January 16, 2006
About that Wondrous Caliphate
Muslims never tire of telling you how back in the good-ol-days of the Caliphate Christians, Jews, and Muslims got along like peas in a pod. A description of Jerusalem ca 1700:
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The Muslims do not allow entry to the Temple area to any member of another faith, unless he converts to their religion-- for they claim that no member of another religion is sufficiently pure to enter this holy spot. [more] ..No Jew or Christian is allowed to ride a horse, but a donkey is permitted, for [in the eyes of Muslims] Christians and Jews are inferior beings [more]
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Yeah, they all get along famously - as long as a certain group behaves like good dhimmis.
More (but not all) dhimmi rules:
* dhimmi people had to cede the center of the road to Muslims;
* the only animal they could ride was a donkey;
* they could not testify against a Muslim in court;
* they could not build houses taller than those of Muslims;
* they could not build new places of worship;
* they had to pray quietly so as not to offend the ears of passing Muslims;
* a dhimmi man could not so much as touch a Muslim woman but a Muslim man could take Jewish or Christian women as wives;
* a dhimmi could not defend himself if physically assaulted by a Muslim;
* dhimmis could not bear arms;
* dhimmis had to pay a special tax every year and were treated in humiliating fashion when paying it;
* in public, dhimmis had to wear distinctive clothing, intentionally designed to be humiliating;
* at least in the 9th century, dhimmis had to nail wooden images of devils to their doors
Posted by: Oyster at January 16, 2006 05:35 PM (YudAC)
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Now you know why the Muslims wish for a return to the Caliphate. It was very profitable for them.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 16, 2006 06:17 PM (rUyw4)
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Those were their glory days all right! What's really interesting is that they defined their successes by what they could do to others in Allah's name - and not by their own accomplishments.
During the "multi-cultural other civilizations" praise rage of the 70's & 80's, relativists were hard pressed to identify significant achievements from the Islamic world - a lot put out there in their name in math, medicine and astromony was heavily twinked and stretched.
Posted by: hondo at January 16, 2006 06:59 PM (3aakz)
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Either we destroy them or they will destroy us, there is no third option. the last 1400 years have shown us that though there can be periods of relative peace, they will never stop trying to subjugate the rest of the world.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 16, 2006 07:32 PM (0yYS2)
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"for [in the eyes of Muslims] Christians and Jews are inferior beings [more]"
So they had in 1700 reached the level of alabama in 1950? Oh well. Liberalism with force cured Alabama of its ills, and will cure the muslim world of theirs.
Posted by: actus at January 16, 2006 09:25 PM (TEHSD)
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Liberalism with force..........hahahahahahahahahahahahhhh!!!!!!!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 16, 2006 10:02 PM (rUyw4)
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"Liberalism with force..........hahahahahahahahahahahahhhh!!!!!!!"
Go back and read the racists over at the National Review of the time. They didn't like those federal troops and g-men working on stopping their 'peculiar institutions.'
Posted by: actus at January 16, 2006 10:44 PM (TEHSD)
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Liberalism with force huh? Sounds like fascism to me. I got some force for you liberal assholes.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 16, 2006 11:09 PM (0yYS2)
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"Liberalism with force huh? Sounds like fascism to me."
Yup. Its what ended segregation. Its gonna help in the middle east too. Liberalism and feminism is what they need.
Posted by: actus at January 16, 2006 11:19 PM (TEHSD)
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Caliphate sure sounds like black versus white situation in Republican parts of your country between emancipation proclamation (really don't care if I misspelled that) and Martin Luther Kings death.
RanCom: NOOOOOOOOO! It's nothing like that. Valuing people by origin is much more acceptable than picking on minority religions! That's the American way.
Ok... Is half the population treated like animals worse than a tiny fraction of population treated like insects? That's a tough one... but I'll say historical enemies treated like insects is more justified than former slaves treated like animals. So you were worse than the Caliphate and at a later date.´
RanCom: I hates yoooo!
Fine by me, but this is getting pretty skitso.
Posted by: A Finn at January 17, 2006 03:49 AM (cWMi4)
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"What's really interesting is that they defined their successes by what they could do to others in Allah's name - and not by their own accomplishments."
