March 29, 2006
32 Bad Guys, Two Good Guys Killed in Afghanistan
We are at war with the Taliban, yet
Yale has no problem admitting a Taliban spokesman as a student. I wonder if Goebbels would have been admitted in 1943? God Bless our soldiers fighting in Afghanistan and may those who gave the ultimate sacrifice rest in peace.
Forbes:
Militants attacked a coalition forces base in southern Afghanistan on Wednesday, sparking a fierce battle that killed 32 suspected Taliban militants and two troops - one American and one Canadian, officials said.
The battle in Helmand province's Sangin district also wounded three Canadian soldiers, Canadian Brig. Gen. David Fraser told reporters at a base in southern Kandahar city. In addition, a U.S. military statement said an American soldier was hurt.
The fighting was the deadliest in months and highlights the threat rebels still pose four years after the Taliban was ousted by U.S.-led coalition forces. Direct attacks on foreign bases are unusual, and Wednesday's assault comes after the Taliban warned of a renewed offensive this year.
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16 to 1 isn't bad odds. Get bigger bombs and make it 100 to 1. The fact that they are attacking in mass means they are being trained, probably in Iran. Iran has got to be next.
Posted by: 10ksnooker at March 29, 2006 09:27 AM (7evkT)
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If this is an example of a renewed offensive, they haven't learned much. Direct attacks on the coalition are not a bad strategy for the coalition.
Posted by: Javapuke at March 29, 2006 09:54 AM (z1nSd)
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I think a more important question might be "how did he ever get a visa?" I am more troubled by the fact that he was allowed INTO the United Staes then where he is going to school. Shouldn't his name have been on the no-fly list ? That must have been a great flight across the Atlantic for the person making conversation with him "So Sayed what did you do before gettting into Yale ?"
Posted by: john Ryan at March 29, 2006 09:58 AM (TcoRJ)
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Now you're thinking, John Ryan. I've asked this question, and have been told that bureaucrats at the Embassy in Islamabad issued a visa for this guy. Why he wasn't on a no-fly list is another good question. I've tried to find that out to no avail. Contact your congressman. Perhaps you will have better luck than I had from my Democratic congressman.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 29, 2006 10:08 AM (rUyw4)
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Those afghan muslimes are probably pussed off because Addul Rahman got away. But hey, at least they're coming out of their holes and caves to attack fortified positions in force.
Sounds like a great plan to me.........
Posted by: n.a. palm at March 29, 2006 10:16 AM (LIokd)
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Actually, I think both issues are important in regards to Hashemi's presence. One being,
What official thought it was a good idea to give him the stamp of approval?" and the other being,
"What the hell is wrong with our universities?" Another good question is who offered him university admittance besides Yale? Yale admits to competing for one other person of questionable character, and losing much to their dismay, although they won't say who it was. It's almost like a competition on who can have the most controversial person on their student rolls.
They don't just hand out "student" visas to people who haven't even applied to a university. It's not like Hashemi just wandered into the country on a "visitor" visa and then decided to go to school.
Posted by: Oyster at March 29, 2006 10:27 AM (rGS2g)
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32 dead Muslims? Now that's a good start
Posted by: Andy at March 29, 2006 10:31 AM (tMU4W)
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Oyster, after some research, Hashemi was aided by a group of liberals from Jackson, Wyoming. They run an organization called The International Education Foundation. (www.intedfoundation.org)
Go to their web site and see what appeasement looks like. It is in living color.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 29, 2006 11:02 AM (rUyw4)
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Yes a great victory for the mujahadbeens or at least I expect them to claim that any minute now. In a way it is they dug up 32 suckers that we made to die for their cause.
Posted by: Howie at March 29, 2006 12:05 PM (D3+20)
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JJ, I went to that site and found some pretty amazing propaganda to promote Hashemi in order to solicit funds:
"In the spring of 2001 he came to the U.S. for a series of talks to try and bridge the growing gulf between the moderate Taliban and the U.S. government." Get that? The "moderate" Taliban.
And this:
"He speaks four languages, is married with two small children, and his hobby is "gravitational theory as it applies to astrophysics."" Amazing! A fourth grade education and this is his "hobby"? hahaha.
This was almost their entire pitch to raise $10K for his "summer education" and Yale nearly guaranteed him a full scholarship if he could only improve his English enough to keep up with reading requirements.
My mouth is still hanging open.
Posted by: Oyster at March 29, 2006 01:19 PM (rGS2g)
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No doubt all these "facts" were used to gain Hashemi entry into the US. I still haven't found out how Yale entered into all this, or even how they knew about this guy, but I imagine one of the moonbats in Wyoming is a Yale graduate with some connections. I'm bound to find out. Stay tuned.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 29, 2006 02:55 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ as I understand when he was in Pakistan he met some Yale Grads there and they helped him get started.
Posted by: Howie at March 29, 2006 02:57 PM (D3+20)
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Howie and Oyster,
There is a wealth of information out there on this group of moonbats and the International Education Foundation. Mike Hoover, the founder of this organization, was active as a free lance reporter in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. He is better known as a filmmaker.
Tat Maxwell, another of the IEF supporters, just recently led protests against Vice President Cheney when he returned to Wyoming after his hunting accident. She and about five others protested his visit to Jackson Hole.
