June 07, 2005

John 'Brilliant' Kerry vs. George 'Slacker' Bush

Thanks to Flea for sending me this link to this Boston Globe article that questions the assertions made by partisans on the Left that George Bush is so much duller a light than John Kerry. It turns out they are equally dull. In fact, John Kerry may be a notch duller than George W. Bush. An earlier IQ comparison had shown that George W. Bush was slightly higher on the scale than Kerry.

Anyway it just goes to show that speaking ability is not a very good measure of intelligence. It is said that James Madison was a horrible speaker with a squeaky little voice. I take it we all can agree that Madison stands only next to Jefferson in terms of pure political genius?

Yes, George W. Bush is a horrible, horrible speaker, but even if Daddy Bush got him into Yale it was still Shrimp-Chub-Bush who managed to get out of Yale and then go on to Harvard for an MBA. Me? I just went to the local community college for awhile, then on to a small state college, before moving on to a large private university known primarily for their football team and toga parties. And I think we can all agree that I'm no genius despite my excellent speaking abilities. Oh, wait. None of you have heard me speak. *sigh* That'll have to wait for The Jawa Report podcast.

UPDATE: Apparently I'm the last blogger on earth to here about this. That's only because my wards keep me in a hermeutically sealed room in an ongoing experiment to test Schroedinger's 'jawa in box' experiment. Does Rusty really exist in such a state? Quantum physics says both yes and no at the same time, but I'm not so sure.

Anyway, Ace gave me a chuckle with this one, "Shockingly enough, one of Kerry's highest grades (and yet still not all that good) was in... French."

Oh, and The Ankle Biting Pundits manage to use the word tergiversations in a sentence, "Of course, during the campaign, his staff went the extra mile to say that his frequent tergiversations were due to his superior intellect. We can all have a good laugh now."

On a more serious note, Aylward chimes in, "Evidently the erudite persona Kerry has worked tirelessly over the years to create wouldn't allow him to acknowledge his own failures. He paid a hefty price for his stubbornness - the Presidency."

Michelle Malkin has a much more complete roundup, as I'm desperately needed elsewhere and don't have the time right now to see where this thing is going.

It looks like all you guys are going to have to take down your 'Sign the SF-180 Form' banners.

Llamas make me yip, orgle, and laugh!

UPDATE: Holy shit, Kos says something that is both reasonable and remarkably intelligent for once!! (well, a single sentence, but I'll take it) "Why the hell didn't he release these documents earlier?"

UPDATE II: Whoa. Check out what John O'Neil from the Swifties says to Matt Margolis about Kerry's less than forthcoming release of his records.

We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to examine his full and unexpulgated military records at the Navy Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously indicated its records did not include various materials. This is hardly what we called for. If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then answer questions such as (1)Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise); (2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and 1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3)why did he receive much later citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating Surgeon Louis Letsos, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under unknown circumstances.
During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file. Late last month, Kerry gave the Navy permission to send the documents to the Globe.

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.

The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.

''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire.

It is noteworthy, however, that Kerry received a high honor at Yale despite his mediocre grades: He was chosen to deliver his senior class oration, a testament to his reputation as a public speaker. He delivered a speech questioning the wisdom of the Vietnam War, in which he would soon see combat.

Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate...

Bush went to Yale from 1964 to 1968; his highest grades were 88s in anthropology, history, and philosophy, according to The New Yorker article. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student.

Like Kerry, Bush reportedly suffered through a difficult freshman year and then pulled his grades up.

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1 As I commented at Wizbang: "In form 180 one has the option of requesting a "deleted" or "undeleted" report of separation. Which did he request? A deleted report does not include the following; Authority for separation, reason for separation, re-enlistment eligibility code, separation code, etc. Sounds like it would matter which the Boston Globe holds in their hot little hands. The only reason he would "need" an undeleted report is if he was applying for benefits." Here's the difference. Bush openly admits he was a C student. Kerry, and all his pals brag about his superior intelligence and *nuance*. Wizbang also links to college photos of both. Hilarious!: http://neolibertarian.net/Details.aspx?Entry=24 (scroll down for photos)

Posted by: Oyster at June 07, 2005 12:19 PM (fl6E1)

2 My eyes, they burn!!!!!!

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 07, 2005 12:36 PM (JQjhA)

3 D is for distinction? What an arrogant prick. Everyone knows that D is for diploma.

Posted by: Labosseuse at June 07, 2005 12:47 PM (Xjv2p)

4 I'll buy this is all there is when someone manages to get his complete record and make it publically available. This is what Bush did. So until then, the DUNCE angle may just be a diversion. Show me the complete records.

