The display remained intact Friday, Veterans Day, despite a threat by at least one of the protesters to return later to finish yanking up the flags.
The display of 2,000 white flags, meant to remember U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, was set up at Veterans Memorial Park cemetery Oct. 30 under a permit issued to Waterville Area Bridges for Peace and Justice.
Members of the local Veterans of Foreign Wars post complained, saying they wanted the flags removed before Veterans Day. The permit allows the flags to remain in place until the first snowfall.
On Thursday, about 10 people went to the cemetery and, under the glare of television camera lights, some began removing the flags as eight peace group members and sympathizers gathered nearby. Police moved in quickly to make the arrests.
Wayne Elkins, the VFW commander who led the protesters and was among those detained, said he had no problem with the peace group, as long as it stays out of the cemetery.
"They desecrated our veterans' grounds. If they want to protest, let them protest. We don't mind. But to desecrate hallowed ground is wrong," he said.
Waterville Maine must now be reasoned part of the "euro-zone". Too bad the vets weren't waiting for the "activists" as I'm sure they could have shown those clymers a more appropriate place to stick the white flags.
Elkins, who served for a year in Vietnam and is station commander of Waterville's Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 1285, said he had heard rumors that if the city didn't order Waterville Area Bridges for Peace and Justice to remove the flags before Veterans Day on Friday, veterans might take on the task themselves.
Nonetheless the disgraceful motives of WABFPJ remain the same. It's an oft used attempt by "activists" to promote their pacifist propaganda by exploiting our brave guys and the ultimate sacrifice they made. Does anyone think for one minute that these valiant men who lost their lives to protect us all would appreciate these puny minded zit farmers sticking white flags in a place specifically designated for their honor.
The VFW guys know what their fallen comrades would think and so do we. Put your damned white flags up, in your front yard, in the town square for all anyone cares but keep them the hell away from those venerable patches of ground we have chosen to remember the self sacrifice, courage and heroism of the best this great country has to offer.
Posted by: hondo at November 11, 2005 03:47 PM (Jvmry)
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How in God's name did any group get a "permit" to use a Veterans Cemetery for a clearly partisan political purpose?Desecration is the wrong word - pimping sounds much better.
Looking for more information - SF Gate only thing available right now (figures).
Posted by: hondo at November 11, 2005 05:11 PM (Jvmry)
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That was my first thought when I read the article. Considering Maine is the state that produced such stellar legislative minds as Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins one probably shouldn't be suprised.
Posted by: traderrob at November 11, 2005 06:17 PM (3al54)
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That's simply f*cked up.
These people who do that crap need their asses removed.
The VFW guys get an attaboy!
Posted by: Dick at November 11, 2005 06:43 PM (XlQVK)
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I hold an annual event on Flag Day, "Pause For The Pledge-Flag Day" and the highlight of the event is when our small local group from the VFW marches into Veterans Park where we have several flags and a civil war cannon. It would be extremely difficult to find better people than those in the VFW, and for them to be treated this way is beyond disgusting, it is sinful, and the people responsible for this should be punished in Muslim-towelhead fashion .
Posted by: Steve Sharon at November 11, 2005 09:42 PM (jpm21)
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I will smile every time I hoist a liberal piece of shit on a light pole. I wish they would get on with their damned revolution.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 11, 2005 11:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Imp: I assume you missed gregs comment to satisfy your wife if you pay him $100?
on the ACLU thread:
http://blog.mu.nu/cgi/splorp.cgi?entry_id=132671
Posted by: dave at November 12, 2005 12:39 PM (CcXvt)
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Veteran's Cemetarys are federal peoperty. Does anyone know which federal judge allowed a partisan display on federal property??
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 12, 2005 12:43 PM (WOQ34)
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Heres a separate article on this....
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15557963&BRD=1395&PAG=740&dept_id=226967&rfi=6.
