, it talked about prayer, kindness and charity. I was not a Muslim yet, but I felt that the only answer for me was the Qur'an, and God had sent it to me, and I kept it a secret. But the Qur'an also speaks on different levels. I began to understand it on another level, where the Qur'an says, "Those who believe do not take disbelievers for friends and the believers are brothers." Thus at this point I wished to meet my Muslim brothers. .....

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:38 AM (uEGB5)

197 CONVERSION Then I decided to journey to Jerusalem (as my brother had done). At Jerusalem, I went to the mosque and sat down. A man asked me what I wanted. I told him I was a Muslim. He asked what was my name. I told him, "Stevens." He was confused. I then joined the prayer, though not so successfully. Back in London, I met a sister called Nafisa. I told her I wanted to embrace Islam and she directed me to the New Regent Mosque. This was in 1977, about one and a half years after I received the Qur'an. Now I realized that I must get rid of my pride, get rid of Iblis, and face one direction. So on a Friday, after Jumma' I went to the Imam and declared my faith (the Kalima) at this hands. You have before you someone who had achieved fame and fortune. But guidance was something that eluded me, no matter how hard I tried, until I was shown the Qur'an. Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, "You don't understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate." What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers. The only thing that moves the believers from the disbelievers is the salat. This is the process of purification. Finally I wish to say that everything I do is for the pleasure of Allah and pray that you gain some inspirations from my experiences. Furthermore, I would like to stress that I did not come into contact with any Muslim before I embraced Islam. I read the Qur'an first and realized that no person is perfect. Islam is perfect, and if we imitate the conduct of the Holy Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) we will be successful. May Allah give us guidance to follow the path of the ummah of Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam). Ameen!

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:39 AM (uEGB5)

198 Unqoutes Now read this story and be fair with yourself. And read the word of Allah The "Quran" that was sent by Allah on his Last messenger Muhammad(PBUH).Has crystal clear message from Allah to All human Beings. For Reading Quran(The word of Allah) you find many webs but the following will definitely be useful. http://www.asanquran.com/Quran.cfm

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:46 AM (uEGB5)

199 Karla's conversion to Islam "How could you, an educated American woman convert to Islam - a religion that oppresses women?" - Blonde-haired blue-eyed, former Christian, Karla, explains how her theological dissatisfaction with the doctrine of Jesus as God and her discovery of the rights given to women in Islam led her to become a Muslim. Glossary for non-Muslim readers dawa - invitation to Islam shahada - profession of Islamic faith My conversion process to Islam was a long one (it took 20 years!). It started when I was 12. I went to this over-priced private school...very Anglophile...made us wear uniforms...had us in Forms, rather than grades, etc. Anyway, we were studying the major religions of the world--had a little book on Christianity, one on Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism. I remember being really fascinated with Islam, and thinking that Muslims weren't hypocrites like the Christians I knew. I remember two things really standing out for me. One, being the focus on one God alone. I had always had questions about Christianity's viewing Jesus as God--and how that went against the first commandment. The second item that stood out was salat. Not just praying five times/day, but how the majority of the prayer focused on worshiping God. In Christianity, our prayers tended to be "gimme prayers." "God, give me this...God give me that." I went to college in Washington DC, which has a pretty large Muslim population. My interest in Islam was still definitely there--although I was way too shy. I used to do "drive by mosquings"--going by the Islamic Center on Mass Ave., too shy to go in. Once I called to see if they had classes for people interested in Islam, but I never received a call back. I did buy myself a copy of the Qur'an, and began to read it. It was amazing. It just kind of went into my heart, y'know? The thing that really amazed me about Islam from the beginning, were the rights given to women. I know many people today would laugh at me for such a statement, but as somebody who has read the Bible--I saw rights given to women in Islam that were never given to women in the Bible. Women were given the right to refuse a partner in marriage; whereas, in typical Christian Western Culture at the time (600s CE), women were basically viewed as their father's property--to marry as he saw fit. Women were guaranteed a portion of their father's and husband's inheritance; whereas, in the West, that inheritance typically went only to the eldest son. Women had the right to own property and enter into contracts. A right that women in the United States did not obtain until the mid-Nineteenth Century. The Prophet Muhammed preached against female infanticide--a common practice of the time, and one that is still a problem in India and China. Of course, today it is a high-tech female infanticide--abortions done after an ultrasound to determine the sex of the child. Both men and women were admonished to seek knowledge from "the cradle to the grave." Unfortunately, culture seems to interfere with some of those rights these days. During my senior year, I found a dawa program on TV called, "Islam." It featured a western looking woman anchor who would interview people on various topics regarding Islam. I believe it was put out by the Islamic Information Service, but I'm not sure. I became totally addicted to this show...actually setting my VCR to tape it, if I was going to be out. I don't remember which channel it was on--just that it was shown on Fridays, and that each show began with "In the name of God, Most Merciful, Most Gracious." When the shahadah show came on, I knew I believed...so I said it with my TV. In God's mind did I become a Muslim then? I don't know. Unfortunately, I did not know any Muslims to talk to about Islam. I was also very worried about what my friends and family would think. Sometime following graduation (I think this was 1990 or 1991), the Saudi Embassy sponsored an Islamic Art exhibit downtown. I remember asking one of the exhibitors if they had any additional information on Islam--and the guy said, "No." I was crushed. I just didn't know where to turn to find out more about Islam. Who to talk to about my questions. I was just too shy to go into a mosque. I didn't even know if I could go in, as a woman. I didn't know if I'd be properly dressed...or if I'd be the only non-Arabic speaking person there. I just kept reading my Qur'an, and asking God the questions. Hoping God would answer my prayers. My hunger for God did not cease, however....so I decided to go with a more conventional religion, and became a Christian sometime during my mid-20s. The problem was, I always had questions/doubts regarding Christianity---mainly about the concept of the Trinity/Divinity of Jesus. Jesus as God just didn't make sense to me--as it would go against the First commandment and what Jesus himself seemed to practice. He always focused on God the Father, so to speak. When asked, he said that the Greatest Commandment was to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. God--singular. That's something I've always strived to do, and hope to improve at still. I asked a few different pastors about my doubts, and the response I would get would be, "You simply need to have faith." I remember in one Bible study class this guy started saying all these lies about Muslims. I spoke up, and said, "That's not true." and began to tell the people in my Sunday School about what Muslims really believed. See...even then...I couldn't deny the shahadah. I still believed that there was only one God, God, and that Muhammad was the Prophet of God. While at grad school in Tennessee, I contacted the Muslim Student Association on campus. Two sisters met me at a local bakery for tea. Unfortunately, they didn't really understand that I wanted to convert--and the whole meeting was rather bizarre. I decided that I would just consider myself a Monotheist, and call it a day. I would read on all of the major Monotheistic faiths--Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. I became more and more uncomfortable with Christianity, though. If I went into a church, and there was a crucifix on the wall...it would weird me out. It seemed like an idol that people were worshipping. I did enjoy learning more about Judaism--and found it to be the closest to Islam. Sadly, the two brothers fight way too much these days. I joined my current company almost two years ago. Coincidentally during my HR orientation, there was a guy who I would work a lot with there. He ended up working for me on numerous projects, and we became friends. He was just out of college, and a rebel. I started asking him how he could drink, if he was a Muslim (threatened to tell his Mom)....asked him why he didn't go to Jummah (Friday) prayer, etc. Over the course of a year, I realized that in talking to him, I was really talking to myself. (I don't drink though--never have.) So around last February, I went to our local Islamic Center's New Muslims class on a Wednesday night. There was nobody there. One of the brothers kept saying...just wait for Isha (the evening prayer)...the Imam (religious leader) will be here...but I felt too uncomfortable. I left. About four weeks later, I tried again. There was a class going on. That night, 10-11 years after I had first said shahadah in my apartment in DC in front of a TV set, I said shahadah in front of the Imam, a Muslim Sister, and a whole bunch of people interested in Islam. Since that time, I've learned to pray (something I had tried to teach myself through the Web and videos for years!)...and begun to study Arabic. Insha'Allah (God willing), one day I'll be able to read and understand the Qur'an in Arabic. I'm totally amazed that I can already read certain bits of the Qur'an; although, my vocabulary does not allow me to understand much...yet. Monday, October 8th 2001, was a momentous day in my life as a Muslim as well. I wore hijab (Muslim head covering) for the first time ever to work as part of the Scarves for Solidarity campaign. I was the celebrity at work--people kept walking by my office door, etc. I had posted articles about "Scarves for Solidarity" as well as Islam on the door. And when people asked me, "Are you one of them?" or "Are you a Muslim?" I said, "Yes." So now I'm out of the "Muslim-closet" at work. I guess people just assumed that a blonde-haired blue-eyed person could not be a Muslim. The main question people seem to ask, is "How could you, an educated American woman convert to Islam--a religion that oppresses women?" They are quick to try and equate the rights of women in Afghanistan with the rights of Muslim women everywhere. Basically, what I tell them, is that the Qur'an gives women more rights than the Bible does--in print. That was one of the things that first drew me to Islam. Unfortunately today, Islam is no longer the leader in women's rights. I had a choice--deny what I believe (i.e. that There is only one God, and that Muhammed is a Prophet of God)...or accept what I believe, but work to change the problems that exist within the Muslim community. I chose the latter. Sister Karla

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 05:51 AM (uEGB5)

200 A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the U.S. Following September 11 Excerpts from "Muslim American Leaders: A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the U.S. Following September 11" Ã‚Â© Middle East Media & Research Institute Muslim American reports in the Arab press indicate that Muslim proselytizing efforts have been unusually successful since the September 11 attacks. 'Alaa Bayumi, Director of Arab Affairs at the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), wrote in the London daily Al-Hayat that "non-Muslim Americans are now interested in getting to know Islam. There are a number of signs...: Libraries have run out of books on Islam and the Middle East... English translations of the Koran head the American best-seller list... The Americans are showing increasing willingness to convert to Islam since September 11... Thousands of non-Muslim Americans have responded to invitations to visit mosques, resembling the waves of the sea [crashing on the shore] one after another... All this is happening in a political atmosphere that, at least verbally, encourages non-Muslim Americans' openness towards Muslims in America and in the Islamic world, as the American president has said many times in his speeches..."(1) CAIR chairman Nihad Awad told the Saudi paper 'Ukaz that "34,000 Americans have converted to Islam following the events of September 11, and this is the highest rate reached in the U.S. since Islam arrived there."(2) According to Dr. Walid A. Fatihi, instructor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, Boston has recently become a center of Islamic proselytizing aimed at Christians. On September 22, 2001, Al-Fatihi sent a letter to the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi, in which he described the unfolding of events since September 11: "...From the first day, the media began to insinuate that Muslim Arab hands were behind this incident. At noon, the directors and administration of the Islamic Center of Boston held an emergency meeting, and I stayed on the line with them from my clinic. We decided to hold a blood drive, and we set up a committee to contact the Red Cross and organize it for us. We invited the media to cover the event..." "All of us tried to grab onto every scrap of information that would indicate that Muslim Arab hands were not involved in the loathsome crime. Yes, my brothers and sisters, we tried to prove our humanity on the day we found ourselves attacked from all sides. Our hearts bled and our spokesman said that proselytizing in the name of Allah had been set back 50 years in the U.S. and in the entire world..." "On Saturday, September 15, I went with my wife and children to the biggest church in Boston, [Trinity Church in] Copley Square, by official invitation of the Islamic Society of Boston, to represent Islam by special invitation of the senators of Boston. Present were the mayor of Boston, his wife, and the heads of the universities. There were more than 1,000 people there, with media coverage by one of Boston's main television stations. We were received like ambassadors. I sat with my wife and children in the front row, next to the mayor's wife. In his sermon, the priest defended Islam as a monotheistic religion, telling the audience that I represented the Islamic Society of Boston." "After the sermon was over, he stood at my side as I read an official statement issued by the leading Muslim clerics condemning the incident [i.e. the attacks]. The statement explained Islam's stance and principles, and its sublime precepts. Afterwards, I read Koran verses translated into English... These were moments that I will never forget, because the entire church burst into tears upon hearing the passages of the words of Allah!!" "Emotion swept over us. One said to me: 'I do not understand the Arabic language, but there is no doubt that the things you said are the words of Allah.' As she left the church weeping, a woman put a piece of paper in my hand; on the paper was written: 'Forgive us for our past and for our present. Keep proselytizing to us.' Another man stood at the entrance of the church, his eyes teary, and said, 'You are just like us; no, you are better than us.'" (3) "On Sunday, September 16, the Islamic Society of Boston issued an open invitation to the Islamic Center in Cambridge, located between Harvard and MIT. We did not expect more than 100 people, but to our surprise more than 1,000 people came, among them the neighbors, the university lecturers, members of the clergy, and even the leaders of the priests from the nearby churches, who invited us to speak on Islam. All expressed solidarity with Muslims. Many questions flowed to us. Everyone wanted to know about Islam and to understand its precepts." "Of all the questions, not a single one attacked me; on the contrary, we saw [the people's] eyes filling with tears when they heard about Islam and its sublime principles. Many of them had never heard about Islam before. Well, they had heard about Islam only through the biased media. That same day, I was invited again to participate in a meeting in the church, and again I saw the same things. On Thursday, a delegation of 300 students and lecturers from Harvard visited the center of the Islamic Society of Boston, accompanied by the American Ambassador to Vienna. They sat on the floor of the mosque, which was filled to capacity. We explained to them the precepts of Islam, and defended it from any suspicions [promulgated in the media]. I again read to them from the verses of Allah, and [their] eyes filled with tears. The audience was moved, and many asked to participate in the weekly lessons for non-Muslims held by the Islamic Center..." "On Friday, September 21, the Muslims participated in a closed meeting with the governor of Massachusetts. In the meeting, a discussion was held on introducing Islam into the school curriculum, to inform the [American] people and to fight racism against Muslims arising from the American people's ignorance regarding the religion. With the governor's support, measures to examine implementation of this goal were agreed upon..." "These are only some of the examples of what happened and is happening in the city of Boston, and in many other American cities, during these days. Proselytizing in the name of Allah has not been undermined, and has not been set back 50 years, as we thought in the first days after September 11. On the contrary, the 11 days that have passed are like 11 years in the history of proselytizing in the name of Allah. I write to you today with the absolute confidence that over the next few years, Islam will spread in America and in the entire world, Allah willing, much more quickly than it has spread in the past, because the entire world is asking, 'What is Islam!'(4) Fatihi's reports of American Christians' crying upon hearing Koranic verses have an historical context. This type of narrative is about part of the ethos of Islamic proselytizing. It comes from the tradition of the Prophet Muhammad's invitation to the Christian community of Najran, located in what is today North Yemen, to visit the mosque. When the Christians of Najran were exposed to the verses of the Koran, the tradition says they burst into tears and converted to Islam. Fatihi also published an article in the London daily Al-Hayat: "...There are initial signs that the intensive campaign of education about Islam has begun to bear fruit. For example, the rate of converts to Islam since September 11 has doubledÂ… There is solidarity with the Muslims on the part of many non-Muslims in American universities. For example, dozens of non-Muslim American women students at Wayne [State] UniversityÂ… have put on veils as a symbol of identification with the Muslim women students at the university and at the other universities of America." "One of the most important topics [in an NPR broadcast] was an interview with several young women at American universities who recently converted to Islam through the Islamic Society of Boston. They hold advanced degrees from universities in Boston, such as Harvard, and they spoke of the power and the greatness of Islam, of the elevated status of women in Islam, and of why they converted to Islam. The program was broadcast several times across the entire U.S..." (5) Notes and references: (1) Al-Hayat (London), November 11, 2001 (2) Al-Ayyam (London), November 12, 2001 (3) The phenomenon of sincere Christians shedding tears as they recognize the truth and beauty of Islam is mentioned in the Qur'an: And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud. When they listen to that which hath been revealed unto the messengers, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears because of their recognition of the Truth. They say: Our Lord, we believe. Inscribe us as among the witnesses [Qur'an 5:82-83] (4) Al-Ahram Al-Arabi (Egypt), October 20, 2001 (5) Al-Hayat (London), November 11, 2001 Also see : A NATION CHALLENGED: AMERICAN MUSLIMS; Islam Attracts Converts By the Thousand, Drawn Before and After Attacks By JODI WILGOREN Source: The New York Times : October 22, 2001, Monday Section: National Desk http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/22/national/22CONV.html or : http://www.alhewar.com/nyt_islam_attracts.htm Interest in Islam mounts after hijacking atrocity Guardian Newspapers Searching Americans Embrace The Logic Behind The Teachings Of Islam "It's like seeing God without all the baggage," By Tara Dooley, Star-Telegram (Fort Worth, Texas) ISLAM ATTRACTS CONVERTS BY THE THOUSANDS, DRAWN BEFORE AND AFTER ATTACKS Italian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Converts to Islam Fast-growing Islam winning converts in Western world : CNN . A matter of faith: Islam is fastest-growing religion in U.S. The Mosque in America: A National Portrait Jermaine Jackson convert to Islam ? British journalist Yvonne Ridley embraced Islam 2 Increasing Number of Russians Adopting Islam ________________________________________ "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3 "Already more than a billion-people strong, Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion." ABCNEWS, Abcnews.com "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country." NEWSDAY, March7,1989, p.4 "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States..." NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1 "Moslems are the world's fastest-growing group..." USA TODAY, The population referance bureau, Feb. 17, 1989, p.4A "Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities." Encyclopedia Britannica "There are more Muslims in North America then Jews Now." Dan Rathers, CBSNEWS "Islam is the fastest growing religion in North America." TIMES MAGAZINE "Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" CNN, December 15, 1995 "The religion of Islam is growing faster than any other religion in the world." MIKE WALLACE, 60 MINUTES "Five to 6 million strong, Muslims in America already outnumber Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Mormons, and they are more numerous than Quakers, Unitarians, Seventh-day Adventists, Mennonites, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Scientists, combined. Many demographers say Islam has overtaken Judaism as the country's second-most commonly practiced religion; others say it is in the passing lane." JOHAN BLANK, US NEWS (7/20/9

