Well, I was sympathetic to the Miers nomination for no better reason, really, than that it brought back my youth a bit. But to be honest, except for the fact that I was young my youth wasn't especially noteworthy. The decision made here is going to be between one guided by cronyism (or loyalty/friendship, to put it in a softer light) and outright elitism. Harriet was probably a 700 or so on the scale of logic, but not much more than a 500 in verbal ability, so she's tanglefooted. The next nominee will be at least a 700 in both verbal and logic/math, which is a good thing for the country. But at that level bear in mind that he/she won't be very cognizant of the common weal. Said nominee will have been in special classes from the time he (it will be a "he") learned to read, and may not have actually bought a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk in quite awhile. Sobeit; it's the very essence of the Jeffersonian ideal whereby the country is informed and led by a meritocracy composed of exceptional leaders and scholars emerging from the mass of humanity.

It is, a turning point.

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Was Joel Henry Hinrichs III a terrorist? Until the investigation is complete, we cannot know that for a fact. So, how can The Wall Street Journal know that he was not?

Yesterday the WSJ did an incredibly pathetic job of debunking the Joel Henry Hinrichs suicide-bombing story yesterday. Ryan Chittum and Joe Hagan's argument that Hinrichs was not a failed terrorist--whether acting alone or as part of a larger conspiracy--is a pathetic resort to authority. No new facts are cited to dispute reasonable questions that Hinrichs was a terrorist--and they are just that, questions.

They simply cite the University of Oklahoma President David Boren's assurances that it was not terrorism--statements he began to make before the investigation had even begun--the protests of Hinrichs' father that his son was not a Muslim, and a single FBI statement in an ongoing investigation.

When an act of war is committed--which a suicide bombing is--in a time of war--which we are in now--on a field of battle--which the terrorists have made the American homeland--then it seems reasonable to assume that the act was part of the larger war. The act may eventually turn out to be unrelated, but that says nothing of the larger point of whether or not Hinrichs' suicide-bombing should have been a major news story and whether it was reasonable to ask questions about his death?

Since the WSJ, and the later CBS coverage of the debunking, fails to mention The Jawa Report as a chief culprate in spreading unsubstantiated rumors and innuendo, our editorial board feels duty bound to respond to the non-allegation that we have done shoddy reporting.

The original WSJ article is bad enough, but the CBS News coverage of the WSJ article is worse. Here is how they quote the WSJ:

“Adding to community concern was the revelation that two days before he blew himself up, Mr. Hinrichs visited a feed store and inquired about buying ammonium nitrate -- the same chemical Timothy McVeigh put in the bomb he used in 1995 to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, 20 miles to the north.…

To that unsettling set of facts, blogs and local Oklahoma TV stations added several apparent inaccuracies, including: that Mr. Hinrichs was a Muslim and visited the mosque frequently; that he tried to enter the stadium twice but was rebuffed; that he had a one-way airplane ticket to Algeria; that there were nails in the bomb and that Islamic extremist literature was found in his apartment.

None of these claims are true: Mr. Hinrichs's family, university officials and the Federal Bureau of Investigation say Mr. Hinrichs suffered from depression, and the explosion was an isolated event.”

But the original WSJ reports is equally shoddy. They unequivically state that "none of these claims are true." So, which claims are untrue and how do they know that.

1) Claim: "Mr. Hinrichs was a Muslim and visited the mosque frequently."
Source of refutation: Hinrichs' father-- "Joel wasn't a Muslim and wasn't under anyone's sway, Mr. Hinrichs says"

2) Claim: "Hinrichs tried to enter the stadium twice but was rebuffed"
Source of refutation: not cited. However, we reported here that security tapes did not show Hinrichs trying to enter the statium.

3) Claim: "he had a one-way airplane ticket to Algeria"
Source of refutation: not cited. However, notice this from the same article "investigators did find an airplane ticket to Algeria, it wasn't in Mr. Hinrichs's apartment, but rather in one belonging to an international student, Mr. Boren said.

4) Claim: "there were nails in the bomb
Source of refutation: not cited.

So, what we have are a series of unsubstantiated allegation. Are any of these allegations true? I've no idea. But how do we know that "none of these allegations are true" as the WSJ claims? Because David Boren and Hinrichs' father claim they are not true.

As we said in our first report on this story on October 4th that since the Northeast Intelligence Network was the source of some of the information (such as the report that a ticket to Algeria was found in his room) much of this needs to be taken with a fair amount of skepticism. But to claim that what we and other blogs have been asking "is just smoke...It's bilge" as the WSJ quotes Hinrichs' father as saying is beyond the pale.

It is true that some bloggers have jumped to the conclusion that this definitely was part of a larger plot, but for the most part this site and sites like Little Green Footballs, Michelle Malkin, Powerline, Generation Why, Mark Tapscott, and others have simply wondered why this was not getting coverage and how David Boren and others were so sure this was not terrorism when the investigation was incomplete?

If it is irresponsible to ask whether a suicide-bomber might have been a terrorist, then count us guilty. If it is irresponsible to ask why the mainstream media has not given coverage to what is normally considered an act of war in a time of in America's heartland, then count us guilty. If we are to err, let us err on the side of caution--and that side is quite different after 9/11 than before it.

While many of the alleged 'facts' about Hinrichs will certainly be disproven in the coming days, refutations by David Boren are not enough to convince us that there is nothing more to see here.

This and all other posts related to Joel Henry Hinrichs III are archived here.

UPDATE: By Vinnie, Hannity and Colmes will have an Oklahoma congressman on "who is determined to get to the bottom" of this case.

Should be interesting...I'm sure more updates will follow.

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Cindy Sheehan, the left-wing conspiracy nut hailed by the MSM as a simple mother who lost her son in Iraq and just wants the troops to come home, has written a letter confirming her status as a moonbat and accusing the Bush Administration of being an "evil cabal". In the letter, she also admits to being a Left-wing peace activist, and not the 'peace mom' as she is often portrayed in the media which routinely overlooks her anti-semetic and nutty conspiracy statements. It's an old letter, but new to me.

From A Word From Cindy Sheehan:

The media are wrong. The people who have come out to Camp Casey to help coordinate the press and events with me are not putting words in my mouth, they are taking words out of my mouth.

Contrary to what the mainstream media thinks, I did not just fall off a pumpkin truck in Crawford, TX. on that scorchingly hot day two weeks ago. I have been writing, speaking, testifying in front of Congressional committees, lobbying Congress, and doing interviews for over a year now. I have been pretty well known in the progressive, peace community and I had many, many supporters before I left even left California.