It appears from this article that the city council could have "revoked" the permit leading one to believe that they are the ones who issued it. Would like to know how city govt. can decide issues of Federal jurisdiction.
Posted by: traderrob at November 12, 2005 01:11 PM (3al54)
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Right wing propoganda. The park is not a cemetery. It is city owned. The memorial was set up weeks ago and recieved little attention until the VFW guys contacted the police chief, the mayor and the media to let them know they were going to violate the law.
See a factual account of this story here:
www.conservativefighter.blogspot.com
Posted by: Steve at November 12, 2005 03:40 PM (C2sHh)
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A factual account at that sight, you're being sarcastic....right?
Posted by: traderrob at November 12, 2005 04:00 PM (3al54)
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remembering the iraq war deda == desecration.
War does make people insane.
Posted by: actus at November 12, 2005 04:08 PM (CqheE)
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So basically moonbats have equated "peace" with surrender, and they've used a veteran's cemetary to fly their surrender flags-- on Veteran's Day.
I simply don't have the words to describe the utterly complete loathing I have for the Left. I truly hope they start their little revolution so we can finally put our 2nd ammendment rights to good use.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 12, 2005 04:12 PM (UWO6N)
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Improbulus Maximus:"I will smile every time I hoist a liberal piece of shit on a light pole. I wish they would get on with their damned revolution."
Do you know what the expression 'one trick pony' means?
Posted by: actus at November 12, 2005 05:03 PM (CqheE)
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Unfortunately, those Leftwits had a permit.
The Vets should have gotten their own permit, and placed taller AMERICAN FLAGS right in front of each and every one of those white flags of surrender.
Posted by: Ariya at November 12, 2005 05:38 PM (noCGr)
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Hey actus, do you know what "fuck you, you liberal piece of shit" means? I repeat the truth so that others may see it. Liberals must all be killed before this nation can be set on the road to recovery. When the time comes, I hope you are dragged from you car and set on fire in the street. I'm only sorry that you don't live close enough to me for it to be me who does it. Go ahead and start your little revolution. I fucking dare you.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 12, 2005 09:12 PM (0yYS2)
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The flags were lawfully placed in the park. The members of the VFW disgraced the memory of the fallen 2000 when they began ripping down flags. Do you recall all the talk of "the rule of law"?
Had the VFW placed flags at the memorial park, no one would have minded.
Quit sher bitchin. And what's all this talk of revolution? The FBI is going to start rounding you crazies up.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 12, 2005 09:55 PM (eYI8D)
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There is a large and snowballing group of physicists and other academicians that are questioning the 9-11 fairy tale. The latest is a Professor Steven E. Jones from BYU.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/37124.htm
In the fall of 2006, Elsevier Science, one of the most prestigious publishers of scholarly articles and books, will publish a book on the anomalies surrounding 9-11 written by 12 renowned scholars. Dr. David Griffin and his group will also publish on the subject in the summer of 2006.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 12, 2005 10:38 PM (eYI8D)
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Hey greg, you are a lowlife, cocksucking, child molesting piece of shit. Shut the fuck up. Nobody here reads your shit or cares about it. You are, at absolute best, as insignificant as a person can be while still alive. Your life is meaningless, hopeless, and pathetic, and the sooner you eat a bullet, the better off the world will be. Why don't you just kill yourself, eh? If you really are so concerned with the future, do something to make it better and take one for the team. Just make sure to go out in the woods so you don't make a mess in your mom's basement. Oh, and clean up the kiddie porn before you leave, so that when the cops search the basement, you don't embarrass the poor woman any more than necessary.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 12, 2005 11:50 PM (0yYS2)
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Ooooh!
Poor little Impy. He's a disabled vet. He's fucked up in the brain from depleted uranium and all those trophy photos he took in the first Gulf War. Now he lives on the gubmint cheese and by photographing the occasional wedding in Knoxville. So, so sad.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 13, 2005 12:35 AM (eYI8D)
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'. Liberals must all be killed before this nation can be set on the road to recovery. When the time comes, I hope you are dragged from you car and set on fire in the street.'
yadda yadda yadda. This is all i hear from you. big dude. big man. tell me about how the right has the guns and the know how. Come on. tell me like I haven't heard it before.