"In fact, religion experts say Islam is the second-largest religion in the United States... Islam has 5 million to 6 million members, followed by Judaism, with approximately 4.5 million..... And Islam is believed to be fastest-growing religion in the country, with half its expansion coming from new immigrants and the other half from conversions." By ELSA C. ARNETT, Knight-Ridder News Service "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'aan about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of Allah." Professor Keith Moore, one of the world's prominent scientists of anatomy and embryology. University of Toronto, Canada. "But Islam has a still further service to render to the cause of humanity. It stands after all nearer to the real East than Europe does, and it possesses a magnificent tradition of inter-racial understanding and cooperation. No other society has such a record of success uniting in an equality of status, of opportunity, and of endeavours so many and so various races of mankind . . Islam has still the power to reconcile apparently irreconcilable elements of race and tradition. If ever the opposition of the great societies of East and West is to be replaced by cooperation, the mediation of Islam is an indispensable condition. In its hands lies very largely the solution of the problem with which Europe is faced in its relation with East. If they unite, the hope of a peaceful issue is immeasurably enhanced. But if Europe, by rejecting the cooperation of Islam, throws it into the arms of its rivals, the issue can only be disastrous for both." H.A.R. Gibb, WHITHER ISLAM, London, 1932, p. 379. "It (Islam) replaced monkishness by manliness. It gives hope to the slave, brotherhood to mankind, and recognition of the fundamental facts of human nature." Canon Taylor, Paper read before the Church Congress at Walverhamton, Oct. 7, 1887; Quoted by Arnoud in THE PREACHING OF ISLAM, pp. 71-72. "The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he? " Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727 "How, for instance, can any other appeal stand against that of the Moslem who, in approaching the pagan, says to him, however obscure or degraded he may be 'Embrace the faith, and you are at once equal and a brother.' Islam knows no color line." (S. S. Leeder, VEILED MYSTERIES OF EGYPT) "My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level." Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33. "Everything made so much sense. This is the beauty of the Qur'an; it asks you to reflect and reason....When I read the Qur'an further, it talked about prayer, kindness and charity. I was not a Muslim yet, but I felt the only answer for me was the Qur'an and God had sent it to me." Cat Stevens (YusufIslam), former British pop star. "History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated." De Lacy O'Leary, ISLAM AT THE CROSSROADS, London, 1923, p. 8. "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. 1, No. 81936. "I am not a Muslim in the usual sense, though I hope I am a "Muslim" as "one surrendered to God," but I believe that embedded in the Quran and other expressions of the Islamic vision are vast stores of divine truth from which I and other occidentals have still much to learn, and 'Islam is certainly a strong contender for the supplying of the basic framework of the one religion of the future.'" W. Montgomery Watt, ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY TODAY, London, 1983, p. ix. "He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports." Bosworth Smith, MOHAMMAD AND MOHAMMADANISM, London, 1874, p. 92. "The doctrine of brotherhood of Islam extends to all human beings, no matter what color, race or creed. Islam is the only religion which has been able to realize this doctrine in ractice. Muslims wherever on the world they are will recognize each other as brothers." Mr. R. L. Mellema, Holland, Anthropologist, Writer and Scholar.

Posted by: adil at February 21, 2006 06:18 AM (uEGB5)

201 Blah fucking Blah Adil - another brainwashed sackashit. USA has the right idea - turn away undesirables like cat stevens! That guy who posted about them changing laws and democracy above is CORRECT, they infiltrate, breed like rats and start taking over, my country now has NO-GO areas for none muslims (walk down their streets at your own peril!) They DO start interfereing with democratic laws, take Britain for instance, theres now 2 million muslims (probably more) there, they are starting rallies etc, they also want to change the laws for their own purposes (hacking hands off and public stonings etc), 4% also agree Britain is too soft and that it should be ran by muslims - taken by force if needed!!!! (Yes - read the papers). These muslims should NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE as they arent voting on democratic views but religious views. They come, they breed, they change laws, they take over - look around people - Holland/France etc etc - it is HAPPENING NOW. They dont integrate, they are a disease that takes over! None muslim = Infidel = KILL in their eyes. FREE YOUR COUNTRY!

Posted by: Democracy at February 21, 2006 09:11 AM (9FaXW)

202 I think EyeOnEye would love a nice t-shirt that says "Fundamentalist Muslims Get So Mad They Blow Up" or "Islam is a Blast" to show his solidarity with peace loving peoples everywhere, especially Danes. Free your country, Democracy, Amen. Poke the badger in his eye with our rights to speak freely. After all, Christ, JHVH and the Buddha certainly get their share of crap. Heck, people make bongs out of the buddha. Is the Dalai Lama out burning the Embassy of Potsmokeria ? No, because he's a smart guy and understands that speaking freely is important. (And, well...he's a total pacifist and all-around Great Guy.) But sheesh. Muslims around this area are mobilizing to be able to live under Sharia---and this in North America. If you wanted to live under sharia, why did you leave your crappy country in the first place ? Allah can go f**k himself, (Also a t-shirt) for taking all these folks who might otherwise have been decent bridge partners and convincing them that hacking off hands is a substantive and desirable way to govern. Our best t, and the one I think that describes the plight we all face: "My other boyfriend is a Danish cartoonist." Speak freely!

Posted by: Mohammed Mo Problems at February 21, 2006 11:23 AM (A6pZg)

203 Have any Muslims taken a bath since I left for California? I hope you have all learned to spell, you illiterate pigs. How does it feel to know that Israel has whipped your stinking asses every time you have tried to attack them with an army. Now all you can do is send some ignorant dirt farmer to blow themselves up and sent them to Hell because they killed innocent people. Why don't you face the facts and know that the Jewish people will ALWAYS rule you and even though you have more than 100 times as many people in you countries, they still send you home with an "I just spanked the neighbors pig" look on your face. I am not Jewish, but I wish I was so I could brag that we pissed on muhammed when he descended into Hell. Enjoy the Buffet, GH

Posted by: Goat Herder at February 22, 2006 08:00 AM (bCz76)

204 The only reason Muslims have the fastest growing religion in Europe is because they breed like rats and continue to infiltrate the country.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 22, 2006 10:33 AM (1I9zJ)

205 Adil, Are you out of your mind or are you a schizophrenic?!! What the hell is all this shit talk about. Man you are insain! Get a life!!! Don't you have anything better to do then to write a book on this site!

Posted by: lovethissite at February 22, 2006 10:55 AM (0n37U)

206 P.S. You Chimps aren't converting anyone. You just fcuk like monkeys.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 22, 2006 11:30 AM (1I9zJ)

207 ADIL? Gee? What color were your socks? Did you have salt on your lunch? Did you use sugar or honey in your tea? What was the color of the floor in the mosque you mentioned? You mentioned something about 11 days, what happened on the 5th day? And the 10th day? What about the 15th day? What was your grandmother wearing? Did you purposely fail to leave out this highly coveted trivia from your long-winded mindless discourse? I was reading intently for a while, but soon began skimming as I realized the needless detail coming from someone obviously infatuated with himself/herself. Like they say .... GET A LIFE!

Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 22, 2006 01:01 PM (Y2ILH)

208 AS for Cat STevens and Mohammed Ali ... they are both brain-dead!

Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 22, 2006 01:05 PM (Y2ILH)

209 Mohammed Ali is brain-dead from too many blows to the head, and Cat Stevens is brain-dead 'cause he failed to use ear plugs!

Posted by: Paladin Lightwing at February 22, 2006 01:08 PM (Y2ILH)

210 Make no mistake about it, these fundamentalist fruitcakes want to dominate the world. Of course, it's okay for them to do that, because they have the Truth, whereas everyone else is deceived. They really don't understand why we should be offended by this point of view. They really don't! I can imagine them reading the previous paragraph and thinking to themselves, "Well, of course!" There is only one way to deal with this kind of aggression: smite them. "Smite them," as the Old Testament says, "hip and thigh." Beat on them until they cry for mercy. It's the only way. Barbarians respect only force; to a barbarian, the attributes of civilization are incomprehensible, and are regarded as proofs of weakness. Make no mistake. The combination of money, hatred and a religion that can be used to justify atrocity on a bestial level will inevitably lead to some incidences of monumental suffering in the West. I firmly believe that New York City will be destroyed by Muslims, sooner or later, with a nuke they've managed to smuggle into the country. Those who will have orchestrated this abomination won't care how many Muslims die in the aftermath -- just as Hitler did not care how many Germans died for his pathetic dreams. Death to Iran. Death to the Taliban. Death to Hamas. Death to Osama bin Laden. May the armies of Islam be crushed beneath the heels of infidels. May the soldiers of Islam wander without homes, without wives and children, without hope in hostile foreign lands. May they be an abomination in the eyes of all who see them. May they find no safe haven. May their drinking places dry up and may they find no meat. May their clothing be dust, sackcloth and ashes. May they burn in summer and freeze in winter. May they suffer cancer, leprosy and every wasting disease. Die, you sons of Satan.

Posted by: freedomfighter at February 22, 2006 02:13 PM (k7h/L)

211 Oh No! I have just been Deeyahsized! Out of curiousity I checked her action only to find yet another rap-nized slut/deva. No surprise she got death threats, but I tend to think more on account of her depraved music than her violating any muslim DOGma!

Posted by: JustAnotherSlutlikeBrittany at February 22, 2006 03:28 PM (Y2ILH)

212 Slut/Deva Deeyah! No wonder you shake Islam! Too bad you couldn't come up with something new. Instead all you've done is re-inforce the negative view that freedom means degrading oneself by gyrating your hips and exposing belly-buttons and lubricated skin. And surrounding yourself with black rappers who are probably in and out of your pants on a regular basis. We liked you better with your face covered and your mouth shut! Here's an idea. Why don't all you muslims, slackers, blackers, rap " artists", just stick with Islam and stay on your side of the fence, and the rest of us will do the same.... It is not becoming of you to add to the iniquity that already exists in the world. Ugly, ugly, ugly!

Posted by: JustAnotherBrittanySlut at February 22, 2006 04:48 PM (Y2ILH)

213 i agree if the muslims have the guts to come into denmark and cnaht out shit that dont mean shit to them. thos mother fuckers should of been blown up like thee did to the WTC. grenades should of been thrown at them that makes them ileagal imogrents and comunists! so stick with your blown up mosques and the rest is yet to come. peace out!

Posted by: just another muslim dead! at February 23, 2006 03:45 PM (dtjxn)

214 all you muslims and extremists out there in the protests. COUNT YOUR SELF LUCKY TO STILL BE ALIVE!!! if you came to america or england you would get riot police on you and beat the living shit out of you! of course 1 of your fancy gold mosques have been blown to peices and so will your other religoues crap and nonsense about allah you all sing the same song saying oh but mohamed tells us to do it would a god really tell you to do that or is ti just some hollusination over there that eeryone else must die. you extremist bastards deserve everything thats coming to you breading pigs!

Posted by: just another muslim dead! at February 23, 2006 04:50 PM (dtjxn)

215 i just informed u cleary that all off u non muslims are thight ur pajamas fasten ur life belts,and ready for anything mishappened in ur life,that because u dont know anything about "ALLAH",U NEVER KNOW ABOUT THE TRUE SPRIT OF MUSLIM,and also don't understand the real message of ISLAM.......?U dont't know what u say and what u do,that's not ur fault,because all of u (non muslims) don't know who's your real father,who's your real mother,it's just something wrong in your blood.all of u bitten by the devils bug,and anti muslimfobia virus smoothly mixed in your blood,this is the time flag of ISLAM up and up on your downhead's.in few days comeup no one religeon can servive but ISLAM.......!COVERED the whole world INSHALLAH,it's begining of the end of time part (4)all of u just wait and watch.

Posted by: tipu sultan at February 23, 2006 05:50 PM (9azh9)

216 you make me laugh you have got about 50 mothers and fathers so who is your real father then?

Posted by: just another muslim dead! at February 23, 2006 06:12 PM (dtjxn)

217 tipu sultan, You've been smokin too much pig dick. It's gone to your head. It will soon be the end of Chimpmania.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 23, 2006 09:26 PM (08tHr)

218 I think he's been humpin' baboon butt!

Posted by: Islam Deathscum at February 24, 2006 12:02 AM (Y2ILH)

219 Gee! I am trying to understand and open up to the real message of Islam, and feel the peace and love with Allah or Mohammed or whoever, but I just can't get past this suicide belt thing! Could it be I've got a touch of anti muslimfobia virus?

Posted by: Islam Deathscum at February 24, 2006 12:20 AM (Y2ILH)

220 I have a good idea! drop atom bombs on all those sons of a sisters! see how they like being bombed. is it not ironic that muslims go to all extremes to stop a few silly cartoons. if all the world were like this we would be in ruins!

Posted by: just another muslim dead! at February 24, 2006 05:16 AM (dtjxn)

221 News Flash Muslims throughout Iraq are displaying their tolerance of other religions by blowing up their own mosques. The peaceful Sunni Muslims and the peaceful Shiite Muslims are demonstating their love for other religions by assasinating each other.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 24, 2006 09:23 AM (1I9zJ)

222 The only good muslim is a dead muslim!

Posted by: Oozin' Muslim Deathscum at February 24, 2006 12:05 PM (Y2ILH)

223 I know someone from Thailand who says the muslims in the South spend all they have to go to Mecca, return broke and become bums, theives, liars, rapists and murderers! Nuke the Mosques! Put 'em all out of their misery! Stupid! Anal! Disgrace to the human race! Allah has a place for you! Right by his side in Hell!

Posted by: Oozin' Muslim Deathscum at February 24, 2006 12:13 PM (Y2ILH)

224 Pilgrim: Allah! Allah! Wherefore art thou! Allah: Down here! Awaiting you in Hell! Do not tarry! We are filling up fast and only a few dozen more virgins left! Hee! Hee! Hee! I would not hand you a virgin which has not been checked by the finger of Allah! Pilgrim: I am running as fast as I can! I am nearly to the crowded marketplace! Damn! I can't get the damn detonator cord to pull out! Forgive me Allah! Allah: ( Shreiking ) YOU INCOMPETENT FOOL! No virgins for you! I take pity on you however, so I will grant you a boy or two, not to worry, they have been touched by the finger of Allah! Devil: ALLAH! Shut up and get back on your knees! ( murmering ) Now where did I put that vaseline?

Posted by: Oozin' Muslim Deathscum at February 24, 2006 03:20 PM (Y2ILH)

225 The true msg of islam is destruction not peace and harmony just because all you muslims smoke pig dick u dont need to tell us what to do

Posted by: Mr Mohamed at February 26, 2006 06:42 AM (dtjxn)

226 Shut up all this bullshit Â“Jesus is comingÂ” He will filter everyone And everyone will find his deserved reward See the proof by browsing below link http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/

Posted by: adil at February 27, 2006 05:30 AM (uEGB5)

227 So purify yourself and don't be Prejudiced to turth. And Study Islam voice of your Heart. Restating Again "Jesus is Coming" He will Filter every one and will punish every wrong doer. See proof by browsing below link..... www.jesuswillreturn.com

Posted by: adil at February 27, 2006 06:56 AM (uEGB5)

228 Adil, you are a fence-walker if I ever saw one. You seem to be pushing Jesus as well as Mohammed. One of the two must be false. You also put cartoon drawing on the same level as genocide. I can't lend too much creedence to what you have to say now.....

Posted by: Oozin' Muslim Deathscum at February 27, 2006 08:24 AM (Y2ILH)

229 They both were the respected and innocent Prophets of Allah. Anyone blaming wrong anyone of them has something wrong in his own eye. You will see rather you can see right now on www.jesuswillreturn.com

Posted by: adil at February 27, 2006 08:56 AM (uEGB5)

230 lol bullshit know you are insulting everyones religeon why don't you keep your nose out of jesus and we will take the piss out of mohamed "Go fetch doggie muslims"

Posted by: Mr Mohamed at February 27, 2006 11:23 AM (dtjxn)

231 adil that is a piss take of your own muslim religeon you dumbass!

