May 04, 2005

Terry Schiavo Awakens From Persistent Vegetative State, No Explanation

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Nearly 10 years after a brain injury left a firefighter virtually mute, he suddenly started talking to his wife and sons last weekend. A couple of years ago, it happened with a severely injured car accident victim who'd spent 19 years in silence.

And before that, a paralyzed policeman whose brain had been damaged in a shooting suddenly regained his speech after eight years.

And now, Terri Schiavo has suddently sprung back to vibrancy. Experts had claimed that the probability of Schiavo's recovery from a constant vegetative state were about as low as her chances of recovering from her state induced death.
Normally, brain-injured patients who get better do so within the first five years, especially in the first two years, and usually the change is gradual.

So what's the explanation for these reports of long-delayed, sudden improvement?

"We really don't know for sure what's going on," says Anthony Stringer, director of neuropsychology in the department of rehabilitation medicine at the Emory University School of Medicine.

While the answer might involve some long-delayed change in the brain, experts said Tuesday, a sudden improvement might also result from a far different cause, like a change in medications or treatment of some other medical condition that's been suppressing mental function.

Terri Schiavo had been denied medical attention at the request of her husband, Michael Schiavo, making her recovery even more baffling. Her parents had begged for years that Terri receive alternative therapies, but neither Michael nor the courts would give in to their pleas.

Experts say such cases are so rare they don't have much to study, and note that news accounts usually leave out the details needed to evaluate possible causes.

The latest case involves firefighter Donald Herbert, 43, who has lived at a nursing home in suburban Buffalo, for more than seven years.

In December 1995, the roof of a burning home collapsed on him. He went without oxygen for several minutes before he was rescued, and he ended up blind with little, if any, memory. He was largely mute and showed little awareness of his surroundings.

But last Saturday, he suddenly asked for his wife, Linda. And over the next 14 hours, until he fell asleep early Sunday morning, he chatted with her, his four sons and other family and friends, catching up on what he'd missed.

"How long have I been away?" Herbert had asked.

"We told him almost 10 years," said his uncle, Simon Manka. "He thought it was only three months."

A steady stream of visitors arrived at the Father Baker Manor nursing home in Orchard Park to see the fireman, whose plight had been a major local news story when the fire and accident happened.

Herbert's sons were 14, 13, 11 and 3 when he was injured.

Staff members at the nursing facility recognized the change in Herbert, Manka said, when they heard him speaking and "making specific requests."

"The word of the day was `amazing,'" he said.

The nursing home and the family have declined to describe his condition since then or discuss medical details of the case.

Ms. Schiavo's recovery was equally shocking, especially given the fact that she was pronounced dead by the Broward County coroner's office.

An eyewitness to the miraculous recovery said that Terri was, "a bit confused, but generally optimistic."

The eyewitness reported her first words as, "Somebody help me. Please! Yes I understand you but I can't move my lips. Oh God, I'm so thirsty. Mommy, please don't let them kill me."

After a few minutes Terri realized that her faculties had returned and asked to see her mother and father. She is now being interviewed by law enforcement officers and the Florida State Police have named Michael Schiavo as a 'person of interest' in a newly opened attempted murder investigation.

Michael Schiavo's attorney declined to comment.

There have been a few other widely publicized examples of brain-damaged patients showing sudden improvement after a number of years. In 2003, an Arkansas man, severely disabled and largely silent for 19 years after a car accident, stunned his mother by saying "Mom" and then asking for a Pepsi. His brain function remained limited, his family said months later.

And Tennessee police officer Gary Dockery, left paralyzed and mute after a 1988 shooting, began speaking to his family one day in 1996, telling jokes and recounting annual winter camping trips. But after 18 hours, he never repeated the unbridled conversation of that day, though he remained more alert than he had been. He died the following year of a blood clot on his lung.

None of these people were in a "persistent vegetative state" like Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman whose feeding-tube case raised anguished end-of-life ethical discussions.

So what might explain long-delayed, sudden recoveries from brain injury?

One possibility is that the brain may have been impaired not just by the injury, but by some other condition, such as an infection or unrecognized seizure. When that other condition is treated or removed, the person's mental status improves, even though the effect of the brain injury itself is unchanged.

