Apparently earlier reports that Zarqawi had slipped away may have been true. One thing that struck me about this article, which is an AP wire story, is that the author lists the names of some of the French and British hostages, but not the Americans. If any one sees any photos of the so-called 'hostage slaughterhouse' I would be very interested in seeing them. Zarqawi has used several of these houses to murder in the past, and comparing this one to the many beheading videos might give us a clue as to the last time he was in Fallujah. My gut feeling is that he slipped out of Fallujah long-before the present assault started.
" Indeed it would.
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Yeah, I read this story earlier, too. The discovery of these houses could prove to be very useful in tracking down the criminals who've been doing all the killings, even if they've already left the city.
Posted by: Venom at November 10, 2004 12:04 PM (dbxVM)
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But I thought Islam was the religion of peace?
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at November 10, 2004 12:08 PM (yQQMh)
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No, it's the religion of 'piece'. You know, "A piece of your head here, a piece of your head there."
Posted by: Rusty at November 10, 2004 12:31 PM (JQjhA)
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Ah, thanks for the clarification. Something got lost in the translation I guess.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at November 10, 2004 12:34 PM (yQQMh)
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It's not the translation as much as it is the transliteration.
Posted by: Rusty at November 10, 2004 12:36 PM (JQjhA)
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The coalition's tactics are becoming more crappy than before.Firstly they should have busted(taken down) the city back April itself.Still don't have a clue why they did not. Anyway now instead of taking them by surprise the insurgents have been well informed through media that the attack will take place after elections. From what we can see only the stupid(Jihadis) ...foreign fighters..would have stayed.All kingpins would be nowhwere near to that city.
Posted by: Roopesh at November 10, 2004 02:45 PM (q9wBH)
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And if we suprised them 200,000 civilians would have been surprised with them.
Then would the liberals have a field day on this blog.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 10, 2004 04:20 PM (J4a4p)
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You kill what you can, then go to the next place and kill what you can. You just hope the peaceful NATION OF ISLAM doesn't breed them faster than you can kill them.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 10, 2004 04:23 PM (J4a4p)
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Gee, sounds like cockroaches!
Posted by: Laura at November 10, 2004 05:15 PM (ptOpl)
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Islam is a religion of peace just like every other religion but a few use it as a weapon of destruction. Personally, I don't see much difference in the act of beheading than the death penalty. They see unbelievers and other religions as being wrong in their eyes, we see the killing of humans as wrong. It may seem like they are totally different but the core reasons are still the same. Both inherently wrong in a civilised society.
I just hope we find them before anyone else is murdered.
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 11, 2004 03:39 AM (ccz95)
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Matt,
I find it hard to believe that anyone who has viewed any of the beheading video's could compare them to the implementation of the death penalty as it is used in the U.S.
So my question is, have you viewed any of the beheading video's?
Posted by: Goldfalcon at November 11, 2004 03:03 PM (T9be8)
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Lame comparison by FAR! The death penalty is instituted because of crimes the recipient committed. The beheadings are of INNOCENT PEOPLE.
DUH.
Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 03:44 PM (ptOpl)
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GOLDFALCON, LAURA: It's hopeless, why try.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 11, 2004 04:44 PM (eVGfQ)
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I know, I just can't resist pinheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 06:31 PM (ptOpl)
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Whoa, let me straighten some things out up in here.
"But I thought Islam was the religion of peace?"
"You kill what you can, then go to the next place and kill what you can. You just hope the peaceful NATION OF ISLAM doesn't breed them faster than you can kill them."
"Islam is a religion of peace just like every other religion..."
Islam is NOT, strictly speaking, a religion of peace. Like most major religions, it's a religion of peace where possible, and justice where necessary. I think all of this oversimplification about Islam isn't helpful. Christianity isn't only about being peaceful. It's about compassion, true, but also discipline. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have many of the same roots, and they all try to strike a balance between mercy/compassion and discipline/justice. For the most part they do a decent job, which is why they're major religions. Any religion that makes people too wimpy won't last, because it's a tough world out there. Any religion that makes people too aggressive will turn people off. Historically most Muslims and Christians have been peaceful, but they've also fought when they thought it was necessary.