What else does Cindy Sheehan say in her letter? She calls the war her son so bravely died:

George Bush's war for imperialism and insatiable greed.

My son died for NOTHING, and George Bush and his evil cabal and their reckless policies killed him

my son died for LIES. George Bush LIED to us and he knew he was LYING...I believe that George lied and he knew he was lying. He didn't use patriotic rhetoric. He lied and made us afraid of ghosts that weren't there. (emphasis Cindy Sheehan's)

She then asks a series of rhetorical questions. Rhetorical because Sheehan and her moonbat friends know why we went to war and Bush lied. It's the Jews, of course. Or, if not the Jews, its about the oil. And if not about the oil about imperialism. And if not about imperialism then, well, you get the picture. There are real reasons for fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, that have nothing to do with democratization, national interests, or fighting terrorists and the states that sponsor them.

What makes this all so ironical is that I found this letter published in a "Jewish magazine".

The Jawa has spoken.

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If you have been watching quietly like I have the leftÂ’s smug attitude and utter glee at recent Republican troubles and have been waiting for the other shoe to drop here you go. It seems this story has all the elements of all the stories the left has been shouting about for weeks now all in one place. So have the Democrats become the new party of honesty and good moral judgement?

Chicago Tribune:

Child-welfare advocates on Saturday said they were concerned and angered by newly disclosed allegations that more than $60,000 in Department of Children and Family Services funds ended up in a bank account controlled by a former high-ranking DCFS administrator with close ties to Gov. Rod BlagojevichÂ… Â… "For Illinois' child-welfare advocates, who have fought so long to ensure that money actually gets to the kids and the people who serve them, this is a sad reminder that DCFS is still vulnerable as an agency to hustlers who apparently think they can act with impunity in fleecing the system," said Ronald Davidson, a University of Illinois at Chicago faculty member and a state DCFS consultant since 1994

ILL Republican Newsletter:

GOVERNOR'S CRONY HAUNTS STATE AGENCY. The Department of Children and Family Services is the latest state agency to fall under federal scrutiny as it was revealed this week that a political crony of Governor Blagojevich's, Bamani Obadele, had shifted agency funds into personally controlled bank accounts. The U.S. Attorney's office subpoenaed DCFS documents this week in connection with the scandal and are investigating questionable relationships Obadele had with vendors. DCFS services suffered under the leader ship of Obadele resulting in numerous internal complaints. The unqualified Obadele was appointed to the post at the agency after helping the Governor win Chicago's south side during the 2002 campaign. Unfortunately, the ones who suffered from the crony appointment were the children who needed these services the most.

Uh, guess not huh.

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The University of Oklahoma student newspaper, The Oklahoma Daily (OD), today calls for the FBI break its silence on Joel Henry Hinrichs III--the OU student who blew himself up outside a football game on Oct. 1. The reason? To dispell the myths propogated by online 'hacks' that are claiming that the Oklahoma bomber, Hinrichs, may have been part of a larger Islamic terror plot.

Underlying today's editiorial is the assumption that Hinrichs was not part of a larger plot and that any evidence to the contrary is simply poor journalism.

The Oklahoma Daily even goes so far as to call those circulating this evidence "liars".

Such accusations come as no surprise to Jawa Report readers. The prevailing wisdom in both academia and in the media is that worries about homegrown Islamic terror cells are overblown. In many corners, especially prevelant in our nations' universities, there is even suspicion that the Bush Administration is really behind domestic terror fears as a way of diverting the publics' attention away from real issues.

It remains to be seen whether of not Joel Henry Hinrichs III was part of a larger Islamic terror plot. Stating unequivocally that he was part of such a plot is, in fact, shoddy journalism.

However, it is equally shoddy journalism to state, unequivocally, that Hinrichs was not part of such a plot. And to state, unequivocally, that there is no evidence that would lead some to this conclusion is the type of head-buried-in-the-sand type of journalism that we've come to expect out of the mainstream-media and in who's image aspiring journalists are molded.

There is, in fact, a great deal of circumstantial evidence to suggest that Hinrichs' death was a failed terror attack. Glaringly missing from today's OD editorial is the fact that Hinrichs was under investigation by local authorities because he had attempted to buy ammonium nitrate, a key ingredient in the truck bomb used to bring down the Murrah building in Oklahoma City by Timothy McVeigh. Hinrichs, of course, blew himself up before the investigation could be completed. A first, we might add, since there is no record of an American killing himself by explosion.

Further, neighbors of Hinrichs claim he was a frequent visitor to a nearby mosque. The leaders of the OU Muslim Student Association, though, deny that Hinrichs was a Muslim. At best, then, we have conflicting reports. But just because the OU student newpaper cannot confirm that Hinrichs attended the mosque in question does not mean that media reports to the contrary are fabrications. They could be fabrications, but, then again, so could the denials.

The problem with this student newspaper, and the mainstream-media in general, is that they cower in fear over reaction to any implication that the Muslim community might have a greater propensity towards terrorism than, say, the Mennonite community. They are, in fact, held hostage from the truth by their unwavering faith that all religious ideologies are equal in driving violence as those on the other end of the spectrum are held hostage from the truth by their unwavering faith that Islam, alone, is responsible for the ills of the world.

They are right in the central premise of the editorial: the FBI ought to release pertinent information. But they make a major assumptive leap, which is quite revealing, that whatever information the FBI has would be exculpatory rather than damning.

Release the information, they say, because we know (without having seen this information) that it will prove there is no Islamic terror cell at the OU campus.

The fact remains that we have no idea what evidence the FBI has. The only bit of revealing information about which way the evidence is leading the FBI is a single statement from first assistant attorney for the Justice Department in Oklahoma City, Bob Troester, who said:

We don't comment on sealed indictments.

Of course, Troester's statement could have been a slip of the tongue. He could have meant sealed search warrant rather than indictment. People make mistakes, slips of tongue happen. But until such time as the Justice Department seeks to clarify the statement, then we ought to assume that they meant what they said.

The fundamental question raised is whether or not we have learned anything from 9/11 or not? Do we continue to treat terrorism, as we did prior to 9/11, as an act of criminality or do we treat terrorism as an act of war?

If a mere criminal act, then the public ought to reserve judgement. Innnocent until proven guilty, it is better to let a hundred guilty men go free than convict one innocent, etc., etc, and all that. The greatest fear among people with this point of view is that innocents are unfairly branded enemies and that publications, like this, might call someone a name they don't desrve.

