. Rest in Peace.
As I said yesterday, I'm not a Catholic, but Pope John Paul II helped bring down the evil empire that was the Soviet Union. For that I am sure he has a place in heaven. God speed.
Update: Now Drudge is hedging bets, says Vatican denying.....
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The Pope is dead. Long live the Pope.
Posted by: Carlos at April 01, 2005 01:04 PM (8e/V4)
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Rusty,
All the reports I'm getting indicate that the Pope has not died but is dying. The dying matter has to do with no hope of recovery and worsening. Fox News has had it wrong twice due to the faulty translation of a single word.
Posted by: Richard at April 01, 2005 01:35 PM (xFeJi)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 01, 2005 01:38 PM (JQjhA)
Posted by: Ob Snooks at April 01, 2005 01:39 PM (yBHNA)
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So get rid of this whole post and start with a new one.... Pope still alive.... At this point that statement will make more of an impact!!
Chris
Posted by: Chris at April 01, 2005 01:40 PM (5ZMI7)
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Wouldn't it be nice if the Pope jumps up and says April fool. I've allways respected him. He spoke out when it wasn't popular. Through courage he quickened the end of the soviet empire. Helping to give millions their choice of religion or lack thereof. A good man who will be missed.
The next pope will be an Italian. Hope he is as good as this one.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 05:42 PM (CBNGy)
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LOL
Rooster my hubby said the same thing today
Posted by: sparky at April 01, 2005 06:23 PM (F1nba)
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I only hope the liberal moonbats wait a while before they start complaining about him being too conservative.
We all know they will start sooner or later.
Crap MSNBC just mentioned it. Here it goes. Too pro life, Too anti-Abortion, too conservative on gay rights issues. Blah, blah, blah.
They should at least have the decency to wait until he's buried. He's not even dead yet.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 02, 2005 06:33 AM (CBNGy)
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You can change that statement back from "dying" to dead, Rusty. The Pope has just passed away.
May he rest in peace.
:-(
Posted by: Laura at April 02, 2005 03:14 PM (L3PPO)
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I'm quite glad the replacement-of-Jeesus-on-Earth finally ended his miserable, demented, senile life and passed on to find out there is no god nor afterlife.
Posted by: A Finn at April 04, 2005 05:04 AM (cWMi4)
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A Finn: You sound like a real happy soul. Have a good day!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 04, 2005 07:18 AM (x+5JB)
Posted by: Laura at April 04, 2005 09:03 AM (L3PPO)
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Perhaps it is time everyone admitted that there is no point in spending a lifetime waiting to die and go to a place that doesn't exist. This 50-120 years is all we'll ever have, and there is no use wasting even a second of it in mourning people you've never met or praying to a thing that never responds.
Posted by: A Finn at April 04, 2005 02:24 PM (lGolT)
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A Finn:
Read what is traditionally referred to as Pascal's Wager in his "Pensées."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 04, 2005 03:06 PM (x+5JB)
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A Finn: There's a way to express your fellings and beliefs without being an asshole. You and I may agree in religious beliefs, However, why be an prick when there's no advantage?
If there is no God, How will the recently departed Pope know there's not such thing? Hang in there A Finnn. Hang in there.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 12:34 AM (CBNGy)
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Young Bourbon Professional: I dislike reading, since if one gets into the text, the text becomes what one is thinking, and one can't criticize it during the reading. Therefore it would actually influence my opinions, so I shall only find out what the main frames of the text are and think about em.
Greyrooster: To your question why be a prick, I shall comment, that this is the perfect time to influence the minds of the foolish, who might read such things as this. Since they now lack a person they can all consider better and way more worthy than themselves, they have a hole in their lives, which they need to fill with either going to their areas of worship the supposed divine being controlling their lives, or then they need to give up on old beliefs and find new ways of behaviour, which they seek from other people, perhaps the internet.(really I just am an annoying person when it comes to dealing with people who actually believe in things they can't prove, but thats a fancier reason, therefore that should be considered first) To the other: surely when one is dying and notices nothing special is happening, one understands "this is it, I'm gone forever, man I should've lived better."(on the other hand, if one is a Jehovas witness, the ressurecting would happen thousands of years after ones death to fight in the harmageddon against Satan...well pretty much no-one is and only 100'000 most believing of them get in there so don't bother considering such a thing)
Personally, I'm evangelish lutheran, but that doesn't really mean a thing, since 85% of Finns are, and about 80% of those are just in it because burials and weddings are cheaper that way.
Posted by: A Finn at April 05, 2005 02:20 AM (cWMi4)
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Terribly off-topic... Oh well. R.I.P. to the Pope anyway
Posted by: A Finn at April 05, 2005 02:22 AM (cWMi4)
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=) Pascal's wager was one of a wiseman indeed.
But now I feel like I should take a chance on getting into Valhalla instead of heaven, so I shall start believing in Odin. Or perhaps I should take a chance on getting into Nirvana... Just because there are a lot of Christians their(my?) god is not necessarily the most likely one to exist. Should start experimenting with religions that have a rebirth-system, might be fun to be an animal or an insect for a few years/months/weeks.
Posted by: A Finn at April 05, 2005 08:27 AM (lGolT)
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Extremely sorry for all the off-topic-stuff, I shall write no more unless agitated to do so. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust... and the next pope will be african if there is a god.