Posted by: just another muslim dead! at February 27, 2006 11:26 AM (dtjxn)

232 Adil Jesus is dead. Get over it. If he were coming back, he's late. If he were omnipotent, he'd have prevented all of the atrocities mankind has witnessed. And if he, or Mohammed has the power, sees all, and does nothing, why would you want to follow them any way. Face it, what is going on in this universe is far bigger that your feeble mind or the mind of your predecessors can conjure up to write down in some Quran or Bible. Your beliefs are reminiscent of the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. The only difference is that the day never came that your parents said "Now Adil, I'm sorry to tell you this but, there is no mythical old man in the sky watching your every move. You're not that important". You won't know what is after this life until you get there and then you may not have knowledge. I think it's a safe bet to say that the people, here on this planet, now, who are sawing off people's heads are the bad guys. I'd go farther and say that they are depraved and should be shot on sight. Not all Muslims are terrorists, or hijackers, or suicide bombers, but all of them are Muslims. And it seems that all Muslims are silent when other Muslims commit such atrocities. The world is witnessing what "the religion of peace" is really about and you may find that the world finally chooses extermination.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 27, 2006 11:37 AM (iIor/)

233 Yeah! Chh! Cch! Ye-ah! Cch! Chh! Extermination! Just like you exterminate termites! Yeah! Chh! Cch! termites! Yeah! and cockroaches! Cch! Chh!

Posted by: Beavislam at February 27, 2006 03:27 PM (Y2ILH)

234 Actually, to be accurate, Jesus may see and do nothing. Just as there were atrocities before His time. Jesus has already done the thing. That was to sacrifice Himself in order to pay our spiritual debt to God and open the door of salvation for us wretched undeserving sinners. God long ago washed his hands of the matter and went to sulk up in heaven far from the stench of humankind! Not without leaving an out for us though! How great is that! The Bible says there will be false prophets ....

Posted by: Faithful Pilgrim at February 27, 2006 03:37 PM (Y2ILH)

235 I'm selling land in the Everglades. Step right up.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 27, 2006 05:02 PM (iIor/)

236 So do homosexuals and priests raping little boys buy condoms with Jesus pictures on them?

They do not do that in Jesus's name, nor do ever make that claim. Moslems, however, do. BTW, did you know that Mohammed was a pedophile?

Posted by: Ubiquitous at February 27, 2006 08:17 PM (T8FgR)

237 I have a $100,000 cashier's check that I just found and it is in your name. Just send me a handling fee of $250.00 and I'll be glad to send it to you right away.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 27, 2006 11:15 PM (08tHr)

238 Can you just apply the cashier's to my plot of the Everglades? Or how 'bout Democracy? It's been bid down of late ....

Posted by: Dirt Cheap at February 27, 2006 11:24 PM (Y2ILH)

239 I just got back from Heaven and boy are my arms tired. All the guys up there, Budda, Mohammed, Jesus, Jimwabi, and Kunta Kinti said you guys should all send 10% of your wages to me. If you don't obey, you're not going to Heaven. You will be exiled to a place where there is only pain forever. If you give me a hamburger today I will gladly repay you with anything you want, including virgins, after you are dead.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 27, 2006 11:26 PM (08tHr)

240 Now who's been porkin' baboon butt!?

Posted by: Micheal Jackson at February 28, 2006 12:07 AM (Y2ILH)

241 Did someone say pedophile? Oh! Excuse me! I thought I was on another web-site! Sorry!

Posted by: Micheal Jackson at February 28, 2006 12:11 AM (Y2ILH)

242 Come on! Where are all you pig dick smokers!? Let's hear some comments! By Jovah!

Posted by: John Wayne at February 28, 2006 12:17 AM (Y2ILH)

243 I have special high-polymer integrated wing wax quaranteed to resist chafing and eliminate fatigue on those long voyages to the promised land. I could send you an epochs supply if you'll just send me your name and address. And your social security number, just for verification for shipping purposes.

Posted by: The Winkler at February 28, 2006 12:30 AM (Y2ILH)

244 U misunderstood all. I would like to clear these misinterpretations. Jesus was niether a super natural personality nor he is omnipresent, just they all are the prophets of Allah, and niether he is watching everyone. The prophet has just this difference that thay invite to right path and Allah bless them with Miracles. while above all are the characteristics of Allah Almighty. Now what all is going on has already predicted by the last prophet Muhammad(PBUH) similarly he predicted that Jesus will return to Earth when Armagedon will in process at that time he will defeat the Anti Christ and his followers. And at that time every wrong doer will punished and finaly will eliminated. Now Since Allah is watching every one and here in this world too much atrocities are heppening So why he is not eradicating all this? Infect Allah watch every person and punish him individualy for every wrong doer, Sometimes according to the intensity a whole nation face a punishment in the form of natural punishments like volcanoes, floods, excessive rains, tsunamies, earthquakes etc. But sometimes when someone cross the limits of brutality Allah fully eradicate him form the earth and make him the part of history for example.... At the time of Moses the Firoun the cruel king of Eqypt use to force others to call him God and he use to turture Bani Isreal. Then Allah Almighty send the prophet Moses in that nation and after warning him when he neglected the right path drowned him under the sea after a miracle. and in Quran Allah almighty declared that I saved the body of Firoun for the lesson to others. Till early 18's he his dead body was unfounded then a non-muslim found and confirmed that it is the same king from the time of Moses. Now Imagine how Allah Almighty punished and saved his body under water for thousand of years and none sea creature touched it and nither it was damaged in any way. now that dead body is lying in a museum of egypt.(Lesson to everyone how Allah Almighty punish when someone cross the limits. Regading Jesus I'll again recomend you the same link and hopfuly you will find the answers.. www.jesuswillreturn.com at the end please heed on the appeal of your heart and don't show prejudice. Feel and except the truth.

Posted by: adil at February 28, 2006 08:52 AM (uEGB5)

245 I read the jesuswillreturn web-site and became more depressed the more I read. It seems like a sadistic God is reveling in the sorrows of humankind. Mayhem after mayhem and catastrophy after catastrophy, atrocity after atrocity going on for centuries and centuries. When will God be satisfied? Appears he hates his own product with a passion. Imagine a massive revolt where all the people did a Jim Jones manuever and all killed themselves in protest. Would that get God's goat? To have no takers for the Kingdom of Heaven with streets of gold? I must do some serious soul searching because to accept God's plan is to condone the sickness and misery and suffering in the world as being righteous. It's for the glory of God I have been told. How much Goddamn glory does he need? I think the whole world should just say no to God's plan and detonate all are nuclear weapons at once and be done with it. We can leave God a note in a time capsule or something saying: " Nice try God, but you are sick and we are not buying! " Feel free to start again, maybe you've learned something from the last time! " It is hard to believe that the poor women and children are so sinful that they need to be hit with earthquakes and hurricanes, while the greedy wealthy rest easy in their ivory palaces.

Posted by: Truth Seeker at February 28, 2006 02:07 PM (Y2ILH)

246 Right on Truth Seeker. It is difficult to believe that a loving God/Allah would willfully destroy innocent children in floods, etc. If you believe that, then you would have to believe that the Tsunami, which killed tens of thousands of Muslims was some payment for their sins. Sorry, I call that nature and the science of Tectonic Plate movement. And to Adil, I mispoke by giving too much credit to Jesus, Mohammed and company. My point was that I believe that no one is sitting on a high perch and overseeing what is going on. There is no Santa. It is bigger than you can imagine, and, yes of course, there probably was a beginning initiated by some entity, but not personified. On the other hand, we only know things that begin and end. What if it is all circular and always has been.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at February 28, 2006 03:27 PM (iIor/)

247 If I was in charge, I would have people start out old and grow younger. Wonder if the guy upstairs is open to suggestion? I guess not. Seems like cruel and unusual punishment, to grow older and weaker in a dying economy with no health-care, and you must tough it out, because suicide will get you a front row seat in Hell. How sadistic is that? By the way how do the suicide bombings square with the Quaran which is in agreement with the Bible that one is not permitted to take his own life? Does Adil have an answer for that? For once I would like to see God down here, not his Son, but Him! Does He know what it means to suffer? Rather I think it must be a cowardly, sadistic God whose creation revolves around the law of the jungle. Big fish eating smaller fish. Terror and adrenalin rushes as the predators pursue their prey. A God whose only taste of fear and pain is a hangnail from time to time. Or maybe Satan kicked God's ass and has been in control all along? Sado world from the beginning and ever increasing ....

Posted by: Truth Seeker at February 28, 2006 06:29 PM (Y2ILH)

248 Yeah! A real arm-chair quarter-back! I'm disillusioned!

Posted by: Truth Seeker at February 28, 2006 06:32 PM (Y2ILH)

249 I am glad that a positive and vulgar free discussion and most iportantly based on arguments has started. Now I would warmly welcome your critics or yours any question requiring clarifiactaion of anything. Brothers Very clear and rational policy is to heed the logic where our heart appealsand not being prejudiced. Not to impose anything on us like Christianity which try to prove 3=1,and which is hard to belive. Allah requires form us to discover him on the grounds of logic not to impose the thoughts of our parent's tought. Your critics are pertinent those need clarification I'll post with availability of time

Posted by: adil at March 01, 2006 03:11 AM (uEGB5)

250 Adil Isn't it logical that the warlord Mohammed claimed to have ascended to heaven to meet Allah in order to get his followers to obey his every command? Who wrote the Quran? Is it not a form of prejudice to cut off heads of people who do not believe in Islam? Doesn't the Quran permit beheadings, stoning, and other such acts? Isn't it the objective of Islam to convert everyone to Islam or to eliminate them? If Muslims are peaceful, why is there no outrage regarding the acts committed by Bin Laden, Zarcawi, the 911 brothers that were chanting "Allah is great" as they crashed Flight 93, and all the other acts of the last 20 years?

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 01, 2006 09:03 AM (iIor/)

251 you are not real Christians...

Posted by: Pinar at March 01, 2006 02:32 PM (dxoL2)

252 Will the real Christian please stand up!?

Posted by: Baboon Butt Brigade at March 01, 2006 03:12 PM (Y2ILH)

253 To my fellow human, but misguided muslims. Have you ever pondered why: 1) the bastard son of an Arab servant girl rose to the stature of prophet? 2) most of the prominent muslim mosques (in the so called muslim world) were constructed on top of christian and jewish temples? 3) the great cypress forests of Lebanon no longer exists? 4) the great hanging gardens of Babylon no longer can be found. 5) death and distruction plague the muslim followers. 6) poverty and disease plague the muslim followers. 7) there is so much unrest within the hearts of the muslim followers.

the muslim world doesn't take responsibility for their own fate instead of blaming every other non-muslim around the world. 9) muslims fight muslims. 10) a mighty all knowing muslim prophet felt compelled to use trickery (72 virgins) to attract followers. 11)the mathmaticians and scholars no longer come from your nation. 12) the muslim middle east is blessed with the rich oil reserves that serve the world, but the vast majority of muslims go hungry... 13) muslim men do not have the discipline to control their male urges, therefore must cover up and beat their women. 14) muslim men are so afraid of their women. 15) every nation the muslims attempt to control result in turbulent & failed societies. 16) every nation the muslims conqure turns into a desert wasteland. 17) muslims keep their own kind illiterate and despondent. 1

why a peace loving religion such as Islam uses torture, explosives and mayhem to spread the word. If not, then what kind of human are you?

Posted by: Beast Buster at March 01, 2006 05:46 PM (2eax5)

254 I'm not standing because I don't believe in traditional religion. I'm just asking questions that are considered politically incorrect by the ACLU. You see my "God" is bigger than your and he can beat up your God. Actually, therein lies the problem. In my eyes, religion has been the reason for most of the destruction caused by man. Somebody needs to start asking questions. The only question the powers that be ask is "How much money is in it for me". Doesn't it feel like our own politicians have become traitors? Look at michaelsavage.com site regarding Sandy Berger (and of course, the Armstrong beheading). If this were the 50's or 60's Berger would have been electricuted as a spy. Here's another question for you Adil. I have my own Quran now so I can do some research. Maybe you can also answer this for me: Where is Jihad discussed in the Quran and can you explain the meaning of Jihad?

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 01, 2006 08:08 PM (08tHr)

255 For clear understanding to qnswers to your questions I need to give you a brief recap of history and that is as follows Allah Almighty created this world and send Adam and Hawwa on this earth. Allah blessed human with wisdom with the help of which man can differentiate between right and wrong, then Allah let him free to do anything. Since Adam was the first to come on earth moreover he was a prophet as well so he was on truth and righteous and till a specific period they were on right path But after the passage of time and different experiences deteriorate its believes and man made dummy Gods. For example if he saw cow useful he started worshiping it, if he saw fire mighty he started worshiping it, if he saw Sun he started worshiping it. Then for the revival of the right path and believes Allah sent messengers on Earth. Infect he not sent but he selected some noble persons as his messenger. They were not anything supernatural or didnÂ’t possess some ghostly qualities but they were just normal men but they definitely possessed high quality and noble character. Then afterwards Allah bestowed them with miracles. If anywhere there were people off the track and were in need of guidance Allah sent there messenger. So if we sum up we can say that a Prophet is a man to whom Allah sent him message through the angel Jibrael. To some finally it was in the form of Book and in present day we know them as Taurat, Bible and Quran. In some cases there were more than one Prophets in different areas as well. Because of this it is said that all the religion are the deteriorated forms of a prophetÂ’s nations. A valid thing going in the favor of this is that every religion except the Atheists believe in God in any form. Then if Allah sent messenger in a territory where earlier a messenger had been sent the with the coming of new Prophet the deteriorated teachings of the earlier ProphetÂ’s were nullified, because those teachings were so much depreciated those require a new Prophet. The same case is with the Three renowned and leaders of three leading religions i.e. Moses (Judaism), Jesus (Christianity) and Muhammad (Islam). Chronologically Moses was the first among these and was sent Egypt where a cruel King was ruling brutally on the nation of Bani-Israel. He rescued them from this cruel King. Then with the advent of Jesus Bani Israel were waiting for a prophet but when they saw that this man is preaching the hdaya instead of getting into power and becoming ruler they rejected him and remained on their previous and obsolete believes. Then the followers of Jesus were dubbed the Christians. They might be right at first but their redundant love for Jesus made him son of God. And that was again wrong. Then at the end the last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent. For forty years of his life he was unobtrusive and was a normal man. When first time the angel Jibrael came to him he was afraid of all what happened, then his wife took him to her cousin who was a Christian scholar, he stated to him all what happened, the scholar at the spot told him that this is the same angel who came to Moses and Jesus. And what has been told to you is the same which was send on Moses and Jesus. Then he was aware of actual situation and afterwards he declared himself Prophet. When people asked him to show any miracle he raised his finger towards moon and moon was broken into two pieces and then he rejoined him. This was one of his many miracles. Then his biggest miracle is Quran. Allah openly make a challenge to all the scholars to make only a single verse like this and at the same place Allah also mentioned you would no be able to do this if if you all make a combined effort. So how a single and illiterate person can write such a book which sholars of the time could not???????? and this(Quran) is such a thing that many people embraced Islam just by listening this rather in story of Cat Stevens you will find that Until he embraced Islam he didnÂ’t met any muslim. It was just Quran who gave him guidance. Another very prominent aspect of Quran is that after 14 hundred has been passed and there is no change even in a single verse of it and if you go in Far East, Asia, Arab, Africa, Europe and America you will find the same Quran without a meager change.