Hondo, my husband put it quite succinctly last night when he said that the only significant contribution to the world the Muslim culture has produced is the concept of "zero". How ironic.
Posted by: Oyster at January 17, 2006 06:19 AM (YudAC)
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"Hondo, my husband put it quite succinctly last night when he said that the only significant contribution to the world the Muslim culture has produced is the concept of "zero". How ironic."
Ever try multiplying and dividing with roman numerals?
Posted by: actus at January 17, 2006 08:48 AM (TEHSD)
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>>>Liberalism with force
Was that UNILATERAL force? or was a "global test" required.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 17, 2006 09:14 AM (8e/V4)
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It's not racism if its' LIBERAL racism:
"This city will be a majority African American city. It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans."
And Liberals can invoke God, but not Pat Robertson:
"Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it's destroyed and put stress on this country,"
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/16/D8F65JUG5.html
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 17, 2006 09:19 AM (8e/V4)
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Zero is a Hindu invention. The Mayans also had the concept. It is Islamic propaganda to claim otherwise.
Posted by: Rusty at January 17, 2006 09:20 AM (JQjhA)
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Arabs gave us the falafel, right? Or was that the Israelis.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 17, 2006 09:23 AM (8e/V4)
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"Was that UNILATERAL force? or was a "global test" required."
I don't know. I'd say there was a meeting of a global test. We were trying to spread freedom througout the world and here was alabama hanging on to racism and superiority. So there was a global test, in that we had to show the world we meant business when we talked freedom.
Posted by: actus at January 17, 2006 09:54 AM (CqheE)
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Actus, you must be the most stupid of all the leftists. You should have to read your own posts. Dog vomit is the best description I have, as you are like a dog that eats its own vomit, regurgitates, and eats the vomit again. Do you get your comments from Kos or DU? Dog vomit flows from both, so I guess there is enough for all you leftists.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 17, 2006 10:43 AM (rUyw4)
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Once again, rectus demonstrates how much he likes the taste of unwashed muslim men.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 17, 2006 11:54 AM (0yYS2)
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Thanx Rusty. I'll relay that info to Nin.
Posted by: Oyster at January 17, 2006 12:04 PM (osKlJ)
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actus
Liberalism and feminism as the solution? That's not bad! True, it can get subjective as to how we define both those terms and where to take them - but as a generalisation - I'd have to agree!
The force part however is a tough one - to be successful, it must be internal and I don't see a movement strong enough internally at the moment to do that. Those so inclined have a habit of moving - to the West.
I suppose you can impose a framework from the outside (which is what we are actually trying) but it can only be successful for building a basis - with end result still unknown.
Posted by: hondo at January 17, 2006 01:02 PM (3aakz)
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"Once again, rectus demonstrates how much he likes the taste of unwashed muslim men."
When its really just you that i'm after. *swoon*.
Posted by: actus at January 17, 2006 01:59 PM (CqheE)
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actus
You can multiply using Roman numerals - its easy and learned. A number system based on ten was being used long long long before the muslims - we just adopted their some of their symbols 'cause they were prettier.
Now if the West had contact with the East we might have adopted an Asian variant - theirs were even prettier though a lil' too complex in drawing.
Odd isn't it! We all (the world) adopted arabic numeric symbols becuse they were .... simple to use.
Guess you can say it was a relatively simplistic muslim development.
Posted by: hondo at January 17, 2006 05:06 PM (3aakz)
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Hondo, apparently rectus believes that before the symbol for zero, there was no concept of any number which we represent as ending with zero. He just can't see the forest for all the trees in his way. He probably thinks they built the civilized world by eyeballing all measurements.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 17, 2006 05:31 PM (0yYS2)
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"Odd isn't it! We all (the world) adopted arabic numeric symbols becuse they were .... simple to use.
Guess you can say it was a relatively simplistic muslim development. "
That's an interesting way to look at improvements in efficiency: as simplistic.
"Hondo, apparently rectus believes that before the symbol for zero, there was no concept of any number which we represent as ending with zero."
No. but there were roman numerals which are hard to divide and multiply with.
Posted by: actus at January 17, 2006 06:12 PM (CqheE)
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actus
It was a joke - a pun - What! No sense of humor either?
