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July 06, 2005

Funnel of Death, in Perspective

By Demosophist

Bloody Angle

The Bloody Angle: Photo by Demosophist, September 2003

The next day, I stood in a tiny rut, a small bend in a shallow, grassy berm, where for sixteen hours men cursed and killed each other at point-blank range, where musket balls flew so furiously that they cut down a foot-thick oak tree. Here, at the Bloody Angle of Spotsylvania, the fighting was hand-to-hand from the break of dawn to almost midnight; uninterrupted horror that to this day remains for me the most appalling single acre in human history. There, on that unassuming, peaceful, empty field Â– it might as well have been the back of a high school -- men had become so agitated that they climbed the muddy, blood-slick trenches, clawed their way to the parapets to shoot at a man a foot or two away, then hurled their bayoneted muskets like a javelin into the crowd before being shot down and replaced by other half-mad, raving automatons.
What trick of time and memory, what charm or spell does history possess, that can turn such fields of unremitting violence and terror into places of religious awe and wonder? Why are some people called to these places, in America and around the world, to stand in wonder Â– not only at the brutality of war, but at the transcendental, ennobling power of them? How does slaughter and death turn into nobility and sacrifice? Why can we recite the names of places like Roanoke, Harrisburg, Phoenixville, Marseille, Kiev, Vanuatu and Johannesburg with no more passion than we muster while reading the ingredients on the back of a cereal box, while names like Antietam, Gettysburg, Valley Forge, Verdun, Stalingrad, Guadalcanal and RorkeÂ’s Drift thunder through time as if the earth itself were being rung like a bell? -- (from Bill Whittle's History)

(Cross-posted by Demosophist to Demosophia and Anticipatory Retaliation)

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1 I have some names for you: Chickamauga. Lookout Mountain. Missionary Ridge. Three monumental battles, each deserving of its own unique place in that awful tale, yet were merely lesser actions in the Battle of Chattanooga. Also unique to Chattanooga is the fact that at either end of Market Street there were recruiting booths; at the North end was the Union's, and at the South end, the Confederates'. Often brothers would leave home seperately in the morning, enlist, and return at night to inform their families, only to find that they wore different uniforms. We have no reference in our times for tragedy on such a scale.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 07, 2005 12:58 AM (0yYS2)

2 One other thing; is it just me, or does it seem that the really important or horrible battles happen at places with names that have a more poetic quality than the average? Stalingrad was no worse really than Kiev, or Moscow, but has a more rhythmic quality to it.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 07, 2005 01:12 AM (0yYS2)

3 I just spent some time at the Yorktown Battlefield and had similar thought.

Posted by: CDR Salamander at July 07, 2005 08:04 AM (PJ4Iq)

4 What I find interesting is that so many battle fields have the same names within them. The Bloody angle, the wheatfield, cemetary hill. One other thing I found very disappointing was when I was stationed in Quanico, Va., I took a trip to go see Chancellorsville. One of the greatest turning points of the war due to Jackson's wounding in eventual death. All I found was a single statue where Jackson was wounded. I was very disappointed.

Posted by: Butch at July 07, 2005 10:38 AM (Gqhi9)

5 That should be "and eventual death". Also one more note, on Myth Busters last night, they proved that the miracle bullet that went thru a Cavalryman's family jewels into a woman bystander's womb and got in a family way, could not happen. The bullet had the power to travel the distanct after going through cloth, skin and bone. But all hitchhikers on the bullet was fried before coming to a stop.

Posted by: Butch at July 07, 2005 10:44 AM (Gqhi9)

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Mr. Durbin replies to Howie

Michelle Malkin is at it again with several good topics including my very own Senator DICK Durbin. Gee typing Dick instead of DICK didnÂ’t last long. Michelle has a good story on how left wing hackers used fraud, theft and hacking to attack Protest Warrior as well. And she has added even more this afternoon. Wow. Also itÂ’s quite a coincidence that just yesterday Mr. Durbin replied to my email.

The full text of Senator DurbinÂ’s reply is below my comments. I should have saved my initial email too.

Stop the Bush Bashing. Your efforts to help are a welcome contribution but the continuous Bush bashing works directly against the soldiers you speak so highly of. The war is going on right now and to continue to harp over the conditions in which it was started is counter productive. To support the troops you must also support the Commander in Chief. Work hard for the troops because the war over hearts and minds on the home front is just as important as the war on the ground. They need to know they have our support. The terrorists/baathists think Â“we the peopleÂ” will give in. You assist them in that task by dragging up the same old talking points that have been going around and hurting home front morale for months now.

Well now that IÂ’ve done my ranting I would like to thank Mr. Durbin for his reply. IÂ’m nothing if not polite and I appreciate the reply even if I donÂ’t agree with most of it. Still no vote for you from me Mr. Durbin. But youÂ’re getting warmer on a couple points. Cooperation instead of confrontation might do it sir. At least he said he would keep my/our concerns in mind.

Click to read Senator Durbin's reply. My question was simply what was his take on Iraq and what should be do about it.
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1 stood aside as if an alley crakhead.... BOOM!

Posted by: TC-LeatherPenguin at July 06, 2005 05:55 PM (kiH79)

2 Allow me to do this Improbulus Maximus style: "I also worked successfully to increase the level of combat pay..." If this is truly the case, then I applaud his efforts. "...-- that its possession of weapons of mass destruction and its close ties to global terrorist groups represented an imminent threat to the United States -Â– were gross exaggerations." I think he's woefully wrong on this point. And I also think he's right that we underestimated the reconstruction effort and the terrorist response. But, we've never had a model to work from. "...but I cannot accept the Administration's failure to establish a clear plan to end the conflict and return our troops home." I think that was pretty clear from the start and was eloquently put in the last speech President Bush made. To paraphrase - "When they stand up [the Iraqis], we'll stand down." "...until the President puts forward a comprehensive plan for success..." Well, judging from his recent outbursts, I'd say I'm glad he hasn't let him in on any plans. "...,I introduced an amendment to the 2005 supplemental spending bill to require the Administration to provide Congress with regular, comprehensive assessments of the progress being made..." May I introduce Senator Durbin to a blog called chrenkoff.blogspot.com? Or is he too busy formulating form letters to those who wonder WTF he's thinking? Howie, I'm with ya. He wouldn't get my vote either.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 08:14 PM (YudAC)

3 Great, but what the hell does ANY of what's in his form letter have to do with equating American military personnel with Nazis/Communists/Khmer Rogue, etc?

Posted by: disgruntledinca at July 06, 2005 08:34 PM (8DwXG)

4 We're still waiting for your apology asshole.

Posted by: Carlos at July 06, 2005 09:31 PM (8e/V4)

5 Dick Durbin is a joke. He voted against Gulf War 1, when the actions of iraq were clearly egregious. The only credit I give the guy is that he was against the war from the outset, unlike Kerry and the rest of the Liberals. Dick Durbin voted AGAINST EVERY military appropriations bill throughout his career, and NOW he is upset about unarmored humvees? CLINTON destroyed the military while our enemies plotted against us. The liberals are the most politically expedient and traitorous people around today. I wonder how Liberals must feel on days like today, when they are crying about treatment at Gitmo instead of worrying about the threat against the civilized world. All the Liberals care about is bashing Bush and making Americans look bad at every turn. It is all a part of the mental disorder that is liberalism.

Posted by: stopthedonkey at July 07, 2005 10:45 AM (aacCD)

6 Oyster, you flatter me. STD, you nailed it. Durbin is just another spineless dhimmi traitor. In my dreams at night I see dhimmis lined up in front of a trench for their systematic complicity in crimes against humanity. No blindfolds. The people they face are the oppressed peoples of the world whose oppressors could always count on the dhimmis for support. Cubans, Nicaraguans, Afghans, Iraqis, Sudanese, Vietnamese, et al. Righteous justice. One day, one day soon I pray.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 07, 2005 02:21 PM (0yYS2)

7 Well the point was that I had emailed the guy and finally after weeks of waiting I got a reply. I said I would post it and I did. You know I spent half the night worried that it may be a spoof. But there was some info in the mail(that I left out) that got me over that hump. Well or else all those email spoofers and terrorists in my inbox are getting pretty close. this was the answer I got so that is the answer I posted.

Posted by: Howie at July 07, 2005 02:22 PM (D3+20)

8 Oh yeah I also dropped a little thank you to Mr. Durbins office. Should I get back a WTF I'll let you all know. I'm sure Rusty would love to track down one who impersonates a senator. I think It'll be OK though. Just a feeling stay tuned...

Posted by: Howie at July 07, 2005 02:27 PM (D3+20)

9 Also noticed my first trackbacks. Wow!!!!! exiting.

Posted by: Howie at July 07, 2005 02:29 PM (D3+20)

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Where's Waldo

In case you're wondering, I'm going out of town to the annual pimp convention. I turn the blog key over to whoever the hell wants it. See y'all on Monday.

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5 Suspected American Traitors Nabbed in Iraq

Update 7/09 (Chad):
Scratch one traitor off of Rusty's list. The lawyer for film-maker Cyrus Kar indicates his client will be released.

If true, send them to the firing squad. Could the American suspected of involvement in a kidnapping be Mohammed Monaf? Mohammed Monaf has been indicted in Romania for alleged involvement in the kidnapping of 3 Romanian journalists. Developing.....WAPO:

The U.S. military is holding five U.S. citizens suspected of insurgent activities in Iraq, a Pentagon spokesman said Wednesday.
They were captured separately and don't appear to have ties to one another, spokesman Bryan Whitman said. He declined to identify them, citing a Pentagon policy that prohibits identification of detainees.
Three of those being detained are Iraqi-Americans; another is an Iranian-American; the fifth is a Jordanian-American, Whitman said. The three Iraqi-Americans were captured in April, May and June, officials said. The Iranian-American was captured May 17, one official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the cases.
One of the Iraqi-Americans allegedly had knowledge of planning for an attack, and another was possibly involved in a kidnapping, Whitman said. The third was "engaged in suspicious activity," he said, declining to be more specific.
Whitman said the Iranian-American was captured with several dozen washing machine timers in his car-- items that can be used as components in bombs.
In Los Angeles, relatives identified him as Cyrus Kar, 44, a U.S. Navy veteran who lives in that city. He was in Iraq to film scenes for a documentary on King Cyrus the Great, founder of Persia, when he was arrested at a checkpoint in Baghdad in mid-May, his family said. They also said he has been cleared of wrongdoing and there is no legal authority for his detention.
They said he called them on May 24 and said he had been detained because of a misunderstanding involving a taxi driver who had been driving Kar and his cameraman around Baghdad. Kar was born in Iran but came to the United States when he was a child, according to reports in the Los Angeles Times and The New York Times.
The Jordanian-American was captured in a raid late last year and is suspected of high-level ties to Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist and leading al-Qaida ally in Iraq. Officials announced his capture in March.
All five are in custody at one of the three U.S.-run prisons in Iraq-- Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca or Camp Cropper, Whitman said, declining to provide their precise location. The International Committee of the Red Cross has had access to all five prisoners, Whitman said.
A panel of three U.S. officers rules on whether each prisoner is properly held; that has already taken place for the Jordanian-American. Whitman did not say whether the three Iraqi-Americans or the Iranian-American have been through this process.

I second Eugene Volokh, this is real treason. And Jay Tea's earlier post could not have been a more timely discussion of the misuse of the term treason.

UPDATE I: More on Cyrus Kar from Mercury News:

An Iranian-born U.S. citizen and Navy veteran was detained in Iraq by American forces after troops said they found a common component for improvised explosive devices in his taxi, according to U.S. defense officials.
His family says Cyrus Kar, 44, was in Iraq to film scenes for a documentary on King Cyrus the Great, founder of Persia, when he was arrested at a checkpoint in mid-May. He had also filmed in Iran, Tajikistan, Turkey and Afghanistan and consulted with scholars, they said.
Kar's family first learned of his troubles May 24, when he called them to say he had been detained because of a misunderstanding involving a taxi driver who had been driving Kar and his cameraman around Baghdad. They last heard from him on June 28.
The Defense Department confirmed to both the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times that Kar, who lives in the Silver Lake area of Los Angeles, was in U.S. military detention outside Baghdad. He has not been charged with a crime and will have a hearing to determine whether he is a security threat, a Pentagon spokesman said.
Kar's relatives, however, told both papers that Los Angeles FBI Agent John D. Wilson told them weeks ago that Kar's story had checked out, that he had passed a government polygraph test and that he had been cleared of any charges.

Unfortunately, lie detectors are almost never used to clear any one of any crime. They are often used on suspects and as ground for further investigation, but rarely are they used to release some one already in custody. Further, Kar is in a war zone, not exactly the type of place the FBI runs around talking to criminals and trying to get a judge to issue an indictment. The FBI is a police force. I find it somewhat hard to believe that the FBI is in Iraq interrogating suspected insurgents.

"He's cleared," one of Kar's aunts, Parvin Modarress, quoted Wilson as saying, according to the New York Times. "They were waiting for a lie-detector machine, but they finally got it. He passed the lie-detector test."
Wilson told the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday that he had met with the women but said he could not speak further. Cathy Viray, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles FBI office, said she could not comment on the matter.
Frustrated, Kar's relatives plan to file a federal lawsuit in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday that challenges Kar's continued detention in Iraq. The American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California and other civil liberties lawyers are representing Kar, Modarress and Kar's cousin, Shahrzad Folger, against President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Army Maj. William H. Brandenburg, overseer of military detention operations in Baghdad.
"Mr. Kar is now imprisoned by the United States military in Iraq without the slightest hint of legal authority," said Mark D. Rosenbaum, the ACLU's Southern California legal director.

Possibly the most assinine thing ever to come out of the mouth of an ACLU spokesmen. Seriously, does the U.S. military now need to get an arrest warrant to prosecute military actions in the eyes of the ACLU?

"His arbitrary military detention is unaccompanied by any charge, any warrant, any writ or any process. So far as either the civilian or the military court system is concerned, Mr. Kar has simply disappeared into detention without a trace."

I don't know if Kar is guilty of treason, but surely the ACLU is not trying to argue that a man captured in a war zone in a foreign country ought to have the legal protection of U.S. courts? Oh, wait, that's exactly what they are saying.Trackbacks are iffy today. Sorry. Try resending later if first attempt fails.

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1 Holy stromboli. What is wrong with some people?

Posted by: Will Franklin at July 06, 2005 11:48 AM (IboAJ)

2 These people aren't anymore American than they are astronauts. They're foreign infiltrators in possession of American passports.

Posted by: Carlos at July 06, 2005 11:52 AM (8e/V4)

3 It they took the oath to become US Citizens, then they are clearly traitors and should be treated as such. If they are using false passports, then they are foreign members of an extranational terrorist organization whose activities are criminal and who are not protected by the Geneva Conventions. In either case, using them for target practice might be a good way to help train some of those badly needed Iraqi border guards.

Posted by: T'am Gu Ja at July 06, 2005 12:21 PM (FCxvJ)

4 Are you questioning the patriotism of these insurgenets?

Posted by: T at July 06, 2005 12:22 PM (Gi7oA)

5 The FBI is a police force. I find it somewhat hard to believe that the FBI is in Iraq interrogating suspected insurgents.

The FBI is a bureaucracy and goes where the money is. If there is the slightest chance that a bigger slice of the federal pie may be found in Iraq, the FBI is there.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at July 06, 2005 12:47 PM (XotFU)

6 There have been lots of American Muslims over there fighting against us since 01. The only one you have heard a lot about is Johnny Walker and that is only because he killed (or assisted in the killing of) John Spaim a former Jarhead CIA operative. Trust me there are hundreds of American Muslims over there fighting us. Like Johnny Walker these guys will get a few years in jail. Johnny's rich folks (dad is #2 or #3 lawyer at PG+E) are complaining that he's being treated like he was at Gitmo(which he is not). It actually got up to 79 in his cell one day this Spring. Torture!

