May 31, 2005
Al Qaeda Lawyer: "My client was set up."
He must have been set up. There is no way in the world that a Muslim, a doctor, a family man, or a jazz musician could ever be a terrorist sympathizer.
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A lawyer for a jazz bassist from the Bronx who was charged in a terror case today claimed his client and a co-defendant arrested in Florida had been ensnared in a trap set by government investigators.Wow, this guy better get a new lawyer fast-like. Yes, Anthony, this was a sting operation. I think the word your looking for was entrapment. A sting operation is when the good guys set up the bad guys so that they're caught doing something bad. Entrapment is when the good guys put another good guy into the position that they have no choice but to do something bad. The former is a legitimate police tactic, the latter is not."It's a sting operation," Anthony Ricco, a lawyer for Tarik Shah, 42, told reporters after Shah appeared before a federal magistrate in Manhattan and was ordered held without bail.
Ricco noted that the investigation had been going on for two years. "It makes me wonder if somebody was a threat to our national security, why did it take two years?" Ricco said.Good question. Why didn't the Feds do something years ago about this scumbag?
Handcuffed during the proceeding, he at one point turned and smiled at his wife, Zakkiyyah, and a group of about a dozen other supporters in the courtroom.He smiled!! He must be innocent!!! Oh, and who were these supporters?
Among his supporters were other musicians who said they had often played with Shah.Sounds innocent enough, but then:
Outside of court in Florida, spokesman Dan McBride of the Islamic Center of Boca Raton defended Sabir as a man who frequently traveled between the United States and Saudi Arabia to earn enough money to support his wife and their two sons.Why is it the only time any one from a Mosque shows up it is to defend a terrorist?
And what kind of man is The Islamic Center of Boca Raton defending here?
An 18-page complaint unsealed Monday repeatedly described Shah's zest to train "brothers" for urban warfare. It alleged both men pledged their allegiance to al-Qaida during a May 20 meeting in the Bronx.Hard to argue with a videotape.Shah went with an informant to a windowless Long Island warehouse to see if the location would be adequate as a training site, unaware FBI agents were secretly videotaping the visit, the papers said.
Shah went with an informant to a windowless Long Island warehouse to see if the location would be adequate as a training site, unaware FBI agents were secretly videotaping the visit, the papers said.
He discussed a desire to open a machine shop to make weapons so fellow enthusiasts would not have to rely on anyone else to get guns, the complaint said.Once again we face a Muslim community that constantly complains about profiling and swears they are loyal Americans, yet when faced with one of their own conspiring against the US and its interests the only response is to defend the suspected terrorists."Shah indicated that his 'greatest cover has been' his career as a 'professional' jazz musician," wrote Brian Murphy, the FBI agent who prepared the complaint.
At one point, the informant told Shah he was going to take him to Plattsburgh, N.Y., to introduce him to an undercover FBI agent posing as a recruiter from the Middle East.
Murphy said Shah was eager to introduce Sabir -- a "very, very, very close friend" he had known for more than 20 years -- to the recruiter.
Shah also discussed a desire to start a martial arts school only for Muslims and said he hoped to be trained in chemicals, explosives, firearms, AK-47 assault rifles and hand grenades, the complaint said. The defendant allegedly discussed martyrdom with the informant, saying he and Sabir had been persecuted for many years.
