September 12, 2005

Staying the Course in Iraq

Dean Esmay has an excellent post on the moral argument for staying the course in Iraq:

With some moral arguments, there really is no middle ground. I'd like to think there is but there isn't. So my suggestion--as "black and white" as it may sound--is simple: take a stand. Do you want to abandon those people in Iraq or do you not? Do we turn them over to the "freedom fighters" who bomb women and children and mosques and cops and elected politicians as well as our soldiers? Or do we protect the victims of those "freedom fighters," recognizing the "freedom fighters" as vicious fascist thugs and theocratic nutjobs, and try to help the real people, the overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people, establish a democratic, human rights respecting, and free nation?
I fully support Dean's argument. The time for debating a war, any war, is before it begins. Once it begins the only debate ought to be how to win it in the quickest manner. That is the duty of a patriot.

Further, I believe the war must be won for pragmatic and Realist (I mean this in the foreign policy school of thought sense) reasons. If we do not set up a government that will be allied with the U.S. in Iraq then we will be sending a signal to jihadi forces that terrorism works. Remember, Osama bin Laden first began to believe that America was weak and could be defeated after our retreat from Somalia.

The Left's freedom fighters who we are fighting in Iraq are intent on setting up a Taliban-like state. If they succeed, then not only has the cause of freedom been set back, but the cause of America as well.

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1 "Once it begins the only debate ought to be how to win it in the quickest manner." By staying or going. Also, there is a problem with your 'time to talk is over.' We now have more information than before. We now know more about what was known before. So its really a different conversation than before.

Posted by: actus at September 12, 2005 11:34 PM (y/f3P)

2 There will be no ultimate win for us in Iraq, because to win would be to lose. Well, I'll put it a little less cryptically. Were we, rather than the Iraqi forces, to win against the insurgency then Iraq would end up as the same kind of "protectorate" that it was under British rule in the last century. So, in order to establish the legitimacy of something more substancial than an American colony the "freedom fighters" have to defeat the "insurgents." That will establish Iraq as a nation, and just about nothing else will. And by the time all of this transpires in the way that it ought, the US will be out of the picture almost entirely. It has to be. Consider that it was the War of 1812, and not the American Revolution, that really established the United States as a nation. And it was during that war, while watching the battle in Baltimore Harbor, that Key wrote The Star Spangled Banner.

Posted by: Demosophist at September 13, 2005 02:18 AM (QKEx7)

3 "That will establish Iraq as a nation, and just about nothing else will." Right. They will have purchased their OWN identity. Hence GW's words "When Iraq stands up, we'll stand down." They will have to finish this war.

Posted by: Oyster at September 13, 2005 05:49 AM (YudAC)

4 Bushraq is a cluster and muddy boots sojias OUT!!!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 13, 2005 08:27 AM (VhNDM)

5 Right. They will have purchased their OWN identity. Hence GW's words "When Iraq stands up, we'll stand down." They will have to finish this war. Well, that part's tricky. If we leave too late there will be no, or an insufficient, transfer of legitimacy. Remember Pantani's reaction when Lance gave him the victory on Mont Ventoux. Nations act that way as well. And if we leave too early, of course, the Iraqi "freedom fighters" won't be ready to defeat the "insurgents" and we'll have another failed state on our hands. So far I haven't seen anyone on the Left or the Right make this argument, because it requires a kind of judgment that neither is very familiar with. But I maintain that Americans will know what to do when the time comes. It's in our genes.

Posted by: Demosophist at September 13, 2005 09:36 AM (hoJy0)

6 Is Dean the only sane Liberal left?

Posted by: Howie at September 13, 2005 11:29 AM (D3+20)

7 Howard Dean? Huh? You're kidding, right? The only sane democrat that comes to mind for me is Zell Miller.

Posted by: Oyster at September 13, 2005 04:16 PM (fl6E1)

8 No I meant Dean Esmay. He says he is liberal I just assumed he was a Democrat. I meant liberal as in sane liberal. you know about assume it makes an ass of U and me. http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/000052.html

Posted by: Howie at September 13, 2005 04:43 PM (D3+20)

9 But Howie Dean might be fun to get really drunk with at least he has personality. yeeeeaaaahhhh.

Posted by: Howie at September 13, 2005 05:11 PM (D3+20)

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