December 17, 2005
Waiter, There's A Fly In My Bongwater
What the President said today about the NYT outing of a covert operation that doesn't have the name "Plame" attached to it:
In the weeks following the terrorist attacks on our nation, I authorized the National Security Agency, consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution, to intercept the international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations. Before we intercept these communications, the government must have information that establishes a clear link to these terrorist networks.
This is a highly classified program that is crucial to our national security. Its purpose is to detect and prevent terrorist attacks against the United States, our friends and allies. Yesterday the existence of this secret program was revealed in media reports, after being improperly provided to news organizations. As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have, and the unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk. Revealing classified information is illegal, alerts our enemies, and endangers our country.
As the 9/11 Commission pointed out, it was clear that terrorists inside the United States were communicating with terrorists abroad before the September the 11th attacks, and the commission criticized our nation's inability to uncover links between terrorists here at home and terrorists abroad. Two of the terrorist hijackers who flew a jet into the Pentagon, Nawaf al Hamzi and Khalid al Mihdhar, communicated while they were in the United States to other members of al Qaeda who were overseas. But we didn't know they were here, until it was too late.
The authorization I gave the National Security Agency after September the 11th helped address that problem in a way that is fully consistent with my constitutional responsibilities and authorities. The activities I have authorized make it more likely that killers like these 9/11 hijackers will be identified and located in time. And the activities conducted under this authorization have helped detect and prevent possible terrorist attacks in the United States and abroad.
The activities I authorized are reviewed approximately every 45 days. Each review is based on a fresh intelligence assessment of terrorist threats to the continuity of our government and the threat of catastrophic damage to our homeland. During each assessment, previous activities under the authorization are reviewed. The review includes approval by our nation's top legal officials, including the Attorney General and the Counsel to the President. I have reauthorized this program more than 30 times since the September the 11th attacks, and I intend to do so for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from al Qaeda and related groups.
The NSA's activities under this authorization are thoroughly reviewed by the Justice Department and NSA's top legal officials, including NSA's general counsel and inspector general. Leaders in Congress have been briefed more than a dozen times on this authorization and the activities conducted under it. Intelligence officials involved in this activity also receive extensive training to ensure they perform their duties consistent with the letter and intent of the authorization.
This authorization is a vital tool in our war against the terrorists. It is critical to saving American lives. The American people expect me to do everything in my power under our laws and Constitution to protect them and their civil liberties. And that is exactly what I will continue to do, so long as I'm the President of the United States.
Apologies to the slack-jawed bushliedpeopledied set. I know it hurts when reality slaps you upside yer melon.
stein hoist to Steve and Robbo's House Of Culture and Gossip
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Countdown to an ACLU lawsuit for release of all national security information gathered in 10,9,8,7.... but it'll only be to protect you from the 'evil' Government, and the damage it causes will be outweighted by the fact the ACLU won a lawsuit against the BusHitlerMcChimpyHaliburton Administration.
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 06:24 PM (CcXvt)
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Screw the ACLU. All I want to know about this program is two things: First, is it catching terrorists. It certainly seems to be. Second, is it constitutional. There, we have a problem. Bush claims it is, but the Constitution itself says otherwise. He is relying on legal opinions nobody's seen -- and Harriet Miers! -- to make this determination. I remain unconvinced that the program is constitutional, whether it's "only" targeting terrorists or not.
And the
national security argument on this one is bullshit, too, which anyone who's actually IN the intelligence community can tell you. Nothing the Times printed jeopardizes the program in particular or national security generally.
Posted by: IO ERROR at December 17, 2005 07:03 PM (vhWf1)
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Thank god we have the CIA!
How else would we all hear about the juicy clandestine programs in the morning newspaper?
Just think, in the past we used to have these "national security" programs that remained secret for decades, now we get to read all about them: realtime, like a Tom Clancy novel!
I heard the same defense for the papers leaking that the United States were intercepting phone calls made by Bin Laden on his Satellite telephone.
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 07:13 PM (CcXvt)
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The New York Times is redefining the "Classified" section.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at December 17, 2005 07:56 PM (DdRjH)
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Liberal democrats are idiots. Just takes time to prove it. Over and over and over and over again.
IO Error: If the constitution says we cannot use every means are our disposal to protect ourselves then it is time to change it. Remember when it was written and by whom and what did they mean at the time. Then was then. Now is now. Things and conditions change. We either change with them or perish.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 17, 2005 08:26 PM (TBvsM)
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The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
Benjamin Franklin
Posted by: G at December 17, 2005 08:48 PM (dQQ0n)
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Always amazing when the idiots trot out the same old tired quotes of the things the 'founding fathers' said they agree with, and then totally disregard anything else they said, that they don't agree with.
Hey G, you might want to next time quote him verbatim, if you respect Benjamin Franklin so much:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
How about this one:
"I've lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing Proofs I see of this Truth
That God governs in the Affairs of Men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his Notice, is it probable that an Empire can rise without his Aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that except the Lord build the House they labor in vain who build it. I firmly believe this, —and I also believe that without his concurring Aid, we shall succeed in this political Building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our Projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a Reproach and Bye word down to future Ages."
Benjamin Franklin.
Did he just say God? someone please page the ACLU.
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 09:06 PM (CcXvt)
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Yesterday the white house was all like "shhh, we can't talk about it. Security." Today they blab and blab. Security. Sure.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 10:08 PM (YViDI)
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I want to see the leakers who gave this data to the press punished and an explanation from the press why they have acted so reckless with utter disregard for national security and the safety of the America n people.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at December 17, 2005 11:07 PM (1fKmK)
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Ask Karl Rove (hee hee hee)
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 11:11 PM (3aakz)
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>>>The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
This isn't about "freedom", it's about privacy. Please don't try to confuse the two just so you can unfurl your pithy sayings that don't even apply.
I don't have less freedom because I might have less privacy. We sacrifice privacy all the time. And if we can sacrifice privacy for the sake of our credit rating, I'm sure we can make a far smaller sacrifice of privacy for our national security, and for our very lives.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 11:47 PM (8e/V4)
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It never ceases to amaze me how rectus manages to so completely miss the mark every time. For someone who can string together a sentence better than the average moonbat idiot, he's still not too damned bright.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 01:00 AM (0yYS2)
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IM,
they are SUCH morons. They operate on platitudes and emotions. It's unbelievable. We're talking about privacy, but let's quote Benjamin Franklin on freedom! yippee! score one for the good guys! morons.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 01:14 AM (8e/V4)
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Agent Smith quotes Benny Goodman.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 18, 2005 06:57 AM (+5j5X)
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"Thank god we have the CIA!
How else would we all hear about the juicy clandestine programs in the morning newspaper?"
Why would the CIA know about an NSA program?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 09:00 AM (YViDI)
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Actus: was that a serious question?
Who do you think provides signal intelligence to the CIA?
You might have watched a few too many episodes of the X-Files, the NSA/CIA do work together.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 11:02 AM (CcXvt)
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"Who do you think provides signal intelligence to the CIA?"
THe NSA. And why would the CIA know about the executive order the NSA was working under?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 12:34 PM (YViDI)
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Obviously because of operating procedures, the CIA would be the ones to analyze and identify the foreign parts of the communication, they would know who intercepted the information (NSA) and why it was intercepted.
I guarantee the analysts at the CIA have the security clearance to analyse anything handed to them by the NSA.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 01:00 PM (CcXvt)
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"I guarantee the analysts at the CIA have the security clearance to analyse anything handed to them by the NSA."
Sure. but the article talked about much more than what the CIA needs to analyse.
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 01:54 PM (YViDI)
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The goal of an analyst is to extract needed information, from raw data, all available data is then given to them.
I doubt that an analyst would be the one doing the leaking, however they are managed, by people that are well versed in both matter of policy, and the contents of the data.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 02:04 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave,
Just keep marching in lock step.....
Posted by: G at December 18, 2005 04:02 PM (dQQ0n)
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Yes, Dave, please stay in step.
With reality.
Remember.
No matter how much you may ever doubt your own sanity.
You're doing better than G.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 04:42 PM (0yYS2)
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I'm not so sure, he feels the need to put words in Ben Franklin's mouth. He must be one of the great ones.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 06:03 PM (CcXvt)
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Great? Hell, he's a legend in his own mind!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 10:44 AM (0yYS2)
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Smear and Loathing
Harold Bloom is purportedly, as the
Guardian notes in their story header for Bloom's
American epitaph (Bushitlerburton, that tired cliché again), a "celebrated critic". They neglect to mention who celebrates him, if anyone, outside academic cloisters. Certainly not me, and I also understand why he is a critic, rather than one of the classic American authors he admires.
The man can't write. His words reveal a brain that is a walk-in closet packed with disjointed literary tidbits hung in mismatched sets and hateful paranoid fantasies lurking in the shoeboxes.
He wanders on for hundreds of words when his entire message can be summed up thusly, "I'm an old partyline Democrat and I hate Republicans in general and George Bush in particular, and Americans are stupid for voting him into office". That's it, all Bloom has to say. Yet he drags out this message with inappropriate and boring literary references and unfounded lunatic fringe innuendo until one just wants to scream at him, "Enough! Pass gas in the President's general direction and be done with it, you senile old misanthrope."
more...
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Hateful paranoid fantasies lurking in the shoeboxes...
In Knoxville, says Agent Smith, in Knoxville!
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 01:54 AM (oC6D4)
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Check out a funny site dedicated to the absurdity and satire nature of saying "It's All George Bush's Fault!"
http://www.itsallgeorgebushsfault.com
Regards,
Notta Libb
Posted by: Notta Libb at December 17, 2005 03:44 AM (IRfdO)
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In the middle of his article is this:
"Without any particular competence in politics, I assert no special insight in regard to the American malaise."
Perhaps he should have started the article with that and saved all of us the agony of reading until that point.
Harold Bloom did not reveal even one more tired cliche or unfounded allegation we haven't heard a thousand times. Perhaps they should bestow on him the title "Moonbat Extraordinaire" rather than the title "Acclaimed Critic". Those who continue to assert that which has been thoroughly debunked and disproven are seriously lacking in either comprehension skills or are guilty of that which they accuse others of - blind following.
Posted by: Oyster at December 17, 2005 06:08 AM (YudAC)
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He
is a deep, thoughtful literary critic, & was mentor to fiery independent Camille Paglia. However, he should stick to his field & not embarrass himself by pontificating about things he knows nothing about (which is Chomsky's job)
Posted by: beautifulatrocities at December 17, 2005 08:42 AM (hR3ut)
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But beautiful, don't you know that if you're a liberal, a talent in one area makes one an expert in geopolitics as well as prose?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 01:01 AM (0yYS2)
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December 16, 2005
Secrets And Lies
So, what's the other
bury the Iraq election big news of the day.
Supposedly, the President secretly ordered the NSA to spy on American citizens.
Well, there are far too many places debunking this utter garbage to link them all. Besides, I know you are well informed (trolls excepted), and have already read the vast deconstructing going on.
But let's just say that this really is the big revelation the New York Times says it is.
Would you be shocked? Horrified? Aghast?
If you are any of these above, then answer me these:
Do you have cameras atop your stoplights?
Have you ever taken money from an ATM?
Ever gone inside a convenience store? A bank?
Have you ever applied for credit? How about a job? Particularly one that requires a "background check?"
How about filing your tax return?
Have you ever passed a law enforcement officer holding a radar gun?
Oh, here's a good one; Have you ever purchased a firearm?
Ladies and gentlemen, your government, at all levels, has been spying on you since your parents filled out the birth certificate and put your cute footieprints on the card.
I don't like it. I hate it. But that's the way it is. Sadly, not enough of our population hates it, and most just accept the next erosion of liberty as the cost of living in a free country.
What a sad state of affairs it is when the New York Times puts the nation at risk by publishing leaks of classified information used to gather information on potential terrorists, while ignoring the real crimp on our liberty that goes on every day in full view of an uncaring public.
Seditious bastards.
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The defeatocrats will do ANYTHING, including jeopardize the security of us all, if it will help them regain power. If they can hurt George Bush, they'll do ANYTHING to accomplish that. They're actually willing to gamble with the lives of the American people if it will cause political damage to the President. It's disgusting and seditious and somebody's got to do something about it. I just hope to god that the vast majority of voters out there are taking this all in and will make these bottom-feeders pay big come election time.
Posted by: Richard at December 16, 2005 11:21 PM (W8EsU)
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Read the Times story very carefully - there may well be a very good chance this may blow up in their faces. We know the release is a promo for a book, and we know how much they hate Bush -
- at the same time, they minced their words very very carefully on some extremely critical points. More to follow ...
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 11:46 PM (3aakz)
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If your serious about following this in detail without the hype or hysteria, I recommend The Captain's Quarters Blog - no offense Rusty.
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 11:54 PM (3aakz)
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Interesting...even the
Washington Post is jumping on the Times over this.
The paper offered no explanation to its readers about what had changed in the past year to warrant publication. It also did not disclose that the information is included in a forthcoming book, "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration," written by James Risen, the lead reporter on yesterday's story.
In a statement yesterday, Times Executive Editor Bill Keller did not mention the book....
Tom Rosenstiel, executive director of the Project for Excellence in Journalism, said it was conceivable the Times waited to publish its NSA story as the Senate took up renewal of the Patriot Act....
The Times admitted last year that much of its reporting on Iraq's weapons programs before the war was flawed. The principal author of those stories, Judith Miller, later spent 85 days in jail to protect the identity of an administration source in the CIA leak case....
The Times announced last week that it was replacing its deputy bureau chief in Washington, which outsiders read as a sign of the paper's dissatisfaction with its Washington coverage.
Posted by: IO ERROR at December 16, 2005 11:58 PM (FVbj6)
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Agent Jones says The Architect is very angry his cat was let out of the bag. Now you podlings just stay where you are and pretend you're in control of your oblivious lives.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 01:56 AM (oC6D4)
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"Ladies and gentlemen, your government, at all levels, has been spying on you since your parents filled out the birth certificate and put your cute footieprints on the card."
There are things that are tracked in public and things that are not tracked in public. Sure there is often confusion between the two, but the latest revelations are not of tracking of public info, but of private stuff. Ie, stuff which requires a warrant by law or the constitution.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 12:31 PM (YViDI)
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This "news" was released the day after the Iraqi election. Hmmm, I wonder why???
Unemployment is down, consumer prices, down, inflation down, productivity up, and of course the wildly successful Iraq election.
So what does the NYTimes report? yesterday's news:
CONGRESS MEMBERS WERE BRIEFED ON EAVESDROPPING -- A DOZEN TIMES
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/17/D8EI32N00.html
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"CONGRESS MEMBERS WERE BRIEFED ON EAVESDROPPING -- A DOZEN TIMES"
so? what about the rest of us plebes? We also would like to know if teh president is secretly acting illegally.a
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 01:09 PM (YViDI)
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rectus,
two things. First, if Congress knows, then it's not "secret". Second, if it were "secret" doesn't make it illegal.
So please tell me how this is either of those-- keeping in mind that the War on Terror is not about law enforcement with courtroom rules on admissibility of evidence, but WAR. Also keeping in mind that the info being intercepted are incoming INTERNATIONAL phone calls by known or suspected AQ operatives that cannot wait on the warrant process.
Please justify your argument in light of those facts, as well as 9/11.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 01:28 PM (8e/V4)
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an ps.,
Bush said his order was constitutional, was reviewed by legal authorities and that leaders in Congress were aware of it. He criticized the disclosure of the directive as improper.
What is illegal here is revealing classified information not open to the plebes.
Bush should call for an independend prosecutor to find the leaker and put him behind bars, starting with the NYTimes.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 01:33 PM (8e/V4)
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"First, if Congress knows, then it's not "secret"."
If its not secret then there's no problem publishing it either.
"So please tell me how this is either of those-- keeping in mind that the War on Terror is not about law enforcement with courtroom rules on admissibility of evidence, but WAR."
Why keep this in mind? the law is clear about how surveillance is to be done.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 02:13 PM (YViDI)
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You know all this drama could have been avoided if the U.S Government did what it normally does when spying on the United States citizens.
Have Echelon in one of our allies countries intercept the phone calls, microwaves, cell phones and data, then hand it to us.
I'm wearing my Greg strength tinfoil hat today!
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 02:34 PM (CcXvt)
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actus
The surveilliance is directed at possible AQ links, fundamentalist islamic extremists and the like. Broader than that would not only be illegal (yes I agree), but also FUCKING STUPID!
If this is narrowly focused (as is even indicated by the NYT) then what the hell is your problem?
Please! don't come back with a "what if - expansionist - angels dancing on a head of a pin argument!
If you perceive a danger here personally to you then spell it out. I don't - many here don't either feel threatened by it.
Unless you can convince the majority of this country that their in danger of having their links to AQ exposed - you ain't going nowhere with this. (see the inherent problem)
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 02:47 PM (3aakz)
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Only someone who is more interested in helping the terrorists or destroying the US would object to what the President did. Don't worry, Dave, the same one complaining about this had no problem with Clinton spying on domestic groups without authorization. What a hypocrit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 17, 2005 02:48 PM (rUyw4)
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Bravo, Vinnie, Bravo! Give Vinnie a "harumph."
Cameras at malls, in WalMart, Target, shopping center parking lots, post office, airports, heck, there was major security for the NHL draft in raleigh the other year.
The leftards need to clue in to the reality of modern technology.
Posted by: William Teach at December 17, 2005 02:53 PM (AkiXU)
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"If this is narrowly focused (as is even indicated by the NYT) then what the hell is your problem?"
The oversight system that we have to keep these things narrowly focused was what was thwarted. A system built because of executive branch activity that went beyond narrow focuses.
"Only someone who is more interested in helping the terrorists or destroying the US would object to what the President did."
Baby jesus said so himself.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 02:58 PM (YViDI)
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rectus,
obviously you THINK the law is clear on how surveillance should be done, because this has been in flux since 9/11. But here in fact, no law has been broken. It just looks bad. But looking bad isn't illegal.
And it only looks bad for people who refuse to understand the fundamental difference between gathering information to PREVENT an attack, vs gathering information to investigate a crime that has already been committed.
Traditional law enforcement operates under the latter premise (i.e., investigating AFTER the fact), while counter-terrorism operates under the former (i.e., trying to PREVENT an attack). See the diff?