Posted by: adil at March 01, 2006 11:53 PM (uEGB5)

256 Now what is real Islam? If we sum up in shortest words I can say There only one God(Allah) who is the God of all prophets Adam, Sheth, Idris, Nuh, Hud, Lut, Ibrahim, Ismail, Ishaq, Yaqub, Younus, Yousaf, Ayub, Daud, Zakriya, Yahya, Musa(Moses), Harun, Ilyas, Isa(Jsus) (Peace Be Upon Them). They all were the Prophets and were mandatory to follow in there times. Some of them had commandments of Allah in the form of Books Zaboor, Taurat, Injeel, Bible. These all persons were right and these all books are right. It is mandatory for every Muslim to believe in all prophets and Books ButÂ…Â….. They were mendatory to follow in their own times but when with the passage of times the haracies invaded and even books were amnded. Therefore Now the Prophet mendatory to follow would be the recent one and that is Muhammad (PBUH). There would be no Prophet after him till judgment day. Now I invite all of you to invstigate that whether infact Muhammad was a prophet? You all have hi-tech communication facilities, we have internet and online libraries, now it is our resposibilty rather every truth seekerÂ’s responsibility to read about him and check him whether he was realy a Prophet. It is human Psyche that we donÂ’t believe in anything unless we donÂ’t find a sound proof and our heart satisfies on that. ThatÂ’s why in his times people asked him if you are a prophet show any miracle, and he showed irrefutable miracles. Rather people judge him by asking him to show any celestial thing because magic is limited on earth. A magician cannot do any thing in space, for this he broke the moon. Now it is our responsibility to find out whether he was on Truth. If we want to know what infect Islam is the the islam is nothing more than a book Â“QuranÂ” if we want to have a clear understanding of Islam Â“QuranÂ” the book sent to Muhammad is the sourse not act of any Terrosrist. So I would request you to commence your suggestion about Islam after reading Quran not after seeing the acts of our unrestrained people. And this Quran is not a lengthy book it just contains 6666 verses. It is said to be from Allah. Whether we donÂ’t want to read what our creator have said or to assess whether infect it is AllahÂ’s Word. Or just to find any contradiction in it would be your greatest achievement and be infect a Slap on Muslim word if you find any. And I invite you for this. One more things there should be no possession on Allah that my Allah is greater or Your God is greater. God(Allah) is only one and is greatest of all. He is all of us and is merciful. Above someone blamed Allah for cruelties on Earth I have already stated that when someone cross the limits then he invites punishment otherwise Allah is merciful and forgiver.

Posted by: adil at March 02, 2006 01:03 AM (uEGB5)

257 fuck u mother im muslim . now we r coming to fuck denmark and who maked this web me will kell them . be alart

Posted by: chakr at March 02, 2006 06:16 AM (SsKnr)

258 Chakr, Ooh! I'm trembling in my little white Mohummed boots! Thanks for confirming everything that is being said about Muslim violent and beastly behavior. Either come kill me or go back to your cave!

Posted by: Baboon Butt Brigade at March 02, 2006 10:54 AM (Y2ILH)

259 What is this about Allah or God and false idols? Are these Gods so insecure that they worry about someone worshipping a cow? At least you can see and touch the damn cow! I know, I know they are jealous Gods. They are also childish, immature, spoiled, idealogical, and out of touch with reality!

Posted by: Baboon Butt Brigade at March 02, 2006 11:00 AM (Y2ILH)

260 WOW THIS SITE HAS REALLY OPENED MY EYES AND EDUCATED ME, I USED TO BE A MUSLIM BUT I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT AND DENOUNCED THAT FILTHY RELIGION - IT IS FOR THE WEAK MINDED, I DIDNT KNOW THAT SLIMEY FUCKER I WORSHIPPED HALF OF MY LIFE WAS A CHILD MOLESTOR AND A COMMON THIEF! ALL MUSLIMS - FOLLOW ME AND DENOUNCE THAT SHITTY RELIGION - PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS TO JESUS, ALLAH IS NOT REAL AND MOHAMMED LIED TO US ALL TO GAIN. (A SIX YEAR OLD WIFE? OMG THAT IS SOOOOOOOO SICK!!!!!) IM REDECORATING MY CAVE WITH NICE PICTURES OF JESUS AND MARY

Posted by: ALLAH_B_BAD at March 02, 2006 11:04 AM (OD8Mx)

261 Chakr! Chakr! You been smokin' too much pig dick bro! Here I am! Come kill me you miserable slime-ball! Mohummed sucks donkey dick! Here's my address you slime-ball: khoso4u@hotmail.com

Posted by: Baboon Butt Brigade at March 02, 2006 11:47 AM (Y2ILH)

262 For Allah_B_Bad, Congradulations for joining the ranks of the sane! All one has to do is look at a photo of Mohummed to see the deranged Charles Manson look in his eyes!

Posted by: Baboon Butt Brigade at March 02, 2006 11:52 AM (Y2ILH)

263 Any decent human being or God would acknowledge his/her failures whether it be response to Katrina or the miserable state of mankind and concede that perhaps the position is not for them and might be better turned over to someone with more competency! Only an inhuman monster would continue to cling to power in the face of nearly unanimous disapproval! Have they no shame? God, if you love someone set them free! Why continue to punish them? The powers that be continue to sit in their ivory towers and pat themselves on the back and see that it is good!? No shame!

Posted by: Baboon Butt Brigade at March 02, 2006 01:21 PM (Y2ILH)

264 Chakr Pleeze hav sum 1 reed this 2 u. You'll never make it to Denmark because you won't be able to read the road signs. You have to be literate to travel. By the way, none of you Chimps who want to kill us have the balls to do it face to face. You are stupid enough to kill yourself because somebody like Zarcawi asks you to so. There are no virgins waiting. It's a trick and you're stupid enough to fall for it. Adil I have a copy of the Quran. I don't intend to read it on line. I made my questions about Islam simple. Can you not give me the simple answers. And please, you insinuated that there would be logic in the Islamic word. No fairy tales and I'll pay attention.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 02, 2006 05:00 PM (iIor/)

265 Yeah! No virgins waiting! Chh! chh! cch! Yeah! No virgins! Only prostitutes! Chh! chh! Yeah! prostitutes! and pimps! Chaker hand job gets the ones I already fucked! Yeah! Chhh! cch!

Posted by: Beavislam at March 02, 2006 05:22 PM (Y2ILH)

266 ANY OF YOU IGNORANT FUCKS EVER HEARD OF DARWIN THERE MAY BE A GOOD BUT ALL YOU RELIGIONS ARE BULLSHIT IF ANY RELIGION WERE TRUE IT WOULD PROBERLY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST RELIGION YOUR ALL CALLING EACH OTHER STUPID FOR YOU STUPID RELIGION THERE JUST STORIES MENT TO SCARE AND CONTROL PEOPLE

Posted by: JASON at March 02, 2006 07:00 PM (qaJng)

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Posted by: STAN at March 02, 2006 07:10 PM (qaJng)

268 Stan! I read through your comment and found it to be as empty as your brain! LOL cch! Yeah! empty! cch! chh! cch! Yeah! brainless! chh! chh! Yeah! braindead! Yeah! that's it! braindead! chh! cch!

Posted by: Beavislam at March 02, 2006 07:59 PM (Y2ILH)

269 I have a great idea why test on animals when u can put muslims in stocks and test on them. After all they are the next best thing to a human who agrees? and stan your post is as empty and your religoen is so get fucked you ass licking nob head.

Posted by: just another muslim dead! at March 03, 2006 04:21 PM (dtjxn)

270 by the way Adil whens the last time your shity gods dared to come down then? think about what you say the world is pissed off with all of you pigs and you might as well comit suicide as you are very well used to that!

Posted by: Mr Mohamed at March 03, 2006 04:26 PM (dtjxn)

271 What if God is an infant and we are all ants in his amusement jar?

Posted by: Malsivaeb at March 05, 2006 12:38 PM (Y2ILH)

272 you all peoples are crazy and have no sense and also you dont have any right to discuss muslims religioues matters i wish you all burn in hell soon you all mother fuckers

Posted by: kasman at March 06, 2006 05:22 AM (EXaMY)

273 You only have the right to discuss muslims religioues matters if you are wearing a suicide belt! Oh no! Not the Hell card!

Posted by: Beavislam at March 06, 2006 02:19 PM (Y2ILH)

274 Thanks again you miserable muslims! Kasman has again confirmed the popular view that Islam is a religion of Hell, hatred, violence and not peace! These idiots are so hypocritical it is laughable!

Posted by: Malsivaeb at March 06, 2006 02:24 PM (Y2ILH)

275 All these muslims talk like they have lived in a cave all their sordid lives and have never had social contact and learned social skills to get along with others. That is evident in the way they bomb each other's mosques! Wake up stupid muslims! The world is soon to nuke your sorry asses to put you all out of your misery!

Posted by: Beavislam at March 06, 2006 02:59 PM (Y2ILH)

276 A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the U.S. Following September 11
Excerpts from "Muslim American Leaders: A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the U.S. Following September 11" Ã‚Â© Middle East Media & Research Institute

Muslim American reports in the Arab press indicate that Muslim proselytizing efforts have been unusually successful since the September 11 attacks. 'Alaa Bayumi, Director of Arab Affairs at the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), wrote in the London daily Al-Hayat that "non-Muslim Americans are now interested in getting to know Islam. There are a number of signs...: Libraries have run out of books on Islam and the Middle East... English translations of the Koran head the American best-seller list... The Americans are showing increasing willingness to convert to Islam since September 11... Thousands of non-Muslim Americans have responded to invitations to visit mosques, resembling the waves of the sea [crashing on the shore] one after another... All this is happening in a political atmosphere that, at least verbally, encourages non-Muslim Americans' openness towards Muslims in America and in the Islamic world, as the American president has said many times in his speeches..."(1)
CAIR chairman Nihad Awad told the Saudi paper 'Ukaz that "34,000 Americans have converted to Islam following the events of September 11, and this is the highest rate reached in the U.S. since Islam arrived there."(2)
According to Dr. Walid A. Fatihi, instructor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, Boston has recently become a center of Islamic proselytizing aimed at Christians. On September 22, 2001, Al-Fatihi sent a letter to the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi, in which he described the unfolding of events since September 11: "...From the first day, the media began to insinuate that Muslim Arab hands were behind this incident. At noon, the directors and administration of the Islamic Center of Boston held an emergency meeting, and I stayed on the line with them from my clinic. We decided to hold a blood drive, and we set up a committee to contact the Red Cross and organize it for us. We invited the media to cover the event..."
"All of us tried to grab onto every scrap of information that would indicate that Muslim Arab hands were not involved in the loathsome crime. Yes, my brothers and sisters, we tried to prove our humanity on the day we found ourselves attacked from all sides. Our hearts bled and our spokesman said that proselytizing in the name of Allah had been set back 50 years in the U.S. and in the entire world..."
"On Saturday, September 15, I went with my wife and children to the biggest church in Boston, [Trinity Church in] Copley Square, by official invitation of the Islamic Society of Boston, to represent Islam by special invitation of the senators of Boston. Present were the mayor of Boston, his wife, and the heads of the universities. There were more than 1,000 people there, with media coverage by one of Boston's main television stations. We were received like ambassadors. I sat with my wife and children in the front row, next to the mayor's wife. In his sermon, the priest defended Islam as a monotheistic religion, telling the audience that I represented the Islamic Society of Boston."
"After the sermon was over, he stood at my side as I read an official statement issued by the leading Muslim clerics condemning the incident [i.e. the attacks]. The statement explained Islam's stance and principles, and its sublime precepts. Afterwards, I read Koran verses translated into English... These were moments that I will never forget, because the entire church burst into tears upon hearing the passages of the words of Allah!!"
"Emotion swept over us. One said to me: 'I do not understand the Arabic language, but there is no doubt that the things you said are the words of Allah.' As she left the church weeping, a woman put a piece of paper in my hand; on the paper was written: 'Forgive us for our past and for our present. Keep proselytizing to us.' Another man stood at the entrance of the church, his eyes teary, and said, 'You are just like us; no, you are better than us.'" (3)
"On Sunday, September 16, the Islamic Society of Boston issued an open invitation to the Islamic Center in Cambridge, located between Harvard and MIT. We did not expect more than 100 people, but to our surprise more than 1,000 people came, among them the neighbors, the university lecturers, members of the clergy, and even the leaders of the priests from the nearby churches, who invited us to speak on Islam. All expressed solidarity with Muslims. Many questions flowed to us. Everyone wanted to know about Islam and to understand its precepts."
"Of all the questions, not a single one attacked me; on the contrary, we saw [the people's] eyes filling with tears when they heard about Islam and its sublime principles. Many of them had never heard about Islam before. Well, they had heard about Islam only through the biased media. That same day, I was invited again to participate in a meeting in the church, and again I saw the same things. On Thursday, a delegation of 300 students and lecturers from Harvard visited the center of the Islamic Society of Boston, accompanied by the American Ambassador to Vienna. They sat on the floor of the mosque, which was filled to capacity. We explained to them the precepts of Islam, and defended it from any suspicions [promulgated in the media]. I again read to them from the verses of Allah, and [their] eyes filled with tears. The audience was moved, and many asked to participate in the weekly lessons for non-Muslims held by the Islamic Center..."
"On Friday, September 21, the Muslims participated in a closed meeting with the governor of Massachusetts. In the meeting, a discussion was held on introducing Islam into the school curriculum, to inform the [American] people and to fight racism against Muslims arising from the American people's ignorance regarding the religion. With the governor's support, measures to examine implementation of this goal were agreed upon..."
"These are only some of the examples of what happened and is happening in the city of Boston, and in many other American cities, during these days. Proselytizing in the name of Allah has not been undermined, and has not been set back 50 years, as we thought in the first days after September 11. On the contrary, the 11 days that have passed are like 11 years in the history of proselytizing in the name of Allah. I write to you today with the absolute confidence that over the next few years, Islam will spread in America and in the entire world, Allah willing, much more quickly than it has spread in the past, because the entire world is asking, 'What is Islam!'(4)
Fatihi's reports of American Christians' crying upon hearing Koranic verses have an historical context. This type of narrative is about part of the ethos of Islamic proselytizing. It comes from the tradition of the Prophet Muhammad's invitation to the Christian community of Najran, located in what is today North Yemen, to visit the mosque. When the Christians of Najran were exposed to the verses of the Koran, the tradition says they burst into tears and converted to Islam.
Fatihi also published an article in the London daily Al-Hayat:
"...There are initial signs that the intensive campaign of education about Islam has begun to bear fruit. For example, the rate of converts to Islam since September 11 has doubledÂ… There is solidarity with the Muslims on the part of many non-Muslims in American universities. For example, dozens of non-Muslim American women students at Wayne [State] UniversityÂ… have put on veils as a symbol of identification with the Muslim women students at the university and at the other universities of America."
"One of the most important topics [in an NPR broadcast] was an interview with several young women at American universities who recently converted to Islam through the Islamic Society of Boston. They hold advanced degrees from universities in Boston, such as Harvard, and they spoke of the power and the greatness of Islam, of the elevated status of women in Islam, and of why they converted to Islam. The program was broadcast several times across the entire U.S..." (5)
Notes and references:
(1) Al-Hayat (London), November 11, 2001
(2) Al-Ayyam (London), November 12, 2001
(3) The phenomenon of sincere Christians shedding tears as they recognize the truth and beauty of Islam is mentioned in the Qur'an:
And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud. When they listen to that which hath been revealed unto the messengers, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears because of their recognition of the Truth. They say: Our Lord, we believe. Inscribe us as among the witnesses [Qur'an 5:82-83]
(4) Al-Ahram Al-Arabi (Egypt), October 20, 2001
(5) Al-Hayat (London), November 11, 2001
Also see :

A NATION CHALLENGED: AMERICAN MUSLIMS; Islam Attracts Converts By the Thousand, Drawn Before and After Attacks
By JODI WILGOREN
Source: The New York Times : October 22, 2001, Monday
Section: National Desk
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/22/national/22CONV.html

or :
http://www.alhewar.com/nyt_islam_attracts.htm
Interest in Islam mounts after hijacking atrocity Guardian Newspapers

Searching Americans Embrace The Logic Behind The Teachings Of Islam
"It's like seeing God without all the baggage,"
By Tara Dooley, Star-Telegram (Fort Worth, Texas)
ISLAM ATTRACTS CONVERTS BY THE THOUSANDS,
DRAWN BEFORE AND AFTER ATTACKS
Italian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Converts to Islam

Fast-growing Islam winning converts in Western world : CNN .
A matter of faith: Islam is fastest-growing religion in U.S.
The Mosque in America: A National Portrait
Jermaine Jackson convert to Islam ?
British journalist Yvonne Ridley embraced Islam 2
Increasing Number of Russians Adopting Islam

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"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

"Already more than a billion-people strong, Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion." ABCNEWS, Abcnews.com

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country." NEWSDAY, March7,1989, p.4

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States..." NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1

"Moslems are the world's fastest-growing group..." USA TODAY, The population referance bureau, Feb. 17, 1989, p.4A

"Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities." Encyclopedia Britannica

"There are more Muslims in North America then Jews Now." Dan Rathers, CBSNEWS

"Islam is the fastest growing religion in North America." TIMES MAGAZINE

"Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" CNN, December 15, 1995

"The religion of Islam is growing faster than any other religion in the world." MIKE WALLACE, 60 MINUTES

"Five to 6 million strong, Muslims in America already outnumber Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Mormons, and they are more numerous than Quakers, Unitarians, Seventh-day Adventists, Mennonites, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Scientists, combined. Many demographers say Islam has overtaken Judaism as the country's second-most commonly practiced religion; others say it is in the passing lane." JOHAN BLANK, US NEWS (7/20/9

"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'aan about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of Allah."
Professor Keith Moore, one of the world's prominent scientists of anatomy and embryology. University of Toronto, Canada.