Robert Schuster, a personal injury lawyer, is also a supporter of the IEF and the DNC. If you want, oyster, you can go to his website, but it is nothing more than the typical personal injury lawyer site. Apparently he met Hoover after representing Hoover in a wrongful death action. Hoover's wife was killed in a helicopter crash in 1994 along with the rest of the passengers and crew, except for Mike Hoover.
It is possible that a former CBS News reporter by the name of Kurt Lohbeck also participates in IEF, but I am not sure yet. I will find out.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 29, 2006 03:42 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ needs a password methinks.
Posted by: Howie at March 29, 2006 03:56 PM (D3+20)
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MSM headlines all have quite a different spin on this one. Negative Framing all the way around.
Posted by: Howie at March 29, 2006 04:01 PM (D3+20)
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Still all - it takes a lotta juice for getting him into Yale - the answer is there along with the trail to his "sponsors".
Posted by: hondo at March 29, 2006 05:38 PM (StM4D)
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hondo, some of these guys, Hoover and Lohbeck both, had close ties to the CIA. I think you have to look no further than that to find the grease.
Welcome back!
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 29, 2006 05:48 PM (rUyw4)
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Wow, good work, Joe. The only thing is, when you dig deep enough to get to the gist of an issue, it can get pretty depressing finding out that there are so many far left whack-jobs in this country who work very hard to undermine everything that made this country great. Sometimes I just wanna cry.
Posted by: Oyster at March 29, 2006 07:58 PM (YudAC)
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Yes, Oyster, it makes you want to give up, but I have three children, and I want them to grow up with a chance to live in a decent world. And I marvel at the information and power we regular people have at our fingertips. A few years ago we were not able to counter anything the liberal media said, and now look at the power we have. I am now hopeful, rather than hopeless.
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It's Official: Our Afghan Allies Are Fascists
I guess the only positive way to spin the story that the Afghani Parliament is demanding that Abdul Rahman remain in the country so he can receive punishment for apostasy is that at least they're
our SOBs. Between the Taliban and the new fascist leaders of Afghanistan who are pro-American, I'll take the latter.
AP:
Afghanistan's parliament demanded Wednesday that the government prevent a man who faced the death penalty for abandoning Islam for Christianity from being able to flee the country.
Abdul Rahman was released from prison Monday after a court dropped charges of apostasy against him because of a lack of evidence and suspicions he may be mentally ill.
"We sent a letter and called the Interior Ministry and demanded they not allow Abdul Rahman to leave the country," parliamentary speaker Yunus Qanooni told reporters on behalf of the entire body.
BBC:
The issue was discussed in the Afghan parliament on Wednesday, with almost all MPs in agreement that "his leaving Afghanistan must be prohibited", the AFP news agency reported.
Dr Assadullah Hymatyar, an MP from Logar province, told the BBC that parliament was planning to investigate the events that led to Mr Rahman's release.
"We will ask the judge to explain to us why he was released. In the beginning they said he was mentally fit. So why is he mentally unfit now?" he asked.
"If he is really mentally unfit than that's a separate issue. But if not we will ask the judge why he allowed international pressure to influence him."
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I think the problem is it's the religion.
Posted by: 10ksnooker at March 29, 2006 08:38 AM (7evkT)
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>>>>Our Afghan Allies Are Fascists
You mean they're muslim.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 29, 2006 08:41 AM (8e/V4)
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>>>>>> Our Afghan allies are Fascists ? Italy offerred him asylum. The USA refused to; it might have upset our allies.
Posted by: john Ryan at March 29, 2006 11:27 AM (TcoRJ)
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>>>The USA refused to
really? He asked, and was REFUSED? Source please.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 29, 2006 11:31 AM (8e/V4)
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We refused? Are you sure of that. I think Italy did becuase of the involvement of the Catholic Chruch. Worse comes to worse we should take him threats, problems and all.
Posted by: Howie at March 29, 2006 11:33 AM (D3+20)
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Looking at this post carefully, I wonder if it isn't a hoax...
Parliamentary speaker Yunus Qanooni, "You Noose Ka-Nooney"? Ok. Maybe.
Howsabout Dr. Assadullah Hymatyar? "Ass a dulla"? C'mon. What were his parents thinking? And what do they call him 'for short'?
Granted, the action and language DOES sound like something that would come from a rabid, backward, theocracy, but even that seems a little 'over the top'.
It's a hoax. Look around fors Seymour Butts, Claude Balls and Amanda Hugenkiss.
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Posted by: Oyster at March 29, 2006 01:24 PM (rGS2g)
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As I've said before; a good muslim is a dead muslim.
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March 27, 2006
Die Troll Die Part II
I had to do some stuff to kill a troll this AM. If you have trouble making comments please email me or Rusty. Not you our regular trolls who just say stuff. You guys are OK....For Now!!!! muhahahaahah!!!
Update : I'm on you like stink on shit, now go away boy you bother me.
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Skink on shit?
I was unaware of that amphibian's enormous liking for feces.
Ya larn sumtin' er'ry day, huh?
Posted by: mojo at March 27, 2006 01:19 PM (ft4rL)
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Ooops spellin err there.
