Well, gee, where were they supposed to be held? Okay, don't answer that, but you get my point.
The good news is, if the press is on to this, then these jokers have been moved to other "black sites."
First off, who gives a flying fart in a potato sack what the "international community" thinks. We're Team America.
And lo! Western music playing 24 hours, the heart, it doth bleed! The torture! And the guards dressed like ninjas? Why, I believe that Amnesty International is blatantly racist against Japanese by claiming that dressing like a ninja is somehow negative.
Keep trying, keep trying. Try all you want, but Abu Ghraib never was that big of a deal to the public at large to begin with, and trying to repeat what small success you had will fail miserably. Of course, we all know the definition of insane: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Only the far out moonbat left, and their MSM syncophants, will ever have sympathy for terrorists.
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Ya know, I get the feeling that the only hearts that are bleeding over this are the usuals. If one were to randomly ask real people in any average American town or city these questions; is it acceptable to use painful, coersive interrogation to save lives? And if not, how many lives of innocent men, women, and children is it worth?, one might not be surprised at the answer. Most people I talk to, including some otherwise flaming liberals, think that sometimes, we just gotta do what we gotta do. The media and the fringe moonbats, including elected moonbats and appeasers like good ol' Stockholm McCain, seem to be the most concerned about the comfort and well-being of terrorists and murderers. Those who ask our trust are the worst betrayers of that trust.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 12:45 AM (0yYS2)
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1) first verify - This expose' is real short on any verifiable details and I have seen quoted 8-10 facilities & 30 to 100 prisoners - do the math ... seems kinda stupid to build a "facility" when your space requirements appear to be the equivalent of a coupla hotelrooms.
2) the yemeni story is old news - and as far as I can tell never successfully verified. The original story has some pretty weird and outlandish claims too as I recall. Seems they've toned it down a bit save the ninja suits. Personally I rate it up their with the Koran flushed down the toilet story from Gitmo. I know Army toilets - a few Bounty towels will clog those damn things.
The left EXPECTS AND WANTS US to say "so what!" They actually use that as prove it must be true. Don't give them jack. Let's get the facts first then defend if necessary.
Never assume the stuff from them (MSM) is true. Like that wedding in Iraq at 2 in the morning with video shot immediately by guests (in direct sunlight of course) - or American soldiers raping an Iraqi woman (photos courtesy a porn film from Hungary. I could easily go on.
Posted by: hondo at November 03, 2005 01:08 AM (ymtSt)
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Hmmm...Was it "Western" or "Country Western" music being played? Can make an argument that CW is torture....
Posted by: MKL at November 03, 2005 01:41 AM (cKX2r)
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There's a reality show in Britain, where the contestants are submitted to same kinds of torture/"torture" the Abu Ghraib prisoners/"prisoners" allegedly/"allegedly" receive. By what I've watched, that music thing seems to be damn near to killing them. I pretty much hate most music and movies, so music all day long, especially Aquilera or country music, would be way worse than for example hanging upside down over a pile of shit.
Posted by: A Finn at November 03, 2005 04:28 AM (cWMi4)
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As a freedom loving brit in FULL support of George n' Tony, i really don't give a shit about the welfare of terrorists conditions/treatment in custody. There is a huge debate and struggle going on in UK 'cause some normal folks want to simply deport undesirables back to where they came from. However, due to some "human rights act" which most of europe has signed up to, it prevents the return of anyone to their own country if that country has the death penalty or "questionable" detention/interrogation methods. Who gives a damn what happens to scumbags/terrorists etc. if their guilt is proven. It would be better to simply hang them and bury them in pigs offal while islamic clerics were made to look on. They would no longer be eligible to enter paradise and no 72 virgins either. The affects around the world of such action would put suicide bombers out of action overnight.
Posted by: dav t at November 03, 2005 07:24 AM (wI1q4)
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ditto, ditto, maybe, really?, ditto, and Vinnie: bravo.
Posted by: Impatient Girl at November 03, 2005 09:05 AM (ftixA)
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I'm with ya dav t; I say wire the bastards up and plug 'em in until they feel chatty, then put 'em to work mucking out pig barns.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 09:50 AM (0yYS2)
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Does torture give verifiably positive results ? Is the intel obtained good ? How did Americans like "Stockholm McCain" react ? What are the possible down sides of using means such as these? Should they have been used in other wars ? i.e. "the cold war" or "the war on drugs" ? Is torture against the principles of our own religion ? Might such behavior result in us winning the battle but losing the war ? Certainly if there was a unanimous opinion on this at Langley these "secrets" would not have been put forth for public scrutiny.
Posted by: john Ryan at November 03, 2005 09:59 AM (ads7K)
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Yet another story wrote simply to smear the administration, the problem with these stories of "secret prisons" where jihadi's are kept in a perpetual twenty-four hour state of depravation/torture is this:
1. If it is a secret prison, it is most likely that the U.S would disavow holding the people detained, because if they did not they would be required to give access to humanitarian organizations, independent medical examiners etc.
2. If the prisoners are disavowed, they will never face trial, as their intelligence usefulness degrades the longer they are in captivity they become more of a liability to maintain than they're worth.
3. With the above in mind, it would be easier to detain the prisoners on a civilian boat or oilrig, in cargo containers, once the detainers intelligence worth is degraded to a point they're no longer worth keeping, one could execute them and destroy/bury the body at sea, without risking an international incident.
If the CIA was a quarter as apt as hollywood and the media portray them, these people would have been kidnapped/assassinated from countries all over the world in a program pushed by deniable culpability, like the so called "Wet works" programs Hollywood would have us believe goes on.
Posted by: dave at November 03, 2005 10:19 AM (CcXvt)
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"If the CIA was a quarter as apt as hollywood and the media portray them..."
Thanks for that. People who think the CIA is an infallible shadow brotherhood, like a bunch of ninjas with James Bond gadgets, need to remember this: the CIA hired Valerie "Vanity Fair" Plame.
Posted by: File Closer at November 03, 2005 07:06 PM (xvfRU)
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The CIA hasn't been anything but an Ivy League country club for analysts since Jimmah tried his hand at screwing things up. Carter should be hanged as a traitor, there is more evidence against him than Bubba and Hitlery combined.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 08:22 PM (0yYS2)
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