Posted by: 10ksnooker at June 07, 2005 12:48 PM (7evkT)

5 "I'm John Kerry and I'm reporting for SUMMER SCHOOL"

Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at June 07, 2005 12:55 PM (xkIHW)

6 Ha-ha-ha!

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 07, 2005 12:57 PM (JQjhA)

7 Kerry liked the wet look.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 07, 2005 01:08 PM (x+5JB)

8 Whew, I thought politicians were not maybe so bright but I had no idea.

Posted by: Howie at June 07, 2005 01:24 PM (D3+20)

9 Someone has to tell me what has happened to W: I've seen tapes of him debating in Texas way back and he was sharp as a fuckin' tack. It's a far cry from his speaking today...black and white difference. Anyway, I don't judge him by what he says, but by what he does.

Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 07, 2005 02:43 PM (B9hEP)

10 >>>"I've seen tapes of him debating in Texas way back and he was sharp as a fuckin' tack. It's a far cry from his speaking today...black and white difference." My theory is that as a challenger Bush had less to lose and was therefore less self-conscious. But as an incumbent he has much to lose and has become extremely tentative and self-conscious.

Posted by: Carlos at June 07, 2005 02:53 PM (8e/V4)

11 Or maybe he just railed a huge line of coke before the debate as so many describe him as a former party animal. Hehe. It's just strange because now he talks almost in half sentences. I hope it's not some early Alzheimer's as some (probably liberal) doctors have publicly said...in the NYTimes? Hehe.

Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 07, 2005 03:02 PM (B9hEP)

12 The burning question remains: Does he pluck his eyebrows?

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 07, 2005 03:04 PM (x+5JB)

13 I have a hard time believing we're getting the whole story from the Boston Globe. Especially when their records source is questionable. They claim to have gotten the records from Navy Perscomm, but from what I understand, individual branches of the military don't keep a soldier's records after separation. According to DoD, they are forwarded to NARA for keeping. Simple error or outright lie? On a funnier note, liberals have always claimed that Bush went through college as a drunk. Now we find out that Kerry has the same GPA. Are they sticking to the "drunk" story?

Posted by: Drew at June 07, 2005 03:10 PM (Ml8z/)

14 I got the impression that Kerry thought so much of himself and was so convinced of his intellectual superiority that he was sure we dumb, red-neck, red-staters wouldn't understand his nuances and the complexities of our government and our nation. So he proceeded to have half a million photo ops taking pictures of him wind-surfing, hunting, playing football and various other activities only "real men" do in order to appeal to our primitive brains. It was the biggest most blatant insult I had seen in a long time. His talk about being so proud to have "the Breck Girl" as his running mate made me gag. Anyone with half a brain knew that the ATLA wouldn't give him another cent unless he took Edwards along for the ride. It was a sellout. He wanted that money so bad, he took on the likes of a pip squeak like Edwards. Sorry, ranting is in my blood. I'll stop now.

Posted by: Oyster at June 07, 2005 03:18 PM (fl6E1)

15 It just dawned on me, maybe Kerry did get good grades and we Jesus Land red staters just aren't nuanced enough to understand it. In fact, maybe this is just more proof of Liberal intellectual superiority.

Posted by: Carlos at June 07, 2005 04:55 PM (8e/V4)

16 Who cares about Bush and Kerry...they both suck. I'd like a working class president, not these preppy bastards. Kerry thinks he's smart and Bush pretends to be an everyman. They are all posers...

Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 07, 2005 08:19 PM (B9hEP)

17 osama, Is Dick Cheney "working class"?