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 01:25 PM (D3+20)
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A Skink is a reptile
Posted by: davec at March 27, 2006 02:46 PM (CcXvt)
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regex() solutions invariably fail for idiots like the above --^
you should be using server side r-> variables to trap this goon.
Help us PixyMisa, you're our only hope!
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Posted by: davec at March 27, 2006 03:50 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave if you have code you think will work with our tool email me and we'll put our head together. I reckon that Rusty and Pixi will take care of him soon. In the mean time nothing beats a good operator. I need a string with 4 or 5 or 6 digit numeric + @ hotmail but then he will just change but I can modify that code to match his puny brain. Now if this was cobol I'd already have him beat. I have tool that converts cobol to PC but no telling what would happen if I tried that I'd rather not blow it up.
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 04:12 PM (D3+20)
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OMG...Cobol...you sound like a real whiz there, champ.
Posted by: Ancient Programmer at March 27, 2006 04:19 PM (ssa4j)
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dinosaur that is.
Yes cobol RPG Xgen pascal, some c for entertainment. Other code I just look and play with it. You end up doing what you get paid for. So screw you dipwad let me drop a 2 million lines in like a 15 pound listing in tiny type with subsystem after subsystem on your desk and see how you like it. I've been playing with machines all my life right now I'm writing code that was invented before you were born(74). The cool thing is you all live on code created as the base for all your systems 30 years ago. Can't get rid of it or the whole world falls apart. You don't like it I'll let you write the converted program and oh yeah I have about 30,000 users mission critical. Lick me.
Oh I do have C C++ and Perl for linux. Played with C and should I ever have tgime away from dinosaur code I'll tech myself that. Perl I'm kind of intrested in. The machine I use is heavier that your car. A lot smaller than they used to be, now they only take up one room. A few more years and they will be just dishwasher sized. It can run nuclear simulations but those are written in Fortran
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 04:30 PM (D3+20)
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Oh boy the troll can type letters too I'm amazed
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 04:47 PM (D3+20)
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I spend a lot of energy to make sure machines work and jerks like this waste their talent fucking shit up. Any dork can fuck shit up making it work and work well is the hard part.
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 04:54 PM (D3+20)
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You think I'm typing out those long posts?
Err..I'm using a 10-line script. Or couldn't you figure that part out?
I love how you keep adding on to your 4:30pm post to try to convince yourself you're still relevant in today's world LOL.
Posted by: This One Was Typed at March 27, 2006 04:57 PM (RsMM0)
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10 lines like I say any dipshit can break something.
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 04:59 PM (D3+20)
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And I recognized it was just a program first post dip. I dig for patterns for a living
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 05:00 PM (D3+20)
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Relavant enough I get paid to train greenies every year who only know C C++ Visual basic because someone told him cobol was dead asking. How do you write this shit.
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 05:07 PM (D3+20)
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uninterestingly enough, I've spent most of the day patching a remote security vuln in sendmail on a large webfarm.
Hopefully patching for the last time, as I plan to migrate them all to Qmail.
That guy might defeat regex() and IP bans, through a proxy / SOCKS , but I'm sure there are things he can't change that are passed to the web server
Posted by: davec at March 27, 2006 05:37 PM (CcXvt)
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Hmmm, Howie gets called ancient for knowing COBOL and I remember when it was the coolest new thing. How about punch cards? And Assembler? Whew, talk about exciting...Gack! Hell, you youngsters even have it made with DSL and Broadband. I've been on the Internet so long I remember when we had to carry the electrons one by one, to and from the machine.
Posted by: Oyster at March 27, 2006 07:28 PM (YudAC)
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I don't know jack about any of the crap which you all discuss so ineloquently, but I can beat a man to death with my bare hands if it comes down to it, and I can improvise a weapon or tool from almost anything at hand, though not as well as McGuyver did, and I will never, ever go hungry, no matter how bad things get; ergo, I win. Nyah-nyaaah.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 27, 2006 08:12 PM (0yYS2)
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I've moved more blips than I can possibly imagine.
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 08:13 PM (D3+20)
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IM I'm going to post a pic of the deepfreeze for ya. And yeah what are you going to throw a floppy at a deer? Ur uh it would be very hard to go hungry where I live provided you have just a minimal weapon. cheap ammo. Knife. fishin pole etc. I really like outside work better or used to. Desk work kills just not fast enough.
Dave I see some thingys kind of like the script type variable thingy you described. It's a start.
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 08:48 PM (D3+20)
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Windows has a purpose. Terminal emulation.
Howie why did I write the invalid index and how do I recover the database and get it all run before daybreak?
You do what on what plaform and run on this and this and this platform that I nver heard of.
Get the what files and move them to where?
My program has been running for five hours and used only processor and no IO. What's wrong?
Posted by: Howie at March 27, 2006 09:27 PM (D3+20)
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If you expose TROLLS to sunlight they turn to stone
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March 24, 2006
More Christians Arrested in Afghanistan
Thanks religion of tolerance!
Compass:
During the past few days, Compass has confirmed the arrest of two other Afghan Christians elsewhere in the country. Because of the sensitive situation, local sources requested that the location of the jailed converts be withheld.
