November 29, 2005
What Fallujah War Crimes?
Clinton Taylor's latest from Townhall:
WP is a terrible weapon, but it isnÂ’t illegal, and the charges are ably refuted in this essay by Scott Burgess. All that needs to be added to BurgessÂ’ analysis is some context: Fallujah was Al-QaedaÂ’s vision of paradise on earth, their ideal Taliban-style Islamic government, and it was hell. It was a nest of insurgent command and control, a site for making suicide vests and IEDÂ’s, and a slaughterhouse where beheadings were filmed and sent over the Internet to recruit more terrorists. (This slide show offers a chilling retrospective.)
Our troops are there to kill the enemy efficiently, not to inflict pain on them. When a bullet or a conventional explosive can do the job, it makes moral, tactical, and public-relations sense to employ it instead of WP. In this case, though, more Marines would have been killed had the Fallujah jihadists not been routed from their fortifications by the Willie-Peter rounds. Most of America sheds no tears for the head-hacking ghouls of FallujahÂ’s dungeons, who got no worse than they deserved, and who now reside where white phosphorus feels like a cool shower.
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Let's not forget that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had turned Fallujah over to 'Shura councils' that were enforcing Taliban-like Sharia law. Crimes such as owning Western CD's were punished in Fallujah with execution for the unrepentant.
And the Left still thinks liberating that city was a mistake? Perhaps they also think Europe should have been left to the Nazis since, you know, invading the Continent caused so many civilian casualites......?
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Offcourse it was a mistake, it meant the left's terrorist allies no longer had a haven from which they could fight the left's hated America.
All the better i say.
Posted by: MathewK at November 29, 2005 06:20 PM (pVHqF)
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Fallujah was a fine live place before Amreeka invaded Iraqi
Posted by: Malik at November 29, 2005 07:08 PM (bnZIS)
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Crack out the WP. The world needs more dead insurgents.
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at November 29, 2005 07:15 PM (WvUov)
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Incidentally Malik is from Iran. He might be interested to note that Zarqawi--who helped run Fallujah before the U.S. liberated it--has declared all Shia 'Murtadd Fitri' & 'kufr' (apostates and infidels).
Yes, I'm sure it was such a wonderful place to live under the Sunni shura councils.
Brilliant.
Posted by: Rusty at November 29, 2005 07:17 PM (JQjhA)
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A truly epic response. And I never knew Rusty was a Navy man.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at November 29, 2005 08:49 PM (sH4J5)
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WP is freakin' great, and I love to smell it in the morning; it smells like victory. Or teen spirit. Either way, it's good stuff.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 29, 2005 11:21 PM (0yYS2)
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Agent Brown calculates that "WP" in Improbulus Maximus' post above refers to "wet panties", color undetermined, probably pink, owner most likely "Ahmad Fadeel al-Nazal al-Khalayleh".
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November 22, 2005
Kos and the Left Betray Our Troops and Nation
Dear Markos,
You and the Left are sounding more and more like al Jazeera every day. You're blind hatred of the Bush Administration is endangering the lives of U.S. soldiers and embolding our enemies to kill them.
I know you 'love' America, but your 'love' of America is like that of an abusive husband who 'loves' his wife. You 'love' America so much that you will not let any opportunity pass to belittle and abuse her. You 'love' America only when America acts in exactly the way in which you believe it should act. When America gets out of line, you pull no punches.
Whether you 'love' America is beside the point just as whether an abusive husband 'loves' his wife is irrelevant. What I and the rest of America want is less of your proclamations of love, and more evidence of it.
From reading your blog I have come to the inevetable conclusion that you 'love' America so much that you are willing to kill it. I know you have the best of intentions for our great nation, but so does the abusive husband who really didn't mean to kill that bitch wife of his, but, you know, she just up and made him soooo angry that he couldn't help himself.
You have betrayed America with your perverse love in the exact way that an abusive husband betrays a wife. You are a traitor.
Your latest screed on the use of white phosphorous by the U.S. military in Fallujah is really beyond the pale. Equivocating between the U.S. military and the Saddam Hussein regime is exactly what our terrorist enemies do in their propoganda. You say:
Saddam tortured, we torture. Saddam used WP chemical weapons against insurgents and civilians, we use WP chemical weapons against insurgents and civilians.
Jeff
Goldstein responds to your the substance of your treasonous allegations here.
Perhaps you are unaware of this, but supporters of al Qaeda read blogs like yours and take them seriously. The reason they fight us in Iraq is that they believe, like you do, that the U.S. is the moral equivalent of Saddam Hussein. Each time you publish insane theories about the U.S. using chemical weapons, they eat it up.
If you actually believe that the U.S. is as bad as Saddam Hussein regime, then I suggest you grow a backbone and join the mujahidin in Iraq. The moral implications of your statements are that we are the bad guys. If such is the case, then the inevetable conclusion for you--or an Iraqi 'fence-sitter'--is that morality requires armed resistance to the U.S.
In fact, at a jihadi forum which I frequent, the terrorists and their supporters make the exact same argument that you are making. White phosphorous has become quite the hot topic lately 'proving' that the mujahidin are in the right and that the U.S. really is the Great Satan.
Thank you for legitimizing the jihadists and their belief system. They love Americans like you and use words like yours to benefit their recruitment efforts. See, they say, even the Americans now understand that their own government must be stopped.
Which is exactly the morally correct conclusion to reach if you actually believe the U.S. is guilty of systematic torture, mass murder, and the use of WMD against civilians.
If you believe this, though, than you have made yourself an enemy of the United States of America. No, not the Bush Administration, but the United States. The country which you love, but only insofar as she acts in the exact manner proscribed by you.
You are like so many member of the Communist Party USA in the late 1940s and 1950s who loved America so much that they gave our nuclear secrets to the Soviets. Their acts of treason, like yours, were done out of concern for the nation and for principle. They didn't hate the U.S., they loved it, but only to the extent that their love was conditioned on the U.S. acting in the exact way in which they thought it should act.
They, like you, believed a strong U.S. was a danger to world stability. Thus, in their own warped minds, giving the A-bomb to the Soviets was the only morally appropriate thing to do. It was for America's own good, they thought.
Markos, I don't mind it when you attack one of Bush's Supreme Court nominees. That's just domestic politics. But war is different. Tearing down our troops and comparing them to Hussein's murderous Republican Guard is outside the bounds of patriotic dissent.
And please don't hide behind your military service. Plenty of traitors have served in the United States armed forces and plenty of patriots have had no military experience. Benadict Arnold, Aaron Burr, and Lee Harvey Oswald all served with distinction before they betrayed the country. Bill Clinton, a patriot in my book, had no military record.
Last, you might argue that it is the actions of the troops that have disgraced our country and not your characterization of them. This is an idiotic thing to say when the morality of the actions are in dispute.
Using white phosphorous during a battle is a fact. Calling them WMD is a characterization---a choice of words meant to equivocate them with Saddam Hussein's gassing of the Kurds. It is your characterization--your choice of words--which degrades the soldiers who chose to use white phosphorous in the heat of battle to help the U.S. win victory over its enemies.
Facts are always morally neutral. It is human judgement that gives meaning to facts. By choosing to equivocate the use of white phosphorous to the gassing of the Kurds, you have morally judged our troops. You, in word and deed, have called our troops mass murderers. You have chosen to characterize them this way.
In light of that, I believe it would not be unfair to characterize you as a traitor. The kind of traitor that believes they are doing the right thing for the country that they love. But, alas, if you knew anything about traitors you would understand that the vast majority of them are well intentioned.
Cordially,
Rusty Shackleford
UPDATE: Apparently this has generated a lot of outrage. It should.
John Cole is pissed.
Confederate Yankee expresses righteouss indignation.
The Commissar, Dread Pundit Bluto, & Wunder Kraut agree.
Caedorioa has a slightly different nuance.
John at Castle Argghhh debunks the WP thing here.
Dean Esmay is right on here.
INDCent Bill makes up a new game out of this.
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Murtha Has History of Urging Cut & Run
Jason at Generation Why does the yeoman's work of investigating Rep. John Murtha's (D-France) policy stances. The single greatest mistake made by the Clinton Administration was cutting and running from Somalia. Why, you ask? Because the financial and logistical force behind the warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid was a much more insidious and, at the time, unknown character: Osama bin Laden.
As Jason notes in his excellent post, Murtha urged cutting-and-running from Somalia too--making the sacrifices of the men who died their vanity.
Osama had something of a religious experience while in Somalia in which he predicted that America would cut-and-run. When the U.S. did pull its troops from Somalia, some Muslims--including Osama himself--took this as a sign that bin Laden had mystical powers. Bin Laden would later recall to ABC News:
"Our people realize[d] more than before that the American soldier is a paper tiger that run[s] in defeat after a few blows," the terror chief recalled. "America forgot all about the hoopla and media propaganda and left dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat."
Even though the reason most Democrats have for wanting our troops to immediately withdraw from Iraq comes from a good place (not wanting our troops to be harmed), the lesson our Islamist enemies will learn from such a withdraw is that the U.S. is weak, just as they predicted. We cannot let them have such a victory. The time for the policy debate about a military action must be BEFORE troops are deployed. Once they are deployed, it must be the policy of the United States of America to win at all costs. Anything less will only reify the mystic worldview of Islamists in believing that Allah is on their side and will lead to more acts of terror around the world.
More from Jason at Generation Why.
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>>>"Our people realize[d] more than before that the American soldier is a paper tiger that run
in defeat after a few blows,"
Osama got it wrong. It's not the American soldier that runs in defeat after a few blows, it's these traitorous Liberals and their enablers in the mainstream media who are the bloody cowards.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 22, 2005 08:50 AM (8e/V4)
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Is it just me or does he look like Jonathan Winters' twin?
Posted by: Oyster at November 22, 2005 09:14 AM (fl6E1)
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A much more important question for all you dumb@sses, but is way above your head cause you are a bunch of dumb@sses would be
1)what were US soldiers doing in Somali to begin with.
2)what are US soldiers doing in Iraq to begin with.
Nothing besides screwing in other countries affairs where the US has no right to meddle.
When you continue a road of stupid policy, soldiers will die, in vain.
Murtha is giving you apes a great opportunity to jump back on the side of right, but instead you crawl deeper in the anus of wrong.
good luck pulling your head out.
choke on that turkey bluecoats.
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They were in Somalia to try to feed starving people you fucktard moron, a mission which was an outgrowth of liberal foreign policies, as exemplified by your golden boy Bubba Clinton. Tell you what, if I ever see you starving, I won't screw around in your affairs, since I have no right to meddle.
