Kevin Sites has his ethics. He put his 'journalistic ethics' above patriotic duty by releasing a video of an American soldier killing an Iraqi who was playing dead.
The proper thing to do would have been to turn the video over to the military authorities for investigation. Had the military never done an investigation, then perhaps Sites should have let this one out of the bag.
This video served as a great propaganda tool for our enemies. Terrorists don't need a Joseph Goebbels as long as they have traitors like Kevin Sites.
Hat tip: Avenu B. Alum.
. And, of course, he's right. There are higher ethics beyond allegiance to country. But 'journalistic ethics' is not one of them.
As I've always and consistently maintained, freedom of speech should not exist in war zones. Yes, I believe in censorship. But only in times of war and only speech that is directly related to the war effort. In war we ask people to give up their lives. This is a sacrifice much greater than 'journalistic ethics'.
In WWII we had censorship. Why not now? I believe I will post on this later. Check the main page.
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" They simply name my blog and that's it. But for Sites blog they drop a link. Why is that?"
101st fighting keyboarders don't get links, heroes in the line of fire do.
Posted by: actus at April 11, 2005 05:37 PM (EQbuu)
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If he had handed over his tape over to the military, we may have never seen the footage.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 11, 2005 06:20 PM (FV4oJ)
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:::sigh::::
I think I'll almost be happy to see my generation pass away in the next 2-3 decades if for nothing more to clear out the universities and the Schools of "Journalism" that take their cue from the Vietnam era that the only "authentic" personal conviction was if one opposed The Man in any and all realms.
IMHO, Sites is less a traitor and more a sad little Quisling.
Posted by: Darleen at April 11, 2005 06:30 PM (FgfaV)
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Dear Darleen,
It seems everyone at Jawa loves the "traitor" word. How do you define a traitor?
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 11, 2005 07:53 PM (FV4oJ)
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Sites isn't really a traitor, nor a quisling, simply an amoral opportunist. All of the rich mitigating detail and context he imbued the incident with on his blog, in his "apology" to the Marines, didn't make it into the endless al-Jazeera broadcasts of Sites' footage. Nor did it make much of an impression on NBC, despite Sites' assertion to the contrary. TV News is about the five second soundbite, not rational analysis, and Sites certainly knows this.
Sites published the video for personal gain - notoriety and recognition, which the Payne Award gives him. That's the reason for his whining self-justification to the Marines on his blog. Evidently, Sites is just bright enough to realize that he singlehandedly strengthened the terrorist insurgency and their propaganda arm, al-Jazeera.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 11, 2005 08:09 PM (RHG+K)
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How do you define a traitor. Refer to it as a Collin Baber.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 11, 2005 09:23 PM (CBNGy)
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Least we forget. After investigation no charges were filed against the Marine in question. It was a righteous act fully within what is proper when meeting terrorists who probably recently killed one of your buddys. Why else were they armed? To go to dinner? No they were there to kill American and Iraqi soldiers. Why does any moonbat think that a murdering terrorist can kill and then throw down his weapon and not received justice. That is akin to saying a murderer during a robbery can throw down his weapon when surrounded and then nothing happen to him. Bullshit. You reap what you sow and what the terrorist was sowing was death. The photographer helped the enemy. Just to get a pat on the back. Piss on the mindless piss ant. He should have know better.
Lesson learned. Nail the photographer first. And I got that from the horses mouth. The Marine going door to door not knowing if his death is around the corner is the hero. He should be honored. Not the idiot who helped the enemy.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 11, 2005 09:35 PM (CBNGy)
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Sites is a vulture. He goes where there is death, destruction, misery and sorrow.....and takes pictures of it to sell.
Posted by: vivi at April 11, 2005 10:40 PM (nTEvo)
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Amen Greyrooster,
This guy is trying to play both sides for maximum benefit.
He sold that Marine out. How could he expect to go into combat with these guys in the future. He has no character and would sell out his comrads for money or fame. The ultimate piece of shit.
Try to write a letter of explaination to the people he went into combat with? Sorry asshole, that won't fly.
Posted by: Brad at April 11, 2005 10:42 PM (M7kiy)
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Dear Vivi,
Death, destruction, misery and sorrow.. all brought to you by the Bushian War Cult.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 11, 2005 10:54 PM (FV4oJ)
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None of this brought to you by the "Kevin Sites Get Me some Fame Cult":
Trust,Honor,Patroitism,Character,
Kevin Sites is an official .......FUCKTARD!!!!!
