July 04, 2005
France Secretly Cooperating in War on Terror
Are we talking about the same
France here? Perhaps the public face of Frace is a mask for a much deeper commitment to U.S. style anti-terrorism efforts. If true, then France has actually found the perfect counterterror style: publicly willing to negotiate with terrorists and assuming an anti-American stance critical of extraordary rendition while privately supporting the U.S. in the war on terror and participating in the same types of covert actions which are publicly criticized.
SMH Australia:
The operation that trapped [ Christian Ganczarski, a Christian convert to Islam who was allegedly the top al Qaeda agent in Europe and who was nabbed in a secret mission as he was being deported from Saudi Arabia ] was planned at a secret centre in Paris, code-named Alliance Base, set up by the CIA and French intelligence services in 2002. Its existence has not been previously disclosed.
Funded mainly by the CIA's Counter-terrorist Centre, the base tracks the
movement of terrorist suspects and plans operations to catch or spy on them....
Such joint intelligence work has been responsible for identifying, tracking and capturing or killing most of the jihadists targeted outside Iraq and Afghanistan since the attacks of September 11, 2001, terrorism experts say.
John McLaughlin, the former acting CIA director who retired recently after a 32-year career, described the relationship between the CIA and its French counterparts as "one of the best in the world. What they are willing to contribute is extraordinarily valuable".
Even as the US Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, was criticising France in early 2003 for not doing its share in fighting terrorism, his US Special Operations Command was finalising a secret arrangement to put 200 French
special forces under US command in Afghanistan.
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http://www.pbase.com/kburch/image/45384745

This was from my brother-in-laws change of command ceremony last weekend at Camp Lejeune - he was promoted to company commander of the Headquarters Company 6th Marines, 2nd Marine Division - Yes that's a Frenchie with him in the picture. The frenchie and some others had been with them since late 2002 on their deployment to Djibouti Africa and Haiti last year as were these Dutch Marines http://www.pbase.com/kburch/image/45384749. He's says you politics aside, they are professional soldiers who ARE in this WOT.
http://www.pbase.com/kburch/camp_lejeune__june_24_2005
http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news
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Caption Contest Wieners: A fatwa on your house!

Brad: Ward Churchill’s girlfriend sits in the bedroom waiting to FRAG her lover when he gets home after finding out he was “CHIMPIN” another CU co-ed.
Carin: And I thought it took a while to get used to the "string in my ass" sensation.
William Teach: Conservative Dating. Meet the Red State girl of your dreams.
And for using super-insider blogger references, special mention goes to CCW Bass:
I discovered that while it was great for keeping whispy liberal boys at bay, Frank J. has suddenly begun stalking me.
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WOW! Thanks Rusty,
On the 4th of July I win the contest by taking a swipe at a traitor.
What a great country we live in.
ItÂ’s just too bad that due to the content, I canÂ’t show off my victory to the wife and kids.
Oh well, happy Independence Day everyone.
BTW....Is a fatwa on my house a good thing?
Posted by: Brad at July 04, 2005 11:10 AM (pO1tP)
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...and no picture of the
blunderbustier that goes with it?
Posted by: Rodney Dill at July 04, 2005 12:21 PM (tGTSA)
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Hoooooly Smokes! Now THAT is one nice piece of hardware!
Posted by: Dr. Zubov at July 04, 2005 07:34 PM (lLExy)
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International Traitors and Fascist Lovers Television
I thought
these guys already had a TV network. It's called
al Jazeera.
Chrenkoff and
Decision 08 have more.
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I hope my cable company doesn't start broadcasting in
Pinko Vision
Posted by: dave at July 04, 2005 10:36 AM (fsJ2z)
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Didn't they try this with Air America? Is that still on?
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Happy Birthday USA
Well good morning everyone. IÂ’ve not touched a PC in days. Ooh it felt so good. Well I did update my bookkeeping. But please I wonÂ’t tell if you donÂ’t. Been kind of blogsessed among other things. Had a big meal yesterday and let of fireworks like there was no tomorrow. Got fireworks to go to tonight the big ones. So we tried to let off all ours last night. Yep all fingies still intact. Oh yeah, steaks, Baked potato, salad, Sliced home grown tomatoes, Green peppers, Sweet corn and to top it all off strawberry cheese cake. Yum Yum. Got two Posey county melons and a watermelon for tonight to go with the hot dogs and burgers. I love America. Got the old flag up too Mr. President.
Here are a few items I was able to look up this AM.
The Northeast Intelligence network reports there is some evidence that terrorists would like to pull off an attack over the holiday weekend. I would also watch out on Tuesday, as they seem to like to catch us back at work the day after. Also they have some good commentary and analysis on the Iranian leadership.
Team of American Talk radio host to travel to Iraq looking for truth on their own dime.
UPDATE FROM RUSTY: I should have posted this weeks ago, but they good folks over at MoveAmericaForward e-mailed me awhile back looking for some promo on it. Apologies for not getting the word out earlier. You can check out the website from the group at Voices of Soldiers. Michelle Malkin also has a good fisking of those gainsaying the group here. /Rusty.
Let me just say propaganda is a good thing here. The enemy gets free propaganda all day long. Every time a car bomb goes off. Where are the stories about reconstruction, victories, and such? They donÂ’t sell as well. If we donÂ’t fight that the perception that we are loosing will only increase true or not. Other peopleÂ’s perceptions are a reality you have to deal with, even if you donÂ’t agree you still have to deal with it because for them it is reality. My boss taught me that. I hate it but itÂ’s true.
"The reason why we are doing it is we are sick and tired of seeing and hearing headlines by the mainstream media about our defeat in Iraq." Melanie Morgan...."The "Truth Tour" has been pulled together by the conservative Web cast radio group Rightalk.com and Move America Forward, a non-profit conservative group backed by a Republican-linked public relations firm in California".
Might be nice if they included a couple liberals but from the tone of the article it appears they are not interested. Full story at FOXNEWS
More tips coming in from IraqiÂ’s
A bit stale but adds to traderrobÂ’s earlier post that we are winning the hearts and minds ever so slowly. It appears IraqiÂ’s are getting fed up with the insurgency.
Also noticed that while reading FoxÂ’s site that little box on the right showed a bunch of insurgent activity. Zarqawi video and some car bombings were listed there. Sounds like a response to the PresidentÂ’s speech. The President tried to pick us up a bit. For sure they would try to undo that. That is to be expected, in my opinion. The Zarqawi Video could possibly be a signal of some kind as they seem to use that sort of thing like a starterÂ’s pistol.
And the latest from CNN we have bombed a terrorist operating site in Afghanistan today. Still a developing story.
Also this from FOXNEWS. Another missing soldier has been located in Afghanistan and has taken shelter in a civilian household. Many thanks, to the people who helped this guy out.
Milton Glaser interview.
I watched NOW the other day and this was a pretty good inteview. Milton has a new book out. This guy knows marketing and talks about how that science has invaded news and politics. Being a sucker myself I'm always intrested to learn how I'm being suckered.
"So, there's been a kind of shift, it seems to me in America, from an idea that truth is valuable to an idea that entertainment is more valuable. And as a result of that, it -- lying in public no longer has any consequences, because you get crazy in thinking about all these public lies. You know with-- They use the term spin, and of course spin is just a nice way to say lie. But everything is spun in order to achieve a certain result. The fascinating thing about it is that the public who has grown up conditioned by advertising perfectly accepts political misrepresentation this way".
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Today is the day we remember America. It seems like a distant memory. I want my country back.
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier. Just so long as I'm the dictator."
(-George W. Bush)
Posted by: greg at July 04, 2005 11:06 AM (5PyOd)
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Good moring greg. Hows that vacation?
Posted by: Howie at July 04, 2005 11:12 AM (D3+20)
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Yeah If I were Dictator you can bet I'd make the news a few times. I have this fantasy about taking about 40 soldiers down to the capital and bouncing the top 40 corprate lobbies right down the steps for the camera. Kind of like Jesus in the temple. Cool fantasy huh. Who knows while I was there maybe a few reps and Senators too. Right after that we'll all have a fish fry with beer and citizens.
Posted by: Howie at July 04, 2005 11:22 AM (D3+20)
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Howie,
I like your plan. Count me in!
Good morning to you. It's almost dinner time here in the southern Italian province of Calabria.
Posted by: greg at July 04, 2005 11:48 AM (5PyOd)
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Greg,
You have a good one I'll me signing off here shortly. I'm just getting a few steps ahead of the game for tomorrow. Not much thinking required.
Posted by: Howie at July 04, 2005 12:00 PM (D3+20)
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Dammit Greg, I want the good ol' USA back again too. Those scumbags in Washington are so busy being total anuses that they're ruining any sense of what America is supposed to be.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 05, 2005 06:00 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM,
We are secret members of the Brotherhood. I am confident that we shall have our country back soon enough.
Posted by: greg at July 05, 2005 01:45 PM (NClfB)
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US delight as Iraqi rebels turn their guns on al-Qa'eda
A bit of
Independence Day cheer.
American troops on the Syrian border are enjoying a battle they have long waited to see - a clash between foreign al-Qa'eda fighters and Iraqi insurgents.
Tribal leaders in Husaybah are attacking followers of Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born terrorist who established the town as an entry point for al-Qa'eda jihadists being smuggled into the country.
The reason, the US military believes, is frustration at the heavy-handed approach of the foreigners, who have kidnapped and assassinated local leaders and imposed a strict Islamic code.
Fighting, which could be clearly heard at night over the weekend, first broke out in May when as many as 50 mortar rounds were fired across the city. But, to the surprise of the American garrison, this time it was not the target.
If a shell landed near the US base, "they'd adjust their fire and not shoot at us", Lt Col Tim Mundy said. "They shot at each other."
There is one thing that eventually proves inevitable with groups of disparate murdering criminals, sooner or later they step on each others toes.
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Let 'em kill each other and let Allah sort 'em out.
Posted by: Steve the Pirate at July 04, 2005 08:01 AM (0oTuw)
Posted by: Howie at July 04, 2005 08:13 AM (D3+20)
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Lie to yourselves and enjoy your so called
"4th of July", fascist nazi US imperialists.
Posted by: Banner Of Songun at July 04, 2005 09:25 AM (S057s)
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Dissention among Michael Moore's Minutemen? How ironic. Actually, this is no surprise to me, as I have a better general knowledge of Arabs than the average American. The media portrays them as "freedom fighters", "insurgents", or "rebels"; appelations which they've given to various fascist murderers over the years, but the truth is that they are nothing more than members of organized crime gangs who are fighting for control of territory.
Regardless of ideology used to attract donations and gullible young men to serve as cannon fodder, jihad is nothing more or less than gang warfare as practiced amond savages the world over; case in point, the Latino MS13 gang is now known to be cooperating with Islamofascist groups to help them with smuggling guns and terrorists into the country, for a price, of course.
Many people have repeated that "real" Muslims don't support terrorism, but the fact is that while the majority of Muslims around the world are generally peaceful people, (though far from civilized by our standards), due to the dogmatic ideologies of Islam, they are compelled to support terrorists because of the control that extremist clergy have over most Muslims, control that is backed by firepower. Extremists have perpetrated a coup to take over worldwide Islam, and they have succeeded.
It would be bad enough if we were just fighting well-organized, well-trained, well-financed criminals and religious fanatics, but the vast bulk of the worldwide media has thrown in with them, along with the entire international leftist-fascist-communist movement, and rougly half of the civilized world is ready to offer whatever terms of peace, up to and including total surrender, the terrorists demand, regardless of the costs. As in most other such cases historically speaking, the hope of freedom for everyone lies with a small minority while the remainder either decline to support them, or actively side with the enemy. When this is over, there will be a heavy reckoning, if anyone survives.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 04, 2005 09:33 AM (0yYS2)
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Songun = North Korean communists.
Posted by: Carlos at July 04, 2005 10:12 AM (8e/V4)
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hey now, we all know what freedom lovers the North Korean's are, why I bet right now one of em is eating a hot "dog".
Posted by: dave at July 04, 2005 10:22 AM (fsJ2z)
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Gimpy - why don't you suit up young man and join in the chaos over there?
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 05, 2005 06:01 AM (ScqM8)
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Gimpy's got a medical discharge ( a few screws loose).
Posted by: greg at July 05, 2005 01:47 PM (NClfB)
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The screws are missing, the shielding has fallen off, the core is exposed, and the control rods are out to lunch. Runaway reaction is imminent. Please observe Minimum Safe Distance Protocol. Have a nice day.
So how's Italy greg? Did you pay your respects at Mussolini's tomb yet?
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July 03, 2005
Iranian President linked to murders
What a gem.......
INTELLIGENCE sources and Iranian opposition figures have accused Iran's new President of being involved in a string of assassinations in the Middle East and Europe in the 1980s and 90s.
The claims follow last week's allegations that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad participated in the student takeover of the US embassy in Tehran in 1979.