This post is a prime example of why all liberals should be rounded up and dumped into an abandoned strip mine, alive, then covered over and forgotten about.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 22, 2005 09:42 AM (0yYS2)
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well stated Improbulus! I would help round up the liberals and dump their sorry anti-American asses in the mine with you. Liberals and the MSM are the biggest threat to America's existance!
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"1)what were US soldiers doing in Somali to begin with."
Good question, no good answer. We had no national interest in being there. However, once there the point becomes moot.
"2)what are US soldiers doing in Iraq to begin with."
We are there because we had a national interest in removing the Hussein regime. We are still there because we have a national interest in what sort of regime emerges. But, thanks for playing.
"Nothing besides screwing in other countries affairs where the US has no right to meddle."
We have a right to meddle in any country where we have a national interest.
"When you continue a road of stupid policy, soldiers will die, in vain."
When you don't support the troops and their mission, that is what makes their deaths vain. YOU make their death vain, not the policy. Policies are inherently neutral, only people construct meaning.
"Murtha is giving you apes a great opportunity to jump back on the side of right, but instead you crawl deeper in the anus of wrong."
Murtha is giving us 'apes' an opportunity to see how much people like you actually hate America and wish for her defeat.
You, on the Left, are like the abusive husband. You love America, of this I have no doubt, but only on your own terms and only inasmuch as America pleases you. You also love America so much that you will take every opportunity to beat her up when she displeases you.
Good luck pulling your head out of your ass. Again, thanks for playing.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 22, 2005 09:50 AM (JQjhA)
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The troll doesn't even know how irrelevant he is. Keep up the frontal lobe release little man.
Posted by: Oyster at November 22, 2005 11:03 AM (fl6E1)
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ironic.
one minute the United States is accused of not helping Africa because "they have no oil" yet when American soldiers are deployed in order to support the United Nations peace keeping and relief efforts they "shouldn't be there" and we have no "strategic need" to be there.
Then the left says the United States should have waited for the United Nations inspectors in Iraq, then you critique the U.S for supporting the United Nations?
Arguing with the left is like a dog chasing it's own tail.
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That's why I don't argue with them Dave, I just disparage them, which is actually better treatment than they deserve, and far better than they will get when TSHTF.
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>>>one minute the United States is accused of not helping Africa because "they have no oil" yet when American soldiers are deployed in order to support the United Nations peace keeping and relief efforts they "shouldn't be there" and we have no "strategic need" to be there.
You noticed too? That's because their tactic is to play both ends against the middle-- the middle being the United States. One set of moonbats vilifies the U.S. for intervening, while the other set of moonbats vilifies the U.S. for NOT intervening. Both sets of moonbats make mutually exclusive arguments but it doesn't matter because what really counts is their mutual hatred of America. And yet I just wouldn't DARE question their patriotism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 22, 2005 12:17 PM (8e/V4)
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You're right Carlos, we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 22, 2005 04:30 PM (0yYS2)
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Well said Dave, Carlos.
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November 21, 2005
Chris Matthews Jumps the Shark

Chris Matthews has finally jumped the shark. Excuse the metaphor, but Ace dropped the ball on the obvious one this time.
I've never understood why so many on the Right hated Matthews so much. Personally, I always liked him much more than, say, Bill O'Reilly. Yeah, I thought, he's a blowhard, but name some one on Fox, CNN, or MSNBC who isn't?
I'm beginning to see where that disdain comes from.
Edmonton Sun:
"The period between 9/11 and Iraq was not a good time for America. There wasn't a robust discussion of what we were doing," Matthews said.
"If we stop trying to figure out the other side, we've given up. The person on the other side is not evil -- they just have a different perspective."
Different perspective?
Right.
Matthews is the sort of liberal that would take great exception to Eisenhower's charicterization of WWII as the Crusade in Europe.
We dub thee: Chris Matthews, Dhimmi.
Malkin, Ace, and Charles Johnson, and Dan Riehl have more.
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Chris Matthews, the clown, the democratic operative, the liar and liberal apologist, the hardly objective MSNBC host(what a choice of words) who loves himself more than anyone. He's a piece of shit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 21, 2005 04:47 PM (rUyw4)
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In the old days people like Matthews would be tripping all over themselves to get firsthand coverage and interviews with "the otherside".
Not this time baby! They scare the crap out of them!
Matthews n' kind are a bit embarrased 'bout being well er - gutless ... so to compensate they beef up their left image here at home (where its safe and warm). Its called "courage".
One can have an interesting discussion on the newsfilm coverage from theater - not the content but the technical aspects. Comparative analysis with past conflicts and technique is an eye-opener - has anyone noticed what I am talking about?
Posted by: hondo at November 21, 2005 04:51 PM (Jvmry)
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Quote the Edmonton Sun? Isn't that in Canada? Latest news from Canada. No more white people will be hired by the Canadian Government. Without exception Canada has decided that only minorities can be hired. White folks don't need to eat to.
A year ago, I told you guys Canada was going butts up to the muslims and others. This should be proof enough.
Even the United States didn't go that far. Just stupid programs to alienate whites youths. Dumb assed programs like affirmative action and giving minorites points in hiring simply because they minorites. Or the worst of all. Giving others seats in college who score less on the SAT.
Canada is soon to be just another third world begger.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 21, 2005 04:57 PM (ZaAd/)
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I'm glad to know there was no discussion between 9/11 & Iraq, because frankly I was SICK of all the discussion at the time
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Posted by: The Ghost of Macktastick Rusty Wicked at November 21, 2005 05:07 PM (JQjhA)
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>>>"the liar and liberal apologist,"
and now the terrorist apologist. But, oh, I won't question his patriotism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2005 05:22 PM (8e/V4)
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I really dislike Chris Matthews (especially his rude treatment of Michelle Malkin), but let's give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
There is a real possibility that his reference was to the cantankerous fighting between Democrats and Republicans. Let's seee how he responds to this. He might not have realized how what he said was ambiguous and could have easily been taken the wrong way.
If he was refering to the terrorists, then I agree 10,000%: he has gone completely gone nuts.
Posted by: brightwinger at November 21, 2005 06:40 PM (RPsWa)
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point taken and I agree
Someone look into this a bit more we jump the shark.
Posted by: hondo at November 21, 2005 06:59 PM (Jvmry)
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Matthews is a punk ass bitch. People like him are the reason I have never met a New Englander I could stand.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 21, 2005 08:20 PM (0yYS2)
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Yeah, I'm with brightwinger.
And also bear in mind that the quote isn't given in any context at all... it is merely thrown into a very, very short summary of things that he said, and the ambiguity is probably the fault of the reporter who wrote the article.
I think Chris Matthews is a complete moron, but he wouldn't say something like that--I hope.
Posted by: Dave S at November 21, 2005 08:40 PM (RcK9w)
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i swear this is truth that you guys are some jackass republican funded scumball PR blog. Seriously , get out of your cubicle and look out the window. AMERICA HATES YOU. Thats why you have dichead cheney saying its "ok" for us to dissent from his holyness, oops that bush, i mean mr pat robertson.
america has abandoned your KOOKOO revolution, time to save face.
ernie
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ernie,
what, no "semper fi"? You're a phony, just like your stealth Liberal ideology. And it has to be stealthy because it's you Leftwing nutjobs America hates. If only most Americans knew half of what you Leftards really believe you'd be tarred and feathered and dumped into a river.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2005 11:52 PM (8e/V4)
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Damn it, I hate it when that happens... I felt 2 IQ points slipping away.
Damn you, Earnie! Damn you!
Posted by: Dave S at November 22, 2005 12:28 AM (RcK9w)
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Hey ernie, I thought I told you to shut up. Don't make me get out of the Bark-o-lounger and smack you around a bit.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at November 22, 2005 04:24 AM (CtVG6)
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ernie: Switch to decaf, will ya?
Posted by: Oyster at November 22, 2005 05:24 AM (YudAC)
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Ernie, WTF?
It'll be a cold day in hell before the majority of people agree with your wingnut self. Quit projecting!
By the way, heard of "spell check" dipshit?
You're probably some pasty-face zit ridden little 15 year old punk with no friends and you get your shits and giggles spending your time flaming people for attention.
What's wrong? Did mommy not breastfeed you? Did she drop you on your head? Do you even KNOW who your mother is?
Inquiring minds want to know...
Posted by: disgruntledinca at November 22, 2005 08:43 AM (IpG/2)
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Love it, because whattyaknow...IT'S TRUE! Which is why it burns your @ss so bad!
the truth hurts.
Posted by: Jawa and all Jawa supporters....Suck! at November 22, 2005 09:36 AM (/3n/k)
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Grey, how does the Edmonton Sun reporting a news story "prove" that Canada is going "butts up to the Muslims?" I'm interested in your logic.
Unless, of course, you're just using the fact that it's the Edmonton Sun being quoted to justify your own opinions.
Posted by: Venom at November 22, 2005 09:39 AM (dbxVM)
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America hates Republicans huh? I guess that's why the dhimmitards have been losing national elections for about ten years now? Goddamn idiot libtards all need killed.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 22, 2005 09:54 AM (0yYS2)
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I say we turn the electricity off on the liberal bastards for a few days and we can watch their black friends kill them.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 22, 2005 10:12 AM (rUyw4)
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JJ, given that the longer we go without a terrorist attack raises the probability of a really massive one, I'd say
we won't have to do anything, because the darlings of the media and the left, i.e. Osama and company, will take care of that. If we get a wave of really massive, multiple, coordinated attacks, our civil order will be shot to hell, and the cops will retreat and barricade themselves into their police stations, (remember the 1992 LA riots), and the liberals will be left at the tender mercy of those whom they've cultivated against society for so long. We evil conservatives, however, are generally well armed and unambiguous in our resolve to defend our homes, families, and country, so the coming possible cataclysm will favor us.
I wonder if liberals ever stop to consider that almost all the best terrorist targets in America are smack in the middle of blue states? Do they think Osama picked the WTC because he thought it was the GOP headquarters? Michael Mooreon seems to think so, and probably a lot of other libtards. They continue to promote the appeasement of people who will not be appeased, and surrender to people who do not want peace, but dominance. They honestly do believe that they are in greater danger from the hated non-liberals, (i.e. all sane, normal, patriotic Americans), than from al Qaeda, and therefore have chosen to stand with the enemy again, just like they did in WW2 when they supported Hitler and Stalin, and Vietnam when they supported Uncle Ho.
Liberals have consistantly made the wrong choice in matters of foreign policy time after time, starting with Woodrow Wilson and going right up to John Murtha, and should not be allowed to influence either foreign or domestic policy ever again. They're just too stupid.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 22, 2005 10:29 AM (0yYS2)
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Ah guys! I love lil' ernie! In fact, he and his kind are one of the reasons we have been so successful (conservatives) these past 20+ years.