Posted by: Rod Stanton at July 06, 2005 01:04 PM (Z6yVb)

7 The Kar story warrants some investigation, it seems. I hope that the case and similar cases are being handled in a manner that won't embarass us in the future.

Posted by: slickdpdx at July 06, 2005 02:27 PM (MjGRu)

8 Hey, who you callin a jeebus, you bardebadorditz...

Posted by: Dawg in coolerato at July 06, 2005 04:34 PM (3YLKt)

9 Welcome Cain, we haven't had a leftard to use like a bitch for a week or so now. Now where is that E-Z glide...

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 06, 2005 05:10 PM (0yYS2)

10 "...we haven't had a leftard to use like a bitch for a week or so now." You just showed the level of your intelligence by such a prepubescent comment! Not only did you succeed in making yourself look like the bitch, you insulted those who are classified as retarded by being insensitive to their plight! sick sick sick... seek help!

Posted by: Jim at July 06, 2005 05:23 PM (cHCya)

11 IM: Shame on you for being insensitive. How come Jim doesn't care if Cain is insensitive to the soldiers dying over there who think this conflict worthwhile???

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 06, 2005 05:46 PM (3Bge9)

12 Â“cowardly white christian fucksÂ” IM, I know this doesnÂ’t bother you, but as a white Christian, IÂ’m a little offended. It sounds a little insensitive to me. Cain, why donÂ’t you go cut the head off a chicken and stick a pin in your bush doll. And dam it; clean up that star wars shit in your room before your dad gets home!

Posted by: Brad at July 06, 2005 05:54 PM (3OPZt)

Of course, we don't want to lose sight of "due process" and all that. First we try 'em, then we hang 'em. And, since they're such big believers in the Moslem way, hanging them the "American" way just wouldn't be right. I like the Taliban technique in this case: Tie ropes around their necks and lift the ropes with cranes, just far enough that their feet don't quite reach the ground anymore. I mean, they say a dieing man wants ten more minutes, right? Surely those 72 raisins can wait that long.

Posted by: Bill Faith at July 06, 2005 06:34 PM (5vspZ)

14 "His arbitrary military detention is unaccompanied by any charge, any warrant, any writ or any process. So far as either the civilian or the military court system is concerned, Mr. Kar has simply disappeared into detention without a trace." Ah, the good old ACLU wanting to prosecute terrorists like there was a Democrat in office, I guess they haven't learnt anything by having the Justice Department handle terrorism ala Clinton's prosecution of the WTC bombing, and the attack on the Cole.

Posted by: dave at July 06, 2005 06:45 PM (fsJ2z)

15 Is this site for real? I found it via a link from some blog about serial killers, but I look in here and I have to laugh, hard. Thank whatever deity above you people are in the US. You have lost all purpose in life if you honestly believe half the tripe in here. It's no wonder you guys are a joke to the rest of us in the sane world. Military prowess might be on your side, but intelligence certainly isn't. As to your opinions here. Since when must we blindly default our allegiance to a nation that is morally bankrupt and the biggest exporter of terrorism? Hell, I'm a Westerner and I support the freedom fighter in Iraq.

Posted by: Yes at July 06, 2005 07:07 PM (LvSBO)

16 May Allah deliver your head to them, then.

Posted by: dave at July 06, 2005 07:28 PM (fsJ2z)

17 It's okay, they can go over there to die, or there can stay here. Personally, I look forward to killing some goatfuckers when they start acting up here. I would give anything if I could get back in the Army, I'd love to have one of those little shits in my sights.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 06, 2005 07:48 PM (0yYS2)

18 Yes...you are the one who has it wrong. These bastards would love to butcher an infidel like you so don't waste your time sympathising for them. All the US is doing is finishing what the crusaders started 800 years ago...wiping the filth of Islam from the face of the planet before it f**ks us all.

Posted by: Jester at July 06, 2005 07:58 PM (QKZX5)

19 >>>"Hell, I'm a Westerner and I support the freedom fighter in Iraq." That wouldn't stop them from lovingly stroking your skinny little Leftist neck with a dull blade till you squealed like a stuck pig. I can only relish the thought.

Posted by: Carlos at July 06, 2005 09:37 PM (8e/V4)

20 Brad opined: Â“cowardly white christian fucksÂ” "IM, I know this doesnÂ’t bother you, but as a white Christian, IÂ’m a little offended. It sounds a little insensitive to me." The reason it doesn't bother me is because it's the worst the dickless little shit can do. It's like a poodle barking at a bulldog, he is "...full of sound and fury, as a speech made by idiots, signifying nothing...". Don't let is rankle you, one day soon, very soon, they will fuck up monumentally, and the gloves will come off. Then I will collect their ears to hang around my neck on a cord, and their empty skulls to decorate my fenceposts. The vultures and flies will attend the leftovers. It will be a good day. Did I mention that I'm a complete bastard to people I don't like? And I don't like whiny little gutless liberal nancy-boys.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 07, 2005 01:08 AM (0yYS2)

21 Jim snivelled: "You just showed the level of your intelligence by such a prepubescent comment! Not only did you succeed in making yourself look like the bitch, you insulted those who are classified as retarded by being insensitive to their plight! sick sick sick... seek help!" Let's see what the Universal Whiny Liberal Moonbat Translator 2000Â™ makes of that... working, working, got it! "WAH! WAH! WAH! WAAAAAAAAAAH!" Funny, I was sure there'd be something about the Joooooooooos in there, and Black Helicopters and HALLIBURTON!!! I think it needs calibrated. Well, looks like it's time to go grab one of the slimy little shits from the local coffee shop so I can establish a baseline. Damned messy procedure, what with all the excreting they do when you make them watch patriotic videos for three days straight, and then I have to bribe the garbage man to take extra bags and all. Jesus H. Christ liberals are a lot of trouble. Maybe they should all go and get with Zarqawi's "freedom fighters" and save us all the trouble!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 07, 2005 01:22 AM (0yYS2)

22 "Universal Whiny Liberal Moonbat Translator 2000Â™" hahaha! brilliant.

Posted by: Carlos at July 07, 2005 05:49 AM (8e/V4)

23 Hi There, I read some of the comments and just had to clarify a few things: 1) Cyrus Kar is a loyal, American veteran that grew up in the US and learned English as his first language (not that it should matter). 2) He's not Muslim (again, not that it matters). 3) He is being detained bc a washing machine timer was found in the taxi he was riding in. Imagine if everyone got arrested every time there was something illegal in the taxi they were in. 4) The FBI was assisting the military on the investigation. That is why the FBI cleared Kar. The military wouldn't acknowledge that he was even in their custody, so the family never knew if the military cleared him. In fact, the news articles are the first time the Pentagon even admitted they had him in custody. 5) Cyrus Kar sleeps every night under an American flag, when he is not being held indefinitely in Iraq by his own military for no reason. 6) Cyrus Kar is actually a supporter of Bush's foreign policy, the War on Terror, and the war in Iraq (although we'll see if he's changed his opinion after what he's been through). Just thought I would let you all know the truth.

Posted by: SF at July 08, 2005 05:43 PM (s11QX)

24 We wouldn't be having this (American) problem if we quit making these enemies of America Americans. No more muslims in America. Cast them out. Begone ragheads.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 09, 2005 11:11 PM (CBNGy)

25 Who smeared Cain's lipstick? So easy to piss a faggot off these days.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 03:23 PM (CBNGy)

26 Yes: You are a simple minded shit. Nothing more. Go ahead and support those who only act as cowards. Birds of a feather. For me, not being as stupid as you, I recall the 3000 people slaughtered at the World Trade Center was before Iraq. Your cowardly friends attacked us first. They killed women, children and others who had nothing to do with politics or religion. You probably support them because you are as cowardly as them. May the raghead, filthy goat who mated with your whoreing mother stick one in you to. You are shit. Nothing more and you know it.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 03:35 PM (CBNGy)

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The Ted Kennedy Iraq Plan

via Beth

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1 Ted Kennedy sponsor of irish terrorism what aguy

Posted by: Graeme at July 06, 2005 12:00 PM (vvBlt)

2 That is the best plan ever... From a Democrat.

Posted by: Bill Dautrive at July 06, 2005 12:03 PM (G95Uf)

3 This one's been making the rounds. It was linked at Castle Argghhh! a week or so ago. I wonder who "JT" is? (See the lower right corner of the image.)

Posted by: Russ at July 06, 2005 12:23 PM (zShs1)

4 Wednesday, July 06, 2005 TEDDY : MARY JO KOPEHCNE :: TEDDY'S POLICIES : VIETNAM AND IRAQ Teddy abandoned Mary Jo, was one of the leaders advocating our abandonment of Vietnam, and now wants us to abandon Iraq. Teddy is the epitome of bailing out too early, before the job is done. He'd rather save his own big fat partying-ass than risk it for his fellow man - or woman. What I don't get is this: how come Teddy is such a Leftist anti-American dove!? After all, Teddy's oldest brother Joe Jr. was a war hero in WW2 who died on a secret mission. His next oldest brother, JFK, was a war hero in the Pacific in WW2 - skipper of PT BOAT 109, and said in his inaugural, "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. This much we pledgeÂ—and more." (I have NEVER heard a better statement of the "neocon creed" - except maybe by FDR in his FOUR FREEDOMS speech!). Teddy's next oldest brother RFK was a legal aide to anti-communist Senator Joe McCarthy and as USAG fearlessly fought the Mob. And Teddy!? He got kicked out of college, murdered a woman, got divorced, and has advocated either retreat from or appeasement of every tryant in the world. His brothers must be rolling in their graves. Teddy has certainly tarnished the Kenedy name and the Kennedy legacy. What a loser. What a shame.

Posted by: reliapundit at July 06, 2005 01:04 PM (Zd60f)

5 if you morons would have listened to teddy in the first place,we wouldnt be stuck in this quagmire.Not one,I repeat one,thing has turned out the way bush and co. planned it.it is a disaster,and it is getting worse.soon our military will be completely humiliated by the insurgency,all for halliburton and oil.and why cant they catch this so called zarqawi?maybe hes on the jordanian payroll!

Posted by: timmy at July 06, 2005 01:37 PM (FWGcT)

6 what's that chicken little?, why the sky is falling in, you say?

Posted by: dave at July 06, 2005 01:45 PM (fsJ2z)

7 "Not one,I repeat one,thing has turned out the way bush and co. planned it." It took 3 weeks to win the shooting war and convince the regular army in Iraq that continuing the fight was suicidal at best. The Iraqi people voted in their first actual free election in their lifetimes. I would say that those 2 things went the way they were planned. The rest of your post is just the same old tired crap by someone seeing what they want to see. Thanks for stopping by though, and say hi to the 'lords of the underworld' for me.

Posted by: Defense Guy at July 06, 2005 01:45 PM (jPCiN)

8 Caine: Am I supposed to learn something from this blog entry? In regards to the Taliban, and Afghanistan: That war's not over. But we don't have enough people left to fight it. Because we're consumed with Bush's uselessly stupid political adventure in Iraq." I wasn't aware that Afghanistan war, was the sole responsibility of the United States, I must have been mislead. http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/ DAMN THAT CHIMPY MCBUSH.

Posted by: dave at July 06, 2005 04:28 PM (fsJ2z)

9 Isn't Timmy the retarded boy's name on South Park? TIMMAY!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 06, 2005 05:21 PM (0yYS2)

10 Caine and Dave, go suck your mama's tit, little boys. Let us men do the talking here.

Posted by: jihad in the west at July 06, 2005 07:53 PM (DDXXI)

11 reread my post, then recheck your squirrel sized testicles, asshat.

Posted by: dave at July 06, 2005 08:04 PM (fsJ2z)

12 hahaha. Good one, Dave. I needed a laugh today. It's been one helluva weekend.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 08:46 PM (YudAC)

13 It really must be tough on you dumbass, America-hating liberals. You still can't get over the last two elections. Get over it. You lost - you ignorant Teddy loving idiots. You might want to get used to that rage you feel. Looks like you're going to have to be dealing with it for awhile. I hear there are some 'doctors' down in Florida who are treating the hopelessly depressed. Keep up the good work. It's people like you who keep us in power. Oh, and good luck with that whole "Howard Dean" thing.

Posted by: slug at July 06, 2005 11:01 PM (JUHTH)

14 I find it funny that so many "blame-America first libs" are in the Senate. Teddy makes me laugh even more. Where but America can someone who cheats on his wife and drowns a woman can get re-elected consistently. As Yakov Smirnov said "What a country"!

Posted by: Air Force Member at July 10, 2005 10:57 AM (Qmkgs)

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....can I be the first to tell the Washington Post to get bent? Oh, wait, it looks like John Hawkins did that for me. And for newer readers, yes, 'Rusty Shackleford' is not my real name. In real life I'm a 23 year old single-mother struggling through law school and supplementing her meager income by dancing at genlemen's clubs and making guest appearences on softcore porn produced for Cinemax. 'Bluto' also has commentary...

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Zarqawi's al Qaeda Threatens to Murder Egyptian Ambassador

A communique today released by Abu Musab al Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq has threatened to murder the Egyptian Ambassador to Iraq. The group also posted images of Ihab el-Sherif's identification cards.

According to another statement, Sherif has been sentenced by a Sharia (religious law) court for apostasy because of Egypt's alliance "with Christians and Jews." The statement claimed Sherif had been turned over to al Qaeda fighters "to carry out the punishment of apostasy against him." The punishment for apostasy under Islamic law is death. The group often beheads it's victims after forcing them to confess to various crimes under Islamic law.

Al Qaeda routinely murders Muslims who work with the Iraqi government, which they consider an 'apostate' regime. The group also videotapes the murders and posts them on the internet.

Yesterday, al Qaeda had claimed responsibility for Saturday's kidnapping of Sherif.

Al Qaeda in Iraq also released a new audio tape of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi which reluctantly calls on women to join the jihad because of a lack of enough man-power and announced the formation of a new al Qaeda wing to fight Shia militias in Iraq.

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Farwurks & Chicklets WTW

Well I must say itÂ’s been one heck of a week, lots of stuff going on. Me and the boy let off fireworks till we looked like a couple of coal miners on Sunday night. The big ones got rained out on the fourth. We drove over anyway like Â“ye reckon itÂ’ll quiyutÂ”. But we did make some fireworks last night and they were pretty good. Picked me some blackberries last week & got some chiggers. I got to get that done so I can start a batch of wine. Still got plenty of grape left.

Well I gots me a new PC here in the office and I would just like to extend my congratulations to PC makers everywhere for this little box of chicklets they call a keyboard. Well I really donÂ’t want to point fingers but I share a name with the founder. Also a big thanks for doing away with the port that I could have plugged my old one into. I hope yÂ’all saved a Chinese nickel in plastic by screwing with the page up, page down, insert, end, & delete key. I use all those and boy does this suck.

I guess for me this week there can be no other display of behavior other than this bastard. Hanging ainÂ’t good enough and they ought to let that little girl pulls the switch and give this (I canÂ’t think of a good noun) his wish. I canÂ’t say it any better than Rusty did.

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July 05, 2005

I Kill, I Molest, I Blog: Joseph Duncan's Frightening Weblog

Joseph Duncan is the registered sex-offender who murdered the family of Shasta Groene before abducting her. In addition to being a murderer, a rapist, and a pedophile, it seems that (warning, a reader tells me that Duncan's site has a virus: click with caution) Joseph Duncan is also a blogger (via Ace of Spades HQ and Conservative Thinking). His website was started to advocate the rights of sex-offenders, something I'm sure the ACLU would be proud of. From what I gather, he had a personal blog and a corresponding advocacy site.

Duncan's Fifth Nail website has been taken down, but thanks to Google's cache many things become apparent. The subtitle of the blog was: The daily thoughts and activities of a 'Level 3 Sex Offender'

Warning: In light of what we now know about Joseph Duncan, many of his twisted writings become grotesque and sickening. The faint at heart should not read on. more...