9/11 happenned precisely because Liberals don't get it. Take for example the case Khalid Almidhar who in 2001 had entered the U.S. and would later help commandeer the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon. His lawyers argued that information about Almidhar's ties to AQ obtained through intelligence channels could not be used to launch a criminal investigation. The FBI warned that "someday someone will die" because of that decision. And they were right-- Americans DIED. Also do a word search on "able danger" for examples of how Liberals are getting Americans people killed.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 03:02 PM (8e/V4)
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actus
There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that this wasn't narrowly focused on AQ links.
I'm being specific - your still dancing around this point.
You and anyone else is not going to get anywhere on this if you continue to avoid the AQ topic connection and attempt to shift the focus to an abstract argument.
And your smart enough to know that - so this is just the Bushbash issue of the day. in a coupla days it will be something else.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 03:14 PM (3aakz)
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"Traditional law enforcement operates under the latter premise (i.e., investigating AFTER the fact), while counter-terrorism operates under the former (i.e., trying to PREVENT an attack)."
Which one of these is FISA supposed to handle?
"There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that this wasn't narrowly focused on AQ links."
But there is indication that it wasn't done according to the FISA act.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 03:18 PM (YViDI)
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actus
Domestic traffic according to FISA - A BIG YES - even according to NYT
International - out going and in-coming - selectively a BIG NO with very important qualifiers ...
Was FISA notified - appears so and told NOT their perview
(a point you can argue)
Was congressional oversight notified - appears so (get ready for the Jackie Gleeson routine from select democrats - hummmmmer hummmmer)
Total number in the hundreds apparent (NYT plays a game with vague "possibly thousands' add-on)
BIG POINT!!!! NYT states ".. Americans and others..". This is phasing that has a name in statistical analysis (I hated the subject and forgot it - any help Rusty)
It "implies" Americans being the primary and majority targets but provides no basis leaving the reader to assume anything from 51/49 percent to 99/1 percent.
Technically it states no such thing and could easily be the reverse 49/51 to 1/99. Its a common trick in advertising and it is legalese speak - its goal is to push or direct people to make a certain assumption or mental association without providing actual factual basis.
Again, the AQ links - if you can't dis-associate your argument from that point - then you won't get away with this.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 03:45 PM (3aakz)
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"It "implies" Americans being the primary and majority targets but provides no basis leaving the reader to assume anything from 51/49 percent to 99/1 percent."
So what? what do the numbers matter?
"Again, the AQ links - if you can't dis-associate your argument from that point - then you won't get away with this."
I think we can believe the administration when they claim that people are linked with al-qaeda.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 04:04 PM (YViDI)
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The numbers DO matter - pure and simple public relations -
If the targets are foreign students, resident aliens, tourists or even naturalised citizens - all in context with AQ/radical islam etc .........
Then the PUBLIC is not going to give a damn! Simple.
Believe the administration on the connection? That's Easy!
But therein lies your problem - you have to convince others that there is no connection.
See your problem now?
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 04:20 PM (3aakz)
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"The numbers DO matter - pure and simple public relations -"
Oh. I'm worried about the law rather than how moronic the admin looks when it breaks it.
"Believe the administration on the connection? That's Easy!"
I know. their record on intel? very clear.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 04:40 PM (YViDI)
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actus
Nobody even slightly believes you are worried about the law - this is just another bushbash with tiny legs no less.
Record on intel?
Interesting - If you want to make an argument that they are NOT conducting surveillance and targeting AQ links - but everyone else instead for all other kinds of reasons -
then make it.
If you can't or don't - then this whole "controversy" goes abosolutely nowhere.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 05:00 PM (3aakz)
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The NSAÂ’s activities under this authorization are thoroughly reviewed by the Justice Department and NSAÂ’s top legal officials, including NSAÂ’s general counsel and inspector general. Leaders in Congress have been briefed more than a dozen times on this authorization and the activities conducted under it.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/
The NYTimes endangers national security and the lives of the American people in order to boost books sales:
NYT 'SPYING' SPLASH TIED TO BOOK RELEASE
http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/12/16/20051216_220600_flash9nyt.htm
The Democrats endanger national security and the lives of the American people in order to gain political advantage:
CONGRESS MEMBERS WERE BRIEFED ON EAVESDROPPING -- A DOZEN TIMES
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/17/D8EI32N00.html
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 07:06 PM (8e/V4)
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"CONGRESS MEMBERS WERE BRIEFED ON EAVESDROPPING -- A DOZEN TIMES"
So? Does that make it ok?
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 09:16 PM (YViDI)
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Actus,
yes, it does. Because it means this has political oversight, and has had it all along. The NYTimes is just trying to make some cash, and the Libs are just grandstanding.
Now settle down, plebe. Let the patricians handle the running of this war.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 09:26 PM (8e/V4)
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yes actus
This dog don't hunt - sorry.
And if it plays out as I suspect - in time some will be blaming Karl Rove for setting up Risen & the NYT.
Key is the timeline - if this is old intel from immediately after 9/11 and the vast bulk in in the first couple of years - then the admin may be looking for a backdoor way "to leak" success stories.
Intel's value is only when its fresh - if this is old material - and the communication lines no longer active - then hey ...
There has always been aces in the back pocket of this admin - 4+ years on no further domestic attacks - why? they haven't forgotten about us or given up have they?
Nothing drives them polls or preps for some very important mid-term elections than some "details" on the success on the war on terror at home. Brought to you "forcibly and regretably" (ha ha) by the NYT.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 09:53 PM (3aakz)
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actus
Oddly enough - even if I was the sort to agree with you -
I would be telling you the same exact thing (only in a more cynical fashion).
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 09:56 PM (3aakz)
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"yes, it does. Because it means this has political oversight, and has had it all along. "
Political oversight? so if congress disagrees with this, they can just pass a law? Of course they would tell their constituents why this law was needed. The whole point of FISA is to have judicial, not political oversight.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 10:12 PM (YViDI)
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>>>"Political oversight? so if congress disagrees with this, they can just pass a law?
ah, yeah, actually. That sounds about right to me. If Congress doesn't like it, they pass a law.
But this isn't about legality, this is about Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 11:07 PM (8e/V4)
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"ah, yeah, actually. That sounds about right to me. If Congress doesn't like it, they pass a law."
How do they do that while keeping this secret?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 01:01 AM (YViDI)
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actus,
that's the whole point. If Congress doesn't like it, then it's not a secret worth keeping and they can make it illegal. doi!
I guess it's moot now though. Cat's out of the bag. Gee, thanks Libs. You've been a great help so far!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 01:09 AM (8e/V4)
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"If Congress doesn't like it, then it's not a secret worth keeping and they can make it illegal"
So Congress can leak this information if it doesn't like it?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 11:26 AM (YViDI)
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Ya know this is gonna backfire actus - come on now - admit it!
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 11:31 AM (3aakz)
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actus,
could you really be that dumb? I doubt it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 11:39 AM (8e/V4)
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I just wanted to pop in here and thank all of you for staying on topic.
Wow, those Jedi mind tricks really
do work!
Posted by: Vinnie at December 18, 2005 12:26 PM (Kr6/f)
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You guys are missing the point entirely; rectus wants the terrorists to have every advantage possible so that they can pull off another 9/11 before Bush leaves office, so as to hurt the chances of the GOP in '08. He can whine, snivel, and protest all he wants, but we know that's the truth.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 10:46 AM (0yYS2)
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Local Reaction To The Patriot Act Rejection
A haiku:
Hagel, you loser
No votes from me, you traitor
Yes, Osama smiles
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It's a great day for John McCain, Islamonutters, & Andrew Sullivan, & a bad day for the American people
Posted by: beautifulatrocities at December 16, 2005 10:09 PM (J/Gf0)
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Agent Jones opines on the Gulag Act:
My country tis of thee,
Once full of liberty, of thee I sing
Land of tapped calls & wi-fi,
Land where your secrets r'spied
Great undisclosed mountainside
Where Che-neey hides
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 03:11 AM (oC6D4)
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December 12, 2005
Son Says CBS' Mike Wallace To Have Competency Hearing
Chris Wallace, a Fox News anchor, and the son of CBS newsman Mike Wallace, stated on a radio show on Friday that his father has "lost it" and the family intends to have a competency hearing. The younger Wallace's comments came after being questioned about his father saying that the country was "[expletive]-up" for electing President George Bush.
From Newsmax:
"He's lost it. The man has lost it. What can I say," the younger Wallace lamented to WRKO Boston radio host Howie Carr on Friday.
"He's 87-years old and things have set in," the Fox anchor continued. "I mean, we're going to have a competence hearing pretty soon."
Wallace Jr. quickly dispelled any notion that he was joking. When Carr suggested that his comments were likely to be covered by NewsMax, he responded: "You know what? Fine. Go ahead. Call them. That's fine. I'll stand by that."
Chris Wallace also had this to say about Howard Dean's statement that the US would lose the war in Iraq:
"We are in a war. We do have 150,000-plus American soldiers over there. I mean, it's Tokyo Rose, for God sakes, going on radio saying we can't win the war."
Hat tip to
The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto, who always manages to pull the night shift.
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Wallace was never more sane.
Posted by: Howie at December 12, 2005 08:41 AM (D3+20)
Posted by: Howie at December 12, 2005 08:45 AM (D3+20)
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Wow, this has to be a hoax, because it's hard to believe someone in the MSM isn't a moonbat leftard.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 12, 2005 09:12 AM (0yYS2)
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I accused old Mike of being crazy as hell a long time ago. Glad to see that someone is finally listening to me.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 12, 2005 03:44 PM (rUyw4)
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>>>"He's lost it. The man has lost it. What can I say," the younger Wallace lamented to WRKO Boston radio host Howie Carr on Friday
because Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 12, 2005 05:39 PM (8e/V4)
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I KNOW old Mike Wallace has lost it...this is from the interview:
Q. What do you think of Fox News?
A. Well, my son [Chris Wallace] works for them. . . . [Fox News chairman and CEO] Roger Ailes is a man I admire very much.
Do you need any more evidence he's slipped his trolley?
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December 10, 2005
GOP Highlights Democrat Surrender Monkey Wing
The Republican National Committee has released a
new video featuring cut and run soundbites from prominent Democrats. Excerpt:
HOWARD DEAN:"The idear that we're gonna win this war, is an idear that unfortunately, is just plain wrong."
Each new soundbite is preceded by a white flag waving across the screen. Undoubtedly, the featured Dems will claim to have been misquoted or taken out of context.
The undeniable message, which comes at the end of the video, is that our troops and our enemies are watching the antics of the surrender donkeys.
Hat tip to The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler.
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I like it, I love it, I want some more of it.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 10, 2005 06:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Agent Jones thinks the white flag is not soaked in blood.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 10, 2005 06:50 PM (RfI6W)
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No, the white flag is not soaked in blood, or it wouldn't be white. The altar of freedom is soaked in blood, because freedom isn't free. And surrender in this war will unleash a torrent of killing the World has not seen since WWII. Do you think these people will be satisfied with Iraq? This is why we must win.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 10, 2005 07:52 PM (rUyw4)
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Agent Smith says that humans are like viruses and move from host to host until all resources are exhausted. In this Jesusland case, the terrorist virus is simply a plague riding horseback on the original plague. The Core Network has been defended by three agents since 2009.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 10, 2005 10:07 PM (RfI6W)
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Yes, Agent Smith, the jihadist virus has now been loosed upon the World. Plague is not the word for it, but it will suffice, for now at least.
This virus has plagued the World for 1400 years now, but a vaccine was found that worked for the last 300 years. Worked mind you, but the disease itself was not cured. Now the virus has mutated and is in the process of spreading worldwide. If a quarantine is not sucessful in Iraq, and the virus escapes, there will be a worldwide pandemic.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 10, 2005 11:15 PM (rUyw4)
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Agent Smith says the second virus strain is a loser virus strain that burns itself out during its flash-in-the-pan flareups. Agent Brown said to build a wall around it and let it wipe itself out.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 11, 2005 12:05 AM (RfI6W)
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The only viruses here are Bolshevism and it's slightly less virulent mutation Liberalism. Both viruses however attack a host country's immune system rendering the host more susceptible to internal and external attacks. Here the Liberal virus has made the host more susceptible to an internal attack in the form defeatism and surrender monkeyism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 11, 2005 12:58 AM (8e/V4)
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I love the new ad. Of course, the DNC is already whining, crying and moaning about how they're being unfairly "smeared" by those eeeeeeeevil Republicans. Hard to make that dog hunt when the ad faithfully replays the defeatocrats' own words...
Posted by: Insomniac at December 11, 2005 01:25 AM (6krEN)
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I still can't figure out how it's an attack to simply quote someone verbatim. Oh well, just more proof that the dhimmicrats should all be shot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 11, 2005 09:17 AM (0yYS2)
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Its about time the GOP grew some balls and called it like it is. Right on!
Posted by: LC CanForce 101 at December 11, 2005 05:09 PM (3smJS)
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December 06, 2005
Howard Dean Traitor and Ally to Zaqueery
Hey, don’t take this Michael’s word for it. How about Michael Reagan son of the late great President Ronald Reagan who seems to know what country he lives in? Seriously Howie Dean, Howie gets all miffed when he googles himself and you are polluting my search. Go away boy you bother me. So while Mr. Dean is just the kind of energy the Democratic party needs to fisk it’s problems, the traitor thing kind of hurts. Don’t you think? If traitor Dean put that energy to exposing the enemy what good he could do! I admit I was kind of entertained by the “OH YEAH” stuff, heck I like good comedy. But I fail to find the humor in Mr. Traitor’s latest comments.
Dean Via WOIA:
What we see today is very much like what was going in Watergate," Dean said. "It turns out there is a lot of good evidence that President Bush did not tell the truth when he was asking Congress for the power to go to war. The President said last week that Congress saw the same intelligence that he did in making the decision to go to war, and that is flat out wrong.
OK Mr. Traitor, Howie says Mr. Bush is not our enemy. Drop me a line when you wake up to who the actual enemy is. Once again the Left attacks America and gives terror a free pass.
The highly respectable Michael Reagan Via Newsmax:
Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason or put in a hole until the end of the Iraq war!"
Now thatÂ’s a good idea.
Why is it that Joe Lieberman seems to be the only sane Democrat left in America today.
And why is he under attack for loving his country? The Left has abandoned the platform that kept it relevant and acceptable to Americans in the middle since FDR in favor of attack politics and treason. Right now IÂ’m considering my first strait ticket ballot ever in my life. I really thought Dean would be good and bring energy and core Democratic values to the Democratic Party. It seems now that hating America and loving terror is a core Democratic value.
Others: Captain Ed, Rightwingnews and Dr. Sanity to name just a few.
Oh I forgot Hat tip: Cube neighbor Dave.
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So, do we have any takers on putting Dean in a makeshift hole_until the war is over..and then some?
Posted by: thirdee at December 06, 2005 09:57 AM (1YjD5)
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The hole should include toiletries, food and satellite television.
Posted by: thirdee at December 06, 2005 09:59 AM (1YjD5)
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I think he deserves panties on his dumn head. Anything would be an improvement over having to look at him. He makes me sick.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 06, 2005 10:22 AM (rUyw4)
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Howard Dean is a joke! Keep is up Howard, Americans are listening to you and the GOP loves your platform you have. Prediction...If Billary gets democraps nomination, Dean is out. No way she can con herself as a moderate with this scumbag running the show!
Posted by: Andy Driggers at December 06, 2005 11:55 AM (tMU4W)
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He's a caricature of a hippie in a suit with the same burnt out mentality.
Posted by: Jane at December 06, 2005 12:04 PM (M7kiy)
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DUH HOWARD DEAN TRAITOR DUH
Posted by: Danny Alexander at December 06, 2005 12:43 PM (vpJUX)
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Howard Dean and his ilk, Michael Moron, Babs, Ward "Big Chief Two White Parents" Churchill, et al, are the best thing that could happen to America right now, because letting them run loose is like that scared straight program that prisons have, where they send in punk kids to spend time with lifers, to show them their future if they don't straighten up. In reality, the liberal traitorcrats are the "lifers" and We, the People, are the kids who need to be shocked into reality. We need to be made realize that if we don't start taking politics seriously, then our future will be run by those least worthy of such a great trust. Like the saying goes, just because you don't take an interest in politics, doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. So yeah, Dean's a traitor, along with almost every other dhimmicrat, and they should all suffer the lawful consequences of their treason, but for now, we need them to show us how bad things could get if we don't straighten up.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 06, 2005 02:11 PM (0yYS2)
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I still think we should give 'em half the country and then invade them when they screw it all up.
Posted by: Oyster at December 06, 2005 03:10 PM (YudAC)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 06, 2005 03:13 PM (0yYS2)
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Howard Dean is an asshole.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 06, 2005 03:52 PM (8e/V4)
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Howard Dean is just a typical Demoncrat!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 06, 2005 04:01 PM (rUyw4)
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But you do have to admit that with idiots like Dean, et al, around in '08, the GOP could field pretty much anyone and win.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 06, 2005 04:21 PM (0yYS2)
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maxie
That's why I love this guy!
Posted by: hondo at December 06, 2005 04:34 PM (3aakz)
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Does anyone remember
this statement from a year and a half ago?:
President Bush, in an interview broadcast on Monday, said he did not think America could win the war on terror but that it could make terrorism less acceptable around the world, a departure from his previous optimistic statements that the United States would eventually prevail.
See, Bush is way ahead of Dean in the "aid and comfort to the enemy" race!
Posted by: Malacandra at December 06, 2005 05:32 PM (q+O8H)
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Hey dumbass, GWOT and the Iraq war are not the exact same thing. Iraq is part of GWOT, but is not synonymous with it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 06, 2005 06:05 PM (0yYS2)
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Quite true maxie
2 different but related items - and the Bush comment was specifc to the overall war on terror.
It's on video Malacandra - so no wiggle room
The connection is yours for your purposes -
and YOU KNOW your playing a lil' fast n' loose with the truth.
Posted by: hondo at December 06, 2005 06:22 PM (3aakz)
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Let me make one point about "defeating terrorism": You can't, because terrorism isn't a party, nation, or ideology, it's a method. What you can do, however, is to hound and crush anyone who employs it, and make the repercussions for its use so onerous that nobody with even a tiny, miniscule, infinitessimal fraction of a brain, (which would probably include most, if not all muslims, fascists, communists, and other assorted leftards), would consider it a viable strategy.