Not all Americans share our conservative beliefs - but many are close and perrenial fence-sitters. It's the lil' ernies that provide that lil' push in our direction went it counts.
Here in NYC I know so many self-discribed "moderates" (whatever that is). They can't make up their minds and wobble back and forth.
But when a lil' ernie type pops up around them ... they all quietly move away from him with that bewildered disgusted look on their faces.
YOU GO LIL' eRNIE!!! YOU GO BOY!!!
Now actus is different - he knows its a competition! and not an exercise in looking at yourself in a house of mirrors and smiling back and striking a pose for "your supporters".
You go ernie! Since your not playing Marine anymore you could try Eagle Scout - but first do a lil' research this time - the only thing worse than a lousy lil' leftist is a lousy lil' leftist actor. Courage boy, courage.
Posted by: hondo at November 22, 2005 10:36 AM (Jvmry)
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Break it to Filty easy Arrested Developmetn cancelled Scott Baios days on TV numbered.
Posted by: Howie at November 22, 2005 06:25 PM (D3+20)
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>>>"If we stop trying to figure out the other side, we've given up. The person on the other side is not evil -- they just have a different perspective."
I just KNOW he wasn't talking about Republicans. The Leftards will try to "understand" jihadis, pedophiles and criminals of every variety. But Republicans? Not a chance.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 23, 2005 05:33 PM (8e/V4)
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"Canada is going butts up to muslims and other minorites."
"White people need to be fed."
Rooster always seems to act like he's a helpless little victime that isn't being treated right in his own country, and he gets so mad when he sees "other minorites" advance or for heaven's sake get a damn job somewhere. Retarded, selfish, asshole.
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November 18, 2005
GOP to Wobbly Dems: Bring it on!

The House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on surrender-monkey Rep. John Murtha (D-France) call for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
Way to grow a set of cajones, House Republicans!
Of course, we wouldn't want to question Murtha's patriotism. Because as we all know, former members of the U.S. military cannot, by definition, be unpatriotic.
Except for Benedict Arnold.
Okay, one former miltitary man was a traitor.
How about Zebulon Pike ?
Er, okay, two.
Fine, but in addition to Murtha being a former Marine, the man is a sitting U.S. Congressman! A top official in the U.S. government!
Aaron Burr, any one?
Long, long time ago....
Alger Hiss, Roosevelt Administration
Enough!! So, there are a whole lot of cases where traitors happen to either be in high government positions or happen to have also served in the military. What does that prove?
Nothing, only that treason and military/government service are not mutually exclusive of each other.
So are you saying Murtah is a traitor? Doesn't he just want what is best for his country? By definition those trying to do what is best for their country can't be traitors, can they?
No, but he is a whiny bitch, isn't he?
Indeed.
Via Drudge, this news:
House Republicans, sensing an opportunity for political advantage, maneuvered for a quick vote and swift rejection Friday of a Democratic lawmaker's call for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq.
"We want to make sure that we support our troops that are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. "We will not retreat."
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi had no immediate reaction to the planned vote.
The GOP leadership decided to act little more than 24 hours after Rep. Jack Murtha, a hawkish Democrat with close ties to the military, said the time had come to pull out the troops. By forcing the issue to a vote, Republicans placed many Democrats in a politically unappealing position - whether to side with Murtha and expose themselves to attacks from the White House and congressional Republicans, or whether to oppose him and risk angering the voters that polls show want an end to the conflict.
UPDATE: See-Dub suggests that you might want to call your Congressman about this one. Good point.
Call away, minions, call away!
More at OSM.
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Hos and pimps wearing stars and stripes: Brian "Former WWF Superstar" Maloney, Llama "Butchers, not Bitches", Ace "Not a Slave to Wonkette" of Spades, Jeff "Cut" Goldstein, Colossus (no, that isn't my screen name) Blog, Euporic "did you say jarkolicious?" Reality
Video voyeurism of upcoming smackdown: Political Teen
Self-pimpified patriots: Jason Smith, Super Fun Power Hour, Don Surber
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Yes, all of us in the US need to know who the traitors are. I wish the Senate would take the same vote.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 03:41 PM (rUyw4)
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I just got off the phone with my lefty congresscritter. the staffer was like "So your for the Murtha resolution?"
"NO! I'm for winning the war!"
Rusty, might I recommend you amend your post to get people calling their congressmen about this?
Posted by: See-Dubya at November 18, 2005 04:01 PM (pFjwZ)
Posted by: Brad at November 18, 2005 04:08 PM (3OPZt)
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As I love to repeat whenever the opportunity arises; when these bastards have screwed up so completely that all order collapses and there's war in the streets, we can at least have the pleasure of burning them alive over a slow fire.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 18, 2005 04:19 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: a4g at November 18, 2005 05:33 PM (stXRr)
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You forgot to mention Kerry. One of the biggest traitors of all time.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 07:38 PM (ZaAd/)
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I'm so glad you're back to straighten all this shit out, Rusty.
Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at November 18, 2005 07:55 PM (WIAoX)
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Agent Smith,
F..k off! Before we deprogram you.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 10:52 PM (rUyw4)
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I'm sorry but didn't they vote on the HUNTER Resolution?
The resolution that they voted on that called for a withdrawal of troops was introduced by a Republican from freakin' California.
Forget Murtha. Should a Republican be calling for our troops to come home? Who is Hunter and why is he asking for immediate withdrawal?
Posted by: DBJ at November 19, 2005 12:39 AM (pIsh+)
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Why is it that a few former military men who speak out against the war are supposed to be taken seriously just because they are veterans, but all the veterans who speak out in favor of the war are ignored?
Posted by: Gullyborg at November 19, 2005 03:25 AM (Sq5LX)
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Agent Smith and greg: Run along and play now. The grown-ups are talking.
Posted by: Oyster's Doppelganger at November 19, 2005 06:21 AM (YudAC)
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Ghost is funny! Imagine if he could commit all his creative energies and talents to something useful and practical like - cleaning his room.
Posted by: hondo at November 19, 2005 08:52 AM (Jvmry)
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Agent Smith and Greg,
I gave you my address two different times. Why don't you and the dumn ass come over to my house in Abilene and play? You won't cause you know I will beat the crap out of you. Now quit trying to threaten people, you little shit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 19, 2005 09:06 AM (rUyw4)
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Greg, I'm flattered that you Googled™ me! I feel so famous now, in a rather obscure, mediocre sort of way... dirty, almost. Anyway, you were pretty much spot on with the details, (you must have neglected your porn surfing for hours, kudos for obsessing about me!), but the analysis was flawed because you projected too much. You seem to have a problem with objectivity, which is the heart of a good analysis. He who cannot see past himself is blind.
For example, my mother's death has nothing to do with my state of mind. You see, I'm a Taoist at heart, (yes, the Tao is completely compatible with being an atheist), and I accept with complete tranquility things that cannot be changed. I may not like them, but I accept them, and so remain sane. I'm pretty damned stoic when it comes down to it, and only tend to get excited about things that can be changed, and when the need for change meets opportunity, all that is necessary is the ability and willingness to act. The
Hagakure and
Five Rings are invaluable guides.
By the way, I'm also a student of Sun Tzu, by which you may infer that I will in no way ever be the first to act, but rather will watch the enemy and prepare myself and allow them to make the first move. Once the enemy is committed to action, only then will I act, but I will act decisively and without reservation. I frequent muslim groceries and restaurants so that I may learn what they're thinking as much as possible, and I go to a pub where liberals hang out and chat them up so that I can keep a sense of what's going on in the local tinfoil-hat community. I may be a devious bastard, but I will not be caught unawares. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go do my Saturday morning bunker inspection and register the mortars. Ta-ta!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 19, 2005 09:09 AM (0yYS2)
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Black market commodities? Like Colt 45 and Menthol Kools?
Oh snap! Yeah, I went there. I'm gettin' some backlash on that one, I can tell ya now. Oh well, let the flogging begin.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 19, 2005 10:53 AM (0yYS2)
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By the way, I hope Murtha feels stupid for confusing his Viagra with his senility medication and letting it get the better of his judgment.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 19, 2005 10:58 AM (0yYS2)
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Would a Taoist cause ripples in the pool ? Would a Taoist call others silly names like a frightened child ? (I still feel shamed by being called a "bed wetter" by you)More time is perhaps needed contemplating the navel. Or shakabuku from JLJ
Posted by: john Ryan at November 19, 2005 11:09 AM (ads7K)
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You know john, if you keep sitting around babbling like that, you're gonna get sent to the old folks home for being senile.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 19, 2005 11:13 AM (0yYS2)
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And I must of missed something about Pike. Why do you consider him a traitor ?
Posted by: john Ryan at November 19, 2005 11:16 AM (ads7K)
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Whilst I will not presume to read Rusty's mind, it's probably because of Pike's association with the undoubted traitor James Wilkerson.
Posted by: John "Akatsukami" Braue at November 19, 2005 01:59 PM (OzUMH)
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Well John if you wish to deem Pike a traitor solely because of his association with Wilkerson or his associations with others, thanks for sharing that with us. IM all was said in the best of spirit. I always find your repeated references to my penis (bed wetter...viagra) somewhat amusing. As I mentioned before these type of insults often do show more about one than many might choose to know.
Posted by: john Ryan at November 19, 2005 07:40 PM (ads7K)
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John Ryan,
IM has you figured for an old Protestant main liner, possibly Presbyterian or Episcopal, who was conservative in a pukey way when he was young, but has "matured" in his own mind to be nothing more than a lukewarm liberal. Claims to be moderate, but that term no longer exists in a real way, because you are about to be forced to make a choice. Moderate usually means lukewarm liberal.
I think he might be right.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 19, 2005 08:15 PM (rUyw4)
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Greg,
Leave Greyrooster alone. You're going over the top with this shit and you know it. There's an implicit threat in publishing people's information on the internet.
You claim to want to blog and post anonomously. You need to respect other people's privacy.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 19, 2005 10:22 PM (rUyw4)
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Rusty,
Greg needs to be banned. He's posting other people's private information out here for everyone to see. No one should have personal info published on the Jawa unless they do it themselves. What Greg is doing is unethical and needs to be stopped.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 19, 2005 10:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Quothe JJ: "Moderate usually means lukewarm liberal."
"Be thou hot or cold, for if thou art lukewarm, I will spew thee out of my mouth."