According to a report in The Sunday Times of London, Kazem Sami, who was the first Iranian health minister after the 1979 Islamic revolution but fell out with the ayatollahs, was the first of dozens of dissidents to die.
Among three people killed was Abdul Rahman Qassemlou, the leader of Kurdish opposition to the ayatollahs in Tehran. The murders have never been solved.
An Austrian Interior Ministry spokesman said at the weekend that the Austrian Government had documents implicating Mr Ahmadinejad in the Qassemlou assassination.
One potential positive, the more hard core and out of step the new Pres is, the sooner the people will become fed up and revolt against the Mullahs. All this hopefully before they supply some terrorist group with a nuke.
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We're talking some dozens of dissidents in a mullocracy.. Bush, on the other hand killed over 150 in Texas alone. When he became president, tens of thousands more died as the result of his illegal war.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 04, 2005 05:40 AM (ScqM8)
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And when a born again woman, on death row, pleaded with governor Bush to spare her life, he mocked her. 'Help me, help me, please help me!' (snicker, snicker).
He's no Christian. He's a member of Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove, where the death of others is celebrated in Satanic fashion.
He dreams in technicolor - blood red. And yes, Clinton is no better.
One wonders when our coinage will be struck with the inscription, 'In Satan We Trust'.
Posted by: greg at July 04, 2005 11:27 AM (5PyOd)
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DSM
Perhaps you need a refresher course in the American judicial system. In this system, the courts, or in this case the juries, sentence a person to death. Bush merely allowed the decisions of the juries to be carried out.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 05, 2005 11:29 AM (jPCiN)
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I think that people from around the world need to take action and support Iraqi Sunnis to overthrow the newly installed Shiite pro Iran regime:
Al jafari is busy getting friendly with Iran, trying to start an Oil pipeline to pass through Iranian territory and wants to join the Gulf States and dares to apologize to Iran and Kuwait for our wars with these two Terrorist Nations.
That is outrageous.
please visit http://factsofiraq.tripod.com/
to see how you can get involved
Posted by: Ahmed Kadret at July 09, 2005 05:27 AM (1fnu8)
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Missing Soldier Found in Afghanistan
Conservative Thinking covered the BBC break of the story that was later confirmed by Fox News.
From the BBC:
US troops have rescued a special forces soldier missing in eastern Afghanistan for almost a week, US officials say.
A four-man special forces unit disappeared in Konar province on 28 July, and a Chinook helicopter looking for them was later shot down.
The rescued soldier was reported to have avoided capture in the days since his disappearance, US officials said.
The US military has said 16 troops died when the Chinook was hit, a "lucky shot" by suspected Taleban fighters.
The soldier is on his way to Landstuhl.
Conservative Thinking will continue to cover this story.
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Lucky shot with some leftover shoulder-launched antiaircraft rocket, that is. See how Reagan's allies became Bush's enemies?
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 04, 2005 05:41 AM (ScqM8)
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"Shoulder-launched antiaircraft rocket"
It was a "Rocket Propelled Grenade" (Russian) you're mistaking it for a 'stinger' missile, given by the U.S to the Mujahdeen.
It wasn't a "lucky" shot either, it was using the same method as they used to shoot down soviet Helicopters in Afghanistan, and the Blackhawks in Somalia using grenades that had modified timers to air burst near a rotor to cause damage, and bring it down.
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Saudi Al-Qaeda Chief Killed
(Riyadh, Saudi Arabia) A fierce gun battle today in Riyadh has resulted in security forces killing the leader of al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia.
From Aljazeera.Net:
Yunis Muhammad Ibrahim al-Hayari, a Moroccan, was killed during a raid on Sunday by security forces on an area where suspected militants were hiding, an Interior Ministry official was quoted by Saudi Press Agency (SPA) as saying.
The clashes took place in the Rawdah district, an upscale neighbourhood in eastern Riyadh, said Interior Ministry spokesman Brigadier Mansour al-Turki.
The unidentified official, quoted by SPA, said al-Hayari headed Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network in the kingdom, which has been ravaged by attacks during more than two years of violence.
Interestingly, al-Hayari led the
list of most wanted terrorists issued by the Saudi Interior Ministry on Tuesday. It's likely that the issuance of the list, along with a generous offer of rewards for information, led to the raids which resulted in al-Hayari's one-way ticket to the 72 virgins in fundamentalist Islamic heaven.
Could it be that average Saudi citizens, lured by reward money and disgusted by the indiscriminate killing of innocent bystanders, are now regularly notifying the authorities with information about the terrorists?
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Happy 4th of July, indeed.
Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at July 03, 2005 10:45 AM (mrpxK)
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"Saudis. They pump the sewage out in the belief that they can to keep it from leaking back in. Unfortunately, as the levels outside the septic tank which spawned it rise, the backpressure will build to levels even a Saudi sphincter can't obstruct."
Posted by: SheikhOsamaBeenStinken at July 03, 2005 12:48 PM (2vX1h)
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Or is it just that the Saudis are attempting to look strong in the war on terror to divert the US attention to the fact that they are part of the rising oil prices?
(not all to blame mind you ... I put a bulk of the blame on the wall street "speculators" out looking to pump up profits, but usually the Saudis force OPEC to increase production to compensate for the raises).
Posted by: Jonathan at July 03, 2005 02:17 PM (M7kiy)
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The Saudis are attempting to have it both ways, as they've always done. They sponsor the most ultra fanatical sect of Islam, give money to agitators and terrorists, and yet pretend to be our friends. Now to us this is duplicitous, but to Arabs, it's business as usual. In the Arab world, betrayal, duplicity, and dishonesty are not mutually exclusive to political partnerships. Among Arabs, nobody is surprised to find they've been betrayed by an ally, rather the opposite, they are surprised to find that an ally actually stood by them. Arabs are treasonous by nature and haven't the capcity to honor a commitment, a trait which we in the civilized world seem to be determined to not learn about them, or at least we are unwilling to admit it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 03, 2005 03:02 PM (0yYS2)
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Or Saudi just makes up these lists and fills them the names of reformists and opposition figures. I mean, how do we reeeeeeally know this dude was Al Qaeda?
/takes tinfoil hat off
Would anyone here put it past Saudi Arabia to do something like that? Heh...
Posted by: Ariya at July 03, 2005 06:15 PM (IXXEm)
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Call it wasp-hunting intuition... that guy was a terrorist punk.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 04, 2005 05:43 AM (ScqM8)
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No Ariya, I wouldn't, and in fact, I would bet money that you are right. The Saudi royals are playing a dangerous game, one which they cannot win, and I doubt they will survive, but then, Arabs aren't realists anyway, especially not the Saudi royals. After all, how much of a realist can someone be if they live in a palace and have a personal 747 to fly them to lunch in Paris while their people live in abject poverty?
The House-O-Sa'ud is a house of cards built on a foundation of corruption, extremism, bribery, treachery, and lies, and it will not stand much longer. The ironic thing is that as bad as they are, they are not the worst. If the royals are overthrown and some cleric gets in power, then global jihad and war on Israel will be guaranteed, and the only recourse we will have will be to invade an occupy Saudi Arabia.
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Shasta Groene Found Alive
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The weblog of a killer: Joseph Duncan's personal webpage reveals sick mind and illusions of demonic possesion.
UPDATE 7/06: Groene family did not know Duncan.
Affidavit claims Shasta repeatedly molested, recounts horrible ordeal.
UPDATE 7/05: Videotape of Shasta Groene in a convenience store shortly before she was found here. Criminal information on Joseph Duncan Below.
Latest news:
A convicted sex offender accused of kidnapping Shasta and Dylan Groene (search) was due in court on Tuesday, as authorities awaited lab results that might confirm their fears the 9-year-old boy is dead.
"Possible" human remains were found at site in western Montana that authorities searched on Monday for signs of the missing boy. The grim news cast a cloud over the joyful reunion of Shasta, 8, and her father, seven weeks after she and her brother disappeared and her mother and two men were found brutally murdered.
Kootenai County Sheriff Rocky Watson said the remains were being sent to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., for DNA analysis, which was expected to take three days.
Watson declined to answer questions, but the fact that he called a press conference at the place where reporters were following the Groene story indicated officials believe the remains were related.
"Unfortunately we believe Dylan to be deceased," Sheriff's Capt. Ben Wolfinger said after Watson's announcement. Shasta told authorities her brother was dead after she was found.
But family members said until there was proof Dylan was dead, they would continue to hope he would be found alive like Shasta was.
"At this point we don't have a confirmation. Until we do have a confirmation, our family is holding out hope that Dylan is still out there and needs to be found," Wendy Price, an aunt, told FOX News.
Information on Shasta Groene's abductor, Joseph Duncan, from the North Dakota Sex Offenders webpage run by the ND Attorney General. OFFENDER IS DELINQUENT is in big print on web-page.
Demographic Information:
Date of Birth: 02/25/63
Sex: MALE
Race: WHITE
Height: 6-01
Weight: 150
Eyes: BLUE
Hair: BROWN
Residence Address:
KOOTENAI COUNTY JAIL
5500 N GOVERNMENT WAY
COEUR D'ALENE, ID 83815
Registration Information:
Expiration Date: Lifetime
Last Address Verification: 07/05/05
OFFENSES
1ST DEGREE RAPE - DUNCAN RAPED A 14 YEAR OLD BOY AT GUNPOINT. HE BURNED THE VICTIM WITH A CIGARETTE AND MADE THE VICTIM BELIEVE HE WAS GOING TO BE KILLED BY FIRING THE GUN TWICE ON EMPTY CHAMBERS. DUNCAN WAS TERMINATED FROM TREATMENT, SERVED A LENGTHY PRISON SENTENCE, WAS PAROLED, AND THEN ABSCONDED. DUNCAN HAD A LONG HISTORY OF SEXUAL AGGRESSION AS A YOUTH.
Conviction Date: 10/02/80
PIERCE CO, WA ,
Disposition: 20 YRS
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If you've had your head in the ground today then you'll want to know that 8-year-old Shasta Groene has been found alive six weeks after the grusome murder of her mom, mom's boyfriend, and her 13-year-old older brother. Dylan Groene is still missing and presumed dead but cops aren't certain that Dylan is dead or not.
There is some in-depth coverage about today's events at Conservative Thinking:
Shasta Groene Found; No Sign of Brother
Jumping into the Online Experience that was Joseph Edward Duncan III
There is going to be all kinds of news about this guy in the next few days. His rap sheet has been getting longer and longer by the day as authorities from the northwestern and north central United States report in to the media about what he's involved in.
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Janette from www.commonsenserunswild.com says this guy had a blog, she has the link up, if you're interested. Pretty sick stuff.
Posted by: jody at July 02, 2005 04:51 PM (FawQf)
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At least one murderous sick punk prick has been caught.
It is high time that the President of the Most powerful country in the world stop polishing his scandinavian firearm and bring home the goddamn bacon: OSAMA BIN LADEN and ZARQAWI!! Now I'm Mad!!! 50 million not enough money?! .. We've spent over 300 BILLION fighting every Tom, Dick and Harry behind every Bush and Shrub in the Mideast for those bastards and got nothing but Rummy's old Bagdad friend photographed in his underwear.
With 300 Billion we could have caught
ALL 12000 QAEDAS at 25 Mil each,
even more if the small fry chumps were given a shop-soiled discounted price.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 03, 2005 04:13 AM (ScqM8)
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How about one strike and your out for first degree rape of a child?
ItÂ’s sad to think how many lives would not have ended or been ruined if we could just say there are crimes our society will not tolerate. Do that crime one time and you will never see the light of day again.
The people have to demand better from their State Legislators. If an initiative were written in my State for one strike your out for this crime it would pass overwhelmingly, and I live in a blue State.
Posted by: Brad at July 05, 2005 03:19 PM (3OPZt)
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This is one sick bastard, you hear me?
What kills me is that these perverts are allowed to go about their business over and over, our children suffer, and all we hear is the bleeding-heart bullshit about "rights" and "feelings" and the "fact" that sex offenders can be "rehabilitated" when said offenders will actually state that if released, they will do the same again!
There is no excuse for the fact this man was allowed to walk around free as long as he was. The kicker? There will be the standard public outcry, but then the attention will shift to the next sensation (like the next idiotic uttering of Tom Cruise) and leave those of us who keep demanding that something must be done to be ignored as usual by lawmakers--until an election. Even then, nothing useful is accomplished. While we do have some politicians here in FL who are trying to work for the rights of CHILDREN as opposed to perverts, the prevailing attitude is: "Will you look at that?" and a headshake. What is the answer to concerned parents and relatives? "Look at the law enforcement website for a list of offenders. You can even search by zip code!" That would be nice and effective - if the information was UP TO DATE.