If an act of war, then the public has a right to expect that affirmative measures will be taken to assure that such acts will not take place in the future. In war, there is no presumption of innocence. In fact, when an act of war (such as a bombing) takes place on a field of battle (as the American homeland now is) in such a way that the only known incidents of the act have been perpetrated by enemy combatents (as suicide-bombings are relatively rare outside the Islamic terror community), then one ought to presume terrorism until otherwise disproven.

We at The Jawa Report take the latter stance. The context of war changes everything. If the OD does not understand that we are at war and that the field of battle is U.S. soil itself, then they have learned nothing from 9/11. Their greatest fear may be that innocents are unfairly branded terrorists, and that is a legitimate concern.

Our greatest fear, though, is that our enemies walk freely among us, using that presumption of innocence to plot our demise and kill us. In either case, the possibility of being wrong is present, but only in the latter will being wrong get people killed.

So, since the good editors at the OD decided to call us hacks (and worse) for suggesting that Hinrichs might just be part of a larger plot, let us practice that age old journalistic practice of tit-for-tat and suggest that it is the OD that is staffed by hacks. But hacks isn't sufficient a word to describe people who's agenda it is to make all seem right at OU, despite the fact that a student just blew himself up outside of a football game. No, hacks is reserved for mundane political types who say what they say in order to get their guy elected. As far as we can tell no one is running for election at OU--unless of course David Boren is thinking of coming out of retirement--so hacks isn't appropriate here. A far stronger term is needed to describe people willing to cover up what looks to be an act of terrorism in America's heartland and call that responsible journalism.

Any guesses on what that word is? Please put your answers in the comments section.

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(Norman, OK) Norman, Oklahoma, police confirmed in a press conference today that JOEL HENRY HINRICHS III was being investigated because he had acted suspiciously while attempting to buy ammonium nitrate fertilizer at an area store. Channel 5 Oklahoma:

At a 2 p.m. news conference, Norman Police Department spokesman J.D. Younger said an off-duty, plainclothes officer overheard a conversation Joel Henry Hinrichs III had with the proprietor of a Norman feed store last Thursday at 4 p.m. The conversation centered on a purchase of ammonium nitrate fertilizer.

"I think it's important to note that it's not a criminal activity to purchase ammonium nitrate fertilizer," Younger said.

However, he noted that the context of Hinrichs' conversation with a manager of Ellison Feed & Seed was suspicious. Younger indicated that the off-duty officer reported that Hinrichs asked about different types of fertilizer and the concentration of ammonium nitrate in each.

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CRITICAL UPDATE 10/07: See Indictment forthcoming in Oklahoma bombing case or scroll to end of post for update.

As more details become public about suicide bomber Joel Henry Hinrichs III, who blew himself up outside of a University of Oklahoma football game last Saturday, more and more evidence suggests that he may actually have been part of a larger plot.

Earlier reports indicated that Hinrichs had Islamic jihad material in his apartment that referenced bomb-making manuals. We downplayed that fact as not really evidence of a wider plot. After all, if you want to blow yourself up why not consult with the experts--Islamic terrorists?

But other facts have come to light which raise suspicions.

For an excellent map outlining the scene of the crime and Hinrichs' proximity to these places, please see this post at Zombietime. Other good roundups of the facts can be found at Gateway Pundit, The Politburo Diktat Michelle Malkin, and many many others.

1) Hinrichs seems to have converted to Islam and attended a nearby Islamic center. (see map at Zombietime) However, the president of the University of Oklahoma Muslim Studeant Association denies that Hinrichs was a Muslim. Other witnesses, though, claim Hinrichs was a frequent visitor to the mosque.

2) It appears that the Islamic center is affiliated with the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), a group with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and which has been investigated for funding terrorism by Congress.

3) The ISNA linked mosque may have been the same one attended by Zacharias MOUSSAOUI. Much more on the Zacharias MOUSSAOUI link at Cao's blog.

4) Hinrichs' roomate, Fazal M. Cheema, was a Pakistani national and neighbors claim the apartment was a center of activity for Middle Easterners. He is described as a 'really nice guy' by his friends. Unfortunately, all terrorists are described this way by their friends. NEIN now reports that Cheema and his associates may have been on the FBI's terror watch list.

5) Hinrichs attempted to buy a large amount of ammonium nitrate, a key ingredient in large explosives such as the first World Trade Center bombings or the Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Building bombing.

6) Hinrichs was later known to the FBI because of his attempted purchase.

7) Evidence at the scene of the bombing suggests that shrapenel was part of the bomb. This is a strong indication that Hinrichs planned to kill more than himself.

Witnesses now report Hinrich may have attempted to enter the OU football game, but that he fled when security attempted to check his backpack

9) Northeast Intelligence Network, who's earlier reports we had dismissed because of that website's long track record of alarmism but who are increasingly looking like they got this one right, claims a source is telling them:

It appears that HINRICHS was part of a larger plan that included members of an Islamic terrorist cell based in and around the Norman and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma area. As a Caucasian, it was much easier for him to obtain the materials needed to create a large bomb, act in concert with members of the local terrorist cell, and strike when relative calm was the word of the day.

A word of caution is necessary here. It is definitely possible that Hinrichs did act alone and was just a sad nut with a death wish. Some of the facts presented above could turn out to be untrue, and even if true could be interpreted in a number of ways. We'll just have to wait and see. But, as of this writing I am inclined to believe that Hinrichs was part of a larger plot.

UPDATE: Where is MSM on this? Point Five has the answer.

UPDATE II: Thank you John at Powerline for the link.

UPDATE III: Michelle Malkin has a newer roundup here. And Classical Values is following the story closely with what I think is the appropriate amount of skepticism.

UPDATE 12:33 P.M: Due to a comment and trackback spam problem unrelated to this specific post, these two features may be temporarily disabled throughout the day. Apologies in advance.

UPDATE 3:30: Police confirm Hinrichs under investigation. Scroll down for update. more...

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1 Hmmm...what I'm wondering is how many potential suicide bombers or people who would turn others into suicide bombers are in the US on student visas. Most universities look the other way and make no serious effort to ascertain whether these people are even enrolled in school. I think many radicals are here in the US using this system, and this should serve as a warning. Is anybody out there listening?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 06, 2005 10:06 AM (rUyw4)

2 Yet another victim of the West aggression towards Muslims. We all know how these suicide bombers come from poor families, live in the poorest parts of town, they are often ignored and the hopeless despair of their life is to much for them, they are often taken into the radical mosques and are taught by extremists to deliver a deadly blow to their foes. This guy fits the classic profile of a poor terrorist bomber that goes back to the "root causes" apart from the fact of cause he lived in America, willingly converted to Islam, went to University, and generally lived a better life than a palestinian but still -- ROOT CAUSES of TERROR people!!!!