Posted by: Brad at April 11, 2005 11:01 PM (M7kiy)
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To Collin Baber:
I call your "Bushian Death Cult" and raise with a "Criminally Negligent Clinton Iraq Policy Of Half Assed Containment Secret Society" in one hand and a "Complacently Corrupt UN Policy of Dictatorship Financial Stabilization Brotherhood" in the other.
Posted by: Don Kermit at April 11, 2005 11:46 PM (/yGTH)
Posted by: Carlos at April 12, 2005 12:00 AM (8e/V4)
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Don
I'll see your "Criminally Negligent Clinton Iraq Policy Of Half Assed Containment Secret Society", "Complacently Corrupt UN Policy of Dictatorship Financial Stabilization Brotherhood" and raise you a "we don't need no stinkin tanks in Samolia" and a "wag the tail and bomb that damn aspirin factory"
Posted by: CJ at April 12, 2005 12:08 AM (cEqQB)
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Dear Don,
We may speak of Cigar Aficionado Bill's shenanigans all we like, yet the Bushian War Cult is here today, grinding up the youth of our nation.
"We had a lot of casualties. I had to pick up several of my friends piece by piece. I had to kill women, children, old men - everyone."
- Benjamin Jones, combatant, Iraq
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 12, 2005 12:53 AM (FV4oJ)
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Confederate Yankee: Sites knew exactly what would happen when NBC broadcast the video, i.e., that all of the intricate nuances he spoke of on his site would be lost in a forty-five second Nightly News spot. Sites also knew that he was handing al-Jazeera a propaganda bonanza. He didn't care, the personal payoff was just too tempting.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 12, 2005 01:42 AM (RHG+K)
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Strange war. Can't kill enemies trying to look dead to sneakattack when you turn your back.
The press has way too much liberty in war zones. No-one needs to know what is happening in there, since they will stay there and do shit until the Iraqi government turns against em. No use telling others than the armymix occupying Iraq and rebuilders perhaps, if this causes havoc that interferes with their work.
Others have no actual use for the info, so keep them in the dark. Antiwar people will be against it anyway and prowar people don't want to know about any bad things done by their own. Take the press away and the terrorists lose their only way to influence world wide.
Posted by: A Finn at April 12, 2005 03:00 AM (lGolT)
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A Finn: well said. maybe you can add one more glimmer of hope for Finland, and build on the good work Rapala has done.
Collin Baber - Bush is grinding away our youth? Our youth has been grinding away itself for decades. Many thousands more of our youth get killed through murder, suicide, drugs, and stupidity in one year than the great Bushian War cult has managed to snuff out in three years of war against the real Death Cult, the Islamists.
Sites is a traitor, because that video has been used aver and over and over by Arab TV to inflame the Iraqi people against our men.
Posted by: Mr. K at April 12, 2005 03:43 AM (22x5h)
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Article III, Sec. 3 of the U.S. Constitution:
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies,
giving them Aid and Comfort."
Conf. Yankee, I'd suggest that Kevin Sites has lots of reasons in his own mind to justify his acts, but so do all traitors. See the entire post linked above. His actions gave aid and comfort to the enemy.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 12, 2005 08:07 AM (JQjhA)
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"Conf. Yankee, I'd suggest that Kevin Sites has lots of reasons in his own mind to justify his acts, but so do all traitors. "
And whats on his mind is the part where it says "adhering to the enemy." You're leaving out an element of the crime.
Posted by: actus at April 12, 2005 08:17 AM (EQbuu)
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If Kevin Sites was a football player I can see him going to the referee and saying "that touchdown my team just made doesn't count, one of our players was slightly off sides" and I filmed it. Whose team is Kevin Sites on. Not the Marines.
Notice that the traitor Colon Babler always brings up the dead and wounded on the other team. But thats one of the many reasons it is a traitorous piece of garbage.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 12, 2005 08:41 AM (CBNGy)
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Dear Greyrooster,
We're still waiting for the Falluja quote URL. Just cut and paste it if the cat got your tongue.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 12, 2005 09:21 AM (fufbw)
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Collin Baber
Seems a big difference having to kill people,than just killing people.
What will it take before you moonbats wake up and smell the coffee?My guess is it take something so big,you wont wake up from it.
Darlene
Couldn't agree more. Until the yammering commies in this country move on to hell,this clap trap wont stop.
Posted by: xtremewing at April 12, 2005 10:55 AM (HW7Bx)
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collin baber.
None of the current BJ listed as serving in the USArmy in the last 12 months has been assigned to a unit which has taken mass casulties.