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1 I say: One strike and your out for First Degree Rape of a Child. Look what a Â“20 year sentence did for the latest victims. Only childless barren liberal moon bats would advocate letting these monsters out after killing or ruining a childÂ’s life. Let the far left campaign on it. 90% of America would favor mandatory life without parole for First degree rape of a child.

Posted by: Brad at July 05, 2005 05:16 PM (3OPZt)

2 90% of America would favor mandatory life without parole for First degree rape of a child. Count me as one of the other 10%. Any sentence that leaves this guy breathing is too lenient in this parent's opinion.

Posted by: Brian B at July 05, 2005 05:30 PM (CouWh)

3 I'm generally opposed to the sexual offender registries, but mostly for reasons of pragmatism: the information they contain is usually too vague and covers too many people to be useful. There are 70 alone in my zip code, and I haven't the foggiest idea from the descriptions what most of them did. Also, why should I consider someone convicted of a "Class II sexual misdemeanor" (whatever that is, the registries don't say) more of a concern than someone convicted of attempted arson or attempted murder or aggravated assault? This monster was more than a child rapist, he's a spree killer. Would his crime be less horrific if he'd "only" killed and not actually raped anyone?

Posted by: Dean Esmay at July 05, 2005 06:06 PM (Fs6IG)

4 To bad Joseph E. Duncan the turd i`m third didn`t have brian b`s home adress instead...

Posted by: mike at July 05, 2005 06:42 PM (DG+dn)

5 To bad Joseph E. Duncan the turd or the third didnt have brian b`s home address instead...

Posted by: mike at July 05, 2005 06:50 PM (DG+dn)

6 That's why we have the ACLU, for satanists and child molesters.

Posted by: Carlos at July 05, 2005 08:04 PM (8e/V4)

7 Amen Carlos; the American Criminal Lovers Union.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 05, 2005 09:53 PM (0yYS2)

8 You are sick minded. You need help. You need to start talking. We want to know the truth.

Posted by: Miguel Barron at July 05, 2005 11:21 PM (4bmwf)

9 We need a Devil's Island for real lifetime after release. No kids, no privacy, no exit, real hard work. And the death penalty for ANY felony.

Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at July 05, 2005 11:41 PM (xX0fS)

10 I think a simple homing device...along the lines of the Lo Jack on my car might be a nice simple beginning step...or for the price conscious...a beg red tattoo on the center of the forehead PERVERT....

Posted by: Crystal Clear at July 06, 2005 01:52 AM (CQDk7)

11 what a sick bastard

Posted by: Jane at July 06, 2005 08:45 AM (6krEN)

12 Brian, as a father I share your feelings about these sick predators. However, I think we would have a better chance of passing initiatives in states if we demand life without parole for child rape. I do not believe we could get anything passed that required the death penalty. While life in prison is too good for these monsters, it is better protection for our kids than the insane system we have now

Posted by: Brad at July 06, 2005 08:58 AM (pO1tP)

13 Brad said: "I do not believe we could get anything passed that required the death penalty." Which is just another reason to never EVER vote dhimmicrat.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 06, 2005 09:48 AM (0yYS2)

14 Child Molester Tracking Device

Posted by: Oxen at July 06, 2005 10:13 AM (w9vWW)

15 "In addition to being a murderer, a rapist, and a pedophile..." Hey, muzzies should love this guy!

Posted by: Princess Kimberley at July 06, 2005 01:06 PM (LNA9X)

16 Why in the hell should we pay the annual upkeep for someone who can't be rehabilitated who will re-offend if let loose? No, I think they deserve to die. Little Jessica Lunsford was buried alive with her little stuffed dolphin...these sickos don't give their victims any choices, they themselves don't deserve any. We've got to quit having such "sympathy" for the perpetrators of crimes. I'm seeing the same sick "sympathy" for the terrorist beheaders in IRAQ. This is mis-placed and dangerous thinking. In both cases, the perps deserve to die. It's mercy; relieving them from their pain in this life. And somehow giving the victims' families the peace of mind to know they won't ever ever do it to some other child.

Posted by: Cao at July 06, 2005 06:13 PM (RyucI)

17 Thanks for doing the thankless job of bringing to light this evildoer. May IT'S death be painful and public. Preferably by castration via machete.

Posted by: Josef at July 06, 2005 07:29 PM (EpYpQ)

18 Your hyperlink to Conservative Thinking has a hyperlink to a better archive of this spawn of Satan. As you may know, Huckleberries Online & Conservative Thinking is also doing yeoman's work on this.

Posted by: Josef at July 06, 2005 09:36 PM (EpYpQ)

19 Castration, and NOT chemical is the only way to deal with these sickos. Sorry but had they handled it differently when he brutally terrorized and raped the first 14 year old victim...perhaps Shasta would have been spared and my mind cannot even ... imagine ...the horrors her young brother would have been saved from.

Posted by: DT at July 06, 2005 09:43 PM (dOPjB)

20 Why was he allowed to post bail and be released? Apparently the judge wasnt aware of how dangerous he was! People have to stop turning their heads when it comes to these twisted and evil crimes on children. People have to work together and make a difference. What is the chance they will be rehabilitated? from what I hear, its next to nothing!! Let him suffer in prison w\out seperation rights from other prisoners or give him the death penalty. unfortunately,that will be better than what little Dylan was given.

Posted by: gilbert at July 06, 2005 11:04 PM (ht7ZY)

21 DT, I totally agree with you. However, what can we reasonably expect as a best case? 1. Castration? 2. Death penalty? 3. Life without parole after ONE offense? I say 1 or 2 are preferable, but not realistic,we could pass #3 or get democrats defeated opposing it. The best thing we could do for the children of this country is actually pass a law that would leave the kids better off, not fall on a sword that the dems could mount a successful defense against. There is a movement in WA to get a one strike youÂ’re out ballot initiative moving forward. I believe we could by-pass the dem Legislature and Governor and get a super majority of voters to pass it. The dems would look like fools trying to oppose it.

Posted by: Brad at July 06, 2005 11:18 PM (pO1tP)

22 Preferably by castration via machete. Let's just send them to Afghanisatan, on special ops raping little Talibanazis. Like the Dirty Dozen. WoW! What great movie!

Posted by: Jesus Dorkas at July 07, 2005 04:27 AM (qMxTg)

23 Brad-Yes unfortunately the many bleeding hearts out there would never allow castration or the death penalty for first offenses. Of course life in prison, at tax payers expense, is the only way to go...just make sure it is in the general population. My understanding is their is an heirarchy even in the prisions...I am sure the pervs would make a nice 'bitch' for some hungry Bubba. Sorry I have three kids, and from what I gathered from a Montana paper, I haven't seen it in the national news, Dylan suffered...and I mean that and of course Shasta is going to be traumatized by what happened and what she witnessed for the rest of her life. No sympathy here for pedophiles...I still say hit 'em where it hurts...FULL castration.

Posted by: DT at July 07, 2005 12:45 PM (dOPjB)

24 There is no "cure" or rehabilitation for pedophiles. That's not to say a person cannot overcome or control their urges if they want to badly enough... but just like drinking and other compulsive illnesses, what happens when they "fall off the wagon"? Control or not, the urges never go away. Castration is not an answer either, because the kind of crimes that Duncan has committed (besides the possible murders) stem from something much deeper than a sexual perversion. If he had no wanker, he'd have used an object or administered torture in some other manner. His crime is about defiling something innocent. It is rape taken to it's most horrible level. Castration wouldn't stop someone like him. There is no doubt in my mind that he needs to die. And I didn't have to hear any demons to know that. God told me. He had it written in my Bible. I saw a show on TV where they claimed Nevada has mandatory life-without-parole for sexual contact with any child under the age of 14. It is supposedly not dependent on it being a repeat offense. Does anyone know if this is true? I am all for the death penalty, but if mandatory life in prision without parole is the best we can do, it is at least better than what we have now. Each of us needs to push for these kinds of laws in our own state. Write letters, send faxes, visit your local politicians... do whatever it takes. Many Legislators even have e-mail. IT IS WAY PAST TIME FOR US TO TAKE A STAND FOR THE SAKE OF THE CHILDREN! Jen, in Maryland

Posted by: Jen at July 07, 2005 10:10 PM (uN/ka)

25 I'm a mother, liberal and a lifelong Dem and I don't believe that sex offenders should be allowed to live. I don't believe that they should be allowed back into society. I'm tired of hearing conservatives blame liberals for people (and I use that word very loosely) such as this scum. As if life is better and safer under conservatives. I don't feel safer. My only safety is to do everying thing I can to protect my children. Although I disagree with conservatives, as they approach things in a self-righteous, self-serving, controlling, and heavy handed way, I do agree that there should be no mercy for anyone who harms children in any way. Btw, there are many Democrats that don't make the news that believe in the death penalty for capital crimes, which I believe kidnapping and rape of anyone (especially children) should be classified.

Posted by: Monica at July 08, 2005 02:22 AM (g2osv)

26 Okay, I've never been accused of being conservative, but I do have fantasies about what I'd like to see happen to this guy. I think he should be locked up with a toilet and a little trap door for food never to be let out again. No reading materials. No writing materials. No human contact. This guy said that he's afraid of being alone. He would have to sit in the filth of his own mind and body until the end. He would have nobody to tell his sob stories to. No one to justify his actions to. I don't want him to be killed. I want him to die ALONE with only his "demons" to keep him company. God is judge.

Posted by: Kristin at July 08, 2005 08:22 AM (bc2IC)

27 Damn..Don't blame the ACLU for this guy. They did'nt let him out of prison. One of the main reason they let people like him out is to make room for all the millions of new prisners coming in.probly for something atrocius like being caught for smoking a joint. You want people like him to stay in longer. repeal the prohibition of drug use and let drug ofenders out to make room for vermin like this piece of work. I bet the ACLU will thank you for this, then they don't have to deal with jerks like Rush L.

Posted by: tim at July 08, 2005 08:42 AM (eZhHa)

28 Err, no Tim, Just lock the sick bastards up for life with no possibility for parole. Why is it so hard for you lefties to say yes to this? You are the problem!

Posted by: Brad at July 08, 2005 09:39 AM (pO1tP)

29 First off, I wish to reiterate that I think we should pass a law that anyone who commits a premeditated murder automatically wins table number #1, (yes the lethal injection girdy.) I am willing to expanded this to accomadate Monica's wishes that if anyone premeditatively or spontaneously kills a child, they win table #1 also. As for sex offenders, once again I state I see there are two types. Those that force and those that trick. What I mean by that is that anyone who "forces" some one, is one who violently does so, with guns, knifes, whatever. These scum should get a special treatment that I heard that Japan uses on prisoners. (Don't know if it is true or not, but sounds cool.) For the rest of their life, they will get 15 minutes to eat three meals a day (total of 45 minutes), 8 hours of sleep, 15 minute shower, 7 hours of a work detail, and 8 hours sitting in a yoga position (foot on opposite thigh, hands on knees.) and contemplate what they have done. IF they start to slouch or sleep, a good piece of bamboo to the shoulders could correct that. This would be for the remainder of their life. Of course this is for only the sex offenders that force their prey, and did not kill. Those who kill, see above. Now those who trick the victims, I believe these to be few by comparison. What I mean is those who gets their victims to willingly have sex with them, but should not, (ie a 20 year old conning a 13 year old to have sex.) These will get the same prison treatment as above, but for a certain length of time. Honestly I believe all criminal in jail should get the above treatment. I can think of nothing more that I would hate than to have to sit straight for eight hours with nothing do but think. I am sure after one prison term, I would not go back.

Posted by: Butch at July 08, 2005 12:02 PM (Gqhi9)

30 As a mother of 3 and a grandmother of one, this whole thing makes me sick! I feel horrible and sick to my stomach for what Shasta and her brother Dylan had to endure. And to make it even worse her mother and other brother are also dead at that hands of this monster. Chemical castration? FUCK THAT! Kill that monster!! He can't be rehabilitated! And why should honest hardworking taxpaying citizens have to pay for this monster to recieve 3 meals a day, a bed and a roof over his head??? I say kill these monsters and be done with it. He was in prison for 17 years and when he got out how many children did he harm? We'll probably never know. My prayers are with the Groene family.

Posted by: Alma at July 08, 2005 12:36 PM (9YN3E)

31 No Brad...Assholes like you are the problem. I did;nt say not to lock the guy up and cut off his balls. I said make room for them to do that in the prison system by letting out people that did not commit crimes against others by making what they did not a crime. People like Rush Limbaugh (who I wish was in prison) who only hurt themselves by the "crimes" they commited. By the way, you did know it is the ACLU that is representing Rush. No Brad...Your the problem. You can't figure these things out....You need us liberals to do it for you...Get fucked Brad

Posted by: tim at July 08, 2005 01:29 PM (eZhHa)

32 Tim, your getting a little carried away. Let me point out a few things to you son. No one is in prison for smoking a joint. They are in prison for transporting mass quantities of Pot for distribution. They are also in prison for setting up meth labs, dealing coke and other dangerous drugs. Saying people are in prison for smoking a joint is Â…well A lie. Plenty of waste in the budget to cut and build new warehouses for child rapists. What it boils down to is this. The left will not consent to castration, death or life in prison for child rapists. They will try to defer you good people from protecting your children by the likes of the stupid fluff thrown up by Tim. Tim is either a childless pot smoking gay man who cares nothing for our kids or a young man living in his parentÂ’s basement who smokes weeeeeeed when the folks are at work. Remember parents, the goal is to get meaningful protection for our kids. The left will protect these animals like they are an endangered species. LetÂ’s get Life without parole passed in our states and build the cages necessary to store the sub humans in. Pelosi, Frank, Waxman,Connyers and people like Tim will tell you we are wrong. Push the gas pedal and run them over with CitizenÂ’s Initiatives in your states to get it accomplished. Also Tim, clean up you mouth son, this is not a bathhouse!!!

Posted by: Brad at July 08, 2005 01:51 PM (3OPZt)

33 It is refreshing to know that even a few liberals believe the death penalty in cases of pedophila or child rape is acceptable...and by the same token nice to know that conservatives (who tend to be pro-life) ALSO see the need for scum like Duncan to meet the needle. Maybe there IS some chance of the two forces meeting in the middle. How wonderful. Honestly I don't care which side of the fence you stand on...I just want to know that while I am doing everything I can to protect my kids, I don't have to worry about being hammered to death in own HOME by some pervert after my kids. Damn owning a gun is sounding better and better.

Posted by: DT at July 08, 2005 04:12 PM (dOPjB)

34 Being a victim twice of child molesters at the age of 2 and 7, I can confirm there is no cure for these monsters. Do us victims a favor and put an end to the constant nightmare we face each day. Death is the only answer.

Posted by: Yvonne at July 08, 2005 06:32 PM (PMxat)

35 fuck you Brad ass...I'm a liberal and I'm all for cutting the guys balls up and locking him up and throughing away the key..

Posted by: tim at July 08, 2005 07:13 PM (eZhHa)

36 Yvonne, and tim, I guess the thing you don't get is we do not get to kill these guys. Next best thing is to put them away for life. Even the libs would back this. Yvonne, since the libs will never give you what you want, we will be stuck with what we have now, a mess. I was looking for a better plan. Yours is unreal and leaves us where we are now. Hey Tim, just a real pleasure talkin.