Posted by: dave at October 06, 2005 10:19 AM (CcXvt)

3 Sodium nitrate, or ammonium nitrate?

Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 06, 2005 10:39 AM (1j9aH)

4 Rusty, In point number 5, you refer to sodium nitrate, but other reports, including the one in the link provided, indicate that the material sought was ammonium nitrate. Ammonium nitrate, plus fuel oil, was the explosive used in the OKC bombing.

Posted by: lawhawk at October 06, 2005 10:44 AM (eppTH)

5 quite right. This reveals the fact that I took the physics option instead of the chemistry option.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 06, 2005 10:45 AM (JQjhA)

6 Hey Rusty Shackleford, that sounds like Dale Gribbles fake name by the way. Hello also to Michelle Malkin, I'm a big fan. It's incredible that this information is not being spread through the media! Fox News isn't even covering this! - Cabe

Posted by: Cabe at October 06, 2005 10:55 AM (I33+H)

7 Thanks for the shout out Cabe.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 06, 2005 11:08 AM (JQjhA)

8 My personal feeling is that this is much bigger than we will see reported in any mainstream media outlet. There are too many coincidences to this story. The attempt to buy fertilizer, the location of Hinrich's house, the ISNA mosque, and the statium, the beard, his known associates.... Taken individually, none of these are conclusive. Even with only one or two, it's still iffy. When you add them all together, it seems to be rather indicative. Our gvt. still denies that there were any outside connections with the OKC bombing, though. It's not likely we'll ever get any official confirmation, and almost certain we'll get a catagorical denial.

Posted by: NavyspyII at October 06, 2005 11:42 AM (R6yie)

9 good source here locally says tried to get into the football game twice, but wouldn't let security check his bag, and he and a couple of friends had plane tickets to a middle eastern country for the next day. this is wild...

Posted by: wink at October 06, 2005 11:51 AM (LqLgt)

10 thank you keep rolling

Posted by: Meshuga Art Cruncher at October 06, 2005 11:59 AM (FVvgF)

11 However, the president of the University of Oklahoma Muslim Studeant Association denies that Hinrichs was a Muslim. " sounds like standard MO to me - if i recall correctly it was quickly denied that the 911 hijackers were Muslim, or at least 'true Muslims'

Posted by: negentropy at October 06, 2005 12:18 PM (2wJuz)

12 I'd like to respond to dave, who claims poverty and dispair are the root causes of terrorism. Perhaps that is true, but not in this case. This guy Joel was a university student in mechanical engineering, a National Merit Scholar, and a member of the Triangle (engineering-types) fraternity. He came from Colorado Springs, a highly affluent community, the youngest of five children. Although I don't know his family's financial circumstances, his father sounds like a highly educated and lucid individual, though he will, predictably, never accept his son's involvement in terrorism, but instead attributes his son's action to 'depression' and and his inability to fit in socially. So maybe we've got a Lind-type character again, a middle-class, affluent, white kid who needed to 'identify' with some fervent group. Would that he would have just drunk Kool-Aid.

Posted by: Michael at October 06, 2005 12:22 PM (ZPYPz)

13 Another Johnny Walker; but this one did not kill any Americans. Is his dad dumb, or just telling big lies?

Posted by: Jo macDougal at October 06, 2005 12:26 PM (tplWd)

14 Hinrichs WAS NOT KNOWN BY THE FBI because of that purchase. Please read your own links! An off-duty Norman police officer happened to also be at the store and filed a report when he returned to work...which unfortunately happened to be AFTER the bombing,

Posted by: -ed at October 06, 2005 12:31 PM (0oTfj)

15 Ed, I have corrected this to read 'later known'.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 06, 2005 12:52 PM (JQjhA)

16 you really should all know about "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. (if you don't already). This OU event is not the first terrorist attack in Oklahoma, nor the first involving middle eastern muslim wackos

Posted by: San Diego Shawn at October 06, 2005 01:26 PM (RS+V5)

17 good source here locally says tried to get into the football game twice, but wouldn't let security check his bag, and he and a couple of friends had plane tickets to a middle eastern country for the next day. this is wild... Ummm... why would a Suicide Bomber buy a ticket to leave the country? Didn't people think we should have noticed that the 9/11 hijackers only bought one way tickets? Seriously -- just think about what you are saying.

Posted by: Tom in Texas at October 06, 2005 01:38 PM (a4Pyy)

18 I've got Hinrich's name on a google alert, so I thought you'd like to know that Google sent your link to me. KEWL!

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at October 06, 2005 01:53 PM (7auSQ)

19 they say he was planning on dropping it off, then detonating it from outside the stadium and then fleeing the country. think about what you're saying, tex.

Posted by: wink at October 06, 2005 01:57 PM (LqLgt)

20 So was he a suicide bomber? Or a homicidal bomber? Its not suicide if he doesn't die...

Posted by: Tom in Texas at October 06, 2005 02:02 PM (a4Pyy)

21 sources believe it went off early - not intended to be suicide.

Posted by: wink at October 06, 2005 02:21 PM (LqLgt)

22 In other words . . . OOPS! Can you imagine how much trouble this country could be in if these Ragheads ever get their shit together?

Posted by: large at October 06, 2005 03:11 PM (Ny1Tj)

23 I look at that picture and my first thought was, "I always KNEW that Doogie Howser kid would turn bad apples some day!"

Posted by: Brian B at October 06, 2005 03:17 PM (rGfpg)

24 Just wait for the VH-1 reality show based on his life: "When child-actors turn suicide-bomber: hosted by Danny Bonaduce"

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 06, 2005 03:59 PM (JQjhA)

25 Good work on this. If you find any information about shrapnel as part of the explosive, please post it.

Posted by: Scott at October 06, 2005 05:49 PM (qc6yj)

26 Michael you seem unfamiliar with "sarcasm" I was quoting on what we're constantly told in regards to the motivation of suicide bombers which is the core of the philosophy they labelled the "root causes of terrorism" you know the one that in reality reads more like: "AMERICA GREAT SATAN, ISRAEL LITTLE SATAN" "It's all America's fault" This is another example of why there is no "root cause" of the terrorism, and why we should fall back to the fact that the core belief of Islam is the true motivation, no one "hijacked" Islam, it's a highway to radical extremism, in which one shows how great their faith is by inflicting as much death as possible to prove it.