This past weekend, one young Afghan convert to Christianity was beaten severely outside his home by a group of six men, who finally knocked him unconscious with a hard blow to his temple. He woke up in the hospital two hours later but was discharged before morning.
“Our brother remains steadfast, despite the ostracism and beatings,” one of his friends said.
Several other Afghan Christians have been subjected to police raids on their homes and places of work in the past month, as well as to telephone threats.
Via
Robert Spencer.
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Rally against Islamofascism!
Noon to 1pm
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Alarm!!!
Genocide in Afghanistan, Christians getting round up and murdered....Wake up the Pope!
Posted by: Dan at March 24, 2006 11:55 AM (Z2OsI)
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Hmmm, Does anyone believe what you write? but then, ppl believed weapons of mass destruction and war mongers too!
Posted by: Afghan at March 24, 2006 03:20 PM (eRNuB)
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I'm not criticizing (at this point) but I haven't heard much from Islamic leaders in North America about this case. We hear about Political leaders from the west expressing condemnation but nothing from Muslim leaders. I haven't seen anything, maybe it's just not being covered. I dunno.
Posted by: Darren at March 24, 2006 03:21 PM (0punS)
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CAIR did issue a statement.
Posted by: Howie at March 24, 2006 03:23 PM (D3+20)
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Perhaps our State Department forgot to include page 2 "Religious Freedom and Democracy" in the packet that they sent over to set up the Afghan Constitution.
Posted by: LeRoy at March 25, 2006 09:48 AM (pCSuS)
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'Moderate' Clerics: Christian Convert Must Die, "Cut off his head!"
Clearly, Islam is
the religion of peace.
CNN:
Senior Muslim clerics are demanding that an Afghan man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity be executed, warning that if the government caves in to Western pressure and frees him, they will incite people to "pull him into pieces."...
"Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate and was jailed three times for opposing the Taliban before the hard-line regime was ousted in 2001....
But three Sunni preachers and a Shiite one interviewed by The Associated Press in four of Kabul's most popular mosques said they do not believe Rahman is insane.
"He is not crazy. He went in front of the media and confessed to being a Christian," said Hamidullah, chief cleric at Haji Yacob Mosque. "The government is scared of the international community. But the people will kill him if he is freed."
Raoulf, who is a member of the country's main Islamic organization, the Afghan Ulama Council, concurred. "The government is playing games. The people will not be fooled."
"Cut off his head!" he exclaimed, sitting in a courtyard outside Herati Mosque. "We will call on the people to pull him into pieces so there's nothing left."
He said the only way for Rahman to survive would be for him to go into exile.
But Said Mirhossain Nasri, the top cleric at Hossainia Mosque, one of the largest Shiite places of worship in Kabul, said Rahman must not be allowed to leave the country.
"If he is allowed to live in the West, then others will claim to be Christian so they can, too," he said. "We must set an example. ... He must be hanged."
"We are a small country and we welcome the help the outside world is giving us. But please don't interfere in this issue," Nasri said. "We are Muslims and these are our beliefs. This is much more important to us than all the aid the world has given us."
It's not like Muhammed didn't approve of killing apostates, so why is it shocking news when 'moderate' Muslims want to get back to that old-time religion and execute those who have left the faith?
Hat tip to our good friend Mike who has hung up the blogging gloves.
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Whoa, wait. Suddenly the law of that land is that no one can leave Afghanistan? When did they become a Soviet state?
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at March 24, 2006 10:32 AM (/lpvu)
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>>>Clearly, Islam is the religion of peace.
Yeah, I'm convinced.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 24, 2006 10:39 AM (8e/V4)
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Ernie is right on. During the cold war we did not sust poiunt out he things we disliked about communism and said ther rest is OK. No to transform it or win over the long term you have to attack communism itseld and then point to specific instances. Islam is no different. We need a comprehensive cold war type propaganda war to shame Islam into change or destruction. Small Warm wars are not enough. I note we did not have the left defending THE USSR. Well a few did but mostly our nation was united in the cold war. How we could do so well against that and not do the same now is just crazy. The only reason communism was more of a threat is because they held more power. Now looking back Islam makes communism look tame.
Posted by: Howie at March 24, 2006 10:45 AM (D3+20)
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Is conversion insulting to God, or merely insulting to the clerics, who have one person less to rule over.
Posted by: Graeme at March 24, 2006 10:51 AM (b83nn)
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There have been a lot of comparisons to the former Soviet Union and the will probably some more to come comparing Islam to fascism and the rule of the Nazi party. They both fit, when compared to the mind-numbing control they have over their people.
What ever happened to America taking a stand for people who suffered under the iron fist of religious persecution? ItÂ’s too bad this guy can't defect to an American installation. Its too bad that if he did the politically controlled military senior leadership and the mindless civilian leadership we have in some positions in this country would turn him away and over to the Taliban-Lite Imams and Clerics of that country. I really wonder what the outcome would be if this guy asked for asylum based on the grounds of religious persecution?