"Something is holding them down further" than the brain injury itself does, said Dr. Ross Zafonte, chair of the department of physical medicine and rehabilitation at the University of Pittsburgh.

For example, some people have longstanding but subtle seizures after a head injury that can induce confusion, and when they are treated, "Boom, people get better," said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth University. "I've seen that happen."

Liver disease, lung problems, anemia, infections and diabetes can also contribute to neurological problems, he said. So can side effects from certain drugs, and so a change in medication might bring about a sharp improvement in mental status, he said.

"I'm not saying that's the case here (with the firefighter)," he said, "but these are the kinds of details we would need to know in order to properly interpret what happened."

Dr. Jack Parent, an assistant neurology professor at the University of Michigan Medical School, agreed that medication side effects and chronic conditions might suppress mental function for a long time. But he also said scientists have only in recent years come to appreciate how much potential the brain has for self-repair.

If a person's motivation is hampered, he said, "you could look a lot more impaired than your brain actually is." So maybe if neuronal circuitry that lets a person tap the brain's motivational centers was damaged and then gets fixed, that might produce a sudden improvement, he said.

But why that would finally occur so long after brain injury, he said, is a mystery.

Sources: AP reports and Jawa Report correspondent Young Bourbon Professional.

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1 I heard he went back under. QUICK, STARVE HIM TO DEATH!! PULL OUT THE TUBES, HE ISNT FIT TO LIVE.

Posted by: OB SNOOKS at May 04, 2005 11:06 AM (yBHNA)

2 Anybody know what the difference is between a blunt trauma brain injury and an oxygen deprivation brain injury? Is there a difference?

Posted by: AB at May 04, 2005 11:10 AM (rP4OC)

3 There is a huge difference between a injury (fireman, policeman) and sodium imbalance neurological damage (Shiavo). The brain isn't as hardwired as scientists used to believe...thus injuries are easy to recover from compared to massive damage from sodium imbalances on a cellular level, like Shiavo's eating disorder caused. As far as I heard, this fireman had garbled speech and didn't have memory prior to 'waking'...again another huge difference between him and Shiavo. Personally, I don't take sides in these issues: I think they are a family matter. I don't claim to know the full facts on any of these cases and I think anyone becoming overly opinionated about it is just proving their ignorance. From a non-right wing or non-left wing perspective it's seems odd: I see people in here who support war talking about how precious life is. Is this a double standard? Can anyone truly justify taking a life no matter what the circumstances? I'm sure many would argue about spreading democracy, ridding the world of terrorism, fighting evil, etc...but in the end killing is just killing. Right and wrong are a point of view. Same with religion. If everyone's point of view is the end all, then we live in the insane asylum for souls.

Posted by: babler, inc. at May 04, 2005 11:27 AM (FogDg)

4 "Right and wrong are a point of view" Men deep inside know one from the other.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 04, 2005 11:48 AM (x+5JB)

5 I was not successful in killing this latest burden to society and IÂ’m just sick about it. With this Scheivo woman, I was able to make great use of her whore of a husband who fathered kids like an NBA basketball player. He sprinkled his seed around Florida like Shawn fucking Kemp. It was no problem to have this bed hopping man slut request, no demand that I put his first wife to death. Wedding vows? Ha ha ha, this guy broke his vows to his first wife, then his to his home wrecking mistress when he promised to pull out before letting his mojo jump ship into her yammy. I worked long and hard to get the wife of this firefighter to demand we starve her husband to death. I asked my friend Barney Frank and Henry Waxman to go on Meet the Press to demand we stop wasting strained peas and vitamin water on this guy. I can always count on these two to stand with me on the need to kill kids and FHPÂ’s...thatÂ’s Fucking Helpless People HA, HA, HA... woooh, I better take my hand off my joint, this is getting exciting! Both were willing, but we could not get them face time on CNN before smokey woke up. I canÂ’t get no satisfactionÂ…but IÂ’ll keep tryin

Posted by: Judge Greer at May 04, 2005 12:01 PM (aUEhc)

6 because every person who is not awake is not awake for the same reason.

