October 11, 2005
No Trial for Osama bin Laden!
Contrary to what a few liberals want, I personally believe Osama bin Laden, once captured, doesn't deserve a trial.

Osama Bin Laden, 15 Feet, Slow Fire

Osama Bin Laden, 25 Feet, Rapid Fire
Maybe one shot from every family member who lost a loved one on 9/11.
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That new little .17 HMR stuff is light-shooting and low recoil for the youngsters, but watch out the long-distance benchrest guys don't sneak a few in while he's staked out on an anthill.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at October 11, 2005 05:14 PM (T85lV)
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Life without parole on a pig farm. Televised 24/7.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 05:51 PM (0yYS2)
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ummmmm. well first we gotta catch him. That does seem to be a problem. 5 years seems a little long to me to have to wait. Let's hope that we get him before either his kidneys fail or he dies from old age. After 5 years it seems that we aren't any closer. Oh yeah and The Math can not forget the Math. Anybody remember what one B 1 or B2 bomber cost ? Offer to put that cost into rural economic development of the BorthWest Frontier Province roads schools hospitals. Save 10 million for free MTV for all the kids there. That should get us some real intel.
Posted by: john Ryan at October 11, 2005 06:14 PM (ads7K)
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John Ryan, that's because you have no patience. These things take time, and other pressing matters have come along in the meantime, such as stinking traitors supporting the enemy. It will require more time to solve this problem also, but you must remember that Rome wasn't built in a day and the problem we have is not likely to be solved quickly.
More the reason to continue a long-term policy that will have the desired results. This country and world did not get in the mess they are in overnight, and it is bound to take us many years to get it straightened out. So relax and enjoy life, you are not likely to be in any danger soon.
Just know that there are people who are working hard behind the scenes to make sure everything will come out right. Osama is just a symtom of the problem, and his capture is really not important anyway. It would be better if he just disappeared into the night.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 11, 2005 07:56 PM (rUyw4)
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For someone who doesn't seem to grasp basic logic, John sure is obsessed with math, as it seems to pop up in all his posts. The fact is that bin Laden is hiding out in either Iran or Pakistan and there is absolutely nothing we can do about that, short of invasion. Liberals are so stupid.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 10:05 PM (0yYS2)
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Offer to put that cost into rural economic development of the BorthWest Frontier Province roads schools hospitals.
Huh? What does the BorthWest Frontier Province (whatever that is) have to do with blowing the crap out of our enemies?
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 11, 2005 10:16 PM (QriEg)
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I don't think I'll mess with Chris
Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2005 11:07 PM (D3+20)
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Pixy, John thinks that we should pay Danegeld to the 'slamotards, not because he thinks it would make them peaceful or anything, but because he's a gutless chickenshit handwringing bedwetting leftard liberal who thinks that if we just give the bully our lunch money he'll be our friend. I we aren't going to hang cowards and traitors, we at least shouldn't let them poison the well of public discourse with their idiocy.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 12, 2005 09:00 AM (0yYS2)
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Always felt OBL has been dead for sometime but not able to prove it. Everybody is gonna demand some kind of physical proof. suspect AQ keeps him "alive" cause a breathing symbol is continuous but a martyr fades in time and memory. Occasional cheap audios and videos that pass thru so many hands don't cut it for me.
If he's dead then he's buried in a cave with an entire mountain dropped on top of him. It would take hundreds of millions and Haliburton to dig him out. And all this in one of the most difficult to reach and work in environments in the world.
Remember the Hitler myth - is he alive or dead - was that really his burned body - and so on
Posted by: hondo at October 12, 2005 04:36 PM (/jH/1)
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Judas Priest, the horseshit flows thick 'round here:
These things take time, and other pressing matters have come along in the meantime, such as stinking traitors supporting the enemy.
Four airplanes were hijacked on September 11, 2001. It's now October 12, 2005. That's what, 1,490 days or so.
The Japanese Naval Air Arm attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. On September 2, 1945, representatives of the Japanese Emperor signed a
formal surrender in Tokyo Harbor, on the quarterdeck of the USS
Missouri. That's what, around about 1,370 days or so.
SO, if a liberal Democratic Administration (FDR and Truman) is in charge of the war, we can expect a focused and overwhelming national effort at defeating the enemy.
And if a "conservative" Republican Administration (G. W. Bush) is in charge of the war, well, I guess we can ask Osama how that turns out. He's still free, unmolested, somewhere, laughing at us.
Posted by: stickler at October 13, 2005 12:59 AM (hZJsR)
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IM so "There is absolutly nothing we can do about it" ?? OK...... And Patience ??? ummmmm OK But at some point it may well be a good idea to take a look at both our strategy our tactics, and I mean some time before another 5 years goes by. Oh and pardon the occasional typo, it of course should have read NorthWest. Born in 1947 and trying to hold off on glasses. As for paying Danegeld? well of course we already are doing that, just as the Roamn Empire did before us, That Math angle does seem to upset you. What I want is for the "Danegeld" to go where it will do the most good, not to the generals who rule Pakistan, llike D9 tractors instead of F 15s. "Bedwetting.....lunch money taking bullies" IM is this a view of a pained childhood ? Gutless ?? naanaa scarddy cat. Discussion ?? Debate ?? Analysis ?? or name calling.......
Posted by: john Ryan at October 13, 2005 01:50 PM (ads7K)
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I got a feeling he ain't laughing, sticky. And when I say time, I'm not talking about 5 years. And we used nuclear weapons against Japan, is that what you are suggesting? Now that would work, of course, but I had taken that off the table.
But, hey, since you suggested it, I do admit that there use would definitely shorten the war. But your friends in Europe would never forgive you. Could you live, sticky, knowing that?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 13, 2005 04:11 PM (rUyw4)
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John Ryan,
It's obvious you are no student of history, but have the American gene that requires immediate gratification. When the Seljuck Turks started their immigration into Anatolia in the 900's and 1000's no one seemed to care. After all, the Byzantines thought, the area is starsely populated and there is room for all.
By the late 1000's the Turks were attacking the cities in Anatolia and the Byzantines brought an army from Constantinople and met the Turks in 1071 at the Battle of Manzikurt. The Greeks lost the battle and the Turks had most of Anatolia. Had the Turks been impatient and attacked too soon, they would have been crushed by Byzanthium. But they were rewarded by a long patient struggle.
The struggle of the modern world against radical Islam will be long and will have many fronts. Only someone foolish would think this war will be over in 5 years. I'm afraid it will take much, much longer than that, because the Muslims have proven themselves to be very patient in the past. The patience of Job will be required for us to win, and there will be setbacks.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 13, 2005 04:26 PM (rUyw4)
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Immediate gratification?
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. We crushed Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan in less time than it's taken George W. Bush to screw up Iraq and fail to capture Osama bin Laden.
Remember Osama? The sonofabitch who masterminded the attacks in September, 2001? The man who -- we were told -- would be brought in "dead or alive"?
The USA managed to create a 12-million-man military, the largest Navy the world had ever seen, and
atomic bombs between 1941 and 1945. We built 45,000 Sherman tanks.
And we fucking crushed our enemies.
How's the hunt for Osama going?
Posted by: stickler at October 14, 2005 02:11 AM (hZJsR)
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IF YOU PUT HIM ON TRIAL HE WOULD FACE PROBIBLY UP TO 15 TO 20 YEARS OF STUPID APPEALS IF HE GOT THE DEATH SENTENCE JUST LIKE THEY DO IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN IT COMES TO RAPISTS AND CHILD KILLERS THEN THE LIBERALS WILL COME ALONG LIGHTING THEIR CANDLES AND DENOUNCING THE DEATH PENALTY AS THEY ALWAYS DO WE SHOULD JUST LYNCH HIM AND GET IT OVER WITH
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FBI: No Known Link Between Hinrichs & Terrorists
Interesting development in the Oklahoma suicide-bombing carried out by Joel Henry Hinrichs III on Oct. 1st outside a University of Oklahoma football game. CNS is reporting that the FBI is now denying that they have found any links between Hinrichs and Islamic terrorists.
CNSNews:
The head of the FBI investigation of a suicide bombing at an Oklahoma University football game said the investigation has yielded no information tying the bomber to terrorist activities, in spite of Internet reports to the contrary.
The article, written by Nathan Burchfiel, is fairly critical of
The Northeast Intelligence Network's (NIN) Director Douglas Hagmann, who has been a source of such information as the bomb being made out of TATP and who also claims to have information that jihadi material was found in Hinrichs' apartment:
When asked if NIN's reports are consistent with the FBI investigation, [Gary] Johnson [who is heading the investigation from the bureau's Oklahoma City office] said, "No," then added, Well okay the stuff that's found in his apartment, I can't comment on [be]cause it's part of a search warrant that's sealed.
"As this time," he said, "there is no known link between Hinrichs and any terrorist or extremist organization group or activity or activities." Johnson said the investigation is ongoing.
The article doesn't shut the door on Hinrichs being part of a larger Islamic terror cell, but it certainly
seems that the FBI are not leaning in this direction.
As we stated the very first time we posted on Hinrichs, NIN has not proved to be the most reliable source in the past. Despite this, they remain on my daily reading list and I believe Hagmann provides a valuable service. It's very possible that some of the information past on to NIN them is incorrect, but that other bits of information given to them by their sources is wrong.
What we know about Joel Henry Hinrichs is dwarfed by what we don't know. For instance, Hinrichs attempting to purchase ammonium nitrates is part of the public record. What we don't know, though, is why Hinrichs was after ammonium nitrates if he was a lone suicidal nut. Maybe he just wanted to go out with a bigger-boom? It's possible.
So what is the truth about Hinrichs? Was he part of an Islamic terror cell in Norman, Oklahoma? Still too early to tell based on public information.
NIN more than stretches unrelated bits of information when they say follow the money and uniquivocally claim Hinrichs was part of a terror cell.
But it's also way too early to dismiss the notion given the context of the present war against radical Islam. When someone commits what is normally considered an act of war (suicide-bomb), during a time of war, it's not being hasty to come to the initial conclusion that the act in question was part of the larger war.
So, we'll continue to cover this story as a case of terrorism--just as the FBI continues to investigate it as an act of terrorism--until all avenues of investigation have been exhausted.
This and all other posts related to Joel Henry Hinrichs and the Oklahoma bombing can be found on this archive.
PS-I swear I'm going to post less....
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Rusty,
Even I'm confused now as to where some of the claims came from. The TATP claim? Was that NIN or FBI or a combination? The only thing I cleary remember is Hinrichs' dad saying hydrogen peroxide.
Obviously, I don't know how to make bombs (but, I'm finding plenty of web sites that offer suggestions and recipes), so I'm wondering what the deal is.
Posted by: ken at October 11, 2005 04:36 PM (xD5ND)
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Given the FBI's past proclivity to cover up, I don't really trust anything they say. Mark my words, when there is war on the streets of America, the FBI will be on the 'slamotards' side.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 05:53 PM (0yYS2)
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I continue to not understand this distrust of the FBI. How can anyone say that the FBI will be on the Islamic side if there is war on the streets?
Please! How about some objectivity?
Posted by: StormWarning at October 11, 2005 09:23 PM (85Vr/)
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NIN sucks. They are worse than Debka.
Posted by: Ariya at October 11, 2005 09:52 PM (noCGr)
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All governmental agencies will act to suppress any attempts by Americans to expel the invading islamic vermin from our soil. Ever wonder why we hear so much about the government bowing to islamic groups, rather than arresting and deporting terrorists and their supporters? Ever wonder why when a muslim is attacked, the person who did it gets the full PC hate-criminal treatment? The feds are NOT on our side, they are trying to hedge their bets, because they like all the Saudi oil money that buys them nice houses and cars and such. Read Sleeping with the Devil and See No Evil by Robert Baer; he is an ex-CIA man and lays out in intimate detail exactly how our government is bought and paid for by the Saudis. Make no mistake, they are not on our side; they are whores and mercenaries and do not give one good flying damn about us.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 10:22 PM (0yYS2)
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The government is against us? Please! That kind of paranoia is counterproductive in my opinion.
Baer is credible...NEIN (NIN) is not. Neither is most of the stuff on WND.
I've maintained from the beginning that Hinrichs was not involved with Islamic terrorism. But who listens to me? No one...LOL. Not really true. I simply do not agree with the paranoia and conspiracy theories.
And no. I don't wonder about the gov't bowing to Islamic groups (are they really?). I'd rather be concerned with preventing another Sept. 11th.
Paranoia will only drive you crazy.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 11, 2005 10:52 PM (85Vr/)
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Even if he wasn't involved with a cell, the direct and obvious evidence can't be ignored. So maybe he did act alone. I still believe that at the very least he wanted to terrorize others with his suicide, and at the very worst he wanted to take others out with him in his anger and he just screwed up. It's not a lot different from any person who wants to take their own life but shoots their whole family just before they turn the gun on themselves.
If he was not influenced by others in a terror cell, I'm only slightly relieved. It sends a message to others who are depressed and "angry" to do the same.
Posted by: Oyster at October 12, 2005 06:10 AM (YudAC)
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This may end up being a classic example of PC. Perhaps Mr. Hinrich has not been linked to any large terrorist groups and did act alone. That does not mean that Islam did not influence him or that he did not intend to harm others in the name of Jihad.
The MSM along with academia would not want it known if he had converted or was involved with Islam in any way because it might conflict with the PC mentality that allows nothing negative to be said concerning Islam.
What a strange country we have become.
Posted by: Ron at October 12, 2005 07:05 AM (goMsF)
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Not all terrorism or terrorist acts are Islamic related. I still question if Hinrichs was attempting a terrorist act, but this thread starts with a comment that the FBI had found "No Known Link Between Hinrichs & Terrorists."
All of the hullabaloo started with the implication that Hinrichs was an Islamic-styled suicide bomber. Then Malkin and others started calling for the FBI to "come clean" and tell us the truth.
Personally, I don't believe that Hinrichs, Georgia Tech or UCLA were related to Islam at all. And my opinions on terrorism/counterterrorism are public record. I've also made it clear that if the facts as they are revealed prove that my opinion is wrong, I'll admit it openly. Its not yet time for me to do that.
But to suggest that the FBI is on the side of the Islamic terrorists is simply "paranoid babble," based on what I do not know.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 12, 2005 07:50 AM (85Vr/)
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C'mon, the blogosphere is never wrong. He's clearly involved and Cindy Sheehan put him up to it (because she's a lefty). I'm sure both are (were) receiving instructions from the president of Iran, whom we all know was a hostage-taker in 1979.
Posted by: Venom at October 12, 2005 09:17 AM (dbxVM)
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Does anyone remember that 13 year old nutjob who flew the Cessna into the side of a building in Miami not long after 9/11? Evidently he had all that jihadi crap in his house and left a suicide note about hating America and loving Bin Laden.
Sounds to me like this clown might just be another version of that..
Posted by: disgruntledinca at October 12, 2005 09:36 AM (IpG/2)
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You're probably more right than wrong disgruntled, but I'd say he had some "friends" to influence him, as radicalism generally dies in a vacuum. Remember, we are the company we keep.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 12, 2005 12:56 PM (0yYS2)
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In all likelyhood, the kid was disturbed and nuts! In the good old days suicide was a private affair - a note, a noose, a gas stove whatever. Now its a multi-media event in search of that post-mortum 15 minutes of fame. Were there no bridges in Norman to jump off at 3 in the morning?
Posted by: hondo at October 12, 2005 04:49 PM (/jH/1)
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The real issue Hondo is factual, not conjecture.
Too many blogs wallow in the mud of speculation and conjecture. This one doesn't appear to do so...and at least is the only one to date to "report" the FBI statement of no connection. I know that mine does not deal in conjecture at all, and I know that personally, whenever I take a position that is proven to be wrong, I will (and have) admitted my mistaken beliefs. That doesn't make me a "saint" it just makes me honest.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 12, 2005 05:02 PM (85Vr/)
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StormWarning: I'm a little confused at a couple of your statements. The first one being,
"...and the real issue was that the kid did a fly over of MacDill AFB (SOCOM) before he crashed the plane into the Bank of America." Why is that the "real" issue? I thought the "real" issue was why he did any of it. And that being his al Qaeda sympathies, regardless of what brought on the psychopathy (ie. medication).
And then this:
"I'm not even going to address the question of Bishop having al Qaeda literature. If y'all want to believe that he had converted to Islam, then so be it." One doesn't have to convert to be sympathetic. I would think that would be only a minor point compared to the action taken. After disgruntledinca brought it up, I looked through the comments and didn't see where anyone claimed that Bishop converted.
Frankly, I'd forgotten about the incident until DI brought it up and I thought it may very well be a good comparison to the Hinrichs episode as far as motive goes.
Posted by: Oyster at October 13, 2005 07:23 AM (YudAC)
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You've got to start with the belef that the plane crash into the Bank of America building was inspired by Islam or was an act of Islamic terorrism.