I have been in Iraq now for 11 months, and I have been here training Iraqi soldiers for the entire time, and I can tell you through direct interaction with these "Muslims"...most of them follow the religion when it suits their purposes. There are they few, maybe 20%, that are hardcore Muslims. For the most part though, the officials I interact with, the soldiers, the Clerics, Imams, Governors, sheiks, and everyone else use the religion of Islam in a manner suitable to better their own positions. For instance, I catch the Governor of the province stealing large sums of cash...he shrugs his shoulders and says, "it is the way of things, and everyone is corrupt." I remind him that Islamic law requires his hand to be removed for stealing (a crime against Allah) and he just shrugs his shoulders and waves it off as no big deal. On the other hand, we couldn't get him to go to work for a month during Ramadan because he was to righteous to leave the house and too tired from not eating or drinking during the day, we can't get him to get politically involved with the Imams because they speak the holy word of Allah and Islam is absolute, and worst yet, we bore witness to the aftermath of the stoning of his third wife for talking to a man on the streets because she brought dishonor to his family and his tribe. Fair-weather Muslims, I say.
The question to theorize about and to discuss is not whether or not the Afghani Clerics are right or wrong, whether or not their religion is wacko or not (I think we can answer those questions pretty much with out discussion) but rather to try and understand what the Imams and Clerics stand to gain from this aspect of Islamic interpretation and the hard stance for it. There are literally thousands of other things they could focus their religious rage, power, and influences upon. They could point the Koran at the Muslims killing Muslims in the country, or at the rampant crime in the country, or the drug trade, or the negligent treatment towards children; all of which are against the writings of Mohammed and the will of Allah. What are they going to gain from this and what is the downside for them?
I think a lot of the world is blind to the reality of this portion of the country. It is so much akin to the influence and power of the Catholic Empire during the Spanish inquisition, or to the reasons why people fled to America, because there are huge portions of the populace that are suffering under the abusive positions of power bestowed upon corrupt and power hungry Imams and Clerics. Open your eyes. We are watching our own history in a manner of speaking.
Posted by: The Gunny at March 24, 2006 11:49 AM (UItaE)
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Makes you wonder what the reactions of some of these moderates would be if a North American or European Christian converted to Islam, was beaten for it, and then threatened with death by the state. I'm sure they'd all view it as simply the law of the country in which it was occuring and move on to other business.
Posted by: Venom at March 24, 2006 12:05 PM (dbxVM)
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Gunny,
"...most of them follow the religion when it suits their purposes."
Sounds like another religion I know of. Come to think of it, it sounds like every religion I've ever come in contact with.
"The question to theorize about and to discuss is... rather to try and understand what the Imams and Clerics stand to gain from this aspect of Islamic interpretation and the hard stance for it."
This is good question. I suspect it's similar to what drove the Nazis. Why did they single out the Jews when they could have set the people to work on serious problems? Part of it is that it's a problem that doesn't shoot back. This makes it a risk-free way to look pious and gain public favor while fighting a hated enemy.
And hate him, they do. I don't think the clerics are lying about that. The Afghan-in-the-street interviews I'm seeing are showing folks calling for blood. Are most Muslims hypocrites? Maybe. But most Christians are hypocrites too, but that didn't make burning witches and tarring Mormons any less popular. Rahman's life is over in Afghanistan regardless of what the court does. The people really will pull him to pieces. And if the clerics stand in their midst urging them on, they might gain some prestige for taking a stand on core religious values and confronting the infidel West.
On the other hand, trying to get the people worked up about Islamic rules that they don't really care about (like caring for your wives and kids properly) or that would cost them money (like not dealing dope) would rather cost the clerics political capital than gain them anything.
That's my guess anyway, but you'd know better than I how accurate it is.
Posted by: ShannonKW at March 24, 2006 12:40 PM (dT1MB)
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ShannonKW
"I suspect it's similar to what drove the Nazis. Why did they single out the Jews when they could have set the people to work on serious problems? Part of it is that it's a problem that doesn't shoot back. This makes it a risk-free way to look pious and gain public favor while fighting a hated enemy."
I completely agree. It is a cowardÂ’s stance. It is always easy to steal lunch money from the small kid.
"And hate him, they do...The people really will pull him to pieces."
They will your right. However, we shouldn't get mob frenzy and intelligent thought confused. I work with the Iraqi military. Since they have no banking system they have to physically take money home to their families. No problem. We send them home for 7 days a month for vacation and to take pay home. When we arrived to begin training they were taking 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. That means that US Army and US Marines are fighting the war over here 24/7 and the Iraqi Army (who is supposed to be taking over) is working 6 months out of the year. When we directed the change, the Iraqi soldiers RIOTED. They burned stuff, tore stuff down, beat themselves, and threw their weapons and uniforms away. Point being, all that was over a 7 day change in the schedule. This is a culture that is used to over-reaction and to "making a statement". Everything they do is for your viewing pleasure. I just wouldn't get too caught up in the mass group rhetoric. The same people that danced around Saddam H's fallen statue are the same people that will the next day dance in the streets next to a destroyed US vehicle with body parts strewn across the street. They just react...with very little thought and they definetly flow with the tide, like desert nomads. There is a significant Mob mentality in this country and it is a cultural trait that is foreign to a more Privacy Oriented American point of view.
"that would rather cost the clerics political capital than gain them anything."
Point ON!!