Posted by: Brad at July 08, 2005 08:01 PM (pO1tP)

37 Hey Rusty, The site has not been taken down. I found a mirror site that has the same posts as the original. http://fifthnail.blogspot.com/

Posted by: kermit at July 08, 2005 10:08 PM (DX+fh)

38 hang this basterd in the cda park!let him hang all summer with a sign saying "this is what you get if you come to idaho to prey on ours!" that judge who put his bail slitly higher than pocket change needs a little neck tie to

Posted by: doug at July 09, 2005 12:13 AM (pO1tP)

39 I work in a prison, which houses these sicks pieces of sh1t, and can tell you that most of them are not affected by being in prison. They are the biggest complainers, filing grievances for the most ridiculous things, such as "My food was cold yesterday and Officer Joe Blow made me eat it or go without lunch". The food was designed to be a cold meal - cold cuts. They are so sick too. We constantly find them attempting to collect pictures of little children, cut out of magazines and books. Also, it has become an issue that society has overlooked for so long that the other inmates do not outcast them any more. They simply become "Bubba's" wife, which they like or they do legal work, trying to help get the other scum bags out of prison or they file fradualant income tax returns for inmates, a scam which would piss the average tax payer off if they knew how rampant it is. Generally, they are accepted among this new breed of criminals. To most of the dirt-bags, in prison, it's society that is the problem, not the child molestor/murderer. We have the new law, in Florida, that guarantees 25 to life for first time offenders. I am glad to see this implements; however, I would prefer hard labor also. I don't see how we, as society, can let these maggots live in a prison, work a simple job, go to the library and learn how to file administrative complaints at will, eat three decent meals a day, play hand-ball, watch television and engage in sex acts. They need to work so hard during the day that they fall asleep right after work, with no time or energy to play in their little world. Sorry to ramble, but this really makes me sick - I have to see it, first hand. everyday.

Posted by: Max at July 09, 2005 04:44 AM (2zp4l)

40 I don't think castration will stop these sexual predators - they still have hands and feet and teeth. I tend to like the idea of sending them to the front lines in Iraq, one way ticket, of course.

Posted by: syllvyy at July 09, 2005 04:48 AM (sD4bm)

41 Brad, I hear you, buddy. We need to get this thing passed, ASAP. Life without parole, period. It's been high-time, for too long now. If the lefties would wake the hell up, get outta their funk, and allow their hearts to bleed for what they should be bleeding for (the innocent little children) instead of, these boils on the ass of society, we could all breathe a sigh of relief when something like this happens (knowing there WON'T be a chance of them walking among us once they've been locked away.) It still blows my mind that this freak was put back out on the streets. The judge that set his bail was without doubt, fully cognizant of what a risk he was to society. What the hell was he thinking? I don't know if you watch OReilly, but he said tonight that he's sent multiple letters, made multiple phone calls; he's actively persuing this life without parole in each state. Good for him. We can't all sit and whine about it, we've gotta act on it as well. I like Butch's thoughts on this too. However, I believe the first time one of these guys fell asleep, rather than a nice piece of bamboo across the shoulders, how about a nice fat piece of bamboo, right straight up the ass. Tim, check your anti-psychotic meds, dude. Sure it's not time for a refill?

Posted by: Gwen at July 09, 2005 05:08 AM (GkBUm)

42 Tim you need to get a fuckin brain! I am a mother and I guarantee you if any disgusting sex offender would ever lay a hand on her the taxpayers would not have to be burdened with taking care of him. I would kill the fucker and if I had the chance, it would not be a quick and painless death. People like you make me fuckin sick!

Posted by: mary at July 09, 2005 08:10 PM (4Sq4a)

43 I'm with Max on this one. But what is the solution? I have it but the liberals would call me murderer, Hitler, etc. etc. Why should honest, hardworking people absorb the cost of housing long time criminals who will never be responsible citizens? Wouldn't the money be better spent on Education? I like and support the three strikes and you are out law. My take is three strikes and you are out really means you are out. Not housed for the rest of your life. Three strikes and they should meet their maker.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 09, 2005 11:07 PM (CBNGy)

44 I live in Coeur D' ALene, Where Duncan's last victims lives and lived. Brenda used to come over to our house when I was a child. My daughter went to the same school as Shasta and Dylan. I never thought something like this would happen in our city. My mom has been working very hard to get those children found. When Shasta was found without Dylan at a local Denny's (where a friend of mine was working at the time) with Duncan, we had no idea what kind of person he was! How could a human being do something so horrific? But then I dont consider him hunam at all!!! What a sick sick sick man, just reading his blogs gives me chills. That poor girl, to be the only survivor of something like that.

Posted by: Sanity at July 10, 2005 02:01 PM (pO1tP)

45 I am so at odds. While I prefer the idea to killing Duncan and perverts like him...it just seems too, well much to kind to give them a short painless death after all the horrors they inflict. On the other hand...life imprisonment, at tax payer expense leaves an ugly taste in my mouth too. Maybe they need to get more creative for the punishments for rapists and pedophiles...I say GO MEDIEVAL!

Posted by: DT at July 10, 2005 06:30 PM (dOPjB)

46 ya'll don't get it..I'm a liberal and I'm for ending this jerks life as soon as posible although it probly would be harder on him to spend the rest of his life dealing with the "normal" prison population. They have a way to make life real hard on these kinds of people. But here's the bottom line.. You conservatives blame all the countrys problem on the leberals. You talk about us in terms much like this kid killer..Tell you what Brad... I don't smoke pot or do drugs and I am pretty good at kicking ass. The way I see it,we got a civil war brewing right here in this country. The libs and the conservatives.. I know yal are wating for us to bring it on. Dont worry it's coming...

Posted by: tim at July 10, 2005 09:53 PM (eZhHa)

47 Having written a program to rehabilitate sex offenders and having worked with them...you need to know there is no cure for these creatures. They will continue to re-offend, feeling no remorse for the children they have violated. Offenders will demand every right that a normal person has legally and physically. The only cure is death, for just as one post states, "even when casterated they still have teeth , fingers , and foreign objects," they will use to violate the children they prey upon...the compulsion is in their head...what does that tell you? The only cure is to dispose of the body part that allows them to function. I am a mother and a professional, and I would dispose of an individual of this kind in a heartbeat. The damage done to the children left behind is everlasting, the scares go right to the soul of the victims. It takes years of therapy and even then there is residual effects to the small humans these fiends violate. I believe the only solution to this kind of individual(notice I will not use his name as I choose not to diginify him or allow him the humaness of a name) is death by decapitation... after he has suffered at the hands of the family..."an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth"...I say this after a long season of thought.

Posted by: Jeannie at July 11, 2005 12:05 AM (pO1tP)

48 Tim; Read the post by Max; the prison worker. This monster isn't going to meet karma in a prison, you can almost bet money on that much. Prison's going to be a cake walk for this loser. It's not going to be a shock to his system either, as we all know he's spent the majority of his life in one. I'm sure he knows what to expect, and what to do to survive by now. Honestly, I can't say that I'm for killing this loser. I still don't feel we have the right to take lives. And yeah, I'm from Texas too. Go figure. But, sure...I'd certainly like to see this psychotic freak suffer all the rest of his days. This monster raped little boys. Do you really think him becoming some guys "butt-buddy" in prison is going to ruin his day? This freak will probably enjoy it! The only thing we can hope for at this junctor, is that he'll be sent to a far rougher prison than the ones he's been housed in, in the past. Maybe this time, he'll display his cocky attitude, and get a little torture of his own. I hope someone beats this maniacle freak to a pulp. He needs a taste of his own medicine. And Tim, my apologizies. Initially, you didn't quite come across as you are now. It's so frustrating that this country sits in so many ruts, because the lefties are so damned determined to keep their asses planted in the mud. Yeah, alot of it IS the left. Sanity, my prayers are with you and your community. What a tragic and horrific thing to have happen so close to home. My Goodness, the existential fear and dread, that must surely come with having to tell the friends and aquaintances of those poor Groene children. So sad. So, very sad.

Posted by: Gwen at July 11, 2005 03:52 AM (oxd8R)

49 COME ON PEOPLE THIS IS NOT A LEFT OR RIGHT ISSUE....THIS IS HUMAN ISSUE. YOU WHO ATTEMPT TO MAKE THIS A POLITICAL ISSUE ARE DOLTS....WHAT PARTY PERSUASION IS THE JUDGE WHO TURNED THIS CREATURE LOOSE...CHECK IT OUT...AS I SAID THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE...

Posted by: jeannie at July 11, 2005 06:55 AM (pO1tP)

50 I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THIS SITE, I UNDERSTAND IT'S YOUR SITE BUT AS I READ IT I HAD TO DIREGARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS OF THE OWNER. I WANTED TO HAVE MY OWN OPINION OF JOE'S WRITINGS WITHOUT THE PURSUASION OF SOMEONE ELSES THOUGHTS TELLING ME WHAT HE WAS LIKE. ME? I DO THINK HE NEEDED HELP. I DON'T REALLY THINK HE HAD CONTROL. AT 17, BEING PUT IN JAIL FOR ALMOST 20 MORE- DON'T YOU THINK THAT WOULD DO SOMETHING TO A PERSON? REGARDLESS OF TREATMENT HE WOULD NEVER BE NORMAL. I DO THINK THEY TREAT SEX OFFENDERS BADLY. WHAT IF YOU RAN A RED LIGHT, CRASHED INTO SOMEONE AND KILLED THEM? THEN YOUR NAME WAS PUT INTO A DATABASE SAYING YOU WERE A TERRIBLE DRIVER AND EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR YOU. PEOPLE WOULD BE HARRASSING YOU NOT LETTING YOU FORGET WHAT YOU HAD DONE. IT WAS YOUR FAULT YOU RAN THE RED LIGHT, AS IT WAS HIS THAT HE COMMITED THE CRIME. BOTH WOULD NEED COUNSELING OR WHATEVER. I DO AGREE WITH HIM THAT SOCIETY MAKES IT HARDER FOR SEX OFFENDERS TO BE REHABILITATED. THE MAJORITY OF US ARE CLOSE MINDED AND SELFISH. I AM A 28 YR OLD FEMALE WITH A 7YR OLD SON AND A 6YR OLD DAUGHTER, RAISING THEM ON MY OWN. I TEACH MY CHILDREN THE STRANGER DANGER RULE AND AM SOMEWHAT OVERPROTECTIVE OF THEM. YOU DO HAVE TO LOVE THY ENEMY, BUT WHO AM I TO JUDGE THIS GUY? HE HAS A DISEASE, CLEARLY. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE JUDGING THIS GUY AND MAKING THINGS WORSE, YOU'RE JUST SPREADING HATRED. WHAT SHOULD BE GOING ON IS ALOT OF PRAYING FOR HIM, THE FAMILIES INVOLVED AND YOURSELF.

Posted by: SAD at July 11, 2005 11:56 AM (hn8pm)

51 I have read the Duncan blogs and am convinced he was just creating an audience and was delighted at the bs he was dishing out. He took those kids for his own sadistic pleasure, no demons told him. I get the impression he went for broke to fulfill the most deviant, sexualy sick and perverted act he could think of. Sick or not he knew he was doing wrong and smart enough to get help. Duncan now is history, the little darling that survived it all needs all our prayers and help so she can have as normal life as possible.

Posted by: hyc at July 11, 2005 01:20 PM (r4MNM)

52 Tim thinks the ACLU did not let this gut out? Who do you think has been protecting(for free) The North American Man/Boy Love Association. The ACLU defends their right to post tips for moltesing little boys. IT MAKES NO SENSE! THE ACLU SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OF THE COUNTRY...Sorry, sometimes the idiocy of the left(TIM & THE ACLU included) gets to me. This is the last country with any real sense of right and wrong, but I fear we are going the way of the Netherlands and others.

Posted by: BILL at July 11, 2005 04:40 PM (V6dMN)

53 Butt-raping a child or pointlessly beating humans to death (as if there *IS* a sensible reason to do so!) is a little different from running a red light and accidently killing a person, dontcha think? I'm sorry, have I missed the alikeness? This monster was cognizant of right and wrong. He made choices; he mindfully did the things he did. Who do you know in need of counseling for running through a red light? Great "analogy." ...thanks for the wisdom. The prayer, yeah. This man needs prayers. No arguements there. Any and all psychotic freaks like him, as well.

Posted by: Gwen at July 11, 2005 08:19 PM (oxd8R)

54 A male co-worker and I were having a discussion... he said... "Everyone deserves a second chance, but after that, they should be locked up for life..." I looked at him and said... "Okay, your 6 year old daughter gets to be his second chance... still feel the same way?" funny how he changed his tune. Also, I was listening to someone (sorry, can't give ya the person or station - just one of the many "experts" that have been on the tv) who said that they defend the decision to offer bail because Duncan wasn't a "violent" offender, pedophiles generally are non-violent and have a sexual dysfunction. HUH??? Since when is holding a gun to a 14 year olds head while you force him to perform oral sex on you and then top it off with an anal raping not violent??? Or a 60 year old pedophile forcing intercourse onto a 3 year old isn't violence??? what is it... love??? I guess if he had shot the kid that would have reached their level of violence??? It's no wonder we are a screwed up bunch!!!

Posted by: Linny at July 12, 2005 12:55 PM (EFx7r)

55 To all the Ducan's in the world, You are all so sick you need to be put in a room with parents we will show you what hurting our children is all about guantee you would never hurt another one talk about very sick thoughts i could top it hurt my child you would have a very slow death you are sick and deserve the worsed society could hand out. YOU SICK BASTARDS HAVE ALL THE EXCUSES AS TO WHY YOU SHOULD HURT A CHILD. What gives you the right is what i want to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank god your not my child!!!!!!! as far as i'm concern your mother delivered the devil and she is as much to blame as you are and where is you dad he belongs right aside you all Death is to good for all of you!! you are a sick preverted fuck who needs to be eattin my the wild animals of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: annette at July 12, 2005 01:39 PM (pO1tP)

56 The USA is way to civilized to do anything against a human being. Maybe we should do to Duncan what the taliban (or whoever they were) that captured Eugene Armstrong and videotaped his beheading did. That is the kind of treatment these SO's need. Anyone who watched that video of an innocent man being beheaded knows how sick and horrific it was, but to do it to someone like Duncan would cure this sexual offender crap real fast. Behead them in the same manner as those innocent captives were beheaded in Iraq and videotape it for all Sexual Offenders to see. Then ask them if they want to rape another child. Oh, but then I forgot about all those Human Rights Activist groups out there that actually assist these creeps and protect their rights. Where were they when they were hurting the children and murdering them???? This sickens me!!!

Posted by: diamond at July 12, 2005 06:54 PM (feoEV)

57 I have be wacth this case. i do think joseph eward ducan 111 need the dentaly pentarly because it not fair for the child to get hurt or kill no matter what. i cannot stay for a kids to get hurt. and i hope the do the right thing.

Posted by: amanda at July 13, 2005 05:34 PM (RD9JV)

58 i hope the judge does the right . i know the kids are the one to have to deal with the harm it happen. joseph eward ducan111 need the dentaly penatray for killing people.specail the kid he kill? the judge need to past law that sex offenderse should be allow out of jail.becasue they can strike again. joseph eward need take respbaity has for what he did. the demon are not the fault he is the one does.

Posted by: leannea at July 13, 2005 05:42 PM (RD9JV)

59 Think back to what the liberal def of prison is: REHABILITATION! HOW CAN YOU REHABILITATE DUNCAN?? Hear them now echoing the republican "hard on crime" sentiment but don't ypu ever forget that when your back is turned it's your fault,it the white mans fault and it's soceity's fault. The Democrats care only about one thin: The rule of law as they post it is the absolute rule of law, thier is no divine rule no god, they are god and thier rule is the rule of the earth. The Democrts are the evil on the earth and I'm a democrate!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Zach at July 14, 2005 02:09 AM (f8d4M)

60 i want to have sex with ducan and merry him and lay him he is mine babby and take off his clothes and go in bed with him and havesex and abuse i am going to kiss him and put my hand on his penis and butt and suck his penis and we me and ducan are going to get married!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jason at July 14, 2005 09:50 AM (O32Nn)

61 As a brother to three siblings, who were all sexually abused either by neighbors or family members, I believe there is NO rehabilitation for scum such as these. The only people as bad as them are the friends and family members who stand by allowing these crimes to occur, often repeatedly. I like what Dennis Miller said on one of his HBO shows, "If you can look at a little child and see something sexually arousing or interesting to you in that child, then please lean your head into the strike zone and take one for the team. It's time to thin the herd out a little more." Amen Dennins, Amen.