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 20, 2005 08:32 AM (0yYS2)
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Now that greg is officially stalking, just pass his ISP info to the FBI and let them have at him, because cyberstalking is a Federal crime.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 20, 2005 11:38 AM (0yYS2)
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you retards, what losers...always claiming everyone who isnt as blind and stupid asa you are traitors. well guess what
according to you66% of the USA are traitors. you idiots are in the minirty now fuckheads so get used to being made fun of as the ridiculous little bitches you paste eating republican moral vbalue nerds are.
we hate you, everyone hate you, you have good reason to have internalized your fascist horseshit, you little dick men that you are.
ernie
Posted by: ernie at November 20, 2005 02:11 PM (ocmaF)
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ernie
Guess what. You ain't no marine, that makes you a liar. So begone, troll, and go back to the swamp at DU. You'll feel better among your own kind, and ya'll can mourn the terrorist scum killed today. Have a nice day, shithead.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 20, 2005 05:18 PM (rUyw4)
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Agent Smith: You got some of it correct. Some of it wrong. I worked for a respectful engineering firm and later became co owner of same. We worked in the design, inspection of, and management of engineering projects. Mostly, but not entirely in the mechanical side of building. Elevators were a small part of it. Some of my projects were the San Francisco and San Jose Airports. I served in Marine Corps during the Vietnam war. 2nd Batt. 26th Marines. What have you ever done for your country?
So for the record. What are your achievements? That is besides being an asshole.
I'm not ashamed of who I am. Apparently you are. Or are you a coward? Both of us allready know that answer. Don't we.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2005 07:58 PM (ZaAd/)
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Proud to attack leftards and muslims.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 21, 2005 07:35 AM (ZaAd/)
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Please note the prick above calling himself agent smith doesn't reply with anything he has done for America. Of course we all know who the little traitor is don't we. This cowardly commie is without pride. Voted off this blog and the pityful lonely little prick continues to post where he is not wanted. That in itself shows his character. Or lack of it.
So Greg the traitor go back to the 8 year old boys that you claim to love to suck their cocks. The world doesn't need or want you. Fact is you should be executed for your crimes against this nation and deviant subhuman desires.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 21, 2005 07:46 AM (ZaAd/)
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Hey ernie, isn't it about time for you to move out of your mom's basement and find a job other than delivering pizza?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 21, 2005 03:22 PM (0yYS2)
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Mr. Anderson, You disappoint me.
Posted by: Agent Smith at November 22, 2005 06:26 AM (iLDC1)
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College Professor Advocates Soldiers Kill Their Officers
If taking the position that soldiers in Iraq ought to kill their superior officers isn't treasonous speech, then I guess nothing is.
Real freedom will come when soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors and fight for just causes and for people's needs..."
HT: Ace
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Posted by: asan akbar at November 18, 2005 08:48 AM (/3n/k)
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The most vile kind of evil persons ever and to think scumbags like him are allowed to teach at many of our major collages and universities
Posted by: sandpiper at November 18, 2005 09:11 AM (zj1n9)
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Well, if it's okay for him to incite to violence and advocate treason, then it's okay for me to simply incite to violence. I hope one of his students tosses a molotov cocktail into his office.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 18, 2005 09:18 AM (0yYS2)
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Dont you DARE question his patriotism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 18, 2005 10:09 AM (8e/V4)
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I think we will have academic freedom when students eliminate professors like Daly!
Posted by: Andy Driggers at November 18, 2005 10:10 AM (tMU4W)
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That's the spirit you need. Death to all who try to command. Power over person back to the person and none other. Every man for himself and for what ever side he likes better.
Well, hell no, your army needs hundreds of thousands of lemmings until you're allowed to just nuke everything.
Join the Army => GoArmy.com
Posted by: A Finn at November 18, 2005 10:43 AM (lGolT)
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A Finn: We
are allowed to "just nuke everything". We're just so nice that we choose not to do so. So far.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 18, 2005 11:43 AM (RHG+K)
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Just another unemployable English Lit major (MA) waltzing along in a backwater Community college (probably an Adjunct non-tenured slot) to afraid for his own safety to teach in the Seattle public schools (or fled) and can't find a suburban slot.
A dork who looks in the mirror and sees Che... is still a dork.
Posted by: hondo at November 18, 2005 01:12 PM (Jvmry)
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Oh. Community college. I'm sure somoene will compare this to academic elitists.
Posted by: actus at November 18, 2005 01:15 PM (Zi15r)
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I wish one of his students would kick his ass, because a good ass-kicking is what this guy deserves. He advocates violence, so he should not be surprised when it comes to call on him. Turn about is fair play.
Asan, go wash your hair.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 01:29 PM (rUyw4)
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He needs his fucking skull crushed, along with all other liberals. Liberals come in three basic categories; coward, idiot, and traitor, and one special category; "good", which is synonymous with "dead". The first three categories allow overlap and are not mutually exclusive at all, but the fourth one trumps the rest. I am firmly dedicated to converting liberals into good liberals.
By the way, yesterday I took a boy to the range and he fired his first real guns, including my 91/30 Mosin Nagant, which probably wasted a few Nazis during WW2. He liked it, too, which I find doubly pleasing since that fact infuriates liberals to the point of spontaneously soiling themselves. Along with a lot of good weapons safety instruction, (of course), he got a good dose of Common Sense concerning freedom, politics, and the due and proper respect for and treatment of fellow loyal citizens (especially women and the elderly), and the Constitution, along with due and proper derision and contempt for liberals and other invertebrates such as termites and garden slugs. Anyway, he went to the range a boy, but he's going to make a good Man.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 18, 2005 04:31 PM (0yYS2)
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Bluto, being allowed to do something means you don't get punished for doing it. Therefore you are not allowed to use nukes, since everyone would trade block, invade or nuke you if you did.
Posted by: A Finn at November 18, 2005 05:01 PM (lGolT)
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A Finn: You haven't been paying attention. We have enough nukes to deal with everyone. If it comes to that.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 18, 2005 06:21 PM (RHG+K)
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actus, cram it. Having a hard time coming up with an offense? Just say anything at all, right? You're the kind of kid I would have had no problem sitting behind in school and thumping your ear when the teacher wasn't looking.
Posted by: Oyster's Doppelganger at November 18, 2005 07:30 PM (YudAC)
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actus
In error I mentioned Seattle - should have been one of the NJ urban school systems like Newark.
Everything else was dead on - I checked
Daly's not even a full time Adjunct! What a joke!
Posted by: hondo at November 18, 2005 07:51 PM (Jvmry)
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Asan feels brave this evening. Must have just finished buggering his pot bellied pig. Or was that a family member?
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 07:56 PM (ZaAd/)
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Oh God! It gets better!
He teaches remedial English (reading and writing) (non-credit courses!
Oh what a comedown for someone as pompous and self-righteous as he.
I was gonna say Adjuncts are a dime a dozen (been one myself 7 years) but a State Community backwater and remedial courses no less! 3-5 cents a pop tops. this is funny.
Posted by: hondo at November 18, 2005 08:03 PM (Jvmry)
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Too bad using that much nukes kills you too. Radiation and all that...
Posted by: A Finn at November 19, 2005 05:41 AM (lGolT)
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Nah. Neutron bombs. Wouldn't want to destroy all that nice infrastructure when we expand our empire.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 19, 2005 12:48 PM (RHG+K)
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Neutron radiation... heavily ionising, but threat ends at about 2m from source where the last neutrons split to good old gamma rays. Might be a good way to start the second natures very own nuclear reactor if near a motherload of ultraheavy elements.
Unfortunately all the other peoples nukes go off as a "well, fuck you, you won't see next week either", way before your bombs are even halfway to their targets. So WMDs everywhere also screw you anyway.
=> A punishment
=> You're not allowed to use 'em
Posted by: A Finn at November 19, 2005 04:26 PM (lGolT)
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"He needs his fucking skull crushed, along with all other liberals. "
blah blah blah.
Posted by: actus at November 19, 2005 08:11 PM (Zi15r)
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Is your ear hurting, Actus? LOL!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 19, 2005 08:23 PM (rUyw4)
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Don't rush things rectus, your time will come, and you'll probably get a choice between the hangman or the headsman, depending on whether a patriot or a jihadotard gets to you first.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 21, 2005 03:26 PM (0yYS2)
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November 17, 2005
Iraq Onanism: The Return of Rusty Shackleford
Rusty Shackleford stops blogging for a couple of months and the nation goes all wobbly.
To pull out of Iraq now is to lose the war. We cannot lose this war in Iraq, too much is at stake. Lives are at stake. Our national security is at stake. The long-term survival of liberal democracy is at stake.
To pull out will be to prove the Abu Musab al Zarqawi's and bin Laden's of the world correct: Western democracies do not have what it takes to stick out a hard fight. Their war in Iraq has always been the Afghanistan strategy--a war of attrition. The bin Ladenists will proclaim victory and redouble their efforts.
All this defeatist talk of early withdrawal from Iraq brings to mind the story, out of Genesis, of the sons of Judah. Onan was condemned in the Bible for, excuse the metaphor, pulling out too early as well. The sin, commonly misunderstood by Christians to be masturbation, was actually that Onan was under obligation to raise children to his dead brother. By spilling his seed on the ground, rather than impregnating his brother's widow, Onan did not finish the job he had started. Onan failed to live up to his obligation to his dead brother, so "What [Onan] did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so [the Lord] put him to death."
It appears that the LORD was more than a bit pissed at Onan's premature withdrawal. I am a bit pissed myself at the far more serious prospect of withdrawing from Iraq before we have crushed our enemies and left a legacy to that country that we can be proud of.
We are under obligation to our dead comrades in Iraq. If we do not finish the job, they will have died in vain. There are worse things than dying in war, dying in a lost war is one of them.
I'm back. Driven to blog by all this defeatist bullshit coming out of the Democrats' mouths. Administrations do not wage wars, nations do. So, yes, not supporting the war is the same as not supporting the nation you treasonous twits. We are at war, and the last time I checked the Democrats were a part of we. Until we win this war I will do my part. In the meantime:

Update: Tammy Bruce, good gay, chimes in:
Think about it this way--what if during World War II the Republicans kept arguing that the war was a "quagmire" and that President Roosevelt "lied" about Pearl Harbor, and that the Germans had done nothing to us, as a result he had "misled" us into the war. Then they start asking for a "time table" to get out of Europe. Does that sound normal to you? Or reasonable? Or does it sound like a defeatist, Hate-America first attitude? It certainly would have been manna to the ears of Hitler and Tojo.
Here is the time table for all war: it ends when the enemy is vanquished. The time table for Europe was when the Axis Powers all eventually surrendered, and it will be so as we face and fight the new facist enemy. It's now obscene what the Dems are doing and has moved far past the "loyal opposition" expected of the minority.
It's about time the White House respond to the absurdity of the Dems. Their attacks are not only ridiculous and old, they put this entire nation in increasing danger as our enemies look for more ways to kill our families and destroy civilization. This is not a game, but the Dems are treating it as though it were. Shame on them.
(HT:
John Hawkins)
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It's not just Dems, sad to say.