I've done it - it was relatively easy - albeit a pretty useless skill. Learned it in a course on elementary math teaching techniques back in EDU days. Brushed up against it in classical Humanities too - along with a brief intro long long ago from the nuns.
Posted by: hondo at January 17, 2006 06:27 PM (3aakz)
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Uh, Finn, you need to study up on your history, as it would be Democratic parts of the country that you refer to, not Republican. And you can't single out America with the slavery bit, as it is still being practiced by MUSLIMS in Africa. So why don't you take a flying f..k at a rolling doughnut. Dumb ass!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 17, 2006 07:25 PM (rUyw4)
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"And you can't single out America with the slavery bit, as it is still being practiced by MUSLIMS in Africa. "
Looks like we need to kick their ass like we did to the south.
Posted by: actus at January 17, 2006 08:40 PM (TEHSD)
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The problem is that you liberals can't do it. You aren't in the military and frankly you can't fight. So how do you intend to do it, whisper sweet nothings in their ears. Oh, I forgot, maybe that is how you intend to do it.
And please, actus, the slaughter in Darfur has been going on for how long now, and what have you liberals done but whine? Any suggestion to kick their ass by any of us would be met by the "race card". Go peddle your bullshit to someone who is stupid enough to believe it, i.e. Kos or DU.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 17, 2006 08:56 PM (rUyw4)
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"The problem is that you liberals can't do it. You aren't in the military and frankly you can't fight. So how do you intend to do it, whisper sweet nothings in their ears."
It's been done before. Ask the citizens of GA.
"And please, actus, the slaughter in Darfur has been going on for how long now, and what have you liberals done but whine?"
I've seen whining on both sides on Darfur. What has anyone done but ignore it?
Posted by: actus at January 17, 2006 10:41 PM (TEHSD)
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actus
No
Darfur doesn't affect me - and whatever happens - has no impact on me - you can understand that actus, can't you?
There are a lot of places like Darfur around the world - if they don't affect me (and I do look at the ramifications closely before deciding) then I don't care to get involved. Simple - were not too far apart on that now, are we?
Places like Darfur are actually helpful - you see they don't really need US power or involvement to be resolved - they need any power or involvement to be resolved - and there are many powers and groups of powers in the world.
Its an opportunity for them - a showcase of moral authority without the US! - but they don't - because the whole world is not watching and doesn't really give a fuck.
Which in turn .... is key to understanding the why of unilateral action - and failure of multi-lateral action.
Posted by: hondo at January 17, 2006 10:58 PM (3aakz)
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"It's been done before, ask the citizens of Georgia."
You have to go back to 1864. I'd say your contemporaries are hardly the men who marched through Georgia. But let me give the devil his due. In 1864 the North had about 6:1 advantage in numbers and about 80% of industry.
Liberals don't have an advantage in numbers, actually a minority, and no advantage in anything that matters. Not numbers, not industry, not military experience, not numbers in the military itself, and no other skills that would be useful in combat. Reading a book vs. target shooting would not be an advantage.
As for Darfur, my Sunday School has paid out several thousand dollars over the past few years to buy people out of slavery. I have also suggested that a small force of either mercenaries or the US go into Darfur and kick the crap out of the janjaweed militia. These mercenaries had already proven themselves in other parts of Africa, but the UN(with the help of liberals I might add) has intervened to prevent any member countries helping others by hiring trained mercenaries. So I have encouraged my representatives to get someone, anyone, to intervene, but to no avail. I would be willing to work with anyone with a plan to defeat the janjaweed and halt the genocide in Darfur.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 17, 2006 11:09 PM (rUyw4)
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Well said, hondo, well said! Just about any power with a heart could defeat the janjaweed and stop the genocide. But no one cares. A sad indictment of the rest of the World. Only the US will do anything, and it cannot do everything.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 17, 2006 11:12 PM (rUyw4)
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Example
The freakin' NYPD! could have stopped the slaughter in Rwanda - the only thing it didn't have was cargo planes - but I know where you can rent them in a NY minute.
Face reality - nobody gives a fuck if its not in their self-interest because there are risks and costs involved.
And self-interest is a tricky thing - some have a much higher tolerance for inaction because - well lets say it - their pussies - they won't throw a punch till they are flat on their back! - and then flail away at air!
Posted by: hondo at January 17, 2006 11:31 PM (3aakz)
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