Posted by: James Cox at July 16, 2005 08:54 PM (hIP8m)

62 If you are ever sick enough to hurt a child in ANY way - you are sick and dangerous for life and should NEVER see the light of day again. You can't rehabilitate anyone like that.

Posted by: LAH at July 17, 2005 07:34 AM (m7QBB)

63 Ha!! It's me again...The sick, demented, ACLU supporting, Bush hating, non-chritstian (bhuddist), non-patriot (intitialy I was for the invasion of Iraq but when I found out how bad bush lied....,and now how his #2 man did the patriotic thing of revealing our spies to the world...). I just came back to point out another failure of the bush administration. One of his objectives according to his 2nd inagureal address was to bring the country together. These previous blogs show just how badley he has failed.As I pointed out earlier, Dems and Reps are at apoint of civil war right here in our own country. Pretty soon history books will be talking about the once great country, that defeated itself.

Posted by: tim at July 18, 2005 10:17 AM (eZhHa)

64 I have no mercy, feelings, or thought of good things for Duncan. I have a grandaughter 8 years old and everytime the thoughts of pedifiles come in my mind I think of her and all the other sexually abused children and in my opion WE as a nation need to join forces to change these smack on the wrist laws. Death, life in prison (toGood for them)or whatever it takes to remove them from society needs to be done. When you put people in the White House to represent you, make sure of their views on this issue. Call, write letters, whatever to your local congressmen NOW!!!! Our child could be next.

Posted by: Angie at July 18, 2005 06:07 PM (nzwJU)

65 Tim...True confession time...I'm 55 yrs. old and am what has been reffered as a survivor of (cant say regular word) being molested by family member. What happened is I was molested by my grandfather for about 5 or 6 years. It was not near as bad as what happened to the little girl above, but probly was worese than what happened to some of the victims of the catholic priest's. They got a lot of money for their victimiztion. I did'nt. Not that I am bitter about that, but hey, I could have used the money. I will tell you this. My life would have been drastically different if that had not happened. I garantee you it would have been way easier than it has been.And I garantee this...That little girl's life has been changed forever. Life will be much harder for her than it would had if not for duncan the child molester. Here is a point for you conservatives. My grandfather the molester was a die hard republican. If you did not know he was a child molester, you would have been proud of him. All the republican views you glorify (except those regarding molesting his grandchildren((my bro and suister to))are the views you espouse. Republicanism and conservatism are perfect camoflouge for child molesters,rapist's serial killers and such. They hide behind the normal image y'all posess. Two famous examples...Wayne Gayce,,,Ted Bundy. Bothe used their conservatism as covers.

Posted by: tim at July 18, 2005 06:36 PM (eZhHa)

66 More from tim...The above is all true. I am not making it up. You would think I would be bitter against child molesters. I am not...I think they are very sick people and should be kept off the streets and in mant cases executed as soon as it has been determined they are the guilty ones. I am bitter against conservatism. Here was a staunch conservative republican who berated me continualy for my liberal views and here he was ruining my life by his unspeakable ways..My view is this...What kind of hidden agendas do you have as a conservative. You act like Mr/ms. high and mighty and yet what kind of secrets do you hold. Are you a member of the klan,help knock off a few blacks by hanging them from a tree. Shoot a few commie liberal ACLU'ers in your life time. Or may be like my grandfather, molested a few kids here and there, maybe raped a few women. One thing about liberals, we don't hide who we are

Posted by: tim at July 18, 2005 06:48 PM (eZhHa)

67 I don't understand your thought process. You critize the ACLU (repeatedly)with obviously very little understanding of what the ACLU stands for. The ACLU is a long-time defender of freedom of speach -- including your speech. The ACLU has joined forces with a number of very conservative organizations, including the Eagle Form. You see, the point for the ACLU is the content of the speech that is valued, but the right to speak. You evidently find value in the website of Duncan or you would not quote it verbatim. Ironic isn't it? You, if actuality, have used -- to your benefit -- the same speech you critize the ACLU for protecting. If you don't think it should be protected, don't use it. Also, your statements about the ACLU and the sex offenders registry lacks a considerable basic understanding. As someone who would want to protect their families from sexual offenders, wouldn't you want to know the difference between someone 19 who was intimite with a 16-year-old to whom the "offender" has been lawfully married for 15 years and those who have been convicted of child molestation or rape. Of course you would. That is the "threat" the ACLU is taking about. If you have 30 register sexual offenders, 18 of them pose no threat to society, would you want to know the difference? It is much easier to protect your children from the two that matter than the 30 that may or may not matter, especially when you are not provided information on which to make an educated deccision. Or, perhaps as your website indicates, you just forego the "education," "information," and "speech" that may help you arive at an informed decision and seek to hate all 30. I wonder though, how many of you have a 19-year-old son?

Posted by: Kate at July 19, 2005 02:17 PM (QZn7I)

68 Tim, first of all, if you've truly been abused/molested (and even worse)...by someone you loved and trusted, then my heart goes out to you. I'm really sorry to hear that you were violated in such dispicable manner. Such stories rip my heart out. Where most of us suffer through lifes little adversities, children like you are left to work through catastrophies you've been so forcefully thrown into. You have two choices then as you grow into a young adult and your own individual. You can get professional help, overcome it and come out a stronger/better person on the other side of it, or you can curl up in a ball, refuse professional help, be angry with the world and ultimately, totally self-destruct. Or, be like Duncan, not only self-destructing, but becoming a cold-blooded murderer and pedofile in the process. It's appearing that you are one who has overcome this adversity, and come out of it as a stronger person, on the other side of the darkness. Congratulations. Now, as far as all that leftie mumbo jumbo garbage of yours...I got nothing for you. Not even gonna give that the time of day, it was so stinking ridiculous. I will tell you this though. You mentioned "BushCo and his lies" (paraphrasing here) in all of your babbling above. Tim, have you ever stopped long enough to really think on why the media hasn't taken this Downing Street garbage any further than they have? Why has it stayed so under wraps? This is big news! Huge stuff! Why's it so hush-hush now? Why doesn't the media have this plastered all over the place now? Huh? Wanna know why? I'll tell you why! You heard all about Bush's "lies" and Bush's "pre-meditated" plans about the "fabrications" for no more than a few days, BECAUSE it all checked out as total BULL-HOCKEY! Erroneous information. NOT true, fallacious, phoney-bologna, inncorrect, fraudulent, absolutely meaningless, shit served-on-a-cracker, kind of stuff...period. The Downing Street Memo's were false documents. Not true and original documents. Someone elses words, not Bush's, not Blairs. If all of this you babble about were true, dontcha think we would have kicked the man to the Penn. Ave. curb? There is no substance to the claim/accusation. What, have you missed all subsequent news reportings that mentioned this correction? Missed the newspapers? There weren't alot, but they were there. They don't like to blow-up their retractions so much, ya know? Wanna know what's going on? Listen to Rush for a day or two (personally, I don't like the guy, I find him a bit too obnoxious...but he's factual, none the less)...he plays the soundbites, he comments on the truths, no fudging. All facts. Ya know, you lefties are stuck in such a funk, it's not even funny.

Posted by: Gwen at July 19, 2005 04:24 PM (dWUhJ)

69 Gwen...every word of what I said was true. My point...You "righties", blame us "lefties" for every thing..Even child molesters like Duncan...My point, many if not most child molesters are conservative "righties" and they hide their shit behind a guise of patriotism christianity or what ever it is that "righties" use to make them feel right...Listen to Rush...Damn Gwen..Talk about babbling...That guy is king Babble. My blood pressure goes up just hearing his voice even before listening to the content. He calls it entertainment, which brings into question whether even he believes what he's saying.... About Downing Street. Come on....Whole thing tells you Bush was lying about WMD. He knew Iraq did'nt have them...Wilson told him Africa was'nt selling Iraq nuclear stuff. Pissed Bush off regular. Whether it was Rove or not, it sure was sombody on his staff And thats my point about conservatives/Republicans. You all always have a hidden agenda. Are we (lefties) stuck in a funk..Damn right...Untill we get rid of you all. And we will,,,Don't worry

Posted by: tim at July 19, 2005 08:13 PM (eZhHa)

70 AGAIN I AM GOING TO GET ON MY SOAP BOX....PEOPLE THIS IS NOT A LEFT OR RIGHT ISSUE...THIS IS A HUMAN ISSUE! PLEASE RESPECT THIS YOUNG GIRL WHO WAS BRUTELLY MOLESTED AND DO NOT BRING POLITICS INTO IT...FOR GOD SAKE! I REALLY DON'T THINK BUSH WAS THERE, AND I DON'T THINK THE ACLU WAS RESPONSIBLE. IF YOU HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA TAKE IT TO A POLITICAL ARENA...AND TIM I TOO WAS MOLESTED VERY MUCH THE SAME AS "SYBLE" AND YOU ARE RIGHT...LIFE IS VERY DIFFERENT FOR WE SURVIVORS...BUT WE DO SURVIVE NOW DON'T WE....AND I HAVE LIVED A VERY PRODUCTIVE LIFE...BUT AGAIN PEOPLE ...THIS IS NOT ABOUT LEFT OR RIGHT...IT IS ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING ABOUT A MONSTER AND PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN. HAVING WORKED WITH BOTH VICTIMS AND OFFENDERS I WILL TELL YOU....THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT OFFENDER AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUILTY VICTIM...I BELIEVE WITH MY WHOLE HEART WE NEED TO EXECUITE THE OFFENDER IMMEDIATELY...AND LET GOD SORT IT OUT.

Posted by: jeannie at July 19, 2005 09:20 PM (pO1tP)

71 A few comments. First off, I am a rape survivor. I was raped as a little child by a family member and then at age 9 by a stranger when my younger brother and I were abducted. Fortunately the man did not harm my brother physically and returned us to a place not too far from our home about 10 hours later. The judicial system had dealt with this man prior to him kidnapping my brother and me but released him after he was in a mental hospital for 3 months. When they arrested him for my rape and mayhem , he was again put into a mental hospital. This time for 6 months, after which he was released and he promptly kidnapped, raped, and killed a little girl. Over the years I have learned that pedofiles cannot be changed or 'cured'; chemical castration only works on any sex offender as long as he or she TAKES the medication ROUTINELY and ON SCHEDULE. The desire, no the NEED to rape a child never goes away no matter how much medication, surgery, or therapy is given. How much money should taxpayers be forced to spend to house these people who can never be released into society once again? Why should they live in better conditions than many of the people on the outside with 3 meals a day, a bed,medical care, and a roof over their heads all paid for by our tax dollars? Even if what they get isn't perfect it is better than what many on the outside have. We forget too soon what was done to the victims by these monsters - look at what Shasta will have to live with the rest of her life; her mother, both brothers and her mom's boyfriend killed by this SOB and she actually saw her brother Slade come out of the house with his hands bound,head bashed in & covered with blood, moaning and not knowing where he was or able to respond to her! She was repeatedly raped & molested for days ... a little girl by an adult man. I know what it is to experience that loss of innocense and trust in life. I know the pain and the confusion and it makes me sick inside knowing what she has ahead of her. She will have to relive the whole stinking ordeal in the court room again and face that jackass because the law demands that he be given the chance to face his accuser! BS! That's where the law need to change; he was caught with her in his custody, they have video tapes of him with her in stores, physical evidence of sexual abuse, his blog, his confession, that's enough. Leave her alone. Let him into the General Pop. at Walla Walla State Pen. and see what happens...

Posted by: nursedurkin at July 20, 2005 04:14 AM (av/Bw)

72 By the way, the family member who molested me also molested many members of my family but nothing was ever done about it because "the family will deal with it'. Yea, right. In a pig's eye. He kept it up for as long as he could get away with it, apparently. He apologized to me the week before he died when I was 52 years old and he was 72! He left a long string of victims in the family and I let him I knew it and also let him know his apology was too little, too late.... I had already talked to others in the family and if he had touched one kid that I found out about that was within our states prosecuting time limit I was going to get his butt slammed into jail! None of my cousins had allowed their kids or grandkids to be around him! I wonder why...!?!?!!! But that's the way things were often done back in those days. Makes you wonder what Wally and the Beav were hiding, doesn't it?

Posted by: nursedurkin at July 20, 2005 04:35 AM (xBy8b)

73 Timmy, Timmy, Timmy... Rush Limbaugh, "King of Babble?" But he does it all so well, and with half his brain tied behind his back, at that! Here's the deal... Like you, I can hardly stomach the guy. So we can each give that a big fat "ditto" for the team. Thing is, the guy is factual. As much as I can't stand the guy, I know he's going to put the facts out there. Hey, he does his own spoofing on Republicans now and again, surely you've heard it. The guy can't help that the lefties do more to bury and incriminate themselves than the Republican's do. He just works with what's been handed to him. The guy uses actual soundbites, and reads/quotes from legitimate documents. It's not that second hand pre-fabricated crap like the lefties use. You know the truth about Downing Street, you just won't admit otherwise. You know there is no substance to it; you know full well. You have to. All you have to do is read on the subject to see it. And, how about this challenge. Let's talk about these Republican's that hide behind these guises you speak of, my friend. I'd like to see you rattle off some specifics here. Let's talk about hidden agenda's. Let me hear of these right-wingers that are child molesters or sexual predators. My ears and eyes are open here, Tim, my friend. Start typing...I'm reading. I however, do have a few perverted "lefties" in mind. Let's talk about your boy, cock-nose Clinton for a minute. What kind of legacy did he leave? Hmmm??? How about Kennedy? Boy, he's a winner too, ain't he? Wanna talk about the sexual predators in Washington, do ya? I'm seeing far more on the left than I am on the right, my friend. Most especially your cheating boy Clinton. Look up infidelity in the dictionary. Isn't that he and his woman-eating grin you see in the definition? Tim, I'm thinking it's pretty darn crystal clear that we need to respectfully (and...HELL NO, I'm NOT conceding here!) disagree on this crap, because it's really quite evident how polar we are on the subject. (Hey, how's that for understatement of the year!) Boy, you make me soooo tired!

Posted by: Gwen at July 20, 2005 05:14 AM (dWUhJ)

74 GWEN HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THIS FAMILY AND TAKE YOUR POLITICS TO ANOTHER FORUM...IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT WITH TIM....DO IT ONE ON ONE...HAVE YOU NO CONSIDERATION.

Posted by: jeannie at July 20, 2005 08:48 AM (pO1tP)

75 Gwenny, Gwenny, Gwenny...Go back to sleep,and take Limbaugh with you. Jeanie...Hard not to be political. Consider...Hundreds of Iraqi children (and adults) suffer atrocities as bad as that child sufferd every day. And you never hear about them..Put the perpatrator responsible for that in prison too. Definitly a political statement. Gwenny...Serial killers, Rapists, child molestors who hide behind conservatism..Try Ted Bundy, Green River Killer, and Wayne Gayce (who probly qualifies as a child molestor as many of his victims were under age). These people made a conscious effort to look normal using conservatism as their vehicle.. Go back to sleep Gwenny and Limbaugh

Posted by: tim at July 21, 2005 09:46 AM (eZhHa)

76 Tim; Never heard of Gayce before today. I had to do a little online research to know who you were talking about. I'm only 35, so in the 70's when Gayce was on his raping/killing spree, I was either playing with Barbie dolls, or being the typical sister; busy trying to find a way to get my brother in trouble for something I did. LOL Okay, so I'll give you John Wayne Gayce. From what I've read, the guy played himself off as a conservative, was adored, respected, and somewhat of a social icon in his community. When in reality he certainly was a 100% certifiable nut-case, yet managed to keep covert, those dynamics of his life for several years. (Just thinking out loud here...) I'm interested now, in knowing if Ann Rule wrote a book on this guy. However, my challenge for you was to produce names of those in the big leagues. Those of higher social standing. Good luck. The quantity of names for the left will far exceed the right. Of this I am sure. Just admit it, Tim. The lefties are far more warped, far more hypocritical, and certainly far deeper in the funk, all aspects of life considered. Jeannie, in case you haven't noticed...this indeed is a political site. Had this been a memorial site for the Groene family, then that's a different story. Of course, I wouldn't go into politics if that were the case. Yes, I do have a heart, and yes I do respect the thoughts of others. I think Tim and I have agreed to disagree here. So, no worries Ms. Fife, you can hang your badge up, and pull that bullet from your pistol now.

