September 09, 2005

"All your money are belong to us."

A couple of years ago I joined Classmates.com as a premium, or "gold" member, on a trial basis. I decided not to renew the second year, because it simply wasn't worth anything. I didn't get one iota of value out of it. Never successfully contacted anyone, and no one contacted me. Most of the schools I went to have their own alumni organizations that have proven very effective, so this commercial one just never had much value added. I gave it a try, and figured that was that.

Well, not quite. They have this automatic renewal option, but I set it to manual at the time. Apparently somewhere along the line my renewal switch was changed to "automatic" and even though I've assumed I was no longer a member they apparently managed to slip the fee past my radar for the second year. In fact, I didn't notice that they'd deducted a membership fee until a couple of days ago, when I was surprised to see the deduction of $39 for a third year listed on my bank account. I almost missed it this time too, had not my bank manager pointed it out to me. I'm starting to get pretty steamed. I'm having trouble paying for gas money as I work independent contracts to put food on the table, and these guys are stealthily ripping me off...
I want to make clear that since that first year was a "trial," as far as I was concerned, I made certain that my renewal authorization was not automatic, and I just assumed that it would stay that way. At any rate, after having found the charge for the third year barely a week after it was entered I immediately informed them of their mistake and requested a refund. I didn't request a refund for the previous year because I just figured "well, they got me on that one," and it would be sort of messy to point out that I had no idea I even was a member for a year.

Anyway, if some software glitch inadvertently had set my renewal to automatic and I noticed it only a week into the subscription year I figured any ethical company would surely acknowledge the mistake, and issue me an immediate refund--I mean, if their intentions were the least bit honorable. But instead these guys played "gotcha." They claimed that due to their "terms of service" clause I'm not due any refund even though I pointed out the unauthorized charge within a short time. Yeah, it's hard to prove that I set renewal to manual way back when. But if that weren't basically just a cash cow for a scam, wouldn't my word be good enough? Unless, of course, they know they aren't providing any actual value...

"Your money are belong to us," they say.

So basically they ripped me off for one additional year, and are set to rip me off for a third, all because somewhere along the line they set my renewal from manual to automatic. I mean, doesn't the fact that they're playing "gotcha" with my money sort of suggest that they're not quite the customer-friendly and helpful service they claim to be? It's not as though they've ever actually given me anything for that dough, mind you. They just managed to get a hook into it, like some Nigerian bank scam, or Kojo Annan's "real good thing" at the UN.

So, what think you? Do I have a right to expect a refund? How much? One, or two years? Pain and suffering? A free trip to the Carribean? A lifetime supply of Hennessy?

I know this will garner minimal interest, but here's my email reply to their "gotcha" note:

Dear Florence:

No that won't do. I did not authorize the payment, and I also never authorized changing my renewal to automatic in the first place. YOU DID THAT ON YOUR OWN. I don't know whether it was done inadvertently through some sort of software glitch, or deliberately, but if the latter that constitutes fraud. And I would add one more thing; since you're clearly reluctant to refund my money after being informed that I did not authorize the renewal barely a week after you extracted the it, it's reasonable to infer that you changed my renewal to automatic deliberately. Not proof, mind you, but a reasonable inference based on your lack of good faith. Seriously, you just figured I wouldn't notice, right? Especially since I haven't noticed before. I wonder how many others have been in this boat?

I simply don't authorize automatic renewals for this sort, and since I didn't regard Classmates as having provided any value I would not have renewed "manually." In addition, you claim below to have removed me from automatic renewal yourselves. The instant I discovered this sitution from my bank I changed that switch (back) to manual myself, so your claim to have made the change is simply disinformation, unless, in the mean time, you had changed my renewal back to automatic! I have informed you well within a reasonable period about "your mistake," and it would be only ethical good faith for you to refund my fee without the need for further action from my bank, or from me.

Besides informing my bank and making a formal complaint I intend to post the details of this situation on a "blog" that's currently among the top thirty in the country, with over 10,000 hits per day. I may be overestimating the impact of this "infant media" but it's at least possible that, by bringing this to the attention of those few people, we might add more than $39 to your cost of business. And if there are others out there who have been similarly hoodwinked perhaps we can perform some sort of public service.


Posted by: Demosophist at 11:52 AM | Comments (16) | Add Comment
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1 The same damn thing happened on Reunion.com. I never received a renewal notice and voila! I see a $36 charge on my statement for another year. I've already tried twice to get ahold of someone there to talk about refunding me because I no longer use Reunion, but to no avail.

Posted by: Macker at September 09, 2005 12:55 PM (2GH66)

2 I think the service is worth like maybe 20 cents a decade. I've noted they keep trying to get you to go gold via eamil and the price is always outrageous for doing nothing at all and keeps going up. I expect they will be gone in about 5 more years. Well maybe not if they take a page from the crooks and keep this up.

Posted by: Howie at September 09, 2005 01:11 PM (D3+20)

3 I signed up for a one-week free trial to Yahoo's music download service. For the free trial you have to register for the one-year payment, and they charge your card after the week is up. However, you have to cancel 24 hours before the week is up to prevent them from charging your card. I didn't know this and cancelled about 6 hours late. Some Googling got me the Yahoo Customer Service Phone number (it's harder to find than Amazon's.) But a few weeks of calls and escalations, and all I got was "it was in the terms of service." Bastards.