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See???....this is a supposed "Muslim-American" who should be loyal to the country that adopted him to give him more freedoms than he ever enjoyed in the country of his birth and here he is wanting to destroy thre USA and as many of its citizens as he can and yet these idiot apologists actually want us to be respectfull ot their Muslim sensitivities....pleaseeeeeeeee...he sure as heck wasnt planning to be respectfull of mine or any other person in the US....he wasnt planning a pary thats for sure, with ballons and clowns and presents for us all....he wanted to MURDER American citizens and the FBI has the proof on that tape and yet somehow, idiot lawyers and fellow Muslims will say he is innocent and that Muslims are being persecuted...same old sick song they all sing and im tired of it...were are the so called moderate Muslims to back up the US goverment on this one and to say that this Muslim is wrong in what he is doing???....silence is all i hear from Muslims in this country....i dont even feel that they should even be considered American till they can prove themselves loyal to the US and productive and trusted American citizens...this is alot of bullshit....myself, my family ,and millions of other real American citizens have to worry about wacked out Muslims in the US trying to build guns,bombs and terrorist cells right in our own backyards now???...when does it stop???...when will President Bush and his people wake the hell up and do the number one job they have which is to keep the USA and its citizens safe???...i want and demand an answer and so do us ALL....enuff is enuff already
Posted by: THANOS35 at May 31, 2005 05:20 PM (b7uP2)
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If they were white and did this in Arkansas, they would be a militia! because they're Muslims in an Urban area they're labeled as terrorists?
I am not sure how much of a stretch this is? I do not see anything in there about conspiracy to kill or terrorize citizens?
Sounds like a task for the thought police.
Posted by: dave at May 31, 2005 05:21 PM (/r9Xb)
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How is conspiracy to aid al Qaeda terrorists not a crime?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at May 31, 2005 05:22 PM (JQjhA)
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Sir,
I see the words "alleged" in front of the "pledged their allegiance to Al-Qaida" unlike the solid evidence of the Video, and undercover FBI agents testimony this sounds like conjecture, possibly from a different (perhaps paid informant) source ?
I did not see any mention by the FBI/State that they were engaged in a plot to terrorize or kill which would change that status, no?
Posted by: dave at May 31, 2005 05:35 PM (/r9Xb)
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uhhh, dave???....you gotta be kidding me,wtf do you mean that he wasnt gonna terrorize anyone???...he was looking to build bombs and guns for his fellow Muslims terrorists in an empty unused warehouse...wtf do you think he was gonna do with those guns and bombs???....are you another friggin blind as sin Muslim terrorist apologist???....you gotta be cause only someone such as that would say something so friggin STUPID as youre comment....and if memory serves me correct, Timothy McVeigh was considered a terrorist, just a homegrown one is all....the militia is nothing but a bunch of knuckleheads running around in the woods pretending to be soldiers....once they cross that line, like McVeigh did, and actually commit mass murder and say that they want to bring down the US government, they become terrorists....nuff said
Posted by: THANOS35 at May 31, 2005 05:36 PM (b7uP2)
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Well Thanos, I have to say you appear to come to a conclusion before proving the equation, in your statement :
"build bombs and guns for his fellow Muslim TERRORISTS", as I said what makes these people different from a militia that claims to be preparing for the downfall of society? you also made the distinction between "running around the woods pretending to be soldier" and then saying they wish to "bring down the government" that is my only point, I am not a Muslim apologist -- my point is other than the fact they are men of middle eastern decent and are Muslims what makes this different? because of a statement of dubious veracity that they pledged allegiance to Al-Quada. Where is the distinction that they have crossed the line from gun nuts, to Terrorists?
Posted by: dave at May 31, 2005 05:56 PM (/r9Xb)
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Hmmmmmm?
Posted by: sparky at May 31, 2005 06:09 PM (F1nba)
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Dave
In your opinion what qualifies as a terrorist?
Posted by: sparky at May 31, 2005 06:27 PM (F1nba)
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Sir,
While I see your summary of "more likely than not" that is not the standard on which they will be prosecuted, which is a much higher standard.
Your statement relies on the fact that "someone" alleged that the group pledged their allegement to Al-Qaeda - that neither appears to be made on Video tape, nor does it seem to be a quote from a Federal agent involved in the case (hence the words "alleged" in front of the statement) may I remind you that in any statement to the Police I can likewise allege you are involved in an Al-Qaeda cell. It does not make that statement truthful.
Posted by: dave at May 31, 2005 06:36 PM (/r9Xb)
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>>>"If they were white and did this in Arkansas, they would be a militia!"