McCain, Hagel anyone?
Posted by: Vinnie's Ghost at November 17, 2005 06:05 PM (Kr6/f)
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McCain is solid. Didn't you read his O/E today?
Posted by: The Ghost of Macktastick Rusty Wicked at November 17, 2005 06:19 PM (JQjhA)
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Nope, where'd he publish it, the Village Voice?
Mother Jones or Rolling Stone?
Linky, me need linky.
Posted by: Vinnie's Ghost at November 17, 2005 06:36 PM (Kr6/f)
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http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/31358.htm
Posted by: The Ghost of Macktastick Rusty Wicked at November 17, 2005 06:39 PM (JQjhA)
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Well...I take it back then.
But not about Hagel. He's an asshat.
Posted by: Vinnie's Ghost at November 17, 2005 07:02 PM (Kr6/f)
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"the long term survival of liberal democracy is at stake. he he you said "liberal democracy. Also let's try to remember high school civics. We live in a republic, thanks to our Founding Fathers, and not a democracy.As for the analogy with Onan: well ummm perhaps not so applicable. But at least Islamic genital mutilation wasn't mentioned. I guess we all still must hold a grudge what was done to us when still an infant. ouch !!
Posted by: john Ryan at November 17, 2005 07:03 PM (ads7K)
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I don't know about that..
but....
I'm back, biyatches!!
Posted by: The Ghost of Macktastick Rusty Wicked at November 17, 2005 07:33 PM (JQjhA)
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Nice to have you back, with a neat bit of work with the cluebat.
Posted by: West at November 17, 2005 08:25 PM (ZSBU7)
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Glad you're back, Rusty, and with a vitally important message too boot. Well said.
John Ryan, a republic is a type of democracy, just as a square is a type of rectangle.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 17, 2005 08:55 PM (RHG+K)
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I sent the RNC a letter today telling it that I was withholding any further support until the a**wipe congressional Republicans get their act together. (Copy to Dr. Frist) I urge you all to do the same.
Posted by: Tommy Boy at November 17, 2005 08:58 PM (NslNF)
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Tommy Boy, you should post a copy of your letter...
Posted by: J at November 17, 2005 09:35 PM (/P1rH)
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who the hell is "Dr. Rusty Shackleford"?!?
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at November 17, 2005 09:38 PM (ZFnqm)
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Then we need to commit to victoy. Put the men on the ground to defeat the bastards and then put the Iraqi's forces in there. Double the number of troops, end it now. Then position ourselves to blockade Chavez.
Posted by: Kstumpf at November 17, 2005 09:59 PM (hpPv6)
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What the hell is Leopold Stotch?
Is it single malt, or blended?
Posted by: Vinnie's Ghost at November 17, 2005 10:09 PM (Kr6/f)
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Blended. With a teaspoon of bullshit added for flavor.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 05:19 AM (ZaAd/)
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The dems talk a good bulls**t line about being "globally-minded" and "internationalists", yet, their every action shows short-sightedness and a desire for isolationism. Can they not see beyond their wish to withdraw? What would happen should that come to be? How truly dangerous that is?
Now that more and more are condemning al Qaeda and its branches and the Iraqis get closer to becoming self-sufficient their voices are louder than ever. That says a lot to me.
Posted by: Oyster at November 18, 2005 06:26 AM (YudAC)
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oyster
Look for the chorus to cut & run to increase significantly in the next few weeks led my the MSM. Hours ago there was a 2nd (failed) attempt with a truck bomb to target the MSM in Iraq. I have been hearing rumors of AQ change in western targeting with a key on a big strike(s) against the MSM.
AQ believes MSM will squeal like a pig n' flee - and use anti-Bush/anti-war BS to cover their own cowardice.
MSM is hunkered down in mass in Bagdad - they don't travel - they phone in their work and almost exclusively use locals to do the work.
MSM security is very heavy - paid locals and contractor mercs (very expensive - and always off camera). US Mil is on perifery of hunkered sites - MSM wouldn't acknowledge - very poor relationship between two.
AQ sees western MSM as anti-Bush and weaklink terrified of AQ/insurgents and loathe to admit it.
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Posted by: Howie' s Ghost at November 18, 2005 10:21 AM (D3+20)
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Welcome back, Master Rusty Shackleford. We missed ya!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 01:39 PM (rUyw4)
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In regards to the earlier discussion of McCain and Hagel: I'm not exactly a huge McCain fan (it's hard to reconcile with being a Rumsfeld fan), but it's not fair to lump him in with the wretched Hagel. I will always remember McCain's speech to the convention last year very fondly, and I can't think of a thing Hagel has done while in the senate that provokes any such warm feelings. He's a Kerry clone.
Glad to have you back Dr. Shackleford! Not a minute too soon...
Posted by: AcademicElephant at November 19, 2005 04:39 PM (efbn5)
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Awesome satire... ridiculous, but not too over the top. There are actually people who think like this, which makes it work. Great job.
Posted by: A guy at November 25, 2005 09:38 AM (wbWy0)
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Clarke Feared bin Laden-Iraq Connection (Images/Evidence)
So, Richard Clarke believed that not only was there a connection between bin Laden and Iraq prior to 9/11, but also that those ties were so strong that he fretted over bin Laden finding safe-haven under the Saddam Hussein regime should he escape Afganistan? I really didn't believe it when I first saw this from Bryan blogging over at Michelle Malkin's place. Looks like Glenn was surprised, too.
Surely, I said to myself, this report must be exaggerating.
There's probably a good reason no MSM publication has mentioned the fact, right?
So I whipped out my copy of the 9/11 report only to find that Richard Clarke indeed is full of shit when he talks about the President misleading us into war. If Bush misled us into war, then Clarke is equally guilty of that sin (as are a majority of Democrats in Congress).
Here is a captured image from the original report. Click for larger view.

This is the same Richard Clarke who wrote in a book alleging the Bush Administration misled the American people into thinking there was an al Qaeda-Iraq connection that:
"There's absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda, ever."
Ah, the hypocrisy of it all......
And, just so you know, President Bush isn't the only person in White House circles with a spelling problem. Click for larger view.

Richard Clarke, genius or scorned politician trying to shift blame?
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Isn't fleeing to iraq exactly what Zarkowi did? ?
However his name is spelled ....
Posted by: jeff at November 17, 2005 05:55 PM (FnFg4)
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Wasn't Clarke the Clinton terrorism czar? I'll never forget the first mention I ever saw of the proposal to create the position - a note in Men's Health predicted that if the terrorism czar was as successful as the drug czar, we'd soon have Hammas shooting at our asses from inside our toilets.
At least he met somebody's expectations.
Posted by: DonutBoy at November 17, 2005 07:00 PM (q33bN)
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Well, there you go- Richard Clarke knew this but the Senate could never find any proven link from Saddam to al Qaeda.
What ever will we do with these false Senate reports anyway?
When Bush II was elected , all that I heard was how bad he was at everything and how Bush II adminsitration would be better. Now that there is trouble, all I hear is how Bush II cannot be wrong because Clinton believed the same thing.
Shame on everyone for thinking that after 5 years all of the problems are due to the previous administration.
Posted by: Dale at November 17, 2005 08:55 PM (ddNff)
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All the problems are due to decades of neglect and at times even complicity, whether knowingly or not. By saying that anyone is shameful for pointing to any previous administration is to admit openly that they are too ready to dismiss past failings. AQ didn't decide on January 20th, 2001 to become a problem.
Posted by: Oyster at November 18, 2005 08:15 AM (YudAC)
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Actually Clark has some credibility. In
Ghost Wars, Steve Coll offers evidence of the fact that he was one of the very,
very few people of the Bubba-Hitler administration who actually regarded terrorism as a serious threat and tried to do something about it. When he testified before Congress to get money for counterterrorism, they treated him as if he were trying to scam them out of some unaccountable money, because of the "black bag" nature of many of the operations; he told them that he wished he could come back before them in a few years and admit it had all been a waste of money, and that there had been no actual threat, but that he was afraid that was not going to be the case.
He was known to be fairly unpartisan and a bureaucratic survivor above all, but when faced with the choice of laying the blame where it belonged, or at the feet of a hated Republican, he took the low road. But, eventually, everything comes out in the wash, and people like him will have to slither forward and admit, grudgingly and haltinlgy, that in fact, Bush is not directly and solely responsible for everything from the Civil War to 9/11. When one must swallow their own words, I doubt if seditious speech tastes as good going in as it did coming out. I hope they choke on it.
As I've said before; the only good thing about the possibly collapse of society is that we will be free to round up people like this and burn them alive for betraying us.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 18, 2005 09:46 AM (0yYS2)
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My only intent was to point out that blaming a person in a previous administration when taking office and then using them as a shield five years later is ironic.
There is plenty of criticism for anyone who takes action (whether or not they are Republican or Democratic or Independent). It is the person who causes change that is attacked, vilified, and hated.
We all must be brought kicking and screaming into a new future whatever it is.
Posted by: Dale at November 19, 2005 05:57 AM (ddNff)
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Just so you understand that the shame is in those who continually blame it all on this administration. This forces others to bring up past administrations and policies which led up to it. And then they are accused of "passing the buck" when all they're doing is pointing out the fallacies in their argument.
Yes, their are a few who have used it as a "shield". But they are few. There are multitudes more on the other side of the fence.
They're just upset because this administration upset the status quo (an imaginary peace) and forced everyone to lay their cards on the table. This war was inevitable. It was only a matter of time and place.
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Leader of Seattle Mosque Arrested, Muslims *Shocked*

The leader of a Seattle mosque was arrested on Nov. 15th as he got off an airplane by the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force. Number of articles appearing in the US media about this? One.
Have imams being arrested by the Joint Terrorism Task Force become so commonplace that it is no longer 'news', or is the lack of MSM coverage more evidence that the MSM doesn't want you to associate terrorism with Islam? Hmmm, I wonder if a Christian pastor had been arrested by the Joint Terrorism Task Force would the media reaction be any different?
Notice this Seattle Post Intelligencer piece makes sure to qualify Abu Abrahim Sheik Mohamed's name by noting that he is a 'respected leader':
The respected leader of a Rainier Valley mosque was arrested Monday on an immigration charge, surprising those who knew his work in Seattle's Somali community.
Trust me on this one: 'Immigration charges' + 'Joint Terrorism Task Force' = 'I lied on my Visa application about not being a member of al Qaeda'
Federal agents with the Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Abu Abrahim Sheik Mohamed at Sea-Tac Airport as he got off a domestic flight, federal criminal justice sources said....
While he is being held only on the immigration violations, the Joint Terrorism Task Force is continuing its investigation, a source said.
As if lying about being a terrorist on your Visa application is just some
minor infracton.
