Some of the libby profs have accused the Bruin Alumni Association of a "witch hunt". I don't understand why they're upset. They act as if they're ashamed to have their classroom politics exposed to the light of day.
If you find yourself ashamed of your political views, it might be time to change them.
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As my father always said - if you don't like the way the truth makes you look - better change the way you act, because you cannot change the truth.
Posted by: The Random Yak at January 18, 2006 11:09 PM (p0W/4)
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As long as this association produces its "Shitty Fifty" list of radical right professors in a reasonable amount of time, the Lib professors should have no gripe.
Posted by: Drew at January 18, 2006 11:10 PM (oxMjD)
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Drew, it's UCLA. Just how many rightwing professors do you think are on the faculty?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 18, 2006 11:13 PM (RHG+K)
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Actually a lousy way of going about it - seems more like a PR stunt.
Of course Professors are going to have views and agendas (and overwhelming lib/left to boot). So what! Its their perogative - in writing and contract no less!
The focus should always be on abuse of position! Slanted grading, harrassment, attempts at career sabotaging etc. These things do happened! And with the right case and documentation, should be actionable under civil law!
I have seen this happen in EDU - with the expressed goal of preventing a student from entering the education field because of the "personal ideology".
FIRE is using this approach, and looking for the right case to take the distance in court. That's were it matters! Not in a PR stunt whose sole goal is to tell me something I already know.
Bluto - it should be obvious I believe in "winning isn't everything - it is the only thing." I'm not interested in trick fancy plays for amusement - only in the final score.
Posted by: hondo at January 18, 2006 11:15 PM (3aakz)
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Bluto: I've got the feeling we won't find out from these fellows. Even if its three, let's see the names of the ones that are going "too far."
Posted by: Drew at January 18, 2006 11:15 PM (oxMjD)
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hondo: ignore PR at your own risk. PR cost us Vietnam, and may cost us Iraq and the GWOT.
Drew: I agree. Professors should not be forcing their political agenda on students.
Random Yak: it's nice to have a smart father.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 18, 2006 11:26 PM (RHG+K)
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What ignore?
This group wants to expose bias in the classroom and then what - blog about?
I and FIRE want to bring a solid civil suit of several million dollars against a university and some professors knowing full well in will end up in major courts with full media attention (they couldn't help it).
Which one is truly serious? Which one is looking for a real battle?
Posted by: hondo at January 18, 2006 11:35 PM (3aakz)
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heh. This might go over better across town at SC...
Posted by: caltechgirl at January 19, 2006 01:29 AM (uI/79)
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PR stunt or not, if it makes just one lib-tard have thoughts about keeping his personal feelings to himself, I support it.
Teach me physics, fetch my mocha grande, or STFU.
SOTG
Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at January 19, 2006 07:47 AM (maXzk)
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I like how they work so hard that they have to pay 100 bucks to student snitches.
Is it legal to tape record lectures?
Posted by: actus at January 19, 2006 09:11 AM (TEHSD)
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actus: In some instances I think it is legal. I'm not sure of the rules, but it's my understanding that it is.
Posted by: Oyster at January 19, 2006 09:19 AM (osKlJ)
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>>>"They act as if they're ashamed to have their classroom politics exposed to the light of day."
These Leftwing brainwashers would prefer to do their work under cover of dark and below the radar. Very much like cockroaches also like to do their thing in the dark. Flip on the kitchen lightswitch though, and watch them scatter for cover. That's why they don't allow tape recorders in their classrooms-- it would ACCURATELY reflect what they're saying, and they don't want that. Liberalism, as we've noted on numerous occassions, is a stealth ideology that has to keep many of its cards close to the vest. They wouldn't want to alarm the ignorant unwashed masses until it's already too late to do anything about it-- for the good of the unwashed masses, of course.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 19, 2006 09:26 AM (8e/V4)
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Is it legal for rectus to be a whiney little traitor bitch? Rectus, if upon waking I found that I was you, I'd kill myself. Honestly, you liberals are such pathetic little whiney fucks, how do you live with yourselves? There's not an ounce of manhood to be found among a thousand of you. Goddamn gay cowboy movie-watching losers.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 19, 2006 09:32 AM (0yYS2)
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"actus: In some instances I think it is legal. I'm not sure of the rules, but it's my understanding that it is."
Is it legal to tape record lectures at a public, taxpayer funded university, and then sell them for personal profit?
"They act as if they're ashamed to have their classroom politics exposed to the light of day"
Light? these people sound more like the dark side really.
Posted by: actus at January 19, 2006 09:33 AM (TEHSD)
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I don't know what good it will do anyway. Look at where Ward Churchill's exposure has gone. He's still on the lecture circuit, still has his job and still sucks.
Posted by: Oyster at January 19, 2006 09:37 AM (osKlJ)
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As I said, actus, I'm not sure of the rules. If you're so concerned, why don't you look it up?
Posted by: Oyster at January 19, 2006 09:48 AM (osKlJ)
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"As I said, actus, I'm not sure of the rules. If you're so concerned, why don't you look it up?"
Eugene volokh has. Answer is as you would expect.
Posted by: actus at January 19, 2006 10:06 AM (TEHSD)
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I used to record my professor's lectures all the time, just so I didn't have to take notes. None of my professors objected, even the "whiny little bitches" teaching sociology and English Literature.