If you do not accept that premise, the issue was his flyover at MacDill AFB, a real security lapse. I also do not think that you can reject or discount the effects of the Accutane on the entire event. Whether or not Bishop was disgruntled or suicidal or an Islamic sympathizer, and the same holds for Hinrichs, I simply do not see it as an act of Islamic terrorism.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 13, 2005 08:26 AM (85Vr/)
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I still think that while the MacDill flyover was certainly an issue to be addressed and not ignored, the influence of Islamic fascism in those easily influenced is the "real" issue. I think that without that underlying premise to his act, the flyover wouldn't have occurred.
According to Encarta, only 15% to 25% of those who commit suicide leave a suicide note. So it's no surprise that there's been no mention that Hinrichs left one. But Bishop did and he plainly stated his sympathy with al Qaeda.
True, there's technically a difference between such acts committed by those who proclaim themselves as Muslim and those who merely sympathize. But the ideological influence underlies both. With that said, you are correct to label it as a non-act of Islamic terrorism, per se. But it's hard to deny that it was inspired by the ideology and previous acts committed in the same manner, only on a much grander scale (on 9/11), and the drug reaction may have simply amplified these feelings and forced him into action.
Of course, it goes without saying that this is my opinion.
Posted by: Oyster at October 13, 2005 09:11 AM (fl6E1)
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If you haven't read this before, I think you may find this illuminating.
I did think that you might be interested in reading this article, "Terrorists are Made, Not Born..." that appeared in the Journal of Homeland Security a while back.
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/newjournal/Articles/displayArticle2.asp?article=109
Posted by: StormWarning at October 13, 2005 10:16 PM (85Vr/)
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Cindy Sheehan: Bush Administration "Evil Cabal"

Cindy Sheehan, the left-wing conspiracy nut hailed by the MSM as a simple mother who lost her son in Iraq and just wants the troops to come home, has written a letter confirming her status as a moonbat and accusing the Bush Administration of being an "evil cabal". In the letter, she also admits to being a Left-wing peace activist, and not the 'peace mom' as she is often portrayed in the media which routinely overlooks her
anti-semetic and
nutty conspiracy statements. It's an old letter, but new to me.
From A Word From Cindy Sheehan:
The media are wrong. The people who have come out to Camp Casey to help coordinate the press and events with me are not putting words in my mouth, they are taking words out of my mouth.
In other words, Cindy Sheehan is not being used by the far Left--as many people have said--she is part of the far Left. This is not just some poor mother who has been captured by the anti-war crowd, her conspiratorial views are intimately intertwined with theirs. She goes on to remind those that would accuse her of being manipulated by the hard Left (are you reading this Chris Matthews?):
Contrary to what the mainstream media thinks, I did not just fall off a pumpkin truck in Crawford, TX. on that scorchingly hot day two weeks ago. I have been writing, speaking, testifying in front of Congressional committees, lobbying Congress, and doing interviews for over a year now. I have been pretty well known in the progressive, peace community and I had many, many supporters before I left even left California.
What else does Cindy Sheehan say in her letter? She calls the war her son so bravely died:
George Bush's war for imperialism and insatiable greed.
So, the
real reasons we went to war are different than the stated reason. Of course, to the Left, all wars fought by capitalist nations are for
imperialism and for
greed. Nothing new here. She then goes on with the stupid chickenhawk argument. We'll skip that part.
My son died for NOTHING, and George Bush and his evil cabal and their reckless policies killed him
Ok, so maybe the Iraq policy was a
misjudgement,
poorly planned, and possibly
unwinable. That's what she means, right?
Nope.
my son died for LIES. George Bush LIED to us and he knew he was LYING...I believe that George lied and he knew he was lying. He didn't use patriotic rhetoric. He lied and made us afraid of ghosts that weren't there. (emphasis Cindy Sheehan's)
Are you getting this now MSM? Cindy Sheehan is a Left wing conspiracy nut. She then goes on, in typical activist fashion, about the truth and how the right-wing media is afraid of the truth, yada, yada. Very Chomskyian.
She then asks a series of rhetorical questions. Rhetorical because Sheehan and her moonbat friends know why we went to war and Bush lied. It's the Jews, of course. Or, if not the Jews, its about the oil. And if not about the oil about imperialism. And if not about imperialism then, well, you get the picture. There are real reasons for fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, that have nothing to do with democratization, national interests, or fighting terrorists and the states that sponsor them.
What makes this all so ironical is that I found this letter published in a "Jewish magazine".
The Jawa has spoken.
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Dammit I supported this war, where's my barrels of oil? And extra-sensory Jewish influence-raygun? I want influence!
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at October 11, 2005 10:41 AM (T85lV)
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I just got off the phone with a Liberal who was trying to convince me there's no such thing as "good" and "evil". I wish they'd get their story straight.
Posted by: Carlos at October 11, 2005 10:50 AM (8e/V4)
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I confess. I had to look that one up.
Say it ain't so, Cindy!
Posted by: dick at October 11, 2005 11:20 AM (XlQVK)
Posted by: ericj at October 11, 2005 11:28 AM (hrQvk)
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I just got off the phone with a Liberal who was trying to convince me there's no such thing as "good" and "evil".
Wanna have "fun" with a moral relativist? Ask them under what conditions is rape acceptable.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 11, 2005 11:54 AM (1j9aH)
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ericj: My sentiments exactly.
(PS, Rusty - getting an "internal service error" when trying to use the pop up comment section.)
Posted by: Oyster at October 11, 2005 12:31 PM (fl6E1)
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Okay, false alarm. It's okay now.
Posted by: Oyster at October 11, 2005 12:51 PM (fl6E1)
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http://www-fi1.starwreck.com/
Ahem... advertising...
Posted by: A Finn at October 11, 2005 01:38 PM (lGolT)
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And DONNA DEES THOMAS pretended to be a surburban soccer mom but she had big time connections to the demacratic party and the CBS NEWS so she was another fake that the liberal left-wing news media listen to and parrot her mindless malarkey what a bunch of phonies their liberal idiot journalists and CINDY SHEEHAN is just your avrage left-wing promoter its a wonder she has,nt gotten advise from such lowlifes as GEORGE SOROS amd TED TURNER
Posted by: sandpiper at October 11, 2005 01:39 PM (JyNSh)
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No ... just from michael moore - on, moveon.(b)org, code pink, etc. etc. etc.
bet soros is in there somewhere behind the scenes anyways ...
Posted by: Jonathan at October 11, 2005 02:15 PM (3ir/I)
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Cindy is a breeder not a mother. IF she ever loved her son she would not be able to do what she has done. Even if she disagreed with the war she would at least show respect for her son no matter what.
I do not feel she has ever been brain washed by anyone. Her hate is real and she simply found others that agreed with her and they saw she was them and they her. Bet all the DNA is the same.....Code Pink, Cindy, Michael Moore. Soros etc. all the same hate DNA so to speak
Posted by: Wild Thing at October 11, 2005 02:26 PM (tj1zH)
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I was just looking for an excuse to post this, thanks Rusty:
Michael Moore Serenades Cindy Sheehan
(to the tune of "Stacy's Mom")
Casey's mom has got it movin' on
Casey's mom has got it movin' on
Casey's mom has got it movin' on
Casey's mom has got it movin' on
Casey, I love the way she says "bullshit!" (says "bullshit!")
and that the evil Jooz did it (the Jooz did it)
Did your mom get back from her Crawford trip? (Crawford trip)
Is she there, or is she still giving Dubya some lip? (Dubya some lip)
You know, Moveon dot org's lovin' everything she says
and Codepink, and those wacky jihadis!
Casey's mom has got it movin' on
She's got an enormous mouth and comes on strong
Casey, can't you see she's the perfect girl for me
I've got a tiny schlong but I'm in love with Casey's mom
Casey's mom has got it movin' on
Casey's mom has got it movin' on
Casey, Bush is Hitler, Cheney's the anti-Christ (anti-Christ)
and Jooz are evil - there I said it twice (said it twice)
You fought for Halliburton's oil over there
Saddam was much better for the people I swear
And I know that you think it's just a fantasy
But since your dad walked out, your mom could use a guy like me
Casey's mom has got it movin' on
She's all I want, and I've waited so long
Casey, can't you see she's the perfect girl for me
I know it might be wrong,
but I'm in love with Casey's mom
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 11, 2005 03:01 PM (RHG+K)
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Clap Clap Clap!..... Now let's all just move on.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 11, 2005 03:35 PM (rUyw4)
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bwaaaaaaa! bwaaaaaaaa! bwaaaaaa!
LOOK AT POOR LITTLE CINDY CRY.
Posted by: DCB at October 11, 2005 08:17 PM (8e/V4)
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cry ?
oh ... u mean when she KNOWS the cameras are on ... otherwise it's all smiles and laughs ... and sometimes when she doesn't know the camera is there we get proof ... like her arrest/molestation picture that was all over the news ... nice big smile
= )
Posted by: Jonathan at October 12, 2005 01:04 AM (3ir/I)
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check the contacts thread for how Cindy treats her own supporters.
Posted by: Howie at October 12, 2005 03:59 PM (D3+20)
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Link left on the contacts thread. Apparently Cindy's people don't really like those who speak their mind independantly of her political machine movement that maquerades a grass roots one. Grass roots are promptly pulled.
ruthies blog
And she is miffed at Cindy's handlers woah boy!!!!
Posted by: Howie at October 12, 2005 04:08 PM (D3+20)
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What exactly is a Cabal anyway? Some kind of veggie dish?
Posted by: hondo at October 12, 2005 05:06 PM (/jH/1)
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We will all be reading about Cindy in the “ Top 100 Where are they now” feature in people magazine sometime next year. She will be # 87 just before #88 Big Tom from Survivor Africa and just after #86 Eve Plumb.
Posted by: Brad at October 13, 2005 11:16 AM (6mUkl)
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Hey Ruth, your blog is pretty hilarious. I loved your Camp Casey diaries.
Posted by: Carlos at October 13, 2005 06:11 PM (8e/V4)
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Now be nice to Ruthie she came here to point out that Cindy is not genuine like she is.
Posted by: Howie at October 14, 2005 10:06 AM (D3+20)
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40 Year Old Virgin Reviews The 40 Year Old Virgin
"C" at Way Off Bass admits the un-admittable in the process of reviewing
The 40 Year Old Virgin:
he is a 40 year old virgin. No, I haven't seen the movie yet, but after reading his review I think I sort of
have to.
So, why am I writing this post after I swore off blogging for the time being? Because such self-revealing, brave, and honest writing is rare in the blogosphere. Go give it a look.
Ok, yes I'm blogging but this kind of post takes seconds.
And if you're a single-gal, in the Los Angeles area, Mormon, who is into poetry, doesn't mind geeks, and looking to get married, I can recommend no one better than "C" to ask out on a date. It's a start.
And once the two of you do get hitched, for the love of all that is holy, please help "C" out with his, er, problem....
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Aren't single Mormon males over 25 considered a "menace to society"?
Posted by: Bill Dautrive at October 11, 2005 11:20 AM (G95Uf)
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Rusty's always looking out for his fellow bloggers to get some a**.
Posted by: Wittysexkitten at October 11, 2005 02:33 PM (jm3oX)
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Bill,
Yes. Case in point: Steve Young
Witty,
What can I say, I'm a humanitarian.
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Two things give me hope:
[1] One anagram of my name is "Romance"
[2] You can't spell "Consumation" without "C"
So, you know, I'm feelin' pretty good right now.
Thanks for the link, hermano.
Posted by: ccwbass at October 11, 2005 03:26 PM (PuHU/)
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Can't help but wonder if possibly Rusty is having a flashback to his own lengthy period of virginity as a long time ago Los Angeles based geek himself?
The ladies love a confident man. We don't care if he has a little man boobs if he shows us some expertise at something. Which is why professors get laid.
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Neocon Agenda: Bomb. Smurfs. Now!

In the time it took to write this post, Richard Perle and other prominent Neo-smurf Zionist smurfs at the Defense Policy Smurf, planned to smurf Smurf children with thousand pound smurfs. Meanwhile, smurfs at Haliburton grow richer off the smurfs of dead smurfs. All we are saying, is give smurf a chance!
Brought to you by UNICEF.
Hat tip to Shawn at Bare Knuckle Politics who has the UNICEF produced video of bombs falling on Smurfs here for France Junior TV. Seriously.
More commentary from Kevin Aylward at Wizbang and Jeff at Caerdroia. (PS-Come on, this post took like 2 minutes.....)
UPDATE: Dave at Garfield Ridge is just funny.
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What color does a smurf turn when it holds it's breath???
Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2005 08:56 AM (1EkxW)
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Do UNICEF's smurfs wear suicide belts and saw people's heads off too?
Posted by: Carlos at October 11, 2005 09:17 AM (8e/V4)
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Well, Carlos, if they didn't, now they will. When all the other smurfs see and hear about the mistreatment of this set of smurfs, and not having any way of taking out their frustration, they are bound to turn to suicide bombing and head chopping. Can you blame them?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 11, 2005 10:05 AM (rUyw4)
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Now they call themselves Splodey Smurf, Jihadi Smurf, and Abu Papa bin Sultan Smurf.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 10:43 AM (0yYS2)
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The bombs are smurfed at the smurf infrastructure and the deaths were collateral smurfage.
Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2005 11:23 AM (D3+20)
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There's a reason they're bombing smurfs. Don't you know about the
Smurf Conspiracy?
All kidding aside, these people are just plain sick. If this was not intended for children then just exactly what adult audience were they targeting with smurfs?
Posted by: Oyster at October 11, 2005 12:37 PM (fl6E1)
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Let's quickly consider and approve the nuclear option so the Smurfs before they get too much sympathy, immigrate in hordes and destroy the only right way of life there is...
Posted by: A Finn at October 11, 2005 01:03 PM (lGolT)
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Oh no baby smurf is a orphan with no one to taje care of him and i,ll get even gargemel and asrel did,nt escape their hiding in the ruins of their castle and big mouth is hiding in his cave
Posted by: sandpiper at October 11, 2005 01:43 PM (JyNSh)
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Oyster,
I think I read yesterday this is actually part of a campaing againt the use of child soldiers in Africa.
Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2005 02:02 PM (D3+20)
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Its kinda funny! Its all part of the loony left's mindset - things happen because people aren't "educated" - they need to be "Educated". See people - war is bad so no more war. Remember a commentator after Rwanda - her solution - we need to "educate" ...
"Gentlemen .. you over there with the bloody machetes .. you see here on page 345, paragraph 2 - your not suppose to masacre people - kill women and children - and in the appendix section 5 there is additional information about killing children, cutting of heads and body parts."
"Hmmmm! Matubo? Did you know this?"
"Not at all Kinte! but I may have been tending my herd and not in school that day."
"Hmmmm! I guess then we just all go home."
"What's that Obo? Rape? Oh sorry - implied consenual rough sex. What page is that on? Hmmmm .. I will check the index .. you can continue while I look."
"Obo! We are still looking but the woman wants to know if you are using a condom."
to be continued ...
Posted by: hondo at October 11, 2005 02:39 PM (4Gtyc)
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Hondo, I like this version:
We are the new troops from the UN here to get a piece, uh, I mean, keep the peace.
No matter what you see and hear, you are not seeing and hearing that. Ok, Kunta!
And Mienme, did you say you were 10? Great, because we don't rape you if you're younger than that! But we will give you this bowl of rice if you will keep your mouth shut, and we will kill you if you talk. We are so nice, we are the blue helmeted troops from the UN!
And we have this smurf movie produced by the UN for you to see. You will feel much better after seeing film. Won't you?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 11, 2005 03:48 PM (rUyw4)
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hondo,
so true. Libs actually think more "information" will make good moonbats out of us. We're not good Liberals because we're "ignorant", the thinking goes. Except the more they try to "educate" me, the harder Right I go.
Posted by: Carlos at October 11, 2005 03:50 PM (8e/V4)
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There is no Smurf but Smurf, and Smurf, (smurf be upon him), is his prophet. SMURFU AKHBAR!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 04:01 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 11, 2005 04:13 PM (rUyw4)
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Check out Rockwood's monday comic
Posted by: MKL at October 12, 2005 01:28 AM (yJDqu)
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I wish the teletubbys flew in to be flesh shields.
Posted by: Jorma at October 12, 2005 04:56 PM (3AOYE)
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What color does a smurf turn when it holds it's breath???
The same color as when you throttle 'em.
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High-Mileage Flight Attendants Win Bias Case
(Brisbane, Queensland) In a previous
report, eight flight attendants sued Virgin Blue Air Lines on the basis that they were discriminated against because of their ages and the air line only hired younger and more-shapely women. The older attendants contended that they didn't have a fair chance for a job during the application process. They filed a formal complaint with the Anti-Discrimination Tribunal in Brisbane.
The ruling of the Queensland Anti-Discrimination Tribunal favored the flight attendants, finding today that they were discriminated against on the basis of age. The tribunal awarded $5,000 to the initial claimant, Alma Frank. Claims for monetary remuneration have been filed by the other seven oldsters.