Posted by: Carlos at June 07, 2005 09:14 PM (8e/V4)

18 Carlos, to clarify... Someone who doesn't own a huge corporation or who's family isn't filthy rich. I'm sick of seeing rich people control our government when the majority of US citizens aren't rich and our government is supposed to represent us. We only get to vote for rich people since they are usually the only ones who can afford to run for office. Call me a pessimist, but we don't have many choices when it comes to presidential races...yet.

Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 08, 2005 01:40 AM (B9hEP)

19 osamabeenhiding, I believe the last President we had that met YOUR qualifications was Jimmy Carter. (and see where that got us.) Yeah he was educated. Yeah he served in the NAVY. Yeah he was a "man of the people" and a southerner to boot but he had no understanding of politics to serve as president at that time of Middle-Eastern unrest. His stellar decisions led to terrible consequences that the world is still dealing with today. And now he won't shut the F up and simply tend to his house-raising projects. No no no, he must thrust his endless wisdom to the MSM and complete his destiny: The Worst President in the History of the US. Clinton runs a close second.

Posted by: turk at June 08, 2005 06:46 AM (zWL08)

20 Kerry was, is and will always be a fraud.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 08, 2005 07:48 AM (yBHNA)

21 Turk: Harsh assessments, sir... But accurate! And of course now Ol' Peanut-breath is now calling for the U.S. to close down its "gulag."

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 08, 2005 07:51 AM (x+5JB)

22 A working Class President? Sure. Right. What kind of assmonkey are you? Working class regular Joe running the country is not what I want. A working class guy would never have the patience to be a politician. I bet you think Howard Dean is a working class guy-

Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 08, 2005 07:51 AM (yBHNA)

23 Filthy: I, too, thought Fess Parker looked like a dweeb wearing his coonskin cap in Washington.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 08, 2005 08:53 AM (x+5JB)

24 >>>"Carlos, to clarify... Someone who doesn't own a huge corporation or who's family isn't filthy rich." Osama, my dear dear utopianist. Lyndon Johnson was not a wealthy man when he began his political career yet retired a wealthy millionaire. It's my belief that rich corporate dudes like Cheney don't enter politics to augment their wealth, bur rather because they're bored with wealth. At least Cheney rose through the ranks of corporate America and made an honest buck before he became a politician.

Posted by: Carlos at June 08, 2005 09:47 AM (8e/V4)

25 Turk, YBP: I certainly don't endorse Carter! Turk, you don't know me well enough to judge what my qualifications for what a leader should be. Filthy, call me an ass-monkey again and I'll have to chimp you! hehe. Carlos...well I'm sure some people enter politics to make MORE money, not because they are bored with it. I haven't heard of Hallibacon being a very honest company as well, but that might just be negative press only. Don't get me wrong though, Cheney is slick and very successful...but is he honest? If he'd stop grimacing like he's taking a huge poop, he wouldn't give little kids all over America nightmares. *screams like Dean* "yeaAAaaahhHHHhhhh!" What a funny soundbite that is. I thought it was hilarious that Dennis MIller had a button he'd hit on his show for that scream to play...

Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 08, 2005 05:33 PM (B9hEP)

26 Osamabeenhiding.... in response to this: Turk, you don't know me well enough to judge what my qualifications for what a leader should be. "I'd like a working class president, not these preppy bastards." "Carlos, to clarify... Someone who doesn't own a huge corporation or who's family isn't filthy rich. " Just an observation of your statements, sir.

Posted by: Turk at June 09, 2005 06:50 AM (hbbRP)

27 yawn

Posted by: Turk at June 09, 2005 06:52 AM (hbbRP)

28 Turk, yeah...I know you were just observing those two statements. My point is that those two aren't enough to formulate or judge all of the qualifications I think a US President should have. Nor would I be able to judge you based on what little I know about you or what you've said in here. That simple.

Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 09, 2005 12:15 PM (B9hEP)

29 danny boy ruleS PArdon Me look at the caps.

Posted by: DANNYBOY at June 14, 2005 09:14 AM (zY6gQ)

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