Terrorists can be defeated, but terrorism cannot, so it's best to stay focused on realistic, achievable goals, and stay away from the talking head soundbites.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 06, 2005 07:22 PM (0yYS2)
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We can also minimise our chance of being screwed by terrorists by keeping likely terrorists from our shores. A ban on islam would be a good start. Laura Mansfield and other writers have exposed the mosques as breeding grounds for hatred against the west. This has been proven time and time again and yet we let these evil structures exist in our communities. The day will come when we burn them all and drive the vermin out.
Posted by: Jester at December 06, 2005 07:57 PM (wBDaS)
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Good point Jester, but we could get off to a better start by simply prosecuting violations of standing laws against incitement to violence. If we want the government to notice and start doing something, some famous Christian preacher should stand up and call for the eradication of Jews so that the media could make a big deal of it, and then we could expose them for the hypocrites they are, because they never seem to notice all the islamic anti-Jewish hate speech.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 07, 2005 09:51 AM (0yYS2)
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December 01, 2005
Is President Bush Against Christmas, Too?
I got my official White House Christmas card yesterday. It seems that the Commander-in-Chief is not exactly leading by example in the
Christmas vs '
holiday' debate.
Even though I'm not as emotionally invested in this debate as others, I do think it's nice to acknowledge a specific holiday, and would have liked to see a Christmas wish. I've never understood why people shy away from it. I've lived overseas and was always glad when someone wished me well on holidays-- even ones I didn't celebrate.
Here is the card I (and a bajillion others) received. Click for bigger view.

PS-I like the whole Bible quote thing, but it's kind of generic for a 'Christmas' card, isn't it?
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Rusty you cockbag! I thought I was the only one getting a card! GHADDDAMMMAT!
I mean, I am the one who sent the nekid pics to him during the year and all. DANG!
Posted by: Filthy at December 01, 2005 09:08 AM (5ceWd)
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Did you notice the postmark was from Crawford?
Yeah, I wondered why they'd put a Bible verse on there but not the word Christmas.
Posted by: GroovyVic at December 01, 2005 09:35 AM (u5Tfl)
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Yeah, I noticed that. I'm showing all my friends how 'special' I am to have received a 'personal' card from Bush.
Posted by: Rusty at December 01, 2005 09:40 AM (JQjhA)
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I wonder if Sen. Kerry's Christmas cards are postmarked from Cambodia. Gotta check on that...
Posted by: Wine-aholic at December 01, 2005 09:58 AM (fgZZg)
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Go to the Fox News website and check out their Fox News HOLIDAY ornaments. There is also a line of HOLIDAY ornaments from O'Reily. HA HA HA!! You people are so fucking ridiculous.
Posted by: A Guy at December 01, 2005 10:25 AM (uuJOn)
Posted by: CDB at December 01, 2005 10:50 AM (iHfod)
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My God,
This web-site is full of Saddamites and rejectionists.
Why, oh why do you hate Christmas.
May God have mercy on your souls, now pass the butter and guns and bibles.
-GSD
Posted by: Granite State Destroyer at December 01, 2005 10:51 AM (XRIh/)
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This is an example of the right-wing being wrong yet again, in not supporting equality of religion in the US, but rather succumbing to the arrogance that comes from being in the majority - on religion in this case.
Our country was largely founded on protecting the rights of individuals, and yet the right is happy to take advantage of majority status on too many issues to give themselves advantage.
The US does not have an official religion, and while the majority gets its appropriate benefit that the period is treated as a national holiday, and certainly recognizes that most Americans are celebrating Christmas, that's not enough for the right. They can't let other Americans be treated equally by making the official government recognition inclusive of other Americans - they insist on treating them as second class citizens.
One of the dangers in the best form of government, democracy, is arrogance in the majority leading to restricting individual rights too much for people in various minorities.
Good Americans recognize the need for freedom and rights for a broad range of society.
The day any American is told he can't celebrate Christmas freely in his church, in his home, can't have publig gatherings organized by fellow citizens, let me know and I'll defend their rights.
Until then, the right, IMO, is anti-American in rejecting the 'holiday' messages.
Posted by: Craig at December 01, 2005 11:10 AM (l2qAd)
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Wolfowitz doesn't celebrate Christmas and surely he's getting a holiday card.
Posted by: Klaus at December 01, 2005 11:20 AM (JsQ+9)
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Oh shut up Craig, and quit your snivelling. I'm an atheist, and
I say it's Christmas, not some stupid, neutered liberal "holiday". I say Merry Christmas and I put up a Christmas tree. I may even sponsor a nativity scene this year in a public place just to piss off the liberals. Know why? Because it's an American tradition, and it's a pretty damn good one, well worth saving. Just because I don't hold the same beliefs as everyone else doesn't mean I have the right to screw it up for them, and neither do you or any other bedwetting liberal. Hell, even a muslim deli owner I know says Merry Christmas to his non-muslim customers, so get over yourself.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 01, 2005 11:22 AM (0yYS2)
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Thanx for the lesson, Craig. Now let me tell
you something. It's not the effort to be inclusive of other religions, nor even the "Holiday" greeting so much as the massive
exclusion of the word Christmas.
Like Rusty, I don't have much emotion invested in the issue, but I see the lengths some are going to to omit it by browbeating others. It's not just Christmas, it's an all out assault on anything related to Christianity. Some of it is pretty ridiculous. If you're too blind to see that then you're going to be spending some pretty miserable moments stewing over it. Now lighten up and quit acting like everyone here is guilty of what you're accusing them of. I'm sure there's someone out there who is. Go preach to them (oops, did I say
preach?)
Posted by: Oyster at December 01, 2005 11:47 AM (fl6E1)
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I see Improbulus and the rest of the Right Wingnuts are being as open-minded as usual. Do any of you remember the hissy-fits you all throw over "Political Correctness"? Now you're using "I do it so everybody else HAS to do it my way" illogic. Talk about a made-up, pointless, imaginary victimhood issue.
Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Happy Hanukkah. Joyeus Noel. Merry Kwanza. Happy Yule (for the Wiccans).
Happy Holidays for everyone! May you celebrate this season in whatever manner you wish.
Now get over it.
Posted by: Percy's PoP at December 01, 2005 11:54 AM (CMyz0)
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Boy, Remember when the liberals used to be accused of being whiny victims.
Now I can't worship beezlebub in public without getting an in your face assault from some whiny, self righteous conservative yahoo trying to stuff their hoky religion down my throat.
I always answer the "Merry Christmas" whiners with a hearty "Hail Satan"....
So, ye wingers, quit ye whining.
-GSD
Posted by: Granite State Destroyer at December 01, 2005 11:55 AM (XRIh/)
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Celebrating Christmas was by no means the norm when our country was founded. Some of the leaders of our country felt that Christmas was an English tradition to be disgarded. At the time of the Constitution's signing it was illegal to celebrate Christmas in Boston. You could get fined and thrown in jail. So, how does an "originalist" like Scalia deal with such a problematic historical fact? Like most conservatives, he ignores it.
Posted by: Bill at December 01, 2005 12:20 PM (Msfso)
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Once upon a time, you could have been thrown in jail for helping a runaway slave as well. Some old laws suck b/c they are too focused on addressing a 'historical fact' and hence they change. Maybe we shouldn't ignore that law... just to note the difference b/t ignoring and altering bad law... anyway, carry on with this boring debate.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at December 01, 2005 12:27 PM (Wsn+K)
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Hi, OT, but can someone help me find a 3-letter word meaning Jew? I'm stuck on this crossword puzzle.
Posted by: tubino at December 01, 2005 12:36 PM (npedF)
Posted by: Wine-aholic at December 01, 2005 01:20 PM (Wsn+K)
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So, know even the head Christian has abandoned the "true faith". Next thing you know the import of lions will raise sharply, it's a plot I tell you.
In any event Happy Chrismahanakwanzica to you all
Posted by: delen at December 01, 2005 01:22 PM (9mi0T)
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Say, Improbulus, what Christmas traditions are actually American, anyway?
Caroling?
Nativity scenes?
Christmas trees?
Santa Claus?
Celebrating the birth of Christ?
Or, maybe the American contributions to the traditions of Christmas that you are thinking of revolve a little more around the Christmas Eve Sale at your local shopping mall.
You've seriously got to be wacked out of your skull if you think Christmas is an American holiday. No wonder most of the world thinks we're so damn arrogant. To hear some of you people talk, you'd think Jesus Christ was born right here on Main Street, USA, locked and loaded.
Posted by: Not As Crazy As You at December 01, 2005 01:28 PM (Xrghn)
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My personal favorite Christmas tradition is the gathering around the Yule log and singing Mr. Garrison's "Merry F-ing Christmas." But, that may just be a Shackleford family tradtion. I dunno.
Posted by: Rusty at December 01, 2005 01:34 PM (JQjhA)
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Wine-aholic
Always thought the the Joo's were Korean
Posted by: delen at December 01, 2005 01:35 PM (9mi0T)
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The one from last year was blown up and framed. It's on the mantle where the dead deer used to be.
Posted by: thirdee at December 01, 2005 02:01 PM (458SF)
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It's called being polite. Something that
seems to escape too many people these
days. When you send someone a card, it is
supposed to be for their benfit, not your
own. When I send cards to friends who are
Christian, I send "Merry Christmas cards.
When I send cards to friends who are
Jewish I send "Happy Chanuka" cards. When
I dole out stacks of cards to business
aquintances I stick with a generic
"Season's Greeting and a Happy New Year"
to minimize the chances of offending
people whose religion beliefs I don't
know, nor would it be appropriate to find
out. The President is mailing generic
cards to people he doesn't personal know
and it would be inappropriate to single
out a particuliar religion. I feel
certain that the cards he sends to those
he personal knows are appropriate for
that person.
Posted by: Puddlejumper at December 01, 2005 02:19 PM (6zjU8)
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Celebrate CHRISTMAS or die!
Posted by: Jester at December 01, 2005 02:41 PM (wBDaS)
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Happy Festivus for the rest of us!
Posted by: Sirkowski at December 01, 2005 02:46 PM (A2Qsr)
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I thought it was the libs that tried to shove their tastes and beliefs down others throats.
Only under The Bush Crime Family could diversity become a bad word.
This debate is regurgitated from 1921 when Henry Ford first brought it up. Then John Birch in the '60s.
Silly wingnuts, X-mas is for kids!!
Posted by: omoom at December 01, 2005 02:54 PM (kmaBF)
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Why don't Bill O'Reilly take on the war against puppies? Those evil Leftofacists are always posting pictures of cats! That must mean they hate puppies and will torture yours the second Bush is out of office.
All Hail King Bush!
Posted by: John Gillnitz at December 01, 2005 03:21 PM (eHLUP)
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Liberal trolls are everywhere. Mention Christmas, homosexuality, muslims, abortion, or President Bush and here they all come.
If I had a blog, I would have the above mentioned topics on 24/7 just so the neo-libs could run up my site meter. I wish you libs would go find Kos, or else continue your posting at DU. Frankly, I'm bored with your dog vomit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 01, 2005 03:41 PM (rUyw4)
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Hey jesusland joe, you're like Shrub: can't take the heat, and unable to listen to those who disagree with you.
HA!!
Posted by: tommo at December 01, 2005 03:45 PM (kmaBF)
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Jesus died so you could go shopping.
Now shut up you stupid America hating Jesus killing liberals! I wish Cheney would just get it over with and start torture camps for all these liberal sheep! Maybe a good anal fisting by the few and the proud corp will help you appreciate Jesus and Freedom!!
P.S
Merry Christmas!
Posted by: jesusland twotooth at December 01, 2005 04:23 PM (YClF7)
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tommo,
I can take the heat, I'm just bored with the same old shit day in, day out from you neo-libs. Come up with something new, right now you are like a dog that eats its own vomit, throws it up, eats it again, blah...blah...blah. It's the same old rhetoric. You libs are brain dead!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 01, 2005 04:27 PM (rUyw4)
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jesusland twotooth,
Posing is just another tired old liberal trick. More dog vomit for you libs to eat.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 01, 2005 04:32 PM (rUyw4)
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Joe,
Does that mean I make it on to the torture list?
I can take it! I've been to a few frat parties in my time!!
Praise the Lord!
Posted by: jesusland twotooth at December 01, 2005 05:04 PM (YClF7)
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twotooth,
I don't know about you making it onto the torture list, but if you would just read your own posts, man, they violate all the Geneva Convention protocols on torture. Ugh!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 01, 2005 05:19 PM (rUyw4)
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Bush's cards are much more religious than those of Clinton.
Just because he doesn't say "Christmas" doesn't mean he is against saying it.
I personally feel that it is okay to say Happy Holidays until the holiday hits. We are still a long ways from Christmas, so I have no problem with Happy Holidays. Now, about the 23rd, I will start expecting Merry Christmas though.
Posted by: Roy at December 01, 2005 06:36 PM (CZ+e3)
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I know what Christmas is and what it stands for - I celebrate it as a Christian holiday.
I am confused what Happy is. I mean, there apparently is some kind of winter festivity going on with some - but doesn't it have a name? Is it some kind of snowflake or soltice type thing? I'd really like to know - is it a secret type thing? Did I miss something?
Oh well - Merry Christmas everybody!
Oh, and wow! Isn't it an incredible coincidence that the date and timeframe of this whatever event coincides with the celebration of Christmas and the birth of Jesus!
Posted by: hondo at December 01, 2005 07:23 PM (Jvmry)
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I think it is strange that you would pose the question as whether the President is "against" Christmas because he sends a religion neutral Holiday card. Yu experience abroad aside, most Christians don't want to be wished a happy Hannukah, and most Jews don't want to be wished a Merry Christmas. I believe this is an empirical fact, depsite you particular experience. So it makes perfect sense for the president to use an Old Testament quote and a relgion neutral greeting.
I'm a moderate, and I must say it is a bit strange how paranoid certain Christian groups are about the whole "war" on Chritmas (and Christians in certain circles). It's as if some of us can't recognize and take responsibility for the fact that Christians are the dominant majority in this country and conservatives are the dominant majority in the government. It is the time for Christian conservatives to take hold of the reigns and stop wih the paranoia and infighting and finger pointing(I'm mean really, President Bush "against" Christmas? Absurd.), Time to take responsibility or relinquish control. S or get off the pot.
Posted by: lazerlou at December 01, 2005 09:08 PM (J7EvK)
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And Hondo, the Birth of Jesus was not in December. It was moved to coincide with a pagan winter holiday to help convert Europeans to Christianity.
Posted by: Lazerlou at December 01, 2005 09:13 PM (J7EvK)
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*Sigh* Why doesn't anyone seem to realize that Happy Holidays started as a reference to Christmas + New Years (+ Thanksgiving, kinda)? We have three major "holidays" right in a row and, hence "Happy Holidays!" or "Tis the Season(Good lord which terrible PC liberal came up with that one? Season! Season for what, being a baby murdering Satanist?)!" I personally prefer Merry Christmas, but people and businesses can say whatever they want to say. Why is this such a big f-ing deal? And incidentally, I bought some Christmas cards at Macy's the other day and was wished a Merry Christmas by the clerk, who then cackled and said, "in hell!" before flying off on her broom to go sacrifice a few dogs to her evil goat god.
Posted by: mysteriousgypsy at December 01, 2005 09:42 PM (xQPmz)
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I know what you mean. Since you are such good friends with George W. he really should have remembered that you celebrate Christmas, and sent you the appropriate card. Must have been quite a disappointment.
Posted by: Kathleen at December 01, 2005 10:37 PM (rUds4)
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Agent Brown wishes you Happy Holidays, in the name of GAOTU.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 08:13 AM (fLJDr)
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lazerlou!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally, someone who knows the exact birthday of Jesus! Please tell us - scholars for nearly 2000 years have been trying to pinpoint it.
Believe the general opinion is the date is somewhere late year (eastern rites place it early new year (note all winter)-
Its called "by convention" aka mutual agreement placing it on 25 Dec - done a long long long time ago.
All cultures have holidays tied in to seasons and surprise! - they overlap! The early Germanic one revolves around the winter soltice (20/21 Dec) - your point is an old one - yeah - maybe - so - what's your point?
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 10:11 AM (Jvmry)
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I think Jesus would like for us to focus on more important issues. I'd almos be willing to bet He's glad that a war mongering tyrrant wouldn't use his name at all.
Posted by: blackshire at December 02, 2005 12:02 PM (HCMw2)
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Hondo,
My only point was that this "whatever" holiday does not really coincide with the Birth of Jesus, as you claim it does. I do not claim to know when his birth was, but if I remember it correctly it was sometime in the Spring and the Roman emperor who created the modern calendar was the one who changed it to December to facilitate conversion of Northern Europeans who were worshipping as pagans the birth of the sun, not son, already at the end of December.
Posted by: lazerlou at December 02, 2005 01:01 PM (pBKzg)
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Virtually every religion has some sort of celebration at or near the Winter Solstice. So what is the particular advantage of insisting that seasonal greetings specifically favor one faith over the others? Is this just motivated by a mean-spirited desire to make American Jews and other adherents of non-Christian religions feel less a part of their own country?
Posted by: trrll at December 02, 2005 01:30 PM (CKVO5)
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Lazerlou is right. Choosing the date for Christmas had nothing to do with the birthdate of Christ or any kind of "mutual agreement." It was part of a larger strategy of the Church to co-opt pre-existing holidays that revolved around pagan rituals. Such holidays also include Halloween. Also while, Easter was set according the pre-existing Jewish holiday of Passover, traditions like Easter eggs had their origins in pagan celebrations of the equinox. The Church had a long history of taking familiar pagan holidays and traditions and dressing them up in a Christian likeness. This is why the most orthodox of Christians abhor the celebrations that surround these "Christian" holidays, because their origins are not actually Christian, although many people have become convinced that they are.
Posted by: Not As Crazy As You at December 02, 2005 02:15 PM (tUL+j)
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lazerlou
You really don't know what "by convention" means do you?
Christians made the association with their holiday and Christ. So your telling them their wrong.
1) By what right do you claim to tell them their wrong? It's their beliefs, their religion, their history.
2) If your going to "challenge" THEIR date - your going to have to do better than a vague reference to some Roman Emperor and "correctly - spring?".
I give you a date agreed apon by Christians - you give me an attempt to pull a rabbit out of a hat.
trrll -
You are correct! But if you wish to celebrate the Winter Soltice, The Festival of the Snowflake, or any other "Happy" occasion - then have the freakin' courage and decency to give it a freakin' name - and stop trying to force us to accomodate you by eliminating ours!