Posted by: A Finn at April 05, 2005 08:31 AM (lGolT)
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A Finn: Drugs are legal where you live, right?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 08:44 AM (x+5JB)
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Careful A Finn: Odin is my quy. I know I will go to Valhalla. That is, if I die with a sword in my hand. Which is the way to go.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 06:21 PM (CBNGy)
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Bourbon: No, but the booze is really cheap and its legal to make your own if you have the government approved equipment for it.
Greyrooster: Actually, as long as you don't die of old age, sickness, by accident or by a punishment from law enforcers, you will go to either Odins or Reginleifs (his daughter according to Viking mythology) Valhalla army, and if you kill yourself you go straight to Odin and get magical powers. (DON'T! I'd be blamed...) Otherwise you go to Hel, the half-dead daughter of Odin, whose realm is actually the same which all bad Christians go to, since hell as the catholic church knows it, was invented, when the traditional Jewish belief of evil people just disappearing forever didn't scare enough people into paying the church. (Sort of admitting there are other gods that Jahve, Jeesus and the Holy Ghost, don't you think?)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 02:28 AM (cWMi4)
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One more thing: "The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom. The knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.", (proverbs 9:10) ...this one bothers me.
"Herran pelko on viisauden alku, Pyhän tunteminen on ymmärryksen perusta." is how it is in the Finnish bible, the first bit is same, but the second bit is " ...knowing what the Holy One is, is the basis of understanding it."
Your Bible says you only need to understand, that because the Book has Gods wisdom in it, God is.
Ours says we should study God to find out what, where and why it is, and then study whatever comes from it to us in the form of signs and miracles to better understand the supernatural creature holding the ultimate power over all universe.
So... why is your Bible telling you "it is, because it is, now shut up about it" and ours is saying "study the religion, find God and then learn to understand what it is trying to do, say or teach"???
(Oh smite me, Holy One, if this is against thy will =P)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 04:18 AM (cWMi4)
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A Finn: Hell was referenced in the OT as well (sheol).
Are you putting any time constraints on God's "smiting"?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 06, 2005 10:18 AM (x+5JB)
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Smiting should naturally appear at the time of the deed, otherwise it would be quite useless.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 10:38 AM (lGolT)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 06, 2005 11:44 AM (x+5JB)
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During my time preferrably, but apparently God has seen through my texts and interpreted them otherwise, and understood that such heretic writings will only strenghthen the faith of those already fanatic, make people forget all their sorrows and concentrate large amounts of hatered to me and feel better afterwards, and also tip the atheist further away into the deep dark depth of doubt, which may drive em back to the flock of believing people who need no explanation for what happens and are efficient in wasting their lives in working to please the Lord and thinking they'll be happy after their dead. (God might've also seen that this doesn't really lead anywhere, and doesn't want to interfere in the business of men, while he is watching over a more populated and interresting planet in a galaxy far, far away...)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 12:43 PM (lGolT)
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It's actually quite an interresting idea this eternal soul. Transferring peoples minds and ways of thinking to another level of existence in a fictional environment without the subject knowing he himself no longer exists and the thing he is, is only exactly like him, but lives in a different realm.
This might make eternal life possible, if the body could be linked to a computer strong enough to run a believeable environment without at some part of the process stopping the brainflow, so the person would not die somewhere between the transfers. Then some idiot would link the computer to the internet and the being would control all machines on earth, or worse, some screenscrewing hackedydoo would start altering the realm and create a paradox the program couldn't handle, and the person would die...
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 12:51 PM (lGolT)
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Finn: Do I have Martin Luther to thank for all this?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 06, 2005 01:11 PM (x+5JB)
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Sure, sure, thank Luther, while you're at it, thank the person running this interresting, somehow way too far on the right, web site.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 02:09 PM (lGolT)
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Actually, who you really should thank for my religious views, is Mikael Agricola, the Finn who translated the Bible in Finnish back in the year 1550.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 05:27 AM (cWMi4)
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"1550."
After Luther cut out parts he disagreed with, eh? Not good.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 08:56 AM (x+5JB)
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He translated the Russian Orthodox one, actually.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 09:43 AM (lGolT)
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"Russian Orthodox"
Schismatics! Satan's way to divide and conquer!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 10:06 AM (x+5JB)
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The Book is pretty much the same, Russian Orthodox bible just had all the books of both sides, so it to Agricola was the one that should be translated to Finnish, so all Christian literature could be examined in Finnish
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 10:18 AM (lGolT)
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One MILLION Polish people, 200'000 Spaniards and about 800'000 people from other countries have gather in Vatican for the Pope's burial, so I guess he is really important to strongly Catholic societies. Popular person, made more saints than any other before, hard man to replace for the next leader of the faith.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 01:44 PM (lGolT)
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Finn: My point is that Christ said He was founding one Church, and the RC one is the only one that can trace its roots back to A.D. 33. All other Protestant ones are 1,500 too late! The Church would also have a visible leader, and all popes can be traced back to St. Peter. The Church is like a living tree--the minute a branch breaks off, it is cut of from the source of its Guiding Spirit. That's why I left the man-made church I once belonged to. I studied the issue for years.
I'm not coming back to the archives any more--I'm sure we can continue the discussion on a more current blog, okay?
Pax.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 03:39 PM (x+5JB)
Posted by: A Finn at April 08, 2005 02:50 AM (cWMi4)
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