'Go ahead and start your little revolution. I fucking dare you.'
My revolution? I seems to me that you're the one that's more invested in it than anyone else around.
Posted by: actus at November 13, 2005 01:27 AM (Zi15r)
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It appears to me, after reading two of the articles (Boston.com and S FGate.com), that there has been no love lost between the two groups for some time. I understand the VFW group's anger, but if the other group had a permit, they were within the law.
However, I also took into account the signs that were erected along with the flags and the comments made by the peace group to the press. They eventually took down one sign. After a long period of confrontation between the two groups, they particularly chose the "Veteran's" park? Then they made the condescending remarks that they were "simply" trying to commemorate the deaths and really, honestly and truly didn't think they would hurt anyone's feelings? I believe they are sincere in their sorrow for the deaths, but their comments regarding the VFW group were disingenuous.
It's really a matter of philosophical differences whereby one group used the rule of law to get their digs in against the other. And
therein, I believe, lies the rub.
Posted by: Oyster at November 13, 2005 05:26 AM (YudAC)
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If all these damn liberals are so concerned about the rule of law then I make two suggestions:
1. All people who have leaked classified information at the CIA should be punished to the full extent of the law.
2. All immigration laws should be enforced to the fullest extent, including in the cities of LA and NYC.
Ghost boy, I'm back! Even though, according to you, I'd only been here a week. Lying sack of shit that you are!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 13, 2005 09:10 AM (rUyw4)
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Greg:
So this Dr. Jones of yours, you believe everything he says?
Here's his paper entitled:
"Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America"
http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext and figures.htm
Here's is other upon "applying scientific methods of study to the gospel of Jesus Christ"
http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/taitpaper.r491.htm
Did you forget to mention Greg, this professor of yours is a Mormon, who disagree's with both the Bible, and Evolution? I bet you thought quoting his PhD. was going to extend his credibility here right? except most people already know that their are a lot of "Nutty Professors" teaching in campus.
Posted by: dave at November 13, 2005 10:45 AM (CcXvt)
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Dave,
With respect to the "nutty Professor Jones" and Greg, well, " birds of a feather flock together".
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 13, 2005 11:56 AM (rUyw4)
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The point is, it's not just one "nutty professor". There is a growing army of them. And the fact that Dr. Paul Zarembka's group will be publishing in Elseveir Science, positions the 9-11 discussion prominently in the academic arena.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 13, 2005 12:27 PM (eYI8D)
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And Dave,
The fact that Dr. Jones is Christian, makes it even more remarkable that he would conclude that the Twin Towers were "pulled" on 9-11.
Bush's legacy will be that of a criminal who allowed the attack on 9-11 inorder to further his political agenda and put us firmly under the gubmint yoke.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 13, 2005 12:35 PM (eYI8D)
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oyster
It's a memorial park and not a cemetery - is that correct? Unable to get any followup info on this. Can't link from here nor C&P for some reason.
If so - then as I said desecration is in fact the wrong word - and pimping is more appropriate.
I wasn't aware state/local dedicated memorial sites in some localities were available space for advertising (paid or by permit). It raises a lot of possiblitites for revenue sources.
Say like here in NY at the proposed WTC Memorial we could include like billboard advertisements for say Insurance companies, Jewelery (Diamonds are Forever - Buildings Not), Media outlets (we're on the scene when it happens - for you) - stuff like that.
Could also include political and quasi- pol stuff like "support Proposition 1, Vote for Whoever, etc. etc.
the possibilities are endless.
The judge and local pols in Maine clearly didn't want to figth this and/or supported the sentiment involved. Yes, pimping is more appropriate.