Posted by: Gwen at July 21, 2005 03:58 PM (dWUhJ)

77 Gwen...If you treat me seriously as a liberal I will do the same to you..Not with the disrespect that people like Rush and many of the other conservatives have in this site and as you started to do earlier. That is much disrespect and is gonna cause big trouble if it keeps up ("right here in river city"((Music Man)). What about Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer..Both big conservatives. Ted was even head of a local republican presdential campaign for Nixon I think. Another one. The guy in Atlanta that killed all those young boys. And how about all the catholic priests...Catholocism is a haven for conservatism, and we all know about their fondness for young boy's. Now you will have a hard time finding these kind of people who are liberals. The ones who aren't conservatives are to disorganized to be identified with any kind of a movement. They genraly break these sociopaths into those two catagories..Organized and unorganized. Prove me wrong..Let's see your list

Posted by: Tim at July 21, 2005 08:05 PM (eZhHa)

78 WELL I SUPPOSE YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING FIT INTO A POLITICAL ARENA IF YOU SO CHOOSE...I THINK BTK FITS UNDER THE CATAGORY OF CONSERVATIVE TOO TIM...NO? REMEMBER HIM GWEN? I AGREE WE NEED TO SUFFER ALL LITTLE PEOPLE...AS FOR THE GUN GWEN..IT REMAINS LOADED AND COCKED READY TO DESTORY ANY ONE WE WOULD ATTEMPT TO HURT ANY PERSON IN MY FAMILY IN THE SAME WAY THIS MAN HAS DONE...I SAY OFF WITH THEIR HEADS IN THE TOWN SQUARE.

Posted by: jeannie at July 21, 2005 09:00 PM (pO1tP)

79 Right on Jeanie...BTK does fit intnis category.. Thanks...What about all those children (and adults) in Iraq tha have suffered just as bad as the little girl here. And what about their perpatrator. And it's not just Sadam Hussein. Let's get political. And you know this part is true.."no one talks about them". It;s like it'e OK for them to die, get maimed and or dis-membered, and probly raped by soldiersm from both sides. (An example of people on the other side getting raped and killed by American soldiers in Vietnamn is the "night Stalker" Richard Ramerez in LA. He learned his craft, killing and raping sodomozing and other unspeakable stuff from a cousin who did those kinbd of things on a regular basis in vietnam).

Posted by: tim at July 22, 2005 09:45 AM (eZhHa)

80 AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY TIM...J

Posted by: JEANNIE at July 24, 2005 11:57 AM (pO1tP)

81 ANYONE WHO ASSAULTS A CHILD NEEDS TO DIE. THEY DONT DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE. THEY ARE ALL SICK FUCKS AND NEED TO BE PUT ON THERE OWN ISLAND SOMEWHERE.

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Evan Kohlmann e-mailed and wants every one to know that al Qaeda in Iraq has claimed the kidnapping of the Egyptian ambassador Ihab Sherif. Evan's post is here. more...

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Kos = Osama bin Laden

So I learn from Charles Johnson, who must have some sort of masochistic tendencies because he spends so much time reading Kos, that the asshole himself decides to compare the religious-right with the Taliban. This in response to Iowahawk's little funny here and Ted Rall's screed in which he calls Ward Churchill a patriot (he must mean patriotism in the same way that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were patriots). Idiotic on a scale I haven't seen since 8th grade debate. Hitler was a vegetarian, you are a vegetarian, therefore you're a lot like Hitler! Nice. Anyway, most of the lunatics on the Left who believe this stuff have must be slippery slope retarded, equating, for instance the religious-right's school voucher dreams to the madrassas run by the Taliban.

In the spirit of Kos' logic, I present to you the reasons why Kos and his Leftist friends have more in common with the enemy than they think.

Religious Practice
Al Qaida/Taliban: We tolerate you as long as you practice in private
Kos Leftist Taliban: We tolerate you as long as you practice in private
The Right: Religion can be practiced anywhere, including public spaces

Religious Freedom
Al Qaida/Taliban: Forbidden in Koran
Kos Leftist Taliban: Forbidden in Constitution
The Right: Inherent part of Christianity

Church State Relations
Al Qaida/Taliban: The religion of the State is Islam
Kos Leftist Taliban: The religion of the State is Atheism
The Right: no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Equal Rights
Al Qaida/Taliban: Different punishments depending on sex
Kos Leftist Taliban: Different punishments depending on race
The Right: Equality before the law

Freedom of Speech
Al Qaida/Taliban: No
Kos Leftist Taliban: Ok, as long as you, you know, don't offend anybody.
The Right: Ok, as long as you don't incite to violence or criminal acts

Terrorist States
Al Qaida/Taliban: Good
Kos Leftist Taliban: Not any worse than U.S.
The Right: The enemy

Terrorists
Al Qaida/Taliban: Freedom fighters for Allah and against Imperialism
Kos Leftist Taliban: Freedom fighters against U.S. Imperialism
The Right: The enemy

Religious Law
Al Qaida/Taliban: Koran and Sharia only source of law
Kos Leftist Taliban: Religious law is ok in other countries because it's their culture
The Right: Secular governments for all countries

Human Rights
Al Qaida/Taliban: Human rights are a Western construct
Kos Leftist Taliban: Human rights are a Western construct and only applicable to Western countries
The Right: Human rights are universal

Blame America
Al Qaida/Taliban: Blame America first
Kos Leftist Taliban: Blame America first, ask questions later
The Right: Give America benefit of doubt

Versions of Events
Al Qaida/Taliban: When facts are in dispute, believe terrorist version
Kos Leftist Taliban: When facts are in dispute, believe terrorist version
The Right: When facts are in dispute, believe U.S. soldier's version

Torture
Al Qaida/Taliban: Good if we do it, bad if you do it
Kos Leftist Taliban: Bad if we do it--because we're the only ones that do it--oh, and every time you feel uncomfortable that's torture.
The Right: Bad, but most of what passes as torture is not actual torture.

One World Government
Al Qaida/Taliban: Support a one world government (caliphate)
Kos Leftist Taliban: Support one world government (UN)
The Right: Supports present nation-state system of sovereignty

Child Molestation
Al Qaida/Taliban: Ok, just marry her first (Aisha)
Kos Leftist Taliban: Hey, kids are sexual beings too
The Right: Immoral and disgusting

I guess two can play at this game, eh? Any other suggestions?

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Religious Symbols:
Al Qaida/Taliban: non-Islamic religious symbols must be destroyed (i.e. those Buddist statues in Afghanistan)
Kos Leftist Taliban: non-Islamic religious symbols must be destroyed and defaced, preferably with public funds.
The Right: All religious symbols are OK, even if displayed on public property like a park or courthouse.

Related from Ace.

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1 "Clap-clap-clap" Rusty, that's the best post I've seen in a long time. What makes it so good is that it is spot on. I have only one negative thing to say about it. I'm jealous, and wish I had thought about it first! Proves once again how dumb those dKos kids are. Kos Kids, Rusty has shown you up again. Rusty, it's just too easy.

Posted by: jihad in the west at July 05, 2005 01:20 PM (DDXXI)

2 Rusty bows in your general direction....

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 05, 2005 01:30 PM (JQjhA)

3 MEDIA Al Qaida/Taliban: Yo CBS, ABC, NPR Kos Leftist Taliban: Yo CBS, ABC, NPR The Right: Talk Radio, Internet, Fox

Posted by: Plato at July 05, 2005 01:37 PM (DfYYv)

4 I would amend the Freedom of Speech section to read as such: Freedom of Speech Al Qaida/Taliban: No Kos Leftist Taliban: Ok, as long as you, you know, don't offend anyone other than conservative Christians. The Right: Ok, as long as you don't incite to violence or criminal acts I would add: Religious Symbols: Al Qaida/Taliban: non-Islamic religious symbols must be destroyed (i.e. those Buddist statues in Afghanistan) Kos Leftist Taliban: non-Islamic religious symbols must be destroyed and defaced, preferably with public funds. The Right: All religious symbols are OK, even if displayed on public property like a park or courthouse.

Posted by: Mark at July 05, 2005 01:39 PM (F3Ojg)

5 I think that both you and Kos have a point- that is that the extreme branches of the lefties and the righties are somewhat irrational extremists. Being such, comparisons can easily be made with other irrational extremists, including the Taliban. The bigger problem that I see, is that by screaming the loudest the extremists in both parties have drowned the majority American voice. The common sense approach is just not inflammatory enough to make good news, and extremists are always motivated shout louder. The fact of the matter is, most 'liberals' are not screaming nutters any more than most 'conservatives' are. Nor does either the Moral Minority or the religious fundamentalist movement speak for the bulk of Christian Americans. Reading sites like Kos is good only for providing fuel for parody.

Posted by: T'am Gu Ja at July 05, 2005 02:15 PM (FCxvJ)

6 And then theres that whole Eco-Taliban Leftist anti-human tilt, returning to a 12th Century "State of Nature"...

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at July 05, 2005 03:21 PM (hgd/M)

7 bravo!!! Dr.Rusty....you hit it right on the head....i checked out Kos's reranged site and i couldnt take too much, as it either made me laugh till my sides hurt or made me angry as hell to think that their are Americans who hate the US so much and feel it is their right to make us all like them or die, more or less they are as bad as the Islamic terrorists

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 05, 2005 04:02 PM (efQfG)

8 So, by your statements you would be cool with Muslim iconography in courthouses, maybe a copy of the Koran or Shiara law right above the judge? Maybe a Buddha in the waiting room and a Wiccan symbol by the water fountain? It is all or nothing guys- thus the seperation.

Posted by: Max at July 05, 2005 04:32 PM (HFKAk)

9 Guja, you completely missed Rusty's point. And to compare him to that fool Kos, please apologize, now. Kos is as extreme as it gets. He is the extreme left. And to compare the extreme right in this country to the Taliban puts you in the same wagon with the Kossacks. You better jump out, quick!

Posted by: jihad in the west at July 05, 2005 05:04 PM (DDXXI)

10 "It is all or nothing guys- thus the seperation." No, it isn't, although I will grant that certain groups are trying to turn it into that. US history is chock full of religous expression and symbolism, much of it as part of governmental expression, and nothing that is done now can change that.

Posted by: Defense Guy at July 05, 2005 05:14 PM (lVjfM)

11 I think that both you and Kos have a point- that is that the extreme branches of the lefties and the righties are somewhat irrational extremists. Being such, comparisons can easily be made with other irrational extremists, including the Taliban. To an extent, you have a point. Extremists are, by definition, well, extreme. Problems arise when we start talking about defining what actually constitute extremism, and how unbalanced the standards are. If I were to tell you that I'm a Born Again Christian who believes that abortion is the taking of a human life, and should be limited to cases where the fetus isn't viable or the mother's life is at risk, suddenly I'm a "Fundie" and an "Extremist Evangelical Rightie", and I'm being compared and contrasted with people who advocate death by stoning for the sin of showing a little skin. What's happening is you're describing different groups with the same term and then defining the term by the most extreme example, and suddenly any group who's been marked with that term is suddenly accused of the behavior of that extreme example. Now, if you're willing to define the term up front, and THEN compare that definition to any given group of people to see if they fit it, that would be different. But I've yet to meet anyone on the left who's willing to define a term and then stick to that definition when it no longer suits their rhetorical purposes.

Posted by: Brian B at July 05, 2005 05:23 PM (CouWh)

12 Heh. That Human Rights one is interesting... wasn't that long ago that the lefties believed human rights were universal, even a couple of UN treaties on the matter.

Posted by: KG at July 05, 2005 05:26 PM (2GcnX)

13 For the record, I wouldn't mind muslim or buddhist iconography in a courtroom. I wouldn't. Although "all or nothing" is nonsense thinking, I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to put that up.

Posted by: Dean Esmay at July 05, 2005 06:16 PM (Fs6IG)

14 Posted by: KG at July 5, 2005 05:26 PM "That Human Rights one is interesting... wasn't that long ago that the lefties believed human rights were universal, even a couple of UN treaties on the matter." That was the story when we needed allies in the cold war (re: a strong universalist human rights policy would have hurt our interests / security). Want to predict which side the left will take? Calculate which position will hurt the US.... simple as that... I apply that yardstick to any issue and it bats 1000. PS As soon as the cold war ended, we sold out the dictators we had tolerated...

Posted by: Thomas at July 05, 2005 09:54 PM (sI8aV)

15 T'am Gu Ja is the classic "mediator" type personality. One who "becomes absorbed with what other people are thinking". For them "life is overlaid with other people's ideas". Having such an acute ability to see the views of the other side causes one to be unable to formulate an opinion of their own and the issue of right and wrong becomes cloudy because they give equal weight to each argument. They lose moral compass and remain the one in the middle regardless of the extreme on either side. Being the one in the middle morally is not the same as being in the middle politically. Frankly, I don't WANT to "understand" why they think the way they do (Kos & company). I plainly see the differences as Rusty so eloquently posted. The "right" that he portrays in each instance is not extreme, yet draws a definate line in the sand between what's right and what's wrong.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 06:56 AM (YudAC)

16 I'm sorry, I meant to give credit above. The italics are quotes from a study by Helen Palmer on personality types.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 06:58 AM (YudAC)

17 It is unfortunately correct that I spend a fair amount of my time as a mediator. Part of my job. It is very unusual for me to be described as being without an opinion, though. Usually, it is more the other way. I was more making a comment about the ultimate futility of attempting to identify either political party based upon a few superficial 'common' traints. I think Rusty was dead on with this as his post was an appropriately sarcastic parody. I am unconvinced that the same could be said about Kos. As for the inability to clearly define terms and labels- I was just using the labels that have already been accepted into the argument. If you don't like the labels, talk to the politicos who tossed them out. For my own sake, I prefer calling a thing what it is. If abortion involves killing a person who has not commited a crime, then it is murder- same as if a terrorist kills someone who is innocent of a crime. Abortion is a clinical term and belongs in that realm. Execution is the domain of states and mobsters. Yada yada yada. Politics and press are rife with terms that are inaccurate and spun for effect. Goes with the territory. And I resent the implication that I am a Liberal. I am stubbornly independent and reserve my right to comment about, observe, and mock anybody in the political realm as I see fit. I do, of course, expect such treatment in return- it is what we call fair play. That is why I appreciate the humour and insight of the good Rusty S.

Posted by: T'am Gu Ja at July 06, 2005 12:11 PM (FCxvJ)

18 Outstanding. Wish I'd thought of it.

Posted by: Slublog at July 06, 2005 12:12 PM (VaL8O)

19 Jawa = Hitler

Posted by: Leftistm = Stupid Comparisons at July 06, 2005 12:23 PM (Gi7oA)

20 Good stuff. Unfortunately, yours was a parody, and they were being serious. Oh well.

Posted by: Steve at July 06, 2005 01:08 PM (KMzyz)

21 I'm with Dean, I couldn't care less if there were Muslim or Buddhist, etc. iconography in a courtroom. It's presence doesn't infringe on my ability to worship Jesus in the least. However, when the police come to remove said iconography, I worry that if this Christian decides to run for public office I will be forced to behave like an atheist. I wouldn't dream of forcing Muslim public servant to behave like a Hindu, so don't try to make the Christian public servant behave like an atheist.