Posted by: actus at May 04, 2005 12:03 PM (CqheE)

7 But they are getting ready to kill a baby in Texas- because of Bush's law. Poor (and not a white) people- not so important it seems to the GOP. And this baby actually has a (small) chance of living a normal life. But too bad the parents dont have enough cash, so the baby will die. All due to President Bush.

Posted by: Freddy at May 04, 2005 12:36 PM (HFKAk)

8 Freddy probably blames his lack of hair growth on Bush too. Bunch of whacos

Posted by: Ob Snooks at May 04, 2005 12:47 PM (yBHNA)

9 Freddie, I hate the President,I mean that asshole as much as you. But I gotta say it...You sound like a fucking idiot! Bush's Law? Where did you go to law school, Florida Fucking Atlantic? Just goes to show ya. We on the left are mostly real smart, but we have our Freddies too. Freddie, remember..Bush is Hitler, can ya handle that? Just say it over and over and you may even get on TV. Bush is Hitler. it's soooooo simple.Stay on message. Bush is Hitler. HA,HA,HA

Posted by: Judge Greer at May 04, 2005 12:51 PM (aUEhc)

10 The party of hate. You guys are not productive.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at May 04, 2005 01:25 PM (yBHNA)

11 All right my little tan friend, you have insulted Freddy and I and we demand satisfaction. Freddy will meet you in Memphis this Tuesday at Tom Lee Park. The whole town will be out for the big BBQ and fights. Freddy will be driving a 72 Chevy Vega covered with both” Bush is Hitler” and the clever, “Mean People Suck” stickers. After giving you a beatin, my chubby little friend promises to stick a pork rib in your mouth and make you yell “no blood for oil 3 times”. I love picnics, sneekin up on some old woman in a wheel chair and turning off her IV drip. What fun!!! If I’m not mistaken, after winning this match, Freddy will fight the winner of the Colin Babar-Tami the Hoe sweet 16 match up. Some of the Ambulance chasers around the courthouse have started an office pool. Sort of like March Madness in May, what fun. I am putting my money on that large strapping Finish boy who talks so much.

Posted by: Judge greer at May 04, 2005 02:03 PM (aUEhc)

12 If a cannibal only eats people in a permanent vegetated state, Would he be a vegetarian?

Posted by: Butch at May 04, 2005 04:29 PM (Gqhi9)

13 Butch my friend, that is a good question. Only real bottom feeding turds like you and I would talk about the dead like this. During the two weeks I denied another human being food and water, I often stayed up late at night asking myself this same question. Would a sub-human scum like Butch be a vegetarian if he ate Terry after I finished slowly killing her? Hmmm. Perhaps the greater minds at Harvard, Stanford or Brown can come up with a consensus. WhatÂ’s done is done. I am glad to be in such good company Butch. Great minds think alike after all.

Posted by: Judge Greer at May 04, 2005 05:03 PM (aUEhc)

14 Well Fudge Rear, Clearly you are confused as ever. How can you call one a friend and then insult them by calling them what you yourself truly are? The only sub-human scum I have seen lately on this site is that of you, chicken little brain (grey rooster) (and not much of him lately). You can clearly not see humor, admitted dark humor, when it is in front of you. But just to point out for you conservative mind, the other point I was trying to make, obviously escaped you, was that with everything being politically correct now a days, some words or actions are so stupid and insane, that they are truly oxymorons. (A meating eating violent monster (cannibal) being equated to what most think of a peace loving pacifist.) As for the “Killing” of Terry Schiavo, she was not killed. She “DIED”. It would be a lot more humane if she had been killed. But being a higher species, we must allow others of our kind to suffer, while we would grant mercy to any poor animal that was in the same state. Let me ask you these questions. 1. Does not the bible state that God can heal the sick and resurrect the dead? (I believe the answer is yes) 2. Was Terry not returned to her natural state by the court? She was not born with a feeding tube in her stomach was she? (I believe the answer is yes, and no in that order.) 3. Did anyone shoot, stab, electrocute, inject, or smother her? (answer no.) 4. Was not her condition cause by a chemical imbalance that was brought on by an eating disorder? Who is the cause of the eating disorder? (answer yes, Terry.) 5. If Terry had woken up and asked for food and drink, would anyone there deny her sustenance? (answer no.) 6. So if God, who has the power to heal and resurrect, did not intervene on behalf of Terry, who was put back into a truly natural state, then is not God responsible for her death? (answer yes.) 7. Or was her death, brought on by an eating disorder of her own causing, an unplanned and unfortunate suicide. (answer Unplanned and unfortunate yes, suicide no.) So Fudge Rear, when you stay up late at night getting your Fudge packed up your conservative Rear, why don’t you contemplate a more civilize and criticize answer before you go insulting people. Now once you have tried that approach, or if someone attacks you first, then by all means open up. One last thing, just so there is no mistakes, unlike Greg, I am proud to be a Liberal. On a scale of –10 (Fanatic Liberal) to 10 (Fanatic Conservative), I would rate myself around a –6 or –7, depending on the mood of the day.