Mohamed, a native of Somalia, has led prayers as the imam of Abu-Bakr Mosque for the past five years.
Have I mentioned lately where I believe Osama bin Laden to be hiding out? No. Well it aint in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Wrong continent. Try a continent that starts and ends with "A". No, not Antarctica, guess again. And if I were to hazard a guess (and this is an educated guess based on evidence) as to exactly where on that continent Osama bin Laden was hiding out I would begin with the place where bin Laden first attacked the U.S....
"I know the man. I'm shocked to hear that (he was arrested), if he's the one I have in mind," said Hisham Farajallah, president of the Islamic Center of Washington.
Several Somali immigrants expressed surprise Tuesday after hearing of Mohamed's arrest, saying the imam was well regarded in the community for his counsel on a wide range of family issues.
"He is a leader for all the Somali community, not just for the mosque," Hassan Nur said as he arrived at the mosque for midafternoon prayer.
Nur and a man named Ali said that Mohamed would solve "99 percent" of the problems brought to him, helping people with questions related to marriage, parenting, addictions and youths.
I hear the Taliban also could solve 99% of familial problems within minutes.
They said Mohamed even started a summer program at the mosque to keep youths off the street and out of trouble.
Again, as if fascists of all stripes aren't social reformers. They are. You know, solve our ills by forcing us to follow Allah.
"I've never heard of him doing anything wrong," Nur said.
Mohamed is "a wise man in every aspect," said Mohamed Abdi, president of Somali Community Services of Seattle.
I wonder if Abu Abrahim Sheik Mohamed's 'wisdom' and service to his community included advising his friends and neighbors to follow the the Somali Islamic tradition of female genital mutilation?
Mohamed has been the only imam at the mosque, which started six years ago without a prayer leader.
Though open to Muslims of all national origins, the mosque is used mostly by Somalis.
In November 2004, the Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested 14 people at about a dozen Seattle-area locations, including a business one block from the original location of Abu-Bakr Mosque.
Among those arrested in the November 2004 raids was Karim Abdullah Assalaam, who told an FBI informant that "his whole Muslim crew" is involved in an ongoing bank fraud scheme for personal gain and because "you can't go to war broke," court documents say.
In a tape-recorded conversation about guns, Assalaam told the informant, "I just want to die a Shaheed," which he defined as a martyr "who dies in the cause of Allah."
Assalaam is to be sentenced next month after acceding to a federal plea agreement.
In addition to the single mention of Abu Abrahim Sheik Mohamed's arrest in the U.S. press, the Iranians give the story a little ink.
Iranian Quran News Agency's story is actually just a reprint of the SPI article, but it is interesting that the Iranians would give this some space but not, say, CNN.
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I am shocked at this news sir,
shocked I tell you!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 17, 2005 12:34 PM (0yYS2)
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Muslim countries - a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there ... seems like the typical unspoken attitude of muslims living in the West and US. I swear - these people got some serious psychological problems!
Posted by: hondo at November 17, 2005 12:59 PM (Jvmry)
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I can't believe such a structure stands in the middle of Seattle. These people are like rats...they infest everywhere.
Posted by: Jester at November 17, 2005 01:22 PM (BypR5)
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Soon to follow will be the community's fear of a backlash (which never seems to come). Would-be-terrorists in their neighbourhoods they can handle, critisism and hard questions they mostly certainly cannot.
Posted by: Graeme at November 17, 2005 01:23 PM (1t7Hl)
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...next thing my US buddies will be telling me they have mosques in Texas ;-0
Posted by: Jester at November 17, 2005 01:26 PM (BypR5)
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Fox now has this up and Yahoo as well. The rest nada so far. Better late than never.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175864,00.html
Posted by: Howie at November 17, 2005 02:12 PM (D3+20)
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Wrong forking thread howie
Posted by: Howie at November 17, 2005 02:14 PM (D3+20)
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here is a link to the local paper's story on the arrest of the 14 I am mentioning the part about the "blonde suppermodels" in the hope that someone will take the time to read the article. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002095360_raids19m.html Also a link from Syracuse University showing the average sentences given by federal judges in cases involving both domestic and international terrorism http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/terrorism/supp.html The second link is by far the more frightening, but has no "supermodel" content
Posted by: john Ryan at November 17, 2005 03:00 PM (ads7K)
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Just an FYI....
Tyler Texas has a mosque. Granted it is small, but it is a mmosque.
Sad thing is nobody seems to care who killed 300 civilians for what religion.....
According to the Democrats anmd the ACLU:
Muslim equals peaceful innocent. Christian equals hateful racisist homophobe.
SOMEDAY, these things will be righted....until then, load the guns people. I defend America against all enemies foreign and domestic!
Tex
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Sorry, meant to say 3000 civilians....
Posted by: Texas Marksman at November 17, 2005 03:24 PM (dyUaJ)
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That Mosque where Dennis the K is pictured is pretty close to where I work.
I had no idea DK was a speaker of visitor there. I wonder how his vigen, pro abortion, gay rights platform went over at the Northgate Mosque. So what is the attraction between the far left and Islam? IÂ’d have thrown tomatoes at him if he had come to my Parish.
The Mosque in the article is actually in the south end of Seattle in the Rainier Valley (The Hood).
IÂ’m glad the Feds are on this one as the local pols and the local media would treat treason as a problem of society and blame us the locals for our small minds.
Anything anti Bush in Seattle is OK up to and including treason.
ItÂ’s that bad here.
Posted by: Brad at November 17, 2005 10:59 PM (6mUkl)
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Question? Why do we have somali immigrants in Seattle or anywhere else in America. Does Seattle need more traffic jams? What does a muslim african add to this society? What benefit does America get from bringing them here? That is the stupid part of this entire immigrant program. Just what Seattle needs more black muslims. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Need an example? It's called France. And don't tell me we need the labor. We have 30 million Christian Mexicans begging to get in.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 05:25 AM (ZaAd/)
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Actually I believe a riot and car burnings by muslims in Seattle would be a good thing. Wake Seattle up? Naw!
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2005 05:32 AM (ZaAd/)
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Rooster, It’s kind of funny, but that Mosque is surrounded by taxicabs when they gather for their services. Every cab driver in this city is a “Skinny” kind of guy. I drive by and yell “get to work” damn things are parked everywhere around here. Who ever was driving cabs before lost their jobs to these guys.
Muslim riots in Seattle? Remember WTO?
If the 2-5% of the Islamic population rioted in Seattle the libs up here would fold in a week. Once the PI ran a photo of a car burning, Starbucks trashing, illegal immigrant from somewhere sandy getting his head beat in by the Seattle PD, the city would sign surrender papers the next day.
Now, Eastern Washington where my dad and father in law live, thatÂ’s a different story. I can see my father in law picking them off like Davy Crocket at the Alamo defending his riverfront cabin.
Metro Seattle is blue as blue can be. Eastern Washington is Red as red can be. That says it all.
Posted by: Brad at November 18, 2005 08:34 AM (6mUkl)
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Brad,
Missed ya man. Where have you been and what have you been up to? In any event, welcome back. And if you've been here and I missed your comment, well, promise not to sue me.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 02:12 PM (rUyw4)
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Joe, IÂ’ve been pretty busy. My oldest daughter started at Catholic high school this fall and the $850 tuition hit me a little harder than expected. I started working a 2nd job putting in sport courts and sidewalks part time with a couple of friends who are firefighters (man those guys only have to work about 6 days a month). ItÂ’s getting pretty cold and wet now, so we will be putting the concrete biz on the shelf until spring. I checked in here and saw the post and recognized the mosque right away.
I would never sue anyone; my dad is a retired MD and trained me early on to hate lawyers.
Posted by: Brad at November 18, 2005 02:29 PM (3OPZt)
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Your dad taught you well, Brad. Good to have you back.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 18, 2005 11:25 PM (rUyw4)
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This COMMENT section is just full of craps..why are you guys Insulting Somalians when you're topic has nothing to do with immigrants or somalians ?...
you are all RACIST!!! for talking Nagitively about somalians!!!! and that's NOT right..
Posted by: Aliyah at February 10, 2006 08:12 PM (CqPDK)
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This COMMENT section is just full of craps..why are you guys Insulting Somalians when you're topic has nothing to do with immigrants or somalians ?...
you are all RACIST!!! for talking Nagitively about somalians!!!! and that's NOT right..
Posted by: Aliyah at February 10, 2006 08:15 PM (CqPDK)
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i feel sorry for some people who were commenting about why muslims are every where or that they would never bother to live in muslim countryies...
well, to all of you who can't STAND muslims, Muslims are everywhere on the globe, and they are going to increase each day, NOBODY will stop them except the Almighty GOD... and hey i have good news for you al, if are searching for a place where MUSLIMS won't be found, try going to HELL, i guarentee you won't be finding MUSLIMS in hell, that's for SURE...!!1
if disagree let me know
Aliyah206@yahoo.com
Posted by: Aliyah at February 10, 2006 08:32 PM (CqPDK)
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400 years of occupation, 100's millions dead, 100's millions suffering, the rich got richer the poor got deader, more to follow ... the endless cycle. jesus is not our leader, obviously its the devil that you love, youve just got a full ride to hell univeristy, your infinite lesson in eternal damnation. bring your 666 SPF lil piggies.
Posted by: yankgohome at February 13, 2006 11:01 PM (1ruAY)
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I think you all are really freaky ass racist people I am muslim and Guess what also american. The word muslim means submission to god and guess what you all are doing submiting to the devil so why don't you include all the muslims in your next SAYONCE or whatever you all do and guess what we'll all be waiting for you to come and "PICK US OFF". Or at least i'll be waiting why dont you try going to where your fellow christians are and try talking all that jabba jabba I got two words for all you red necks YEAH RIGHT! And for all of you trailer park goers ease up off the Meth and Coor's your all starting to look like some Zombies.
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November 03, 2005
Short Memory, MSNBC?
OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scooter Libby get indicted for perjury because they didn't have any proof that Valerie Plame was "outed?" At least that was the impression that I got. Because if you could actually prove the charges you were investigating, you would have indicted for them instead of some other thing that you just happen to think you might have found.
Yet, with that in mind, MSNBC runs a story today that not only says that Scooter Libby is guilty *before trial* of things that he hasn't been charged with, but goes on to say that people have come forth to testify that it actually was Karl Rove that leaked Valerie Plame's name to the press. They don't just indicate that this might be or that "rumors have it..." They come right out and say Rove is guilty and his security clearance should be removed. And strongly indicate that the Bush presidency can go nowhere until Rove is fired. Proof, you say?
...a person identified as “Official A” held conversations with reporters about Plame’s identity as an undercover CIA operative, information that was classified. News accounts subsequently confirmed that that official was Rove.