"That's my guess anyway, but you'd know better than I how accurate it is."
I think you are right on the button. Calculated gain, maximum exposure, minimal risk. The cowards fight. If the Imams and Clerics would stand up to terrorist Muslims who kill Muslims in direct violation of the Koran...then, they might be on to something. It is typical religious hypocrisy (but that, I think, is a whole different conversation).
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They're not going to stand up to Muslim on Muslim violence, because a Shiite is kaffir in the eyes of a Sunni, and vice versa. They don't need a reason for it. They'll just create one.
What a God awful mess these people are.
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Gunny, the problem has now come to our shores. What do you suggest happen here, as Islam is growing.
Please do not compare this subject to Europes past. I am talking right now, right here.
Thank you for your service to our country.
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Leatherneck,
First off, let me say “Semper Fidelis”.
Now...on to the discussion.
"the problem has now come to our shores. What do you suggest happen here, as Islam is growing."
Well, I am not too sure that American Muslims are going to be quite the problems as they are in the Middle East. We have this great thing called "Separation of church and state"; allowing this nation to proceed and develop laws not based on the bible (more or less) or the Koran, but developed on a collective elected moral agenda. We have a government that is fluid and expendable, and we have the right to deny or accept religion at whim. They don't. Every country in the Middle East is dominated be Religion. It permeates every facet of their life. Channel 8, Ali Al Salem TV, is the 100% prayer channel, all day, every day, and is the most watched channel in the region. You asked me not to allude to European history and I won't, but I will say that one of the saving graces in this country was the Constitution taking religious power out of the government, a prime reason for a large amount of our founding fathers immigration to this nation. The Afghani constitution states that no law can be made which is against the Koran and/or Islamic law. Could you imagine if the US Constitution said no law could be made that goes against the bible? I think we would have a significantly different culture. Old Testament or New? Kosher or not?
America will be little affected by Islam. The practitioners of Islam in America are bound by American law first and the Koran second. They cannot have two wives, they cannot stone their wives in the streets, and they sure as hell cannot kill another Muslim because he up and decides to become a Christian, a wiccan, or a scientologist. It is just illegal.
What should America do? HOLD THE LINE. Stay strong to the principals that have made her strong. Don't fold to the international pressure to give in. That is OUR hallmark. We MUST allow all people to have the freedom to follow their religious beliefs, within the law, but we must ensure that the law protects all people, Muslim and Christian, Sunni and Shiite, Tom Cruise and Hillary Clinton. We must endure that our government stays secular or becomes even more secular. There are a lot of people that get bent out of shape about prayer in school, in god we trust, and all that other hoop-lah. I for one am not an advocate of changing the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem, but I think we should be a little more sensitive to the effects of religion in the government. While we are, for the most part, free of theocratic involvement in overall politico, we should be aware of what happens when you let it in. Do you want Muslims prayer in your school mandated five times a day? ItÂ’ll happen if Christian Prayer in school is allowed. It is just a matter of time. When you take a stance against something, you have to stand still and not tap dance around the issue. Mad about a Muslim Government preaching the Koran and manipulating the country based on their religious views? Probably. Mad about a Christian governmental head expounding his views from the political pulpit? Probably not.
Is that right? Should religion be allowed in the government? Who knows? I think it should be minimized just to be fair to the melting pot called USA. You can only let it in so much, until it builds, permeates, and then the levy breaks and itÂ’s Louisiana all over again.
When a Mosque in downtown L.A. sounds it’s little horn and commences to Jummah on Friday I celebrate a little on the inside because it means America is still free and my oath “to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, BOTH foreign and domestic” has been fulfilled. When that mosque is denied the right to holler like a dying cat or some Cleric decided to kill his wife because she talked to the fruit vendor at Piggly Wiggly, well then it is time to drop the proverbial hammer and let the system run.
but thats just a dumb grunts opinion.
Posted by: The Gunny at March 24, 2006 04:50 PM (UItaE)
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That doesn't sound anything like dumb statements from a dumb grunt to me.Actually,sir it sounds very statesmen like and also you throw out a lot of wisdom,two bad our modern day pols couldn't give the explanation you just did.Also,Thank you for your service and Semper Fi
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Our only problem here is determining which Muslims respect the law of the land and which ones are coming over here to attempt rally support for a radical agenda or to use our system against us. We fail somewhat in that respect. Yet, for the most part those Muslims here in the states are freedom loving people and are here to escape Sharia law and oppression. They understand what is at stake.
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I hope you are right, Oyster, I hope you are right. But I doubt I. We'll see.
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And at the same time the liberal left-wing news media are always yammering about christian fundalmentalists who oppose evolution,sex education, revionists history,enviromentalist education, and such and hardly say a thing about the radical clerics
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Jihadi vs. Jihadi: Zarqawi Threatens 'Moderate' Terrorist
I just love this CNN interview with the son of Hamas founder Abdullah Azzam explaining the division that erupted in the late 1980s between Azzam and Osama bin Laden. Apparently Azzam's "kill all the Jews" policy was a little too
moderate for bin Laden. The Muslim Brotherhood, the radical Egyptian organization which bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri once belonged to, is believed to be behind Azzam's murder. The family feud continues today when the adopted heir to the al Qaeda legacy, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, recently delivered a personal threat to the son of the Hamas founder, Huthaifa Azzam.