If they were white guys from Arkansas, Libs would want them jailed for life.
Posted by: Carlos at May 31, 2005 06:36 PM (8e/V4)
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see, youre wrong there Dave....the FBI has tape with these men on it saying the things they did to support the facts that they were planning something illegal....where by you just saying, oh yea, officer, that man is a terrorist....thats just hearsay....do you have tape of me doing something illegal,do you have pictures of me doing something illegal, did an FBI agent actaully hear me say something that i was planning to do that is illegal????...no.....how much more proof do you need,SIR???...would you rather have them actaully blow something/someone up or shoot an entire store up with all the shoppers inside before you have enough proof SIR, of their intent???...if you say yes to that, than as far as im concerned, youre as sick in the head as these Muslims who wish with all their hearts to kill everone single American.....nuff said
Posted by: THANOS35 at May 31, 2005 06:54 PM (b7uP2)
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let me first start out by saying that I agree with most of the statements here about the dangers of the spread of radical Islam. What I am questioning however, is the difference under the 1st Amendment which makes the difference between "thought" and "true threats" this is what I was questioning when I asked about a specific plot to injure, or kill citizens which would move it from a "milita" to a cell.
Preparing for Urban warfare is evidently not a crime, due to the amount of American militias that go unchecked, they must have not acquired the Firearms they were wishing to obtain, otherwise I believe the AFT would have been involved. The idealism of a Muslim only Karate club isn't illegal either. So it appears that the whole case hinges on INTENT to obtain weapons, and train for combat, and is then coupled with the questionable statement they swore allegence to Al-Qaeda, as you have stated about hearsay, without a reliable source to that statement, this likewise is hearsay, only supported by the facts that the men are of Middle eastern descent and are Muslims. Do I say wait till they commit violence until we arrest them? no. however I would like to know they specifically had a plan in mind to do harm, that would move it from a "thought" to an "action".
Posted by: dave at May 31, 2005 07:12 PM (/r9Xb)
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Rusty,
You might want to change your link at the top from Newsweek to "Newsday".
Dave,
The Feds apparently feel they have enough to go ahead with and talking about setting up a machine shop to supply weapons sure sounds like a "plan" to me.
Posted by: Oyster at May 31, 2005 08:19 PM (YudAC)
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Hi Oyster,
The FBI also smeared Dr. Hafill, and Richard Jewell during their investigations without apology.
Posted by: dave at May 31, 2005 08:35 PM (/r9Xb)
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Dave, our system isn't perfect, but it's the best. There have been many instances whereby a person was dragged through the courts, found guilty and served time before their innocence was proven. I won't speak for these cases you mention because I don't know enough about them, but in other cases, due dilligence was followed and even though they were innocent they were found guilty. So many times there was no malice, just a desire to get to the truth and if no laws were broken in the process then an apology is really kind of empty rhetoric. Somehow I don't think an apology will satisfy them. If they find that laws were broken in order to prosecute then they have recourse to go to trial and counter-sue to get whatever reparations they think they deserve. Our courts work both ways.
Posted by: Oyster at June 01, 2005 07:17 AM (YudAC)
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these guys aren't arabic or of middle-eastern descent. These are black muslims- african americans- like Malcom X. Check the bow tie on the lawyer- I bet he is a member of NOI- Nation of Islam. There is a wide, national network of millions of american muslims that are growing closer and closer to signing up with AQ as the blatant war on islam abroad continues, and the war against blacks and browns at home continues. OBL already knows he can recruit and tap into these disenfranchised communities in the us- blacks, latinos, asians, even whites like Johnny Walker. The prison population in the us is one of the highest in the world- filled with people embittered by this system, many converting to islam- this is ground zero for recruiting. Once these folk hit the streets it's on. In urban areas of the east coast, where I live, it is common in my neighborhood to see black muslim women wearing a burkha like garment- everything covered except the eyes. You can best believe there is something going on, simmering beneath the surface waiting to reveal itself. There is a big difference between people who talk and those who actually are doing. It seems that the homeland security is busy with talkers, while the doers continue to do their thing. I don't think this will be the last we hear of this kind of thing. There will be more to come and before long homeland security be coming after you for your thought crimes.