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 02:29 PM (Jvmry)
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Hondo, if you want people to take you seriously you MUST learn the difference between "their" and "they're."
I'm not sure what your are arguing. I'm not telling anyone they are wrong. I'm just pointing out that Christ was not born in Decemeber. I believe that is a well accepted fact, even though nobody knows exactly when his real birthday was. I'm notmaking things up. Look it up.
Posted by: lazerlou at December 02, 2005 03:19 PM (pBKzg)
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hondo-"You are correct! But if you wish to celebrate the Winter Soltice, The Festival of the Snowflake, or any other "Happy" occasion - then have the freakin' courage and decency to give it a freakin' name - and stop trying to force us to accomodate you by eliminating ours!"
Since when is anybody forcing you to eliminate your own religious celebrations? Is anybody telling you you how to decorate your house? Is anybody censoring your Christmas cards? Is anybody coming to your church to dictate to you how you may pray? I will stand with you to resist any attempt to do that. But it is hard for me to see it as anything other than mean-spirited to take offense when a merchant--or especially, a public official--chooses to acknowledge everybody's holy days (which is, after all, what "holiday" means) without prejudice, instead of singling a particular religion out for special recognition.
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Also Hondo, pleae note the difference between "your" and "you're." Public schools not so great in the Red States?
Posted by: lazerlou at December 02, 2005 03:51 PM (pBKzg)
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Ha Ha
No spell check option with this blog - type fast - no preview.
Is that it? A nickel and dime grammatical analysis on pronoun utilization? My My - I was expecting something a bit more - hmmmmmmm - say creative.
Yes, an error on my part! How shocking! Therefore it must render everything I've said as irrelevant! you are obviously soooooo wise and astute!
FYI
Grammarians classify pronouns into several types, including the personal pronoun, the demonstrative pronoun, the interrogative pronoun, the indefinite pronoun, the relative pronoun, the reflexive pronoun, and the intensive pronoun. (In German it is a bitch!)
Oh, actually educated Blue State - a lil' Euro too. Actually, I'm quite educated but try not to wear it on my sleeve. Libs and left however seem to be enthralled by it, and literally "nail themselves to the cross" of their faux intellect (nail ... - ha - pardon the pun).
Anyway - back on subject. Is that the best ya got kid(s)?
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 04:20 PM (Jvmry)
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hondo,
Your(is that correct, lazerlou?) response to lazerlou lasered in on her. Haha!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 02, 2005 04:28 PM (rUyw4)
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Hondo, I wasn't noting your spelling, nor would spell chack have worked. I promise I'm a far worse speller thay you. But mixing up "you are" and "your" and "they are" and "their" is pretty bad. Just want you to seem credible to others.
Out of sheer curiosity, what is your level of education? (honestly)
Posted by: lazerlou at December 02, 2005 04:39 PM (pBKzg)
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"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." Thomas Jefferson.
Seriously, could we all just chill out. You guys stop trying to ban every Nativity creche in town, and you guys stop acting like "Happy Holidays" = "Allahu Akbar".
Don't you think we have bigger problems to think about?
Posted by: MegaTroopX at December 02, 2005 04:41 PM (yT/Rw)
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lazerlou,
Only an elite snob would be concerned about hondo's level of education. It's quite obvious to me that he is not only intelligent but has reached another level, referred to in the old days as being classically educated, and I am not referring to classic literature.
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Yes jesusland, I am an elitest snob, unapologetically. I am not "concerned" with Hondo's level of education, just curious. I'm also not sure what is obvious to you is obvious to the rest of us.
It takes some very poor reasoning to jump from "Best Wishes for a Holiday Season of Hope and Happiness" to "Bush is against Christmas."
Or that secular greetings imply that people are trying to "eliminate" Christmas, as Hondo put it. It is actually very, very paranoid.
Posted by: lazerlou at December 02, 2005 05:08 PM (pBKzg)
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spell chack? thay?
Credible to others? Interesting - isn't that for "others" to decide based on conceptual content? I will let others decide.
Spelling???? Never really mentioned anything about spelling 'cept the opening reference to "spell check" - a generic reference of course - there are in fact several check programs that include other aspects of grammar.
The issue appears to be pronouns - proper pronoun utilization seems to be very important to you - important enough to negate content?
My education level? Higher than 6th, lower than say .. 16.
It's not important. What is important is what you believe, what you feel, what you think, what you say.
Educational levels appears to be important to you. Why? Is that how you validate yourself - and of course - invalidate others? Is it a question of "documentation" and not substance?
A liberal and their "education" - so shallow, so elitist - are soon parted.
jesusland joe!
I should get a six pack for Christmas for this! All this a thunkin' is a givin' me a hadacke!
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 05:11 PM (Jvmry)
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Well, now, lou, I wouldn't ascribe paranoid to it. Hondo and many others are just concerned that the secular greetings, as you say, are a way for many to just ignore the religious aspect of Christmas. After all, that is the "reason for the season" as they say.
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Ok, last post.
Jesusland - Hondo and others are concerned that secular greetings do much more than "ignore" the religious aspect of Christmas. They argue that such greetings are the result of actively trying to "eliminate" Christmas itself.
And you seem to be unable to respond to the simple explanation that secular greetings are used becuse those giving them, either public figures or businesses acknowledge that other religions have holidays around the same time as Christmas.
It is the essence of paraoia.
I think the moer accurate explanation is that conservative Republican Christians are so paranoid because they have failed at advancing meaningful policy when they are the dominant religion in our country and the dominant party in our government. You would much rather feel persecuted and point fingers (even at your own awful president) than admit you have failed in your brief moment in time when you actually have the power.
To even suggest that President Bush might be "Against Christmas" speaks volumes. It is patently absurd, and that you all can't see that amazes me.
Posted by: lazerlou at December 02, 2005 05:33 PM (pBKzg)
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Hmm...I do believe paranoid might just apply to your latest post, lou. Nonetheless, the steak fanatic pizza is here, so one and all, Merry Christmas, and you too, lou!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 02, 2005 05:36 PM (rUyw4)
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Merry Christmas to you too! As Jesus would note, having love in your heart for all, even your enemies, is the only thing that matters.
Posted by: lazerlou at December 02, 2005 05:42 PM (pBKzg)
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And a "Happy Winter Snowflake Festival Of the Icicles and Dancing Penquins" to you lou.
BTY
Eeveryone note - the word holiday is derived from the ol' English Holy Day - with a clear inference of religious intent. Will there be any conflict in the future over that word?
I wanna be PC and not offend anyone soooooooooo to all ...
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 05:52 PM (Jvmry)
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It's not people who shy away from referring to Christmas, it's organizations who do it, specifically corporations, who like to make money and so employ the generic "Happy Holidays" as a way to appeal to the broadest possible audience (because they're capitalist.)
And since the "shopping season" now begins in late October, it incompases several holidays, not just Christmas.
Thus...Happy Holidays!
Posted by: argexpat at December 02, 2005 05:53 PM (QKbxw)
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What holidays? Can you be more specific.
I kinda uncomfortable celebrating something "we dare not speak it's name"
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 05:58 PM (Jvmry)
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Agent Smith thinks that in order to please the Armageddon Faction of the American Nationalist Party, George W. Bush deliberately declared a fatwa on Christmas to provoke the Antichrist to rear it's ugly head in Mesopotamia's Euphrates River.
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November 29, 2005
What Fallujah War Crimes?
Clinton Taylor's latest from Townhall:
WP is a terrible weapon, but it isnÂ’t illegal, and the charges are ably refuted in this essay by Scott Burgess. All that needs to be added to BurgessÂ’ analysis is some context: Fallujah was Al-QaedaÂ’s vision of paradise on earth, their ideal Taliban-style Islamic government, and it was hell. It was a nest of insurgent command and control, a site for making suicide vests and IEDÂ’s, and a slaughterhouse where beheadings were filmed and sent over the Internet to recruit more terrorists. (This slide show offers a chilling retrospective.)
Our troops are there to kill the enemy efficiently, not to inflict pain on them. When a bullet or a conventional explosive can do the job, it makes moral, tactical, and public-relations sense to employ it instead of WP. In this case, though, more Marines would have been killed had the Fallujah jihadists not been routed from their fortifications by the Willie-Peter rounds. Most of America sheds no tears for the head-hacking ghouls of FallujahÂ’s dungeons, who got no worse than they deserved, and who now reside where white phosphorus feels like a cool shower.
Read the rest.
Let's not forget that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had turned Fallujah over to 'Shura councils' that were enforcing Taliban-like Sharia law. Crimes such as owning Western CD's were punished in Fallujah with execution for the unrepentant.
And the Left still thinks liberating that city was a mistake? Perhaps they also think Europe should have been left to the Nazis since, you know, invading the Continent caused so many civilian casualites......?
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Offcourse it was a mistake, it meant the left's terrorist allies no longer had a haven from which they could fight the left's hated America.
All the better i say.
Posted by: MathewK at November 29, 2005 06:20 PM (pVHqF)
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Fallujah was a fine live place before Amreeka invaded Iraqi
Posted by: Malik at November 29, 2005 07:08 PM (bnZIS)
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Crack out the WP. The world needs more dead insurgents.
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at November 29, 2005 07:15 PM (WvUov)
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Incidentally Malik is from Iran. He might be interested to note that Zarqawi--who helped run Fallujah before the U.S. liberated it--has declared all Shia 'Murtadd Fitri' & 'kufr' (apostates and infidels).
Yes, I'm sure it was such a wonderful place to live under the Sunni shura councils.
Brilliant.
Posted by: Rusty at November 29, 2005 07:17 PM (JQjhA)
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A truly epic response. And I never knew Rusty was a Navy man.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at November 29, 2005 08:49 PM (sH4J5)
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WP is freakin' great, and I love to smell it in the morning; it smells like victory. Or teen spirit. Either way, it's good stuff.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 29, 2005 11:21 PM (0yYS2)
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Agent Brown calculates that "WP" in Improbulus Maximus' post above refers to "wet panties", color undetermined, probably pink, owner most likely "Ahmad Fadeel al-Nazal al-Khalayleh".
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Kos and the Left Betray Our Troops and Nation
Dear Markos,
You and the Left are sounding more and more like al Jazeera every day. You're blind hatred of the Bush Administration is endangering the lives of U.S. soldiers and embolding our enemies to kill them.
I know you 'love' America, but your 'love' of America is like that of an abusive husband who 'loves' his wife. You 'love' America so much that you will not let any opportunity pass to belittle and abuse her. You 'love' America only when America acts in exactly the way in which you believe it should act. When America gets out of line, you pull no punches.
Whether you 'love' America is beside the point just as whether an abusive husband 'loves' his wife is irrelevant. What I and the rest of America want is less of your proclamations of love, and more evidence of it.
From reading your blog I have come to the inevetable conclusion that you 'love' America so much that you are willing to kill it. I know you have the best of intentions for our great nation, but so does the abusive husband who really didn't mean to kill that bitch wife of his, but, you know, she just up and made him soooo angry that he couldn't help himself.
You have betrayed America with your perverse love in the exact way that an abusive husband betrays a wife. You are a traitor.
Your latest screed on the use of white phosphorous by the U.S. military in Fallujah is really beyond the pale. Equivocating between the U.S. military and the Saddam Hussein regime is exactly what our terrorist enemies do in their propoganda. You say:
Saddam tortured, we torture. Saddam used WP chemical weapons against insurgents and civilians, we use WP chemical weapons against insurgents and civilians.
Jeff
Goldstein responds to your the substance of your treasonous allegations here.
Perhaps you are unaware of this, but supporters of al Qaeda read blogs like yours and take them seriously. The reason they fight us in Iraq is that they believe, like you do, that the U.S. is the moral equivalent of Saddam Hussein. Each time you publish insane theories about the U.S. using chemical weapons, they eat it up.
If you actually believe that the U.S. is as bad as Saddam Hussein regime, then I suggest you grow a backbone and join the mujahidin in Iraq. The moral implications of your statements are that we are the bad guys. If such is the case, then the inevetable conclusion for you--or an Iraqi 'fence-sitter'--is that morality requires armed resistance to the U.S.
In fact, at a jihadi forum which I frequent, the terrorists and their supporters make the exact same argument that you are making. White phosphorous has become quite the hot topic lately 'proving' that the mujahidin are in the right and that the U.S. really is the Great Satan.
Thank you for legitimizing the jihadists and their belief system. They love Americans like you and use words like yours to benefit their recruitment efforts. See, they say, even the Americans now understand that their own government must be stopped.
Which is exactly the morally correct conclusion to reach if you actually believe the U.S. is guilty of systematic torture, mass murder, and the use of WMD against civilians.
If you believe this, though, than you have made yourself an enemy of the United States of America. No, not the Bush Administration, but the United States. The country which you love, but only insofar as she acts in the exact manner proscribed by you.
You are like so many member of the Communist Party USA in the late 1940s and 1950s who loved America so much that they gave our nuclear secrets to the Soviets. Their acts of treason, like yours, were done out of concern for the nation and for principle. They didn't hate the U.S., they loved it, but only to the extent that their love was conditioned on the U.S. acting in the exact way in which they thought it should act.
They, like you, believed a strong U.S. was a danger to world stability. Thus, in their own warped minds, giving the A-bomb to the Soviets was the only morally appropriate thing to do. It was for America's own good, they thought.
Markos, I don't mind it when you attack one of Bush's Supreme Court nominees. That's just domestic politics. But war is different. Tearing down our troops and comparing them to Hussein's murderous Republican Guard is outside the bounds of patriotic dissent.
And please don't hide behind your military service. Plenty of traitors have served in the United States armed forces and plenty of patriots have had no military experience. Benadict Arnold, Aaron Burr, and Lee Harvey Oswald all served with distinction before they betrayed the country. Bill Clinton, a patriot in my book, had no military record.
Last, you might argue that it is the actions of the troops that have disgraced our country and not your characterization of them. This is an idiotic thing to say when the morality of the actions are in dispute.
Using white phosphorous during a battle is a fact. Calling them WMD is a characterization---a choice of words meant to equivocate them with Saddam Hussein's gassing of the Kurds. It is your characterization--your choice of words--which degrades the soldiers who chose to use white phosphorous in the heat of battle to help the U.S. win victory over its enemies.
Facts are always morally neutral. It is human judgement that gives meaning to facts. By choosing to equivocate the use of white phosphorous to the gassing of the Kurds, you have morally judged our troops. You, in word and deed, have called our troops mass murderers. You have chosen to characterize them this way.
In light of that, I believe it would not be unfair to characterize you as a traitor. The kind of traitor that believes they are doing the right thing for the country that they love. But, alas, if you knew anything about traitors you would understand that the vast majority of them are well intentioned.
Cordially,
Rusty Shackleford
UPDATE: Apparently this has generated a lot of outrage. It should.
John Cole is pissed.
Confederate Yankee expresses righteouss indignation.
The Commissar, Dread Pundit Bluto, & Wunder Kraut agree.
Caedorioa has a slightly different nuance.
John at Castle Argghhh debunks the WP thing here.
Dean Esmay is right on here.
INDCent Bill makes up a new game out of this.
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Murtha Has History of Urging Cut & Run

Jason at
Generation Why does the yeoman's work of investigating Rep. John Murtha's (D-France) policy stances. The single greatest mistake made by the Clinton Administration was cutting and running from Somalia. Why, you ask? Because the financial and logistical force behind the warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid was a much more insidious and, at the time, unknown character:
Osama bin Laden.
As Jason notes in his excellent post, Murtha urged cutting-and-running from Somalia too--making the sacrifices of the men who died their vanity.
Osama had something of a religious experience while in Somalia in which he predicted that America would cut-and-run. When the U.S. did pull its troops from Somalia, some Muslims--including Osama himself--took this as a sign that bin Laden had mystical powers. Bin Laden would later recall to ABC News:
"Our people realize[d] more than before that the American soldier is a paper tiger that run[s] in defeat after a few blows," the terror chief recalled. "America forgot all about the hoopla and media propaganda and left dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat."
Even though the reason most Democrats have for wanting our troops to immediately withdraw from Iraq comes from a good place (not wanting our troops to be harmed), the lesson our Islamist enemies will learn from such a withdraw is that the U.S. is weak, just as they predicted. We cannot let them have such a victory. The time for the policy debate about a military action must be BEFORE troops are deployed. Once they are deployed, it must be the policy of the United States of America to win at all costs. Anything less will only reify the mystic worldview of Islamists in believing that Allah is on their side and will lead to more acts of terror around the world.
More from Jason at Generation Why.
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>>>"Our people realize[d] more than before that the American soldier is a paper tiger that run
in defeat after a few blows,"
Osama got it wrong. It's not the American soldier that runs in defeat after a few blows, it's these traitorous Liberals and their enablers in the mainstream media who are the bloody cowards.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 22, 2005 08:50 AM (8e/V4)
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Is it just me or does he look like Jonathan Winters' twin?
Posted by: Oyster at November 22, 2005 09:14 AM (fl6E1)
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A much more important question for all you dumb@sses, but is way above your head cause you are a bunch of dumb@sses would be
1)what were US soldiers doing in Somali to begin with.
2)what are US soldiers doing in Iraq to begin with.
Nothing besides screwing in other countries affairs where the US has no right to meddle.
When you continue a road of stupid policy, soldiers will die, in vain.
Murtha is giving you apes a great opportunity to jump back on the side of right, but instead you crawl deeper in the anus of wrong.
good luck pulling your head out.
choke on that turkey bluecoats.
Posted by: Jawa and all Jawa supporters....Suck! at November 22, 2005 09:31 AM (/3n/k)
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They were in Somalia to try to feed starving people you fucktard moron, a mission which was an outgrowth of liberal foreign policies, as exemplified by your golden boy Bubba Clinton. Tell you what, if I ever see you starving, I won't screw around in your affairs, since I have no right to meddle.
This post is a prime example of why all liberals should be rounded up and dumped into an abandoned strip mine, alive, then covered over and forgotten about.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 22, 2005 09:42 AM (0yYS2)
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well stated Improbulus! I would help round up the liberals and dump their sorry anti-American asses in the mine with you. Liberals and the MSM are the biggest threat to America's existance!
Posted by: Andy Driggers at November 22, 2005 09:49 AM (tMU4W)
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"1)what were US soldiers doing in Somali to begin with."