Sometimes you can't fight stuff like this so just join in. Find some memorials the lib/left does care about and inquire about the space.
Posted by: hondo at November 13, 2005 01:34 PM (Jvmry)
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Greg,
Christian? did you even read my post? He's a Mormon, less of course you think Christians believe that Jesus Christ spent time in America with the native americans?
Note his papers name: "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America"
You know greg, you obviously let your hatred for Bush, and America get in the way of your comprehension skills, as long as something is Anti-American, or Bush you jump on board without reading it, it's no wonder you guys make yourself look like idiots all the time.
Posted by: dave at November 13, 2005 01:48 PM (CcXvt)
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ah ghost ...
You see - if myself or anyone else here actually believed crap like that then we would 1) take direct physical action against those responsible or 2} keep our mouths shut out of fear and terror or 3) flee the country.
You on the otherhand - blog. Quite safely I might add. That's what makes you so comically absurb.
Interesting - Johnson & his kind imply direct involvement (you obviously suport), then you followup with indirect inaction allowing ... these are actually two different things. Make up your mind.
I am however a trained observer - had the best seat in the house - on the bow at berth on my SV at Port Liberty JC with 10x25 in hand - it was a very busy day.
for Dr Rusty if interested - I have the only unpublished air recon shoots of the immediate scene courtesy USACE and USA Blackhawk - airspace was immediately closed except to Gov Agencies.
Posted by: hondo at November 13, 2005 02:00 PM (Jvmry)
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Lets be clear - Johnson is a NUT - being a Mormom is irrelevant. I like Mormoms - yeah, they are kinda weird but nice people and good conservatives.
Posted by: hondo at November 13, 2005 02:05 PM (Jvmry)
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So rectus, what do you want to hear; that you idiot libtards have painted yourselves into a corner? Because that's what you've done. You have alienated your countrymen and taken sides with the enemies of your nation, who will assuredly show you far less mercy than you shall receive from us when the day of reckoning comes. No matter which side ultimately prevails, you are all screwed. Your islamofascist masters will make eunuchs of you and use you like women, unless they just decide to kill you, either of which is better than you deserve. No, wait, that's wrong. You're already a bunch of eunuchs, and you apparently don't mind being used like women, so you should enjoy your dhimmitude. In that case, you'd better hope the muslims win, because you'll live longer with them as your masters.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 13, 2005 03:04 PM (0yYS2)
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"So rectus, what do you want to hear"
From you? nothing. I mean, I'm getting tired of all these empty promises of retribution.
Posted by: actus at November 13, 2005 03:45 PM (CqheE)
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ah, Hondo,
The man's name is like uh Jones, not, uh errr Johnson.
uh, "absurb"? What does that mean? Something about the Serbians maybe?
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 13, 2005 05:26 PM (eYI8D)
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a little joke remain little
Posted by: hondo at November 13, 2005 06:04 PM (Jvmry)
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hondo, I have no idea whether it's a park or a cemetary. Maybe both. Every news account says something different. What ever happened to just reporting facts rather than incorporating a slant or excluding certain details? Was it at a cemetery? Did there happen to be a cemetery nearby? Who friggin knows?
Posted by: Oyster at November 13, 2005 06:47 PM (YudAC)
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http://www.magnuminmotion.com/bitterfruit/player.html
Posted by: Route Irish at November 13, 2005 06:50 PM (Eh9tH)
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route Irish
1) not linked 2) can't highlight C&P with this board 3) nobody with a mouse is going to waste time keyboarding your usually long strings (this one's shorter but screw you anyway)
If your getting more than 2 cents per spam then your being grossly overpaid! You have got to be the dumbest freakin' spammer in creation - and I don't even know your politics!
Posted by: hondo at November 13, 2005 09:07 PM (Jvmry)
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hondo ... click on my name
Posted by: Route Irish at November 13, 2005 09:08 PM (Eh9tH)
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oyster
Sounds like a park - municipal memorial. Fed cemetery or any cemetery would have caused a truly explosive reaction.