My take is that there are circumstances where an employer wants youth, vigor, and attractiveness. In particular, regarding job qualifications for positions dealing with the public, those attributes shouldn't be considered unreasonable. Taken to the extreme, anti-discrimination rules concerning employees' ages would mandate that Hooters Restaurant hire 50-year-old waitresses. If so, the business would end up sagging, figuratively and literally.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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Speaking of Hooters - I don't know if this was just a local Hooters phenomenon, but the waitresses were required, if asked to by patrons, to do jumping jacks or bounce on one of those kid's big bouncy balls with the handle on it. In my opinion they were requiring the girls to degrade themselves.
Posted by: Oyster at October 11, 2005 06:31 AM (YudAC)
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"Taken to the extreme, anti-discrimination rules concerning employees' ages would mandate that Hooters Restaurant hire 50-year-old waitresses."
You go to hooters for that. Do people fly international for that?
Posted by: actus at October 11, 2005 06:45 AM (Zi15r)
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Hmmmm,
The one thing I do like about flying on Middle Eastern airlines is they are able to restrict the stewardesses to comely women only.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 11, 2005 06:51 AM (TGyaf)
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It's interesting that as the age requirement for social security climbs, there are fewer, and fewer employers willing to hire people
anywhere near the retirement age. People losing their jobs in their late 50's or even in some cases lower 50's can look forward to the employment prospects in the Walmart "greeter" department, which has the qualifications of "breathing" to perform.
If you don't take some sort of stand on ageism in employment. while they're still talking about raising the minimum age of social security, imagine where you will be in twenty plus years? especially in this age of no corporate loyalty where your job will be handed to Mexico to save a couple thousand bucks a month, or people are routinely kicked out of their job before they need to pay out on pensions.
Personally, I think if they continue to raise the age of retirement they need to pursue employers aggressively, because how will anyone who loses a job later in life, survive if no one will employ them?
Posted by: dave at October 11, 2005 07:28 AM (CcXvt)
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Oyster, Hooters girls are just one notch above strippers anyway, and probably just don't have the nerve to pull the trigger. If a girl takes a job where she is required to dress like a whore, she shouldn't be shocked to be treated like a whore. Men go to Hooters because they can't get good wings at a strip joint, but that's about the only difference.
Flight attendants aren't objectified like Hooters girls are, but there is still an aura of sexuality about them, though I can't really figure why. Like actus said, people don't fly because of the T&A, they fly because they need to get somewhere and the choice of airline usually depends upon several criteria such as cost, time, etc., but I don't think anyone but Austin Powers might choose an airline based on the shagability of the flight attendants. I think that on the whole most airlines are stuck in the 70's and need to get their acts together. I don't care if my FA is 18 or 80, as long as I can get a pillow and a couple of shots of vodka when I need them.
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Who says a 50 year-old can't be hot? Ever heard of a MILF? I'm 50 and there's no sagging goin' on here. I may not be a chicken wing server ala Hooters but I know my way around - the world and in general and if anything got wierd on a flight I could handle it. Btw, young doesn't necessarily equal physical superiority. I distance run, cycle, and lift weights.
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Greed Cronies Theft Unqualified Appointments
If you have been watching quietly like I have the leftÂ’s smug attitude and utter glee at recent Republican troubles and have been waiting for the other shoe to drop here you go. It seems this story has all the elements of all the stories the left has been shouting about for weeks now all in one place. So have the Democrats become the new party of honesty and good moral judgement?
Chicago Tribune:
Child-welfare advocates on Saturday said they were concerned and angered by newly disclosed allegations that more than $60,000 in Department of Children and Family Services funds ended up in a bank account controlled by a former high-ranking DCFS administrator with close ties to Gov. Rod BlagojevichÂ… Â… "For Illinois' child-welfare advocates, who have fought so long to ensure that money actually gets to the kids and the people who serve them, this is a sad reminder that DCFS is still vulnerable as an agency to hustlers who apparently think they can act with impunity in fleecing the system," said Ronald Davidson, a University of Illinois at Chicago faculty member and a state DCFS consultant since 1994
ILL Republican Newsletter:
GOVERNOR'S CRONY HAUNTS STATE AGENCY. The Department of Children and Family Services is the latest state agency to fall under federal scrutiny as it was revealed this week that a political crony of Governor Blagojevich's, Bamani Obadele, had shifted agency funds into personally controlled bank accounts. The U.S. Attorney's office subpoenaed DCFS documents this week in connection with the scandal and are investigating questionable relationships Obadele had with vendors. DCFS services suffered under the leader ship of Obadele resulting in numerous internal complaints. The unqualified Obadele was appointed to the post at the agency after helping the Governor win Chicago's south side during the 2002 campaign. Unfortunately, the ones who suffered from the crony appointment were the children who needed these services the most.
Uh, guess not huh.
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Actually, I have a better one than that. Two of Charles Schumer's aides on the Democractic Senatorial Campaign Committee fraudulantly obtained the Republican LT. Governor of Maryland's SSN and used it to illegally obtain a credit report. This is a felony, and to make it even worse for the Demos, Schumer has previously come out for severe punishment for people who commit these types of crime.
The silence of the Left is deafening. Haha!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 11, 2005 10:13 AM (rUyw4)
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I wish I could say I am shocked, or even surprised, but no. There are three kinds of people attracted to government: Idealists, parasites, and thieves, and the first are outnumbered by the second and third by an astronomical margin, and few of any sort are worth the rope it would take to hang them. Our nation will fall one day as surely as Rome fell, and there will be a long period of chaos, anarchy, and tyranny, but with any luck, the governmental classes will all be killed off in the turmoil.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 01:08 PM (0yYS2)
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IM Ghengis Khan killed that class first as he regarded them as useless.
Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2005 01:19 PM (D3+20)
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True Howie, and in fact, idealists are usually worse than useless, they're dangerous. I'd trust a known scoundrel over an idealist anyday, because a scoundrel can be bargained with, but an idealist can't.
Take our current situation in the Middle East. It was idealists who proposed creating Israel, and who subsequently supported it. It was idealists who wanted us to save Kuwait from Iraq. All our problems with the ME lie in the fact that idealists have continually steered us on a course that guarantees trouble, regardless of the morality of the situation.
I'm not playing Devil's Advocate here, just pointing out that there are pragmatic courses of action, and idealistic courses of action, and the two rarely lead in the same direction. I'm a pragmatist at heart, though I do admire high-minded idealism on its own merits, but few idealistic people consider the consequences of their actions before they act, whether right or wrong to do so.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 04:11 PM (0yYS2)
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Ummmm, john, are you trying to be satirical, or sarcastic or something? You might want to loosen the foil up a bit so the blood can flow.
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Otulb the Terrible Explains Columbus Day
Bluto is oppressing the masses today by playing golf with his son. While Bluto amuses his atavistic capitalistic impulses with a game that celebrates the symbolic rape of oppressed peoples everywhere, I, Otulb the Terrible, shall explain to you why today is not a holiday, but an occasion to mourn with the wearing of sackcloth and the gnashing of teeth.
We are called to "celebrate" the birth of an Italian merchant prince, a rogue whose name is Anglicized to "Christopher Columbus", who we are lead to believe is responsible for the "discovery" of the "New World". Blasphemy! Columbus merely happened upon a world previously discovered by its pure, innocent, peaceful, indigenous peoples who were living in a state of equilibrium with sacred Nature. Columbus allowed all of the evil that flowed from the reactionary proto-capitalist centers of trade and commerce in Europe.
Centuries before, Leif Ericson had noted the existence of the Americas and correctly identified the inhabitants as sharing the peaceful, nature-loving tenets of his own misunderstood Viking culture. Ericson lovingly protected the environment of the American aborigines by concealing its existence from the monstrous monarchical regimes already oppressing most of Europe. The gentle Viking knew, from the oppression practiced against his people by the vicious barbarians to the south, that the rapacious Europeans would spell doom for the worthy cultures flourishing in the "New World".
But the greedy merchant princes of Italy and Spain were not to be denied. Not satisfied with their growing oppression of the peaceful Japanese and Chinese cultures, they sought a shorter route to impose their will on their Asian brothers and discovered an innocent childlike race to brutalize.
All modern evil has flowed from the voyage of Columbus. It was his "discovery" that allowed the rise of the maniacal West, through the exploitation of the resources of the Americas. Surely, Adolph Hitler would have succeeded in wiping the stain of Western civilization from the map had it not been for the intervention of the diseased oligarchy running the United States. Likewise, Brother Lenin's holy experiment in raising up the oppressed masses came to grief only through the intervention of the imperial American hegemonistic bourgeoisie and their running dog lackeys in NATO. Even today, the vile scions of American imperialist exploiters afflict and oppress our peaceful Muslim brothers in pursuit of the Holy Oil.
Otulb the Terrible invites you to join him in cursing the memory of the evil merchant prince who has brought so much suffering into the world.
Down with Christopher Columbus! Vile Oppressor of Generations and Tool of the Worldwide Capitalist Conspiracy!
Otulb has also posted this right-thinking historical document at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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What colombus discovered was no paridise many indians made slaves of others and this indidgionus peoples day nonsenses is just plain rediclous
Posted by: sandpiper at October 10, 2005 07:58 PM (760E/)
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Revisionist reactionary pap propagated by the ruling Western oligarchs! Next you will be spouting the typical anti-Muslim propaganda of BusHitlerBurton. Capitalist tool.
Posted by: Otulb the Terrible at October 10, 2005 08:18 PM (RHG+K)
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You forgot to blame the Templars, Freemasons, and most importantly of all, the JOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOOoooooooos!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 09:06 PM (0yYS2)
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Actually Columbus was a Catalan:
According to historian Charles Merrill, analysis of his handwriting indicates that it is typical of someone who was a native Catalan, and Columbus's phonetic mistakes in Castilian are "most likely" those of a Catalan. Also, that he married a Portuguese noblewoman is presented as evidence that his origin was of nobility rather than the Italian merchant class, since it was unheard of during his time for nobility to marry outside their class. This same theory suggests he was the illegitimate son of a prominent Catalan sea-faring family, which had served as mercenaries in a sea battle against Castilian forces. Fighting against Ferdinand and being illegitimate were two excellent reasons for keeping his origins obscure. Furthermore, the disinternment of his brother's body shows him to be a different age, by nearly a decade, than the "Bartolome Colombo" of the Genoese family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus
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Blog Sabbath Caption Contest: Islamic Jihad Edition

Caption this photo of the leader of Islamic Jihad, Mohammed Al Hindi.
A fatwa will be issued Monday against the winners.
Fatwas have been issued!:
T. Azeredo - "An inch of Hindi is 2.54 cm of Love"
Charlotte- "Don't worry, children. Blowing yourself up feels just like a little bee sting.
You can trust me- I'm a pediatrician."
MonkMojo - "I'm crushing your head, I'm crushing your head..."
Honorary fatwa for gratuitous Harriet Miers mention:
YJLAW - "And I was this far from the nomination. But nooooooo, George said Harriet Meirs will piss my constituents off more. By Allah's goat, its the story of my life..."
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"I am ashamed to admit it, but this is why we jihad, if you know what I mean. You can't say you're shocked, after all, we're scared of dogs and we hate women, so you should have figured it out by now."
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 08, 2005 02:34 PM (0yYS2)
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"Theees eees how small my deeeck eees...no thanks to the Joooooos!"
Posted by: Macker at October 08, 2005 02:34 PM (2GH66)
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When fully erect, my penis is only this big........sigh.
Posted by: REMF at October 08, 2005 02:35 PM (aLiCo)
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Damn you Macker. DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!j/k
Posted by: REMF at October 08, 2005 02:39 PM (aLiCo)
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It takes just this much sense to become a suic, eh homici, eh, a glorious Martyr in the Name of Allah.
Posted by: bullwinkle at October 08, 2005 02:43 PM (mFhpu)
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Hey, this ain't much, but it's bigger than bin Laden's.
Posted by: Man Mountain Molehill at October 08, 2005 02:45 PM (3S3DT)
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My recipe? A cup of semtex, two cups of C4 and a pinch of nitro-glycerin!
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 08, 2005 03:23 PM (x3Muy)
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". . . and then that little girl's terrier pulled back the curtain. There was Allah, only
this big and wearing stilts!"
Posted by: The Therapist at October 08, 2005 03:32 PM (6mUkl)
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I need to amend my previous entry.
"My recibe? A cup of semtex, two cups of C4 and a binch of nitro-glycerin!"
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 08, 2005 03:42 PM (x3Muy)
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I'm about this far from getting my ass kicked every day.
Posted by: Howie at October 08, 2005 03:50 PM (D3+20)
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Yet another amendment!
"My recibe? A cub of semtex, two cubs of C4 and a binch of nitro-glycerin!"
There no more Ps!
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 08, 2005 04:03 PM (x3Muy)
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We were thisclose to beating Israel in the last war. What do you mean I kid? I tell the truth! Why are you leaving?!
Posted by: The Babaganoosh at October 08, 2005 04:26 PM (v1W1X)
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I heard Islam is about this far from being ethnically cleansed from within the U.S. borders.
Posted by: Alex at October 08, 2005 05:01 PM (GYxT8)
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Arab science triumphs again! Following in the tradition of our greatest inventions, like the hijab, the hooka and the genie lamp, I present to you our newest weapon against the Great Satan and its jewish lackeys - the invisible Al Falafel Martyr bullet! Those Jews, they can only invent crappy, useless stuff for agriculture, medicine, biotechnology and environmental protection.
Posted by: Graeme at October 08, 2005 06:28 PM (BCEqh)
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1) And if I put my fingers like this over the map of the Zionist entity in Palestine and pinch, I can make them disappear. If it were only so damn easy in real life.
Damn them. Damn them to hell!
or...
2) And if you rub my goat's nipples like so, you'll be greatly rewarded
Posted by: lawhawk at October 08, 2005 07:37 PM (jAEWP)
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All of us jihad leaders have one this big ... thats why WE don't blow OURSELVES up
Posted by: Jonathan at October 08, 2005 07:43 PM (6krEN)
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I came THIS close to being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. THIS close. Jew bastards!
Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at October 08, 2005 07:52 PM (ZAnEO)
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Don Adam's voice-"Missed it by that much"
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Mohammed "Little Wanker" Al Hindi Illustrates his technique.
Posted by: D. Carter at October 08, 2005 10:06 PM (xT77+)
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Mohammed Al Hindi declares, "If President Bush can be hiding the salami, I can be hiding the vienna sausage!"
Posted by: D. Carter at October 08, 2005 10:54 PM (xT77+)
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"...and after breakfast the next morning in my tent, Sean Penn handed me a stack of ten dollar bills this thick."
Posted by: Christopher J at October 08, 2005 11:52 PM (qZkwv)
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This is why martyrs are promised virgins in heaven...
They are inexperienced and don't know any better!
Posted by: Indy Media Watch at October 09, 2005 01:59 AM (0bOOB)
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"I'm crushing your head, I'm crushing your head..."
from: Kids in the Hall
Posted by: MonkMojo at October 09, 2005 04:57 AM (sWjGN)
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"God is Great! It is written that He is at least _this_ big!"
Posted by: Ursus Maritimus at October 09, 2005 06:58 AM (OAFyx)
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"And then this itsy-bitsy spider crawled
back up the waterspout and envenomed
every wretched Jew she found there.
Allah willing."
Posted by: Buckley F. Williams at October 09, 2005 07:37 AM (O2fD/)
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This is why our wives are all "cut and sewn" twelve years olds.
Posted by: Cindy at October 09, 2005 07:50 AM (C73Yr)
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Ah, thees is how long the indidel Rusty Shackleford has to live now that weee have declared a fatwa against him.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 09, 2005 08:32 AM (0raMr)
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"Woman, man, goat, no matter: all Hindi is GOOD hindi!
(Mohammed explains his nickname).
Posted by: D. Carter at October 09, 2005 09:30 AM (xT77+)
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"An inch of Hindi is 2.54 cm of Love"
Posted by: T. Azeredo at October 09, 2005 04:58 PM (lUppl)
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Don't worry, children. Blowing yourself up feels just like a little bee sting.
You can trust me- I'm a pediatrician.
Posted by: charlotte at October 09, 2005 05:33 PM (M7kiy)
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I've got about this long to live after jooowish missile targeting see's my photo!
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And I was this far from the nomination. But nooooooo, George said Harriet Meirs will piss my constituents off more. By Allah's goat, its the story of my life...
Posted by: YJLAW at October 09, 2005 06:43 PM (L+bvJ)
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This is about the size of john kerrys amount of real honesty and backbone
Posted by: sandpiper at October 09, 2005 09:40 PM (FpZEl)
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See This? This is the invisible vial of anthrax that the Zionists have created against the Palenstians to kill them! I have it right here...these jews..they are too smart..but I will hunt them down as I have here..and show the world that Palenstinians are smart and can also defeat the Jews...
Posted by: Billy Faeth at October 09, 2005 11:56 PM (i0Re4)
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"The Towel that was stolen from my head was this thick!"