Posted by: incarcerated scarface at June 01, 2005 09:04 AM (h0FT+)
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Scarface: The best weapon we have is knowledge. I think the media does us a favor in many regards as they do tend to lean left and are suspicious of everything our government does. I get a little upset when they don't balance it out with more "truth", but believe you me, I listen and wait. Suspicion is good, but let's use that knowledge given us and learn what is BS and what is cause for alarm. I'm suspicious of those who buy into every single conspiracy regarding "thought police". Conspiracy works both ways. Some would have us all believe that our government is conspiring against us and others would have us believe that our government is being conspired against. I think it's a little of both. We'll know where to draw the line when we come to it, item by item.
Posted by: Oyster at June 01, 2005 09:47 AM (fl6E1)
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scarface,
the dude is the son of a Malcolm X protege. He boasted that being a musician is "great cover", and that he could smile at someone and then slit their throats with no problem:
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/47475.htm
Libs defend this guy.
Posted by: Carlos at June 01, 2005 10:43 AM (8e/V4)
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Odd about him being a jazz musician, with that genre of music at one time being regarded as so decadent and sexually-motivated. Not something one usually associated with the straight-laced image Islam likes to portray.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 02, 2005 07:33 AM (x+5JB)
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I personally know brother Tarik Shah. He's like a Muslim Steven Segal. He's very dangerous in hand to hand combat and edged weapons but calling him a terrorist is a big stretch. The guy is in his 40s. If he was going to committ a terrorist act, he would've done so by now. While he has the potential to be a terrorist, I know personally he's more talk than action. What the FBI did to him was entrapment. Ten more years could go by and he'd still be saying he trains brothers for Jihad with nothing ever coming of it. Trust me.
Posted by: ne0aes0p at June 07, 2005 02:41 PM (NZ502)
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Have any of you ever been involved in a police investigation? Ok, now have any of you ever been involved in an FBI investigation. If history and experience is any indicator we can assume that a good 75% of what is said before and indictment is bullshit. "Jazz musician as just a cover"?? BULLSHIT. Becoming a jazz musician isn't a matter of picking up an instrument and learning the notes, it's a life long evolution and it's incredibly fucking difficult. To get to the point where you're doing session work as a bassist(as Shah was) you've generally got 20 years of playing behind you, 4 to 8 years of university study, and a wealth of musical knowledge that most symphony musicians don't even have. This entire thing, to me, reeeeeeks of BS.
The fact that they spun the jazz musician thing that way should have you all questioning everything else they stated. Another relevant fact not mentioned above is that the undercover agent was NOT an FBI agent, but a criminal working on a plea agreement. They have also tried to paint him as a 'deadbeat dad'(this is from the FBI report) even though a recent interview with his wife has her praising him as a good father and provider. Hell, they even cast his entrepreneurial enthusiasm in a bad light(yeah uhm, did anybody actually read the FBI documents? They're public...no pictures though so maybe you can find it in audiobook format if you look around).
He wanted to teach hand-to-hand combat to Muslims. So. Fucking. What. I think it's sad and incredibly scary that you guys are just going to sit back and nod your heads while your government charges people with "WILLINGNESS" to do anything. His doctor friend, by the way, is being charged with WILLINGNESS to treat insurgents in S.A. Is a doctor not morally bound to treat anyone who is in need of medical attention?
Entrapment is when you're led to do a crime that you wouldn't have otherwise commited. These guys didn't even do that.. they simply stated their WILLINGNESS to do something that clashes with blindly two-faced american ideals. How many of you have never said "I'd like to kick the shit out of that guy" who stole your girl or dented your car. Well, you had better accept the possibility of going to jail for WILLINGNESS to commit an act of violence if you're going to accept what the FBI is dealing to this poor dude.
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