Probably a gray area where weak-kneed judge and local pols could easily compromise in anticipation of little local opposition. Still waiting for more info.
Posted by: hondo at November 13, 2005 09:13 PM (Jvmry)
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Route Irish
Testing you for a reaction - test complete - you post and you do watch.
EVERYONE NOTE THE FOLLOWING:
RI links his pieces to his handle
most are standard pages (politics aside)
others ARE interactive loads like above using flash, Quick or other type formats
THESE CAN ALSO FUNCTION AS SELF-EXECUTING FILES ... useful also for spyware/adware/viruses/worms etc.
This can be very dangerous and should be equaled to opening attachments on unknown email.
RI may be more than just a spammer - he could well be a backdoor hacking troll - open blogs are new fertile ground for his kind since email protections get better and better.
EVERYONE IS FOREWARNED
Posted by: hondo at November 13, 2005 09:29 PM (Jvmry)
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Okay rectus, just give me your address and I'll gladly come to you and show you the error of your ways. I offered to meet greg in Memphis back in May, but traffic must have delayed him, because he never showed. You are all gutless, chickenshit cowards, and there is not a death painful enough for you, though I'm sure something can be arranged. I would offer to take your balls, but that's a moot point since you don't have any. Isn't it time for you to head down to the mosque and fellate your masters?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 13, 2005 10:56 PM (0yYS2)
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gimmeabushbreakhondo.thewarisalie.andyouknowit!
Posted by: Route Irish at November 13, 2005 10:57 PM (Eh9tH)
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what are you really trolling for RI
being provocative is an effective tool to lure people to sites unknowingly opening them up to the above
email is less and less effective - the phishing approach is playing itself out
so now its open blogs
Posted by: hondo at November 13, 2005 11:39 PM (Jvmry)
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I hadn't thought about the possibility that RI could be a "backdoor hacking troll", but I guess it's just as possible as simply being a mindless mouth-piece.
Why would Route Irish ever speak (or type) an original word? It's far too easy to provide links to the thoughts and opinions of others when one cannot think or speak for themselves. When ever any of us relays our own personal opinions through dialog we're called "sheeple" and accused of "lockstepping". I'd say we have a clear case of someone with an inability to think for one's self in Route Irish. A perceptible lack of individuality, communication skills and critical thinking skills. A "sheeple", if you will.
Pretty much everyone here, posters and commenters alike, are pretty unique individuals. I can almost always read the first three lines of any post or comment (without scrolling down to see who it is) and guess who is writing.
Being individuals and using actual dialog for the transfer of ideas is what makes the blogosphere so great. Offering multitudes of links to speak "for" us is not dialog. Links to sources are a tool to further dialog, not the where all and end all. And certainly not the final word.
Posted by: Oyster at November 14, 2005 10:38 AM (fl6E1)
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"Okay rectus, just give me your address and I'll gladly come to you and show you the error of your ways. "
Its me you want? I thought all leftists would do. Well I spend most of my time at school, at 20th and H st, NW, in DC.
Posted by: actus at November 15, 2005 09:00 AM (CqheE)
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Would that be in de ghetto?
Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2005 02:19 PM (ZaAd/)
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"Would that be in de ghetto?"
Would be a nice ghetto to be 3 blocks from the white house.
Posted by: actus at November 15, 2005 03:04 PM (CqheE)
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Rooster is a Katrina refugee, hungrily lapping up the gubmint cheese.
How's that new computer, Dick A.?
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 15, 2005 07:24 PM (eYI8D)
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Sounds like the little desecration was on the up and up. No blood no foul.
1) How does beleiving that the Ressurected Christ came to the Americas and taught his people there make this guy (Dr. Jones) not a Christian?
2) How does his religious affiliation make him not a scientist?
Posted by: Iancook at November 15, 2005 07:29 PM (z9Tri)
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