Posted by: ericj at September 09, 2005 01:12 PM (hrQvk)

4 I flamed em for ya to demosophist

Posted by: Howie at September 09, 2005 01:14 PM (D3+20)

5 Take the bast--ds to Small Claims Court. They will not show and you will get a default judgement. Costs next to nothing and you give them back the pain they are giving you. I know I am a mean spirited exJarhead. So what?! F--k em!

Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 09, 2005 01:27 PM (tplWd)

6 This is why I never sign up for these kinds of services. They aren't worth it and their cancellation policy sucks.

Posted by: Sgt Beavis at September 09, 2005 01:33 PM (XCqS+)

7 What about turning the tables on them, so to speak. You've "paid" for this year, so now you can (presumably) contact all of your former classmates, etc. I'd bet there are probably others of your classmates who've been screwed the same way, so...why not use Classmates.com to contact those classmates, find out whose in the same situation you're in, and band together. Strength in numbers. Threaten a class-action suit or something to that effect. I dunno, but there would be some sense of poetic justice in using the service they made you purchase against Classmates.com.

Posted by: Venom at September 09, 2005 01:55 PM (dbxVM)

8 $39????!!! Damn. They were offering $24 last I saw (I changed email addys and stopped getting mail from them, YAY). I wouldn't even pay the $24....

Posted by: caltechgirl at September 09, 2005 02:08 PM (4CXQ5)

9 Experiences such as this are the reasons that I donÂ’tÂ’: 1) join anything that requires money or a credit card up front for a "free" membership. 2) do anything via automatic payment except by credit card. They will fight for you, but most banks won't. This is the infamous billing model used by health clubs in which they only do automatic payments and they take forever to cancel. Try this one on for size: Before my son went into the military he got an offer for a reduced rate 3 month membership. I gave him a check for the full amount. After he left for the service, I started getting automatic billings for him via my checking account! I called them up and told them to pay back the money because they had no legal right to take money from my bank account, because I didn't sign anything to allow that. The people there had the gall to tell me that they legally could! In the end, I had the gall to send them a letter giving them 30 days to pay back the money or to have to see my attorney in court (I used words like forgery and fraud). Needless to say, I got my money back.

Posted by: Don Miguel at September 09, 2005 02:30 PM (+KixN)

10 Oooh they resonded to my flameHello Classmates Member, Thanks for contacting Classmates. We just wanted to let you know that we received your email and we will get back to you as soon as possible. You'll be hearing from us shortly. Have a great day! Classmates Member Care Team

Posted by: Howie at September 09, 2005 02:49 PM (D3+20)

11 I filed a complaint with my bank indicating that I had not given them authorization and that they'd sprung the "terms of service" krap on me. Stuff like this really makes me angry because it exploits "human capital" (trust) in ways the reduce the trust in the society, which ultimately costs all of us. They're free-riders, just the same as heavy polluters. They externalize their costs, and ultimately the only way to put a stop to it is to interfere significantly with their business model, as Jeff Jarvis did with Dell when he had his big fracas with that company. I'm an ex-political organizer, and I'd just love to clean this stuff up. The small claims thing is also a good idea. I can sue for considerably more than the $78 for two years of fees too. Can't recall what the max is, but it's probably $500 to %1000. I'd hesitate to use the alumni list through there site to do a mass email though, because it's essentially spam. But I could probably write a pretty good Op Ed for WaPo. Maybe they've even made some political contributions that I could expose, of the "moveon" variety. Unlikely, but you never know. I sort of like the idea of a years supply of Hennessy, actually. I'd hate to think what that might do to my liver, though. So far a year's supply is only about a quart.

Posted by: Demosophist at September 09, 2005 04:16 PM (cF5RX)

12 Considering the trivial things that have been judged worthy of class action suits lately, such as the Blockbuster late fees suit, which was total BS but went through anyway, it sounds like a good time to consult a schuyster.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 09, 2005 10:14 PM (0yYS2)

13 If the fee was billed to your credit card, call your credit card company and dispute the charge. It then becomes the biller's responsibility to justify to the credit card company that you authorized the charge.

Posted by: James at September 10, 2005 08:52 AM (yYT1t)

14 Thank god for class actions!

Posted by: actus at September 10, 2005 11:02 AM (y/f3P)

15 I once used reunion.com, but never as a gold member. The only one that works best for me is myspace.com. Myspace is completely free (has advertisements everywhere to prove it), and once you add whatever school's you used to attend, it shows up on your page, and it becomes easy as hell to search for anyone who went to your school, same graduating year, the works. It even has networking tabs for industries and companies. I'm not saying it is awesome because it can be very annoying. Oftentimes people put way too much crap on their profile and it takes forever to load, but it is good for contacting people i haven't seen in years (which i have done).

Posted by: Henry at September 10, 2005 12:22 PM (NdKxH)

16 You can't be 23357 serious?!?

Posted by: Max Ballstein at July 06, 2006 12:27 PM (ljcSZ)

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