Posted by: dave at October 06, 2005 06:56 PM (CcXvt)

27 You sure he wasnt the bombmaker for the NYC threat?

Posted by: karldotcom at October 06, 2005 07:51 PM (HyJlT)

28 Can someone please explain why the mainstream media would want to whitewash or otherwise ignore this story?

Posted by: True Believer at October 06, 2005 08:01 PM (1xGCy)

29 Is it possible that this is sooo big, that the networks have been called off by the feds, and sooo big that the networks actually complied? naahhhhh.

Posted by: rorschach at October 06, 2005 08:45 PM (xKyLx)

30 I can't seem to get your trackbacks to work. I've linked to your post from http://smalltownveteran.typepad.com/posts/2005/10/if_an_oklahoma_.html

Posted by: Bill Faith at October 06, 2005 09:19 PM (5vspZ)

31 Dale, You're not fooling anyone. Oh, and can I please have my tire iron back?

Posted by: Hank H at October 06, 2005 09:22 PM (/ihes)

32 What exactly is the source mentioning that there was Jihadist literature in the apartment... anything other than WND, whom I cannot recal being correct about anything as of late... Anyone?

Posted by: Ariya at October 07, 2005 12:38 AM (noCGr)

33 I propose that he be called the Sooner Boomer from now on. All villains need a good nickname. (Richard Reid = Shoe Bomber etc)

Posted by: Kevin at October 07, 2005 12:51 AM (j1D6T)

34 Donned my tight black shorts and fitted flag-bedecked tee and took the trusty old BMX for another spin round the park today; fucking swarthy kids all over the racetrack, blocking my path, most of them dirty snot-nosed islamofascist spawn. Waited behind a tree for them to leave, all the while taking notes (I'm a bold, new journalist) which I will pass on to my new buds at homeland security in due course. With any luck the vanguard ... err... Republican Party is going to send those oil ticks back to the rat-infested hell holes they come from. Like Muzziestan or A-rabland. Then I'll have the track to myself. Ride bike fast. Go wheeeee. Love, Charles Johnson

Posted by: charles johnson at October 07, 2005 05:10 AM (O7u4z)

35 There is one more thing here. Remember the witnesses in the Murrah building bombing in OKC who said they saw that third guy? Maybe that plus the Moussaoui link plus this means this cell has ben going longer than we think... and maybe as a pre-emptive strike, coordinated with the NYC plan? We'll have to see, but yeah it is pretty nuts, and the news "blackout" in the conventional press makes me wonder what's up there too.

Posted by: Jersey Dave at October 07, 2005 05:52 AM (MIT6R)

36 Tarantino does Norman?

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 07, 2005 05:53 AM (A5eqb)

37 The comment at 5:10 am was definitely NOT written by Charles Johnson. I have never heard him speak or write like that. Silly.

Posted by: Anne Elk at October 07, 2005 05:55 AM (e+tdw)

38 I concurr, that Charles Johnson post is a spoof. Jersey Dave, I was watching CNN the entire time OCKbomb was happening. There were very specific references to the 3rd bomber, and even some on a 4th. The Lame-stream media and our politicians buried all references to them quickly. I am convinced that there has been a cell operating there for quite some time.

Posted by: NavyspyII at October 07, 2005 06:25 AM (ZM3Qb)

39 Don't you get the feeling that if Doogie Jihad (That's My Name For Him!) was a Republican or a Neo Nazi or even better (in some peoples' minds), a Republican Neo Nazi the MSM would be all over the story? Law And Order would already be filming an episode on location. Thank God for the Blogs. But as others have asked, why won't the MSM cover this story? What is there motivation for ignoring it? Has the US Government quashed the story? And is this the first of what could be many attacks against public venues in the U.S.? If I attend the next Red Sox game, do I have to worry about the Green Monster exploding?

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 07, 2005 07:12 AM (ZbKii)

40 It's nice to see that Charles' stalker has such deep seated homoerotic fantasies and a pathalogical aversion to swarthy folks. What's it like being such a petrified, no-life freak? I mean, really, when a "pony-tailed, skinhead, failed musician" is the focus of your life's work, what kind of loser does that make you? A pretty damned sorry one, I imagine. And did you check the complexion on Hinrichs, dumbass?

Posted by: Pablo at October 07, 2005 08:05 AM (BlG1A)

41 Dave, most palestinian suicide bombers have actaully been middle to upper class, not poor and definetly not living in poorest segment of town. Do some research on the subject, before you post fallacies and inaccurate information. Nice try, though.

Posted by: Levy at October 07, 2005 08:09 AM (M88WL)

42 Any murder at a major University is a news story. A student blowing himself up outside a major stadium on a football Saturday is a very big news story. The almost total blackout of reporting of this story is a huge indictment of the mainstream media in the supression of news. One other item....OU is a school with well over 20 thousand students, but school president David Boren is so knowledgeable of his student body that he immediately was able to describe Hinrichs and his emotional conditions. Wow...imagine how conscientious Boren must be...just name a student on his campus and he knows all about him/her...nothing strange there....

Posted by: towelhunter1 at October 07, 2005 08:35 AM (mBGh+)

43 Michael: The guy was a member of the triangle. Ouch! Pablo: Hispanics, depending on where they come from and considered either, white, black or brown. Never swarthy. So chill. That is unless you are a muslim named Pablo.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 09:48 AM (M7kiy)

44 Levy: Try reading the whole comment before firing off your "correction" rant, I already had to redefine it for another person who read the first three lines and came to an incorrect summation. Perhaps you only bother to read through, what you agree with however, so it's no surprise some of you are like the novelty "nodding dog" people place in the back window of their car.