Now, though, it's tougher because we're dealing with some fringe Islamic extremist groups that are a new breed. Bin Laden mixes his weird brand of politics with a twisted version of Islam. There's no Islamic pope, so there's no one to officially tell him he's off his rocker. It's interesting, though, that even many of the Taliban religious scholars condemn the kind of attacks bin Laden carries out. Some of them didn't want to hand him over in '01 not because they condoned the attacks but because they thought we hadn't proved bin Laden was guilty. (And it's true. Technically we really hadn't provided any decent proof.)
The Taliban are extremists compared to most Muslims worldwide, so most Muslims are a lot MORE reasonable about all of this.
Posted by: trr at November 12, 2004 06:36 AM (5gh+7)
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I'm talking from a moral stand point. Yes I have seen the beheadings, well thirty seconds of it, and it made me so physically ill that I had to leave work and go home.(I know, do some work)
The problem is, as I have already siad, is that they believe that is what should happen to non-believers of their religion, rightly or wrongly. They do not believe they are killing innocent civilians. It's black and white. Exactly the same as the death penalty. How can we condemn a man for murder when we will do exactly the same to him? It makes absoultely no sense.
The problem with this Christian led country is that it believes totally that the laws they set down are the absolute right ones. Sounds just like Islam to me.
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 12, 2004 06:50 AM (ccz95)
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Matt, you're a dingbat. How can you possibly say that the death penalty is the SAME AS BEHEADING INNOCENT CIVILIANS??????????????????
Do you not know what the death penalty is? It's to get rid of sick bastids who choose a life of murder. Take a life, we take yours. This is the justice system.
However, the beheadings are of innocent people, accused of no crimes, hard working people, minding their own business, when they were ruthlessly kidnapped and slaughtered for NO GOOD REASON.
How can you even THINK it's the same thing???
(shakes head)
Posted by: Laura at November 12, 2004 09:18 AM (ptOpl)
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trr is getting sicker and sicker all the time. This defend Islam at all costs shit is getting old.
Matt Bing comparing the death penalty to innocent people tortured and beheaded is sick. What kind of people are these? Either of you two idiots married to one of them? Or perhaps you are one of them.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 13, 2004 11:54 AM (uu9vw)
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There's a nest of ants in my yard. Occasionally several bit me. Let me see. Do I find the individual ants that bit me? Or do I get rid of the nest? I think I'll get rid of the whole nest. I figure the nest will produce more biters.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 13, 2004 12:03 PM (uu9vw)
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Roost, oh, but don't you know that's a poor parallel? After all it's innocent people we're talking about, and not ants!
;-)
Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 12:22 PM (ptOpl)
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Tried to show a little understanding at the ant nest this morning.
Still got bit.
I looked inside the nest and the one's that didn't bit me were feeding and caring for the ones that bit me.
Noticed that some of them are developing big heads with big pinchers on them. Came from same nest. Didn't notice any big headed ones last week.
Charlie say's they're fire ants and originated in another country.
Worse is that I see another little mount of loose dirt.
Could they be expanding?
Now am I going to have two nests to deal with?
Maybe if I'm real nice and feed them, educate them and bring them in the house when they need medical care they won't bite me.
I'll try this approach and see what happens.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 09:31 AM (gRK3v)
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Ant nest getting bigger. Charlie says mounds are growing because they outbreed the native ants.
Haven't figured what to do.
I did notice a catapillar walking by the nest minding it's own business.
The ants chewed it's head off.
Almanac says pour boiling water over the nest.
Shit if I do that and the liberals find out they will call me ignorant.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 03:21 PM (PYLjW)
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Checked the nest this morning. Looks the same. Wife brought home some ant killer. Says sprinkle on nest and it will kill the breeders and nest will die off. Bombed the little bastards with grains of this stuff from 3 feet in air.
2nd nest growing. Lots of activity, I think they are fighting with the local ants. Left them alone since nest started. Big headed ones bit me anyway. Quess they don't like me because I'm different.
Going to use the boiling water thing.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 08:10 AM (aavE0)
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I say kill the whole let of 'em!
Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 03:40 PM (ptOpl)
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Let me know if that hot water thing works, I am being invaded too!
Posted by: JS at November 18, 2004 04:52 AM (a6kuN)
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