Posted by: Aspiring Drunkard at July 05, 2005 05:16 PM (AdhnO)
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There should be no second opportunity for someone who is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (as in DNA evidence or "caught in the act"). I believe criminals of this type should be executed within 24 hours of conviction. Not coddeled for life at tax payers sufferance. Question is, how does one go about instigating legislation to this effect?
Posted by: Jo at July 05, 2005 08:02 PM (3qwho)
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I wholeheartedly agree with Jo--these pigs need to be executed within 24 hours of conviction. Child molesters abuse hundreds of children before they're caught--then they're given another chance when they are parolled? And look what happens when they are! Save a child -EXECUTE the perverts!!! You can say a prayer for them if you want....
Posted by: Cherie at July 06, 2005 03:47 PM (Bo7Cz)
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I am so happy that Shasta is doing well. I have been praying for her and her whole family. I also have been praying to Shasta's mother who died a terrible death probably knowing there was nothing she could do to save her children.
Please remember that Shasta's family who are no longer with us are with God, and in my belief praying for the family that is on earth.
Posted by: Barbara Klimekoski at July 07, 2005 04:55 AM (QGyvW)
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Well, I'll start by saying I'm a bleeding heart liberal who doesn't believe in the death penalty. You can swear at me, it's ok. But I will also say, even us bleeding heart liberals have children. And I can guarantee that I, at least, don't give a damn about this guy's rights or feelings, and rape of ANY kind, but especially child molestation is right up there with murder in my opinion, and WORSE than treason, that's for sure. If ever I DID condone the death penalty it would be now. Actually, part of me believes that more handy justice would be dealt by just putting the man in a room with the girl's father. I'm sure the situation would be taken care of, and we tax-payers wouldn't pay a dime.
Posted by: Melissa at July 07, 2005 09:28 AM (CdZAi)
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There is a sex offender one street over from me. Each day, he walks to the liquor store, no shirt on and he thinks he is hot shit. I've showed my girls and their friends who he is and we are watching him. Last week he was walking with little girl! What mother would let her daughter walk with this freak? In Maryland I think sex offenders should not live witin 5 miles of a school. ACtually, this should hold true in any state.
Posted by: Jennifer at July 07, 2005 09:43 AM (6krEN)
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OK People most of you agree that these sicko's need to be stopped, but will you really help ?
If you will help then go to our website ans join up with us. We are going to do what we can to get the laws changed on how these bastards are punished, and it's not gonna be a slap on the hand and let go in 6 months ! We are gonna push for the toughest law we can and also push for it in every State not just one or two. We will be organizing a million child march in Washinton.
We need as many people as we can possibly get, so if you really think the laws need to be changed JOIN US IN A FIGHT FOR OUR KIDS !!!!
If you find that the website is not up yet please check it often it should be up by this evening July 7 2003. Thanks
Posted by: Sonya at July 07, 2005 02:28 PM (h6N9x)
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I guess this might work if I give out the web addy !!!! Sorry I got excited....the web addy is
www.treasureourchildren.org
Posted by: Sonya at July 07, 2005 02:31 PM (h6N9x)
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website is up and running....we need volunteers, please join us in our mission to change the laws reguarding All Sex Offenders in All States !
www.treasureourchildren.org joining is totaly free.
Posted by: Sonya at July 07, 2005 09:38 PM (h6N9x)
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Saddness.....Pain....Anger....Revenge.....Justice!
Not that it really matters, but I am an Idaho Native. I was born and raised my entire life not far from where the Groene's lived. In a community where everyone was neighbors, and there was never much fear when you forgot to lock your door at night! Nothing like this has ever happened here, EVER! Idaho is one of those places that most people don't know exists until something like this does happen. I for one wish that it never had. This is something that has saddened, and shocked the entire community, and will change our lives forever. That however is small potatoes compaired to the life that Shasta, and many other children like her will have to endure for the rest of their lives. I for one can not imagine the things that she must have seen, and the things that she may have had done to her. The only thing that I can do now is to pray to God that he may show mercy, and save the rest of her as best he can.
How does this happen, where is the law, how did this man slip through the cracks, how do they justify letting him out, how can they say he was not a large enough threat? Is he a large enough threat now?
This man is a repeat offender, he has already been judged and labled as such. How could they allow him bail, how could they not have acted sooner, how could they not think that it would happen again?
I do believe in the death penalty. I do believe that one should pay for their crimes. I do believe that our children need to be protected, because without protecting them how can we live with ourselves! Something needs to be done, and it needs to be done NOW!
I only wish they had caught him sooner. I have not seen this on the National news, but we here in Idaho know that Shasta and Dylan's older brother was in the Kootenai County Jail less than 72hrs before this MONSTER was detained there. The swiftest justice in this entire case would have been if the jailers could have locked this sorry excuse for a human in the cell with these childrens brother, locked the door, and walked away!
Posted by: Jo from Idaho at July 07, 2005 10:14 PM (pO1tP)
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JO from Idaho....you are so right ! How can this happen, it happens because of the laws !!! We can change them but we have to unite and join forces that is why I am asking everyone to go to www.treasureourchildren.org we are going to get something done to where these people cannot hurt our children. It does not cost anything to join. We are new and have a lot of work to do, but it will get done ! Please join us in our fight !
Posted by: Sonya at July 08, 2005 10:46 AM (h6N9x)
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There's a lot of what you say that I don't agree with (me being a left wing bleeding heart liberal and all), but PLEASE know this: I, and most of my leftie friends, do not believe that this man deserves anything but the worst. I am a survivor of heinous things myself, so I know first-hand what these children must've gone through. I don't believe that people like Duncan can be reformed. I DO believe that normal people, just like us, from all parts of the political spectrum, need to work together to make sure that people like this don't get away with it. One way to help is to work to repeal the statute of limitations on sex crimes against children. Call your representatives. Tell them how you feel and push them to making this law. The perps that victimized me will never be prosecuted because it wasn't until I was an adult that I could come forward and deal with the issue. They are molesters, but even though I have a written confession (an apology), I can do nothing about it. They live in a normal little neighborhood where they don't have to register as sex offenders because they were never caught. Just think of all the sexual predators we could put away for good if the statute of limitations was repealed. Why don't we work together, left and right, on this? It would be so much more productive than bickering. Please consider exploring this idea and doing all that you can to make it so. Thanks.
Posted by: Tish at July 13, 2005 11:34 AM (9+5w0)
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All child molesters should be put in with general population once convicted there will be no need for death penalty.
Posted by: Jane at July 17, 2005 12:44 AM (erflC)
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First of all the hardest thing is getting the prosecutor's to prosecute.My three year old grand-daughter has been molested by her moms boyfriend and we cant even get them to press charges.what's wrong with this picture!!!1
Posted by: lisa at July 17, 2005 12:26 PM (M7kiy)
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i have followed this story from the beginning. I have lost three nights of sleep over this sad horrific story.I have a grandson named DYLAN JAMES also 10 years old on 10-31-95. tHE MOST HORRIFIC THING I HAVE EVER WITNESSED IS MY then 7 yr.old grandson was ran over right infront of my own eyes.He was only 5feet in front of me when this happened. Doctors at the trauma center did not expect him to live,but through some miracle he recovered fully.That is why i cant get this precious little girl off of my mind.God for some reason let my baby grandson survive,he also let little Shasta survive,for a reason.THANK GOD he did. I have only hope for this little angel.I think about her so many times a day. She being only 8 years old has taught me so much about fear. I think about what she endured in that 7 weeks with a madman.She inspires me to confront my own fears of losing my grandson, my fear of being home alone and so scared every night at home. My husband is gone alot so i'm left at home alone alot.AND IF SHASTA COULD ENDURE WHAT SHE DID ,THEN I AM NO LONGER AFRAID,IN FACT I WOULD TRADE PLACES WITH HER IN A HEARTBEAT IF SHE COULD HAVE BEEN SPARED WHAT SHE HAD TO GO THROUGH.MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERERS ARE WITH THIS PRECIOUS LITTLE GIRL. I HOPE THE BEST FOR HER.
Posted by: Bebop at July 18, 2005 12:21 AM (nWc4I)
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SHASTA AND DYLAN GROENE RODE MY BUS WHEN I WAS IN THE FITH AND SIXTH GRADE !!!!!!!!!!! I use to sit and talk with them and I used to tease them. Now I feel awful about that. I am now going into the 8th grade, and I still remember the whole bus route. I've gone to a different school now for two years(I was held back because of age). I'm turning 14 this summer, I feel really awful about the kids especially since I knew them personally. I'ts sick what Duncan has done and he should have been on the death penalty when he 16. He already was charged with over 20 sex offenses!!! And I hate the thought that they would let our community get away with that!!! Stupid!!The dumb shit needs to be drug behind a truck by his toes, then beat with a claw hammer!!!! I can relate to Shasta because I was molested when I was ten by my stepdad. I have to go to counciling still to this day because of my thoughts and beliefs about sex. I don't think I'll ever be the same, and some day when I'm with a guy and I can't have sex because it brings back memories I swear I'm gonna hunt the jackass down that raped me.
Posted by: googler29 at July 20, 2005 09:41 AM (7XCm5)
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Ed Gilmore is a rapist!!!!!!!!!!
-Jude Halloway
Posted by: Judecamanchie at July 20, 2005 09:50 AM (7XCm5)
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Ed Gilmore is a molester!!!!! and his credit really SUCKS he can't pay for a damn thing . hes living below poverty way below!!! Loser Jackass now the whole world knows your nothing but scrap a meat on the back porch waitin' for the dogs to come chew you up!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: judeifergoose at July 20, 2005 09:54 AM (7XCm5)
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I am so happy they found Shasta otherwise she could have been killed or abused and taken aadvantage of he is a cyco he does not deserve to live that kind of thing should not happen everyone should be able to live in peace without robberies and killers and cycos like Duncan 3 i think this is just unbeleivally insane what kind of sick illminded skum bag does this does he that it is cool or something what an idiotic cyco. God what is wrong with people these days people want a safe envirment and a safe place to stay where people can let there children play outside and not worry about SKUM BAGS like him He doesn't deserve to live
Posted by: Katie at July 22, 2005 11:59 AM (a0pFf)
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Just wanted to agree with everyone on here...no child should have to go through an experience as horrific as that. I'm disgusted by the fact that he was let out after so many offenses and evfen more disgusted by the fact that the whole ordeal went on for seven whole weeks. I can't imagine what her life will be like after this..but I wish her the best. On a more positive note....I work at a technology store and recently we had a person bring their computer in for repair. While trying to fix the computer some illicit material was all of which involved children. I don't know the person's background...if they were an offender or not but i'm happy to report that the person was arrested while trying to pick up his computer. I have no children of my own but I have plenty that are near and dear to me and this felt like a victory. Just shows that we can all do something in our own way.
Posted by: T at July 26, 2005 01:32 AM (3SaVv)
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No second chances. They need to be put away forever with never one tiny shred left for their freedom. Get them counseling, get them help... ok...but never let them out in society again. They never need another chance to prove that they have not overcome their sick mental problem. No child, or person, should have to suffer to prove that. Just do what someone once mentioned earlier...One strike and you are out FOREVER!
No second chances with this kind of crime. I do not feel sorry for where they have to find places to live when they get out. It would solve this problem if all sex offenders would never be released... then we would never have to read the sex registry list either to find out who may be our neighbors. That is, if, and only if, they are actually living where they say they are. Today it was shown when a man, who had a history long of sexual abuse, was not living where he stated and again abused...this time a 20 month old baby. ONE STRIKE... AND OUT FOREVER!
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The Evil Fascist Loving Left
Dean Esmay has recently called for truth in labelling for those that embrace the
insurgency. In that spirit, here are a few comments from reader's around the world. Especially important is the
context in which these comments are made.
If you are a consumer of the more radical leftist media or much of the Arab press, you might be forgiven for believing the 'resistance' in Iraq is no different than any number of revolutionary movements--hence Michael Moore's Minutemen analogy. Further, the news you read would be full of alleged attrocities committed by U.S. soliders while such things as the intentional murder of civilians by the 'freedom fighters' would be downplayed or explained as a tiny minority of incidents.
If this was the news you were reading daily, you too would root for the Islamo-fascists in Iraq, because your perception of them would be quite different than reality. Hence, I have argued on this blog from day one that the Bush doctrine--that we will not distinguish between countries that support terrorists and the terrorists themselves--ought to be extended to media outlets as well. Any media outlet that openly supports those bent on creating a Taliban like state in Iraq are the enemy of the United States and legitimate targets in war.
Such was the case during WW II when Joseph Goebells, had he not taken his own life and the life of his wife and six children, would certainly have been tried and convicted of war crimes and crimes against humanity for his daily propaganda. It is also upon this principle which led to the conviction of Julius Streicher and for which he was hanged.
While such propaganda during times of peace may be seen as the price for an open society, the context of war changes everything. Words said in peace usually are harmless, but the same words during a shooting-war leads to death, destruction, and a continuation of hostilities.