What would have been really interesting is if, instead of a slipping a CD with a personal message under the door, Zarqawi would have left a bloody decapitated horse's head on Azzam's pillow. Never go against the family Azzam.
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I bet the conversation went something as follows: " I am a better moon god worshipper than you. No you're not. I'm going to tell Mom. I am going to cut your head off Jew lover!"
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It goes a little deeper than that, it's believed al-Zawahiri, and Mohammed Atef, planted the carbomb.
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"Jews durka durka infidels durka durka Jews durka durka apostate durka durka jihad durka durka Mohammed durka durka allahu akbar durka durka durka." An actual, genuine transcript of the conversation.
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Maybe someone ought to send Zarqawi a letter back full of petty insults like calling him a woman and throw a few Mohammed cartoons in the envelope and sign it "Azzam". P.S. I had your wife and she ain't that great.
Think that might ratchet up the infighting?
Posted by: Oyster at March 24, 2006 05:55 AM (YudAC)
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Heh. Reminds me of the SNL skit called "Goth Talk", or something like that, where a bunch of losers sat around someone's basement in their makeup, each proclaiming
"I'm way more goth than you are."
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I doubt it Oyster. The reply Azzam'll get would be: "Welcome to my world." Much the same as what you'd get if you sent an identical package to Bill Clinton.
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Muhammed on Apostasy: There's a reason so many Muslims approve of the death penalty for apostates
Why do "radical" Muslims believe that apostates ought to be given the death penalty? Because that is what Muhammed taught, that's why!
For instance, Muhammed is reported as saying:
"If someone changes his deen - strike his neck!" [Malik's Muwatta Book 36, Number 36.18.15]
"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." [Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17]
"(He was) a Jew who embraced Islam and has now turned apostate." Muadh said, "I will surely chop off his neck!" [Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 632]
So, 'moderates' face an uphill battle in trying to convince Muslims that freedom of religion is a fundamental right because the example of Muhammed is one of a person who expressly endorses the death penalty for apostates--at least according to those hadiths (traditions) considered most authentic. Thus, it should come as no surprise that many in the Islamic world have no problem with jailing apostates, fining them, or even killing them.
Clinton Taylor catches the Yale student Sayed
Rahmatullah Hashemi justifying the imprisonment of Christian converts and missionaries back when he was working for the Taliban:
Their priority was to propagate Christianity which they were not supposed to do here
There's more, including an episode where Rahman urges a television set showing a movie on Jesus to be turned off, lest he too be accused of the capital crime of proseletyzing. Pictures too.
Given the example of Muhammed, does it come as any surprise that Danish Imam Ahmed Akkari has issued death threats against Naser Khader of the Social Liberals, caught on hidden camera?
If [Naser Khader] becomes the Minister of Foreigners or Integration, why donÂ’t we send out two guys to blow up him and his ministry?
Apparently Akkari said it was a joke. Excuse me if I don't find it funny.
Agora has more on the reaction.
It's frightening to see the intellectual and moral laziness of those who wish to equivocate religous & cultural stances on freedom. The chief culprit are journalists and editors in the MSM who either cannot see the difference between 'extremist' Buddhists and Muslims, or are just afraid to express those differences for fear of the latter.
Rob at Say Anything notices that Reuters has an article noticing the similarities between the Western reaction to the possible death of a man for expressing his inelianable right to leave a religious faith and to Islamic fascistic reaction to the Muhammed cartoons. Except, of course, the rest of the al Reuters story tells of one group standing up for human rights, and the other trying to quash them. They keep using that word similar. I do not think that word means what they think it means.
So, does this mean that we should not wage the war against radical Islam? That going in to Afghanistan was a mistake? That the Iraq war was a mistake?
No, of course not. Afghanistan is headed in the right direction and so is Iraq. Before our invasions of those two countries things were much much worse. As Clint also points out in his article, the Taliban sent Christian converts to re-education camps. There is more religious freedom in Afghanistan now than at any time.
However, we should have guarded optimism about the extent to which Muslim countries can ever achieve universal human rights. Even in moderate countries, such as Malaysia or Jordan, it is illegal to distribute Bibles to Muslims. The difference, then, between moderate Muslim nations and those in the extreme lie in the reaction to apostasy and not in whether or not apostasy is seen as a crime.
Islam is not just another religion like Christianity, Hinduism, or Buddhism. It does not recognize seperate spheres for politics and religion. Muhammed, unlike Jesus or the Buddha, was the founder of both a religion and a government ruled by religious decree.
This does not mean that Islam cannot reform itself to accept the right of an individual to choose their own faith. It just means that it will be far harder for Muslims to buy into the notion given the example of Muhammed and the ideological system founded by him.
It is good to see the White House and State Department urging a quick and favorable conclusion to the plight of Abdul Rahman. But our liberation of Afghanistan and our hopes for it must be tempered by the reality of Islam as more than just a religion as understood in the West--it is a political ideology.
Here is a good roundup of news on Abdul Rahman.