Posted by: Steve Sharon at October 10, 2005 12:24 AM (Zh66C)
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"Here is a graphic representation of our Islamist brain power!"
Posted by: Reaganite at October 10, 2005 09:52 AM (qiPjW)
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And already the Global Caliphate is THIS BIG! Soon it will be the size of a parking kiosk, thanks be to Allah!
Posted by: charlotte at October 10, 2005 10:27 AM (6krEN)
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... My goat assures me length doesn't matter
/TJ
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We love the Jews this much.
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...in paradise,
this is 12 inches. So at an average of 9 inches, we will all be
very well hung!
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All Blog and No Fun Make Rusty a Dull Boy
I'm going on
blog sabbatical starting immediately. No more than a single post daily for the rest of the month. Things should return to normal after then. Sorry, but I have some deadlines that have to be met and such. And then there's that family commitment thing. In the meantime
I'm here, I'm just not
here, if you get my drift.
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But, buuuut, Rusty,
What about the fatwas?
Have a good rest!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 04:33 PM (rUyw4)
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Take your time off and enjoy it now that you're a big dog.
Oh, would ya mind swapping my link over from Spare White Guy now that I've gone back to blogsnot?
Posted by: dick/elliott at October 10, 2005 04:44 PM (XlQVK)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 10, 2005 06:04 PM (JQjhA)
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Howie shall both endure the crushing work load put upon him by the evil pointy haired man and help out the good Dr. Yes 59 hr week last week. Got 6 weeks to go as you know master. Actually if I could just do my work and miss the stupid human questions that come in over my pet brick then life would be great or somthing like that. Ahh the curse of knowing how to make (some) machines do things.
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 08:03 PM (D3+20)
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dag nabbit out of ink now I gots to pring in blue.
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 08:06 PM (D3+20)
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Take your time, come back and give them a rekindled hell.
... I just took 4 whole weekdays (+ the weekend) completely off blogging; about the time I got over the jitters it was Monday.
/TJ
Posted by: TJ at October 10, 2005 08:20 PM (PL7dL)
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Right then! Say no more sir, say no more, (nudge nudge)! A wink's as good as a nod to a blind bat! Say no more!
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Terrorism at Georgia Tech (UPDATED)
UPDATED: Scroll down for updates. This is looking less like terrorism, and more like a minor prank.
One bomb exploded and two more have been found at Georgia Tech.
Via Jason at Generation Why and Reaganites Unite this news report:
Three explosive devices found in a courtyard between two Georgia Tech dormitories on the East Campus Monday morning were part of a "terrorist act," an Atlanta police official said.
One of the devices exploded, injuring the custodian who found them inside a plastic bag. Two others were detonated by a bomb squad.
The custodian suffered ringing to the ears and was treated at a local hospital. The events led to a temporary evacuation Monday morning.
"It is a terrorist act at this point and depending on the outcome of the investigation it potentially could become a federal violation as well," said Major C.W. Moss of the Atlanta Police Department.
Keep in mind that the Atlanta's Centennial Park bombings in 1996 were very close to Georgia Tech.
Developing......
UPDATE: Witnesses from the scene are suggesting that this may be no more than a minor prank. Let me confess something: Many years ago, before the GWOT, I constructed more than my fair share of dry-ice powered bottle-bombs. Here is what one reader, Stephen-- who I checked into and is actually at Georgia Tech --says happened at the scene:
I walked by the janitor at about 8:40 as I went to go eat breakfast. I heard the pop not 15 feet away from him (I was basically in front of dumpsters by Cloudman - he was by trash cans outside Glenn). I turned around when I heard it, it looked like he had just pinched a plastic bag with his clamper picker upper things - it was louder than a ziploc explosion but not that loud.
So, looks like a false alarm folks. Carry on.
One important aspect of the case, however, is how the Atlanta Police jumped to the conclusion that this was an act of terror. It looks like they were wrong, but I am happy that law enforcement is erring on the side of caution in Atlanta.
Now contrast that with how the University of Oklahoma jumped to the conclusion, less than 90 minutes after the suicide-bombing of Joel Henry Hinrichs III, that it was not an act of terrorism--even though it was much, much worse and much more suspicious.
I'd feel much safer if I were a GT student than an OU student right now.
Michelle Malkin is following this much more closer than The Jawa.
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Well, for one thing, The Georgia Institute of Technology is NOT the same as the "University of Georgia".
Posted by: kyle at October 10, 2005 01:21 PM (Pe5fE)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 01:21 PM (0yYS2)
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Connections...connections...
I'll bet someone will come out later and categorically deny that this was an act of terrorism and assert that it was the work of a lone/depressed nut.
But when it comes to the murdering bastards in Columbine and the murdering bastards who blow up schoolchildren in Russia, it seems that the results are of much the same quality.
Deal with the greater, and you can deal with the lesser.
Posted by: Paul at October 10, 2005 01:29 PM (xIEal)
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They didnt even like cancel school or anything, or even notify us of the danger, but rumors are running rampant. For all I know there could be more bombs out there, and the news is providing no information.
Posted by: GATech Student at October 10, 2005 01:36 PM (kHR1+)
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Exploding plastic bottles that when exploding in the HANDS of the person handling them cause ringing in the ears? Didn't you guys ever live in the dorms in college?
Posted by: ken at October 10, 2005 01:49 PM (xD5ND)
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I would like to withhold judgment on this one until I have a lot more information than is available at this time. This may be nothing more than a prank, and I'm leaning toward Ken's view at the present time. We shall see.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 01:56 PM (rUyw4)
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Ken, please cite your source for that info.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 01:57 PM (0yYS2)
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More radicals at our universties urging this type of cowardly actions the persons should be cuaght and sent to prison for life
Posted by: sandpiper at October 10, 2005 01:58 PM (U+eLg)
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Uh, Improbulus, read the story that Rusty links to. Or I could simply quote it for you
"The custodian suffered ringing to the ears and was treated at a local hospital. The events led to a temporary evacuation Monday morning.
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The custodian found the three devices about 9 a.m. in a plastic-type garbage bag, Moss said. When he picked up the bag, one exploded, as it was designed to do when handled."
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=70306
Posted by: ken at October 10, 2005 02:46 PM (xD5ND)
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"The custodian suffered ringing to the ears and was treated at a local hospital. "
Wait a minute. He was holding it and all it did was cause ringing in his ears? This looks more innocuous than any of the dorm room antics on Real Genius. But lets not rush to non-panic.
Posted by: actus at October 10, 2005 02:48 PM (Zi15r)
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Ken, you might not want to throw stones. Read the bit you quoted -- the "device" wasn't in his hands, it was in a bag he picked up. There could be quite a bit of space between his hands and the bomb.
And even if it's a teeny tiny bomb, it's still a bomb. The Bangladesh bomb campaign was built around bombs that look like big fire crackers.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 10, 2005 02:56 PM (1j9aH)
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Okay, Robert... let's marshal our assumptions and speculation to make this sound like and open-shut case of terrorism... and we'll connect it to the bogus NYC subway threats as well... and to the case in Oklahoma. (And, yes, I've read Rusty's previous post about the OU bomber and understand the point about making certain assumptions in a time of war.)
But I mean, really... so the bomb wasn't in his hands because it was in a bag that was in his hands? Are we going to call Clintons lawyers in now? Last time I picked up a garbage bag, even though the bottom wasn't in my hands, it was pretty damn near my legs and feet.
And while the Bangladesh bomb campaign may have been built around small bombs, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume the bombers suffered more than ringing in their ears.
Posted by: ken at October 10, 2005 03:08 PM (xD5ND)
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A friend IM-ed me about this at about 1:20. Flicked on the TV and nothing on the Atlanta affiliates but soaps, not even a crawler.
Meanwhile, if Mark Richt (UGA football coach) f@rts, they'll interrupt a presidential address.
Posted by: Brendt at October 10, 2005 03:18 PM (HjWds)
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Sorry if I think that a "terrorist act" is something a little more significant than a poorly executed molotov cocktail (yes I know its not one per say) that does little more than leave a ringing in your ears. Even if these were engineered devices, I would need a lot more circumstantial evidence to call this a terrorist act. Sounds like the term "terrorist" is used to make this story sound bigger than it is.
Posted by: RyanGT at October 10, 2005 03:19 PM (Uq14s)
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But I mean, really... so the bomb wasn't in his hands because it was in a bag that was in his hands?
Are we going to call Clintons lawyers in now? Last time I picked up a garbage bag, even though the bottom wasn't in my hands, it was pretty damn near my legs and feet.
When the contents of the bag began to move, they were...
a) Dangling in mid-air near your legs and feet.
b) At eye level.
c) Inside the trash can.
And, again, just because it's a teeny tiny bomb doesn't mean it's not a bomb.
And I don't get what you're arguing about here. Planting bombs -- even teeny tiny ones -- is an attempt to sow terror. We don't know if it was Islamic terror, or someone getting back at an ex, or if this is just some idiot playing with his home chemistry set.
If this had happened around a Planned Parenthood clinic, would there be any doubt of the intent?
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 10, 2005 03:19 PM (1j9aH)
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Robert,
I'm going to have to disagree. Planting explosive devices--especially on a college campus--is not necessarily an attempt to sow terror. It could be an attempt to be assholes. Young men like things that blow up. Young men are notoriously stupid and don't always consider the consequences of their actions.
This is not the first reported incident of a bottle bomb. High school kids were busted for this in January. There are web pages written by schmucky white guys devoted to just this sort of device
http://www.totse.com/en/bad_ideas/ka_fucking_boom/
Posted by: ken at October 10, 2005 03:32 PM (xD5ND)
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I walked by teh janitor at about 8:40 as I went to go eat breakfast. I heard the pop not 15 feet away from him (I was basically in front of dumpsters by cloudman - he was by trash cans outside glenn). I turned aroudn when I heard it, it looked like he had just pinched a plastic bag with his clamper picker upper things - it was louder than a ziploc explosion but not that loud.
I think what would be funny is if they find out it was a bunch of coke bottles that have been sitting sealed for weeks (go college people) buidling up co2 gas. but I guess the dogs wouldn't have found that.
Hasn't anybody ever made a dry ice bomb?
Posted by: Stephen at October 10, 2005 03:39 PM (MV51k)
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Reports here in Atlanta go as follows.
The "janitor" who found the devices was using a grabber- the soda bottles filled with the explosives were in a trash bag, so he never actually handled the bag with his bare hands.
Also- the local SeeBS station here is calling this a "prank"- Yet they do admit that the police are taking this incident seriously and will charge whoever is responsible with "Terrorist Threat."
Also heard that something suspicious was found in Gwinnett County- I am looking into this......
let ya'll know what I find- if anything important.
Posted by: Sherri at October 10, 2005 03:53 PM (De35R)
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Sherri,
Thanks for the invite.
Robert,
As far as having it in his hands or really close to him, I stand corrected.
Posted by: ken at October 10, 2005 04:00 PM (xD5ND)
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I have an update. I checked Stephen out and he is at Georgia Tech. I'm assuming that this is a prank. Check out the update.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 10, 2005 04:06 PM (JQjhA)
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Good news if this is just a "prank". Better news if the authorities jump on the idiots behind it with both feet.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 10, 2005 04:17 PM (Gn9tM)
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Rusty, by the way CBS's blog is having a navel-gazing moment on whether CBS should have covered the explosion.
Posted by: ken at October 10, 2005 04:23 PM (xD5ND)
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Ken, I know. I read that. It's really pathetic, don't you think?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 10, 2005 04:27 PM (JQjhA)
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personally, i think that this is nothing but a couple of students who, upon hearing the amazingness of the CO2 triple point in chem one friday at Tech decided to experiment by throwing some dry ice filled bottles out of their window that night. though they recovered all the bottles they believed to have thrown, they probably left a couple behind accidentally, and they were found three days later.
...but that's just my opinion...
Posted by: peaches at October 10, 2005 04:57 PM (4ne27)
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Georgia Institute of Garage-hobbyist Technology? Today's incident was not exactly Georgia Tech brochure material, given either the pathetic politics or humor and especially the crude engineering and fizzle of this bomb. I suspect it was a prank-poke at those riled by the OU bomb, which would really be *smart* on the part of an astute Tech student, seeing how the Oklahoma campus bomb actually killed someone and was detonated near a packed stadium by a person who tried to secure large amounts of bomb-making material just days before...
Thankfully, the C-string college jihadists and PC pranksters/sympathists are rather inept. So far. (And apologies to Dad who was a 'rambling wreck'!)
Posted by: c at October 10, 2005 06:29 PM (M7kiy)
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"Good news if this is just a "prank". Better news if the authorities jump on the idiots behind it with both feet."
Because he punked us idiots freaking out on the web?
Posted by: actus at October 10, 2005 07:59 PM (Zi15r)
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Given the tensions of last week on all of us not surprising.
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 08:20 PM (D3+20)
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There were several rooms in glenn concocting and throwing dry ice bombs out thier windows fri/saturday this past weekend. One of them didn't explode, and it popped when the guy picked it up. No malicious intent, no terrorism, just a harmless prank that happened to scare some old janitor dude.
Posted by: GATech Student at October 10, 2005 08:54 PM (M7kiy)
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So, just a prank eh? The morons just left their litter from their childish experiment laying around then? They should be expelled for that alone. I look around every day when I go out in public, and what I see is generally a lot of seriously stupid people. People like these fine young students. Not stupid in a "doesn't know better" kind of way, but stupid in the way that knows better, and does it anyway. These idiots should spend the next semester in jail to think about their role in society.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 09:17 PM (0yYS2)
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hm well i tend to agree more with the viewpoint given by "peaches" and "GATech student." If someone had seriously wanted to cause "terrorist activity," don't you think they would have made something a little more dangerous than a loud coke bottle?
even if it was what people are calling a "crazy and depressed student" they probably would have made their "bombs" a little more effective... i mean, the kid does go to a tech school, right?
seriously, people. Things like this happen EVERYWHERE... Including my school,where we get, um, "bombed" at least once a week. And life goes on as usual. I promise.
Posted by: just because... at October 10, 2005 09:31 PM (Oh7Gf)
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some one said:
"There were several rooms in glenn concocting and throwing dry ice bombs out thier windows fri/saturday this past weekend. One of them didn't explode, and it popped when the guy picked it up. No malicious intent, no terrorism, just a harmless prank that happened to scare some old janitor dude."
you know what? not only do i agree, but i just went down to my hall advisor dude, and you could certainly say that i mentioned that i had thrown several dry ice bombs out my window on friday, and one did not explode, and that i could potentially be 'the terrorist'. i guess you could say that i 'turned myself in', so to speak...
now leave me alone.
Posted by: peaches at October 10, 2005 10:10 PM (4ne27)
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WOW..I just read peaches latest post. I am impressed.
Posted by: AON at October 11, 2005 02:38 AM (wR6Ci)
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Where is Jack Bauer when we need him. Connecting those dots. OU bomber, GA TECH bombers, Islamic San Diego suicidal chem labist, missing planes, etc.
Sounds like the Ramadan jihad has begun.
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PC Hacks at OU Paper Covering Up Oklahoma Bombing

The University of Oklahoma student newspaper,
The Oklahoma Daily (OD),
today calls for the FBI break its silence on Joel Henry Hinrichs III--the OU student who blew himself up outside a football game on Oct. 1. The reason? To dispell the myths propogated by online 'hacks' that are claiming that the Oklahoma bomber, Hinrichs, may have been part of a larger Islamic terror plot.
Underlying today's editiorial is the assumption that Hinrichs was not part of a larger plot and that any evidence to the contrary is simply poor journalism.
The Oklahoma Daily even goes so far as to call those circulating this evidence "liars".
Such accusations come as no surprise to Jawa Report readers. The prevailing wisdom in both academia and in the media is that worries about homegrown Islamic terror cells are overblown. In many corners, especially prevelant in our nations' universities, there is even suspicion that the Bush Administration is really behind domestic terror fears as a way of diverting the publics' attention away from real issues.
It remains to be seen whether of not Joel Henry Hinrichs III was part of a larger Islamic terror plot. Stating unequivocally that he was part of such a plot is, in fact, shoddy journalism.
However, it is equally shoddy journalism to state, unequivocally, that Hinrichs was not part of such a plot. And to state, unequivocally, that there is no evidence that would lead some to this conclusion is the type of head-buried-in-the-sand type of journalism that we've come to expect out of the mainstream-media and in who's image aspiring journalists are molded.
There is, in fact, a great deal of circumstantial evidence to suggest that Hinrichs' death was a failed terror attack. Glaringly missing from today's OD editorial is the fact that Hinrichs was under investigation by local authorities because he had attempted to buy ammonium nitrate, a key ingredient in the truck bomb used to bring down the Murrah building in Oklahoma City by Timothy McVeigh. Hinrichs, of course, blew himself up before the investigation could be completed. A first, we might add, since there is no record of an American killing himself by explosion.