Posted by: Butch at May 05, 2005 09:55 AM (Gqhi9)

15 Butch is clearly the ying to Gayrooster's yang. Where is that drunk-ass kkk bigot anyway? If there are any thunderdome style fight club match ups, I better be in the ring. I bet Ob Snooks rides Gayrooster like Master Blaster. Fudge Rear gets the fiction award of the week. Y. Bourbon: "Men deep inside know one from the other." Well, damn. This could be debated from all angles...I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you...but I wish what you said was more true and had more influence in our world. I've always thought values, morality, right and wrong were more issues of how you are raised and influenced by those around you, plus instinct.

Posted by: steven baber at May 05, 2005 10:27 AM (FogDg)

16 Butch my friend, it’s truly great to have you on our team. I like you hate those damn conservatives. Always yacking about this that and the other thing. You make some great talking points; may I use them for my next speech at the Tallahassee Rotary club lunch this Friday? The bible healing the sick and resurrect the dead. Ha, Ha, Ha, not in my county! Your right about another thing, Terry was not born with a feeding tube. Err, just between you and me, I was not borne with a bag of BBQ pork rinds and you were not born with a can of Pringles in your hand. I love those salt and vinegar ones. MMMM. Butch, I know from your fudge packing talk that you may be someone I can play tonsil hockey with. How about we meet up in Memphis next week for the big BBQ. We can watch a few fights and see some of those baby breading neocons get their ass kicked by some of our rainbow brothers. After the BBQ we can have a little fun. I know some people at the Colonial Vista Retirement Home. I love to go into a room and spend a few minutes with “Grand Pa”. My favorite trick is using the OLE foot wedge to pull the power cord on the respirator. Hell you know what Butch, ain’t no one borne with a fucking respirator was there? Ha, Ha, Ha. Butch, Bush is Hitler, No blood for Oil and mean people suck. And don’t let any one tell you it’s mean to kill a FHP..That’s a Fucking Helpless Person, Ha, Ha, Ha, I made that up myself. Anyway, if they do, there just narrow minded Hitler loving Republicans. Hope to see ya in Memphis sweetie.

Posted by: The Judge at May 05, 2005 11:12 AM (ywZa8)

17 Well Fudge, You still donÂ’t get it do you. I am not advocating pulling the plug on every person in a coma. I believe we should really give them a chance. But once we have tried everything that medical science can do and we still get no results, it is time to let that person move on to their just rewards (Heaven for most, and definitely Hell for you.) As for the trip to Memphis, I will have to decline. The do have a great statue of N.B. Forrest there, but I usually just pass through to IL, visit my ken folk up that way. If I am not mistaken, I do believe that Greg invited you down to Austin for a BBQ. If you take him up, you can swing by Dallas on the way and I will show you the new Trinity River project that is being worked on in Dallas. But just a fair warning, if I do, you may not make it down to Austin. One last thing, Bush is not a Hitler. Hitler actually served in the German army during WWI. Bush is more a Louis XVI and Laura (Bush) is a Marie Antoinette, (Let them eat cake.)

Posted by: Butch at May 05, 2005 12:28 PM (Gqhi9)

18 That should be They do have and not The do have.

Posted by: Butch at May 05, 2005 01:01 PM (Gqhi9)

19 Steve: "but I wish what you said was more true and had more influence in our world." Yes, people often disregard the law written on their heart. How is your brother? Regardless of some of his views, I wish him well.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 05, 2005 01:43 PM (x+5JB)

20 YB, My bro is doing very well. He hasn't been in here lately...maybe busy spamming other sites? Hahaha. Anyway, yeah. Maybe he's on a covert Gayrooster hostage mission?