News accounts. I wonder if those news accounts (which I haven't seen or heard) are as trustworthy as this one. I also wonder why, if this is the case and they have such rock-solid evidence of a crime, the special prosecuter hasn't handed down an indictment on Rove? After all, he had plenty of opportunity. And he never once indicated in his press conference after Libby's indictment that he was looking for or at anyone else. As a matter of fact, he seemed to believe that Libby was completly guilty of the whole matter.
And with the cries of outrage coming from MSNBC today, one has to wonder what happened to their voice on April 12, 2005 when the Washington Post reports that:
During a hearing on John R. Bolton's nomination to be ambassador to the United Nations, Bolton and members of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee referred to the analyst as "Mr. Smith." They were discussing one of the officials involved in a dispute over what Democrats said was Bolton's inappropriate treatment of an intelligence analyst who disagreed with him.
But the committee chairman, Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), and Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) mentioned a name that had not previously come up in public accounts of the intelligence flap.
"Did Otto Reich share his belief that [the person in question] should be removed from his position? The answer is yes," Kerry said, characterizing one interview. "Did John Bolton share that view?" Kerry asked. Again, he said the answer was yes.
The CIA had repeatedly asked, even in writing, that the identity of this person not be mentioned in these public hearings. That is why everyone else was referring to him as Mr. Smith. But the esteemed Senator from Massachusetts just couldn't seem to help himself as he "outed" this agent. Where was the outcry? Where were the calls for indictment? Wasn't this a crime of terrible proportions? Didn't this, in the words of special prosecuter Fitzgerald "create a terrible danger for all Americans?" And if not, then why is it so much more horrible for Libby? Of course I think we all know the answer to that question.
Update: kimsch of Musing Minds believes that the "sources" quoted above are actually Howard Dean on Hannity & Colmes. Reading through the transcript (posted at the link above), this could certainly be the truth. Some excerpts:
Alan Colmes: WhatÂ’s your reaction to the nomination of Alito?
Howard Dean: Ah, a couple of reactions. First of all I think it shows the PresidentÂ’s weakness. The extreme right of the party seems to be driving the judicial nominations process and I think thatÂ’s unfortunate. Secondly, we still wonder when the PresidentÂ’s going to ask Karl Rove to resign since heÂ’s now been identified by the special prosecutor as the person who leaked the name. So, this all comes, uh, as kind of a, at kind of a difficult time. Uh, I donÂ’t. I think the PresidentÂ’s really using this as a distraction right now to get away from his ethical troubles. (emphasis mine)
One has to wonder where Dean is getting his information. Certainly not from the special prosecuter as he hasn't said anything about Rove. Of course one also has to wonder what that has to do with Alito as well. But no one ever accused the Democrats (especially Dean) of making sense.
Alan Colmes: Is it your belief that the President chose today to make this choice as a distraction from the indictment news?
Howard Dean: Oh sure. But the indictment is not going to go away. The President promised he would fire anyone who leaked. Karl Rove has now been shown to have leaked, even though he wasnÂ’t charged with a crime. This is a big ethical problem for the President. The President gave us his word that he would fire anyone who leaked. So far he hasnÂ’t done that. WeÂ’re waiting to see if the President will keep his word.
Alan Colmes: Well, there have been three different standards. First, McClellan said anybody involved in, then he said if anybody leaked, then if anybody committed a crime. Are you calling for the resignation of Karl Rove?
Howard Dean: Absolutely. Karl Rove has no business having a security clearance having now been established as a leaker by the special prosecutor. As I say, he wasnÂ’t charged with a crime, what he did was, not, certainly unethical. And he ought not to have a security clearance and he ought not to be working and being paid for by the taxpayersÂ’ money. (emphasis mine)
Dean then switches horses in midstream and claims that instead of Rove being the leak, it's now Cheney.
Howard Dean: Well, I'm not so sure about that although if there is such a thing, it'll be in the Vice President's office. And I do think there needs to be more investigation in the Vice President's office. One of the things established by the special prosecutor in the indictment is that Vice President Cheney was the source of Scooter Libbity's, Libby's knowledge about who the CIA agent was.
Alan Colmes: Are you calling for a broader investigation of the Vice President?
Howard Dean: Oh, I think there should be. I suspect strongly that, frankly that the prosecutor's already doing that because he, himself identified the Vice President as a source of some of the information that got leaked.
And just to make sure, I checked the special prosecutor's website again today (again, thanks to Musing Minds). No mention of Rove or Cheney. But we all knew that, didn't we? Heck, a full search of Libby's Indictment press release doesn't even mention Rove or Cheney. Even the indictment itself has no mention of either of them.
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"Fitzmas Day" was supposed to feature Rove's frogmarch into custody, followed shortly by the impeachment of the President and the collapse of his administration. Since that didn't happen, the DNC and their communications operatives at NBC, CBS, ABC, et.al. have become frustrated and desperate. Hence, Harry Reid's hijacking of the Senate, and this piece of "journalism" from MSNBC.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 03, 2005 09:03 AM (RHG+K)
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Another "fake but true" story from the mainstream media. Not a huge surprise.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 03, 2005 09:23 AM (8e/V4)
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well perhaps the "outcry" did not happen because the CIA did not believe that the "outing" of an analyst was a grave breech of national security. Plame was a covert operative for years based overseas. Her outing did not endanger her but it did endanger any of the foreign nationals with whom she had contact. The classification level of employment relationship between an analyst working at Landley is far different than that of a case officer working overseas, even under "diplomatic" cover which of course is not THAT deep/
Posted by: john Ryan at November 03, 2005 09:36 AM (ads7K)
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Which might be an acceptable excuse if the CIA had not sent letters to all the Senators on that comittee asking them NOT to use the agent's name during the Bolton hearings. Not only did Kerry "out" this agent, but completly ignored requests by the CIA not to do that. Seems to me that it should have been some sort of big deal or they wouldn't have made such a request.
Posted by: Drew at November 03, 2005 09:39 AM (Ml8z/)
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Well Bluto, you know the drill. If the facts don't fit the story, run the damn thing anyway, and make up the facts as you go along.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 09:42 AM (0yYS2)
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John Ryan:
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. one could argue that the exposure of the CIA front company that was on her resume, may have endangered a lot of covert operations too, but "saying" doesn't mean it's a fact.
The person that wrote the law they said was breached, said she would not be protected under it due to the fact she did not meet the criteria of the act, which I guess means even if they did 'out' her, it wasn't a crime?
Posted by: dave at November 03, 2005 09:57 AM (CcXvt)
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The conclusion I make from all this is that we have certain agents in the CIA who have taken it upon themselves to try for a regime change in the US without the benefit of an election. Normally, the Democrats would be calling for an investigation, and the fact that they are not is further confirmation of my theory. Conservatives must be ready to act if this coup is attempted.
As I have said many times in the past, the liberals have one set of rules for them, and an entirely different set for everyone else. You know how special they think they are. Hypocrisy at its very worse.
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Drew:
OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scooter Libby get indicted for perjury because they didn't have any proof that Valerie Plame was "outed?" At least that was the impression that I got.
The main reason he wasn't indicted, according to Fitz, is that they didn't have enough evidence to prove intent. The example given was of a pitched "beaning" a batter. There wasn't any question about whether the batter was hit, just about whether the pitcher intended to do so. The argument seems plausible, except that the pitch analogy doesn't quite work. If Libby knew that Plame was a covert-status agent and he shared that information with a reporter wouldn't the revelation have to have been intentional? If, however, the facts he gave fell short of a revelation and he inadvertently gave enough that the reporter could have researched the rest then it might have been inadvertent. The indictment is about what Libby knew, and when he knew it, not what he did with that knowledge. And that suggests that there's a good deal of doubt about exactly what he did to reveal Plame's identity. We are led to believe that he must have done a lot of "hinting" and just went too far. I mean, if Fitz's analogy of the "beaned" batter makes any sense at all.
The CIA had repeatedly asked, even in writing, that the identity of this person not be mentioned in these public hearings. That is why everyone else was referring to him as Mr. Smith. But the esteemed Senator from Massachusetts just couldn't seem to help himself as he "outed" this agent. Where was the outcry?
Indeed. The only salient issue would be whether the agent was covert, and if he was then Kerry ought to be the subject of an investigation and indictment. That fact that he was not even investigated suggests that the agent wasn't covert, but we don't know that for a fact. The CIA might have wanted to keep his identity unknown for purely personnel reasons, having nothing to do with covert operations. Good question though.
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Dean's comment that Cheney told Libby is moot. Cheney and Libby can discuss covert agents by name all day long between themselves. They each have the clearance to have such information and to discuss it. What did Dean think he was proving with that? I think he was just hoping that enough people wouldn't know that Cheney would not be breaking any laws by talking to Libby about a covert agent and thereby make him "appear" complicit to the public. And Colmes played right along.
Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2005 02:08 PM (fl6E1)
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More of the usial from the NBC vulture since they have retired the peacock years ago
Posted by: sandpiper at November 03, 2005 08:07 PM (I9Upt)
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Just keep throwing everything/anything in the desperate hope that something sticks - work it, twist it, hype it ... yeah thats the ticket ...NOT
Voting is like buying a car. You go to two dealerships. First guy shows you what he has and trys to sell you on it (GOP)
Second guy (DEM)spends all his (any yours) time telling you the other guy is cruel to pets, steals candy from babies, wants your aged mother to live in the streets etc. etc. etc.
I came to buy a freakin' car (DEM) asshole! Is that your pitch! Is that the best you can do?
Much ado about nothing is a clear sing of desperation and weakness - see it for what it is and enjoy the show.
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On a mean and petty note - Colmes' face looks like a ventriloquist's puppet. [ O_o Oh, wait a minute ..... ]
Posted by: Oyster at November 04, 2005 08:34 AM (fl6E1)
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Colmes looks like a Muppet made from and old shoe leather.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 04:37 PM (0yYS2)
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November 02, 2005
Sheehan For Carpetbagger
When Newsmax and the Village Voice report nearly identical political stories on the same day it can mean only one thing. Someone's been planting a story. Shenanigans are afoot.
From Newsmax:
Will Cindy Sheehan challenge Hillary Clinton for her Senate seat in 2006?
That's the proposition percolating throughout New York's anti-war left, which has grown increasingly frustrated with Sen. Clinton's refusal to denounce the Bush administration's Iraq policy.
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Village Voice:
Cindy Sheehan, a/k/a the "peace mom," probably never intended to sound like a candidate, but she did. Sheehan, the activist who became the face of anti-war sentiment after camping outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, last summer, had just mounted the podium at the Brooklyn Peace Fair on October 22. And already she was getting political.