"But Islam has a still further service to render to the cause of humanity. It stands after all nearer to the real East than Europe does, and it possesses a magnificent tradition of inter-racial understanding and cooperation. No other society has such a record of success uniting in an equality of status, of opportunity, and of endeavours so many and so various races of mankind . . Islam has still the power to reconcile apparently irreconcilable elements of race and tradition. If ever the opposition of the great societies of East and West is to be replaced by cooperation, the mediation of Islam is an indispensable condition. In its hands lies very largely the solution of the problem with which Europe is faced in its relation with East. If they unite, the hope of a peaceful issue is immeasurably enhanced. But if Europe, by rejecting the cooperation of Islam, throws it into the arms of its rivals, the issue can only be disastrous for both." H.A.R. Gibb, WHITHER ISLAM, London, 1932, p. 379.

"It (Islam) replaced monkishness by manliness. It gives hope to the slave, brotherhood to mankind, and recognition of the fundamental facts of human nature."
Canon Taylor, Paper read before the Church Congress at Walverhamton, Oct. 7, 1887;
Quoted by Arnoud in THE PREACHING OF ISLAM, pp. 71-72.

"The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he? "
Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727
"How, for instance, can any other appeal stand against that of the Moslem who, in approaching the pagan, says to him, however obscure or degraded he may be 'Embrace the faith, and you are at once equal and a brother.' Islam knows no color line." (S. S. Leeder, VEILED MYSTERIES OF EGYPT)
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may
be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and
secular level." Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY,
New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.

"Everything made so much sense. This is the beauty of the Qur'an; it asks you to reflect and reason....When I read the Qur'an further, it talked about prayer, kindness and charity. I was not a Muslim yet, but I felt the only answer for me was the Qur'an and God had sent it to me." Cat Stevens (YusufIslam), former British pop star.

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated." De Lacy O'Leary, ISLAM AT THE CROSSROADS, London, 1923, p. 8.

"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. 1, No. 81936.

"I am not a Muslim in the usual sense, though I hope I am a "Muslim" as "one surrendered to God," but I believe that embedded in the Quran and other expressions of the Islamic vision are vast stores of divine truth from which I and other occidentals have still much to learn, and 'Islam is certainly a strong contender for the supplying of the basic framework of the one religion of the future.'" W. Montgomery Watt, ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY TODAY, London, 1983, p. ix.

Posted by: love jesus at March 06, 2006 06:09 PM (HViPx)

277 I ordered a copy of the Quran out of curiosity. After reading through the 24 page preface which provides excuse after excuse as to why it is written so poorly, I started into the meat of it. It reminded me of a book report from an eight grader who was copying someone elses work and trying to disguise it as their own. Personally, I think it is a shame that so many trees have been wasted in it's making. I'll keep it for reference, in the event that someone can provide a verse worth reading. But all in all, I'd have to give it a 2 thumbs down. You won't be able to sell this bogus myth to enough people to make it worth your while because Muslims always seem to give away their real intent. All you have to do is let one talk long enough and he will eventually expose himself for who he really is. Why would anyone want to be like Kasman. Kasman, please strap on a bomb so we can be assured your sperm won't make it into any little girls who might give birth.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 06, 2006 07:28 PM (08tHr)

278 The Ethical Standard of the Prophet Muhammad By Imam Zaid Shakir (Click here to download a print-friendly PDF of this article) The ongoing Â“Cartoon CrisisÂ” raises several issues. One of the most important is the incumbency of seeing the ongoing crisis as an opportunity to educate people in the West about our blessed Prophet, . Along those lines, one of the greatest things we can do is teach about the exalted ethical standard introduced by our Prophet, . That ethical standard is the bedrock of his mission and message. In an age of instantaneous communications and globalized media it is important for Muslims to reaffirm our commitment to the prophetic ethical ideal. Under prevailing conditions, the sensationalized excesses of some Muslims, excesses that contradict the ethical teachings of our Prophet, , are often used to distort the perception of Islam in the West. That distortion in turn helps to create prejudiced attitudes towards Islam and Muslims. I would argue that the images that insinuate a connection between our Prophet, , and terrorism are more informed by the hijackings, kidnappings, beheadings, and cold-blooded murder of unsuspecting civilians, all of which characterize many of our recent political struggles, than to any inherent biases or prejudices among the people of Europe and America. If we Muslims are going to contribute to changing how Islam and our Prophet, , are viewed in the West, we are going to have to change what we ourselves are doing to contribute to the caricaturing of Islam. That change can only be affected by sound knowledge coupled with exalted practice, and reviving the lofty ethical ideal of our beloved Prophet, . Relevant Ethical Teachings from the QurÂ’an You will surely be tested in your wealth and your lives. And you will hear from those given the scriptures before you and from the idolaters much abuse. If you patiently persevere, and remain mindful [of God], surely in this is a manifestation of firm resolve. Al-QurÂ’an 3:186 An examination of the ethical standard of the Prophet Muhammad, , relevant to the current crisis, must begin by looking at certain critical QurÂ’anic verses. We will begin by examining the above passage. This verse was preemptively revealed as consolation to the Prophet, , and his followers in anticipation of the abuse that would be heaped upon them from parties amongst the Jews, Christians, and idolaters. In the face of that abuse a course of action was prescribed. Namely, that they patiently endure those abuses and remain mindful of God in the face of the negative propaganda that would increase as their worldly power grew. The implication of that course of action is beautifully captured in the words of the great 18th Century Turkish scholar Imam Ismail al-Burusawi in his commentary of the QurÂ’an. He says, Â“God is going to treat you as one undergoing a test in order to show your mettle in persevering in the truth and righteous deeds.Â”[1] Imam Burusawi then summarizes one of the main lessons of the verse: You should know that reciprocating vile deeds with vile deeds would only increase vileness. Therefore, the command to patiently endure abusive transgressions minimizes those things that bring harm to the worldly realm. Similarly, the command to remain mindful of God minimizes those things that jeopardize the life hereafter. Hence, this verse combines the etiquettes essential for [success in] this world and the next.[2] It is interesting to note that this verse was revealed after the migration to Medina. Therefore, it was a pronouncement of state policy for the nascent Muslim polity. The strategic benefits of this policy would be realized years later in the bloodless conquest of Mecca. That conquest was made possible in large part because the Prophet, , did not cultivate a spirit of vengeance and retaliation in his followers. Nor did he cultivate in them a deep hatred for the people he was commissioned to call to Islam. It was on the basis of this spirit that he was able to fully accept and welcome into the fold of Islam his bitterest enemies Â– Abu Sufyan, Â‘Amr bin al-Â‘As, Khalid bin al-Walid, Ikrima bin Abi Jahl, and many others. Therefore, proclaim openly what you have been ordered [to convey], and turn away from the idolaters. We will suffice you against those who mock you. Those who make another god with God; soon they will know. We know that your heart is greatly grieved by what they say. Glorify the praises of your Lord and be amongst those dutifully and consistently prostrating [unto Him]. And worship your Lord until death comes to you. [Al-QurÂ’an 15:94-99] This group of QurÂ’anic verses revealed in Mecca also involves consolation for the Prophet, , in the face of his peopleÂ’s abuse. The gist of this passage is that God will assume the responsibility for taking revenge against his tormentors. The Prophet, , is commanded to turn away from his enemies, leaving God to deal with them. Abu SuÂ’ud, a 16th Century QurÂ’anic scholar, comments on this instruction, Â“That is to say, do not pay any attention to what they say, do not be concerned with them, and do not begin to think of vengeance against them.Â”[3] It is mentioned that these verses were revealed concerning five of the notables of the Quraysh who were especially abusive towards the Prophet, . God dispatched the Angel Gabriel to deal with them and they all died terrible deaths, with the exception of Al-Aswad bin al-Muttalib, who lived, but went blind after Gabriel pointed to his eyes.[4] The Prophet, , is instructed to proclaim the message, to forge on in his work of propagation, and to deepen his devotion and remembrance of God. As for the fate of his enemies, God would deal with them. He would be reminded years later that his actions would never affect the fate of those opposing him. God mentions in that regard, You have nothing to do with the outcome of their affair [O, Muhammad!] Whether He accepts repentance from them, or punishes them, they are indeed wrongdoers. [Al-QurÂ’an 3:128] In this verse, God reminds His Prophet, , that He is in control. The control of the affair of the universe is with Him. As for the Prophet, , his job is to convey the message, and not to burden himself by worrying about the ensuing outcome. In conveying the message, the Prophet, , is instructed to adopt the highest ethical standard, a standard that is established by God, not by himself, nor any other human agent. God says, Surely, you are on an exalted standard of character. [Al-QurÂ’an 68:4] Â‘AÂ’isha, the blessed wife of the Prophet, may God be pleased with her, was asked to describe the character of the Prophet, . She responded: He was not foul in his actions, nor in his speech; he was not boisterous in the marketplace; he did not retaliate in kind to vile acts perpetrated against him; rather he pardoned and forgave.Â”[5] This tradition involves a detailed explanation of a more general description given by Â‘AÂ’isha of the Prophet, . She mentioned that his character was an embodiment of the QurÂ’an.[6] In other words, his character was godly, for the QurÂ’an is the eternal Speech of God. Here we should pause and reflect on the mission of the Prophet, . He mentioned, describing that mission, Â“I was only sent to perfect good character.Â”[7] Consistent with what we mentioned above, we could interpret the tradition to mean, Â“I was only sent to make people more godly.Â” This idea that Islam is a path to godliness has to be stressed in these days when many Muslims view it strictly as a path to worldliness. That worldliness has contributed to the Muslim community, generally speaking, falling ever further down the slippery slope of political expediency. Political involvement is certainly a critical aspect of Islam. However, political expediency cannot provide ex post facto determinants of our values and principles. Those have been determined, a priori, by God. This idea of godliness is not something strange in our religion. The 12th century jurist, Al-Â‘Izz bin Â‘Abd as-Salaam, one of the greatest latter day scholars, mentions in his book Shajara al-MaÂ’arif wÂ’al-Ahwal: No one is suitable for the supporting friendship of The Judge (Almighty God) until he rectifies himself with the etiquettes of the QurÂ’an, and he adorns himself with the Attributes of the Most Merciful, to the extent humanly possible. He (God) is most excellent and He commands [His servants] with excellence. He is most generous and He commands generosity. He beautifies and He commands beautification. He is the Benefactor and He commands extending benefit. He relieves and He commands bringing relief. He is All Forgiving and He commands forgiveness. He conceals faults and He commands the concealment of faults. He repairs and restores and He commands restoration...[8] Enduring trials, tribulations, and bearing abuses are the crucibles through which the ability to move towards this state of godliness is forged. Because the Prophet, , is our leader in guiding us to this standard, in word and deed, no one was more tried or abused than he. He could not order anyone to adopt these characteristics, until he himself had adopted them, just as he could not urge the arduous traversing of the obstacles leading to them until he himself had traveled that difficult road. It is by traveling that road that we turn away from the creation and orient ourselves towards the Creator. Not equal are good and evil. Repel [evil] with what is best; you will unexpectedly see one with whom you had enmity become an intimate friend. [Al-QurÂ’an 41:34] The ProphetÂ’s, , cousin and close companion, Ibn Â‘Abbas, may God be pleased with him, is related as saying concerning this verse: God commands the believers with patience in the presence of anger; forbearance in the face of ignorant acts; and pardoning when offended. If they do that God will protect them from Satan and subdue their enemies.[9] Imam Al-Burusawi mentions in his commentary: Not equal are good character traits and vile ones in the reward they incur and the outcome [they lead to]. If you patiently persevere in the face of their abuses and ignorance, leave off pursuing revenge against them, and pay no attention to their foolishness, you merit exaltation in this world, and a great reward in the next. They [your enemies] will merit the opposite. Do not allow their boldness in entertaining vile character traits prevent you from engaging in good ones.[10] No single verse could better embody the spirit of Islamic ethics [Al-QurÂ’an 41:34]. Not only does it prescribe a lofty course of action, it also shows how that action, far from leading to worldly weakness, is a source of worldly strength and exaltation. However, if one is not in touch with God, one cannot perceive the veracity of His promise, or the scope of His power. Regardless of our perceptions, God has the power to transform our enemies into friends. However, in a worldly sense, we unleash that power through principled, ethically lofty behavior. As the verse after the one being discussed proceeds to remind us, No one is granted this lofty state except those who patiently persevere; and no one is granted it except the possessor of a great portion. [Al-QurÂ’an 41:35] Imam Burusawi describes that great portion as: [Â…a great portion] of personal virtues and spiritual strength. Preoccupation with revenge only exists because of the soulÂ’s weakness, and its propensity to be affected by external stimuli. When the soul is strong in its essence it is not affected by external stimuli. When it is not affected by such stimuli, it is easy for it to bear abuses and not be preoccupied with revenge.[11] One of the great losses we suffer as Muslims when we make politics our first priority is that we lose sight of the fact that our Prophet, , has introduced to the world the most refined system of spirituality and ethics known to humanity. Inaugurating and laying the foundation for the perpetuation of that system was at the heart of his mission. It is only on the basis of that system that any meaningful worldly accomplishments are possible. It is therefore fitting that the Prophet, , proclaimed, Â“I have only been sent to perfect noble character.Â”[12] Some Ethical Sayings of the Prophet[13] The following is a collection of some of the ethical sayings of the Prophet, peace and blessings of God upon him. They are selected from the work of the great master of prophetic tradition, Ibn Abi ad-Dunya. He mentions these sayings in his book, Makarim al-Akhlaq (Noble Character Traits).[14] They are related without comment to encourage personal reflection on their deeper significance for our current condition. Ibn Â‘Abbas relates that the Messenger of God, , said, Â“Whoever would be pleased to be the noblest of people, let him be mindful of God. Whoever would be pleased to be the strongest of people, let him trust in God. And whoever would be pleased to be the wealthiest of people, let him be more confident in what God possesses than with what he finds in his own hand.[15] Sahl bin SaÂ’d relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“Surely, God is munificent, He loves munificence. He likewise loves noble characteristics and hates pettiness.Â”[16] Anas bin Malik relates that he heard the Prophet, , say, Â“Noble characteristics are among the actions of those destined for Paradise.Â”[17] Â‘Uqba bin Â‘Amir relates that the Prophet, , said to him, Â“O, Â‘Uqba! Shall I inform you of the loftiest characteristic of the denizens of this world and the next? Join relations with those who break them with you. Give freely to those who deny you. And pardon those who oppress you.Â”[18] Abu Hurayra relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“Seek exaltedness with God.Â” It was said, Â“What does that involve, O, Messenger of God?Â” He replied, Â“Join relations with those breaking them with you. Give freely to those who deny you. And forbear with those offending you out of ignorance.Â”[19] Â‘Amr bin al-Â‘As relates that he heard the Prophet, , say, Â“There are forty character traits, the loftiest of them is to lend someone your ewe [to benefit from its milk]. No one acts on any one of them, anticipating its reward, affirming the promise associated with it, except that God enters him into Paradise because of it.Â”[20] Ibn Â‘Umar relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“Two traits are among the characteristics of the Arabs and are religious pillars, you are on the verge of leaving them: shyness, and noble character.Â”[21] Â‘Amr bin Â‘Abasa relates that he asked the Prophet, , Â“What is faith?Â” He replied, Â“Patience and a magnanimous spirit.Â” Â‘Amr then asked, Â“What is the best form of faith?Â” He replied, Â“Good character.Â”[22] Anas bin Malik relates that the Prophet, , never confronted anyone in a manner disliked by that person.[23] SaÂ’id bin al-Musayyib relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“A paucity of shyness is a form of disbelief.Â”[24] Â‘Imran bin Husayn relates that he heard the Prophet, , say, Â“Shyness embodies all good.Â” Al-Â‘Ala bin Ziyad responded, saying, Â“We find in our books that it involves weakness.Â” Â‘Imran rejoined angrily, Â“I am relating to you what the Messenger of God said and you are qualifying it with your books!Â”[25] Malik bin Dinar relates that Â‘Umar bin al-Khattab said, Â“Whoever has a lack of shyness will have a lack of scrupulousness. Whoever has a lack of scrupulousness will have a dead heart.Â”[26] Anas bin Malik relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“Every faith community has a distinguishing characteristic. The distinguishing characteristic of Islam is shyness.Â”[27] Â‘Imran bin Husayn relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“Surely, shyness only brings good.Â”[28] Â‘Abdullah bin Â‘Amr bin al-Â‘As relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“Surely, the best of companions with Allah are the best of them with their companions, and the best of neighbors with Allah are the best of them with their neighbors.Â”[29] Â‘AÂ’isha relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“Gabriel continued to admonish me concerning the neighbor until I thought he would make him an heir.Â”[30] Abu Shurayh relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, let him treat well his neighbor.Â”[31] Â‘AÂ’isha relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“Good neighborliness, maintaining blood ties, and good character are the basis of civility, and they enhance civilization.Â”[32] Anas bin Malik relates that the Prophet, , said, Â“A man whose neighbor is not safe from his wickedness will not enter Paradise.Â”[33] This presentation concludes with a selection of traditions concerning the rights of neighbors for we have all become neighbors in the Â“Global Village.Â” As the ongoing Â“Cartoon CrisisÂ” illustrates, what happens in one corner of the village affects us all. The current situation was initiated when the Danish paper Jyllands-Posten chose to disregard the rules of civility governing relations between neighbors in that village. Those rules are nowhere better articulated than by the Danish Penal Code which states that any person Â“threatening, insulting, or degrading a group of persons on account of their race, color, national or ethnic origin, belief or sexual orientation, shall be liable to a fine or imprisonmentÂ…Â” Clearly, the editor of the newspaper made a conscious decision to break the law prevailing in his home country. However, now that the transgression has occurred, how should we respond? Do we answer with transgressions of our own, as some have done? Or do we all redouble our efforts to demonstrate to people, in the clearest terms possible, what Islam and the teachings of our Prophet, , are all about. Clearly, the latter option is far more desirable, productive, and closer to the spirit of the prophetic teachings. Conclusion During the Battle of Uhud, the ProphetÂ’s incisor was broken, . His lower lip was ruptured, and he had a bleeding wound on his forehead. He was constantly drying up the blood to keep it from falling upon the ground, saying, Â“If any of this blood falls on the ground, Divine Punishment would descend upon them [the Quraysh].Â” The situation weighed on the Companions, and they implored, Â“Why do you not pray against them?Â” He replied, Â“I have not been sent to damn people. I have been sent as a caller and a mercy. O, God! Forgive my people for they know no better.Â”[34] These are glimpses of the character of our noble Prophet, . As he said, he was sent as a caller and a mercy. That call and mercy should be available to all people, even in the West. The mercy that his mission embodied hinged on his uncompromising commitment to the ethical standard God established him on. Hence, his ethical standard made the gift of his mercy possible. Now is the time for us to share the great gift of our Prophet, , and his guidance to the world. He described himself as a gift of mercy. His mercy led him to be deeply concerned about the guidance of his people, even when they were opposing him in the dastardliest ways. We should be just as concerned about the guidance of our own people, even though some of them may be opposing us. And we should try at all costs to avoid anything that would prejudice our people against Islam because of our own actions. As our Prophet, , instructed us, Â“Call people and do not repulse them.Â”[35] These are dark days when all peoples are abandoning their loftier ethical standards in the name of the amoral pursuit of worldly power. Let us be the people who pursue power through the strength of our commitment to our ethical standard. This is the sure basis of true ascension in the world and enduring esteem among nations. As the great bard of Egypt, Ahmad Shawqi, reminded us, Â“Communities are none other than the ethical code existing along with them; when that ethical code goes, they will soon follow.Â” Imam Zaid Shakir 2.23.06 [1] Imam IsmaÂ’il Al-Burusawi, Tafsir Ruh al-Bayan (Beirut: Dar IhyaÂ’ at-Turath al-Â‘Arabi, 2001/1421), 2:172. [2] Ibid. 2:173. [3] Abu SuÂ’ud Muhammad bin. Muhammad al-Hanafi, Tafsir Abi SuÂ’ud (Beirut: Dar al-Kitab al-Â‘Ilmiyya, 1999/1419), 4:36. [4] Ibid. 4:37. [5] Imam Abu Â‘Isa Muhammad bin Â‘Isa at-Tirmidhi, JamiÂ’ at-Tirmidhi (Riyadh: Dar As-Salaam, 1999/1420), p. 465, no. 2016. [6] See Imam Abu JaÂ’far Muhammad bin Jarir at-Tabari, JamiÂ’ al-Bayan fi TaÂ’wil al-QurÂ’an (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-Â‘Ilmiyya, 1997/141