When I visited your site you quoted someone as saying that chem lights were broken an phosphoric liquid was pored on prisoners. The word you are looking foe is phosphorescent. Big difference. Big, big difference. Ask your mommy to explain that to you.
Posted by: Bullshark at April 12, 2005 12:10 PM (/E1+1)
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Dear Bullshark,
Thank you for the clarifications and knowledge about lightsticks.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 12, 2005 06:22 PM (FV4oJ)
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What a bunch of yahoos!
Here's the exact quote of the Marines involved;
"He's fucking faking he's dead. He faking he's fucking dead," says the Marine. At that point a clatter of gunfire can be heard as one of the Marines shoots the prisoner. Another voice can then be heard saying: "He's dead now."
NBC correspondent Kevin Sites said that the five wounded Iraqi fighters had been left in the mosque after Marines had fought their way into that part of the city on Friday and Saturday. Ten other Iraqis had been killed in the battle for the mosque. Instead of being passed to the rear lines for treatment the wounded Iraqis were left in the mosque until a second group of Marines entered the building on Saturday, following reports that the building may have been reoccupied. Sites said that at this point one of the five Iraqis was dead and that three of the others appeared to be close to death.
In his report accompanying the images, Sites said that one of the Marines noticed that one of the wounded men was still breathing before shouting that he was "faking it".
"The Marine then raises his rifle and fires into the man's head. The pictures are too graphic for us to broadcast," said Sites. He added: "The prisoner did not appear to be armed or threatening in any way". Major Doug Powell, a spokesman for the Marine Corps in Washington, told The Independent: "It's being investigated - I can't say much more than that. It's being investigated for possible law of war violations. A naval criminal investigation team is looking into it."
Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War
Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of
International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva
from 21 April to 12 August, 1949
entry into force 21 October 1950
Article 3
In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:
1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) Taking of hostages;
(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.
An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.
The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.
The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.
______________
These conventions wern't created just for fun folks. They are the direct result of the war against Germany and the Nazi holocaust.
Some circumstances in combat are simply unavoidable. This, however, was a blatant act of murder covered up and excused by our leaders. This does not diminish my feelings about all cruel acts of violence, regardless of who perpetrates them ,to be wholly inexcusable.
If your going to blame someone, blame the Marine Corps and the military in general for encouraging hatred and the dehumnaization of the Iraqi people. More civlians died in Falluja than insurgents (which is far different than terrorist).
Two weeks prior to the destruction, the military blatantly violated the Geneva Conventions by cutting off all water, sanitation, power, and health care to the civilian population. For nearly two weeks after the destruction, no ambulance was allowed into the city to help the injured. Meanwhile a father and his family who were trapped int heir home had to bury his 9 year old son in his back yard because he died of an infection.
Try to picture burying your child in your backyard.
In the streets of Falluja, rotting bodies were left in the streets to be eaten by rabid dogs.
Today, the UN department of health and human services released a report stating the percentage of Iraqi children ages 5 and under suffering from malnutrition has doubled since the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The UN isn't exactly a bastion of human rights, but I'll believe them before I believe Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh.
Kevin Sites deserves this award. His video helps no enemy. It simply tells the truth (albeit a very small part)of the kind of things that took place in Falluja.
Poorly trained and educated soldiers make bad decisions. It's not the soldiers fault, it's their leaders fault. And their leaders must be held accountable.
It is, however, the soldiers fault for choosing to deliberatley kill another human being. Regardless of what any investigation or court says, the soldier will have to live with his decision, and the guilt resulting from it the rest of his life.
Posted by: deccles at April 13, 2005 06:49 PM (UCtX/)
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Deccles, complete nonsense. If anyone is to blame, it is the terrorists who themselves violate the laws of war themselves. Once they've done that, they have put themselves outside of the Conventions and are not entitled to its protections.
You have no evidence to contradict the soldiers' account of the incident Sites witnessed.
The UN report on Iraq was pure junk. It has been debunked on many occasions and is nothing but propaganda.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 13, 2005 08:15 PM (xauGB)
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If the so called insurgents stopped killing, bombing, murdering, beheading,etc: All military action would stop. Elections would rule. Iraq would be peaceful and America and its brave partners would go home. If anyone cannnot see this they are either blind or biased.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 13, 2005 11:13 PM (CBNGy)
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deccles: The reason women like you end up pregnant, unmarried and left out are attributable to your gullibility.