Further, neighbors of Hinrichs claim he was a frequent visitor to a nearby mosque. The leaders of the OU Muslim Student Association, though, deny that Hinrichs was a Muslim. At best, then, we have conflicting reports. But just because the OU student newpaper cannot confirm that Hinrichs attended the mosque in question does not mean that media reports to the contrary are fabrications. They could be fabrications, but, then again, so could the denials.
The problem with this student newspaper, and the mainstream-media in general, is that they cower in fear over reaction to any implication that the Muslim community might have a greater propensity towards terrorism than, say, the Mennonite community. They are, in fact, held hostage from the truth by their unwavering faith that all religious ideologies are equal in driving violence as those on the other end of the spectrum are held hostage from the truth by their unwavering faith that Islam, alone, is responsible for the ills of the world.
They are right in the central premise of the editorial: the FBI ought to release pertinent information. But they make a major assumptive leap, which is quite revealing, that whatever information the FBI has would be exculpatory rather than damning.
Release the information, they say, because we know (without having seen this information) that it will prove there is no Islamic terror cell at the OU campus.
The fact remains that we have no idea what evidence the FBI has. The only bit of revealing information about which way the evidence is leading the FBI is a single statement from first assistant attorney for the Justice Department in Oklahoma City, Bob Troester, who said:
We don't comment on sealed indictments.
An indictment, even a sealed one, would mean that the FBI is already contemplating further arrest in the Oklahoma bombing. After all, one does not
indict a corpse.
Of course, Troester's statement could have been a slip of the tongue. He could have meant sealed search warrant rather than indictment. People make mistakes, slips of tongue happen. But until such time as the Justice Department seeks to clarify the statement, then we ought to assume that they meant what they said.
The fundamental question raised is whether or not we have learned anything from 9/11 or not? Do we continue to treat terrorism, as we did prior to 9/11, as an act of criminality or do we treat terrorism as an act of war?
If a mere criminal act, then the public ought to reserve judgement. Innnocent until proven guilty, it is better to let a hundred guilty men go free than convict one innocent, etc., etc, and all that. The greatest fear among people with this point of view is that innocents are unfairly branded enemies and that publications, like this, might call someone a name they don't desrve.
If an act of war, then the public has a right to expect that affirmative measures will be taken to assure that such acts will not take place in the future. In war, there is no presumption of innocence. In fact, when an act of war (such as a bombing) takes place on a field of battle (as the American homeland now is) in such a way that the only known incidents of the act have been perpetrated by enemy combatents (as suicide-bombings are relatively rare outside the Islamic terror community), then one ought to presume terrorism until otherwise disproven.
We at The Jawa Report take the latter stance. The context of war changes everything. If the OD does not understand that we are at war and that the field of battle is U.S. soil itself, then they have learned nothing from 9/11. Their greatest fear may be that innocents are unfairly branded terrorists, and that is a legitimate concern.
Our greatest fear, though, is that our enemies walk freely among us, using that presumption of innocence to plot our demise and kill us. In either case, the possibility of being wrong is present, but only in the latter will being wrong get people killed.
So, since the good editors at the OD decided to call us hacks (and worse) for suggesting that Hinrichs might just be part of a larger plot, let us practice that age old journalistic practice of tit-for-tat and suggest that it is the OD that is staffed by hacks. But hacks isn't sufficient a word to describe people who's agenda it is to make all seem right at OU, despite the fact that a student just blew himself up outside of a football game. No, hacks is reserved for mundane political types who say what they say in order to get their guy elected. As far as we can tell no one is running for election at OU--unless of course David Boren is thinking of coming out of retirement--so hacks isn't appropriate here. A far stronger term is needed to describe people willing to cover up what looks to be an act of terrorism in America's heartland and call that responsible journalism.
Any guesses on what that word is? Please put your answers in the comments section.
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Posted by: FreakyBoy at October 10, 2005 12:47 PM (NW/eu)
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Politically correct hypocrits! The job of the student newspaper is to seek the truth. What have these wanna be journalists at the student newspaper done to advance the story? What prevents the student newspaper from getting out there and obtaining the facts? My advice to the students at the OU student newspaper: go to work and get the information. That is your job.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 12:51 PM (rUyw4)
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I must admit, this one does look Amish.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 01:07 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 01:14 PM (D3+20)
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The purpose of the student newspaper is to tell the truth unlike this website's article does. This website loves to make assumptions based on no facts. When the facts are out, maybe your story will be true. But probably not. But to claim some of the things you do, based on rumors and not fact, is sad. The OU Daily is much more responsible than this website!! They are true journalists because they won't publish something unless they know it's true! YOU GUYS JUST THROW YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORY'S OUT THERE HOPING THEY WILL SOMETIMES BE RIGHT!!
Posted by: David at October 10, 2005 01:16 PM (d3BvI)
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Ya know, libtards just keep wedging themselves tighter and tighter into this cleft stick they have cut for themselves. On the one hand they unconditionally support islamofascists who will gladly behead them as soon as they get the chance, and on the other hand, they shall almost certainly be hanged for treason by their fellow citizens whom they betray once things have progressed to the point of open warfare, which seems not far over the horizon at this point. We've all heard that the Tree of Libery must be occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots, but we must not leave out traitors as well.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 01:29 PM (0yYS2)
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The OU Daily is much more responsible than this website!!
Why? Because they unequivocally state something they cannot know?
Saying "it may be" is not saying "it is"; all I've seen here is "it may be".
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 10, 2005 02:07 PM (1j9aH)
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David:
Let's see - what do we know for sure? Hinrichs blew himself up with explosives most commonly found in the bombs made by Islamic terrorists.
Suicide by explosive is extremely uncommon in the US - in fact, this may be the first case of suicide by bomb.
The reports that Hinrichs
may have visited a mosque or not are just that - reports. We don't know for sure. That might be included in the sealed indictment (or warrant).
The FBI is conducting this investigation, which doesn't happen when you're talking about a garden variety suicide.
There are coincidences as to time, place, and manner of the bomb blowing up that warrant further investigation - namely occurring outside a major college football stadium full of fans who were ready to leave after the game ended.
Was there a suicide note, and if so, where is it?
We know that the roommate was Pakistani and investigators had questioned him.
We know that the MSA has issued statements denying any knowledge/involvment, but that has to be offset by their flacking for the community - it's their job to minimize bad PR. It was also worded in such a way that Hinrichs' could have been a regular visitor to the mosque without having converted.
The theory is that Hinrichs may have been involved in a terror cell - and that theory is supported by the circumstantial evidence and facts that we know thus far - most importantly because of the sealed indictment (or warrant).
And just because there might be a terror cell involved doesn't necessarily mean that this is an Islamic terror cell. That is one possibility though - other facts that might or might not play a role in this case is that Maoussaoui visited the same mosque, and the attendance of several of the 9/11 hijackers at the nearby flight school. Those facts increase the possibility of an Islamic terror cell existing/operating in Norman, OK. We need more information to confirm/deny this.
Posted by: lawhawk at October 10, 2005 02:13 PM (eppTH)
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The OD writers are quick learners in the ways of today's "journalism". I've read the articles written in the school paper and seen how they are guilty of those things they accuse others of, yet they do not address these things each time they claim that there is "no evidence" to suggest this was more than just a suicide. They describe that "several items were removed from his apartment later", a "controlled demolition was conducted later", Hinrichs was not only depressed but "angry", a separate search of his apartment produced a "suspicious black bag" - the list goes on. Couple that with the spelling and grammar errors in the paper and I'd have to be blind and dumb as hell to say,
"The OU Daily is much more responsible than this website!!"
They go on to warn about where we get our information on the story:
"It is usually easy to discern blogs and other extremely personal and unchecked sites from legitimate news sources like newspaper or news station Web pages." Yet they do not speak of so much information produced by their own local Channel 9 that they regularly refute or deny. I'm confused - should I listen to legitimate news sources or not? Channel 9 sure seems legitimate to me.
"This website loves to make assumptions based on no facts." Are you serious? No facts? Hinrichs roommate wasn't Pakistani? Hinrichs wasn't depressed - he wasn't "angry"? He didn't blow himself up jihadi-style just outside a packed stadium? He didn't seek to buy ammonium nitrate days before? He didn't grow a Muslim style beard? He didn't live right around the corner from an Islamic center? No, this does not say that without a doubt it was a wider plot. I don't know about you, but it certainly doesn't tell me it wasn't.
We are not throwing out conspiracies hoping they'll be true. Legitimate speculation and questions are one thing. Outright denial in the face of facts we DO have is foolish.
Posted by: Oyster at October 10, 2005 02:37 PM (fl6E1)
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"A first, we might add, since there is no record of an American killing himself by explosion."
It happened to some teenagers where I grew up. They were working on a bomb in their garage -- and they blew up.
Posted by: actus at October 10, 2005 02:50 PM (Zi15r)
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Another point of undeniable fact is that he was next to buses that would have been packed with students and fans immediately after the game. It
suggests that he intended to attack the buses. It does not prove it, of course.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 10, 2005 02:59 PM (1j9aH)
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I see there's still a lot of discussion about "facts" going on here.
First of all, as far as I can tell the ONLY place I've seen claims that Hinrichs attended a mosque was on Channel 9. MSM, by the way. Which was then picked up by blogs. No one has a named source. The other news outlets have the leader of the Mosque denying Hinrichs involvement. So it's not just a matter of "conflicting reports" or he-said/she-said. What you have is a case of he-said/some unidentified person heard a claim.
There's a difference.
The use of the word hacks? Yeah, no surprise there. Keep in mind you're dealing with a school paper and whereas the professional MSM might feel a need to keep the gloves off, I'm assuming these student journos--you know, at that age when they simply KNOW everything--are chomping at the bit to war with bloggers. (And as I said in my post about it, note too that these print journo guys take a swipe at TV journalists as well... there are territorial battles everywhere.)
Posted by: ken at October 10, 2005 03:00 PM (xD5ND)
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It happened to some teenagers where I grew up. They were working on a bomb in their garage -- and they blew up.
actus: There's a difference between "accident" and "suicide". Don't get silly on us.
Posted by: Oyster at October 10, 2005 03:07 PM (fl6E1)
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I see there's still a lot of discussion about "facts" going on here.
And that's supposed to mean, what, exactly?
You pointed out a fact in dispute. Which, oddly, lawhawk pointed out was in dispute. Which -- as far as I know -- has been pointed out as in dispute since it was disputed.
What about his location? About his attempt to buy ammonium nitrate?
And just why didn't his roommate notice -- and do something about -- his mixing up TATP? From what I've read, it's a smelly process. After the 7/7 attack, it was reported that people around the site where the bombs were mixed smelled strong chemical smells, but had no idea of the signifigance.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 10, 2005 03:08 PM (1j9aH)
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Hmm...this didn't start as a rant, but you never know.
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All the blogging I've seen on this story has been presented as "here's what we know," followed by "here's some speculation on what we know."
I've seen no indication that people are asserting as fact what can only be guessed at. But like any opinion page in any MSM newspaper, bloggers are free to express...ta da!...
opinions. Readers are free to (a)read and pass on to something else,(b)ignore the topic because they're tired of it,(c)stop and comment, or(d)start their own blog and get in on the subject...and then there's always the old-fashioned option of discussions around the water cooler.
What inevitably rachets up the public's curiosity in any strange story is lame statemeents by the authorities as they deploy desperate CYA options. When you combine that with interesting circumstances and a post 9/11 world, you've got a radioactive story. That's when DENIAL sets in. Denial is used by those with a vested interest that the "truth" be something palatable with their version of reality.
One blogger I read just *knew* the guy couldn't possibly be a terrorist bomber because he was a member of this man's fraternity and his fraternity brothers would never do such a thing. Now there's some head-banging denial for you...instead of the picture of a bearded Mr. Hinrichs that has been posted everywhere, he managed to dig up a photo of the boy before he grew the beard -- by going with that picture and never referring to the more widely-distributed bearded Hinrichs, it was as though we were being presented with a different person from the one with the beard. It was surreal, to say the least.
The truth will out one way or another, it's just that it may take awhile. Sometimes follow-up can be hard to find... for example, I'm still looking for further info on the Colorado story about the Saudi couple arrested by the feds for keeping their maid as a slave...hard to find any further info beyond the original "scandalous" headline. And the searches into the Saudi political connections in this country are time-consuming and tedious.
Academic institutions are infamous for their CYA skill -- or lack of it. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Meanwhile, when you consider the number of suicides that happen every year at college, see if you can dredge up another one up that chose to go this way...if suicide was the only motive why blow yourself up with a bomb containing shrapnel????
Now there's a common sense, practical question and it deserves an answer. Since we don't really have one, we try to play what the lawyers call "the reasonable man" and speculate from that point of view. This does not mean being a "hack" anything; it is merely asking questions about a serious, dangerous incident.
If I were the parent of a kid at that school, I'd either be finding another school to transfer to or he'd be coming home for some R&R or I'd be on that campus demanding answers. And that podunk school paper be damned.
Too many univesities act like they're doing you, the parent, a favor to take your money. To hell with that. First bomb that goes off at my kid's college and he's outta there and we're in court looking for refunds. I don't believe in litigation, but I believe even less in what colleges have turned into. Before we get rid of the lawyers, college administrations need to go.
All that said, I feel damn sorry for his family.
Posted by: Dymphna at October 10, 2005 03:43 PM (yK00L)
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As an OU graduate who frequently reads the Oklahoma Daily, I can say that your critique of it is quite good. They occasionally show a hint of independence from "boss" Boren, but usually have been his obedient propaganda lapdog. I would like to see a scan of the reported Justice Department order sealing the search warrant (or whatever it was). Although, unlike Boren, I make no claims of having the power to read Hinrichs' mind posthumously, the evidence strongly favors the suspicion that he had the intention of killing others with his bomb. See my URL link for more information. I think Boren's main motive is to keep revenues flowing in from football ticket sales. His 2002 stadium expansion project encumbered the athletic department with a $5 million annual debt service for 30 years.
Posted by: Michael Wright at October 10, 2005 03:58 PM (82sCy)
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As an OU graduate who frequently reads the Oklahoma Daily, I can say that your critique of it is quite good. They occasionally show a hint of independence from "boss" Boren, but usually have been his obedient propaganda lapdogs. I would like to see a scan of the reported Justice Department order sealing the search warrant (or whatever it was). Although, unlike Boren, I make no claims of having the power to read Hinrichs' mind posthumously, the evidence strongly favors the suspicion that he had the intention of killing others with his bomb. See my URL link for more information. I think Boren's main motive is to keep revenues flowing in from football ticket sales. His 2002 stadium expansion project encumbered the athletic department with a $5 million annual debt service for 30 years.
Posted by: Michael Wright at October 10, 2005 04:03 PM (82sCy)
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My question is when did Tom Hanks get off that island and decide to become a suicide bomber?
Posted by: Duane at October 10, 2005 05:59 PM (bUHuL)
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Come on Duane, has Mt. Saint Helens gotten to you or what? That should read, "When did Doogie Howser go back to colleg?"
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 10, 2005 06:08 PM (JQjhA)
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ComplicityÂ…
If one stands back from the OU bombing, there were actually two crimes that happened. A bombing, and a cover up.
I don’t mean the “cover-up” of a terrorist act, I’m saying the mainstream media and in this case the OU newspaper have been criminal in their omissions of facts and evidence in this case. Omission is a form of lying.
Therefore my word to replace the word “hack” would be “accomplice”. With the passage of time, the crime of omission grows larger and much more dangerous than the bombing itself.
Posted by: MonkMojo at October 10, 2005 07:51 PM (sWjGN)
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"actus: There's a difference between "accident" and "suicide". Don't get silly on us."
I find it real hard to believe that no american has commited suicide with explosives. Wasn't the USS Iowa explosion ruled a suicide?
Posted by: actus at October 10, 2005 08:04 PM (Zi15r)
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"A first, we might add, since there is no record of an American killing himself by explosion."
Actually there was a yuppie who was drunk at a bar nd had sex outside the bar in an alley with an equally drunk woman who had been making out with him in the bar. Next day, she accused him of "date" rape. He committed suicide by placing an M-80 or similar large firecracker at the base of his skull.
Also note:
Suicide By Pipe Bomb: A Case Report.
American Journal of Forensic Medicine & Pathology. 20(2):136-140, June 1999.
Also note:
Institut fur Rechtsmedizin, Universitat des Saarlandes, which begins "Suicidal deaths caused by pipe bombs are rare." but then recounts one.
All that said, I agree that this case seems at least as likely to be due to conspiracy as to merely a suicide attempt.
Posted by: DWPittelli at October 10, 2005 08:41 PM (23C/f)
Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at October 10, 2005 09:28 PM (eer2X)
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Dymphna says:
One blogger I read just *knew* the guy couldn't possibly be a terrorist bomber because he was a member of this man's fraternity and his fraternity brothers would never do such a thing. Now there's some head-banging denial for you...instead of the picture of a bearded Mr. Hinrichs that has been posted everywhere, he managed to dig up a photo of the boy before he grew the beard -- by going with that picture and never referring to the more widely-distributed bearded Hinrichs, it was as though we were being presented with a different person from the one with the beard. It was surreal, to say the least.