, 12:179-180, nos. 34559, 34560, 34561, 34562. [7] Imam Abu Bakr al-Husayn bin Â‘Ali al-Bayhaqi, As-Sunan al-Kubra (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-Â‘Ilmiyya, 1994/1414), 10:323, no. 20782. [8] Imam Â‘Izz ad-Din Â‘Abd al-Â‘Aziz bin Â‘Abd as-Salaam as-Sulami, Shajara al-MaÂ’arif wÂ’al-Ahwal (Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, 1998/1419), p. 67. [9] Imam Jalal ad-Din as-Suyuti, Ad-dur al-Manthur fi Tafsir bil-MaÂ’thur (Beirut: Dar al-Ihya at-Turath al-Islami, 2001/1421), 7:282. [10] Al-Burusawi, 8:351. [11] Ibid. 8:353. [12] Al-Bayhaqi, 10:323, no. 20782. [13] For an excellent compilation of general ethical sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, see Shaykh al-Amin Â‘Ali Mazrui, The Content of Character: Ethical Sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, trans. Hamza Yusuf (London: Sandala LLC, 2005). [14] Imam Ibn Abi ad-Dunya, Makaram al-Akhlaq (Cairo: Maktaba al-QurÂ’an, n.d.). [15] Ibid. p. 19. [16] Ibid. p. 19. [17] Ibid. p. 20. [18] Ibid. p. 22. [19] Ibid. p. 23. [20] Ibid. p. 25. [21] Ibid. p. 29. [22] Ibid. p. 31. [23] Ibid. p. 37. [24] Ibid. p. 37. [25] Ibid. pp. 37-38. [26] Ibid. p. 40. This type of narration, related directly from Umar, the second Caliph, after the passing of the Prophet Muhammad, , is referred to as Hadith Mawquf. It is mentioned by Ibn Abi Dunya in his collection. We have retained it even though it is not related directly from the Prophet, . [27] Ibid. p. 41. [28] Ibid. p. 41. [29] Ibid. p. 92. [30] Ibid. p. 101. [31] Ibid. p. 102. [32] Ibid. p. 103. [33] Ibid. p. 106. [34] Quoted in Â‘Abdullah Siraj ad-Din, Muhammad Rasulullah (Halab, Syria: Maktaba Dar al-Falah, 1990/1410), p. 254. [35] Imam Abu Â‘Abdullah Muhammad bin IsmaÂ’il al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari (Sidon, Beirut: Al-Maktaba al-Â‘Asriyya, 2005/1426), p. 532, no. 3038.

Posted by: love jesus at March 06, 2006 08:37 PM (HViPx)

279 ISLAM IN CHINA Muslims take great pride in citing a hadith that says "Seek knowledge even unto China." It points to the importance of seeking knowledge, even if it meant traveling as far away as China, especially as at t the time of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), China was considered the most developed civilization of the period. Islam in China began during the caliphate of 'Uthman ibn Affan (Allayhi Rahma, ra), the third caliph. After triumphing over the Byzantine, Romans and the Persians, 'Uthman ibn Affan, dispatched a deputation to China in 29 AH (650 C.E., Eighteen years after the Prophet's (pbuh) death), under the leadership by Sa'ad ibn Abi Waqqaas (Allayhi Rahma), Prophet Muhammad's (Salla Allahu wa Allahai wa Sallam, pbuh) maternal uncle, inviting the Chinese emperor to embrace Islam. Even before this, the Arab traders during the time of the Prophet (pbuh), had already brought Islam to China, although this was not an organized effort, but merely as an offshoot of their journey along the Silk Route (land and sea route). Even though there are only sparse records of the event in Arab history, a brief one in Chinese history, The Ancient Record of the Tang Dynasty describes the landmark visit. To Chinese Muslims, this event is considered to be the birth of Islam in China. To show his admiration for Islam, the emperor Yung Wei ordered the establishment of China's first mosque. The magnificent Canton city mosque known to this day as the 'Memorial Mosque.' still stands today, after fourteen centuries. One of the first Muslim settlements in China was established in this port city. The Umayyads and Abbasids sent six delegations to China, all of which were warmly received by the Chinese. The Muslims who immigrated to China eventually began to have a great economic impact and influence on the country. They virtually dominated the import/export business by the time of the Sung Dynasty (960 - 1279 CE). Indeed, the office of Director General of Shipping was consistently held by a Muslim during this period. Under the Ming Dynasty (1368 - 1644 CE) generally considered to be the golden age of Islam in China, Muslims gradually became fully integrated into Han society. An interesting example of this synthesis by Chinese Muslims was the process by which their names changed. Many Muslims who married Han women simply took on the name of the wife. Others took the Chinese surnames of Mo, Mai, and Mu - names adopted by Muslims who had the names Muhammad, Mustafa, and Masoud. Still others who could find no Chinese surname similar to their own adopted the Chinese character that most closely resembled their name - Ha for Hasan, Hu for Hussein, or Sai for Said, and so on. In addition to names, Muslim customs of dress and food also underwent a synthesis with Chinese culture. The Islamic mode of dress and dietary restrictions were consistently maintained, however, and not compromised. In time, the Muslims began to speak Han dialects and to read in Chinese. Well into the Ming era, the Muslims could not be distinguished from other Chinese other than by their unique religious customs.. In spite of the economic successes the Muslims enjoyed during these and earlier times, they were recognized as being fair, law-abiding, and self-disciplined. For this reason, once again, there was little friction between Muslim and non-Muslim Chinese. Over the years, many Muslims established mosques, schools and madrasas attended by students from as far as Russia and India. It is reported that in the 1790's, there was as many as 30,000 Islamic students, and the city of Bukhara, - the birthplace of Imam Bukhari, one of the foremost compilers of hadith - which was then part of China, came to be known as the "Pillar of Islam." The rise of the Ch'ing Dynasty (1644 - 1911 CE), though, changed this. The Ch'ing were Manchu (not Han) and were a minority in China. They employed tactics of divide-and- conquer to keep the Muslims, Han, Tibetans, and Mongolians in struggles against one another. In particular, they were responsible for inciting anti-Muslim sentiment throughout China, and used Han soldiers to suppress the Muslim regions of the country. When the Manchu Dynasty fell in 1911, the Republic of China was established by Sun Yat Sen, who immediately proclaimed that the country belonged equally to the Han, Hui (Muslim), Man (Manchu), Meng (Mongol), and the Tsang (Tibetan) peoples. His policies led to some improvement in relations among these groups. Since the People?s Republic of China was founded in 1949, tremendous upheavals occurred throughout China culminating in the Cultural Revolution. Muslims along with all the Chinese population suffered. After the third congress of the 11th Central committee, the government greatly liberalized its policies toward Islam and Muslims.. Since religious freedom was declared in 1978, the Chinese Muslims have not wasted time in expressing their convictions. Under China's current leadership, in fact, Islam appears to be undergoing a modest revival. Religious leaders report more worshipers now than before the Cultural Revolution, and a reawakening of interest in religion among the young. According to a publication on mosques in China(1998 edition), there are now 32,749 mosques in the entire People's Republic of China, with 23,000 in the province of Xinjiang. There has been an increased upsurge in Islamic expression in China, and many nationwide Islamic associations have been organized to coordinate inter-ethnic activities among Muslims. Islamic literature can be found quite easily and there are currently some eight different translations of the Qur'an in the Chinese language as well as translations in Uygur and the other Turkic languages. Muslims have also gained a measure of toleration from other religious practices. In areas where Muslims are a majority, the breeding of pigs by non-Muslims is forbidden in deference to Islamic beliefs. Muslim communities are allowed separate cemeteries; Muslim couples may have their marriage consecrated by an imam; and Muslim workers are permitted holidays during major religious festivals. The Muslims of China have also been given almost unrestricted allowance to make the Hajj to Mecca. China's Muslims have also been active in the country's internal politics. As always, the Muslims have refused to be silenced. Islam is very much alive for China's Muslims who have managed to practice their faith, sometimes against great odds, since the seventh century.

Posted by: a.razi at March 06, 2006 08:40 PM (HViPx)

280 The whole world must be able to see by now that the only way to stop these muslim filth is to exterminate them. It is not a religion it is mass brainwashing! Get rid of them and the world shall forever be peaceful!

Posted by: Tha Fix at March 06, 2006 11:22 PM (UpfM9)

281 Dear LoveJesus, Gosh! you left out some details on the book you posted! As I read through I noticed some glaring ommissions of specific times and dates! And you failed to mention what you had for lunch, or what color were the Mayor's shoes! Get a life! You pathetic prosteldiaharreaitizer!

Posted by: Beavislam at March 07, 2006 12:11 PM (Y2ILH)

282 Dear a.razi, Gosh! you left out some details on the book you posted! As I read through I noticed some glaring ommissions of specific times and dates! And you failed to mention what you had for lunch, or what color were Sun Yat Sen's shoes!? Get a Life! You pathetic prosteldiaharreaitizer

Posted by: Beavislam at March 07, 2006 12:23 PM (Y2ILH)

283 It has been written that when the weapons of war are exhausted, that is when the day of reckoning will come. This is being played out now as the war goes on and humvees are blown up. With our deficit ever mounting we cannot sustain such a scenario and we will exhaust our weaponry in fulfillment of the scriptures. This will open the door for Christ to intervene.

Posted by: RamaLamaFaFaFa at March 07, 2006 12:30 PM (Y2ILH)

284 I'm so sick of hearing about Mohummed's kindness and mercy! And I am sick of anything arabic! I am revolted by any arabic words. Please don't post your books here! They are a nuisance to scroll through! You are driving me to the nuthouse!

Posted by: Uncle at March 07, 2006 12:49 PM (Y2ILH)

285 Just think, the Chimps read that nonsense constantly as they rock back and forth in their brainwashing sessions. They pray 5 times a day and they are scared to death to have an opinion or to consider logic. They like to say it is the westerners who fear death because we love life when, in reality, they fear going to a firey hell. That is their greatest fear, so they won't take the chance of upsetting Allah. They think because it is written it must be true. Anyone who has ever read the New York Times knows that's a falacy. They can't be brief in their writing because they are at home drawing our unemployment and they have nothing but time on their hands. We, on the other hand, have to work so we don't have time to write novels on the net. They don't have the brains to realize that we don't have the time to read that much propganda and, if they want to get a point across, they need to be more concise. They can't answer a straight forward question with an honest answer. They think we are all out here absorbing every word and they are converting us by the millions. I forget the numbers, off hand, but there are about 1/25 as many Muslims as there are Christians. And there are a whole lot of us out here that don't buy into any of those myths that cause man to be inhumane to his fellow man.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 07, 2006 04:29 PM (iIor/)

286 Within a year Iran will probably screw the pooch and we, along with the Israelis, will have to nuke the sandlot. The current President of Iran is the inbred imbecile who will most likely cause Muslims the greatest grief in this century.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 07, 2006 04:38 PM (iIor/)

287 Sorry I couldn't be more brief. I knew I shouldn't have read any of the Quran. Now look what has happened to me. Allah is swell. Allah is pimpin. Allah is spiffy.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 07, 2006 04:41 PM (iIor/)

288 You are all stupid gays. When doomsday comes, we will watch your cries and helps under the shadow of the Muhammed(SAV)'s KORAN. You will cry for help from MUSLIMs, but they will stay under Allah's protection and watch you from the heaven. Please be quiet that day, because we don't want you block the beautiful bird sounds in the heaven. You deserve the hell's deeper parts..God knows the truth and saves Muslims..Come to yourself and join the Muslims. Your end is coming..

Posted by: Arda at March 07, 2006 05:25 PM (K6XRD)

289 That's what I'm talking about. Listen to their words. So loving. So peaceful. So tolerant. Spread their words for them so all will know their intent. Show all your friends the Armstrong beheading at michaelsavage.com and ask your friends to spread the word to their friends so the word will spread like a chain letter. It is the fastest way to expose them. They are preparing, just as they say and we all need to be ready to kick some serious ass.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 07, 2006 05:52 PM (08tHr)

290 Yeah! cch cch chh inbred! cch cch chh! yeah! imbecile! yeah! cch! cch! Yeah! inbred imbecile! cch chh cch

Posted by: Beavislam at March 07, 2006 10:42 PM (Y2ILH)

291 Truth Seeker has seen signs on Earth that Christ is standing after emerging from a split in the Earth which resembles a crow. Below him is a Hooded figure. Half way down the hooded figure is an ultraviolet infant spirit. It is tumbling towards the Boarlike, Dragon beast. I think it signifies what is happening as infant spirits are fed to the beast at the hands of hooded figures. God himself appears at least twice. An imaginative eye might percieve more.

Posted by: Truth Seeker at March 07, 2006 10:51 PM (Y2ILH)

292 My conscience was bothering me. I wondered if I had blashemed the Lord. I sought council in the Lord and found Him not to be angry at all at what was apparently insignificant. Amused more than anything. A weight was lifted and I have been different since. I think God has revealed to me through signs on Earth which I discovered just yesterday. Validation of the Lord Jesus Christ is what the images signify to me. And that God is kind, joyful, bubbly, gregarious and forgiving.