Good question, no good answer. We had no national interest in being there. However, once there the point becomes moot.
"2)what are US soldiers doing in Iraq to begin with."
We are there because we had a national interest in removing the Hussein regime. We are still there because we have a national interest in what sort of regime emerges. But, thanks for playing.
"Nothing besides screwing in other countries affairs where the US has no right to meddle."
We have a right to meddle in any country where we have a national interest.
"When you continue a road of stupid policy, soldiers will die, in vain."
When you don't support the troops and their mission, that is what makes their deaths vain. YOU make their death vain, not the policy. Policies are inherently neutral, only people construct meaning.
"Murtha is giving you apes a great opportunity to jump back on the side of right, but instead you crawl deeper in the anus of wrong."
Murtha is giving us 'apes' an opportunity to see how much people like you actually hate America and wish for her defeat.
You, on the Left, are like the abusive husband. You love America, of this I have no doubt, but only on your own terms and only inasmuch as America pleases you. You also love America so much that you will take every opportunity to beat her up when she displeases you.
Good luck pulling your head out of your ass. Again, thanks for playing.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 22, 2005 09:50 AM (JQjhA)
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The troll doesn't even know how irrelevant he is. Keep up the frontal lobe release little man.
Posted by: Oyster at November 22, 2005 11:03 AM (fl6E1)
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ironic.
one minute the United States is accused of not helping Africa because "they have no oil" yet when American soldiers are deployed in order to support the United Nations peace keeping and relief efforts they "shouldn't be there" and we have no "strategic need" to be there.
Then the left says the United States should have waited for the United Nations inspectors in Iraq, then you critique the U.S for supporting the United Nations?
Arguing with the left is like a dog chasing it's own tail.
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That's why I don't argue with them Dave, I just disparage them, which is actually better treatment than they deserve, and far better than they will get when TSHTF.
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>>>one minute the United States is accused of not helping Africa because "they have no oil" yet when American soldiers are deployed in order to support the United Nations peace keeping and relief efforts they "shouldn't be there" and we have no "strategic need" to be there.
You noticed too? That's because their tactic is to play both ends against the middle-- the middle being the United States. One set of moonbats vilifies the U.S. for intervening, while the other set of moonbats vilifies the U.S. for NOT intervening. Both sets of moonbats make mutually exclusive arguments but it doesn't matter because what really counts is their mutual hatred of America. And yet I just wouldn't DARE question their patriotism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 22, 2005 12:17 PM (8e/V4)
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You're right Carlos, we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
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Well said Dave, Carlos.
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Chris Matthews Jumps the Shark

Chris Matthews has finally jumped the shark. Excuse the metaphor, but
Ace dropped the ball on the obvious one this time.
I've never understood why so many on the Right hated Matthews so much. Personally, I always liked him much more than, say, Bill O'Reilly. Yeah, I thought, he's a blowhard, but name some one on Fox, CNN, or MSNBC who isn't?
I'm beginning to see where that disdain comes from.
Edmonton Sun:
"The period between 9/11 and Iraq was not a good time for America. There wasn't a robust discussion of what we were doing," Matthews said.
"If we stop trying to figure out the other side, we've given up. The person on the other side is not evil -- they just have a different perspective."
Different perspective?
Right.
Matthews is the sort of liberal that would take great exception to Eisenhower's charicterization of WWII as the Crusade in Europe.
We dub thee: Chris Matthews, Dhimmi.
Malkin, Ace, and Charles Johnson, and Dan Riehl have more.
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Chris Matthews, the clown, the democratic operative, the liar and liberal apologist, the hardly objective MSNBC host(what a choice of words) who loves himself more than anyone. He's a piece of shit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 21, 2005 04:47 PM (rUyw4)
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In the old days people like Matthews would be tripping all over themselves to get firsthand coverage and interviews with "the otherside".
Not this time baby! They scare the crap out of them!
Matthews n' kind are a bit embarrased 'bout being well er - gutless ... so to compensate they beef up their left image here at home (where its safe and warm). Its called "courage".
One can have an interesting discussion on the newsfilm coverage from theater - not the content but the technical aspects. Comparative analysis with past conflicts and technique is an eye-opener - has anyone noticed what I am talking about?
Posted by: hondo at November 21, 2005 04:51 PM (Jvmry)
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Quote the Edmonton Sun? Isn't that in Canada? Latest news from Canada. No more white people will be hired by the Canadian Government. Without exception Canada has decided that only minorities can be hired. White folks don't need to eat to.
A year ago, I told you guys Canada was going butts up to the muslims and others. This should be proof enough.
Even the United States didn't go that far. Just stupid programs to alienate whites youths. Dumb assed programs like affirmative action and giving minorites points in hiring simply because they minorites. Or the worst of all. Giving others seats in college who score less on the SAT.
Canada is soon to be just another third world begger.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 21, 2005 04:57 PM (ZaAd/)
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I'm glad to know there was no discussion between 9/11 & Iraq, because frankly I was SICK of all the discussion at the time
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Posted by: The Ghost of Macktastick Rusty Wicked at November 21, 2005 05:07 PM (JQjhA)
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>>>"the liar and liberal apologist,"
and now the terrorist apologist. But, oh, I won't question his patriotism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2005 05:22 PM (8e/V4)
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I really dislike Chris Matthews (especially his rude treatment of Michelle Malkin), but let's give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
There is a real possibility that his reference was to the cantankerous fighting between Democrats and Republicans. Let's seee how he responds to this. He might not have realized how what he said was ambiguous and could have easily been taken the wrong way.
If he was refering to the terrorists, then I agree 10,000%: he has gone completely gone nuts.
Posted by: brightwinger at November 21, 2005 06:40 PM (RPsWa)
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point taken and I agree
Someone look into this a bit more we jump the shark.
Posted by: hondo at November 21, 2005 06:59 PM (Jvmry)
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Matthews is a punk ass bitch. People like him are the reason I have never met a New Englander I could stand.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 21, 2005 08:20 PM (0yYS2)
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Yeah, I'm with brightwinger.
And also bear in mind that the quote isn't given in any context at all... it is merely thrown into a very, very short summary of things that he said, and the ambiguity is probably the fault of the reporter who wrote the article.
I think Chris Matthews is a complete moron, but he wouldn't say something like that--I hope.
Posted by: Dave S at November 21, 2005 08:40 PM (RcK9w)
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i swear this is truth that you guys are some jackass republican funded scumball PR blog. Seriously , get out of your cubicle and look out the window. AMERICA HATES YOU. Thats why you have dichead cheney saying its "ok" for us to dissent from his holyness, oops that bush, i mean mr pat robertson.
america has abandoned your KOOKOO revolution, time to save face.
ernie
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ernie,
what, no "semper fi"? You're a phony, just like your stealth Liberal ideology. And it has to be stealthy because it's you Leftwing nutjobs America hates. If only most Americans knew half of what you Leftards really believe you'd be tarred and feathered and dumped into a river.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2005 11:52 PM (8e/V4)
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Damn it, I hate it when that happens... I felt 2 IQ points slipping away.
Damn you, Earnie! Damn you!
Posted by: Dave S at November 22, 2005 12:28 AM (RcK9w)
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Hey ernie, I thought I told you to shut up. Don't make me get out of the Bark-o-lounger and smack you around a bit.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at November 22, 2005 04:24 AM (CtVG6)
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ernie: Switch to decaf, will ya?
Posted by: Oyster at November 22, 2005 05:24 AM (YudAC)
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Ernie, WTF?
It'll be a cold day in hell before the majority of people agree with your wingnut self. Quit projecting!
By the way, heard of "spell check" dipshit?
You're probably some pasty-face zit ridden little 15 year old punk with no friends and you get your shits and giggles spending your time flaming people for attention.
What's wrong? Did mommy not breastfeed you? Did she drop you on your head? Do you even KNOW who your mother is?
Inquiring minds want to know...
Posted by: disgruntledinca at November 22, 2005 08:43 AM (IpG/2)
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Love it, because whattyaknow...IT'S TRUE! Which is why it burns your @ss so bad!
the truth hurts.
Posted by: Jawa and all Jawa supporters....Suck! at November 22, 2005 09:36 AM (/3n/k)
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Grey, how does the Edmonton Sun reporting a news story "prove" that Canada is going "butts up to the Muslims?" I'm interested in your logic.
Unless, of course, you're just using the fact that it's the Edmonton Sun being quoted to justify your own opinions.
Posted by: Venom at November 22, 2005 09:39 AM (dbxVM)
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America hates Republicans huh? I guess that's why the dhimmitards have been losing national elections for about ten years now? Goddamn idiot libtards all need killed.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 22, 2005 09:54 AM (0yYS2)
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I say we turn the electricity off on the liberal bastards for a few days and we can watch their black friends kill them.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 22, 2005 10:12 AM (rUyw4)
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JJ, given that the longer we go without a terrorist attack raises the probability of a really massive one, I'd say
we won't have to do anything, because the darlings of the media and the left, i.e. Osama and company, will take care of that. If we get a wave of really massive, multiple, coordinated attacks, our civil order will be shot to hell, and the cops will retreat and barricade themselves into their police stations, (remember the 1992 LA riots), and the liberals will be left at the tender mercy of those whom they've cultivated against society for so long. We evil conservatives, however, are generally well armed and unambiguous in our resolve to defend our homes, families, and country, so the coming possible cataclysm will favor us.
I wonder if liberals ever stop to consider that almost all the best terrorist targets in America are smack in the middle of blue states? Do they think Osama picked the WTC because he thought it was the GOP headquarters? Michael Mooreon seems to think so, and probably a lot of other libtards. They continue to promote the appeasement of people who will not be appeased, and surrender to people who do not want peace, but dominance. They honestly do believe that they are in greater danger from the hated non-liberals, (i.e. all sane, normal, patriotic Americans), than from al Qaeda, and therefore have chosen to stand with the enemy again, just like they did in WW2 when they supported Hitler and Stalin, and Vietnam when they supported Uncle Ho.
Liberals have consistantly made the wrong choice in matters of foreign policy time after time, starting with Woodrow Wilson and going right up to John Murtha, and should not be allowed to influence either foreign or domestic policy ever again. They're just too stupid.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 22, 2005 10:29 AM (0yYS2)
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Ah guys! I love lil' ernie! In fact, he and his kind are one of the reasons we have been so successful (conservatives) these past 20+ years.
Not all Americans share our conservative beliefs - but many are close and perrenial fence-sitters. It's the lil' ernies that provide that lil' push in our direction went it counts.
Here in NYC I know so many self-discribed "moderates" (whatever that is). They can't make up their minds and wobble back and forth.
But when a lil' ernie type pops up around them ... they all quietly move away from him with that bewildered disgusted look on their faces.
YOU GO LIL' eRNIE!!! YOU GO BOY!!!
Now actus is different - he knows its a competition! and not an exercise in looking at yourself in a house of mirrors and smiling back and striking a pose for "your supporters".
You go ernie! Since your not playing Marine anymore you could try Eagle Scout - but first do a lil' research this time - the only thing worse than a lousy lil' leftist is a lousy lil' leftist actor. Courage boy, courage.
Posted by: hondo at November 22, 2005 10:36 AM (Jvmry)
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Break it to Filty easy Arrested Developmetn cancelled Scott Baios days on TV numbered.
Posted by: Howie at November 22, 2005 06:25 PM (D3+20)
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>>>"If we stop trying to figure out the other side, we've given up. The person on the other side is not evil -- they just have a different perspective."
I just KNOW he wasn't talking about Republicans. The Leftards will try to "understand" jihadis, pedophiles and criminals of every variety. But Republicans? Not a chance.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 23, 2005 05:33 PM (8e/V4)
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"Canada is going butts up to muslims and other minorites."
"White people need to be fed."
Rooster always seems to act like he's a helpless little victime that isn't being treated right in his own country, and he gets so mad when he sees "other minorites" advance or for heaven's sake get a damn job somewhere. Retarded, selfish, asshole.
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November 18, 2005
GOP to Wobbly Dems: Bring it on!

The House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on surrender-monkey
Rep. John Murtha (
D-France) call for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
Way to grow a set of cajones, House Republicans!
Of course, we wouldn't want to question Murtha's patriotism. Because as we all know, former members of the U.S. military cannot, by definition, be unpatriotic.
Except for Benedict Arnold.
Okay, one former miltitary man was a traitor.
How about Zebulon Pike ?
Er, okay, two.
Fine, but in addition to Murtha being a former Marine, the man is a sitting U.S. Congressman! A top official in the U.S. government!
Aaron Burr, any one?
Long, long time ago....
Alger Hiss, Roosevelt Administration
Enough!! So, there are a whole lot of cases where traitors happen to either be in high government positions or happen to have also served in the military. What does that prove?
Nothing, only that treason and military/government service are not mutually exclusive of each other.
So are you saying Murtah is a traitor? Doesn't he just want what is best for his country? By definition those trying to do what is best for their country can't be traitors, can they?
No, but he is a whiny bitch, isn't he?
Indeed.
Via Drudge, this news:
House Republicans, sensing an opportunity for political advantage, maneuvered for a quick vote and swift rejection Friday of a Democratic lawmaker's call for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq.
"We want to make sure that we support our troops that are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. "We will not retreat."
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi had no immediate reaction to the planned vote.
The GOP leadership decided to act little more than 24 hours after Rep. Jack Murtha, a hawkish Democrat with close ties to the military, said the time had come to pull out the troops. By forcing the issue to a vote, Republicans placed many Democrats in a politically unappealing position - whether to side with Murtha and expose themselves to attacks from the White House and congressional Republicans, or whether to oppose him and risk angering the voters that polls show want an end to the conflict.
UPDATE: See-Dub suggests that you might want to call your Congressman about this one. Good point.
Call away, minions, call away!
More at OSM.
Reynolds supplied links: Let Freedom Ring, Hotline
Hos and pimps wearing stars and stripes: Brian "Former WWF Superstar" Maloney, Llama "Butchers, not Bitches", Ace "Not a Slave to Wonkette" of Spades, Jeff "Cut" Goldstein, Colossus (no, that isn't my screen name) Blog, Euporic "did you say jarkolicious?" Reality
Video voyeurism of upcoming smackdown: Political Teen
Self-pimpified patriots: Jason Smith, Super Fun Power Hour, Don Surber
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Yes, all of us in the US need to know who the traitors are. I wish the Senate would take the same vote.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 03:41 PM (rUyw4)
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I just got off the phone with my lefty congresscritter. the staffer was like "So your for the Murtha resolution?"
"NO! I'm for winning the war!"
Rusty, might I recommend you amend your post to get people calling their congressmen about this?
Posted by: See-Dubya at November 18, 2005 04:01 PM (pFjwZ)
Posted by: Brad at November 18, 2005 04:08 PM (3OPZt)
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As I love to repeat whenever the opportunity arises; when these bastards have screwed up so completely that all order collapses and there's war in the streets, we can at least have the pleasure of burning them alive over a slow fire.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 18, 2005 04:19 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: a4g at November 18, 2005 05:33 PM (stXRr)
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You forgot to mention Kerry. One of the biggest traitors of all time.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 07:38 PM (ZaAd/)
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I'm so glad you're back to straighten all this shit out, Rusty.
Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at November 18, 2005 07:55 PM (WIAoX)
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Agent Smith,
F..k off! Before we deprogram you.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 10:52 PM (rUyw4)
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I'm sorry but didn't they vote on the HUNTER Resolution?
The resolution that they voted on that called for a withdrawal of troops was introduced by a Republican from freakin' California.
Forget Murtha. Should a Republican be calling for our troops to come home? Who is Hunter and why is he asking for immediate withdrawal?
Posted by: DBJ at November 19, 2005 12:39 AM (pIsh+)
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Why is it that a few former military men who speak out against the war are supposed to be taken seriously just because they are veterans, but all the veterans who speak out in favor of the war are ignored?
Posted by: Gullyborg at November 19, 2005 03:25 AM (Sq5LX)
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Agent Smith and greg: Run along and play now. The grown-ups are talking.
Posted by: Oyster's Doppelganger at November 19, 2005 06:21 AM (YudAC)
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Ghost is funny! Imagine if he could commit all his creative energies and talents to something useful and practical like - cleaning his room.
Posted by: hondo at November 19, 2005 08:52 AM (Jvmry)
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Agent Smith and Greg,
I gave you my address two different times. Why don't you and the dumn ass come over to my house in Abilene and play? You won't cause you know I will beat the crap out of you. Now quit trying to threaten people, you little shit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 19, 2005 09:06 AM (rUyw4)
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Greg, I'm flattered that you Googled™ me! I feel so famous now, in a rather obscure, mediocre sort of way... dirty, almost. Anyway, you were pretty much spot on with the details, (you must have neglected your porn surfing for hours, kudos for obsessing about me!), but the analysis was flawed because you projected too much. You seem to have a problem with objectivity, which is the heart of a good analysis. He who cannot see past himself is blind.
For example, my mother's death has nothing to do with my state of mind. You see, I'm a Taoist at heart, (yes, the Tao is completely compatible with being an atheist), and I accept with complete tranquility things that cannot be changed. I may not like them, but I accept them, and so remain sane. I'm pretty damned stoic when it comes down to it, and only tend to get excited about things that can be changed, and when the need for change meets opportunity, all that is necessary is the ability and willingness to act. The
Hagakure and
Five Rings are invaluable guides.
By the way, I'm also a student of Sun Tzu, by which you may infer that I will in no way ever be the first to act, but rather will watch the enemy and prepare myself and allow them to make the first move. Once the enemy is committed to action, only then will I act, but I will act decisively and without reservation. I frequent muslim groceries and restaurants so that I may learn what they're thinking as much as possible, and I go to a pub where liberals hang out and chat them up so that I can keep a sense of what's going on in the local tinfoil-hat community. I may be a devious bastard, but I will not be caught unawares. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go do my Saturday morning bunker inspection and register the mortars. Ta-ta!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 19, 2005 09:09 AM (0yYS2)
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Black market commodities? Like Colt 45 and Menthol Kools?