What is the power of propaganda? I am convinced that most of the insurgents in Iraq actually believe they are fighting for a good cause. Further, they actually believe they are winning the long-term fight. If you were exposed to the daily propagandizing that they are exposed to, you might also. If we want to win we must convince those who may potentially go to Iraq to fight it is the insurgency that are the bad guys and that they are destined to fail.
Here is an example of a comment from a man who's IP address tracked to the Netherlands--which has a huge Muslim population and an even larger population of fascist apologists. What is so disgusting about the comment is the context in which it was given. The post described the taking of a Japanese hostage with an update that takes the reader to gruesome images of the dead man. Hans:
iraqi resistance has the right to defend thier land, what we see now is just the begining of long term fight..
Another comment from the same post, this one from
Nicky, who's IP puts him/her somewhere near Atherton, CA:
i think the US is the real terrorist, and no matter what they do, this fight will never end, they are in for a more deadly and bloody Vietnam.
The so called terrorrist or insurgents are for me freedom fighters trying to free their land of occupying forces and they are doing well. for this to end the US must pull out of iraq because their main reason for going there is the oil and not WMD as claimed by bush. Shame to them!
Here's a comment from
this post--a post with images of Abu Musab al Zarqawi cutting the head off a Bulgarian civilian. Even after seeing who and what the insurgents really are, Ionescu Iulian, from Romania, still thinks it is the Americans that are the bad guys:
YOU THE AMERICAN PIGS DESERVE WHAT THE GLORIOUS IRAQI FIGHTER FOR THE FREEDOM DO TO YOU> YOU BUSH IS A MURDERER>REMEMBER
The time has come to treat the Global War on Terror as TOTAL WAR. Such all out war would recognize enemy propaganda outlets for what they are--part of the machinery of war. If not, the jihadis will continue to raise money, recruit, and fight in Iraq.
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Dr. Rusty,
I'm working on a piece that is relevant here. I posted an excerpt over at Roger Simon's earlier.
BTW great work on the Ahmadinejad Photo Affair. Dr. Zin is running a flanking movement to your original post.
Seems as though the hostages are holding firm on their ID. They are making their ID after seeing him in news accounts after his "election" victory. They are not basing this on the AP photo. I'll post some add'l info in your thread.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED)
Link to Dr. Zin
Here's the excerpt:
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Roger,
I will share an excerpt from a piece I'm working on re President Bush's speech this week, what the American people really think, and the craziness of the LL and the MSM.
I will post it later but here are some relevant passages:
How to Lose a War
What more do the leftist and the MSM want?
[...]
In creditable polls (RAND Corp and Pew), the American people do see a need for our continued presence in Iraq in terms of the larger GWOT. With the disinformation that the leftists and MSM are spewing, the people are left confused at times.
[...]
The MSM is no longer a relevant provider of objective information. We, in the Blogos who know differently, are left preaching to the choir. We read posts from Zeyad and Omar and other bloggers who are the true foreign correspondents in this war who are literally risking life and limb to report from inside these repressive tyrannical regimes.
The Blogos now has the power to bring objective news/info of the day directly to the American people without filtering or blocking by the leftist aristocracy and the MSM.
Yes, there is some truth that we created the Iraqi insurgency problem in Iraq. If you subscribe to the "flypaper" theory as articulated by Grim of Grim's Hall and others, we are drawing the loyal robotically programmed Jihadists into Iraq like moths to a porch light. I would rather kill them over there where we have the resources to do so then have them on kamikaze runs in our neighborhoods.
[...]
UPDATE -
I should add the majority of the suicidal bombers of late are actually Saudi/North African and not Iraqi.
[...]
Also it seems the local Iraqi "insurgents" are taking exception with these foreign Jihadists killing innocent Iraqis. There have been recent reports that the Iraqis are actively engaging in firefights with the "foreigners."
I wonder if we have cut a deal? You know we have had some talks with the indigenous Iraqi insurgents. Go figure on that one.
Do you suppose the MSM will get around to reporting this significant bit of information in their laziness or failure to understand what's going on?
Apparently some folks are tracking this on Jihadist websites with the "death statements" of these bombers and have made this finding.
Gee, I would call this real investigative reporting. NAW!
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 02, 2005 05:21 PM (RxRYD)
Posted by: Russ at July 02, 2005 05:38 PM (zShs1)
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Your opinion seems, to me, to be tha sanest judgment that I have read in quite a while.
Does the American two-party system make it impossible to successfully fight a war that has not been declared by Congress?
Posted by: Toby Shandy at July 02, 2005 07:32 PM (ywZa8)
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Maybe, although this war was declared--there is no other way to read the authorization of force other than a declaration of war.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 02, 2005 08:39 PM (JQjhA)
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Toby, Congress declared war with the resolution in October of 2002. Its the Democrats who have abandoned our country in time of war.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at July 02, 2005 09:50 PM (xauGB)
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YOu're right. You were right before and you're right now.
Posted by: Jane at July 02, 2005 10:25 PM (6krEN)
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Robin Roberts,
Have you ever hunted wasp's nests?
Looks like the Iraqi government we put into power is using elecrtric drills to drill through the kneecap bones of those hung from the ceiling by handcuffs. Hot irons are dragged around the chests of prisoners to get answers.
Iraqi troops we trained are singing odes to Sadam. Those who don't sing are insurgent-informers. Never mind Democrats abandoning us. the Iraqis are.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 02, 2005 11:18 PM (ScqM8)
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DSM, put down the Kool-Aid, I think it's gone bad.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 03, 2005 12:21 AM (0yYS2)
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Dear Impy,
Your revolution is already happening, but the bad guys are doing it..
Join me if you dare on the great wasp's nest hunt:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1520419,00.html
www.globalpolicy.org/security/ issues/iraq/resist/2004/0907baath.htm
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 03, 2005 03:16 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM:
You have learned well at the madrassa kaffir. Your worthless hide shall not be wiped for you have mouthed the words the immans have taught you well. Tomorrow kaffir you shall shout at the top of your lungs about the millions of innocents killed by the imperialist Americans. Then you shall behead a three year old infidel for the glory of Allah.
Posted by: Osama at July 03, 2005 05:37 AM (DT110)
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Osama: you, strange young man, are a barbarian and in need of a rendition. I'm savin' a buckshot shower for you just to force Bush to pay me 25 mil.
Impy - you are an incorrigible banshee.
Defense Guy, you help me find him and we can split the cash bush is gonna pay.
Robin Roberts, what is it like being Klanrooster's loving spouse?
Greg - I still think Osama is in Naples.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 03, 2005 06:16 AM (ScqM8)
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Indeed, DSM, your Koolaid seems to have fermented on you. Its long past time for you to grow up.
Posted by: SPQR at July 03, 2005 10:54 AM (xauGB)
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How to Lose a War
What more do the leftist and the MSM want?
Happy 4th of July everyone. Please remember just what we are celebrating as our brave men and women in uniform are going into HarmÂ’s Way to protect what we hold dear.
Here's the complete draft essay re the LL and the MSM I just posted over at Roger SimonÂ’s:
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President Bush has not waffled on his message, “We must stay the course.” He was re-elected after much debate on this very issue by the American people.
In creditable polls (RAND Corp and Pew), the American people do see a need for our continued presence in Iraq in terms of the larger GWOT. With the disinformation that the Liberal Left (LL) and MSM are spewing, the people are left confused at times.
The LL as well as the MSM are so wracked with anger and disdain for this administration, they canÂ’t see the forest for the trees. We are not bogged down in any quagmire nor is this another Vietnam or is this an US imperialistic colonial movement; no matter how hard they may wish it so or try.
[Â…]
As Hugh Hewitt says we are in a transformational period as great or greater than Martin LutherÂ’s time and the Protestant Reformation. With the advent of the printing press and moveable type this wrested control of the news, science, and thought of the day away from the aristocracy and the Catholic Church. Once the news and information was more freely available to the people, they were free to decide what to consider creditable and what the truth was.
The Blogos now has the power to bring objective news/info of the day directly to the American people without filtering or blocking by the LL aristocracy and the MSM.
[Â…]
We need to be honest with the American people. This is a war we cannot afford to lose. We are at war with a very cunning, determined, patient, stateless and transnational enemy driven by and unified in a common bound of a cult-like religious ideology. This a male dominated theocracy of hate and evil from the 12th Century whose stated mission is to destroy all of us - Islamofascism. Please remember this radical movement declared war against the US in 1993. It was only after the 9/11 strikes did we take notice.
This ideology is not unlike the other failed ideologies that have been discarded into historyÂ’s dustbin e.g., Nazism, Communism, and Fascism. These ideologies couldnÂ’t provide for the needs and wants of the people. They failed to provide an equitable distribution of resources and wealth among the people. The key failure is they do not recognize the fundamental truth of the free will of men and women. In particular, the Achilles Heel of Islamofacisim is its failure to recognize the importance of women. Not until we crush and wipe this ideology from the face of the earth will this war be over.
[Â…]
Finally, I have yet to hear a coherent alternative strategic plan put forth by the LL and the MSM to win this war. Until they have a plan worth pursuing, the Honorable Senator Feingold, Senator Kennedy, Senator Kerry, and Senator Durbin can:
SHUT THE @#$% UP!
Their constant gum flapping is sending mix messages to the enemy. This only empowers and emboldens the enemy to kill more innocents and to kill or injure our brave men and women in uniform who go into harmÂ’s way on our behalf. These thoughtless political statements only serve to hurt the morale of our troops. Our military is defending our very way of life, culture, and freedoms we hold dear from the enemy in the GWOT.
Link Here
AND MY GOD BLESS AMERICA!
[Of your choosing or none if thatÂ’s your belief]
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 03, 2005 12:37 PM (HsiFR)
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Similar thoughts (ultimately from Drink-Soaked Trotskyite Popinjays for WAR) here: http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=505202&CategoryID=438727&startcat=1&ThreadID=2133436
Posted by: Garth at July 04, 2005 01:47 AM (g4Ska)
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Great golly, miss Molly! Propaganda is a message. With all the money that has been spent on Bush's escapade in Iraq, we could have paid off every Iraqi to the sum of $12,000 so they could turn in all the Killer-Qaedas. Instead, the Bathists are paying $400 bounty for every American soldier. We are paying 30 times more than the Bathists do in order for the Iraqis to hate us. What kind of craziness is that??
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 04, 2005 06:01 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM said:
"Impy - you are an incorrigible banshee."
Uh... thanks? Damn you? Mazel tov?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 04, 2005 09:17 AM (0yYS2)
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DSM:'Greg - I still think Osama is in Naples.'
Indeed. I met him in a pizzeria. He's a pleasant chap. He claims he had nothing to do with 9-11, declaring it to have be an 'inside job'.
Posted by: greg at July 04, 2005 11:40 AM (5PyOd)
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Just so y'all know: Somebody posted as "Osama" above...wasn't me! If the real Osama is in Naples, I hope his beard gets caught in a super-hot pizza. Hmmm. No. Better that he gets hit by a cab and knocked down a cobblestone street...
Posted by: osamabeenhiding at July 05, 2005 11:44 AM (klOV8)
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Documents Show Gitmo Inmates Defy U.S.
The press would have you believe that the Gitmo prisoners are docile and subservient victims being horribly brutalized by sadistic American soldiers. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Military authorities have previously disclosed some incidents of guard retaliation at Guantanamo Bay, which resulted in mostly minor disciplinary proceedings. What emerges from 278 pages of documents obtained by The Associated Press is the degree of defiance by the terrorism suspects at Guantanamo.
The prisoners banged on their cells to protest the heat. They doused guards with whatever liquid was handy — from spit to urine. Sometimes they struck their jailers, one swinging a steel chair at a military police officer.
Some prisoners at the U.S. base in eastern Cuba have gone on the attack, as in April 2003 when a detainee got out of his cell during a search for contraband food and knocked out a guard's tooth with a punch to the mouth and bit him before he was subdued by MPs. One soldier delivered two blows to the inmate's head with a handheld radio, the documents show.
In another case, an inmate threw a partially full urine bottle at an MP in May 2002, apparently because he believed the soldier had intentionally kicked his hospital bed. When the soldier threw the urinal back, the detainee grabbed a steel chair and swung it at guards before they subdued him.
Think about it, had these been American POWs in WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam etc, they would have been shot or hanged. What's amazing and the real story here is the amount of restraint our boys have shown.
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Sorry that this is off topic, but I think it is too important to ignore.
Published: July 01, 2005 11:30 PM ET
'NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, presumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Tonight, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Don nell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove.
Here is the transcript of O'Donn ell's remarks:
"What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury, the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.
"And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."
Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper.'
Oh, oh!
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 07:23 AM (3D/yw)
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Holy Christmas, that BUSH LIES bonehead might have been right about "Rove is Satan", even when blathering drunk or drugged! BUSH LIES is still a rotten punk, desert-dweller though.