Posted by: dave at October 07, 2005 09:50 AM (CcXvt)

45 Putting it all together... The new stupid looking beard, his Dad commenting that he collected electronics. (Engineers always design aparatus around their comfort zones) I think it's apparent to me that his Jihadist Palestinian roomate converted him and brought him to the Norman mosque. In order to please the the elders he had made a wireless remote control bomb. He was persuaded to kill for Allah and intended to leave ito the stadium and do his own part to fullfill his divine purpose as a new convert. One could further speculate that he hadn't been at the Mosque long so he lacked the real zeal of a suicide bomber to lay down his life. Thus the plane ticket. Looks to me like the bomb went off premature or was triggered by an accidental (or deliberate) alternative signal. Remember the story of the middle eastern guy who was recruited to drive the tanker truck full of gasoline? They had told him he wasn't going to die, just to park the truck and leave... then as he was getting out of the truck he notices the guy accross the street with the cell phone and the truck explodes. (and somehow despite his burns he lives to tell the story) Maybe something like that was happening here. I think that Jayna Davis also reported on sources that the bomb residue showed it was an oxidiser bomb used (hair bleach and acetone) another trace material found indicates this is the same ingredients used in London bombings. Taken with the failed attempt to first buy Ammonium Nitrate it shows someone was feeding him bomb recipes. The timing is suspicious too, wasn't October supposed to have been threatened by jihadists as the beginning of America's holocaust or something like that? Oh and one more thing, several years ago John Ashcroft was quoted that Alcada was actively recruiting on coolege campuses and the prime targets were white blue eyed American youth? There's just way too many cooincidences here. Oklahoma has a terrorist cell for sure and it's apparent to me that the news coverup is in place to protect on-going investigations. (God I hope that's the reason)

Posted by: Rich Stadler at October 07, 2005 10:35 AM (0eidv)

46 RE: 7) Evidence at the scene of the bombing suggests that shrapenel was part of the bomb. This is a strong indication that Hinrichs planned to kill more than himself. Can you please provide a link or some other supporting evidence to this claim? Maybe a note as to where it came from? 'We' in the blogosphere don't want to be accused of not fact-checking our sources, now do we?

Posted by: kes at October 07, 2005 11:11 AM (rphJg)

47 http://tapscottscopydesk.blogspot.com/2005/10/13-plastic-bottles-found-in-hinrichs.html that was linked too in Zombietime which was referenced in the post Kes.

Posted by: dave at October 07, 2005 11:55 AM (CcXvt)

48 The question of motivation is all that remains for me. I've thought Hinrichs intended harm to others when the info about the ammonium nitrate was concerned. Now I'm certain, since local reports have confirmed Hinrichs actually bought a ticket to enter the football game. In light of Hinrich's father's remark that his son was "not a football fan" (said in context of contesting that his son intended to enter the game, and that his proximity to the game crowd was coincidental), the ticket purchase clearly indicates he intended to enter the stadium. He attempted to enter at least two gates, turned back both times because he would not submit to pack search. My personal feeling is he may or may not have had any particular interest in Islam per se, but may have been very gratified to find persons not only tolerating his creepy interest in blowing things up, but willing to give him companionship and attention BECAUSE of his unusual interests in the asplosion arts. So perhaps he did not act alone but took encouragement from his associates. He fell in with his gang, mostly to have a gang to fall in with. Or not. He may or may not have been intending to end his own life. However, his depression and dissatisfaction with the world were real enough, and like many young men before him, he simply decided he wanted a spectacular revenge as well as an end to his own pain.

Posted by: SarahW at October 07, 2005 12:37 PM (jqVs9)

49 A new rumor is circulating that Hinrichs III, the Sooner Bomber, was part of a clever new Islamic tactic to breach security check points by using the appearance of historical national figures. The plan is for new natural citizen recruits to easily be used as bomb carrying dupes into major transit systems and sporting events. It has leaked from the ongoing investigation and cover up that Hinrichs, as an Abraham Lincoln look-alike, would easily be able to enter the football stadium, according to the plan. It has been reported that a newly discovered Islamic sleeper cell of Groucho Marx look-alikes could be linked.

Posted by: Dark Insider at October 07, 2005 03:47 PM (a2JKi)

50 SarahW: Good thoughts. A new prospective.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 11:32 PM (M7kiy)

51 Why are these muslim types so ugly? I mean dog ugly. Not as bad as soon to get his ass kicked but still ugly as sin.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 08, 2005 12:19 AM (M7kiy)

52 cERTAINLy seems like a suicide bomber to me, and he would have done it during the game, killing others, if he had had the chance... One question remains... why did he do it just on himself when not allowed into the game...?? Of course, irrational people do irrational things. Maybe all suicide bombers need to believe they are doing it for a good cause, even though their primary motivation is to kill themselves when they are unhappy with their lives..

Posted by: Teddy Jensen at October 08, 2005 11:04 AM (ywZa8)

53 more than 400 muslims in the norman community, 1 mosque, 1 islamic school. how will that figure have increased 4 years down the line? they're here. . . they've been here. . . and there's many more coming, and they're laying the foundation for the khalifia. I passed the islamic society of norman, or the muslim association of norman--whatever it is-- everyday on my way to class and the parking lot is almost always empty. except for teh white non-descript occasional delivery truck blocking the sidewalk. . . monday morning after the bombing occured, the lot was over flowing with cars. were they having some kind of conference discussing how to handle to their reaction? if so, what do they know that we don't? I have seen a number of middle eastern men in norman who seem to be surveying potential demolition sites--e.g. oil rigs, gas stations at busy intersections w/ a bank on each corner; middle-eastern delivery drivers for the coca-cola company who act inexplicably strange when I try to engage them in polite conversation as one tends to do with one's vendors (kind of convenient that an arab should want a job with convenient access to a large semi-truck, huh?) anybody? anybody? can anybody else in this town see the shoe dropping? as a good american, I've reported some of these observations to the proper authorities. . . god hopes they've taken heed. and what is it with the lily-white terrorists meeting up al-quaeda linked middle-easterners in oklahoma? It seems the FBI should be all over this question. this part doesn't apply to Hinrichs, but what is it with the disillusioned veterans of the gulf war, ie tim mcveigh, terry nichols, john muhammed??? peace y'all

Posted by: slanderpanties at October 08, 2005 12:39 PM (jWaQK)

54 seriously fellas. look at yourselves! you piss and moan about crazy conspiracy theorists when it suits you, but now you can't restrain yourselves. get a grip. you can't you see this whole thing is just a plot to take your attention away from the nobel soldiers being slaughtered, the ignoble soldiers torturing people for kicks, natural disaster f-ups. guess they gotta rally support for the defense budget and the fledgeling war effort somehow.

Posted by: mustafaAK at October 08, 2005 01:34 PM (jWaQK)

55 mustafaAk, if it really was "a plot to take your attention away" then wouldn't they...y'know...tell us about it. This story has been very low key, but not because of a 'government cover up' I'll bet the school kept it quiet to keep up the reputation as a safe school. You're right up the with 'crazy conspiracy theorists'

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Above photo taken by AP stringer Bilal Hussein embedded with terrorist forces in Iraq. Thanks for the tip from Sir Humphrey who has much, much more.