Posted by: Masked MenaceÂ© at July 06, 2005 05:32 PM (ISV0b)

22 T'am Gu Ja: I never impiled you were a liberal. Maybe I missed another comment saying so. I only found it interesting that you would see that Kos "[had] a point". I fail to see the point without stretching the limits of justification nearly to the breaking point (or even beyond). I'm not a "black and white" person myself, but will simply not go so far as to compromise my core beliefs. I, too, have spent a good part of my life being the mediator. It's not place I cose to stay. Usually, a good outcome means no one is happy. I finally had to decide to be happy myself. "I am stubbornly independent and reserve my right to comment about, observe, and mock anybody in the political realm as I see fit." Good on ya. Me too.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 07:39 PM (YudAC)

23 "chose". I can spell, really.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 07:49 PM (YudAC)

24 Well, if it's just funnin' around, may as well get silly... Nutrition Al Qaida/Taliban: Halal meals as prescribed by the Koran. Kos Leftist Taliban: Vegetarian dishes as prescribed by PETA. The Right: Steak. Medium-rare. Screw what the doc says. Views on Jews and Israel Al Qaida/Taliban: Sons of pigs and dogs! They are the Little Satan! We must fight for our brothers in Palestine! Kos Leftist Taliban: G*d damned neocons! We're in thrall to the Israeli lobby in Washington! We must protest for the Palestinians! The Right: Well, they ARE the Chosen People. My neighbor's Jewish. Nice family. What the hell is the Palestinians' problem? Views on Girls Al Qaida/Taliban: This sweet, little girl will one day grow up to become a devil and tempter of men. Kos Leftist Taliban: This sweet, little girl will one day grow up to become a man. Or transgendered. Or something. The Right: This sweet, little girl will one day grow up to become a woman. Personal Appearance and Hygiene Al Qaida/Taliban: Never shave, long flowing beards and hair, infrequent bathing, skullcaps. Kos Leftist Taliban: Never shave, long flowing beards and hair, infreaquent bathing, beads and sandals purchased at a Dead and/or Phish show (depending on age). The Right: Clean shaven, freshly bathed, ready for a job interview. I know, silly. :-)

Posted by: Squatch at July 06, 2005 08:57 PM (2Swtu)

25 Whoops, got one more: Regarding Canada Al Qaida/Taliban: Loose borders, multicultural society? Let's move some of our guys in! Kos Leftist Taliban: Loose borders, mulitcultural society? Great place for U.S. citizens to flee from the fascism to go to! The Right: Canada was our ally in WWII and Korea. WTF happened to those guys? Oh, wait. They're multicultural now. Better guard the borders...

Posted by: Squatch at July 06, 2005 10:36 PM (2Swtu)

26 Squatch: You didn't mean to, but you hit the nail on the head. Yes Canada was our ally in ww1, ww2, Korea, Viet nam. So what is the difference between Canada then and Canada now? Go up and pay them a visit as I did. It's easy to see that the population has changed. You call it multicultural. I call it the death of a nation. We'll see. Canada is full of hateful assholes from Muslim backward assed countries. Canada is stupid to allow their population to change so quickly. It takes time to assimulate these treacherous, backward, third world muslims into a modern society. Please note that Canada isn't experiencing problems with the asian (mostly Chinese) or Russians immigrants. ONLY THE STUPID ASSED MUSLIMS. Canada would do well if they considered expatriation as a means of saving their country the pain it will soon experience.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 09, 2005 10:57 PM (CBNGy)

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Rosenburg Grandaughter Defends Terrorists

The granddaughter of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg is now calling for the release of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Ironical.

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Jihadis in Canada and Reader Love Mail

It looks like we had a denial of service attack this morning on the mu.nu domain--and trackbacks may be down for awhile while it it taken care of. Do you think it might have been 'Jake' who I traced to Burlington, Ontario, Canada?

fuck all americans there fucking stupid all of them i know iraq will lose but the holy war has just begain every country i know hates america one day america will fall and the american flag will burn HA HA HA HA allahs army is coming and soon all americans will burn in hell BITCH!!!!

On a related theme, Chad Evans notes that there are at least 50 terrorist organizations active in Canada--including al Qaeda.

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Chirac Insults Everybody

It was giggles and belly laughs as French President Jacques Chirac entertained his dinner companions, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Russian President Vladimir Putin, with insults directed toward the British. Yuck-yuck! Unfortunately, their private conversation was recorded by a journalist and published.

From the UK Telegraph:

Anglo-French tensions heightened last night after Jacques Chirac delivered a series of insults to Britain as London and Paris fought to secure the 2012 Olympic Games and faced fresh disagreement at the G8 summit.
The president, chatting to the German and Russian leaders in a Russian cafe, said: "The only thing [the British] have ever given European farming is mad cow." Then, like generations of French people before him, he also poked fun at British cuisine.

They must be rolling on the floor on Downing Street. Old Jacques wasn't through, though.

"You can't trust people who cook as badly as that," he said. "After Finland, it's the country with the worst food."

What did the Finnish do to old Jacques? Would it be appropriate to suggest that he pretty much hates anything that's not French? But wait, there's more.

"But what about hamburgers?" said Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, referring to America.
"Oh no, hamburgers are nothing in comparison," Mr Chirac said.
Mr Putin and Gerhard Schroeder, the German chancellor, laughed. Mr Chirac then recalled how George Robertson, the former Nato secretary general and a former defence secretary in Tony Blair's Cabinet, had once made him try an "unappetising" Scottish dish, apparently meaning haggis.
"That's where our problems with Nato come from," he said.
Mr Schroeder and Mr Putin laughed again.

My gut hurts. Jacques, you're killing me. France opposes NATO because you were asked to try haggis. Hey, don't give this guy any Rocky Mountain Oysters. He'll start a war.

The fact that Chirac jokes about NATO by making a correlation between foreign policy and the lunch menu provides some explanation why even Chirac's own people are less and less fond of him. If I were French, I'd be embarrassed by Chirac's statements and then I'd emigrate.

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1 Saw an interview from 1994? with Sandra Day O'Connor on Booknotes/C-span. She grew up on a cattle ranch in Arizona. She said that if you coat mountain oysters in bread crumbs and fry them they are quite tasty. Wonder if Jacque would approve?

Posted by: jack at July 05, 2005 09:22 AM (B54dL)

2 I noticed that no other news agency is touching this. Replace "Chirac" with "Bush". Wonder if it'd get picked up then?

Posted by: j.d. at July 05, 2005 09:28 AM (9/aPS)

3 LMAO! To be perfectly honest, I thought that was pretty funny! Notice how Putin then attempts to bait him even further by asking him "what about hamburgers?" But Chirac is too kind goes after haggis instead.

Posted by: Carlos at July 05, 2005 09:37 AM (8e/V4)

4 Come on...you gotta have a sense of humor. Anyone who doesn't find this funny needs to lighten up! I mean he didn't even touch on English people's crooked yellow teeth, or that common fetal alcohol syndrome look our fish and chips crowd have. You know what? English food DOES suck!! I've been there and will confirm this! French food is amazing on the other hand, so there is some truth in the joke after all. Plus, everyone picks on the French. They are the source of most of our common jokes, so who cares if Chirac thumbs his quiche covered nose at a bunch of pasty limeys eating deep fried crap out of recycled newspaper. Good for him!

Posted by: osamabeenhiding at July 05, 2005 11:24 AM (klOV8)

5 osama: try keeping up with the times, selling fish & chips wrapped in newspaper is not allowed. because of health laws. unlike America the U.K tends to care more about health & hygiene in food. Most places may use clean paper with "fake" newsprint for that authentic feel.

Posted by: dave at July 05, 2005 11:31 AM (fsJ2z)

6 I agree, Osama. (And hamburgers are German, no?) I say it's a tiny flash of healthy nationalism of sorts. No big deal.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 05, 2005 11:34 AM (x+5JB)

7 Like SNAILS,/i> are God's gift to gastronomy? And force-feeding a damn duck until it's liver explodes is haute-elegant? Pleeze, try the cheeze - it smells like ze cow's renal fluidz. Coq-au-van is nothing more than stewed chicken, not even bar-b-que - sheesh.

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at July 05, 2005 11:53 AM (hgd/M)

8 FYI- the Finish quip arrises from Italy's Berlesconi (sp?). He got in trouble a few weeks ago saying that the Finish have the worst food in Europe, after he tried some venison or something. So there he is bringing up an issue in the form of a joke that he knew got another head of stae in trouble- nitwit.

Posted by: Max at July 05, 2005 12:25 PM (HFKAk)

9 Man, I can't believe anyone would defend English food! Dave...when I had it it was in real newspaper and I wanted to gag, but not after I realized if I kept chewing I'd have a instant heart attack. YBP: Healthy indeed. Keith: Dude, if you're going to pick on the methods of French food preparation, get your ass to a local slaughterhouse. Or better yet, visit a fucking chicken farm and see how nice the USA is to our food sources. A little Monsanto can go a long way as well...so keep drinking your laced milk. If you're going to say a hot-dog isn't gross compared to Escargot, maybe you prefer eating pig lips and assholes? I'm also not saying ALL French food is good...but most of it is amazing. Don't choke on your "freedom fries" and expand your cuisine a bit. There are plenty of amazing foods out there, regardless of your politics or faux-PETA stance...

Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at July 05, 2005 12:53 PM (klOV8)

10 Actually, I've heard most conservative Republicans should stay away from pretzels...can anyone confirm this?

Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at July 05, 2005 12:55 PM (klOV8)

11 As someone whom possesses several British H&H certificates myself, I get more nervous being in an American fast food resturant than I would eating in Britain. Here is a list of things that are enforced in the U.K that are not here: 1. complete ban of wooden cutting blocks, and preparation equipment with wooden handles (germs) 2. Color coordinated knives and cutting boards to stop cross contamination of food, White = Diary, Yellow = Cooked Meat, Red = Raw Meat, Blue = Fish, Green = Vegatables. (my vegetarian friend was at a Subway, when they cut his sub with the same knife as one they used for cutting meat which defeats the purpose) 3. All people preparing food must wear hair nets, and a hat and also a clean apron (prefably disposable) people serving food wear disposable gloves, all food handlers must pass at least Basic H&H exam. 4. code enforcement on exposed pipes (condensation drips dirt) cracked floor/wall tiles (breeds germs), metallic cutting surfaces etc. 5. Vegetables and food goods stored at least 6" off the floor on raised platforms. I wish they would enact some of that into Law here, just looking at the food prep areas through a fast food resturant window here is enough for me to stop and buy bismuth just in case!

Posted by: dave at July 05, 2005 01:21 PM (fsJ2z)

12 Sorry I blew my italics; To make coq au vin you start with a miripoix, that's carrots celery and onion, with a boquet garni once those have wilted. Normally you use a capon, that's French for an old rooster - they're tough thus the long cooking time and the half bottle of wine (or more) as a tenderizer. I know how to cook French food, and Italian, and Indian - And I have eaten escargot - you should try my osso bucco or shrimp curry. The French are simply not immune from food-choice criticism. Some hotdogs, if you know which ones to choose, are made entirely from beef brisket - not a collection if lips and other parts - US food preparation and production has come quite a ways since the writings of life-long Socialist Party cadre Upton Sincalir.

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at July 05, 2005 03:35 PM (hgd/M)

13 hey now, ive been to England, for 2 weeks on my honeymoon and i and my wife enjoyed the English food we had there....yes, we did have some other ethnic food as well such as Italian and American but most of the food we did have was of English origin....French food???...ive had it and i wasnt impressed one fucking bit...the French have only that and wine going for them????...thats why these assholes are so high and mighty???...please...far as im concerned, Italian food is much better than something French covered in so much sauce, i havent a clue what it even is...no thanks.....Chirac needs to get a new personality instead ofd being such a rude asshole all the time...acts like he has a broomstick stuck up his ass.....and being that the French are the least liked people in Europe, i wonder how the French people feel about their tightass brave leader, who constantly makes them all{ the French people} look so bad

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 05, 2005 03:43 PM (efQfG)

14 Give me toast over croissants any day...French food is about as solid and wholesome as their military history. All talk and no bottle.

Posted by: Jester at July 05, 2005 05:19 PM (QKZX5)

15 Croissants originated in Austria, to celebrate victory over the Ottoman Turks, who had beseiged Vienna.

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at July 05, 2005 06:43 PM (hgd/M)

16 Hahaha: "i wonder how the French people feel about their tightass brave leader, who constantly makes them all{ the French people} look so bad" THANO, replace the word "French" with "American"!

Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at July 05, 2005 07:34 PM (fLj+Q)

17 Croissants originated in Austria, to celebrate victory over the Ottoman Turks, who had beseiged Vienna. Well I never knew that. Seems like the French can't even take credit for the staple of their breakfast table. I do admire their arrogance though..fancy thinking French is a more significant language than English for example.

Posted by: Jester at July 05, 2005 08:45 PM (QKZX5)

18 I predict "Old Europe" will be at war with each other again before too long. Hope the French and Germans have a trained military before that happens.

Posted by: opine6 at July 06, 2005 05:31 AM (YyWmH)

19 Rocky Mountain oysters, eh? Ah, my cousins give so freely of their lives for the pleasure of others. The French have created some of the best sauces in the world, but they were originally created simply to cover the taste of the rancid meat they were eating in the days before refrigeration. Likewise their perfume. It was invented to cover their body odor. Only problem is - there have always been baths.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 07:19 AM (YudAC)

20 Jacques has a distressingly good point. I'm a brit, and I don't like our food much either. 'Cept for fish'n'chips, which (when properly done) are the most gorgeous thing on earth.

Posted by: James A. at July 06, 2005 10:02 AM (U4bBP)

21 Say what you will about the English, Monsieur Jacques, but.... "London was awarded the 2012 Olympics on Wednesday, defeating European rival Paris in the final round of voting to bring the games to the British capital for the first time since 1948." (www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1120616707566) NO OLYMIPICS FOR YOU!!! ...you sophisticated raciste perdant, you!. Maybe you can get Jacques Kerry to console you by massaging votre joues endolories de bout. After all, what ARE friends for, eh?

Posted by: coup-de-pied dans le pantalon at July 06, 2005 12:51 PM (2vX1h)

22 Say what you will about the English, Monsieur Jacques, but.... "London was awarded the 2012 Olympics on Wednesday, defeating European rival Paris in the final round of voting to bring the games to the British capital for the first time since 1948." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1120616707566 NO OLYMIPICS FOR YOU!!! ...you sophisticated raciste perdant, you!. Maybe you can get Jacques Kerry to console you by massaging votre joues endolories de bout. After all, what ARE friends for, eh?

Posted by: coup-de-pied dans le pantalon at July 06, 2005 12:59 PM (o5z2M)

23 Say what you will about the English, Monsieur Jacques, but.... "London was awarded the 2012 Olympics on Wednesday, defeating European rival Paris in the final round of voting to bring the games to the British capital for the first time since 1948." (www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1120616707566) ON OLYMIPICS FOR YOU, you sophisticated racist looser!.

Posted by: coup-de-pied dans le pantalon at July 06, 2005 12:59 PM (o5z2M)

24 OOPS! Sorry for repeats. Kept getting odd error msgs., (saying things were wrong, when they apparently weren't) indicating post not accepted. I'll only hit button once from now on, really.

Posted by: embarassed at July 06, 2005 01:03 PM (o5z2M)

25 Hey Finn, if youÂ’re out there, check this out; "You can't trust people who cook as badly as that," he said. "After Finland, it's the country with the worst food."Â…Chirac What the heck do you guys eat in Finland anyway? Is it really just venison, eel and herring every day?

Posted by: Brad at July 06, 2005 01:39 PM (3OPZt)

26 Finn's busy "fishing, drinking and working his "summer job"" so he can afford some French food.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 07:46 PM (YudAC)

27 Wait till he goes into the Army. If food in Finland is the worst in Europe, Finnish MREÂ’s must really suck.

Posted by: Brad at July 07, 2005 01:16 PM (3OPZt)

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The Nightly News with Ron Burgendy and Brian Williams

The problem, Brian, is not that you equated our Founding Father's with terrorists, it is that you equated terrorists with our Founding Fathers. The first is disgustingly stupid, the second is stupidly disgusting. The fact that you can't see what the distinction is and think we're just not getting your point reveals you have the intellect of a third grader. In the future, please refrain from saying anything not on the cue cards. That's what you're paid for.