About Gitmo, those captives in there are real badasses, or local animal herders who have become so powerful behind bars that the Qaida uses them to boost recruitment. I'd rather have 'em put on trial than to have them be used as recruiters for the ugliest terrorists to come for America again. Call me stupid if you want, I say deny the Qaedas that recruiting asset.
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and then:
'Zogby Poll: 42% Would Support Impeachment Proceedings Against Bush
Zogby | July 1 2005
President BushÂ’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.
The Zogby America survey of 905 likely voters, conducted from June 27 through 29, 2005, has a margin of error of +/-3.3 percentage points.'
Another, Oh, oh, moment.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 07:48 AM (3D/yw)
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Published on Friday, June 4, 2004 by FindLaw
'The Serious Implications Of President Bush's Hiring A Personal Outside Counsel For The Valerie Plame Investigation
by John W. Dean
Recently, the White House acknowledged that President Bush is talking with, and considering hiring, a non-government attorney, James E. Sharp. Sharp is being consulted, and may be retained, regarding the current grand jury investigation of the leak revealing the identity of Valerie Plame as a CIA covert operative.'
Reposted in light of the MSNBC revelation.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 10:30 AM (3D/yw)
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greg, didn't Zogby also say Kerry won the 2004 election?

Anyway.
Hmmm, so terrorists are "defiant" while our soldiers are "torturers"... is that about right, AP? FIlthy rag.
Posted by: Ariya at July 02, 2005 10:31 AM (IXXEm)
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I don't put much reliance on polls. And especially ones which gather information from as little as 905 "likely voters". How many millions of "actual" voters are there? 120 million? 130 million? What cities did they call? How many in each city?
Polls are simply guessing games and
sometimes they get lucky. People grab at the one's they agree with regularly and see the one's they don't agree with as anomolies or they just ignore them.
It'll be interesting to see if Rove is the guy.
Posted by: Oyster at July 02, 2005 10:33 AM (YudAC)
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I just got back from the Live Aid concert. It's probably still going on. It's being held at Circo Massimo, the place where the chariot race in the movie, 'Ben Hur', supposedly takes place.
I'm sure many of you neocons think it's all bullshit. Some of the hard core members probably think we should just kill the Africans and put them out of their misery. Maybe it is bullshit. I don't know, but it was fun.
The Italian 'Yutes' are a fun bunch. I sat down on the hillside with a large group and we exchanged pleasantries. I didn't recognize any of the Italian bands and I think they were a little offended by that. I told them I remembered a great band from my last trip to Italy, Battista. They said he was indeed famous but he's dead now, so I apologized and they all laughed. I asked them if they had heard of Stevie Ray Vaughn and none of them had.
Every once in a while I smelled something familiar. Something I hadn't smelled in decades. No not pussy, hashish.
They say that of all the sensory modalities, the olfactory system can evoke the strongest memories.This may surprise you, but as a teenager I was a handful. In the 10th grade my mother found my stash of 1 hundred '747' qualudes. My mother told my dad and sent me off to live with him. My father was a visiting professor at the Univ. of Roma at the time. He was living with his new wife, a graduate student not much older than I. He really didn't want me around so he put me in a school to live, St. Steven's Episcopal (sp?)School in Rome.
Everyone there was from a wealthy family except for me. One of the students was the son of the US ambassador to Italy. For Christmas, he and his family went to Saudi Arabia. And upon his return, using the cover of diplomatic immunity, he smuggled in to Italy a chunk of black opiated hash that was so fresh it was maleable and would liquify when lit. We split it up and each got about 10 grams. The most famous students were Idris and Rita Al Sanusi (sp?). They were both the sons of the deposed king of Lybia, King Idris. Idris was the heir to the thrown should the monarchy ever be reinstated. They didn't sleep at the school like the rest of us. Everyday, the drove to school followed by the Carabinieri, the Italian Federal Police. Kadaffi was out to kill them possibly. We were best friends. After school I'd hop in their car and get them high as the Carabinieri followed us. Although the offense for drugs was very serious at the time, I was immune from the law while I was in their car.
Those were great times. I returned to the US the next year and we didn't keep in touch. I think about them from time to time, like tonight when I smelled the hash. I hope they're well and hope that someday Idris becomes King. I don't believe in monarchies, but he would make a good and kind king. I can't say the same thing about the younger brother, Rita though.
Buona notte. Tomorrow I head south to the province of Calabria.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 04:03 PM (3D/yw)
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Ah the kaffirs Greg and his love toy DSM have demonstrated their ability to mouth the word of Allah as taught to them by the immans. Osama is overjoyed to see such wisdom by kaffirs, even though its harder to seperate them from the goats aand camels that are reserved for the glorious jihaddies. Continue your work and your vile relations will be ignored by the caliphate. Continue to spread the word of Osama.
Posted by: Osama at July 03, 2005 05:42 AM (DT110)
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>>>"Oh, oh!"
greg,
don't hold your breath on this one. This is just another "scandal" in a lost list of failed Liberal scandals that have fizzled out with nothing more than a whimper. Rove is indeed mentioned in the notes turned over by Time magazine’s Matthew Cooper—but not as the source of the leak.
Posted by: Carlos at July 03, 2005 10:30 AM (UWO6N)
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osama,
is that really you? You're sounding more and more like a rightwinger every day. I'm very pleased with your progress.
Posted by: Carlos at July 03, 2005 10:33 AM (UWO6N)
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"Osama" young imposterous man, you should be ashamed of yourself for being such a tasteless young naughty hooligan. Your dog has eaten your opium, pissed all over the cave you live in and then took a giant half-digested brillo pad and crayon steel wool rainbow dump right on your game plan. Just thinking of you makes me mad and I'm going out to shoot some more wasp's nests.
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Insert Fatwa -->HERE<-- (Do it yourself Festival of the Fatwas)
The following
infidels,
Zionist monkeys, and
Crusador pigs get a
fatwa for celebrating the
Great Satan's anniversary!
Click on the links below for
blasphemy,
heresy, and
lies! Want to participate? Just link any of your most fatwa worthy posts to this post and send us a trackback. A fatwa will be issued below.
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I issue a fatwa on: http://satp.blogspot.com/2003/08/story-media-covered-up.html
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 05:52 PM (ScqM8)
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Then, I use the Washington Monument to symbolically flip off the White House liars, the fattest porkmongers of Congress and the Rummy Gang. Then I'm going wasp nest hunting!
Improbulus - you need medication, young man.
Osama binX - may the sounds of caterwauling keep you up at night.
Defense Guy - you still haven't pissed me off yet.
BUSH LIES - you're a punk, desert-dweller who poses with cactuses.
Thanos35 - help is on the way...
Babblar - you can run, but you can't hide.
Bradley - stay away from Rooster.
Rooster - may you use your tongue to clean the exhaust soot off the walls of the lincoln tunnel.
Jihadis - your days are numbered, punks!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 06:08 PM (ScqM8)
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Blasphemy, heresy, and lies?! Wow, lemme see which of my relevant posts I should post....Well...I could post ALL of them, but....
Posted by: Feisty at July 01, 2005 08:40 PM (QBrm4)
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Osama may have to issue a fatwha on DSM for molesting his pet sheep again. Kaffir you were warned about neglecting your duties at the madrassa by attending the NAMBLA meetings. Your vile and filthy habits are of no concern to the holy warriors so long as you spread Osama message. So leave my sheep alone kaffir and get back to spreading lies, I mean the word of Allah.
Yes and prepare the next bomb for the kindergarden oh wretched offspring of a cross between Hildabeast and a goat.
Posted by: Osama at July 03, 2005 05:45 AM (DT110)
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Osama, you are like the one wasp that tried to get away from the nest I shot down last week.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 04, 2005 06:09 AM (ScqM8)
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Caption the above photo, get a fatwa!
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What about the original caption first? Then we can go from there...

That must be an Israeli girl...
Posted by: Ariya at July 01, 2005 02:43 PM (IXXEm)
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Edward Klein releases a photo from his recent book, "The Truth About Hillary" he says is proof of two of his assertions: That Sen. Clinton was deeply involved with lesbos (Code Pink) and Vince Foster.
(Editor's note: Hillary Clinton involved with lesbos should not be constrewed not "good gay".)
Posted by: Editor at July 01, 2005 02:53 PM (adpJH)
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golldang it! I screwed that one up...
amend:
...Klein explained the lack of a face shot was to "hide his source".
And "constrewed"[sic; correct: construed] was to be "conscrewed", you know, for a play on words.
Is it Friday yet?
Posted by: Editor at July 01, 2005 02:57 PM (adpJH)
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Victoria's Secret Wants You!!
Posted by: Bubbe at July 01, 2005 02:57 PM (cbAi4)
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Ward Churchill’s girlfriend sits in the bedroom waiting to FRAG her lover when he gets home after finding out he was “CHIMPIN” another CU co-ed.
Posted by: Brad at July 01, 2005 02:58 PM (3OPZt)
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"If you think you're getting in here, guess again"
Posted by: Jonathan at July 01, 2005 03:03 PM (wdVtc)
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"Hipless 13-yeal old girl in big sister's thong plays with dad's gun."
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:12 PM (8e/V4)
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Nice!
The G in G-String stands for GLOCK.
Posted by: SayUncle at July 01, 2005 03:14 PM (CDrd/)
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Is that a gun in your thong or...no, that's pretty clearly a gun in your thong.
Posted by: Eric J at July 01, 2005 03:16 PM (hrQvk)
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Is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:17 PM (8e/V4)
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sorry Eric, I guess you beat me to it.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:18 PM (8e/V4)
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I'm going to blow your head off, but not before I fuck your brains out.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:19 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Darth Redneck at July 01, 2005 03:20 PM (PX+vn)
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Basic Instinct II: No More Wussy-Ass Icepicks!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 01, 2005 03:26 PM (JQjhA)
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"Howie just wait till you get home you SOB. I called your desk 12 times already, Where hell are you at. And turn that cell phone back on you bastard I have not run up the phone bill enough yet.
This usually occurs right after the last 4 calls when she did reach me. You think terrorists are scary.
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 03:37 PM (D3+20)
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[1] "Penis envy" is now officially an outdated concept.
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[2] "I discovered that while it was great for keeping whispy liberal boys at bay, Frank J. has suddenly begun stalking me."
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[3]
"Speak for yourselves, girls (especially you,
Jane.)"
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Plink in the pink. (apologies to all an sundry for this one)
Posted by: ccwbass at July 01, 2005 03:40 PM (wVtIP)
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"Why do they hate us? Is it because we're murderous whores?" Thank YEEEEEW!
Posted by: sst at July 01, 2005 03:41 PM (zBFNs)
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And I thought it took a while to get used to the "string in my ass" sensation.
Posted by: carin at July 01, 2005 03:44 PM (3OUyp)
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:47 PM (8e/V4)
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Katie Holmes prepares to surprise her fiance, Tom Cruise, with some suggestions for her character in the upcoming film, MI3: Hubbard Comes In From The Cold.
Posted by: tee bee at July 01, 2005 04:13 PM (q1JHF)
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The worst part is getting a wedgie when I draw my gun. I gotta get a new holster...
Posted by: Gekkobear at July 01, 2005 04:14 PM (XWr9N)
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"I have a gub."
or
Happiness is a warm gun
Happiness is a warm gun
When I hold you in my arms
And I feel my finger on your trigger
I know no one can do me no harm
Because happiness is a warm gun
-Yes it is.
Posted by: Aaron's cc: at July 01, 2005 04:34 PM (ov6Vw)
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Daddy wanted to get us Uzis but couldn't find a concealed carry holster!
Posted by: Dan Melson at July 01, 2005 04:35 PM (8GGdx)
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"Take the Safety Off - Dial 976-GUNGIRLS"
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Find Her Silencer - Win a $25 Gift Certificate
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Calvin Klein Announces:
Brooke Shields - Reloaded
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Does This Handgun Make Me Look Fat?
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2005 04:48 PM (ZmivM)
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Shot in the ass and you're to blame...
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 04:53 PM (ScqM8)
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Stretching the boundaries of "concealed" carry....
Posted by: Russ at July 01, 2005 05:19 PM (zShs1)
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The question is, “What’s more annoying, the barrel against your cheek, or the lace in your crack”?
Posted by: Cindy at July 01, 2005 06:22 PM (48zd8)
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buy now and save 50%--the glock strap.
Posted by: shawn at July 01, 2005 07:23 PM (kuSz0)
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Ortho-Nova is marketing a new patch to the Second Ammendment Sisters.
______
Paris Hilton is ready the next time someone tries to steal her Blackberry.
[OK, guys: tell me we haven't seen enough of Miss Hilton to know that's her non-existent derriere and almost non-existent undies!]
Posted by: Quid at July 01, 2005 07:46 PM (72bu2)
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Conservative Dating. Meet the Red State girl of your dreams.