I've written extensively about Bilal Hussein and the traitors at the Associated Press who employ him. Since I know a number of soldiers from Centcom's Iraq offices read this blog, here's a hint on how to catch some more terrorists: put a bug on Bilal Hussein.

And if he refuses put him in jail and apply some extreme pressure for him to give up his sources in the terrorist organizations he is embedded with.

What is the line between spreading enemy propaganda, having contacts with the enemy, and actually being one of the enemy? In war, no such line exists. This is why, as I have argued extensively in the past, Nazi propagandists such as Joseph Goebbels were as guilty of war crimes as any of the other leaders of the Third Reich.

Propaganda is a weapon in war. Enemies with weapons can be shot. Journalists who do propaganda for the enemy are therefore legitimate targets unless they lay down their weapons.

Earlier posts on Bilal Hussein:
Complete Bilal Hussein Archives

Bilal Hussein dead pool.
Bilal Hussein, still anti-American
Pulitzer Prize given to Terrorists
The Pulitzer and Terrorist Embeds
Editor and Publisher Apologizes for Terrorist Embeds *shock*

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The Jawa Report once got a mention in Editor and Publisher. The same article mentioned a prominent Leftist blog. The Leftist blog was given a clickable link. This website was simply printed, no link. Subtle? Yes, but bias nonetheless.

Now E&P (notice, I linked the post I'm referencing? See how that works E&P?) turns a photo of Harriet Miers with President Bush into a partisan attack couched in journalistic terms. The article inevitably leads the reader to ask the question, "What did Miers know about bin Laden and when did she know it?"

Classy.

It's not so much that E&P is a liberal rag, it's that its a liberal rag masquerading as an impartial industry journal.

Confederate Yankee fisks the article further.

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It seems that the recent tirades against Paul Krugman and the New York Times have paid off. NRO reports today that the Times has just implemented a new corrections policy for it's editorial pages. Instead of allowing the columnists to run their own corrections and attempt to hide them either online or by couching them in the middle of their next article, the Times has began a new section separate from the editorials called "For The Record." This section contains all corrections to the factual content of the editorials, including Krugman attempting to claim, once again, that Gore actually won the 2000 election. So far, the corrections look to be good for more laughs than the columns themselves.

Op-Ed columns by Paul Krugman (Sept. 5 and 9), Maureen Dowd (Sept. 10) and Frank Rich (Sept. 1 said Michael Brown, the former FEMA director, was a college friend or college roommate of Joe Allbaugh, his predecessor. They went to different colleges and later became friends.

Personally, I can't imagine running a newspaper in which you had to run that many, and that kind of, corrections. If a columnist can't be bothered to get his facts straight, then he should be removed from his position. Of course I understand that firing Krugman and Dowd would send the liberal community into propaganda withdrawals, but that's just the chance we'd have to take.

I also wonder if this recent spate of misinformation has more to do with the Times attempt to sell their online content than was previously mentioned. I'm beginning to think that the Times was getting tired of being so mercilessly fisked by so many bloggers on a daily basis. Not that I know that for a fact, just simple speculation.

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So a nation's own flag is considered a racist symbol by some? Disgusting, to say the least--and I'm saying this as an American. Further, it's not like this is coming out of Ireland or some other foreign country with a national identity which is intimately tied in with anti-British feelings. Wakefield prison is in West Yorkshire--that's England for the uninitiated!

The Saint George's Cross is the official flag of England. The Union Jack, so familiar to us all, is actually the flag of the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, and Wales. The Saint George's Cross remains the symbol of English national identity today.

IC Sefton and West Lancs:

Prison officers who wore a St George's Cross tie-pin have been ticked off by the jails watchdog.

The English national flag could be "misinterpreted" as a racist symbol, Chief Inspector of Prisons Anne Owers said in a report on Wakefield prison.

The pins had been bought by officers at the top security jail to support a cancer charity.

A section on race relations in Ms Owers' report said: "We were concerned to see a number of staff wearing a flag of St George tie pin.

"While we were told that these had been bought in support of a cancer charity there was clear scope for misinterpretation, and Prison Service Orders made clear that unauthorised badges and pins should not be worn."

As one of her formal recommendations Ms Owers said: "Staff should not wear unauthorised tie pins."

UPDATE: More from CNN via LGF:

Chris Doyle, director of the Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding, said Tuesday the red cross was an insensitive reminder of the Crusades.

“A lot of Muslims and Arabs view the Crusades as a bloody episode in our history,” he told CNN. “They see those campaigns as Christendom launching a brutal holy war against Islam.

“Muslim or Arab prisoners could take umbrage if staff wore a red cross badge. It’s also got associations with the far-right. Prison officers should be seen to be neutral.”

Doyle added that it was now time for England to find a new flag and a patron saint who is “not associated with our bloody past and one we can all identify with.”

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1 That's the consistent M.O. Find something you don't like and use a benign rule (like "no unauthorized pins") to enforce your opinion. I wonder, had the pin been a happy face, would they enforce the rule?

Posted by: Oyster at October 04, 2005 09:50 AM (fl6E1)

2 Sweden may be the first European country to fall to radical Islam, but Britain will be the second. I doubt there will even be a struggle in Britain, as one appeasement after another will one day give over to capitulation.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 04, 2005 10:21 AM (rUyw4)

3 So messed up! Call the Religious Policeman and see what he thinks of it.

Posted by: babs at October 04, 2005 10:48 AM (fAmiP)

4 England, Scotland, NORTHERN IRELAND, and Wales. ;-)

Posted by: Dean Esmay at October 04, 2005 10:54 AM (Fs6IG)

5 Don't ever call a guy from Wales English. I made that mistake once and was reprimanded for it, not harshly but if you suspect a person is from "England" ask them if they are from the UK instead.

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 04, 2005 10:55 AM (5J2HH)

6 Dean, If I'm not mistaken, the Union Jack was adopted in 1717, before unification with Northern Ireland...

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 04, 2005 11:00 AM (JQjhA)

7 "there was clear scope for misinterpretation" What exactly would that be? I'm English? I'm from England? I love my country, which happens to be England? Or perhaps it's the ever-popular: In case you've forgotten, you're incarcerated in my country, England. I bet the charity is sorry for all the suffering it's caused. But they should still be forced to make a public apology.