Do you honestly believe that garbage? If so you've got a serious problem.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 13, 2005 11:20 PM (CBNGy)
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"This does not diminish my feelings about all cruel acts of violence, regardless of who perpetrates them ,to be wholly inexcusable."
In case you missed it Robin, the above statement refers to all participants, American, European, Iraqi, or otherwise. Also, how can a UN report released April 13, 2005 (yesterday in case you don't have access to a calendar) be debunked many times when it just got released?
Thirdly, here's a little fact you may not be aware of. Of the 1200 + Iraqis taken hostage during the seige (and this was given by the officer in charge of them), 12 were people who actually had taken up arms against the US soldiers. The rest were moms, dads, children. Isn't all human life valuable, or just the ones who live in America? If you truly believe that, then the statement "God Bless America" is the prayer of the arrogant.
To Greyrooster,
And if the Bush Administration hadn't violated the sovreignty of Iraq by illegally invading and occupying a nation which posed no threat to us, or any other nation in the region, we would still have 1500+ more soldiers in our ranks, and the REAL terrorist criminals would probably be behind bars.
Usama Been Forgotten?
Also, I guess your saying the Geneva Conventions are garbage? Is that only because I'm making the point that our leaders are as guilty as the other parties involved, or do you think the international laws should be abolished so the US can simply run roughshot and do whatever they want.
It's interesting how the laws only apply when it affects us, not them.
Posted by: deccles at April 14, 2005 09:01 AM (iYiC2)
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One other point I'd like to make Robin.
You said - "The UN report on Iraq was pure junk. It has been debunked on many occasions and is nothing but propaganda."
Junk? Compared to what other report? Is it junk because Rush Limbaugh, or Scott McClellan, or other administration officials say it is? Or did they actually provide proof to the contrary?
Did the IAEA, EU, Scott Ritter, Joseph Plame, or Mr. Kay all lie in their reports about the WMD's and the lack of any threat whatsoever? If there were indeed "Massive stockpiles" of chemical weapons, as President Bush so clearly stated, then how were these large convoys of trucks able to sneak all this material past the satellites, aircraft, and spy networks of the no-fly zone in place since 1991 and get them into Syria? That is an amazing trick.
Do you honestly believe the Office of Special Projects wasn't manipulating intelligence to create a false threat?
Do you believe our government is not engaging in propaganda to make themselves look good and maintain support? Do you honestly believe they've always told the truth concerning Iraq?
Are you understanding my point yet?
I respect the office of the President. I do not, however, respect people who lie and abuse their power to benefit a few friends. Especially at the expense of human life.
Posted by: deccles at April 14, 2005 11:45 AM (UCtX/)
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Deccles:
"A nation that posed no threat to us or any othe nation in the region"
You ignorant dingbat. Didn't pose the threat to Kuwait. Didn't pose a threat to Iran? Didn't pose a threat to the Kurds? Saddam was going to stop? You are one blind bitch. Grow the hell up and get that moonbat hood off your head.
You best indicator of a person's/country's future behaviour is his past behavior. Physicology 101.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 15, 2005 03:50 AM (7480p)
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Grey Rooster,
If you want to live in the past, that's your perogative I guess. But since we're talking about the events prior to 1991, just keep in mind that our President, Ronald Reagan, along with Dick Cheney, engaged in selling the weapons (chemical included) that facilitated all the things you're talking about.
They're also the reason the Taliban and Al Qaeda existed in the first place. Remember Iran-Contra? Illegal weapons sold to known terrorist organizations?
Posted by: deccles at April 15, 2005 08:29 AM (iYiC2)
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Your simpleton liberal moonbat mind is so screwed up you cannot see the trees for the forest. Believe what you wish. Some people are dumb enough to believe anything that suits their personal agenda. Some are even dumb enough to vote for Kerry or become muslims.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 07:17 AM (sB5vg)
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Illegal invasion??????????Whats the definition of a legal one??
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 02:58 PM (DAWnL)
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Oh, yeah. Let's do a U.S. version of nazism! The marines do the atrocities (like in Abu Grab) and the we pretend we don't see it, because we're patriot. I feel sick when I see a robot like you saying these things. People like you helped Adolph Hitler. He didn't killed the jews: someone stupid like you did the job, for BLIND patriotism. Someone stupid as you commited suicide in the planes of 9/11 because they're BLIND patriots. And if you want the rest of the world BLIND of U.S. or any other country war atrocities, don't blame the journalist: turn yourself in a dictator. Like Adolph.
Posted by: Acid at May 05, 2005 07:24 PM (daQsh)
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