That would be me, I suppose. You neglected to mention that I noted that my case was inherently illogical. In point of fact, I used a deliberately illogical case specifically to point out how the illogic of the arguments for Joe being a suicide bomber. As to digging up the photo of Joe without the beard, it was the first picture of him that appeared at the Norman paper. Since the Chapter pulled its content offline and replaced it with a statement, I could not get at the latest Fraternity photos of Joe. I didn't refer to the other picture because I hadn't seen it, and I didn't post any pictures with the followup posts because they didn't seem that relevant to me: lots of people have beards without (
gasp!) being Muslim terrorists.
While I'm willing to concede the possibility of Joe being a failed suicide bomber (there's that failure of the term again, since he succeeded at killing himself), there's equally valid reasons to believe that this was a complex suicide or even an accident. So perhaps my argument was surreal, but at least I started with the premise that the argument was illogical, rather than simply assuming whatever conspiracy theory I might be buying at the moment must simply be true.
Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at October 10, 2005 09:37 PM (eer2X)
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Looking at the bearded photo shows that the guy was obviously "out there." Either that, or he was a big fan of Abraham Lincoln. Responsible journalism deals with facts. Fact, the guy looks like he would have loved to be packing an AK47 with John Philip Walker Lindh - remember him? Fact, your average non-terrorist American does not blow himself to pieces outside of a crowded football stadium with a homemade bomb. Fact, there was another explosive device that could have been detonated near departing fans. The guy may have been a victim of his own delusions - but what suicide bomber isn't? Whether he was "connected" or misguided doesn't change the terror his act has inspired.
Posted by: Michael West at October 11, 2005 04:18 AM (nMj4q)
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Back to the "word" you were looking for, how about co-conspirator?
Posted by: Jim at October 11, 2005 04:48 AM (iD0gu)
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"Responsible journalism deals with facts. Fact, the guy looks like he would have loved to be packing an AK47 with John Philip Walker Lindh"
Nominee for Great Moments in Wingut Bloggging.
Posted by: actus at October 11, 2005 06:47 AM (Zi15r)
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Thanks for reminding me where I'd read the fraternity brother connection. Would've linked to you if I'd remembered.
No one has jumped to conclusions on this so much as they have speculated...and with good reason. It's a bizzare case. To call it a "complex suicide" or an "accident" begs the question. Why was this "accident" sitting with all those unstable explosives in the first place? Is this suicide "complex" because of the shrapnel placed in the explosive material?
He was a failed homocide bomber based on the little we know. If we were permitted access to moer actual information we might change our assessment, but to date that's the best GUESS based on what we are permitted to know.
People are attributing Boren's behavior to concern for his sports' program. I have no idea if that is true, but it sure is in keeping with many college presidents' behavior. I've been in situations with academics who seem only to have CYA in their bag o' tricks when it comes to handling crises like this.
For me, personally, the worst was when the head of a medical school tried to intimidate me because one of *his* surgical residents had brutally abused/raped his wife and this very important person (or so he claimed)wanted the whole thing to go away so the man's career wouldn't be "ruined." --his word. Boren's self-serving statements sound just like that guy.
Eventually some investigative journalist will put the pieces together, but it won't happen for awhile yet. Not until the FBI loosens the wraps a bit. Meanwhile the rest of us will make reasonable assessments of what the kid looked like, what he was doing with explosives, the company he kept (his Paki roommate), and -- most important -- the particulars of his demise.
This country has been under attack from Islamists since Jimmy Carter. When people behave like this boy did, we want answers because we need to assess the danger to ourselves and our children. So we talk about it, trying to figure out if he was isolated or if he is part of a trend.
Not real far from where we live is an Islamist compound, full of disaffected black men and their families. For the most part they have been recruited from prisons. They live in isolation, permit only their boy children to go to school, and the local Social Services is scared witless to go in there and ask about the girls. After 9/11 they installed a guard house, the men stopped wearing Arab-style clothing in public -- though the women do not appear without their hijab -- and the locals avoid them. Especially since it's a branch of the group which killed Danny Pearl and is supposedly where the Beltway sniper went to ground for awhile.
These places exist in pockets all over the US. Just as we were blind to the Islamists outside our borders, we are blind to compounds like this. No one local talks about it -- and for darn sure no MSM journalist is going to risk the Danny Pearl route, thank you.
So if I'm paranoid about this guy, it doesn't mean my assessment is unfounded. "Complex suicide" indeed. Try running that term(as a description for this case)by a forensic psychiatrist and see what he says. I just did that and he asked me if I was crazy.
As I said, I feel sorry for his family...that boy went over some edge we don't even know about yet, but we damn sure better get more information on it.
Last year, one of my son's good friends at college committed suicide by blowing his head off. Exactly a month later, one of this boy's fraternity brothers did the same thing, the same way. Of course it was suspicious, and of course the parents are left wondering what in God's name was going on...there are still more questions than answers at this point. Some of the kids who found these guys have since dropped out, pretty traumatized. No doubt that will happen to a few at OU, too.
The "PC hacks" -- as the good doctor terms them --are not credible; we would be fools to back off just because they use ridicule in an attempt to make us do so. The first commenter on this post offered "useful idiots" as an explanation for their response. That's pretty much sums it up.
Posted by: dymphna at October 11, 2005 09:48 AM (v6rkv)
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How about fifth columnists?
Posted by: Thralan at October 11, 2005 11:51 AM (9OfIG)
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You are missing the point, I think...
They call the people who question what happened here liars because they are obviously on the side of people who want to destroy this "racist, oppressive" country.
You only need to look at some of the garbage that is shoveled out in any English department to find this out.
Posted by: benrand at October 11, 2005 01:28 PM (sf4Oe)
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Don't want to be in the conspiracy business here...but the holder of the information on all this is the FBI. More than not, the FBI was supposedly in the know about Hinrichs from his attempt at purchasing the ammonium nitrate. I'm supposin' they would have been following Hinrichs, checking his activities, watching his movements, who he mingled with, no? Where was the FBI when Hinrichs was out sachaying with bombs strapped to his body? Coverup, methinks.
Posted by: Dave at October 11, 2005 02:48 PM (M7kiy)
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These journalists are urinalists, as Rush Limbaugh would say, as in Milwaukee Urinal rather than Milwaukee Journal.
Posted by: Mark James at October 11, 2005 03:46 PM (Igb5J)
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Dymphna, Jeff and Actus,
As far as that bearded photo goes, let me just point out that a) this is a super cropped photo of Joel and what appears to be his family and b) the folks at the Oklahoman don't know when the photo was taken (but the difference in what his dad looks like now and then is pretty evident).
Another photo of Joel with a beard IS over a year old and a staffer at The Oklahoman told me that Joel was clean shaven for at least a few months.
http://kenwheaton.blogspot.com/2005/10/joel-hinrichs-speculation-game.html
You don't need a beard to blow shit up or to be an Islamic terrorist, but that photo is not evidence for the case that he was a recent convert to Islam or insane (well, not any more than the fact that he wore a green vest to class every day).
Posted by: ken at October 11, 2005 04:14 PM (xD5ND)
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While the photo does make him look Amish, unmarried Amish men go beardless. The beard is reserved for married men. Unmarried Muslim men, on the other hand, ......
Posted by: LenS at October 11, 2005 06:10 PM (OHbWT)
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Do you need a connection to a larger group to be a terrorist?
FBI Director Mueller said the thing that keeps him awake nights is the lone wolf. Having no connections, he's extremely difficult to find.
Is it possible to do a lone wolf mass murder and still be a terrorist?
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at October 11, 2005 08:32 PM (GqNp+)
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The word is "QUISLING".The American College Dictionary has the following definition; Quisling: a person who undermines his country from within; a fifth columnist.(from Vidkun quisling,1887-1945,pro-Nazi leader in Norway)
Not only does this word have a diminutive tone to it, it is also fun to say.
Posted by: gerald wilson at October 12, 2005 01:04 AM (gNIF8)
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Why would I find it so hard to believe that a college newspaper would withhold facts after the garbage the White House suckups in the MSM fed us about 9/11?
Posted by: Jane at October 12, 2005 02:34 AM (Qsddp)
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Um, if there is a sealed indictment, and there are Islamic terrorist links here, don't you think that it would be best
not to release any information that might compromise the investigation, arrest or prosecution of anyone else involved? Just asking. Bare minimum, Islam or not, they have to make sure that this terrorist didn't have a Terry Nichols helping him.
Posted by: Rob W at October 12, 2005 11:53 AM (N+DLD)
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Most deaths in the US and much of the world are identified and tracked by a code. The code for "intentional self harm (suicide) by explosive material" is "X75.0". There are actually sub-codes like "X75.1" through "X75.9" to indicate if the death was at home, at a workplace, or someplace else. Although I have found "X75.0" referenced in many places, I haven't been able to find a place to enter the code and get a result in terms of how often a death has been attributed to "X75.0".
So if somebody really wants to know how rare such deaths are in America, they can find the database that will spit out the numbers for "X75.0". Maybe it is also recorded in the "Statistical Abstract of the United States".
However, so far only one such death has been reported, which would be as rare as it could be while still existing.
Also, on the subject of football stadium security, I went to a Browns game with my daughter more than a year ago. They were searching everything, including women's purses. No pat down searches. Maybe it's just that Cleveland is a hotbed of terrorism, just as it is a hotbed of everything else while being at the top of every terrorist hit list. Perhaps only strict security is keeping Cleveland from being successfully attacked, thus reducing the entire civilized world to tears.
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CENTCOM Public Affairs
October 10, 2005
Release Number: 05-10-32
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FIRST U.S. HUMANITARIAN AIRLIFT REACHES ISLAMABAD
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - A United States Air Force C-17 delivered the first relief supplies here within 48 hours of the devastating earthquake that has left thousands dead and thousands more injured and displaced.
The aircraft and its crew from the 7th Airlift Squadron, McChord Air Force Base, Wash., delivered 12 pallets -- weighing almost 90,000 pounds -- of food, water, medicine and blankets from Bagram Air Field, Afghanistan.
With only a few hours notice, Airmen and soldiers at Bagram, successfully worked to palletize the humanitarian relief supplies and prepare them for the flight. Three aerial port specialists were also on the flight to coordinate and manage the cargo once it arrived at Islamabad.
"This was a total team effort," said Col. Mike Isherwood, 455th Air Expeditionary Wing Vice Commander. "Our hearts go out to all those affected by the earthquake and we are thankful we were able to help out."
Pakistan Army Brig. Gen. Imtiaz Sherazi, director of logistics, is coordinating the relief efforts as supplies arrive and ensuring rapid distribution of assistance to areas that need it most.
Said General Sherazi, "These items are very valuable to us because there are lots of people in great distress."
As relief efforts are ongoing worldwide, United States Central Command will continue to identify and provide additional capabilities for airborne reconnaissance, heavy lift ground equipment, medical support, shelters, rations and water to aid and assist the people of Pakistan.
October 9, 2005
Release Number: 05-10-30
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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The US military is incomparable when doing a job whether it be a military or civilian role. Kudos to them, but shows how feeble the local, state, and federal(FEMA) response was to Katrina.
Now you know why the Left wants to destroy the military, because they can do nothing as long as the military exists in the form it is in now. Hence the push on the Left to destroy recruiting and the volunteer military force.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 11:18 AM (rUyw4)
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I wonder what kind of odds I could get on a bet that a substantial portion of relief supplies and money will go directly to terrorists? I'm guessing not good odds at all, because that's a gimme. Pakistan is still a major supporter of terrorism even while they pretend to be helping us, and Bush is getting played like a sucker.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 01:39 PM (0yYS2)
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maybe we should tell them the first twenty million dollar check for 'relief' could arrive on their soil tomorrow with
"Reward For the capture of Bin Laden"
in the memo section?
Posted by: dave at October 10, 2005 02:53 PM (CcXvt)
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Oooh. Methinks Allah wants bin Laden dead. Could it be that the Great Prophet digs the Joos?
/Fatwah bait.
Posted by: Gordon at October 10, 2005 07:31 PM (dEFhD)
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Improbulus Maximus,
What evidence do you have that Pakistan is a supporter of terrorism?
Posted by: Chris Short at October 10, 2005 09:25 PM (0OCQY)
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So what are the odds that some of these supplies might convince ONE person not to become a USA hating terrorist? Is this economicaly feasible solution ?ummmm well lets take a look. Feel free to put in your own numbers I am just guessing at costs. 90,000 pounds at say $5 per pound = $450,000 plus uhhhh.... $50,000 delivery fee makes it an even 1/2 million. Yeah looks good to me. Estimated cost to kill a weapons carrying enemy in Nam was $200,000. What with inflation and other factors looks ike a bargain. $20 million in order to catch Osama? I say your a penny pincher. I want results on that guy, let's see what 10 times or 50 times 20 million will do to win some allies over there. Anybody remember what one of those B 1s or B 2s cost ? yeah lets try an equal amount and see what happens.
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California Conservative for the details. I've been so busy I have several things I wanted to blog but the time just is not there. So Sorry
CC better late than never.
"We need to attack Jesus..." - atheist Philip Paulson,
who filed a lawsuit challenging the presence of the cross
on city land in 1989.
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>>>"The city has attempted twice to sell the property to the Mount Soledad Association,
but federal courts have overturned the sales because they said the transactions favored a buyer who would preserve the cross."
Wow. Now the activist courts are in the business of discerning people's hearts and motives. That's out of control.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 11:35 AM (8e/V4)
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As serious an issue as this may be, I couldn't help thinking, "Go ahead, Phil, attack Jesus, I think he can take you."
Posted by: Brian B at October 10, 2005 11:39 AM (rGfpg)
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yep not a laughing matter cept how do you attack he in whom you don't believe. If you really don't believe why attack?
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 11:46 AM (D3+20)
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Yes, Carlos, that is one part of the business they are in. These activist judges will do whatever they can to destroy Christianity and whatever tradition might remain in the US. They know that the only way to destroy the US is to destroy the traditions and mores that unite us as a people. The wish to destroy Christianity I don't get, because what will ultimately take its place will utterly destroy the liberals and the Left.
I am mystified by the motivation of the Left. What do they think will be accomplished? It is truly one of the mysteries of this age.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 11:55 AM (rUyw4)
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Jesus,
The Bible speaks of anti-christs, and in my view this Lefties fit the bill to a tee.
The Constitution restricts the GOVERNMENT'S acts and motives, not the people's. That's why that court ruling is so fucked up. It's basically saying that the citizen's motives (the buyer) are improper. The BUYER'S motives are unconstitutional. If he was instead an atheist, the sale coult have gone through! Unbelievable. Could these activistas in black robes be anymore transparent? I think not.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 12:09 PM (8e/V4)
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I just read an interesting (maybe) Instapundit co-analysis of Joe's question, the roots of this by a guy named
James C. Bennett: which speaks to me as byproduct of anti-Catholic Protestant elitism:
This is primarily an effect of the Calvinist Puritan roots of American progressivism. Just as Calvinists believed in the centrality of the depravity of man, with the exception of a minuscule contingent of the Elect of God, their secularized descendants believe in the depravity and cursedness of Western civilization, with their own enlightened selves in the role of the Elect.
HTH
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at October 10, 2005 12:12 PM (T85lV)
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Brian took the words out of my mouth. I'd only add that Paulson is being disengenuous. He's attacking a target closer to home.
Keith, while Calvinists and other Reformed thinkers believe in the depravity of man - and who can fault that kind of thinking?

- they believe that only God can regenerate the heart. This doesn't make them less the sinner; the Holy Spirit works in their life through discipleship in scripture and fellowship toward their sanctification.
It often seems that He's working faster in some of us than in others. Paulson could clearly benefit from a less-stony heart.
To complete your analogy, one must remove a personal God from the equation, putting human wisdom and understanding at the pinnacle. With that sort of equation, it's easy to see how some of us believe we should be in authority over others, like shephards and sheep. Democracy is much more respectful of the individual.
Posted by: tee bee at October 10, 2005 12:27 PM (q1JHF)
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I don't believe that any government entity should promote or discourage religion in any way whatsoever, but these people are on an anti-crusade, but we shouldn't be surprised, because they're just a bunch of ACLU commies. I'm an atheist, but not like them, not at all; these people make me sick and are traitors to the prinicples of Liberty.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 01:44 PM (0yYS2)
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IM,
you're the kind of atheist I can live with-- that we HAVE lived with since the founding of this country. But these anti-God types are out of control.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 01:54 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos, the sentiments are mutual. I have nothing against Christians, and even think that Christianity is a necessary influence to the development of civil society, I'm just not wild about government involvement in religion. After all, do we want to look to the same government that gave us Amtrak and Social Security for our spiritual guidance?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 02:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Another wretched atheist trying to force himself on us all why should we be allow these jerks to force themselves on us they are your usial selfish self centered soclialists forcing the,selves on us and getting help from the supreume court and its band of idiots
Posted by: sandpiper at October 10, 2005 02:04 PM (U+eLg)
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IM,
the Europeans do. Their churches are state-sponsored. Their pastors are paid by the State. Ironic, no?