Posted by: William Teach at July 01, 2005 08:33 PM (HxpPK)
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Feisty was glad to find a thong that matched her sweater and a gun that matched her pants so she could BANG! BANG! BANG! in utter style.
Posted by: Feisty at July 01, 2005 08:46 PM (QBrm4)
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Do You really think you can handle this?
Posted by: Justin at July 01, 2005 09:30 PM (J7x9I)
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This is why WE are going to lose you stupid FUCKS.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15797327%5E1702,00.html
Assholes.
No seriously, close your open browswer windows replete with porn, pull your pants back up, wipe the smirk off your face, and understand this at a fundamental level: WE are going to lose in Iraq at the current pace because the current climate of assholedom that you promote and/or subscribe to. And yes, I coined a term there. You're welcome... fuckstick.
Posted by: sst at July 02, 2005 12:08 AM (7VUbD)
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Taking "pop a cap in your ass" to a whole new level.
Posted by: Will Franklin at July 02, 2005 12:31 AM (mXBZN)
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Filing system for the anally retentive.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:54 AM (3D/yw)
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Don't even think about picking my weggie.
Nothing gets between my calbins, except my automatic.
sugar and spice and everything ammo.
does my ass look big?
Posted by: Cav at July 02, 2005 02:21 AM (QGpLt)
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Do it yourself tattoos. Inquire within.
Posted by: Chris Short at July 02, 2005 03:02 AM (0OCQY)
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‘xcuse me while I whip this out.
Posted by: phin at July 02, 2005 06:40 AM (DGPlf)
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The newest Victoria's Secrets addition - "The Thongat Line"
For those romantic evenings on the range, in the hood, or the trailer park.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 08:15 AM (PXESm)
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I didn't make the 8:15 post. Someone is impersonating me.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 08:22 AM (3D/yw)
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" Go ahead, make my day !"
Posted by: Michael Marler at July 02, 2005 09:27 AM (M7kiy)
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If I get more more crack about my thong... I'll murderize ya!
Does this thong clash with my Glock?
Nice Glock! Thanks, I had it field stripped just for you.
Posted by: lawhawk at July 02, 2005 09:32 AM (It67r)
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"The day my f***buddy also became my bodyguard"
or
"Let's see the Code PInk chicks do this."
Posted by: ratan at July 02, 2005 10:13 AM (pdzQc)
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Yesterday, Senator Ted Kennedy presented evidence which he claims proves that Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld has sent the US military, most notably female soldiers, into combat without proper equipment.
Posted by: Graeme at July 02, 2005 12:12 PM (nzuqL)
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The backstage competition was fierce for Tonya Harding,during the new Ice-capades mini tour "Trailer Tramps On Ice"
Posted by: Doug at July 02, 2005 12:38 PM (W+urw)
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When you pry it form my...
Nevermind.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at July 02, 2005 12:51 PM (ics4u)
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Victoria's Secret reveals its new
Gunderware line.
Posted by: Rodney Dill at July 02, 2005 01:29 PM (tGTSA)
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Butt floss & a .45...........
Posted by: oxen at July 02, 2005 02:30 PM (D3EOk)
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Hey ! I've saw that before ... thats a Redneck chastity belt !
The kind my daddy gave me growing up in North Carolina !
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>>>"
WE are going to lose in Iraq at the current pace because the current climate of assholedom that you promote and/or subscribe to."
boo hoo hoo, I'm sure you're so worried about that. In fact you're hoping, nay, praying to goddess for it.
Posted by: Carlos at July 02, 2005 11:52 PM (UWO6N)
Posted by: ZiPpo, Imperial Privateer at July 03, 2005 07:13 AM (QaNJ/)
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"This gun is a real pain in the ass."
or
"Note to self: next time, no silencer."
Posted by: Venom at July 04, 2005 10:34 AM (dbxVM)
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You are never wrong with a gun in your thong.
Posted by: Alnot at July 06, 2005 02:58 PM (pO1tP)
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Howie's news roundup
So here are the things Howie found today. Submitted for your reading pleasure. And I wish people would stop calling with problems that aren't.
Iranian VP voice of '79 kidnappers.
Bush asks for fairness on Nominee to be named as early as next week.
Also we see that a team of special forces is still missing and the Taliban claims to hold at least one. This link may die quickly.
Iran progressing backwards??
A quick reversion of hard won social freedoms seems to be occuring right after that country's election.
full Story here.
David McCullough's 1776 exerpts. David has a new book out and they are reading exerpts each morning on NPR. Sounds pretty good. 102 Minutes on radio reader so far is pretty good. I was wondering if any of Osama's friends made the book.
Apparently Nancy Pelosi has upset several boggers while this is a bit stale it may still make for a good argument.
Captains quarters has a few things to say to start us off.
Full transcript of Ms. Pelosi's interview
Congress has cut funding for developers who use the recent Supreme Court Decision to push residents from homes. Like they will need it and this does not help small enterprise as far as I can tell.
Well that call I got sure put a cramp in my plan for deep editorial opinions. You may thank them below.
Have a fantastic weekend everyone and watch those fingies. But I like things that go boom.
UPDATE: Michelle Malkin is on effin fire today!!
Good news, civilian casualties DOWN in Iraq.
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Went wasp-nest hunting again.. Those damn hives are all over the place. Shot another one and it just blew up. Wasps were everywhere!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 05:07 PM (ScqM8)
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Your link to Nancy Pelosi's press conference should be of major concern, at the very least, to all Californians. About 3/4ths the way down she was asked THREE times how she felt about SCOTUS' ruling on the eminent domain issue and she dodged it each time. At one point segueing into a rant about the separation of church and state then following up with likening Supreme Court decisions to those of God. A small excercize in irony there, eh Nancy?
I think her silence on the issue speaks louder than anything.
Posted by: Oyster at July 02, 2005 07:41 AM (YudAC)
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Take it for what it's worth, but it does bolster
the theory offered in this post.
Times Online:
But today, an reformist newspaper in Tehran, Shargh, said that the Iranian students shown in the photograph were JaÂ’afar Zaker, a militant who went on to die in the Iran-Iraq war, and a student known only as Ranjbaran, who was later executed for alleged links to an extreme opposition group.
As for the American hostage shown in the photograph, The Times learnt yesterday that he is Jerry J. Miele, who was working at a communications officer at the Embassy in 1979. Reached at his home today in Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania, Mr Miele, 66, declined to comment on the photograph but said: "I don't have anything to say about the new President of Iran, I don't want to cause any trouble."
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He was my neighbor's ex.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 05:08 PM (ScqM8)
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I wish these koranimals would get their stories straight. Well, they do last least have one thing in common, the guy they claim is in the picture is dead now. How convenient!!
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Ex-Iranian Agent: Photo Not Ahmadinejad
A top Iranian former secret agent said Saturday that the hostage-taker in a 1979 photograph that has come under intense scrutiny is not President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad but a former militant who committed suicide in jail.
Saeed Hajjarian, a top adviser to outgoing President Mohammad Khatami, identified the man in the photo dating to the 1979 U.S. Embassy siege as Taqi Mohammadi.
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(REPOST)
Stay Focused, guys!
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth?
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
Those guys can quibble over nose-hair count all they want. As far as I'm concerned, he could look like Mother Teresa. If he say he da man, den he da man. Even if he wasn't involved with the hostages, if he identifies that stongly with evil, then he is evil.
One more observation. Why would a leader have the role of shelpping the prisoners around? Leaders don't shelpp when they have lower level grunts to do it. Also, grunts have to scowl. It's part of the job description. Outsmiling the leader, or cracking one at the wrong time is, at best, a BAD career move!
So, I'm for ole happy-face to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
Yep, that sure looks like him all right.
You distract him with the nose-hair count while I get the hellfire missle.
Oh, wait, what was I thinking? The UN would never allow such a 'criminal' act, unless it was committed by a muslim against the USA.
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
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And OpenEarsToHear...
HeDaMan! (NO, NOT THAT ONE, THE OTHER ONE!)
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth?
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
Those guys can quibble over nose-hair count all they want. As far as I'm concerned, he could look like Mother Teresa. If he say he da man, den he da man. Even if he wasn't involved with the hostages, if he identifies that stongly with evil, then he is evil.
One more observation. Why would a leader have the role of shelpping the prisoners around? Leaders don't shelpp when they have lower level grunts to do it. Also, grunts have to scowl. It's part of the job description. Outsmiling the leader, or cracking one at the wrong time is, at best, a BAD career move!
So, I'm for ole happy-face to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
Yep, that sure looks like him all right.
You distract him with the nose-hair count while I get the hellfire missle.
Oh, wait, what was I thinking? The UN would never allow such a 'criminal' act, unless it was committed by a muslim against the USA.
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
Posted by: OpenEyesToSee_repost at July 03, 2005 03:10 PM (2vX1h)
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And OpenEarsToHear...
HeDaMan! (NO, NOT THAT ONE, THE OTHER ONE!)
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth?
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
Those guys can quibble over nose-hair count all they want. As far as I'm concerned, he could look like Mother Teresa. If he say he da man, den he da man. Even if he wasn't involved with the hostages, if he identifies that stongly with evil, then he is evil.
One more observation. Why would a leader have the role of shelpping the prisoners around? Leaders don't shelpp when they have lower level grunts to do it. Also, grunts have to scowl. It's part of the job description. Outsmiling the leader, or cracking one at the wrong time is, at best, a BAD career move!
So, I'm for ole happy-face to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
Yep, that sure looks like him all right.
You distract him with the nose-hair count while I get the hellfire missle.
Oh, wait, what was I thinking? The UN would never allow such a 'criminal' act, unless it was committed by a muslim against the USA.
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
Posted by: OpenEyesToSee at July 03, 2005 03:11 PM (2vX1h)
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Al Reuters Misleading Headline of the Day
No evidence yet Iran leader involved in 1979 siege
The article then goes on to list statements by the White House which amount to, "we're still looking into it", denials by the Iranians, and an interview with a former hostage who says he doesn't recall personally seeing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but he believes the others who say they did.
Fair and balanced.
Related here and here.
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'No evidence yet Iran leader involved in 1979 siege'
Evidence? You don't need no stinking evidence.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:56 AM (3D/yw)
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Fun With the Taliban
Ever want to e-mail a Taliban spokesman? You know, maybe find out his favorite color, which Beatles album he thinks is the best, or maybe what he thinks the prospects are for the AL taking the series this year.
Here are three e-mails from a pro-Talibam website with links to Mofti Latifollah Hakimi, spokesman for the 'Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan'. If you speak Pashtun, make sure to give him our best wishes!
alemarah@alemarah.com
alemarah1@yahoo.com
Khyber_safia@yahoo.com
As always, if you receive a reply, please FORWARD it to me immediately.
Interestingly enough, the website in question is registered to a man in Pakistan but is hosted on a Canadian server. Aren't there Canadian troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban today?
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Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 01:59 PM (3D/yw)
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It's very clever of someone to spoof my e-mail address to send hate mail to muslim websites, but it's a childish prank at best, and at worst could land you in jail. Whoever is doing it, (cough greg cough), should probably reconsider before the Men in Black™ come after you in their Black Helicopters™ and take you before the Elders of Zion™ and use their Evil Joooish Mind Control Device™ on you.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 02:21 PM (0yYS2)
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"Aren't there Canadian troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban today?"
No, horses do not travel too well in the mountains.
Posted by: Chad Evans at July 01, 2005 03:00 PM (oFwgF)
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Maybe my e-mail being in English is one reason I haven't heard from the last pen pal you posted. Ah, language barriers. So many wonderful relationships thwarted. Hey, if anyone can send something in Farsi, Egyptian, Lebanese or other appropriate language, that might help me "make friends" with Alemarah or Khyber. Mucho apreciado!
Posted by: tee bee at July 01, 2005 04:20 PM (q1JHF)
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Impy, young man, I can't imagine you hating anyone.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 05:10 PM (ScqM8)
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Improbulus,
It wasn't me. You are the least of my concerns. I doubt anyone likes you very much, so it could have been anybody.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:18 AM (3D/yw)
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I can't believe it the [AMCANS] people especially the middle predominant class can be sooo IPOCRIT, PERVERT, IGNORANTS and EASY to manipulate by the high society, WITH SO MUCH ANGRy and HATE INSIDE.
I am a socialist and I am proud I was born in a socialist country AT LEAST MY COUNTRY OFFER ME THE CHANCE TO LEARN FOR FREE! ("dumb" [amCANS] please pay attention!) more than 3 foreign languages. I have free medical care ("ignorant" [amCANS] pay attention!).
Why you use the communism sign (the hammer?!). I bet a lot of amCANS don't even know what means that sign. But you are full of stupidity and in plus the rest of the world can see beter what kind of society you are?!, full of uneducate people. What have to do the comunism sign with the most recently war - your war?