Posted by: Truth Seeker at March 07, 2006 11:08 PM (Y2ILH)

293 This is the Blessed One again. Obey no other than me and never blaspheme my name. Kill anyone who does not believe in me. And display no photos of my profile because I have a big nose and some may not think of me as a prophet since I am not perpectly proportioned by todays standards. I will be publishing my book of the Holy Verses and you should see it at Barnes and Noble within the year. As long as you continue to obey me and send money I promise you will live with fairies in heaven where Arda's beautiful singing birds will be. There will be all the pancakes you can eat and lots of new computer games. Don't forget that I will be back and if I catch anyone holding out on me I will punish them by their greatest fear. Don't forget that the Exalted One (that's me)loves you.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 08, 2006 09:55 AM (JD/cE)

294 Oh! Great Exalted Chimp in the sky! Have mercy on our souls! Let the season of thy wrath be short! Lift us ever upwards away from darkness into the light! Prepare thy feast for us that we may dine before our enemies! May your vengeance be swift and sure! We bow at thy lotus feet!

Posted by: Tailor-made faith at March 08, 2006 10:48 AM (Y2ILH)

295 Thou may wonder how it is that I came to be the new Prophet, greater than any before me. I once encountered a golden cow pissing on a rock. Suddenly the sky opened and it began to rain. The cow looked at me with a smile and I knew then that I was the Blessed One. The cow said to me "You are the one", thereby issuing confirmation from The King (not Elvis). So from this day forward you must honor me by providing me with 10% of your income. Pray to me 4 times a day---no, 5. And, by the way, bring me all your virgins.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 08, 2006 01:38 PM (JD/cE)

296 Don't listen to his foolishness! Listen to mine!

Posted by: Allyall at March 08, 2006 02:11 PM (Y2ILH)

297 Was it good for you? And the cow?

Posted by: Alligator at March 08, 2006 04:20 PM (Y2ILH)

298 Yes it was good. I was in heaven, as you shall all be if you follow my words. (I know there are Chimps out there somewhere (namely Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Egypt, Morroco, and Turkey)who are ignorant enough to believe all this crap. I'm going to be rich.)

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 08, 2006 05:28 PM (JD/cE)

299 (Pakistan, Afganistan, Indonesia-they're breeding like flies)

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 08, 2006 05:30 PM (JD/cE)

300 Pleez to you send me you address so we, er I can send to you delicious hamburger meal and many more beautiful gifts. We love to helping the little children and we have giant silo ( for to store the milk ) which is nearly finished building. When silo is finished building then we will end suffering for all the little children, and all of the peoples suffering everywhere. So please send to me you address and address of 10 friends. We will make sure that they are remembered. Thanks to you and Shalom! Er, I mean Later Dud! Please to excuse me spellbinding. I hav been very busy helping the poor little children and have not time to go to school to learn spellbinding.

Posted by: Children'sMilkFund at March 08, 2006 10:27 PM (Y2ILH)

301 What a sorry lot in life! A thankless task it must be for the Muslim wife. Being a machine for breeding little suicide bombers! Men are easy to toss away their offspring, but not so with women. If she protests she gets a fat lip! Not a very enviable position. If the women could get a grip on their men ( where it hurts! ) and render them good for making falafels only, we could begin to curb the bombings and also reduce the population explosion in one fell swoop! Mrs. Bobbitt

Posted by: Muslimwomenunite at March 08, 2006 10:49 PM (Y2ILH)

302 And, Europeans unite! The death threats issued by the cartoon protesters have caused everyone to give up a little of their freedom of speech. Sometimes it is excused as an effort to be sensitive, but they are winning an inch at a time. Sharia law is what they are after and they will have it as soon as they get a majority. Sharia law governs one's actions according to their religion. The religious police will be watching everything you do to be certain it is in accordance with Islam. Stand for your rights now. Send the seditionists back to their home country or start buying Burqas for your women before the demand causes the prices to rise.

Posted by: Chimp Alert at March 09, 2006 09:45 AM (JD/cE)

303 Does the governing of actions include not appearing in public without your suicide belt?

Posted by: Sendemallback at March 09, 2006 10:36 AM (Y2ILH)

304 Arda has cracked the nail on the head for muslims brain washing is that what they put in the quaran? If so they have put bullshit in it and i can smell it from here!

Posted by: just another muslim dead! at March 11, 2006 05:16 PM (dtjxn)

305 Rumsfeld and Bush are right! We are winning the war on Terror! Everyday dozens of Iraqis get taken out along with 1 or 2 suicide bomber scum! We might lose 1 or 2 of our men, but as long as more of them than us are exiting the picture, all is well and it's a perfect world!

Posted by: Hailus at March 12, 2006 11:58 AM (Y2ILH)

306 When I said Iraqis I was being unfair. What I meant was terrorists since Muslim is the prevalent religion in these parts and the rest of the world is realizing the danger inherent therein. Meanwhile as they proceed to take out each others mosques and incite civil war, it's fast approaching a perfect world!

Posted by: Hailus at March 12, 2006 12:56 PM (Y2ILH)

307 It is dawning on the world that Islam or Muslims need to be regarded as organized crime and cannot be given religious status but need to be regarded the same as the Ku Kux Klan or the Mafia. They need to be roped off and contained. Do we let the Mafia integrate into society? Or the Ku Kux Klan? Good thing we have caused them to come out and show their murderous hands before they have a chance to infiltrate decent societies any more than they already have!

Posted by: Hailus at March 13, 2006 07:01 PM (Y2ILH)

308 west is terorist.down with israel.eslam very power.i am iranian cartoonist.

Posted by: ali reza at March 16, 2006 01:11 PM (DkN83)

309 cartoons are very very worth.i think you are mad.

Posted by: danial at March 16, 2006 01:16 PM (DkN83)

310 So shoud you not be commetning here http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/163447.php or maybe here http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/163465.php Or hell you may even get your own post.

Posted by: Howie at March 16, 2006 01:20 PM (D3+20)

311 west is wild.i love islam.

Posted by: barbara at March 16, 2006 01:23 PM (DkN83)

312 Iranian Cartoonist in the netherlands??

Posted by: Howie at March 16, 2006 01:34 PM (D3+20)

313 iranian cartoonist in Netherlands with MPD as well? Nope you are a troll.

Posted by: Howie at March 16, 2006 01:36 PM (D3+20)

314 The pen is mightier than the sword. Gimme mo Mo-Toons

Posted by: Jay Kellett at March 19, 2006 10:10 PM (sXinM)

315 And these towel heads don't raise an eyebrow over the beheadings online: " Advocate Qamar Afzal stated in his arguments that the availability of the caricatures on the Internet, which have hurt the religious sentiments of Muslims worldwide, should be declared Â“intellectual terrorismÂ”. " The world is my oyster. Round 'em up and rope 'em off!

Posted by: Hailus at March 21, 2006 10:44 PM (Y2ILH)

316 More Mo picsclick, click click

Posted by: Bummer at March 21, 2006 11:14 PM (sXinM)

317 Bummer! Thanks for the Mo picks! Definitely lifted me out of my dulldrums!

Posted by: Hailus at March 22, 2006 04:11 PM (Y2ILH)

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Bush Declares Fatwa on Blasphemous Art

It's all rather blasphemous. Why aren't the Christian Right and Bushitlerites out en masse? I thought they were the equivalent of the Taliban?

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Charles Krauthammer Endorses Jawa View of 'Moderate' Muslims

It's great to receive the endorsement of Charles Krauthammer on the Jawa view that the only distinction between the 'moderate' Muslim and the 'radical' Muslim is one of means and severity and not of ends themselves. Especially given that Dean decides to wuss out and not respond to any more of criticisms of his conflation of 'liberal' and 'moderate' Muslims (which, by the way, also conflates the endorsement of 'democracy' by many moderate Muslims, but who simultaneously reject the underlying elements of democracy such as freedom of press, speech, and religion--eg, Grand Ayatollah Sistani who universally regarded as a 'moderate' who supports 'democracy' and 'secularism', but who wishes for the secular government to impose the death penalty on those who blaspheme the prophet). Most people wish to believe that they are 'moderate', even when they are the extremes of the Right and Left. Thus, many Muslims who are in fact 'liberal' in comparison to the mainstream, believe they are moderates.

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Sweden Caves to Islamic Threats, Forces Cartoon Publisher Offline (UPDATE)

Wow, this is the first time that a Western government has forced an online publisher of blasphemy offline. What's really interesting is that the Swedish government cites national security as the cause.

There is a general call for solidarity for all Swedish internet sites by the Stockholm Specatator to republish the cartoon in defiance of the government's capitulation.

And if you think Sweden doesn't have its share of Islamic terrorists, then you haven't been reading The Jawa Report long enough. See Army of Ansar al-Sunnah--In SWEDEN!?!?!; Ansar al-Sunna finds 'Safe Haven' in Sweden, Issues Death Fatwa Against Christian Minister; Sweden Reduces Terrorism Sentences; Muslim Ruled Sweden?

Via Emperor Darth Misha this from the Stockholm Spectator:

According to Dagens Nyheter, the Swedish security services (SÃƒÂ¤po), in collusion with Foreign Minister Leila Freivalds, have forced the website SD-Kuriren offline for publishing the Jyllands-Posten cartoons (SD-Kuriren is the house organ of the hard-right Swedish Democrats).
Â“We think that this was the best decision after we were contacted by the Foreign Ministry and SÃƒÂ¤po,Â” Anna Larsson, vice president of hosting compant Levonline, told DN. Freivalds told DN that Â“it is terrible that a small group of extremists are exposing Swedes to danger [by reprinting the cartoons].Â”

This is what happens when your country lets any one claiming to be a 'political refugee' in. Do you really think its safe to let those who are persecuted in their home countries for being too radically Islamist?

UPDATE: Via Michelle Malkin, here is an English translation of some the original article mentioned.

A Swedish Internet provider has shut down the website of an extreme right fringe party after authorities voiced concerns over a Prophet Mohammed drawing contest posted on the site.
Internet provider Levonline shut down the Sweden DemocratsÂ’ website late Thursday following discussions with both the foreign ministry and the National security police.
The foreign minister, Laila Freivalds however denies that the ministry ordered the internet provider to shut down the website. Speaking to reporters she said the foreign ministry and the security police simply informed the company of possible ramifications for Swedes abroad....
In a press release on the partyÂ’s website the party says it pulled the drawings after considering the consequences for Swedes living in the the muslim world.

And don't miss Michelle's piece on the dhimmitude of the world here.

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1 >>>What's really interesting is that the Swedish government cites national security as the cause. Not a surprise. Lefties are more than happy to censor free speech if it's "offensive." Yet they constantly bedwet about "privacy" even though eavesdropping does nothing to curtail my freedom of speech (unless I'm a terrorist). Welcome to the upside down world of Liberalism.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 10, 2006 09:30 AM (8e/V4)

2 >>>This is what happens when your country lets any one claiming to be a 'political refugee' in. Do you really think its safe to let those who are persecuted in their home countries for being too radically Islamist? Nailed it again. Liberalism is national suicide.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 10, 2006 09:43 AM (8e/V4)

3 the sooner that Islam is crushed the better.

Posted by: Me at February 10, 2006 10:58 AM (VSGms)

4 Going down - going down down down down down! Oh those Euros! The race is on. They are all so in love with their "progressive status quo" persona and lifestyle - they will negotiate themselves into irrelevance and oblivion. Show your support this weekend - buy a case of Buds or Coors~!

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 11:27 AM (3aakz)

5 While we criticize the largely socialist governments of Europe for hoisting the white flag, let's not lose sight of the fact that our own leftist mass media has also already surrendered to Muslim intimidation. The time has come: everybody who has a blog or a website needs to publish those cartoons. Somebody needs to stand up to the howling mobs, and it isn't going to be government or elite media. Time for the individual to stand up and be counted.

Posted by: geobandy at February 10, 2006 12:07 PM (rRNqo)

6 Yep, I'm standing, geobandy, but I'm standing with my Socom locked and loaded. I'm afraid it is going to come to that before it is all said and done.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 10, 2006 03:42 PM (rUyw4)

7 The sweeds just dont have the backbones anymore what a shame

Posted by: sandpiper at February 10, 2006 05:20 PM (FpZEl)

8 Hey Geo.. yes, the leftist media has hoisted the white flag. But, remember, they don't count. The more I read about this stuff, the more I'm convinced that those of us who value our western civilization need to throw as must wood on this fire as possible. People will say that's fanning the flames of muslim outrage. I say it's our right to be as blasphemous as we want to be. Any kind of self-censorship is just as bad as the government-imposed brand. Muslims are going to have to suck it up and be big boys if they want to get out of the sandbox and gain a little respect. They can abide by their religious laws all they want, but they don't have anything to with ME. I answer to a different set of laws. The trouble with muslims is that they really DO see islamic law as trumping all others. I say fck em!

Posted by: Richard at February 10, 2006 07:06 PM (W8EsU)

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Danish Editor Put on Leave for Iranian Holocaust Cartoon Controversy

This is certainly interesting. Notice that he was 'sent' on leave.

BBC:

The Danish editor who commissioned the Prophet Muhammad cartoons at the centre of a global row has been sent on leave.
Flemming Rose, culture editor of the Jyllands-Posten newspaper, got the order after saying he might print Iranian cartoons of the Holocaust.
The Danish cartoons, seen by many Muslims as insulting to their faith, have sparked worldwide protests.
Earlier this week, an Iranian newspaper said it was holding a contest inviting cartoonists to depict the Holocaust.
Hamshahri said it wanted to test the boundaries of free speech, echoing the reasons Jyllands-Posten and other European papers have given for publishing the caricatures.

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1 In my own research on the Holocaust, I've come across two things that are problematical. Why have revisionist historians, scientists and publishers been murdered, assaulted, had acid thrown in their face, and been imprisoned? This seems like Dark Ages stuff. Here is a site that gives a partial list of these victims: http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html And why was it necessary to torture confessions from Nazis during the Nuremberg trials? Here is an article that details the extensive use of torture by the Allies against Nazi defendants: http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/12/2/Weber167-213.html

Posted by: Jill Henry at February 10, 2006 09:03 AM (BJYNn)

2 You got to be kidding! - Max

Posted by: Max at February 10, 2006 09:08 AM (Ol+Ma)

3 Guys, why keep wringing hands over the craven network news and the print msm? If the collective lot hadn't fallen in love with themselves then sold their souls for profits and appeasement, there never would have been bloggers. MSM doesn't dictate anything anymore, who cares if the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, papers far and near can't summon the courage to speak for Western values? When Power Line and others took down CBS's and Dan Rather's britches, they didn't expose a hot hunk, just spandex wrapped around french dip. By the way, this site deserves some Fatwa's, why not start posting on Iranian, Eygptian, Saudi, Pakistani newspaper websites? I'm thinking letters to the editors or letters to the Imam? How about reporting yourself on a Saudi hotline for the religious police?

Posted by: changehappens at February 10, 2006 09:09 AM (hGibF)

4 Screw him! I saw his interview - I know why he did it - and then he/they compound it by not having the balls to see it thru.

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 11:56 AM (3aakz)

5 That's my problem with these guys, too, hondo. Why don't they see that it will only get worse? Why don't we see it, too? Our media is sucking hind tit on this issue, also.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 10, 2006 03:45 PM (rUyw4)

6 I guess you won't see Jews behaving like Muslims over the unterschweins' Holocaust denial cartoons cause Jews are civilized and Muslims are fascist barbarians.

Posted by: Jake at February 10, 2006 10:52 PM (5m1yM)

7 Jews are civilized and Muslims are fascist barbarians !!! is it ?! why don't you work at Jyllands-Posten instead better bless us with your words of wisdom it's people like you who are making it much much more worse than it's really is wonder who u r jake ? if it's not the devil inside you whom i should be talking to

Posted by: Mohd at February 16, 2006 11:16 PM (JzGnm)

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The Olympic Good Old Days

Can't say I miss the Cold War, but it certainly did make for better Olympic Games. Decision '08:

No, the real problem is that the BIG storyline is missing. We have no good Olympic enemies anymore. The one totally tangible memory that most people have (even people who didn't watch it, in the curious way these things work) of a real athletic moment of glory is Al Michaels asking "Do you believe in miracles?' as the United States defeated the Soviet Union at long last on the hockey rink at Lake Placid. That's the Soviet Union, not Russia, and we're talking Cold War here.

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Jesus Pancake Could Be Mohammed

Jesus Pancake (Beachwood, Ohio) While preparing breakfast, Mike Thompson found that one of his pancakes displayed a facial image. Thompson and his wife concluded that the face looked like Jesus Christ. As a result, the Thompsons decided to sell the pancake on eBay.

There has been controversy concerning whether the likeness is of Jesus Christ or another individual. One observer believes it somewhat resembles the prophet Mohammed or, maybe, that hairy guy at the cycle shop. Obviously, a pancake image authentication expert (Mrs. Butterworth?) needs to weigh in on the issue.

In the meantime, it's reported that bidding on the pancake has been light.

From Interested-Participant.

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1 Gee, I don't know. That does kinda look like a turbin on his head.