Posted by: steven baber at May 05, 2005 04:15 PM (FogDg)

21 By the way, YBP...when you say 'regardless of his views'...explain further. I'm curious...

Posted by: steven baber at May 05, 2005 10:20 PM (w3zHI)

22 Simple enough. He is against U.S. presence in Iraq and I am not.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 06, 2005 08:09 AM (x+5JB)

23 I don't think my bro's view can be summed up that simple. Collin is actually very brilliant. We're talking about a guy who took apart a TV when he was 6, put it back together and it worked. By around the same age he read the entire Encyclopedia Britannica from a-z. He has always been a sponge for knowledge, but almost at his own expense. His mind is like a seismically tuned device interpreting world events and culture. He's very thorough and barely able to handle all the data, believe me. Anyway, I would say he has many different views, not just one. As far as my view on the subject, I'm not against the United States 'being' anywhere, as long as it's improving the world we live in. I'm not convinced that the Iraq War is improving the world. I think there are always alternatives to war, and they were barely explored before we invaded. I also think we are foolish to think that we can just barge into that region, ignorant to the culture and beliefs there and just shove democracy up everyone's ass and expect it to flourish. I hope it does, in the truest of forms...but doing it through violence and force seems contradictory to me. Everytime I think of our occupation of that country, I think of how many innocent people have been killed(civilians shot/bombed) and who's kids are using that as fuel to become future terrorists. It's really just a matter of time before a terrorist gets a nuke, or builds one. If NYC got bombed, or even just Wall Street, imagine what would happen to this country and the impact on the world economy. What would this country be like if NYC was wiped out? It would make 9/11 seem like a walk in the park. These things aren't impossible and are pretty scary to think about. The thing is, terrorists don't have allegiance to a particular country and we can't 'invade' them all...the solution to me is covert moles getting close and taking out key players, beefing up intelligence (ours is pathetic and wasteful) and having this country repair it's image as a international bully by being more responsible. America will always be hated, but don't think for a second it's just because they are jealous or 'hate freedom'...there are many reasons, right or wrong. Without living in a police state, it seems almost impossible to thwart all terrorist attempts. If a police state is our future, then freedom is not. To sum up my view: intelligence and accountability are the higher road and is better for the economy and reputation of this country. Some people in here don't give a rat's ass about the reputation part, but you can only rake leaves into your neighbors lawn so many times before he dumps the shit back on your doorstep.

Posted by: steven baber at May 06, 2005 11:10 AM (w3zHI)

24 Steve: I never questioned Colin's intelligence. BUT WHO THE HELL LET A SIX YEAR-OLD KID TAKE APART A WORKING TELEVISION SET?! I read your post, and must say that I can't find anything in it that I really disagree with. I am troubled and disturbed over how the war is going and think, perhaps in hindsight, that other strategies could have been employed. But I also add that we just can't leave now without doing our damnedest to restore order there, clean up the physical mess, and help to establish the peace and the form of government that the majority of civilians seem to want--all the while and killing as many terrorsts as possible.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 06, 2005 01:07 PM (x+5JB)

25 Much like YBP, I am also in favor of the war. I thought way back when the GOP was claiming it is need to save the world from WMD, it should of been to free the people from Saddam, much like we freed the women from the Taliban (in Afghanastan.) What I did not like, and still don't is how the war is being ran. We jump the gun because we thought we could get a quick victory by killing Saddam. A country should never "Go" to war on a gamble. Once inside a war, one may have to take some, but you should always start out with a strong first hand. The General running the show now is definetly not Schwarzkopf. (Spelling?). Letting the media run wild inside is stupid. Now they can film and make reports all they want, but nothing will be let out until after the war.

Posted by: Butch at May 06, 2005 03:39 PM (Gqhi9)

26 I stumbled upon this site by accident.Its postings are crazy and I couldn't be more pleased!

Posted by: JJ at May 12, 2005 10:39 PM (6krEN)

27 TeRrY ScHiAvo RaWkS LoL

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