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 02:06 PM (8e/V4)
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Fuck it, I'm going to attack Buddha. I'm going to punch that fat bastard right in the nose and wipe that silly smile off his smug little face. Grrrrrr! A little off topic: Type "Failure" into google, then press "I'm feeling lucky" and see what comes up. Hmmmmm...
Posted by: osamabinhiding at October 10, 2005 02:12 PM (Ttija)
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osama,
that's why I don't use google anymore. They can no longer be trusted.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 02:13 PM (8e/V4)
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Osama,
So that's where you bin hiding. You're a googlebomber. How cute!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 02:48 PM (rUyw4)
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Yeah, it kind of makes you wonder, eh? Their stock is hyped anyway...
Posted by: osamabinhiding at October 10, 2005 03:42 PM (Ttija)
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Jesus... One man, huge damage to humanity for thousands of years and to the future.
The guy who inspired Muhammed who we all know led his masses to such a sofisticated and peaceful situation they are in today, the guy because of whom the Romano-Catholic church exists, most evil organisation of all times that had entire religions wiped out, peoples hunted to extinction, masses cowed to brainless lemmings and riches looted to it's replacement-of-Jesus-on-earth leader for 15 horrible, bloody, dark centuries.
Therefore I'm suggesting attacking Jesus now is absolutely useless, the Jews should have had him stoned before or right after he made a mess at their temple.
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they tried but he escaped. they also tried after he healed the blind man on the sabbath but again they could not see him although he was right there. Odd huh? so finn want a copy of John I got one for you too.
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Yes Carlos, it is ironic, but it is also part of why Europeans no longer go to church.
And sandpiper, cut the "wretched atheist" crap. I don't go around saying "wretched Christian" every time a priest molests a little boy, do I? Watch your manners and remember, like I do, that it's acts, not labels, that are important.
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No thanks, Howie, I think I have a bible of some sort somewhere, or at least the New Testament in a little red pocket book (some preachers travel the country giving those to everyone... I've had 3 or so, they always manage to disappear, since they're leather coated and there's a dog in the house). So it was the inefficiency of fundamentalist Jews that allowed Jesus to live and preach on? Guess the J00s can be blamed for everything one way or another....
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FWIW, IM, sandpiper, who makes me wonder if there are indeed commentbots, is best overlooked - and I think was just commenting on Paulson, not you. The bots rarely talk to other commenters.
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Yes just like fin to be such a pigheaded fool. You woild think he would believe in God since it's a supernatural that some one has not bashed his thick skull in by now.
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JESUS, IS GIVING EVERY MAN, WOMAN, & CHILD "ONE LAST CHANCE". NO MATTER HIS OR HER RACE, RELIGION, OR NATIONALITY; TO REPENT & TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAY; CONFESS JESUS CHRIST, AS LORD AND SAVIOUR. AND DO HIS WILL. mcgdogm
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Remembering the Forgotten American Hostages: Jeffrey Ake

Jeffrey Ake was in Iraq to help the people of that country secure a safe water supply when, on
April 11th of this year, he was taken hostage. Days later a
video emerged of Ake. Jeffrey Ake has not been heard from since.
Former hostage Terry Anderson later recounted that realizing that the world was indifferent to the fate of Western hostages was nearly as bad as the torment administered on them daily.
We will not forget the fate of the hostages still held in Iraq. We urge you to keep them in your prayers.
Here is a little about Jeffrey Ake from the Indy Star:
The lack of attention on Jeffrey Ake baffles people here.
On April 11, when Ake was seized by gunmen outside Baghdad, the well-known and longtime LaPorte resident was national news. He was in Iraq doing business as the country rebuilds, helping to build a water bottling plant...
The townsfolk sprang to action the way people do in such a crisis: They tied ribbons around trees in their yards, they spelled out "Pray for Jeff Ake" on the signs at their businesses, they expressed fear and hope to the media that swarmed them, and they organized a candlelight vigil.
And then, suddenly, Ake was not news. The candlelight vigil was canceled. Ake's neighbors suddenly went silent.
Today, with the six-month anniversary of his disappearance coming Tuesday, Ake's whereabouts remain unknown. The equally nagging question beyond what happened to him is why folks in LaPorte are mum about it.
As it turns out, they're just trying to help.
"His wife asked us to have no comment, so that's what we're doing," said Mel Turner, who lives next door to the Ake family.
Liliana Ake asked everyone to keep quiet because the FBI, the agency investigating Ake's disappearance, recommended it.
Of course, the FBI's recommendation is inappropriate in Ake's case. If Ake is to be freed, it will not be because a ransom will be paid. So, why should it matter what his hostage takers ask?
Ake's only hope is that Coalition forces are tipped to his whereabouts and is freed, as Roy Hallums recently was. After six-months it should be clear that silence is not a winning strategy. Keeping Jeffrey Ake's name in the forefront of the news so that forces on the ground will keep an eye out for him, and so that local Iraqis know who they are looking for.
In the meantime, we pray for his speedy release.
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Yes Rusty a good idea. I'll keep an eye for his name.
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 03:33 PM (gUlBw)
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I'm glad to see you received my e-mail. I'm praying for Jeffrey Ake. I hope he's still alive and will be rescued by Delta Force or some special forces team. That's basically his only hope
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I'm glad to see you received my e-mail. I'm praying for Jeffrey Ake. I hope he's still alive and will be rescued by Delta Force or some special forces team. That's nasically his only hope
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I'm glad to see you received my e-mail. I'm praying for Jeffrey Ake. I hope he's still alive and will be rescued by Delta Force or some special forces team. That's basically his only hope
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Sorry for the triple posts. You can delete two of them if you want.
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Hi Rusty, I wanted to convey my prayers and sadness for the Ake family. I know exactly what they are going through and its absolutely horrible. Your emotions are so upset between the worry of your loved one and the enormous frustration of no information.It's so painful. I still strongly disagree that zero info should be given to the family. I am so happy to have Roy FREE. Our family will always remember our pain and suffering. I believe in prayer vigils ,I feel its in Gods hands, my public efforts instead of silent efforts got the attention of the wonderful Senator Feinstein . She called congressional meetings with all the govt agencies that pressed for MORE EFFORT. Roy thanked me for what we did the first night he was home. It meant the world to me for his appreciation, he said he thought it helped. Thats all I needed to hear. I would do it all again but I hope and pray it would never be necessary! God Bless... Thanks again, Rusty
Susan Hallums
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Thank God ! I was beginning to think that I was the only person in the US that remembered Jeffery Ake. I will continue to pray for him and that he gets back home soon.
Posted by: Margie at October 10, 2005 10:55 PM (mj4KR)
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Why do those miserble coward wear the hoods over their heads are they afraid to show their dirty face in public knowing someone would probibly slit their throats if they knew
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I just wanted to check and see if anyone had anything new here. Will continue to pray - time has shown in some cases that these cowards give up and release the hostages. We can only hope and continue to pray that this is the case with Jeff.
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I have been doing a search on Jeffrey every week for months praying to see something about a safe return or atleast knowledge that he is still with us. I will keep praying.
Posted by: Steve at October 13, 2005 11:13 AM (rgkjI)
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Jeff is constantly on my mind, I pray for his safe return, however the aggravated circumstances caused by our flim flam Govt. hastens his demise. I worked on a business deal with jeff back in the 80's, He is a great guy. I hope that he is still alive and that he returns to his loved ones.
Posted by: Steve at October 26, 2005 12:53 AM (r2NEm)
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I am from Jeffrey ake's hometown and personally know his family. everybody here is still hush hush in the papers and most people i know are wondering as well. there are still signs up in town and will be until he's home. unfortunately what brings me to your site today is the rumor that jeff was confirmed dead heard by a few people by a local fox news station. if anyone else hears anything please post. god bless Jeff and Family
Posted by: dave at November 29, 2005 03:19 PM (SYNPl)
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We can never let Jeffrey or anyone who has been taken or harmed leave our thoughts.. Lets dothe right thing and find this man and bring him home to his family...
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The Evolution of News
The New York Times, then and now. Click on the thumbnails for a larger image.
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OMG! I had no idea that DSM was related to Rumsfeld.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 09:36 AM (rUyw4)
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Wait, wasn't Batboy abducted by Satanist aliens who forced him to become Bigfoot's love slave in order to fulfill one of Nostradamus' prophesies about Hitler? Dammit, they never can get a story straight.
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The invasion may have been great and all that, but Batboy and Bigfoot are in your neighborhoods! This is what happens when justice fails, and Courtney Love is free to prowl the opium dens of D.C. It's clearly a sign of the apocalypse, which is far worse than a world war.
/sarcasm.
I could tell right away it was fake. The Times generally isn't that creative in their storytelling.
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Your right the New York Times is no different then a tabloid only you can use the NYT for toilet paper and flush it just like with NEWSWEEK
Posted by: sandpiper at October 10, 2005 02:07 PM (U+eLg)
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I would never flush the Times, my toilet deserves better than that.
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Acually after we both dissed em they had a good investigation of euroislamobomberheads but I could not diss em and plug em the same day.
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 10:01 PM (D3+20)
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The batboy is the cousen to bigfoot who are waiting for the UFO to come and pick them up before the eco-freaks at SIERRA CLUB find them?
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October 09, 2005
Flu Update
A while back I started
looking over this flu thing. So when I saw this
crap on the Times well. IÂ’ve been saving up some more links and stuff. Just trying to keep up you know.
Ajc:Tom Skinner, spokesman for CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding, could not respond when asked about the manual on handling "sensitive but unclassified" information, which was released July 22, because he had not seen it. He asked a reporter to e-mail a copy to him.National security concerns Upon further questioning, CDC spokesman Von Roebuck cited national security concerns. He said the agency has programs that require protection from disclosure, such as the locations and work of laboratories with such biological agents as smallpox or anthrax.
Ok another Reason to make sure we get and keep some good American companies to research and improve vaccine production methods. And uh fire Skinner.
CNN: Experts in Hong Kong said on Friday that the human H5N1 strain which surfaced in northern Vietnam this year had proved to be resistant to Tamiflu, a powerful antiviral drug which goes by the generic name, oseltamivir
Also Time magazine:
So far fancy anti virus medications donÂ’tÂ’ cut it. Way more profitable and easier to make but not a replacement for vaccines. And all this screaming about them is just noise that serves drug companies and moon bat politics. Are these drugs useful as stop gap measure? Sure but that is about it.
H1N1 similar virus from 1918.
BBC:US scientists have found the 1918 virus shares genetic mutations with the bird flu virus now circulating in Asia.
CNN: Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt: “:A bigger gap is how to create quickly a vaccine to match whatever pandemic flu strain erupts, Leavitt said. That currently takes months. The new plan will focus on rejuvenating vaccine production to speed the process, he said.”
You bet the government working with private industry and I mean US private industry for vaccine production capacity and breakthroughs is the way. Will we get it in time IÂ’m not sure. All I know is that if we work at it we will be able to create an economically sustainable and awesome solution so the next 100 years won't be a repeat of last 100. I'm not sure how long it may take but it's very possible. I repeat my challenge, the US has the most innovative industry in the world itÂ’s up to them. The market is there if you can only figure out how to produce vaccine quickly and cheaply. American business always brags about better, cheaper faster just in time. Ok, I may not be from Missouri but IÂ’m close enough, SHOW ME.
The Times is way behind the curve on this and the left is trying to again wait and attack, possibly spread some panic rather that work for solutions. I don't vote for whiners. Government can only help move us along it can't solve it. Sure it can make plans and do what it can to protect public health but only science can put it to rest. Only science and industry can bring about the day when flu is no big deal. It appears to me that conservatives are working for the best solutions. If you want more commentary on this load crap just hit the lefty politics whiney ass no solutions blogs.
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Many governments around the world are stockpiling antiviral drugs and some companies are trying to speed up vaccine production but these measure give a false sense of security and will do little to counter a flu pandemic, an expert cautioned on Monday
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This is one of the scary things about the flu. We know that if this disease manages to mutate into a form that makes for easy human to human contact, the mortality rate will be extremely high, and people simply don't have any immunity against the disease.
Vaccine manufacturers are few and far between, in part because of lawsuits in the past and the simple fact that they aren't very profitable. There are few vaccine manufacturers in the US and the flu vaccine is an annual guessing game under normal circumstances. Scientists know that the flu mutates regularly and therefore the scientists pick which strains are most likely to spread widely for a given season. If they guess wrong, those who take the vaccine aren't protected against the prevalent strain.
Now, throw the avian flu into the mix. It's simply a matter of time before the avian flu mutates into a version that can succeed in human to human transfer. The discovery of the genome for the 1918 flu is a huge accomplishment that might help figure out when and how the current avian flu might mutate. It may also give clues as to how to quickly develop a vaccine. And we have to hope that we figure this out sooner rather than after the first transfer occurs, since the timeframe to create a mass produced vaccine may come too late.
Posted by: lawhawk at October 09, 2005 04:55 PM (X7zVK)
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Didn't we have a panic a few years ago with a mutation of the flu virus called the swine flu? I seem to remember that the prediction for a swine flu outbreak was similar to the avian flu. Am I right?
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Vaccine production is not a very popular business for drug companies for two reasons: first, because prices are held very low (since there are no patents) the profit margin is extremely poor.
Second, because even the safest of vaccines cause very occasional severe (even life threatening) reactions in a few people they're given to, the liability burden is tremendous.
That led to a real crisis in the US a few years ago with the production of DTP (Diphtheria + Tetanus + Polio) vaccines. Approximately 1 child in a million who was given the vaccine would develop a severely high fever that caused brain damage, and the parents would sue and usually win millions of dollars. As a result, the drug companies were losing money on that business and they quit making that vaccine. Suddenly there was only one company left in the business and it was threatening to stop, too.
The government ended up stepping in and guaranteeing what amounted to liability insurance to the drug companies to protect them from those lawsuits. When that one-in-a-million kid gets sick, the parents get money from the US instead of from the drug companies.
Flu virus is worse than DTP when it comes to adverse effects. The rate of adverse side effects is greater. My opinion is that by any reasonable standard it's "safe" but that doesn't matter when it comes to liability lawsuits.
If you want the drug companies to get enthusiastic about producing vaccines, then the thing for you to work on is tort reform. Once that is solved, the technical problems of ramping up vaccine production are minor by comparison. But right now major investment in vaccine production technology by drug companies is a good way to end up bankrupt from liabilty lawsuits, which is why they're not particularly enthusiastic about doing it.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at October 09, 2005 07:21 PM (CJBEv)
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Steven,
I'm glad you brought this up, because frankly, liability lawsuits now threaten to disrupt a number of sectors in the medical field, from vaccine production to heart valves. If we do not get serious about tort reform and limit liability lawsuits we will wake up one morning with the medical profession in a meltdown.
Frankly, the economy(minus the lawyers) is already sufferring from a proclivity of lawsuits. I would also suggest that this nonsense of class action be eliminated. You can hardly watch television for 20 minutes without some law firm advertising for clients to join class actions.
These constant suits have driven industry, including vaccine makers, to either leave the US or discontinue production, or in some cases into bankrupcy.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 09, 2005 08:06 PM (rUyw4)
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The latest bugaboo that's spooked vaccine manufacturers is "
thimerosal causes autism". There's absolutely no clinical evidence for that claim, but a hell of a lot of lawsuits have been won based on it, and if you google for it you'll find
web sites all about how to sue.
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The WSJ had an article about the avian flu and showed current mortality rates in Vietnam hovering just under 50%. HHS has worked with companies to get antiviral production capability, start to finish, set up here on US soil in the event we need to close borders. A MD company is working on an antiviral aerosol. The biggest threat in the US is state level preparedness - only 29 states even have response plans in the works.
Posted by: Taleena at October 09, 2005 11:27 PM (9uUzV)
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAACHOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Gesundheit...
Posted by: A Finn at October 10, 2005 04:06 AM (cWMi4)
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Oh yeah, hunt down greyrooster, bet he's been plucking some Asian flu chickens.
Posted by: A Finn at October 10, 2005 04:08 AM (cWMi4)
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JJ has a good point. No one knows for sure if this strain will be the one. Or the next one or the next one. It's damn random. But for sure should a strain deveolop and spread like any other natural disaster the MSM will start looking for people to blame. Alreay they are blaming bush for a pandemic that has not happened yet. It's a potential
problem. But for sure if you look back more than a few months then is't almost certain that in the next hundred years it will happen. So I'm just trying to keep cool keep aware and maybe that will help a few more research dollars get where they need to go. I feel we are ont he cusp of a big advancement here. We know how to identify the strains to creat vaccine for. We know how to get them to the people quickly. We just can't make them fast becuase we are using 1950's tech to create the virus from which to make the vaccine. So I feel it's a good field for study and research. Whomever gets it gets braggin rights too. I see a log of medical advancement but it always seems to cost more. some good old fashion 1920's economic principals ideas of mass production linked with innovation can drive down the cost as well as provide a great solution.