Oh snap! Yeah, I went there. I'm gettin' some backlash on that one, I can tell ya now. Oh well, let the flogging begin.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 19, 2005 10:53 AM (0yYS2)
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By the way, I hope Murtha feels stupid for confusing his Viagra with his senility medication and letting it get the better of his judgment.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 19, 2005 10:58 AM (0yYS2)
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Would a Taoist cause ripples in the pool ? Would a Taoist call others silly names like a frightened child ? (I still feel shamed by being called a "bed wetter" by you)More time is perhaps needed contemplating the navel. Or shakabuku from JLJ
Posted by: john Ryan at November 19, 2005 11:09 AM (ads7K)
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You know john, if you keep sitting around babbling like that, you're gonna get sent to the old folks home for being senile.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 19, 2005 11:13 AM (0yYS2)
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And I must of missed something about Pike. Why do you consider him a traitor ?
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Whilst I will not presume to read Rusty's mind, it's probably because of Pike's association with the undoubted traitor James Wilkerson.
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Well John if you wish to deem Pike a traitor solely because of his association with Wilkerson or his associations with others, thanks for sharing that with us. IM all was said in the best of spirit. I always find your repeated references to my penis (bed wetter...viagra) somewhat amusing. As I mentioned before these type of insults often do show more about one than many might choose to know.
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John Ryan,
IM has you figured for an old Protestant main liner, possibly Presbyterian or Episcopal, who was conservative in a pukey way when he was young, but has "matured" in his own mind to be nothing more than a lukewarm liberal. Claims to be moderate, but that term no longer exists in a real way, because you are about to be forced to make a choice. Moderate usually means lukewarm liberal.
I think he might be right.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 19, 2005 08:15 PM (rUyw4)
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Greg,
Leave Greyrooster alone. You're going over the top with this shit and you know it. There's an implicit threat in publishing people's information on the internet.
You claim to want to blog and post anonomously. You need to respect other people's privacy.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 19, 2005 10:22 PM (rUyw4)
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Rusty,
Greg needs to be banned. He's posting other people's private information out here for everyone to see. No one should have personal info published on the Jawa unless they do it themselves. What Greg is doing is unethical and needs to be stopped.
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Quothe JJ: "Moderate usually means lukewarm liberal."
"Be thou hot or cold, for if thou art lukewarm, I will spew thee out of my mouth."
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 20, 2005 08:32 AM (0yYS2)
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Now that greg is officially stalking, just pass his ISP info to the FBI and let them have at him, because cyberstalking is a Federal crime.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 20, 2005 11:38 AM (0yYS2)
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you retards, what losers...always claiming everyone who isnt as blind and stupid asa you are traitors. well guess what
according to you66% of the USA are traitors. you idiots are in the minirty now fuckheads so get used to being made fun of as the ridiculous little bitches you paste eating republican moral vbalue nerds are.
we hate you, everyone hate you, you have good reason to have internalized your fascist horseshit, you little dick men that you are.
ernie
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ernie
Guess what. You ain't no marine, that makes you a liar. So begone, troll, and go back to the swamp at DU. You'll feel better among your own kind, and ya'll can mourn the terrorist scum killed today. Have a nice day, shithead.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 20, 2005 05:18 PM (rUyw4)
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Agent Smith: You got some of it correct. Some of it wrong. I worked for a respectful engineering firm and later became co owner of same. We worked in the design, inspection of, and management of engineering projects. Mostly, but not entirely in the mechanical side of building. Elevators were a small part of it. Some of my projects were the San Francisco and San Jose Airports. I served in Marine Corps during the Vietnam war. 2nd Batt. 26th Marines. What have you ever done for your country?
So for the record. What are your achievements? That is besides being an asshole.
I'm not ashamed of who I am. Apparently you are. Or are you a coward? Both of us allready know that answer. Don't we.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2005 07:58 PM (ZaAd/)
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Proud to attack leftards and muslims.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 21, 2005 07:35 AM (ZaAd/)
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Please note the prick above calling himself agent smith doesn't reply with anything he has done for America. Of course we all know who the little traitor is don't we. This cowardly commie is without pride. Voted off this blog and the pityful lonely little prick continues to post where he is not wanted. That in itself shows his character. Or lack of it.
So Greg the traitor go back to the 8 year old boys that you claim to love to suck their cocks. The world doesn't need or want you. Fact is you should be executed for your crimes against this nation and deviant subhuman desires.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 21, 2005 07:46 AM (ZaAd/)
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Hey ernie, isn't it about time for you to move out of your mom's basement and find a job other than delivering pizza?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 21, 2005 03:22 PM (0yYS2)
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Mr. Anderson, You disappoint me.
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If taking the position that soldiers in Iraq ought to kill their superior officers isn't treasonous speech, then
I guess nothing is.
Real freedom will come when soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors and fight for just causes and for people's needs..."
HT: Ace
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Posted by: asan akbar at November 18, 2005 08:48 AM (/3n/k)
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The most vile kind of evil persons ever and to think scumbags like him are allowed to teach at many of our major collages and universities
Posted by: sandpiper at November 18, 2005 09:11 AM (zj1n9)
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Well, if it's okay for him to incite to violence and advocate treason, then it's okay for me to simply incite to violence. I hope one of his students tosses a molotov cocktail into his office.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 18, 2005 09:18 AM (0yYS2)
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Dont you DARE question his patriotism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 18, 2005 10:09 AM (8e/V4)
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I think we will have academic freedom when students eliminate professors like Daly!
Posted by: Andy Driggers at November 18, 2005 10:10 AM (tMU4W)
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That's the spirit you need. Death to all who try to command. Power over person back to the person and none other. Every man for himself and for what ever side he likes better.
Well, hell no, your army needs hundreds of thousands of lemmings until you're allowed to just nuke everything.
Join the Army => GoArmy.com
Posted by: A Finn at November 18, 2005 10:43 AM (lGolT)
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A Finn: We
are allowed to "just nuke everything". We're just so nice that we choose not to do so. So far.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 18, 2005 11:43 AM (RHG+K)
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Just another unemployable English Lit major (MA) waltzing along in a backwater Community college (probably an Adjunct non-tenured slot) to afraid for his own safety to teach in the Seattle public schools (or fled) and can't find a suburban slot.
A dork who looks in the mirror and sees Che... is still a dork.
Posted by: hondo at November 18, 2005 01:12 PM (Jvmry)
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Oh. Community college. I'm sure somoene will compare this to academic elitists.
Posted by: actus at November 18, 2005 01:15 PM (Zi15r)
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I wish one of his students would kick his ass, because a good ass-kicking is what this guy deserves. He advocates violence, so he should not be surprised when it comes to call on him. Turn about is fair play.
Asan, go wash your hair.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 01:29 PM (rUyw4)
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He needs his fucking skull crushed, along with all other liberals. Liberals come in three basic categories; coward, idiot, and traitor, and one special category; "good", which is synonymous with "dead". The first three categories allow overlap and are not mutually exclusive at all, but the fourth one trumps the rest. I am firmly dedicated to converting liberals into good liberals.
By the way, yesterday I took a boy to the range and he fired his first real guns, including my 91/30 Mosin Nagant, which probably wasted a few Nazis during WW2. He liked it, too, which I find doubly pleasing since that fact infuriates liberals to the point of spontaneously soiling themselves. Along with a lot of good weapons safety instruction, (of course), he got a good dose of Common Sense concerning freedom, politics, and the due and proper respect for and treatment of fellow loyal citizens (especially women and the elderly), and the Constitution, along with due and proper derision and contempt for liberals and other invertebrates such as termites and garden slugs. Anyway, he went to the range a boy, but he's going to make a good Man.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 18, 2005 04:31 PM (0yYS2)
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Bluto, being allowed to do something means you don't get punished for doing it. Therefore you are not allowed to use nukes, since everyone would trade block, invade or nuke you if you did.
Posted by: A Finn at November 18, 2005 05:01 PM (lGolT)
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A Finn: You haven't been paying attention. We have enough nukes to deal with everyone. If it comes to that.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 18, 2005 06:21 PM (RHG+K)
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actus, cram it. Having a hard time coming up with an offense? Just say anything at all, right? You're the kind of kid I would have had no problem sitting behind in school and thumping your ear when the teacher wasn't looking.
Posted by: Oyster's Doppelganger at November 18, 2005 07:30 PM (YudAC)
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actus
In error I mentioned Seattle - should have been one of the NJ urban school systems like Newark.
Everything else was dead on - I checked
Daly's not even a full time Adjunct! What a joke!
Posted by: hondo at November 18, 2005 07:51 PM (Jvmry)
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Asan feels brave this evening. Must have just finished buggering his pot bellied pig. Or was that a family member?
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 07:56 PM (ZaAd/)
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Oh God! It gets better!
He teaches remedial English (reading and writing) (non-credit courses!
Oh what a comedown for someone as pompous and self-righteous as he.
I was gonna say Adjuncts are a dime a dozen (been one myself 7 years) but a State Community backwater and remedial courses no less! 3-5 cents a pop tops. this is funny.
Posted by: hondo at November 18, 2005 08:03 PM (Jvmry)
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Too bad using that much nukes kills you too. Radiation and all that...
Posted by: A Finn at November 19, 2005 05:41 AM (lGolT)
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Nah. Neutron bombs. Wouldn't want to destroy all that nice infrastructure when we expand our empire.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 19, 2005 12:48 PM (RHG+K)
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Neutron radiation... heavily ionising, but threat ends at about 2m from source where the last neutrons split to good old gamma rays. Might be a good way to start the second natures very own nuclear reactor if near a motherload of ultraheavy elements.
Unfortunately all the other peoples nukes go off as a "well, fuck you, you won't see next week either", way before your bombs are even halfway to their targets. So WMDs everywhere also screw you anyway.
=> A punishment
=> You're not allowed to use 'em
Posted by: A Finn at November 19, 2005 04:26 PM (lGolT)
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"He needs his fucking skull crushed, along with all other liberals. "
blah blah blah.
Posted by: actus at November 19, 2005 08:11 PM (Zi15r)
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Is your ear hurting, Actus? LOL!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 19, 2005 08:23 PM (rUyw4)
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Don't rush things rectus, your time will come, and you'll probably get a choice between the hangman or the headsman, depending on whether a patriot or a jihadotard gets to you first.
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November 17, 2005
Iraq Onanism: The Return of Rusty Shackleford
Rusty Shackleford stops blogging for a couple of months and
the nation goes all wobbly.
To pull out of Iraq now is to lose the war. We cannot lose this war in Iraq, too much is at stake. Lives are at stake. Our national security is at stake. The long-term survival of liberal democracy is at stake.
To pull out will be to prove the Abu Musab al Zarqawi's and bin Laden's of the world correct: Western democracies do not have what it takes to stick out a hard fight. Their war in Iraq has always been the Afghanistan strategy--a war of attrition. The bin Ladenists will proclaim victory and redouble their efforts.
All this defeatist talk of early withdrawal from Iraq brings to mind the story, out of Genesis, of the sons of Judah. Onan was condemned in the Bible for, excuse the metaphor, pulling out too early as well. The sin, commonly misunderstood by Christians to be masturbation, was actually that Onan was under obligation to raise children to his dead brother. By spilling his seed on the ground, rather than impregnating his brother's widow, Onan did not finish the job he had started. Onan failed to live up to his obligation to his dead brother, so "What [Onan] did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so [the Lord] put him to death."
It appears that the LORD was more than a bit pissed at Onan's premature withdrawal. I am a bit pissed myself at the far more serious prospect of withdrawing from Iraq before we have crushed our enemies and left a legacy to that country that we can be proud of.
We are under obligation to our dead comrades in Iraq. If we do not finish the job, they will have died in vain. There are worse things than dying in war, dying in a lost war is one of them.
I'm back. Driven to blog by all this defeatist bullshit coming out of the Democrats' mouths. Administrations do not wage wars, nations do. So, yes, not supporting the war is the same as not supporting the nation you treasonous twits. We are at war, and the last time I checked the Democrats were a part of we. Until we win this war I will do my part. In the meantime:

Update: Tammy Bruce, good gay, chimes in:
Think about it this way--what if during World War II the Republicans kept arguing that the war was a "quagmire" and that President Roosevelt "lied" about Pearl Harbor, and that the Germans had done nothing to us, as a result he had "misled" us into the war. Then they start asking for a "time table" to get out of Europe. Does that sound normal to you? Or reasonable? Or does it sound like a defeatist, Hate-America first attitude? It certainly would have been manna to the ears of Hitler and Tojo.
Here is the time table for all war: it ends when the enemy is vanquished. The time table for Europe was when the Axis Powers all eventually surrendered, and it will be so as we face and fight the new facist enemy. It's now obscene what the Dems are doing and has moved far past the "loyal opposition" expected of the minority.
It's about time the White House respond to the absurdity of the Dems. Their attacks are not only ridiculous and old, they put this entire nation in increasing danger as our enemies look for more ways to kill our families and destroy civilization. This is not a game, but the Dems are treating it as though it were. Shame on them.
(HT:
John Hawkins)
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It's not just Dems, sad to say.
McCain, Hagel anyone?
Posted by: Vinnie's Ghost at November 17, 2005 06:05 PM (Kr6/f)
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McCain is solid. Didn't you read his O/E today?
Posted by: The Ghost of Macktastick Rusty Wicked at November 17, 2005 06:19 PM (JQjhA)
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Nope, where'd he publish it, the Village Voice?
Mother Jones or Rolling Stone?
Linky, me need linky.
Posted by: Vinnie's Ghost at November 17, 2005 06:36 PM (Kr6/f)
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http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/31358.htm
Posted by: The Ghost of Macktastick Rusty Wicked at November 17, 2005 06:39 PM (JQjhA)
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Well...I take it back then.
But not about Hagel. He's an asshat.
Posted by: Vinnie's Ghost at November 17, 2005 07:02 PM (Kr6/f)
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"the long term survival of liberal democracy is at stake. he he you said "liberal democracy. Also let's try to remember high school civics. We live in a republic, thanks to our Founding Fathers, and not a democracy.As for the analogy with Onan: well ummm perhaps not so applicable. But at least Islamic genital mutilation wasn't mentioned. I guess we all still must hold a grudge what was done to us when still an infant. ouch !!
Posted by: john Ryan at November 17, 2005 07:03 PM (ads7K)
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I don't know about that..
but....
I'm back, biyatches!!
Posted by: The Ghost of Macktastick Rusty Wicked at November 17, 2005 07:33 PM (JQjhA)
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Nice to have you back, with a neat bit of work with the cluebat.
Posted by: West at November 17, 2005 08:25 PM (ZSBU7)
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Glad you're back, Rusty, and with a vitally important message too boot. Well said.
John Ryan, a republic is a type of democracy, just as a square is a type of rectangle.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 17, 2005 08:55 PM (RHG+K)
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I sent the RNC a letter today telling it that I was withholding any further support until the a**wipe congressional Republicans get their act together. (Copy to Dr. Frist) I urge you all to do the same.
Posted by: Tommy Boy at November 17, 2005 08:58 PM (NslNF)
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Tommy Boy, you should post a copy of your letter...
Posted by: J at November 17, 2005 09:35 PM (/P1rH)
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who the hell is "Dr. Rusty Shackleford"?!?
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at November 17, 2005 09:38 PM (ZFnqm)
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Then we need to commit to victoy. Put the men on the ground to defeat the bastards and then put the Iraqi's forces in there. Double the number of troops, end it now. Then position ourselves to blockade Chavez.
Posted by: Kstumpf at November 17, 2005 09:59 PM (hpPv6)
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What the hell is Leopold Stotch?
Is it single malt, or blended?
Posted by: Vinnie's Ghost at November 17, 2005 10:09 PM (Kr6/f)
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Blended. With a teaspoon of bullshit added for flavor.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 05:19 AM (ZaAd/)
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The dems talk a good bulls**t line about being "globally-minded" and "internationalists", yet, their every action shows short-sightedness and a desire for isolationism. Can they not see beyond their wish to withdraw? What would happen should that come to be? How truly dangerous that is?
Now that more and more are condemning al Qaeda and its branches and the Iraqis get closer to becoming self-sufficient their voices are louder than ever. That says a lot to me.
Posted by: Oyster at November 18, 2005 06:26 AM (YudAC)
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oyster
Look for the chorus to cut & run to increase significantly in the next few weeks led my the MSM. Hours ago there was a 2nd (failed) attempt with a truck bomb to target the MSM in Iraq. I have been hearing rumors of AQ change in western targeting with a key on a big strike(s) against the MSM.
AQ believes MSM will squeal like a pig n' flee - and use anti-Bush/anti-war BS to cover their own cowardice.
MSM is hunkered down in mass in Bagdad - they don't travel - they phone in their work and almost exclusively use locals to do the work.
MSM security is very heavy - paid locals and contractor mercs (very expensive - and always off camera). US Mil is on perifery of hunkered sites - MSM wouldn't acknowledge - very poor relationship between two.
AQ sees western MSM as anti-Bush and weaklink terrified of AQ/insurgents and loathe to admit it.
Posted by: hondo at November 18, 2005 07:52 AM (Jvmry)
Posted by: Howie' s Ghost at November 18, 2005 10:21 AM (D3+20)
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Welcome back, Master Rusty Shackleford. We missed ya!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 01:39 PM (rUyw4)
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In regards to the earlier discussion of McCain and Hagel: I'm not exactly a huge McCain fan (it's hard to reconcile with being a Rumsfeld fan), but it's not fair to lump him in with the wretched Hagel. I will always remember McCain's speech to the convention last year very fondly, and I can't think of a thing Hagel has done while in the senate that provokes any such warm feelings. He's a Kerry clone.
Glad to have you back Dr. Shackleford! Not a minute too soon...
Posted by: AcademicElephant at November 19, 2005 04:39 PM (efbn5)
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Awesome satire... ridiculous, but not too over the top. There are actually people who think like this, which makes it work. Great job.
Posted by: A guy at November 25, 2005 09:38 AM (wbWy0)
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Clarke Feared bin Laden-Iraq Connection (Images/Evidence)
So, Richard Clarke believed that not only was there a connection between bin Laden and Iraq prior to 9/11, but also that those ties were so strong that he fretted over bin Laden finding safe-haven under the Saddam Hussein regime should he escape Afganistan? I really didn't believe it when I first saw this from
Bryan blogging over at Michelle Malkin's place. Looks like
Glenn was surprised, too.
Surely, I said to myself, this report must be exaggerating.
There's probably a good reason no MSM publication has mentioned the fact, right?
So I whipped out my copy of the 9/11 report only to find that Richard Clarke indeed is full of shit when he talks about the President misleading us into war. If Bush misled us into war, then Clarke is equally guilty of that sin (as are a majority of Democrats in Congress).