Farbeit from me to imply that candidates can't prosper by counting on the stupidity of New York City voters (Upstate New York, a red state within a blue state, doesn't have a large enough population to have a say in electing Senators or Presidents). They certainly can, as seen by the urbanites' election of Hillary the Carpetbagger and the equally ineffectual Chuck Schumer. So, it's possible that Saint Cindy is planning a serious run for NYC Senator.
More likely, Sheehan is simply a stalking horse for Hillary's re-election to the Senate and anticipated run for the White House. There's obviously no way that Hillary is going to run for President successfully as a liberal. That makes Sheehan's antics just so, so convenient politically, as a way to allow Clinton to pretend to be a moderate Democrat in 2008. The real question here is, what did Hill promise Sheehan and her followers? Support for a cut-and-run policy? A place in the cabinet?
That's not to say that there's anything illegal with clandestine collusion between Clinton and Sheehan. Just an indication that the wife shares the husband's character.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto, but ask yourself one question before you click on this link. "Am I cool enough to visit Bluto's crib?"
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Sheehan is to Hillary as mutton is to a wolf.
Interesting theory about Hillary leveraging CShee for moderate political footing, but I don't buy it. That Hillary Bitch is trying to out Neocon the Ziocons. She's an adjunct Senator for Israel. I'd vote for CShee over Hilllary in a minute.
Bluto,
This post is an attempt to entice those who are unsure of their coolness, into a discussion.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 02, 2005 07:37 PM (TVaWo)
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greg is right. This is an obvious ploy by the Village Voice types in the Democrat party to make Hilary look moderate and electable. Who cares, it's not real.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 02, 2005 07:46 PM (8e/V4)
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That's what I get for skimming. You're wrong greg. It's a ploy. I wish Hilary were a neocon, but she's not. She's just faking it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 02, 2005 07:48 PM (8e/V4)
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CShee is a Bitchee who couldn't win a political race unless she happened to be in an insane asylum. Oh, did you say New York City? She could win.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 02, 2005 07:48 PM (rUyw4)
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I agree she's a fake.
OOoooh! OOoooH! Yeah baby!
(Hillary Faking It)
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 02, 2005 08:03 PM (TVaWo)
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Anyone want to join me for iceskating in hell? Greg is right, in his own X-Files-esque "there's-a-jooo-under-my-bed" paranoid sort of way. That, however, does not negate the fact that whether Cindy is only acting to make Hitlery more palatable, or is high as a kite on her fifteen minutes of fame and thinks she could actually win, neither scenario is good news for the Dhimmicrats. The Barking Moonbat vote is probably about 10% of the Dhimmi's constituency, if not more, and if a strong Republican, or even a less repulsive Democrat with less baggage, were to challenge Hitlery, the fraction that Our Lady of the Ditch would take from her could be a death blow. My only question is: Where do I send the donations to Cindy's campaign?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 02, 2005 08:11 PM (0yYS2)
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The Republicans are unlikely to waste a strong candidate on a New York Senate race, but anyway, Cindy doesn't really have to run, just make noises about it. It's all about perception and soundbites. Hillary can't run for the White House as a liberal. Sheehan's actions help build the moderate myth.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 02, 2005 11:03 PM (RHG+K)
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All true Bluto, but I think the libtards are the only ones stupid enough to think that casting the Ditch Witch opposite Hitlery will do anything but highlight their similarities rather than differences. Giuliani could beat her hands-down, but I think he's deluding himself that he could be President. Perhaps he could be Condi's VP, but he's too nice to be President. We need a firebrand, and Condi is as fiery as they come.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 12:49 AM (0yYS2)
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Maxie!!!!!!!!
Rudy nice? He's one vindictive mean tough SOB with one really abrasive personality!!! And I voted for him 3 times!!! Joke here in NY is even his own friends don't like him! He saved this city but sure as hell not with his pleasant smile.
9/11 I was on site almost immediately working with the water evacuation - headed inland with some PD and deckhands looking to guide stragglers down to the Marina and Battery Park - we actually ran into Rudy & crew - friend said he must be a fuckin' idiot to be down here - well - we were all down there sooooo .....
nice - he ain't - good & tough yes.
Posted by: hondo at November 03, 2005 01:23 AM (ymtSt)
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I don't think there is anything to read into the two stories. NewsMax is a tabloid and the Village Voice couldn't survive anywhere BUT in a Moonbat colony.
Cindy would have to move to NY to run. She couldn't survive ten minutes in NY. She ain't tough enough. What's she gonna do anyway?
Cry for votes? "Vote for me! [sniffle, snork]"
Hillary's losing her base with every mention of the war. To be in cahoots with Cindy on boosting her image as a moderate would only make things worse. She won't gain enough votes on the right to make up for her lost votes on the left. The only votes she'll gain on the right is weak-willed women. And trust me. She probably thought at first that Cindy was "cool", but since Cindy's insulted her .... whoa nellie .... hell hath no wrath like Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2005 06:27 AM (YudAC)
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Hillary's base isn't going to vote for a Republican. Not even if Hillary comes out for invading Iran and Syria and names Adolf Hitler as her running mate. She knows that. They'll squawk and whine, but they'll still back Hillary. I don't see what she has to lose by trying to hide her true colors and run from the center.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 03, 2005 09:10 AM (RHG+K)
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Okay, not her "far-left" base, but if Hillary runs against someone like McCain in '08 she'll lose a number of those democrats just left of center. If she runs against a republican further from center, it'll be a different story.
Betcha.
Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2005 09:44 AM (fl6E1)
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Bluto, I'm afraid you might be right, especially about Hitler, who would definitely help soften her public image.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 09:47 AM (0yYS2)
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actually, if you cut New York City out of new york, Bush would have seriously still lost. Same if you add westchester and long island.
additionally, chuck schumer won every county in NY except for hamilton in 04. ineffectual? he's chair of the DSCC!? You could make the argument that he barely won in 1998, but it was against a republican born also born in NYC and raised on Long Island.
I'm also tired of these arguments about how people in rural areas don't have a say just because there are fewer of them. JUST because there a fewer of them?
If upstate wants to succeed that's great. I'll take the 89% of the tax revenue that the city (49%) long island, rockland, and westchester (40%) send to the state and improve subways and schools.
In a lot of ways, this is symptomatic of much of the rest of the country. Small red-state populations complaining about waste imposed by blue-state liberals who are actually paying the most into the treasury and getting the least back.
Hillary needs to swing towards the center, and frankly, cindy sheehan doesn't matter. didn't matter for bush, will matter less for clinton. she could eat a baby and kick a priest in the balls and she would still trounce pirro by 20+ points.
Posted by: FU at November 03, 2005 04:10 PM (JJYcT)
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Cindy and hillary sister carpet baggers
Posted by: sandpiper at November 03, 2005 08:09 PM (I9Upt)
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FU: Don't throw me in dat briar patch, Br'er Fox. We've been begging you City parasites to let us secede for years. You've bled us dry, first by attracting Welfare recipients from the entire Eastern seaboard and Puerto Rico, now by voting as a bloc to consume the lion's share of not only State income, but Federal funds, as well.
The population of New York State is 19 million. 11 million live in NYC and account for the common interest (something for nothing) voting bloc that elects NYS Senators and decides electoral votes. Just like a typically provincial NYC lib to consider 8 million people a "small rural population".
You also might want to check on just how much the City is getting back, and in what ways. People die up here every winter for want of money to salt and plow state roads. Of course those who die are only useless rural trash in your eyes, but still. Also look into income from the Port Authority, too, which is a drain on State resources, but enriches City coffers.
I was being kind to Shumer. He's worse than ineffectual. He's part of the Dem minority that is hoping for the GWOT to go south. Hillary, too, no matter how many sausages she gobbles at the state fair.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 03, 2005 08:38 PM (RHG+K)
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Remember brer rabbit was born in the briar patch
Posted by: sandpiper at November 04, 2005 09:05 PM (4yJRe)
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The Left Speaks With Forked Tongue.
Ever wonder why the left is always on the negative? Why despite so many successes they scream defeat? Because they think if they just shout the same message long enough and loud enough it will become true. Sadly a good portion of the public does fall prey to this strategy.
Boston Globe registration required : That depends on what you consider ''important." Do you see the war against radical Islam and Ba'athist fascism as the most urgent conflict of our time? Do you believe that replacing tyranny with democratic self-government is ultimately the only antidote to the poison that has made the Middle East so dangerous and violent? If so, you'll have no trouble identifying the most significant development in Iraq last week: the landslide victory of the new Iraqi Constitution.
Also see Rantingprof :
You would think the left would be all happy about a black being elected unless that black man is conservative.
More left twisty stuff from Michelle Malkin.
Malkin : These are words you did not read in the New York Times. They are the words of the late Corporal Jeffrey B. Starr, whose letter to his girlfriend in case of death in Iraq was selectively edited by the Times to convey a bogus sense of "fatalism."
Our Friend Filthy has a great post on the hypocrisy of the left. See this direct link to the post in case you are kind of sensitive. No really itÂ’s good stuff.
Don't get the impression that you arouse my anger. You see, one can only be angry with those he respects(RMN). I've found very little reason to respect much in Washington. But at least the right seems to know what side our side is. If the left thinks the middle of Republican party (that would be me) is going to go with them by default they could not be more wrong. It takes concrete ideas and I could not be more turned off than I am right now.
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http://www.topplebush.com/oped2290.shtml
Posted by: Route Irish at November 02, 2005 06:04 PM (Eh9tH)
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Hi Route Irish. How are you? Ya don't say.... Really? Well, have a nice day. See ya next post.
Posted by: Oyster at November 02, 2005 06:13 PM (YudAC)
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There's a blog called toppleBush.com. I bet it is fair and balanced.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 02, 2005 07:53 PM (rUyw4)
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Route Irish is deaf. That is why he/she never says anything. Lay off, Oyster.
j/k
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 02, 2005 08:08 PM (rUyw4)
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051103/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=AtmfD_zQA7w7Q0mXvOuTlDqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-
Posted by: Route Irish at November 02, 2005 08:12 PM (Eh9tH)
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Heh. It really is funny that this moron keeps excreting links and fleeing, thinking he's struck a mighty blow. You keep fighting the power buddy!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 09:55 AM (0yYS2)
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IM,
I've never even been to a single one of his links. I'm too lazy to type all those numbers and letters in. HaHa!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 03, 2005 10:28 AM (rUyw4)
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JJ, all you have to do is highlight the string and copy it, then paste to your browser. I catalog them in a folder named "stupidity and propaganda", in order to use them as evidence when the mass-hangings begin.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 11:16 AM (0yYS2)
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I'm too lazy to highlight them, too. They do not interest me in the least.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 03, 2005 03:30 PM (rUyw4)
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Like I said, evidence.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 04:42 PM (0yYS2)
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