Everyone should be happy with that I mean thing of all the chicken emryos the are killed destroyed to get he virus.
Oh the chickmanity.
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 08:28 AM (D3+20)
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Steven: You're right about the thimerosal and the lack of clinical evidence. Much like so many lawsuits won by our "almost" vice-President, John Edwards, using questionable science - a lack of knowledge by juries of the lack of scientific evidence is what runs doctors out of states and other healthcare providers out of business. All one has to be is a good litigator, not necessarily an honest one.
Posted by: Oyster at October 10, 2005 09:05 AM (fl6E1)
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I'll keep on saving up stuff and try and do a post on this every month or so.
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 09:05 AM (D3+20)
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Avian flu or BIIRD FLU what dose it matter its here and the eco-freaks dont care unless one of their own kind gets it SQUARK SQUARK
Posted by: sandpiper at October 10, 2005 09:27 AM (JtcRt)
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In a Machiavellian sense, bird flu could actually be a blessing more than a curse. Considering that most of our enemies reside in parts of the world where medical care generally consists of calling a witchdoctor to remove a curse by killing the neighbor's goat, places that are breeding grounds for terrorism would likely be heavily decimated by a real pandemic. Of course, no matter how many die where, it's all Chimpy McHitlerbacon's fault. Oh, and the JOOOOOOOOOOS too, can't forget to blame the JOOOOOOOOOS!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 10:01 AM (0yYS2)
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Maximus,
Actually, numbers will matter very little in this struggle between the modern world and radical Islam. I had time this weekend while traveling to catch up on my reading.
I read Jihad in the West by Paul Fregosi, a Frenchman by the way, and according to his research, factional fighting between Christian sects weakened the Bzantine Empire at the time the Muslims came riding out of the deserts. Although outnumbered, the Muslims routed larger armies in Palestine.
Constant conflict between Bzanthium and Persia provided another opportunity for the Muslims as both empires were weakened at just the right time. The armies of the Musselmen fanned out both east and west and conquered the majority of the African and Middle Eastern parts of the old Roman Empire in an unbelievably short period of time. The Eastern part of the jihad was not dealt with by Fregosi, but my reading in the past has shown the jihad to be just as successful in the old Persian empire.
As we now know, Europe has been weakened by constant warfare in the 20th Century and is ripe to fall. I doubt little effort would be required in most European countries for a Muslim victory, although Europe might hold out for a few more years. The demise of Christianity in most of Europe has caused a spiritual decline and it seems that Europe doesn't even want to try. Much like what happened to Spain when a huge army of Vandals was routed by a small army of Muslims. Were it not for the French at Tours in 732, well, we would all be Muslim already. As an aside, I believe that my ancestors fought in the battle of Tours, as they lived in the Rheims area.
I don't believe numbers will play a huge part in the struggle between the West and Islam. The side with the will to win will be victorious, and at this time I would put my money on the Muslims.
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Drugs no answer to birdflu: experts say
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051010/sc_nm/birdflu_pandemic_dc
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Yep cool link more more more links I love links muahahahahahaah!!!!!!
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 01:56 PM (D3+20)
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All true Joe, all very true, but that wasn't really my point. I was just pointing out that a new pandemic would simply be likely to kill lots of muslims. On another note though, the islamic conquests of the past depended on the fact that the 'slamotards did have the best military technology for conquering huge tracts of territory at the time. Their armies consisted almost entirely of light cavalry who could move and strike with great speed, and which were perfectly suited for their mission, but times have changed. The new 'slamotardic conquest depends almost entirely on the exploitation of civilization's technology and the apathy of the civilized world, which has served them well up to this point, but I think they are a bit too confident in its continuation, because though it takes a while, once civilized people get riled and ready to fight, they're not so easy to take down. The best they can do is to hijack airplanes and make suicide bombs, which are ultimately ineffectual, and they may get a nuke or two in the future, but if they do set off a nuke, it will spell the end of islam, because probably every major muslim city would be erased from the face of the earth immediately thereafter, and muslims would not be safe in any civilized country, because the people would rise up and slaughter them like the vermin they are.
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IM,
I was referring to Europe not the United States. The US is not Europe, and many factors will come into play here that are not present in Europe. I didn't make myself clear on that particular point.
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Yawn... 0:26 and I still don't see what's so different about this bird flu that the last years and the year before thats 100% similar bird flus didn't have. Just a panic bubble, you're making it too big of a deal. As long as everyone just kills their chickens and burns 'em when they find it, it'll just pass taking a few chinese farmers with it.
Posted by: A Finn at October 10, 2005 04:29 PM (lGolT)
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Hush Finn, don't jinx it. Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll take down a few hundred million 'slamotards.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 09:30 PM (0yYS2)
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Yes but Finn thing of the opportunity finland was rated #1 in competitive innovation or some shit like that last week. Figure it out over there. I would preferr it was done here. But if finns can figure out how to make 500 million does in 3 months heck I don't care. It's not so much this flu it may be the one it may not be. I assume yall spend a lot of time indoors not all but a bunch when it's 60 below outside. So maybe not this flu but all it takes is one guy to fly in. I went fishing with grandpa the monring I got the 68 69 flu felt great then all the suddeen puke city for two weeks. I was two. So if I still remember that shit it gives you some idea how rough it was puke hallucinations puke some more puke puke puke fever fever fever. It was touch and go. All I remember was a bunch of puking and the claws comign over my bed and moms head floating in the corner from the hallucinatuions from the fever. I'm almost 40 so you get the idea. It's like a hurricane. No big deal happens all the time until that one hurricane.
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Pakistan Quake Tolls More Than 18,000 Dead
(Islamabad, Pakistan) According to officials, it's estimated that more than 18,300 people have died as a result of Saturday's earthquake. Communications have been cut off and landslides have made roads impassable. Current need is for helicopter transportation to carry relief supplies to remote areas.
From CNN.com:
"In certain areas, the entire villages -- they have collapsed. In certain areas, almost entire towns, they have vanished from the scene," Pakistan's military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, told CNN. The country, he said, has launched its largest relief operation.
He estimated at least 18,000 people have died in Pakistan alone, and 41,000 are injured. The majority of those deaths are thought to have occurred in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Another military spokesman, Brig. Shah Jahan, said relief and rescue workers have yet to access 30 to 40 percent of the affected areas.
CNN can confirm more than 10,000 deaths in Pakistan, most in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. The dead include 230 Pakistani soldiers and 250 school girls whose bodies were recovered from a school at Gari Habi Ullaha between Manshera and Muzaffarabad.
Eyewitnesses report the city of Balakot, in the North-West Frontier province, is destroyed. "It is likely the ground zero," Sultan told CNN.
Also, 250 students died when a school building collapsed 40 miles from Islamabad and the collapse of three school buildings in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir killed an estimated 200 more students. Only one person has been reported killed in Afghanistan, a young girl who died when her house in Jalalabad collapsed.
From Aljazeera.net:
The estimated toll of the South Asian earthquake on Saturday has hit 30,000, Pakistan-administered Kashmir's works and communication minister says.
"Our rough estimates say more than 30,000 people have died in the earthquake in Kashmir," minister Tariq Farooq said on Sunday.
"There are cities, there are towns which have been completely destroyed. Muzaffarabad is devastated," he added, referring to the capital of Pakistan's sector of disputed Kashmir.
Within 24 hours of the earthquake, the U.S. Geological Survey recorded 22 aftershocks, including one that measured 6.2 on the Richter Scale. An eight-man UN Disaster Coordination team is due to arrive in Islamabad today.
According to a CNN cable broadcast and Xinhua, rescue teams from the UK, Germany, Italy, France, Switzerland, Russia, and the U.S. are due to arrive in hours. Medical relief centers have been set up by the Pakistan military. Confirmed dead in Indian-controlled Kashmir is 355. Frantic efforts are underway to rescue people out of collapsed apartment buildings in Islamabad.
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I spoke to someone in Islamabad yesterday, and he said the damage was extensive. He told me of a 10-story apartment building near where he lives completely flattened. So yes, it's pretty bad out there.
Until this happened I wasn't even aware that this was an earthquake-prone area.
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Muzaffarabad is located about 10km SW of the epicenter and, as your post notes, they are describing it as devastated. It had a popoulation of about 78,000. My guess is the death toll will be much worse than a mere 30,000.
Prayers and lots of help will be needed.
Posted by: Dusty at October 09, 2005 01:46 PM (Jg9zI)
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"God" using it's very own weapons of mass destruction a lot on this century. Targeting you, commies, hindus and muslims while making the weather better and better in Europe and Canada... Perhaps the Almighty One is trying to point out the obvious: He looooooves semi-sosialist critizers and hates what everyone else is doing. (still atheist though...)
Posted by: A Finn at October 10, 2005 03:56 AM (cWMi4)
Posted by: A Finn at October 10, 2005 04:01 AM (cWMi4)
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Hmm... interresting...
http://www.profaniwiki.com/index.php?title=American
Posted by: A Finn at October 10, 2005 05:01 AM (cWMi4)
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Finn,
Paris lost 3,000 souls when God sent them a measly heatwave. That's three times as many as were killed by Katrina, which, as you know, was a massive storm that would have literally leveled half of France. So obviously God doesn't have to try as hard when he wants to kill you Euroweenies.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 07:59 AM (GbzDT)
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Carlos,
God doesn't have to concern Himself at all with the Euroweenies. They abort 2/3 of their babies, the native European population is taking a nosedive, and Finn will soon be dressed in a burka having to worrrrrrry about getting buggered by the Muslims. Although in all honesty, Finland is probably in better shape than the rest of Europe vis-a-vie the radical Muslims.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 08:44 AM (rUyw4)
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Last year it was the tsunami then more recently it was hurricane katrina for a earthquake in pakaistan what next? it this ARMAGEDON are these the end times?
Posted by: sandpiper at October 10, 2005 09:30 AM (JtcRt)
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Yeah, the French sure can't withstand blessings... Armageddon? Maybe. Muslim problem? Relevant sooner or later, especially now that the weather is so damn hot that the flowers started blooming and the fish laying fisheggs in the middle of autumn... But I'll send a few more natural disasters and we'll see how things turn out.
Posted by: A Finn at October 10, 2005 12:31 PM (lGolT)
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I hereby grant the Finn full authority over Earth and the universe. See ya.
Posted by: GOD ALMIGHTY at October 10, 2005 12:32 PM (lGolT)
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The Finn doesn't believe in God. That would be a nol pros.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 12:58 PM (rUyw4)
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Finn,
wait till the avian flu comes to Europe. There are so many of you packed on every inch of soil over that you'll be sneezing in everybody's face it's so crowded. It will be a miracle from God if half of you don't die off, and you'll become so desperate that soon you'll be praying for the cleansing winds of a proper hurricane like we get over here.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 01:38 PM (8e/V4)
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Nore the punishment of God was worst in Northern Pakistan where UBL may be hiding. Let's hope he got smoted.
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 01:45 PM (D3+20)
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Carlos thinks Finland is a friggin' metropolitan absolutely packed with people! HARHARHARHARHARHAR!!! So funny. Well, seriously, it's not rare to see less than a hundred people in one day, so there's no way the disease can spread quickly here.
Think of the possibilities on your continent, however: everyone living around civilisation and cities dies, so there will be only republicans after the bird flu passes.
Posted by: A Finn at October 10, 2005 04:24 PM (lGolT)
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I have not as yet heard from a friend of
mine, Known as Siddique Khan; who is a
British Citizen and went to
Kashmir on holiday. If anybody has any
information or knows of where i go to find
out about my friend please do let me know.
Soni
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October 08, 2005
Congrats James!
Congratulations are in order for
James Joyner of OTB who is getting married tonight. Good luck and may God bless your marriage as he has mine.
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Oklahoma Bomber Not Seen on Security Tapes
The FBI says that JOEL HENRY HINRICHS III was not spotted on security tapes trying to enter the University of Oklahoma vs. Kansas State football game before he blew himself up just outside the stadium on October 1st.
This is important news that would indicate that earlier reports that Hinrichs was seen trying to enter the stadium, but ran away when security guards attempted to check his backpack, were wrong. If Hinrichs was really part of larger Islamic plot to commit an act of terrorism, then why didn't he try to get into the stadium where he could do maximun damage?
However, the report is unclear just how much of the stadium is under video surveillance. If all the entrance gates were not under surveillance, then the fact that Hinrichs does not appear on video is really a minor point.
KOTV:
A completed review of University of Oklahoma stadium surveillance tapes by the FBI did not spot Joel Henry Hinrichs III trying to get inside.
The same report also says that the bench where Hinrichs blew up was also not under surveillance. The bench was about 100 yards from the stadium.
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I'm not sure that him not attempting to enter a football game makes it mean any less. Just about anyone knows that it would be easier to evade detection by rent-a-cop bag searchers by just standing outside till the game is over, the same amount of people on the inside, will then be outside where they are a much easier target. no?
Posted by: dave at October 08, 2005 02:17 PM (CcXvt)
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It's possible, of course, but seems less likely.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 08, 2005 02:28 PM (JQjhA)
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Dave has a point. No security in the parking lot, and no less of a crowd of people, so all the obstacles that would be present in trying to get into the stadium would be avoided, and the victims would come to him. Too bad it didn't go off while all the splodeydopes were in the same room.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 08, 2005 02:37 PM (0yYS2)
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He was near some buses, right? Who were those buses for? Spectators? A team? Were they going to be moved somewhere else to pick up their passengers, or were people going to be crowding into that area to get on the buses?
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 08, 2005 03:36 PM (Gn9tM)
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Just a comment from an OU student.
The buses in question are loyd noble shuttles. The stadium has a small attatched car garage that cant hold all of the traffic, and since there are no parking lots near by, everyone parks at Loyd Noble instead. LN is more than a mile from the stadium, so they use buses to shuttle everyone to and from the game. These buses are usually packed (standing room only)with fans, especially right after the game.
Posted by: Jen Myers at October 08, 2005 06:41 PM (/3R2m)
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If you know that you're not likely to be searched, surveillance is limited, and that there are going to be large numbers of people headed your way at a given time, sitting and waiting for your victims to come to you makes great sense. By sitting at the bench, you aren't necessarily bringing attention to yourself because security would ostensibly be focused on stadium security, not someone sitting on a bench.
And, by sitting and waiting, you lessen the chance that your TATP explosive decides to blow up prematurely. Since TATP is supposed to be quite tempramental, why subject it to any more jostling than absolutely necessary.
Posted by: lawhawk at October 08, 2005 07:42 PM (jAEWP)
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kind of like a trap door spider...wait for the prey to come to you and when its close enough...well, you get the picture...now lemme go and paddle down the street...with all this rain coming down here in NJ, i may as well enjoy myself
Posted by: THANOS35 at October 08, 2005 08:56 PM (FMsU7)
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These buses are usually packed (standing room only)with fans, especially right after the game.
And, so, we have identified his target. He wouldn't have had to deal with stadium security, and his targets would have come to him.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 08, 2005 09:54 PM (Gn9tM)
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Of course, you're all right. My only point is that we approach this cautiosuly. We're only getting little bits and pieces here and there. If the investigation turns up nothing then we should be prepared to admit that Hinrichs was just a lone nut, that is all.
I still tend to believe this was part of a larger plot at this point, but that could change.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 08, 2005 10:24 PM (JQjhA)
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Absolutely -- it's entirely likely he was a lone nut seeking a particularly spectacular suicide.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 08, 2005 10:44 PM (Gn9tM)
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Probably just another socialist nutjob, I'm glad he removed himself from society.
Posted by: Cabe at October 09, 2005 04:24 AM (I33+H)
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When considering the “lone suicide” theory I think it is important to point out how rare “lone suicide by bomb” is.
The American Association of Suicidology http://www.suicidology.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=21
Has US data from 2002.
Of the 31,655 suicides that year only 150 were by “Fire / Flame” .half of one percent .5%. Please note, that there was no category for bomb or explosives I’m guessing that since the name of the category is “Fire / Flame”, that most of the suicides in this category were actually by fire or flame but I would understand if there were a few bombs tossed in. I think a high guestimate would be perhaps 20 people blew themselves up. Roughly one tenth of one percent .1%
If you add in some other factors like the size of the blast, proximity to a crowd, and what the bomb was made of, wellÂ… you do the math.
Posted by: MonkMojo at October 09, 2005 04:29 AM (sWjGN)
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I agree that caution is in order before drawing conclusions but we cannot allow PC and hypersensitivity to “offending” certain people groups to get in the way of asking of perfectly legitimate questions. The fact that he had a Muslim roommate is worthy of consideration as are questions about his possible conversion to Islam. The way he committed the act is too similar to the terrorist suicide bombings to sweep under the rug. If nothing turns up great but facts are facts regardless of who doesn’t like to hear about them and this needs to be fully investigated.
Posted by: Ron at October 09, 2005 02:15 PM (gXJLm)
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