Here is a captured image from the original report. Click for larger view.

This is the same Richard Clarke who wrote in a book alleging the Bush Administration misled the American people into thinking there was an al Qaeda-Iraq connection that:
"There's absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda, ever."
Ah, the hypocrisy of it all......
And, just so you know, President Bush isn't the only person in White House circles with a spelling problem. Click for larger view.

Richard Clarke, genius or scorned politician trying to shift blame?
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Isn't fleeing to iraq exactly what Zarkowi did? ?
However his name is spelled ....
Posted by: jeff at November 17, 2005 05:55 PM (FnFg4)
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Wasn't Clarke the Clinton terrorism czar? I'll never forget the first mention I ever saw of the proposal to create the position - a note in Men's Health predicted that if the terrorism czar was as successful as the drug czar, we'd soon have Hammas shooting at our asses from inside our toilets.
At least he met somebody's expectations.
Posted by: DonutBoy at November 17, 2005 07:00 PM (q33bN)
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Well, there you go- Richard Clarke knew this but the Senate could never find any proven link from Saddam to al Qaeda.
What ever will we do with these false Senate reports anyway?
When Bush II was elected , all that I heard was how bad he was at everything and how Bush II adminsitration would be better. Now that there is trouble, all I hear is how Bush II cannot be wrong because Clinton believed the same thing.
Shame on everyone for thinking that after 5 years all of the problems are due to the previous administration.
Posted by: Dale at November 17, 2005 08:55 PM (ddNff)
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All the problems are due to decades of neglect and at times even complicity, whether knowingly or not. By saying that anyone is shameful for pointing to any previous administration is to admit openly that they are too ready to dismiss past failings. AQ didn't decide on January 20th, 2001 to become a problem.
Posted by: Oyster at November 18, 2005 08:15 AM (YudAC)
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Actually Clark has some credibility. In
Ghost Wars, Steve Coll offers evidence of the fact that he was one of the very,
very few people of the Bubba-Hitler administration who actually regarded terrorism as a serious threat and tried to do something about it. When he testified before Congress to get money for counterterrorism, they treated him as if he were trying to scam them out of some unaccountable money, because of the "black bag" nature of many of the operations; he told them that he wished he could come back before them in a few years and admit it had all been a waste of money, and that there had been no actual threat, but that he was afraid that was not going to be the case.
He was known to be fairly unpartisan and a bureaucratic survivor above all, but when faced with the choice of laying the blame where it belonged, or at the feet of a hated Republican, he took the low road. But, eventually, everything comes out in the wash, and people like him will have to slither forward and admit, grudgingly and haltinlgy, that in fact, Bush is not directly and solely responsible for everything from the Civil War to 9/11. When one must swallow their own words, I doubt if seditious speech tastes as good going in as it did coming out. I hope they choke on it.
As I've said before; the only good thing about the possibly collapse of society is that we will be free to round up people like this and burn them alive for betraying us.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 18, 2005 09:46 AM (0yYS2)
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My only intent was to point out that blaming a person in a previous administration when taking office and then using them as a shield five years later is ironic.
There is plenty of criticism for anyone who takes action (whether or not they are Republican or Democratic or Independent). It is the person who causes change that is attacked, vilified, and hated.
We all must be brought kicking and screaming into a new future whatever it is.
Posted by: Dale at November 19, 2005 05:57 AM (ddNff)
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Just so you understand that the shame is in those who continually blame it all on this administration. This forces others to bring up past administrations and policies which led up to it. And then they are accused of "passing the buck" when all they're doing is pointing out the fallacies in their argument.
Yes, their are a few who have used it as a "shield". But they are few. There are multitudes more on the other side of the fence.
They're just upset because this administration upset the status quo (an imaginary peace) and forced everyone to lay their cards on the table. This war was inevitable. It was only a matter of time and place.
Posted by: Oyster's Doppelganger at November 19, 2005 08:31 AM (YudAC)
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Leader of Seattle Mosque Arrested, Muslims *Shocked*

The leader of a Seattle mosque was arrested on Nov. 15th as he got off an airplane by the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force. Number of articles appearing in the US media about this?
One.
Have imams being arrested by the Joint Terrorism Task Force become so commonplace that it is no longer 'news', or is the lack of MSM coverage more evidence that the MSM doesn't want you to associate terrorism with Islam? Hmmm, I wonder if a Christian pastor had been arrested by the Joint Terrorism Task Force would the media reaction be any different?
Notice this Seattle Post Intelligencer piece makes sure to qualify Abu Abrahim Sheik Mohamed's name by noting that he is a 'respected leader':
The respected leader of a Rainier Valley mosque was arrested Monday on an immigration charge, surprising those who knew his work in Seattle's Somali community.
Trust me on this one: 'Immigration charges' + 'Joint Terrorism Task Force' = 'I lied on my Visa application about not being a member of al Qaeda'
Federal agents with the Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Abu Abrahim Sheik Mohamed at Sea-Tac Airport as he got off a domestic flight, federal criminal justice sources said....
While he is being held only on the immigration violations, the Joint Terrorism Task Force is continuing its investigation, a source said.
As if lying about being a terrorist on your Visa application is just some
minor infracton.
Mohamed, a native of Somalia, has led prayers as the imam of Abu-Bakr Mosque for the past five years.
Have I mentioned lately where I believe Osama bin Laden to be hiding out? No. Well it aint in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Wrong continent. Try a continent that starts and ends with "A". No, not Antarctica, guess again. And if I were to hazard a guess (and this is an educated guess based on evidence) as to exactly where on that continent Osama bin Laden was hiding out I would begin with the place where bin Laden first attacked the U.S....
"I know the man. I'm shocked to hear that (he was arrested), if he's the one I have in mind," said Hisham Farajallah, president of the Islamic Center of Washington.
Several Somali immigrants expressed surprise Tuesday after hearing of Mohamed's arrest, saying the imam was well regarded in the community for his counsel on a wide range of family issues.
"He is a leader for all the Somali community, not just for the mosque," Hassan Nur said as he arrived at the mosque for midafternoon prayer.
Nur and a man named Ali said that Mohamed would solve "99 percent" of the problems brought to him, helping people with questions related to marriage, parenting, addictions and youths.
I hear the Taliban also could solve 99% of familial problems within minutes.
They said Mohamed even started a summer program at the mosque to keep youths off the street and out of trouble.
Again, as if fascists of all stripes aren't social reformers. They are. You know, solve our ills by forcing us to follow Allah.
"I've never heard of him doing anything wrong," Nur said.
Mohamed is "a wise man in every aspect," said Mohamed Abdi, president of Somali Community Services of Seattle.
I wonder if Abu Abrahim Sheik Mohamed's 'wisdom' and service to his community included advising his friends and neighbors to follow the the Somali Islamic tradition of female genital mutilation?
Mohamed has been the only imam at the mosque, which started six years ago without a prayer leader.
Though open to Muslims of all national origins, the mosque is used mostly by Somalis.
In November 2004, the Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested 14 people at about a dozen Seattle-area locations, including a business one block from the original location of Abu-Bakr Mosque.
Among those arrested in the November 2004 raids was Karim Abdullah Assalaam, who told an FBI informant that "his whole Muslim crew" is involved in an ongoing bank fraud scheme for personal gain and because "you can't go to war broke," court documents say.
In a tape-recorded conversation about guns, Assalaam told the informant, "I just want to die a Shaheed," which he defined as a martyr "who dies in the cause of Allah."
Assalaam is to be sentenced next month after acceding to a federal plea agreement.
In addition to the single mention of Abu Abrahim Sheik Mohamed's arrest in the U.S. press, the Iranians give the story a little ink.
Iranian Quran News Agency's story is actually just a reprint of the SPI article, but it is interesting that the Iranians would give this some space but not, say, CNN.
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I am shocked at this news sir,
shocked I tell you!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 17, 2005 12:34 PM (0yYS2)
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Muslim countries - a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there ... seems like the typical unspoken attitude of muslims living in the West and US. I swear - these people got some serious psychological problems!
Posted by: hondo at November 17, 2005 12:59 PM (Jvmry)
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I can't believe such a structure stands in the middle of Seattle. These people are like rats...they infest everywhere.
Posted by: Jester at November 17, 2005 01:22 PM (BypR5)
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Soon to follow will be the community's fear of a backlash (which never seems to come). Would-be-terrorists in their neighbourhoods they can handle, critisism and hard questions they mostly certainly cannot.
Posted by: Graeme at November 17, 2005 01:23 PM (1t7Hl)
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...next thing my US buddies will be telling me they have mosques in Texas ;-0
Posted by: Jester at November 17, 2005 01:26 PM (BypR5)
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Fox now has this up and Yahoo as well. The rest nada so far. Better late than never.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175864,00.html
Posted by: Howie at November 17, 2005 02:12 PM (D3+20)
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Wrong forking thread howie
Posted by: Howie at November 17, 2005 02:14 PM (D3+20)
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here is a link to the local paper's story on the arrest of the 14 I am mentioning the part about the "blonde suppermodels" in the hope that someone will take the time to read the article. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002095360_raids19m.html Also a link from Syracuse University showing the average sentences given by federal judges in cases involving both domestic and international terrorism http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/terrorism/supp.html The second link is by far the more frightening, but has no "supermodel" content
Posted by: john Ryan at November 17, 2005 03:00 PM (ads7K)
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Just an FYI....
Tyler Texas has a mosque. Granted it is small, but it is a mmosque.
Sad thing is nobody seems to care who killed 300 civilians for what religion.....
According to the Democrats anmd the ACLU:
Muslim equals peaceful innocent. Christian equals hateful racisist homophobe.
SOMEDAY, these things will be righted....until then, load the guns people. I defend America against all enemies foreign and domestic!
Tex
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Sorry, meant to say 3000 civilians....
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That Mosque where Dennis the K is pictured is pretty close to where I work.
I had no idea DK was a speaker of visitor there. I wonder how his vigen, pro abortion, gay rights platform went over at the Northgate Mosque. So what is the attraction between the far left and Islam? IÂ’d have thrown tomatoes at him if he had come to my Parish.
The Mosque in the article is actually in the south end of Seattle in the Rainier Valley (The Hood).
IÂ’m glad the Feds are on this one as the local pols and the local media would treat treason as a problem of society and blame us the locals for our small minds.
Anything anti Bush in Seattle is OK up to and including treason.
ItÂ’s that bad here.
Posted by: Brad at November 17, 2005 10:59 PM (6mUkl)
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Question? Why do we have somali immigrants in Seattle or anywhere else in America. Does Seattle need more traffic jams? What does a muslim african add to this society? What benefit does America get from bringing them here? That is the stupid part of this entire immigrant program. Just what Seattle needs more black muslims. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Need an example? It's called France. And don't tell me we need the labor. We have 30 million Christian Mexicans begging to get in.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 05:25 AM (ZaAd/)
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Actually I believe a riot and car burnings by muslims in Seattle would be a good thing. Wake Seattle up? Naw!
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 05:32 AM (ZaAd/)
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Rooster, It’s kind of funny, but that Mosque is surrounded by taxicabs when they gather for their services. Every cab driver in this city is a “Skinny” kind of guy. I drive by and yell “get to work” damn things are parked everywhere around here. Who ever was driving cabs before lost their jobs to these guys.
Muslim riots in Seattle? Remember WTO?
If the 2-5% of the Islamic population rioted in Seattle the libs up here would fold in a week. Once the PI ran a photo of a car burning, Starbucks trashing, illegal immigrant from somewhere sandy getting his head beat in by the Seattle PD, the city would sign surrender papers the next day.
Now, Eastern Washington where my dad and father in law live, thatÂ’s a different story. I can see my father in law picking them off like Davy Crocket at the Alamo defending his riverfront cabin.
Metro Seattle is blue as blue can be. Eastern Washington is Red as red can be. That says it all.
Posted by: Brad at November 18, 2005 08:34 AM (6mUkl)
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Brad,
Missed ya man. Where have you been and what have you been up to? In any event, welcome back. And if you've been here and I missed your comment, well, promise not to sue me.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 02:12 PM (rUyw4)
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Joe, IÂ’ve been pretty busy. My oldest daughter started at Catholic high school this fall and the $850 tuition hit me a little harder than expected. I started working a 2nd job putting in sport courts and sidewalks part time with a couple of friends who are firefighters (man those guys only have to work about 6 days a month). ItÂ’s getting pretty cold and wet now, so we will be putting the concrete biz on the shelf until spring. I checked in here and saw the post and recognized the mosque right away.
I would never sue anyone; my dad is a retired MD and trained me early on to hate lawyers.
Posted by: Brad at November 18, 2005 02:29 PM (3OPZt)
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Your dad taught you well, Brad. Good to have you back.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 11:25 PM (rUyw4)
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This COMMENT section is just full of craps..why are you guys Insulting Somalians when you're topic has nothing to do with immigrants or somalians ?...
you are all RACIST!!! for talking Nagitively about somalians!!!! and that's NOT right..
Posted by: Aliyah at February 10, 2006 08:12 PM (CqPDK)
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This COMMENT section is just full of craps..why are you guys Insulting Somalians when you're topic has nothing to do with immigrants or somalians ?...
you are all RACIST!!! for talking Nagitively about somalians!!!! and that's NOT right..
Posted by: Aliyah at February 10, 2006 08:15 PM (CqPDK)
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i feel sorry for some people who were commenting about why muslims are every where or that they would never bother to live in muslim countryies...
well, to all of you who can't STAND muslims, Muslims are everywhere on the globe, and they are going to increase each day, NOBODY will stop them except the Almighty GOD... and hey i have good news for you al, if are searching for a place where MUSLIMS won't be found, try going to HELL, i guarentee you won't be finding MUSLIMS in hell, that's for SURE...!!1
if disagree let me know
Aliyah206@yahoo.com
Posted by: Aliyah at February 10, 2006 08:32 PM (CqPDK)
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400 years of occupation, 100's millions dead, 100's millions suffering, the rich got richer the poor got deader, more to follow ... the endless cycle. jesus is not our leader, obviously its the devil that you love, youve just got a full ride to hell univeristy, your infinite lesson in eternal damnation. bring your 666 SPF lil piggies.
Posted by: yankgohome at February 13, 2006 11:01 PM (1ruAY)
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I think you all are really freaky ass racist people I am muslim and Guess what also american. The word muslim means submission to god and guess what you all are doing submiting to the devil so why don't you include all the muslims in your next SAYONCE or whatever you all do and guess what we'll all be waiting for you to come and "PICK US OFF". Or at least i'll be waiting why dont you try going to where your fellow christians are and try talking all that jabba jabba I got two words for all you red necks YEAH RIGHT! And for all of you trailer park goers ease up off the Meth and Coor's your all starting to look like some Zombies.
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November 03, 2005
Short Memory, MSNBC?
OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scooter Libby get indicted for perjury because they didn't have any proof that Valerie Plame was "outed?" At least that was the impression that I got. Because if you could actually prove the charges you were investigating, you would have indicted for them instead of some other thing that you just happen to think you might have found.
Yet, with that in mind, MSNBC runs a story today that not only says that Scooter Libby is guilty *before trial* of things that he hasn't been charged with, but goes on to say that people have come forth to testify that it actually was Karl Rove that leaked Valerie Plame's name to the press. They don't just indicate that this might be or that "rumors have it..." They come right out and say Rove is guilty and his security clearance should be removed. And strongly indicate that the Bush presidency can go nowhere until Rove is fired. Proof, you say?
...a person identified as “Official A” held conversations with reporters about Plame’s identity as an undercover CIA operative, information that was classified. News accounts subsequently confirmed that that official was Rove.
News accounts. I wonder if those news accounts (which I haven't seen or heard) are as trustworthy as this one. I also wonder why, if this is the case and they have such rock-solid evidence of a crime, the special prosecuter hasn't handed down an indictment on Rove? After all, he had plenty of opportunity. And he never once indicated in his press conference after Libby's indictment that he was looking for or at anyone else. As a matter of fact, he seemed to believe that Libby was completly guilty of the whole matter.
And with the cries of outrage coming from MSNBC today, one has to wonder what happened to their voice on April 12, 2005 when the Washington Post reports that:
During a hearing on John R. Bolton's nomination to be ambassador to the United Nations, Bolton and members of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee referred to the analyst as "Mr. Smith." They were discussing one of the officials involved in a dispute over what Democrats said was Bolton's inappropriate treatment of an intelligence analyst who disagreed with him.
But the committee chairman, Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), and Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) mentioned a name that had not previously come up in public accounts of the intelligence flap.
"Did Otto Reich share his belief that [the person in question] should be removed from his position? The answer is yes," Kerry said, characterizing one interview. "Did John Bolton share that view?" Kerry asked. Again, he said the answer was yes.
The CIA had repeatedly asked, even in writing, that the identity of this person not be mentioned in these public hearings. That is why everyone else was referring to him as Mr. Smith. But the esteemed Senator from Massachusetts just couldn't seem to help himself as he "outed" this agent. Where was the outcry? Where were the calls for indictment? Wasn't this a crime of terrible proportions? Didn't this, in the words of special prosecuter Fitzgerald "create a terrible danger for all Americans?" And if not, then why is it so much more horrible for Libby? Of course I think we all know the answer to that question.
Update: kimsch of Musing Minds believes that the "sources" quoted above are actually Howard Dean on Hannity & Colmes. Reading through the transcript (posted at the link above), this could certainly be the truth. Some excerpts:
Alan Colmes: WhatÂ’s your reaction to the nomination of Alito?
Howard Dean: Ah, a couple of reactions. First of all I think it shows the PresidentÂ’s weakness. The extreme right of the party seems to be driving the judicial nominations process and I think thatÂ’s unfortunate. Secondly, we still wonder when the PresidentÂ’s going to ask Karl Rove to resign since heÂ’s now been identified by the special prosecutor as the person who leaked the name. So, this all comes, uh, as kind of a, at kind of a difficult time. Uh, I donÂ’t. I think the PresidentÂ’s really using this as a distraction right now to get away from his ethical troubles. (emphasis mine)
One has to wonder where Dean is getting his information. Certainly not from the special prosecuter as he hasn't said anything about Rove. Of course one also has to wonder what that has to do with Alito as well. But no one ever accused the Democrats (especially Dean) of making sense.
Alan Colmes: Is it your belief that the President chose today to make this choice as a distraction from the indictment news?