Posted by: tee bee at October 04, 2005 11:06 AM (q1JHF)

8 tee bee, Are you serious or did you forget to put the sarcasm tag on?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 04, 2005 11:26 AM (rUyw4)

9 And how do we purchase one of these racist pins (and support the charity?)

Posted by: Fred Fry at October 04, 2005 12:12 PM (JXdhy)

10 An English flag flying over an English jail is racist - to who? Apparently to non-English prisoners (these are common criminals right?). A possible simple solution - transfer said prisoners to jails in their own "homelands". Universally, jailers have little love for common scum - especially their own. Scots to Scotland, Welsh to Wales etc. I guessing but - "racist?" - maybe some of these prisoners are Carribean, African and Arab/Muslim. Fine! - same solution - serve their criminal sentences back home in a nice well regulated clean prison amongst their "brothers". Anyone want to venture a guess what prison conditions are like in those areas - especially for low-life criminal scum. just an idea.

Posted by: hondo at October 04, 2005 01:19 PM (4Gtyc)

11 What now will they declare old glory a rascis symbol and demand it be replaced with the earth in a rainbow flag like the eco-freaks like to tote around? how long will it be before they demand we replace the BALD EAGLE with a dumb pink chicken or replace the STAR SPANGLED BANNER with that stupid THE AGE OF AQUARUIS?

Posted by: sandpiper at October 04, 2005 02:35 PM (PObDu)

12 JJ, it's no fun if you always telegraph the joke. I'm surprised CAIR hasn't raised a fuss about it. Yet.

Posted by: tee bee at October 04, 2005 02:49 PM (q1JHF)

13 First the English give up their pigs, now they are talking about giving up their flag? Someone in England need to grow a pair. This would never happen in Scotland. Maybe they can borrow some from them.

Posted by: Maureen at October 04, 2005 03:44 PM (ny5O/)

14 I'm still trying to figure out what racist statement exactly this pin is supposed to be misinterpreted as.

Posted by: Oyster at October 04, 2005 04:50 PM (fl6E1)

15 Oyster: I'm guessing they reference the "cross of the crusader" I believe they said King Richard had it on his shield during the crusades? Just remember, if a revolution comes in the U.K it will be fought with clubs, seeing as guns are already restricted and long knives soon will be banned! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm The british nanny-state might also ban wooden impliments by that point though, and rocks, you've got to ban big nasty rocks.

Posted by: dave at October 04, 2005 05:04 PM (CcXvt)

16 case in point: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4284522.stm Cooing at new-born babies banned A West Yorkshire hospital has banned visitors from cooing at new-born babies over fears their human rights are being breached and to reduce infection.

Posted by: dave at October 04, 2005 05:32 PM (CcXvt)

17 Holy cow. Cooing at babies - banned? I read the article and it said that "people sometimes touch or talk about the baby"? I'm confused. Maybe they do things differently there, but here, no one touches the babies but their mothers and nurses. (In some instances, other family members may also in the mother's room) If they're not in the mother's room, they're in a walled off nursery, sometimes with a big window for viewing. What are they doing? Putting them out in the hallways?

Posted by: Oyster at October 04, 2005 06:22 PM (YudAC)

18 Oyster: when I was in the U.K Hospitals, the babies were held in rooms with a viewing window similar to the U.S model. However even with the "touching" factor the headline was "over fears their human rights were being breached" before concerns of Germs I actually checked the URL of the story, to make sure someone hadn't made it look like bbc.uk site and posted it. I thought for sure someone was making fun of the British P.C culture till I saw it actually was the BBC

Posted by: dave at October 04, 2005 06:39 PM (CcXvt)

19 I rest my case!

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 04, 2005 08:28 PM (rUyw4)

20 England is lost. Imams will be calling for Friday prayers from the Tower Bridge in 5 years. Don't forget, it was Blair who appointed the new "advisor", a muslim who denies that Jews were systematically murdered in WWI and his wife who fought the prohibition of muslim clothing in the public schools.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at October 04, 2005 11:53 PM (WOQ34)

21 Sounds like the English are going butts up to the muslim hoard they allowed in their country. Shame. I never would have believed it a few years ago. Shit they are making the same mistakes as we.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 05, 2005 06:06 AM (ywZa8)

22 Well its like what the NAACP are trying to co with the confederate flag its no different just your avrage PC crowd of fools looking for the attention of the liberal left-wing news media

Posted by: sandpiper at October 05, 2005 09:19 AM (XnXsx)

23 can i just say complete crap the english flag is racist i mean stupid can some people get its are herritage and now there trying to wipe that im very proud to be english or british what ever its damn stupid

Posted by: dean at October 07, 2005 10:09 PM (OYSfB)

24 Oh yea! Hondo is a genius.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 08, 2005 12:02 AM (M7kiy)

25 I can't believe it, my co-worker just bought a car for $44238. Isn't that crazy!

Posted by: Betsy Markum at November 16, 2005 09:33 PM (HpDlV)

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UPDATE: Updated and related post Islamic Terrorism in Oklahoma Likely

The father of a University of Oklahoma student, Joel Henry Hinrichs III, that blew himself up on Saturday is denying reports that his son's death was somehow politically motivated.

However, both World Net Daily and the Northeast Intelligence Network are reporting that law enforcement agents found jihadi material in Hinrich's apartment. Included in the material were instructions on how to make bombs used in suicide attacks.

World Net Daily:

Doug Hagmann, a seasoned investigator, told WND he was informed by multiple reliable law-enforcement sources familiar with the investigation into the incident that authorities recovered a "significant amount" of "jihad" materials, as well as Hinrichs' computer.

Hagmann also said those same sources indicated police and federal agents "had pulled additional explosives from [Hinrichs'] house," including triacetone triperoxide, or TATP, "homemade explosive [that is] very potent but relatively easily manufactured."

The confiscated jihad documents "referenced bomb-making manuals and that type of thing," Hagmann said, who added Hinrichs' apartment in Norman, Okla., is "located near the Islamic Society [of Norman]."

However, if the WND/NEIN reports are true about jihadi material, but Hinrichs was not motivated by jihad, then think about what this is saying. If you want to blow yourself up, then who better to consult than the local chapter of the Islamic Society of North America? That's a pretty sad statement.

Hat tip to blog-son Eric from Vince Aut Morire who found it at Clarity and Resolve

UPDATE: Super-sikrit note to Bill Quick and Kevin Aylward. Maybe not jihadi, but if you're going to kill yourself why not consult with the experts.....

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