Posted by: Marco at July 08, 2005 12:04 PM (u9dSe)
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Is this for real? Lol, like it.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED)
UPDATE: Scroll down for updates.
Two days ago Iran Focus alleged that the photo below was of Iranian President Elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. We, of course, jumped right on the story.

Yesterday watching Hardball with Chris Matthews, one of the former hostages--I believe it was Don Sharer-- denied that the man in the photo above was Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But he claimed that he was 100% sure that Ahmadinejad was one of his captors, but that the photo above was not of Ahmadinejad. He said that Ahmadinejad was only around occasionally and seemed to be a leader of some sort when he did come around.
Oxrant was the first that I know of to attempt to debunk this. I should have linked to it yesterday but I was busy being sick. Look at the photo comparison which he gives here. (Click image below for close-up)

It looks as if the critics may be right on this one. It should be noted, though, that noses can change over time. My father's, for instance, who broke his nose several times and it never looked the same. But having said that, Oxrant's comparison does seem compelling.
But wait....there's more. Oxrant notices some Freepers doing their homework here. The image compares recent photos of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to another person in the 1979 AP photos. Look at the man in the turtleneck, just to the right of the person circled above.

Were we simply looking at the wrong man in the photo? Go check out Oxen's other photo comparisons. Here's another page with more of the same photo comparisons.
CRITICAL UPDATE: Take this for what it's worth, but it certainly seems relevant. Times Online:
But today, an reformist newspaper in Tehran, Shargh, said that the Iranian students shown in the photograph were JaÂ’afar Zaker, a militant who went on to die in the Iran-Iraq war, and a student known only as Ranjbaran, who was later executed for alleged links to an extreme opposition group.
As for the American hostage shown in the photograph, The Times learnt yesterday that he is Jerry J. Miele, who was working at a communications officer at the Embassy in 1979. Reached at his home today in Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania, Mr Miele, 66, declined to comment on the photograph but said: "I don't have anything to say about the new President of Iran, I don't want to cause any trouble."
Here is part of
the transcript from Hardball that I just found:
ANDREA MITCHELL:.... We have taken that picture, a number of pictures, in fact, to a former FBI photo expert, Chris. And he says that there is a less than 50 percent chance that the person in the photograph [ed: the one we highlighted two days ago] is the person that is now the president of Iran....
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about the—the question is, though—let me ask you to take a look at the picture again. This is the president-elect. We‘re going to show you a picture of the president-elect of Iran. There he is, the man on the right [ed: recent photo of Ahmadinejad].
The man on the left [ed: old AP photo that we highlighted] in the monitor you‘re looking at, Mr. Sharer, is someone who has been mentioned as someone who was close to you, who was one of the captors. It‘s really not important. But does the man on the left look like the man on the right you? And is the man on the left the man you remember as well?
SHARER: Yes. The man on the right [Ed: recent photo of Ahmadinejad] is the one that I saw that reminded me of it, and just about the same beard.
MATTHEWS: Right.
SHARER: Had a little half-inch, quarter-inch growth.
MATTHEWS: I know what you mean.
(CROSSTALK)
SHARER: And the man on the left [ed: the old AP photo that we highlighted], there‘s too much facial hair to really look at.
So, it seems that even the person that we initially believed was Ahmadinejad in the 1979 AP photo was not him. However, the number of former hostages that say they recognize Ahmadinejad has gone from five to six.
San Francisco Gate :
Six former American hostages have said they recognized Ahmadinejad.
"As soon as I saw the face, it rang a lot of bells to me," Don Sharer of Bedford, Ind., told CNN. The former naval attache at the Tehran embassy said he was 99 percent sure of his identification. "When you're placed in a life- threatening situation of that nature, you just remember those things," he said.
Another former hostage, William J. Daugherty, a former CIA officer who now lives in Savannah, Ga., said he remembered Ahmadinejad "acting in a supervisory or leadership capacity" during the early weeks of his captivity.
Retired Col. David Roeder, 66, who was deputy Air Force attache at the embassy in 1979, has told reporters that Ahmadinejad watched as interrogators threatened to kidnap Roeder's handicapped son in the United States and mutilate him "if I didn't start to cooperate."
Daughtery, the sixth to make the allegations against Ahmadinejad, is a political science professor at AASU.
WSAV:
In 1979, Dr. Daugherty was a young CIA agent. He was stationed in Tehran, the Iranian capital, when he and dozens of other Americans were captured and held for over a year. 25 years later, Dr. Daugherty says a familiar face from that time is now running Iran.
Last week Iranians picked a new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Daugherty says he's sure he was one of his captors.
"This is him, he's clearly- uh you can see he's trying very hard to look menacing and threatening here, here he's looking much more relaxed but you see the similarities in the nose, in the chin, the hair line, the eyebrows."
Dr. Daugherty is a professor at AASU here in Savannah now, teaching political science. He says he's not surprised the new president of Iran is one of his former captors. He says others have held positions in the Iranian government.
The Iranian government says these men are not the same person, but Dr. Daugherty says he knows they are.
"When somebody takes your liberty, puts your life in danger, causes your family great agony and humiliates your country, you don't forget who that person is."
So, who is it that Daughtery is identifying in the old AP photo? It may be that he is wrong about the photo, but right about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad being involved. Remember, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's official biography claims that he was a founder and leader of the group that executed the embassy takeover, although it also claims he opposed the hostage taking. Several unofficial biographies, though, say that not only was he for taking the US embassy, but that he wanted to also take the Soviet embassy as well.
UPDATE: Bryan Williams compares terrorists to Founding Father's. Sure Bryan, the British could have called the Founding Father's terrorists, just like Pakistanis like to call Osama bin Laden a 'freedom fighter' and Michael Jackson called Lisa Marie 'wife'.
UPDATE II: It gets worse, much worse. In our original post we noted that several unofficial biographies of Ahmadinejad claimed he was directly involved with murdering Iranians at home and abroad. Check out this from Dafydd over at Captain Ed's who found more from Global Security:
With the formation of the elite Qods (Jerusalem) Force of the IRGC, Ahmadinejad became one of its senior commanders. He directed assassinations in the Middle East and Europe, including the assassination of Iranian Kurdish leader Abdorrahman Qassemlou, who was shot dead by senior officers of the Revolutionary Guards in a Vienna flat in July 1989. Ahmadinejad was a key planner of the attack. He was reported to have been involved in planning an attempt on the life of Salman Rushdie....
Ahmadinejad, an unabashed conservative, resurrected the fervor of the 1979 Islamic Revolution during the campaign by saying Iran "did not have a revolution in order to have democracy, but to have an Islamic government." Ahmadinejad had a bloody background. He was responsible for the execution of hundreds of dissidents after the war.
So, even if we do not have the photographic evidence that we once though, this man's background is questionable at best and murderous at worst.
The best case scenario--that Ahmadinejad's denials of involvement in and opposition to the 444 day hostage ordeal turn out to be true--
still leave us with a militant fascist Islamists with nuclear ambitions!
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Posted by: Oxen at July 01, 2005 11:23 AM (w9vWW)
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Ah screw it, send in a Stealth strike anyway.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 11:24 AM (0yYS2)
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"You're all looking at the wrong guy.
It's the dude in the turtleneck NEXT to the circled guy.
Posted by nuffsenuff at June 30, 2005 05:22 PM "
If true, good call by nuffsenuff.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 11:35 AM (x+5JB)
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I really don't care if the bugger was the hostage taker or not. He is the enemy. I will be happy when he gets his third eye.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at July 01, 2005 11:54 AM (yBHNA)
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I know this is vastly off topic (forgive me?) but has anyone seen this:
http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2005/06/friend-of-my-enemy.html
http://www.gryphmon.com/2005/06/hate_shows_up_a.html
Rev. Phelps from godhatesfags.com is now protesting at Military funerals with signs like "Thank God for IED's", "Thank God for 9-11" his site includes statements like "WBC rejoices each time an American soldier is killed by an IED" and "They turned America over to fags, now he's sending them home in bodybags"
He believes that because his church was attacked with an explosive that God is punishing America, and it's soldiers by killing soldiers with explosives. These guys are as disgusting.
Posted by: dave at July 01, 2005 12:28 PM (fsJ2z)
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Do you think if we ignore Phelps that he might just go away?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 01, 2005 12:38 PM (JQjhA)
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No. I do not believe he will go away, it's not like he's being covered on CCN, the motive appears to be to get someone to assault them in order to sue, or to cause the most torturous grief to people already experiencing such a terrible loss.
He has been doing this for
Years now, he isn't going away.
This guy is a monster, on par with the terrorist scum we face abroad.
Posted by: dave at July 01, 2005 12:49 PM (fsJ2z)
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They picket funerals of soldiers killed in battle. This from their vile site:
"Marblehead, MA Epic (Sgt. Christopher Piper Takes His Spot as the Heroic Whoremonger in Hell) - June 27, 2005"
Lots of anti-Bush diatribe, calling him a warmonger and a monster. They must be Democrats.
Their site is so venomous one almost thinks it's a joke. I hinestly think they're possessed.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 01:39 PM (x+5JB)
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Let us ask his good friend Jimmy. That should settle it.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at July 01, 2005 01:41 PM (Z6yVb)
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What is the bet none of them attend a funeral of the fallen Navy SEAL's because there they might actual face some grievous bodily harm.
Everyone "ignored" these idiots when they picketed the funeral of Matthew Sheppard, now they're moving on to Soldiers, not sure when it will end.
Posted by: dave at July 01, 2005 02:00 PM (fsJ2z)
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Them Aye-rhabs all be looksing alike.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 02:02 PM (3D/yw)
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Yeah, they do all pretty much look alike. Countless generations of inbreeding will do that to a culture, which is why greg's house only has one family portrait that's passed down from generation to generation.
By the way, Iranians are not Arabs, but mostly Persians and a few others mixed in.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 02:25 PM (0yYS2)
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Yes, they are not Arabs. In fact, the name 'Iran' means 'land of the Aryans' if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 01, 2005 03:15 PM (JQjhA)
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It gets even worse than that:
From another article, Ahmadinejad was given the name "the Terminator" because he liked to perform the coup-de-grace shots on political prisoners executed after the revolution.
Posted by: Cog at July 01, 2005 04:43 PM (UxviT)
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I think the second picture is an exact match. The new president of Iran is a hostage taker and a terrorists.
Posted by: Ledger at July 01, 2005 08:11 PM (v1WaO)
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Aye-rhabs er mooselimbs, whatz the fucking difference? Improbulus says we should kill them all, cook them in mother's milk and then feed them to the pigs.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:23 AM (3D/yw)
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Different guys. Look at the earlobes. Doesn't mean they both aren't überweenies.
Posted by: William White at July 02, 2005 04:08 PM (hW+Tn)
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Dr. Rusty,
I just posted in your thread on what to call the enemy in the GWOT and Islamofascism. I mentioned I would post more in your thread here:
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BTW great work on the Ahmadinejad Photo Affair. Dr. Zin is running a flanking movement to your original post.
Seems as though the hostages are holding firm on their ID. They are making their ID after seeing him in news accounts after his "election" victory. They are not basing this on the AP photo. I'll post some add'l info in your thread.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED)
Link to Dr. Zin
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BTW folks if you can throw some money in Dr. Zin's collection cup it would be greatly appreciated. He's doing this out of a sense of patriotic duty but his running low on funds and working around the clock on this.
Go figure aren't we all but we have a very limited strategic window of opportunity to assist the Iranian people in toppling the Iranian Islamofascist Theocracy.
If the Iranian people believe they have the support of the American people and the free world they will take care of business on their own and send the armed Pakistani thugs protecting this regime packing.
I don't believe for one minute this administration will blink and allow them to go nuclear. The Iranian people like America but they are a very proud and nationalistic people. A direction military invasion will be costly in terms of PR and lives.
Dr. Zin is a critical portal where information flows into, within, andd from Iran. We need to keep him solvent for the next month or so to pull this off.
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More on AP Photo
A MUST READ
For those interested in this story, this is a great example of the self-correcting ability and the great knowledge base of the Blogos that is a must read.
The Jawa Report and summary by Dr.Zin are now reporting the initial ID of Mr.Ahmadinejad as being the same person in the AP archive photo is a mistake. The Jawa Report is now providing good profile photos for comparison. Those who do this for a living will use the ridge structure of the earlobes for comparison as earlobe ridge structure is generally unique like fingerprints.
Freepers is now providing more photos from the Embassy that have a greater likelyhood of being Mr. Ahmadinejad.
In my 30+ years in LE, this is not uncommon. Especially when only one photo of the suspect that is very similar to the suspect is used. There are five or six former hostages that are quite sure that Mr. Ahmadinejad was a leader of the group that tookover the embassy. They do remember Mr. Ahmadinejad but have misidentified the AP photo as being him.