Of course, this was several years ago when the Leftist assholes had everything going their way. Now, being the chicken shits(most, not all) that they are, they are trying to limit free speech in the public arena. If the schools are public, then everything they say in the classroom should be for public consumption.
What say you, Mr. Actus?
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 19, 2006 10:23 AM (rUyw4)
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" If the schools are public, then everything they say in the classroom should be for public consumption.
What say you, Mr. Actus?"
I say its awright to prevent commercial re-use of taxpayer funded education. But I agree with you that everyone should get free education from CA public universities.
Posted by: actus at January 19, 2006 11:01 AM (CqheE)
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It sounds like actus opted to punt.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 19, 2006 11:16 AM (8e/V4)
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actus
Its allowed - whether it LEGAL is totally dependent on what the tape is to be used for. Its legality will vary depending on utilization - and would then have to be decided by relevant authorities - like say in a civil suit.
Oyster - ref. Churchill - there are even lecture videotapes - so what. A tenured professor has virtually an absolute freehand - by law and tradition - see my point.
What they say doesn't matter - its what they do after saying it does - that should be the target of interest! Not a sideshow distraction.
Posted by: hondo at January 19, 2006 11:46 AM (3aakz)
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actus, your new Delta name is Polly Prissypants.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 19, 2006 12:30 PM (RHG+K)
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"Its allowed - whether it LEGAL is totally dependent on what the tape is to be used for. Its legality will vary depending on utilization - and would then have to be decided by relevant authorities - like say in a civil suit."
In this case the tape is being sold for 100 bucks.
Some people believe that since this is a public institution, everyone ought to get those lectures, not just people who pay tuition. I think that's a laudable system -- full public financing of education -- but rather unfair to those who are asked to pay tuition to attend these lectures.
Posted by: actus at January 19, 2006 12:56 PM (GkLkk)
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Al jezzera of the west ( you guys know who they are, so you'll have to change that part of the address below) has a related article at
http://www.Al jezzera of the west.com/2006/EDUCATION/01/19/academic.freedom.ap/index.html
Posted by: memphis761 at January 19, 2006 12:56 PM (D3+20)
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actus
You see me arguing with you?
Posted by: hondo at January 19, 2006 01:12 PM (3aakz)
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Actus has a hard time staying on point. He is the typical Leftist, when you are kicking their ass in an argument, they change the subject. Very much like my 10-year old daughter. Hmmm....liberals and 10 year-olds, yep they have about the same maturity level.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 19, 2006 04:19 PM (rUyw4)
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"actus
You see me arguing with you?"
Do you see me arguing with you? No. I'm just adding some more information so that we can all be well informed.
"He is the typical Leftist, when you are kicking their ass in an argument, they change the subject. Very much like my 10-year old daughter."
You kick your daughter's ass in arguments? what kind of a grownup are you?
Posted by: actus at January 19, 2006 05:06 PM (TEHSD)
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Ha Ha Ha Ha
JJ - you did serve that one up - to the showers!
Posted by: hondo at January 19, 2006 06:32 PM (3aakz)
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"you kick your daughter's ass in an argument? what kind of grownup are you?"
The kind that wants her to grow up to be a decent human being. And the reference is to her changing the subject, not getting her ass kicked. The mental reference between you and her still stands, as it is accurate. But she is improving, and you seem to be going the other way.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 19, 2006 07:38 PM (rUyw4)
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"And the reference is to her changing the subject, not getting her ass kicked. The mental reference between you and her still stands, as it is accurate. But she is improving, and you seem to be going the other way."
You homeschool don't you?
Posted by: actus at January 19, 2006 10:11 PM (TEHSD)
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actus
Homeschool - I did with my daughter - don't under-estimate it. Its a growing trend that in many cases now has nothing to do with ideology per se - but quality.
Posted by: hondo at January 19, 2006 10:23 PM (3aakz)
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Nope, my daughter goes to public school. Why would you think I homeschool? All three of my kids go to public school.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 19, 2006 10:30 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ
He's attempting to make a negative association, but its not a good one. More of a quick one-liner comeback.
actus isn't stupid. He himself would opt for homeschooling under the right conditions and situation and proper resources.
Posted by: hondo at January 19, 2006 10:48 PM (3aakz)
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hondo, I would not homeschool mainly because I don't have the time. I might consider sending my kids to a private school, but I live in a small town that just happens to have an excellent school system. Although we are small in numbers, we had students from our high school this past year receive full scholarships from prestigious schools such as Southern Cal and Harvard. We also had three Merit Scholar finalists in the class of 2005.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 19, 2006 10:59 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ - Good for you
I'm here in NYC - my daughter (blonde blue eyed) was a trophy for the color by numbers game. (I'm talking HS here).
I didn't have the financial resources of my very affluent liberal neighbors for private school (I live in DEM/GREEN country!) but I had the time and the perfect job for it.
It worked out pretty good. Its a growing option particularly among the afluent now - the Public Ed crowd quietly fears it more than charter schools.
Posted by: hondo at January 19, 2006 11:24 PM (3aakz)
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hondo,
Believe me when I say that I support home schooling. It is a wonderful option for people who are in a situation where their kids are being indoctrinated in public schools. And private schools can be very expensive, so yes, middle income parents should have the option to educate at home.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 20, 2006 05:20 AM (rUyw4)
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