Posted by: Oyster at February 10, 2006 07:09 AM (YudAC)

2 That is one of the worst looking pancakes I have ever seen. It has that experimental recipe gone horribly wrong look.

Posted by: Graeme at February 10, 2006 07:29 AM (uncdj)

3 I don't know, I think it depicts the prophet mohammed and in truth it comes from a cafe that sells pork products - you know, bacon, ham, sausage - time for muslims to take to the street in protest and burn that cafe down. Well? What's to stop them from protesting the presence or close proximity of bars to muslim neighborhoods for instance? How much 'peaceful' protest would it take to shut a bar down, one that is say close to a muslim housing project? It would be easy - 30-40 guys from the arab street, looking menacing, making threats and what customer wouldn't go someplace else? The arab street would have the right to protest and in light of alcohol being so offensive to muslims, wouldn't they be given extra latitude and consideration when the protests turned violent?Same with porn shops and meat markets that sell pork. How about violent protests to enact laws that prohibit bars and porn shops from being within say 1500 meters of any mosque? My favorite would be violent protests for laws that force non-muslim women to cover their heads when in muslim neighborhoods. That would be the crowning jewel, now wouldn't it?

Posted by: goesh at February 10, 2006 07:51 AM (vX0fY)

4 Looks more like a Wookiee to me. Chewbacca?

Posted by: Brad at February 10, 2006 08:12 AM (BJYNn)

5 I'm with you, Brad. Now where's Han Solo? On a doughnut?

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 10, 2006 10:03 AM (rUyw4)

6 Jesus/Muhammad Pancake. Since both individuals lived long before photography was invented and portrait drawings, who knows what either one looks like in order to identify anything resembling the two. It could be Larry, Moe, or Curly!!

Posted by: Gary at February 10, 2006 10:20 AM (fC2pg)

7 Joe, IÂ’m about 80% sure itÂ’s Wookiee, but just to be safe, we better pull this pancake mix off the shelves and throw it in the corner with old 7Â” Mustafa. Jeez, a little flour, syrup and the next thing you know, the bearded ones are burning cars all over Europe. IÂ’m planning my own little demonstration when the Da Vinchi Code movie comes out. IÂ’m going to take my sonÂ’s old Buzz Light Year doll out and light it on fire in the front yard. Well, back to work Â…oh andÂ… UHHHHÂ…..death to Hollywood.

Posted by: Brad at February 10, 2006 10:47 AM (BJYNn)

8 YEAH, death to .....death. And His name is Jesus Christ, not Mohammed!

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 10, 2006 03:51 PM (rUyw4)

9 Shroom comes to mind!

Posted by: forest hunter at February 11, 2006 04:01 AM (Fq6zR)

10 whatever, one who cooked this pancake is dead, now muslim will demand soon, no one should cook pancakes, if its proved its mohammed. i like pancakes.. so i request please vote its not mohammed LOL

Posted by: Human at February 11, 2006 08:21 AM (juygv)

11 I think the whole thing is a hoax. Or the seller is hoakie. The bids have been jumping all over the place. Many of the bids have been retracted as bogus. It looks like he seller is running up the price. Alot of the bidders are new ebayers, new as in just since the pancake has shown up on ebay. All in all I think the seller is a crook.

Posted by: Joanne at February 13, 2006 07:21 AM (h5wzv)

12 Here is an email I got back from the guy. >Hey Frank! >Thank you VERY MUCH for the e-mail. >I think people that believe that stuff like this >is devine are a little nutty too. I do however >think my pancake looks like Jesus. >I'llcheck out the site have a great day!

Posted by: Frank at February 13, 2006 02:12 PM (Op5uL)

13 Honestly are you all that stupid? The Jesus pancake man is also selling the jesus pancake maker. Bunch of gullible fools. Hats off to Mike. Genious

Posted by: JJ at February 13, 2006 02:54 PM (DE6En)

14 Yeah, he sent me another email back stating that he was 'advertising' for his pancake maker. Anyways, how would I have known about a Jesus pancake maker that is currently for sale? I am not really in the market for one at the time being. I just happened to see 'Jesus Pancake' on the MSN home page, and thought 'Are you kidding me?'

Posted by: Frank at February 14, 2006 01:13 AM (Op5uL)

15 i seriously think this is ridiculous!!!!! lets be real what kind of idiot would tyr to sell a "jesus" looking pancake on ebay what a waste of time!!!!!

Posted by: rebecca at February 18, 2006 10:36 AM (Ik/vL)

16 I live in ohio the man that found this lives outside of cleveland and was on the news in my side of town. the thing was a hoaxs. He was promoting his jesus frying pan...just in case you wanted to know.

Posted by: Ryan at February 18, 2006 06:18 PM (4jgE6)

17 Looks like a spider to me. Sorry, can't see a thing.

Posted by: Penny at February 20, 2006 08:19 AM (VrqWQ)

18 That pancake is definately made with the JesusPan. Here's an article with other Jesus Pancakes/Toasts and pictures: Breakfast With Jesus - Face of Jesus Appears In Breakfast Foods

Posted by: MrBreakfast at March 07, 2006 03:32 PM (8adJm)

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Lighten Up, Will Ya?

Michelle Malkin says that the Cartoon Jihadists are winning the battle of the Free Press.

The first two examples come from Malaysia and Yemen, hardly bastions of press freedom to begin with.

The rest are either socialist countries, or former Communist countries. And the U.N. And the E.U.

I am to going finally place the last brick into the wall that keeps me in the bowels of the blogosphere dungeon by disagreeing with Michelle Malkin.

I will believe that the Cartoon Jihadists are winning when they finally prevent me from posting offending images of Mohammed.

Why we are choosing to die upon the hill of whether or not what MSM outlets publish these pictures makes me want to pull out the duct tape for head wrappage again.

If the blogosphere truly wants to be the new media, then we have got to stop worrying about what the MSM does or doesn't do.

Who gives a flying blank at a rolling donut if the L.A. Times didn't publish the photos? I've posted them numerous times, and so have others. So many that the google searches for these caricatures far outstrip the daily readership of any newspaper in the world.

That is what free press is. And that's why I disagree that the Cartoon Jihadists are winning.

And this is why I should resign myself to being a bottom-feeding blogger. Forever and ever.

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1 The "free press" isn't doing anything different that they don't always do. They've been censoring much of the the truth for how long now? No, we're not losing. Europe will be if they enact more censorship laws. As I heard someone say one day, "You can have my keyboard when you pry it from my cold, dead, cheeto-stained fingers." Bottom feeders of the world, UNTIE!

Posted by: Oyster at February 10, 2006 03:42 AM (YudAC)

2 The jihadotards are definitely winning against the chickenshit liberals, who fall all over themselves to surrender to America's enemies every chance they get, and try to undermine any efforts to resist the evil du jour. Liberals are not quite as useful as tits on a bull, and should all be shot and ground up for fertilizer or something so that they can at least contribute to society in some small measure.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 10, 2006 05:06 AM (0yYS2)

3 The Fascist Muslims have been winning in America for 30 years. The courts have repeatedly attacked anything that relates to, or supports, Judeo-Chriatian values. Most recently here in SoCal the Trial Lawyers forced the County of LA, and Cities of San Diego and Redlands to spend $hundreds of millions to change their logos, letterheads and emblems to delete things that may reference Judeo-Christian values. LA County is on the verge of bankruptcy because of this and has had to cut back on many other programs; including the Sherriff's Dept. But the Trial Lawyers and the courts have supported the FascistMuslims. I Refer to cases forcing governments and companies to give paid time off to employees to face Mecca and pray during the Call to Prayers.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at February 10, 2006 06:23 AM (lwdxR)

4 hey let's publish the cartoons AND the abu Ghraib photos together !! That should make for some fine dancing in the streets

Posted by: john ryan at February 10, 2006 01:37 PM (TcoRJ)

5 Right on. Could not agree more. But are you concerned about the big service providers or hosting services giving in? I don't know if you saw it, but what Google is doing with study of Revenge and in China with regard to certain subjects is pretty worrying. http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Stuart Fullerton at February 10, 2006 11:55 PM (0D12r)

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Caricatures Of The Prophet Mohammed

Just because I'm going through personal issues doesn't mean I haven't given up my quest for a fatwa.

Below the fold you will find several caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES BELOW!!!!! more...

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1 Dear god - all of them - have you no shame? That picture of Hilary! as anyone (even Hilary!) is pathetic pandering for a fatwa. Shame!

Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at February 10, 2006 03:02 AM (eer2X)

2 Hell! I'm gonna kill ya just for tricking me into seeing that fat chick! I can only take so much disrespect.

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 03:09 AM (3aakz)

3 You know, you coulda kept Scott Baio out of this. You've really crossed a line now, buddy.

Posted by: Oyster at February 10, 2006 03:57 AM (YudAC)

4 They're not Mohammed. I'M Mohammed!

Posted by: Aaron's cc: at February 10, 2006 04:19 AM (ov6Vw)

5 How come there are two pictures of Michael Moore in that group? Your chances of a fatwa would probably have gone up if you had included Larry Flynt.

Posted by: Graeme at February 10, 2006 04:23 AM (uncdj)

6 No Graeme, that was really three pictures of Hitlery. She looks quite different without her makeup.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 10, 2006 05:11 AM (0yYS2)

7 Vinnie, you may get that fatwa, yet. Anything that could get hondo that riled ought to be worth a fatwa.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 10, 2006 05:12 AM (rUyw4)

8 How dare you foul the beauty of Scott Baio! I will light a flag on fire and not bathe for weeks and then maybe, refuse to tip my regular waitress at the olive garden.,

Posted by: Filthy at February 10, 2006 07:47 AM (5ceWd)

9 So Vinnie - when I come over this weekend - maybe we go for drive over to that Italian bakery n' pick up some cannolies.

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 11:34 AM (3aakz)

10 i was looking for the actual caricutes of mohammed published in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten, but this was a good laugh. thanks

Posted by: melanie at February 11, 2006 12:12 PM (baeWk)

11 that fourth one down isn't me, it's Fatimomma, one of my 72 virgins. You have gone too far this time in desecrating her image. Now I'm really mad!

Posted by: Demmahom Phub at February 11, 2006 09:58 PM (tO9V8)

12 even the value ofJESUS christ who,and all God'sprophets,respect him so much and we will still respect him till the Dayafter.Really they are very hopless.

Posted by: salah at February 19, 2006 07:54 AM (mr/i9)

13 those who don't feel shame for insulting GOD'S PROPHET,surely they don't respect not only muslim's theirs prophet,but theirs too(MOSES NOR JESUS CHRIST).

Posted by: salah at February 19, 2006 08:01 AM (mr/i9)

14 wats all this mess

Posted by: mike at February 24, 2006 01:45 PM (CcFK2)

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ACLU Attacks Boy Scouts, Again

Having never forgiven the Boy Scouts of America for successfully resisting ACLU attempts to foist overtly homosexual Scout leaders on them (the Supreme Court ruled in 2000 that the Scouts could select their own leaders), the ACLU is now threatening Boy Scout charters with local governments. The ACLU feels that there is excessive mention of "God" and "reverence" among the Scouts, and that this violates the doctrine of separation of church and state. more...

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1 That's the difference between Lefty vs conservative pressure groups. Conservatives apply grassroots pressure, while the Left, being fringe, has to resort to litigation and the courts. They are true totalitarians; a minority attempting to lead the majority by the nose- and using the court system to do so. They are vile and unamerican.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 10, 2006 12:32 AM (8e/V4)

2 Isn't their ultimate argument because the Boyscouts are a nonprofit organization, in other words contributions are tax-deductible? If so why should this be any different than a church? The ACLU is also a nonprofit organization; well its split into two entities. It lobbies and is funded through its membership, but its official foundation litigates and educates and what it derives as income is tax-deductible. They're just like the NAACP and AARP and all 3 'educate' and lobby for political ends. This is against the requirements for tax-exempt status. The NRA for example is not tax-exempt.

Posted by: Javapuke at February 10, 2006 12:52 AM (7D0Nk)

3 The BSA symbolically represents what they loathe the most - us. Its not about taxes - its about belief systems.

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 03:13 AM (3aakz)

4 The ACLU gets far more, FAR more, funding from government for frivolous litigation. And when they leave, they leave ruination in their wake. At least the Boy Scouts leave a place better than it was when they arrived. The ACLU represents some of the most hateful and bigoted people they can scrape off a rock. The Boy Scouts simply ask that someone not be "overtly" homosexual. Frankly, with the "don't ask - don't tell" policy that has been adopted and in today's atmosphere after the priest scandals and lack of control of sexual child-predation, I don't find it all that unreasonable.

Posted by: Oyster at February 10, 2006 05:09 AM (YudAC)

5 You're right hondo. I think the ACLU hates the BSA the most is because it's the last place where the traditional values of American society can be instilled in heterosexual males, thus innoculating them against the virus of liberalism when they venture off to college.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 10, 2006 05:10 AM (0yYS2)

6 Sorry guys, but I was a boyscout in the original Boyscouts of the Netherlands during the 1960ies. At camp at one time we had a male performer in our tent who jerked off with cum! for one bottle of soda pop (brandname Exota). He upped his price as he got a to wide audience willing to pay for the spectable. We got groped all the time by other scouts. Some even mounted farm animals. That no boyscout lost his willy from a dog more interested in the sausage than the sause is still a wonder to me. I have never been licked off by a cow, but if so inclined I learnt it at the original Boyscouts of the Netherlands. Our tents at camp were constantly patrolled with flashlights during the night. Bedhopping was frequent. Some Akela's had their favorites over for "sleepovers" in the seperate adult tents. Most of us were jealous of the perks these chosen enjoyed, from transport by car, while we walked, better food at the masters' table and what we thought was the luxury of unhindered sleep. Most of the scout masters were married or engaged: to women. I think a lot of inoculation went on inside those masters' tents. Like a lot of inoculation went on in all-male Catholic schools, orphanages, boarding schools run by Catholic priests. The British navy wouldn't be able to put all those ships out to sea if they didn't allow inoculators aboard.

Posted by: tom at February 10, 2006 07:27 AM (97DNF)

7 >>>At camp at one time we had a male performer in our tent who jerked off with cum! for one bottle of soda pop (brandname Exota). He upped his price as he got a to wide audience willing to pay for the spectable. tom, if our Boy Scouts were like the netherlands Boyscouts, the ACLU wouldn't be suing them all the time, I guarantee it.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 10, 2006 08:06 AM (8e/V4)

8 Oh great! Now people look at me in the office 'cause I can't stop laughing! No wonder I visit this blog everyday... - Max

Posted by: Max at February 10, 2006 09:02 AM (Ol+Ma)

9 The ACLU the Atheists.Communists and Lawyers. Underground. americas most far left group of subversives ever along with the workers world party and the communists USA and they have the HQ right in the middle of HANOI ON THE BAY so why should we be surprised so instead of using the satue of liberty as the logo the should just use the communist symbol

Posted by: sandpiper at February 10, 2006 09:30 AM (U+eLg)

10 Fuck the ALCU!

Posted by: Andy at February 10, 2006 09:37 AM (tMU4W)

11 All anyone needs to know about the ACLU is their undying support (including legal and monetary support) for the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) who's website has articles on how to find young boys at an impressionable age that are ripe for the picking and make them fall in love with you. Don't forget that the ACLU receives large donations from communist countries who are doing what they can to bring us down from within. If people knew the real ACLU and not the one the MSM portrays, the money would start to dry up.

Posted by: slug at February 10, 2006 10:01 AM (wcNc2)

12 Oyster is right. If we want to get serious about stopping the ACLU, we need to get Congress to change the laws that reward these litigators for filing and winning frivolous lawsuits. But we are up against the liberals in Congress, including the Trial Lawyers Association, and the RINO's who secretly support change in America forced by the Judicial Branch. And it's not change for the better that these RINO's support, but stealth leftism. I talked to my Congressman last week about this very issue, and he was very noncommital, and he is a Democrat, just so you know. No help from him, just useless baggage for the Left, even though he claims to be conservative at election time.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 10, 2006 10:17 AM (rUyw4)

13 Euro Boyscouts ... now that image is funny ... and sooooo Dutch!

Posted by: hondo at February 10, 2006 11:48 AM (3aakz)

14 JJ, I think if anyone really wants to get serious about putting a stop to the ACLU, they're going to have to do it 1776 style.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 10, 2006 03:41 PM (0yYS2)

15 But when Goerge Bush had his gov't S.S. flunkies throw people with Kerry shirts out of his rallies, the same Conservatives who preen themselves on their new found tolerance were the first to deny, then justify Bush's petty fascism

Posted by: Jake at February 10, 2006 10:56 PM (5m1yM)

16 The ACLU is so horrible, but when the government busted Limbaugh for prescription drug fraud and abuse, the ACLU took his side on medical privacy and the fat hypocrite weaseled his way out. Conservatives hate the ACLu unless it serves their agenda

Posted by: Jake at February 10, 2006 10:58 PM (5m1yM)

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