Williams:

While I insist that a re-reading of my question will prove that in no way was I calling the framers "terrorists" (for starters, the word did not exist 229 years ago), I regret that anyone thought that after a life spent reading and loving American history, I had suddenly changed my mind about the founders of our nation.

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1 Where is every one today? You'd think it was,like, a holiday or something...

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 04, 2005 04:49 PM (JQjhA)

2 We should all be thankful for people like Howard Dean, Brian Williams, Dick Durbin, etc. for pointing out to us just how incredibly stupid we are when we don't agree with them. /sarcasm

Posted by: BorgQueen at July 04, 2005 05:28 PM (AxlwF)

3 Honestly, it goes beyond disagreeing with them-- these people are just plain stupid.

Posted by: Carlos at July 04, 2005 05:38 PM (8e/V4)

4 Why didn't he go with the standard MO that he was taken out of "context." I am so sick of these fill in the blank. I guess the good thing is at least we know where they stand? So much for the NASCAR, blue collar, apple pie image he was going for. Just like Little Russ he is just a moral relativist, left winger at heart. In the words of Kos screw him!

Posted by: bags75 at July 04, 2005 08:33 PM (leItU)

5 Hold your horses, guys! Brian hasn't figured out yet that the good old days for legacy media are over. He still thinks he can say just about anything he wants to without there being any repercussions. He forgot about Eason Jordan, Dickie Durbin, Ward Churchill, and all his other buddies who also found out the hard way that the good ole days are over. OVER!!!!!!! Now the average citizen can find out about almost everything on the internet. Thank you, Al Gore! For the internet! Oh, crap, he got in trouble, too, for lying. Is everything bad that happened in the past going to come back good? Heh!

Posted by: jihad in the west at July 04, 2005 10:34 PM (DDXXI)

6 After gunning down and torching another wasp's nest, I wondered maybe I was being a bit of a meany. Brian Williams didn't say anything bad - I actually used an encyclopedia and found that America's rebellion was illegal, and in the eyes of the British, treason! In their eyes, July 4 is a day of treason!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 05, 2005 05:49 AM (ScqM8)

7 BUSH LIES - you listen up punk and you listen good. I know you slimy bastard are out there reading this in your desert hideaway. You are a maggot-minded no good, lying poser. You're reading this.. I know it. I can smell the old rancid socks lying on your kitchen table. I'm MADDER THAN HELL - SHOW YOURSELF!!!!!!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 05, 2005 07:14 AM (ScqM8)

8 First off, I hope you all had a wonderful holiday and hope it was spent with loved ones. Secondly, I'm worried about DSM. He seems obssessed with BL-SD. Someone get him a valium. Thirdly, if "terror" were a word back in the revolutionary days, then I'm pretty sure that "terrorist" was. That was really dumb. Fourth, if Brian williams reports news, then after this tourette's syndrome-like outburst, I'm inclined to believe he probably doesn't watch the news or he wouldn't be surprised at the backlash.

Posted by: Oyster at July 05, 2005 07:24 AM (YudAC)

9 Downing Street: What he said was stupid. The moral equivalence he imputed is repugnant. The people he referred to would not dream of conducting themselves in the manner of whoever that Iranian terrorist is. The British would hardly feel the same about the colonists, either. Revolutionaries the colonists were, but certainly not terrorists. That had to wait for the French Revolution. I am quite sure the British considered the French revolutionaries terrorists, as that is what they were. The Americans were never thought of in that way, because the colonists were not trying to eliminate the social order, as the French were.

Posted by: jihad in the west at July 05, 2005 11:42 AM (DDXXI)

10 No comparison.

Posted by: Jonathan at July 05, 2005 12:38 PM (M7kiy)

11 Rusty ... your trackbacks is malfunctioning ... I was going to trackback a relevant post of mine from a few days ago ... : /

Posted by: Jonathan at July 05, 2005 12:43 PM (M7kiy)

12 Jonathan, Yeah, sorry. Probably will be out all day!

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 05, 2005 01:32 PM (JQjhA)

13 I like how he, like Dickless Durbin, is sorry not for the monumentally idiotic things he said, but that we might have been offended by them. It's like telling someone you're sorry that their mother is a whore. These talking heads should all be chopped off and mounted on pikes.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 06, 2005 07:53 PM (0yYS2)

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Iraq Terrorists Join Forces

Al Jazeera reports that the Islamic Army of Iraq and the Mujahidin Army of Iraq have appointed a common spokeperson for the two groups. These two groups are active in hostage taking. It was the Islamic Army in Iraq that was responsible for the downing of a civilian helicopter in April and the subsequent videotaped murder of an unarmed and wounded Bulgarian pilot named Lyubomir Kostov [story, images, and links to video here]. The Mujahidin Army was, up until now, thought to be associated with ex-Baathist and Arab nationalist elements. Their propganda videos tend to have high production value, are sometimes in English, and tend to cater to capturing support from elements in the West.

This may be a rhetorical question, but if the reporter for al Jazeera knew where to find the terrorist spokesman, then why is he not in U.S. or Iraqi custody now? The time is long past due that the U.S. bombs the headquarters of al Jazeera.

Two armed groups in Iraq, known for fighting US-led forces and their capture of foreigners including journalists, have appointed a joint spokesperson.
The new spokesperson for the Islamic Army in Iraq and Jaish al-Mujahidin, Dr Ibrahim Yusuf al-Shimmari, told Aljazeera that the decision comes in the context of the groups' plans to implement a political programme and be politically recognised.
"It is most appropriate for the two groups to unite and appoint a media spokesman," said al-Shimmari, "due to the escalating amount of persons who claim to speak on behalf of the resistance and adopt political projects that do not serve the resistance."
This is the first step in the implementation of the groups' plan to unite, added al-Shimmari. "Other steps will follow soon."

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U.S. Forces Nab Two More al Qaeda in Iraq Leaders

Not bad for a 'quagmire'. ADNKI:

The doctor of one of al-Qaeda's groups in Iraq was arrested by US troops during a raid carried out on June 21 in Baghdad, the US military has revealed in a statement published on the website 'Voice of Iraq'. Muhsin Abu Sayf, defined in the statement as "the doctor who treated the hostages kidnapped by the terror group led by the Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other bands."
Abu Sayf is said to speak English well and was therefore given the task of interrogating the hostages. According to the statement "he worked alongside Abu Aqil, a local al-Qaeda leader arrested several weeks ago, who led the kidnapping activities in Baghdad."
Abu Aqil, whose real name is Sami Amar Hamid Mahmoud, has overseen the kidnappings of numerous Iraqis and foreigners in the Baghdad area. Arrested on June 26, he used kidnapping to fund al-Qaeda's activities, and the doctor, Abu Sayf, is said to have played a central role in the hostage operation, collecting the ransom money and delivering it to the terror group.

Albabwa:

Meanwhile, US forces arrested last month an Al-Qaeda member in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, a statement for the Multi-National Forces said Monday.
The US forces arrested Tunisian national, Emad Nasser Ahmad, known as Abu Hamza during a raid in Mosul, the statement added.
According to the statement, Abu Hamza is responsible for bringing to Iraq Arab "militants" and sheltering over 100 suicide bombers to carry out their attacks in Mosul.

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Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's 4th of July Message

Iowahawk has the exclusive.

If nothing else, the Fourth of July should prompt all Americans, whether they are an infidel fornicating whore-woman in a Miami strip club or a fresh-faced enlistee in a secret Prague martyr cell, to reflect on the true meaning of Â‘patriotism.Â’ To me, patriotism is not some empty flag-waving gesture, or spouting jingoistic slogans. To me, dissent is the real patriotism. And what could be more patriotic than the ultimate in dissent Â– bloody jihad against the kufr and their heretic puppets in Baghdad?

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Hostages in Iraq

Here is a list of hostages in Iraq I have compiled from various sources. Dozens of others are also missing, but we have no information as to their names. On this day that we remember our liberty, let us not forget those who's liberty has been taken from them.

USA
Roy Hallums Nov 1 2004
Radim Sadiq (aka, Dean Sadik) Nov 2 2004
Jeffrey Ake April 11 2005
Tim Bell April 9 2004

CANADA
Mohammed Rifat April 8, 2004

BRAZIL
Joao Jose Vasconcelos Jr. Jan 19

EGYPT
Ihab el-Sherif July 2
Sayed Abdel KhalekJan 13
Nabil Tawfiq Sulaiman March 19
Mitwali Mohammed Qassem March 19

TURKEY
Ali Abdullah June 7

LEBANON
Ghazi Abu Hamzeh Nov 13
Mustafa Abdul-Rassul Hussein Aug 8, 2005

JORDAN
Wael Mamduh April 12
Khalifa al-Breizat Sept 14

KUWAIT
Saad Saadoun June 5

SOMALIA
Ali Ahmed Mousa July 29

SUDAN
Noureddin Zakaria Oct 30
Mohammed Haroun Hamad March 9
Maher Ataya March 9

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Egyptian Ambassador Taken Hostage; Israel Blamed

The first Arab ambassador to Iraq is abducted and taken hostage. The types of demands made for his release will depend on which group took the Egyptian ambassador.

The fact that it was the Egyptian ambassador increases the probability that the terrorist group responsible is a nationalist one rather than a Salafist Islamist one. Why? Because Egypt is run by an Arab Socialist party with strong ties to the Baathism of Saddam Hussein and Syria.

It should be remembered that the short-lived great Baathist experiment of a unified greater Arab nation was the unification of Syria and Egypt under the banner of the UAR between 1958-1961. That Egypt would be the first Arab nation to upgrade its diplomatic mission in Iraq to sending a full ambassador may be seen as a betrayal of one Arab Socialist state against another.

If such is the case, there is a chance that Ihab Sherif will be found alive. On the other hand, if one of the Islamist terror organizations such as Ansar al-Sunna (not likely since the group rarely operates in Baghdad), al Qaeda in Iraq (possibly), or The Islamic Army in Iraq (possibly) then there is close to zero chance for his survival. In either case, we should see a hostage video soon.

Of course, to the warped minds in the Islamic lands this could only be the work of the Zionists.

Islam Online:

The abduction of the head of the Egyptian diplomatic mission in Baghdad sends a strong message from Iraqi resistance groups to Arab countries set to follow the Egyptian lead by sending ambassadors to occupied Iraq, Egyptian experts have said.
Â“Sending an ambassador to an unstable Iraq was a wrong decision that prompted resistance groups to kidnap Ihab El-Sherif as a warning shot for willing Arab countries,Â” Abdallah El-Ashaal, a former Egyptian assistant foreign minister, told IslamOnline.net.
Egyptian and Iraqi officials said Monday that Kidnappers who seized Sherif on Saturday, July 2, have not yet contacted authorities or presented any demands.
The envoy, a father of two, was cornered by gunmen in cars while on a short trip to buy a newspaper near his home and had not been heard from since.
His white four-wheel vehicle was found undamaged near a newspaper stand...
Iraq announced last week that Egypt would become the first Arab country to give its Baghdad envoy the full title of ambassador since US forces toppled Saddam Hussein more than two years ago....
But former Egyptian ambassador to Afghanistan Ahmad El-Ghamrawi offered a different version of the abduction.
Â“Iraq has become an open arena for intelligence services and there is a strong possibility that Sherif was kidnapped by a foreign body to pit the Egyptians and the Iraqis against one another,Â” he told IOL.
He said SherifÂ’s latest post as Egyptian charges dÂ’affaires in Tel Aviv substantiate the theory that he might have been abducted by the Israeli intelligence services Mossad.
Â“Sherif has come to know a lot about Israel,Â” Ghamrawi said.
Â“Israel also wants to tarnish the image of the Iraqi resistance in the eyes of the Egyptian people,Â” he added.
The retired diplomat did not rule out a possible collaboration between the Mossad and the US occupation authorities to deprive the Iraqi resistance of the sympathy and solidarity of the Egyptian people.

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1 Top U.S. Army analysts believe Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, is "ruthless and cunning," "a wildcard" that "has [the] capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." This eye-opening assertion about America's supposed closest ally was reported in a front page story in The Washington Times on September 10-just one day before the terrorist attacks in America that are being blamed on "Arabs." The Times reported that this serious charge by U.S. Army officers against the Israelis appeared in a 68-page paper prepared by 60 officers at the U.S. Army's School for Advanced Military Studies, a training ground for up-and-coming Army officers. 'By way of deception, we shall make war' The motto of the Mossad.

Posted by: greg at July 04, 2005 12:04 PM (5PyOd)

2 Or maybe he was just kidnapped by insurgents to destabilize the current government and see it fail. The U.S. and the Israelis have a greater interest in a successful democratic Iraq than in "tarnishing tarnish the image of the Iraqi resistance in the eyes of the Egyptian people."

Posted by: Carlos at July 04, 2005 12:20 PM (8e/V4)

3 Greg, you asshat-idiot-moonbat, did you remove the tin-foil from your head on July 4th of all days?

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 04, 2005 12:29 PM (JQjhA)

4 LMAO! well said Rusty.

Posted by: Carlos at July 04, 2005 12:37 PM (8e/V4)

5 Sorry Rusty, there's no AC here in Italy. It may be affecting my thought process. One of the benefits of being on vacation is that I can read as much as I want. I was moved by the following passage. 'If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos or threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflection in the voice; at most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it.' George Orwell, '1984' The 'multi-colored' revolutions that have been occuring lately around the world, give this passage the ring of truth. Let freedom ring. May the people of the world be inspired by our nation's birthday. Happy 4th of July everyone!

Posted by: greg at July 04, 2005 01:36 PM (hpPDK)

6 Those punks are going for more diplomats...

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 05, 2005 05:58 AM (ScqM8)

7 Witnesses reported the terrorist that abducted him were driving BMW's. hmmm....... snippet taken from http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MOR505A.html Back in 2002, following the trauma of 9-11, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld predicted there would be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large. How could he be so sure of that? Perhaps because these attacks would be instigated on the order of the Honorable Mr. Rumsfeld. According to Los Angeles Times military analyst William Arkin, writing Oct. 27, 2002, Rumsfeld set out to create a secret army, "a super-Intelligence Support Activity" network that would "bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception," to stir the pot of spiraling global violence. According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization--the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)"--would actually carry out secret missions designed to provoke terrorist groups into committing violent acts. The P2OG, a 100-member, so-called "counter-terrorist" organization with a $100-million-a-year budget, would ostensibly target "terrorist leaders," but according to P2OG documents procured by Arkin, would in fact carry out missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among "terrorist groups"--which, according to the Defense Secretary's logic, would subsequently expose them to "counter-attack" by the good guys. In other words, the plan is to execute secret military operations (assassinations, sabotage, "deception") which would intentionally result in terrorist attacks on innocent people, including Americans--essentially, to "combat terrorism" by causing it! hmmm......... can someone say Operation Northwood?? I knew you could ;o}

Posted by: root at July 06, 2005 11:14 AM (dAUUf)

8 root, These neocons haven't the slightest idea what Operation Northwood is, even though I have posted on the subject twice. They have constructed an impenetrable fantasy world that only allows in news which reinforces the fantasy. Anything else is conspiratorial. You could grab them by the neck and shake the stuffing out of them and still they wouldn't become aware. You're wasting your time with these folks.

Posted by: greg at July 06, 2005 12:50 PM (rxZRr)

9 All together now: It's the JOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooos! Heh, I'll have to get a friend (he's a Jooooo) to show me his Mind Control Device, or maybe just shoot lazer beams from his eyes. Of course I'll have to wear my foil beanie, but that's the price of safety.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 07, 2005 03:08 PM (0yYS2)

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