For further see Dr. Zin's and the Jawa Report summaries as this story as it developes:
[07-02-05] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED):
Link to Dr. Zin
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 02, 2005 05:43 PM (RxRYD)
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HeDaMan! (no, not HIM, the OTHER one!)
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth? (www.homelandsecurityus DOT com/iran.asp)
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
Those guys can quibble over nose-hair count all they want. As far as I'm concerned, he could look like Mother Teresa. If he say he da man, den he da man. Even if he wasn't involved with the hostages, if he identifies that stongly with evil, then he is evil.
One more observation. Why would a leader have the role of shelpping the prisoners around? Leaders don't shelpp when they have lower level grunts to do it. Also, grunts have to scowl. It's part of the job description. Outsmiling the leader, or cracking one at the wrong time is, at best, a BAD career move!
So, I'm for ole happy-face to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
Yep, that sure looks like him all right.
You distract him with the nose-hair count while I go and round up a hellfire missle.
Oh, wait, what was I thinking? The UN would never allow such a 'criminal' act, unless it was committed by a muslim against the USA.
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
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It's him... (no, not HIM, the OTHER one!)
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth? (www.homelandsecurityus -DOT- com/iran.asp)
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
So, I'm for the guy to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
Posted by: OpenEyesNSee at July 03, 2005 03:34 PM (2vX1h)
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The Man in the picture from the american ambessy in tehran is taghi mohammadi,my brother, who comitted suicide in jail. It is not ahmadinejad.
Posted by: dont@mail.me at July 04, 2005 07:23 AM (KQTQ/)
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of course it is him
Look at yourself in the mirror and see how a nose changes when you laugh!!
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Rusty appears to still be down ill
Well I've emaled Rusty again this AM. No response as of yet but maybe he will stir himself up and drop us a note later. Guest Posters have at it. I have maybe a few little items to post later. I'll try not to repeat my
"OH MY GOD ITS DOWN" and post like a wild man. I think that response is due to 20 years working in DP 24/7. I've got that latest innovation a cell, phone provided by my fine employer that keeps me always on. It's just the culture. Remember the guy in Jurrasic Park trying to hack that morons password after he took the whole park down. Well that's me complete with mountian of cigarette buts. I run on Caffiene, Sugar, and cigarettes. So I get a bit wound up at times. Well except I'm not black or tall or good looking but you get the idea. If you readers have a subject think would make a good friday argument thread drop me a line.
UPDATE FROM RUSTY:
Bring out your dead!
I'm not dead yet.......
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Howie,
Did you see the comments in the thread about the Iran President? they have a URL that says the wrong guy is being circled in the pictures displayed here. Might make for a update at least?
Posted by: dave at July 01, 2005 10:07 AM (fsJ2z)
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Thanks dave but I just saw that Rusty seems to be updating things. Maybe he feels better and if so all I can say is. Hoooray!!!! Oh yyeeeeaaahhhhhh!!!!!
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 10:12 AM (D3+20)
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I think he's faking it. Doesn't want to blog...
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 10:21 AM (x+5JB)
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Yeah but that's so unlike him. He must really feel crappy or be like indisposed. I worried about the guy all night. I'm kind of paranoid and he just let's me worry and worry. Bad Rusty bad.
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 10:38 AM (D3+20)
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Dave: oh yeah that is why everyone should post links. I can't be for sure myself. Even some of the hostages disagree. I do see a similarity in the pic. But also not quite certain.
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 11:09 AM (D3+20)
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Howie--I was kidding about Rusty.
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Fox News: Justice O'Connor's Resignation Imminent
Fox News's Brian Wilson is currently on the phone live with the Fox News desk and has acknowledged that three independent sources that Justice O'Connor's resignation is going to happen. Brian Wilson speculated that there might be a letter to the White House en route.
More to Come...
Mary Katharine Ham says:
Just heard through the D.C. grapevine that Sandra Day O'Connor just retired. Very reliable source. I'll try to find more.
Updates will be seen at Conservative Thinking
Updated by Howie: I got a breaking news email from ABC confirming Justice O'Connor has retired.
http://abcnews.go.com/?CMP=EMC-1396
Update by Rusty: Er, uh, um-----ok, so I can't always be right!
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SAWEEEEEET!!!!
Now wait for the Dems to label ANY Bush nominee as "out of the mainstream".
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:37 AM (8e/V4)
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Developer Wants To Seize Supreme Court Justice's Home
Home Would Be Replaced With 'Lost Liberty' Hotel
POSTED: 10:52 am EDT June 29, 2005
WEARE, N.H. -- Following a Supreme Court ruling last week that gave local governments power to seize private property, someone has suggested taking over Justice David Souter's New Hampshire farmhouse and turning it into a hotel.
"The justification for such an eminent domain action is that our hotel will better serve the public interest as it will bring in economic development and higher tax revenue to Weare," Logan Darrow Clements of California wrote in a letter faxed to town officials in Weare on Tuesday.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:38 AM (3D/yw)
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Where's Bork! He's needed!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 09:42 AM (x+5JB)
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greg,
notice on that ruling it was the Libs who voted in favor, and the conservatives who dissented.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:45 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
At least one must have bewen a conservative, because 5 justices selected Bush as president in 2000. I really don't care who voted for it, the law sucks.
Someone told me there is a plan to build a ten lane highway through Texas. The land acquisition plan is to acquire a 1 mile swath of land through the state to accomodate the highway, an oil pipeline and a utility right of way. It is likely that the judges who voted for the law had projects like this in mind.
If this is true, they're going to be some pissed off Texas ranchers.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:55 AM (3D/yw)
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Golldang, Rusty's gonna have to eat blackened crispy fried crow on this one.
Posted by: Editor at July 01, 2005 09:57 AM (adpJH)
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greg,
Justices Anthony Kennedy, Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer-- moderates and Libs-- were the majority.
The dissent in that case was written by O'connor-- a moderate-- joined by Rehnquist, Scalia and Clarence Thomas-- conservatives.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:06 AM (8e/V4)
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Come on Carlos, you think she's a liberal. That's why you're so happy about her impending resignation.
Alright, I'm in Rome. I pop in to internet cafes to cool down. It's almost as hot as Texas, but AC is a rarity. I paid my respects to JPII today. I made confession at St. Peter's Basilica, attended mass and took communion. The mass was in Italian and I didn't understand much, but I caught the Spirit anyways.
Then I stood outside in a line that was 1 kilometer long, so that I could see Rafael and Michelangelo's work at the Cistine Chappel. It was worth it, but it took a lot out of me. I just had a lemon granita and I'm ready to brave the heat again. I'm going to see il Coloseo and Cerco Massimo.
Ci vidiamo piu tardi.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 10:23 AM (3D/yw)
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greg,
you're a wily coyote aren't you. O'connor was appointed by Ronal Reagan, so at best she's a moderate.
"On a divided, nine-member court, O'Connor is a conservative with an asterisk: a pragmatic jurist who, when she sees fit, will vote with the four liberal justices."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-23-oconnor-usat_x.htm
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:27 AM (8e/V4)
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greg,
what the hell are you doing in Rome?
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:28 AM (8e/V4)
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I think Rusty probably was not too far off the mark. I was Surprised by O'Connor but Renquist (spelling) is probably next. It' will be down to seven very soon I suspect.
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 10:41 AM (D3+20)
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Greg, like five of the judges, obviously doesn't have an inkling of what the simple language of our Constitution says about eminent domain.
Posted by: Oyster at July 01, 2005 11:19 AM (fl6E1)
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I'm glad to see the bitch go, only I was hoping one of those airplanes that keep blundering into restricted airspace would take out the whole court.
And Carlos, Greg's in Rome to support the Italian fascist movement's campaign to raise money to fight the coalition.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 11:27 AM (0yYS2)
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Greg: They have masses in English at St. Mary's Basilica.
But the priest there won't listen to confessions if they're more than three hours long.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 12:08 PM (x+5JB)
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I hear that Judge Mukasey is going to receive a lot of consideration for the nomination. He's a Reagan appointee, former prosecutor, ties to Israel type of guy, so he would seem to fit the mold.
Posted by: Juan at July 01, 2005 12:52 PM (dO3Ek)
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Oyster:'Greg, like five of the judges, obviously doesn't have an inkling of what the simple language of our Constitution says about eminent domain.'
Oyster, It's true, I don't know what the Constitution says about E D.
I,m against it, isn't that good enough?
Carlos, I'm on vacation in Italy for 23 days.
YBP, A 3 hour limitation blows the deal.
Improbulus,
I know your type. You started killing cats when you were 5 and now you think nothing of killing humans. You can't go into a grocery store and walk down the cereal isle with wigging out (Serial Killer!).
And by the way, the Italian Fascists are pro-war, just like you, you stinking Nazi.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 01:50 PM (3D/yw)
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Juan:'ties to Israel type of guy, so he would seem to fit the mold.'
LMFAO. Yup, we've turned the steering wheel over to Israel and no one cares. Patriots, my ass. Patriots of Israel.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 01:54 PM (3D/yw)
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"You started killing cats when you were 5 and now you think nothing of killing humans."
Actually I've always loved animals, but started dreaming of killing hippies before I was 5. At the time hippies were the only species of leftard that I had contact with, but I knew from their stink they were no good. Now I just dream of decorating the streets with leftards dangling from light poles and such. One day, one day...
"And by the way, the Italian Fascists are pro-war, just like you, you stinking Nazi."
Hehe, you're projecting, m'boy, after all, you're the one who hates Joooooooos so much. By the way, how does being pro-war equate with a political ideology? You seem to be in love with Islamofascism, which is nothing but the love of war, so you only seem to be against the US going to war to defend itself or others. You may as well shut up, because every time you open your mouth you expose yourself a little more for what you really are; liar, hypocrite, terrorist supporter, racist, and fascist.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 01:58 PM (0yYS2)
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I am none of the above. Nor do I hate Jews. I don't like the relationship we have with Israel. Hai capito, cretino?
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 02:07 PM (3D/yw)
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Greg, you're a worse liar than you are a philosopher. Nobody here has any questions about how you feel about Jooooooooooooooos. Feel free to continue though, it's quite amusing to watch your bipolar arguments from day to day. Let's see, this is Friday, so tomorrow you have to post something from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the Communist Manifesto.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 02:28 PM (0yYS2)
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Mukasey has very strong support in the Bush administration. Word is he will either be the nominee for the Supreme Court vacancy or will replace Gonzalez as the Attorney General if Gonzalez is the nominee.
Posted by: Antonio at July 01, 2005 03:38 PM (dO3Ek)
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All I was saying is that he would understand the war on terror because of having israeli relatives, unlike a lot of the bleeding-heart pinkos in this country. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the national security of Israel comes before the U.S. We just need people who understand the War on Terror and the need for provisions like the Patriot Act, and I'm just saying that I think Mukasey is that type of guy for numerous reasons. Perhaps it wasn't the best way to put it and to that extent I apologize. I should have also pointed out that he put away a bunch of the 93 WTC bombers.
Posted by: Juan at July 01, 2005 03:49 PM (dO3Ek)
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Juan:'We just need people who understand the War on Terror and the need for provisions like the Patriot Act'
Israel has us wrapped around their little finger(the mean finger).
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 07:33 AM (3D/yw)
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Paul Joseph Watson | July 1 2005
'After the resignation today of Sandra Day O'Connor, many Washington insiders are predicting that current Attorney General Alberto Gonzales could be Bush's pick to take her place.
Even if he isn't selected this time, another space will open up when the ailing Chief Justice William Rehnquist quits.
The Democrats will come out in full force against Gonzales and then Bush will be able to claim that petty minded partisanship is the motive behind the dissent. This fake squabble will mask the real reasons why Gonzales should be opposed across the board.
Bush will play the race card in lauding the first Hispanic on the Supreme Court and Gonzales' detractors will be labelled as racists.
We don't care whether a person is Hispanic, black, white, male, female, or polka-dotted, just as long as they believe in freedom and the ideals of the Founders.
On every single issue Gonzales has proven himself to be an enemy of liberty.
Gonzales is anti-gun, pro-abortion and pro-torture.
He came out in support of the semi-auto ban earlier this year.
Gonzales cast the tie-breaking vote in the Texas Supreme Court against a parental-consent requirement before a minor could obtain an abortion in the state of Texas.
Gonzales wrote the guidebook for torture, saying the Geneva Convention was "obsolete" and "quaint." He advocated indefinitely holding detainees at secret locations and subjecting them to abuse.
Gonzales said that Bush was above federal ad international law. This is a man that believes in dictatorship.
Gonzales is less conservative than John Forbes Kerry!
Gonzales believes that the Supreme Court alone decide what government actions are constitutional. According to World Net Daily editor Joseph Farah, Gonzales once told him during a dinner, "The Supreme Court tells us what the Constitution says and means."
This is a man that believes the Constitution is a living document and that nine black-robed brethren have carte blanche to interpret it any way they deem fit.'
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 08:10 AM (3D/yw)
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