Howard Dean: Oh sure. But the indictment is not going to go away. The President promised he would fire anyone who leaked. Karl Rove has now been shown to have leaked, even though he wasnÂ’t charged with a crime. This is a big ethical problem for the President. The President gave us his word that he would fire anyone who leaked. So far he hasnÂ’t done that. WeÂ’re waiting to see if the President will keep his word.
Alan Colmes: Well, there have been three different standards. First, McClellan said anybody involved in, then he said if anybody leaked, then if anybody committed a crime. Are you calling for the resignation of Karl Rove?
Howard Dean: Absolutely. Karl Rove has no business having a security clearance having now been established as a leaker by the special prosecutor. As I say, he wasnÂ’t charged with a crime, what he did was, not, certainly unethical. And he ought not to have a security clearance and he ought not to be working and being paid for by the taxpayersÂ’ money. (emphasis mine)
Dean then switches horses in midstream and claims that instead of Rove being the leak, it's now Cheney.
Howard Dean: Well, I'm not so sure about that although if there is such a thing, it'll be in the Vice President's office. And I do think there needs to be more investigation in the Vice President's office. One of the things established by the special prosecutor in the indictment is that Vice President Cheney was the source of Scooter Libbity's, Libby's knowledge about who the CIA agent was.
Alan Colmes: Are you calling for a broader investigation of the Vice President?
Howard Dean: Oh, I think there should be. I suspect strongly that, frankly that the prosecutor's already doing that because he, himself identified the Vice President as a source of some of the information that got leaked.
And just to make sure, I checked the special prosecutor's website again today (again, thanks to Musing Minds). No mention of Rove or Cheney. But we all knew that, didn't we? Heck, a full search of Libby's Indictment press release doesn't even mention Rove or Cheney. Even the indictment itself has no mention of either of them.
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"Fitzmas Day" was supposed to feature Rove's frogmarch into custody, followed shortly by the impeachment of the President and the collapse of his administration. Since that didn't happen, the DNC and their communications operatives at NBC, CBS, ABC, et.al. have become frustrated and desperate. Hence, Harry Reid's hijacking of the Senate, and this piece of "journalism" from MSNBC.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 03, 2005 09:03 AM (RHG+K)
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Another "fake but true" story from the mainstream media. Not a huge surprise.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 03, 2005 09:23 AM (8e/V4)
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well perhaps the "outcry" did not happen because the CIA did not believe that the "outing" of an analyst was a grave breech of national security. Plame was a covert operative for years based overseas. Her outing did not endanger her but it did endanger any of the foreign nationals with whom she had contact. The classification level of employment relationship between an analyst working at Landley is far different than that of a case officer working overseas, even under "diplomatic" cover which of course is not THAT deep/
Posted by: john Ryan at November 03, 2005 09:36 AM (ads7K)
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Which might be an acceptable excuse if the CIA had not sent letters to all the Senators on that comittee asking them NOT to use the agent's name during the Bolton hearings. Not only did Kerry "out" this agent, but completly ignored requests by the CIA not to do that. Seems to me that it should have been some sort of big deal or they wouldn't have made such a request.
Posted by: Drew at November 03, 2005 09:39 AM (Ml8z/)
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Well Bluto, you know the drill. If the facts don't fit the story, run the damn thing anyway, and make up the facts as you go along.
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John Ryan:
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. one could argue that the exposure of the CIA front company that was on her resume, may have endangered a lot of covert operations too, but "saying" doesn't mean it's a fact.
The person that wrote the law they said was breached, said she would not be protected under it due to the fact she did not meet the criteria of the act, which I guess means even if they did 'out' her, it wasn't a crime?
Posted by: dave at November 03, 2005 09:57 AM (CcXvt)
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The conclusion I make from all this is that we have certain agents in the CIA who have taken it upon themselves to try for a regime change in the US without the benefit of an election. Normally, the Democrats would be calling for an investigation, and the fact that they are not is further confirmation of my theory. Conservatives must be ready to act if this coup is attempted.
As I have said many times in the past, the liberals have one set of rules for them, and an entirely different set for everyone else. You know how special they think they are. Hypocrisy at its very worse.
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Drew:
OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scooter Libby get indicted for perjury because they didn't have any proof that Valerie Plame was "outed?" At least that was the impression that I got.
The main reason he wasn't indicted, according to Fitz, is that they didn't have enough evidence to prove intent. The example given was of a pitched "beaning" a batter. There wasn't any question about whether the batter was hit, just about whether the pitcher intended to do so. The argument seems plausible, except that the pitch analogy doesn't quite work. If Libby knew that Plame was a covert-status agent and he shared that information with a reporter wouldn't the revelation have to have been intentional? If, however, the facts he gave fell short of a revelation and he inadvertently gave enough that the reporter could have researched the rest then it might have been inadvertent. The indictment is about what Libby knew, and when he knew it, not what he did with that knowledge. And that suggests that there's a good deal of doubt about exactly what he did to reveal Plame's identity. We are led to believe that he must have done a lot of "hinting" and just went too far. I mean, if Fitz's analogy of the "beaned" batter makes any sense at all.
The CIA had repeatedly asked, even in writing, that the identity of this person not be mentioned in these public hearings. That is why everyone else was referring to him as Mr. Smith. But the esteemed Senator from Massachusetts just couldn't seem to help himself as he "outed" this agent. Where was the outcry?
Indeed. The only salient issue would be whether the agent was covert, and if he was then Kerry ought to be the subject of an investigation and indictment. That fact that he was not even investigated suggests that the agent wasn't covert, but we don't know that for a fact. The CIA might have wanted to keep his identity unknown for purely personnel reasons, having nothing to do with covert operations. Good question though.
Posted by: Demosophist at November 03, 2005 10:31 AM (AY+pL)
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Dean's comment that Cheney told Libby is moot. Cheney and Libby can discuss covert agents by name all day long between themselves. They each have the clearance to have such information and to discuss it. What did Dean think he was proving with that? I think he was just hoping that enough people wouldn't know that Cheney would not be breaking any laws by talking to Libby about a covert agent and thereby make him "appear" complicit to the public. And Colmes played right along.
Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2005 02:08 PM (fl6E1)
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More of the usial from the NBC vulture since they have retired the peacock years ago
Posted by: sandpiper at November 03, 2005 08:07 PM (I9Upt)
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Just keep throwing everything/anything in the desperate hope that something sticks - work it, twist it, hype it ... yeah thats the ticket ...NOT
Voting is like buying a car. You go to two dealerships. First guy shows you what he has and trys to sell you on it (GOP)
Second guy (DEM)spends all his (any yours) time telling you the other guy is cruel to pets, steals candy from babies, wants your aged mother to live in the streets etc. etc. etc.
I came to buy a freakin' car (DEM) asshole! Is that your pitch! Is that the best you can do?
Much ado about nothing is a clear sing of desperation and weakness - see it for what it is and enjoy the show.
Posted by: hondo at November 03, 2005 09:29 PM (ymtSt)
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On a mean and petty note - Colmes' face looks like a ventriloquist's puppet. [ O_o Oh, wait a minute ..... ]
Posted by: Oyster at November 04, 2005 08:34 AM (fl6E1)
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Colmes looks like a Muppet made from and old shoe leather.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 04:37 PM (0yYS2)
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November 02, 2005
Sheehan For Carpetbagger
When
Newsmax and the
Village Voice report nearly identical political stories on the same day it can mean only one thing. Someone's been planting a story. Shenanigans are afoot.
From Newsmax:
Will Cindy Sheehan challenge Hillary Clinton for her Senate seat in 2006?
That's the proposition percolating throughout New York's anti-war left, which has grown increasingly frustrated with Sen. Clinton's refusal to denounce the Bush administration's Iraq policy.
From the
Village Voice:
Cindy Sheehan, a/k/a the "peace mom," probably never intended to sound like a candidate, but she did. Sheehan, the activist who became the face of anti-war sentiment after camping outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, last summer, had just mounted the podium at the Brooklyn Peace Fair on October 22. And already she was getting political.
Farbeit from me to imply that candidates can't prosper by counting on the stupidity of New York City voters (Upstate New York, a red state within a blue state, doesn't have a large enough population to have a say in electing Senators or Presidents). They certainly can, as seen by the urbanites' election of Hillary the Carpetbagger and the equally ineffectual Chuck Schumer. So, it's possible that Saint Cindy is planning a serious run for NYC Senator.
More likely, Sheehan is simply a stalking horse for Hillary's re-election to the Senate and anticipated run for the White House. There's obviously no way that Hillary is going to run for President successfully as a liberal. That makes Sheehan's antics just so, so convenient politically, as a way to allow Clinton to pretend to be a moderate Democrat in 2008. The real question here is, what did Hill promise Sheehan and her followers? Support for a cut-and-run policy? A place in the cabinet?
That's not to say that there's anything illegal with clandestine collusion between Clinton and Sheehan. Just an indication that the wife shares the husband's character.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto, but ask yourself one question before you click on this link. "Am I cool enough to visit Bluto's crib?"
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Sheehan is to Hillary as mutton is to a wolf.
Interesting theory about Hillary leveraging CShee for moderate political footing, but I don't buy it. That Hillary Bitch is trying to out Neocon the Ziocons. She's an adjunct Senator for Israel. I'd vote for CShee over Hilllary in a minute.
Bluto,
This post is an attempt to entice those who are unsure of their coolness, into a discussion.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 02, 2005 07:37 PM (TVaWo)
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greg is right. This is an obvious ploy by the Village Voice types in the Democrat party to make Hilary look moderate and electable. Who cares, it's not real.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 02, 2005 07:46 PM (8e/V4)
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That's what I get for skimming. You're wrong greg. It's a ploy. I wish Hilary were a neocon, but she's not. She's just faking it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 02, 2005 07:48 PM (8e/V4)
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CShee is a Bitchee who couldn't win a political race unless she happened to be in an insane asylum. Oh, did you say New York City? She could win.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 02, 2005 07:48 PM (rUyw4)
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I agree she's a fake.
OOoooh! OOoooH! Yeah baby!
(Hillary Faking It)
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 02, 2005 08:03 PM (TVaWo)
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Anyone want to join me for iceskating in hell? Greg is right, in his own X-Files-esque "there's-a-jooo-under-my-bed" paranoid sort of way. That, however, does not negate the fact that whether Cindy is only acting to make Hitlery more palatable, or is high as a kite on her fifteen minutes of fame and thinks she could actually win, neither scenario is good news for the Dhimmicrats. The Barking Moonbat vote is probably about 10% of the Dhimmi's constituency, if not more, and if a strong Republican, or even a less repulsive Democrat with less baggage, were to challenge Hitlery, the fraction that Our Lady of the Ditch would take from her could be a death blow. My only question is: Where do I send the donations to Cindy's campaign?
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The Republicans are unlikely to waste a strong candidate on a New York Senate race, but anyway, Cindy doesn't really have to run, just make noises about it. It's all about perception and soundbites. Hillary can't run for the White House as a liberal. Sheehan's actions help build the moderate myth.
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All true Bluto, but I think the libtards are the only ones stupid enough to think that casting the Ditch Witch opposite Hitlery will do anything but highlight their similarities rather than differences. Giuliani could beat her hands-down, but I think he's deluding himself that he could be President. Perhaps he could be Condi's VP, but he's too nice to be President. We need a firebrand, and Condi is as fiery as they come.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 12:49 AM (0yYS2)
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Maxie!!!!!!!!
Rudy nice? He's one vindictive mean tough SOB with one really abrasive personality!!! And I voted for him 3 times!!! Joke here in NY is even his own friends don't like him! He saved this city but sure as hell not with his pleasant smile.
9/11 I was on site almost immediately working with the water evacuation - headed inland with some PD and deckhands looking to guide stragglers down to the Marina and Battery Park - we actually ran into Rudy & crew - friend said he must be a fuckin' idiot to be down here - well - we were all down there sooooo .....
nice - he ain't - good & tough yes.
Posted by: hondo at November 03, 2005 01:23 AM (ymtSt)
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I don't think there is anything to read into the two stories. NewsMax is a tabloid and the Village Voice couldn't survive anywhere BUT in a Moonbat colony.
Cindy would have to move to NY to run. She couldn't survive ten minutes in NY. She ain't tough enough. What's she gonna do anyway?
Cry for votes? "Vote for me! [sniffle, snork]"
Hillary's losing her base with every mention of the war. To be in cahoots with Cindy on boosting her image as a moderate would only make things worse. She won't gain enough votes on the right to make up for her lost votes on the left. The only votes she'll gain on the right is weak-willed women. And trust me. She probably thought at first that Cindy was "cool", but since Cindy's insulted her .... whoa nellie .... hell hath no wrath like Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2005 06:27 AM (YudAC)
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Hillary's base isn't going to vote for a Republican. Not even if Hillary comes out for invading Iran and Syria and names Adolf Hitler as her running mate. She knows that. They'll squawk and whine, but they'll still back Hillary. I don't see what she has to lose by trying to hide her true colors and run from the center.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 03, 2005 09:10 AM (RHG+K)
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Okay, not her "far-left" base, but if Hillary runs against someone like McCain in '08 she'll lose a number of those democrats just left of center. If she runs against a republican further from center, it'll be a different story.
Betcha.
Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2005 09:44 AM (fl6E1)
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Bluto, I'm afraid you might be right, especially about Hitler, who would definitely help soften her public image.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 09:47 AM (0yYS2)
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actually, if you cut New York City out of new york, Bush would have seriously still lost. Same if you add westchester and long island.
additionally, chuck schumer won every county in NY except for hamilton in 04. ineffectual? he's chair of the DSCC!? You could make the argument that he barely won in 1998, but it was against a republican born also born in NYC and raised on Long Island.
I'm also tired of these arguments about how people in rural areas don't have a say just because there are fewer of them. JUST because there a fewer of them?
If upstate wants to succeed that's great. I'll take the 89% of the tax revenue that the city (49%) long island, rockland, and westchester (40%) send to the state and improve subways and schools.
In a lot of ways, this is symptomatic of much of the rest of the country. Small red-state populations complaining about waste imposed by blue-state liberals who are actually paying the most into the treasury and getting the least back.
Hillary needs to swing towards the center, and frankly, cindy sheehan doesn't matter. didn't matter for bush, will matter less for clinton. she could eat a baby and kick a priest in the balls and she would still trounce pirro by 20+ points.
Posted by: FU at November 03, 2005 04:10 PM (JJYcT)
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Cindy and hillary sister carpet baggers
Posted by: sandpiper at November 03, 2005 08:09 PM (I9Upt)
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FU: Don't throw me in dat briar patch, Br'er Fox. We've been begging you City parasites to let us secede for years. You've bled us dry, first by attracting Welfare recipients from the entire Eastern seaboard and Puerto Rico, now by voting as a bloc to consume the lion's share of not only State income, but Federal funds, as well.
The population of New York State is 19 million. 11 million live in NYC and account for the common interest (something for nothing) voting bloc that elects NYS Senators and decides electoral votes. Just like a typically provincial NYC lib to consider 8 million people a "small rural population".
You also might want to check on just how much the City is getting back, and in what ways. People die up here every winter for want of money to salt and plow state roads. Of course those who die are only useless rural trash in your eyes, but still. Also look into income from the Port Authority, too, which is a drain on State resources, but enriches City coffers.
I was being kind to Shumer. He's worse than ineffectual. He's part of the Dem minority that is hoping for the GWOT to go south. Hillary, too, no matter how many sausages she gobbles at the state fair.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 03, 2005 08:38 PM (RHG+K)
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Remember brer rabbit was born in the briar patch
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The Left Speaks With Forked Tongue.
Ever wonder why the left is always on the negative? Why despite so many successes they scream defeat? Because they think if they just shout the same message long enough and loud enough it will become true. Sadly a good portion of the public does fall prey to this strategy.
Boston Globe registration required : That depends on what you consider ''important." Do you see the war against radical Islam and Ba'athist fascism as the most urgent conflict of our time? Do you believe that replacing tyranny with democratic self-government is ultimately the only antidote to the poison that has made the Middle East so dangerous and violent? If so, you'll have no trouble identifying the most significant development in Iraq last week: the landslide victory of the new Iraqi Constitution.
Also see Rantingprof :
You would think the left would be all happy about a black being elected unless that black man is conservative.
More left twisty stuff from Michelle Malkin.
Malkin : These are words you did not read in the New York Times. They are the words of the late Corporal Jeffrey B. Starr, whose letter to his girlfriend in case of death in Iraq was selectively edited by the Times to convey a bogus sense of "fatalism."
Our Friend Filthy has a great post on the hypocrisy of the left. See this direct link to the post in case you are kind of sensitive. No really itÂ’s good stuff.
Don't get the impression that you arouse my anger. You see, one can only be angry with those he respects(RMN). I've found very little reason to respect much in Washington. But at least the right seems to know what side our side is. If the left thinks the middle of Republican party (that would be me) is going to go with them by default they could not be more wrong. It takes concrete ideas and I could not be more turned off than I am right now.
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http://www.topplebush.com/oped2290.shtml
Posted by: Route Irish at November 02, 2005 06:04 PM (Eh9tH)
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Hi Route Irish. How are you? Ya don't say.... Really? Well, have a nice day. See ya next post.
Posted by: Oyster at November 02, 2005 06:13 PM (YudAC)
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There's a blog called toppleBush.com. I bet it is fair and balanced.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 02, 2005 07:53 PM (rUyw4)
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Route Irish is deaf. That is why he/she never says anything. Lay off, Oyster.
j/k
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 02, 2005 08:08 PM (rUyw4)
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051103/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=AtmfD_zQA7w7Q0mXvOuTlDqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-
Posted by: Route Irish at November 02, 2005 08:12 PM (Eh9tH)
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Heh. It really is funny that this moron keeps excreting links and fleeing, thinking he's struck a mighty blow. You keep fighting the power buddy!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 09:55 AM (0yYS2)
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IM,
I've never even been to a single one of his links. I'm too lazy to type all those numbers and letters in. HaHa!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 03, 2005 10:28 AM (rUyw4)
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JJ, all you have to do is highlight the string and copy it, then paste to your browser. I catalog them in a folder named "stupidity and propaganda", in order to use them as evidence when the mass-hangings begin.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 11:16 AM (0yYS2)
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I'm too lazy to highlight them, too. They do not interest me in the least.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 03, 2005 03:30 PM (rUyw4)
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Like I said, evidence.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 04:42 PM (0yYS2)
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