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Dont forget the Word of God, chapter 4 verse 89:
"They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them"
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If you're writing a sentence accusing people of intellectual and moral laziness, it's a good idea to make sure you know what all your words mean. (The word you wanted was "equate.")
I'll own that I can't summon much objectivity on the subject of the inalienable right go door-to-door inviting unoffending homeowners to change religions. I don't think I'm alone in this either; I'm just antisocial enough to admit in public the hearty desire to put some buckshot in them when they manifest on my porch. It has nothing to do with the content of the book they're carrying, I can assure you. Doorstep Koran pushers would catch the same hate, but they never show up, so they gain some unmerited favor with me.
Yeah, I know the people who go to woebegone corners of the Earth to feed the hungry and spread the Gospel are scarcely the same species as the pasty freaks in dress shirts who pester infidels here in the states, but it's an irrational emotion. When I hear about people like Rahman I find myself wanting to strike some sort deal like, "Here, you give us Rahman and I'll send you the next 10 people who try to give me a copy of The Watchtower!"
It's also hard to get on board with hope for Islam Lite(tm) that seems to possess so many of us in the West. Their attitude seems to be, "Hey, Jesus said a lot of inconvenient things, but we ignore those! Why can't you be hypocrites like us?" I think it'll happen eventually, but I don't want to be around to see it. Once these people quit taking God seriously there will be nothing left in them to respect.
Emotionalism aside, I'm curious to see how the legal side of this works out. As I understand it, Sharia is legitimately in force but it conflicts with the constitution. Which should take precedence? There's no doubt which has the popular mandate. Sharia sounds like the Authority of God to people who haven't seen civil order since 1979, while the constitution is some freaky foreign thing drawn up by slicks in Kabul to ensure the flow of international aid into their pockets. Losing the money is unthinkable in Kabul, but snubbing Sharia only costs the central government some legitimacy with the rest of the country, which isn't much of a sacrifice because they hardly have any to begin with. My guess is Rahman will walk but Sharia will be back the moment international aid dries up.
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Shannon, I would only argue that they're going against Sharia in other instances already. One of them being that women have been given some constitutional rights that Sharia does not allow for. As long as the world keeps an eye upon them, they will be shamed into finding some justification to go against more of it. Hence the change in rhetoric in regards to Mr. Rahman. They sure found an excuse for him, didn't they? Money is a huge motivator too. It's a step in the right direction. A baby step, mind you, but still a step. They're having a hard time letting go. Think of it as helping to reform an alcoholic.
Eventually they'll realize that what makes a nation great is not its government, but the freedoms its people enjoy.
Posted by: Oyster at March 24, 2006 06:22 AM (YudAC)
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March 21, 2006
General Hitchens
You are in command now!
Hitchens Via Slate : Up until now, I have resisted all urges to assume the mantle of generalship and to describe how I personally would have waged a campaign to liberate IraqÂ… Â…So, now I come at last to my ideal war.
I trust you wonÂ’t disappoint me.
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howie
He is not in command - being in command is proactive dealing with the present and future - with key on solutions.
He is in reflection - looking back - analysing mistakes made.
Reflection is good - you learn from your mistakes and don't repeat them in the future - and sometimes, past mistakes can be corrected (taken back) in real time as part of an evolving solution.
But in current political climate, reflection doesn't really achieve anything except fire up the opposition - who opposed the entire thing in the first place.
Posted by: hondo at March 21, 2006 01:58 PM (9pQ6D)
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Obi-Wan Kenshackleford : It was your fathers light saber, Not as clumsy or random as a blaster, an elegant weapon, from a more civilized age. He wanted you to have it when you were old enough but your uncle Hondo wouldn't allow it. He was afraid you might follow old Obi-Wan off on some damn fool crusade.
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In other words Hondo is correct but I liked the articles anyway. Christopher makes some good points. The general stuff was intended to make the post kind of fun. If it did not oh well. can't win em all.
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March 20, 2006
"I killed Americans": Al Qaeda Trial Begins in Turkey
Mohammad Haj Bakr al-Saqa is on trial in Turkey for acts of terrorism. Did he actually kill any Americans? None that we know of. However, Saqa, like many in the Middle East, may simply equate
Jews with
Americans.
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As he was dragged out of court, the suspect, a Syrian national identified as Loa'i Mohammad Haj Bakr al-Saqa said, "My beliefs prevent me from standing in front of people like you." He added, "I fought a Jihad, I killed Americans.".
Al-Saqa is on trial with 72 other suspected al-Qaida operatives for alleged involvement in a string of suicide bomb attacks in November 2003. Four suicide bombers driving explosives-laden vehicles targeted two synagogues, the British consulate and the Istanbul headquarters of the British HSBC bank.
The British Consul General was among the 58 people who died in the blasts. Most of those killed were Muslim Turks.
Turkish prosecutors charge that al-Qaida leader Osama Bin Laden personally ordered the Syrian to organize the attacks against Jewish and British nationals in Turkey. Al-Saqa and his alleged Syrian accomplice, Hamid Obysi, were captured in Turkey last August after a failed attempt to blow up Israeli cruise ships off Turkey's Mediterranean coast.
Al-Saqa reportedly told interrogators that the plan to kill Israeli tourists was financed by a top al-Qaida militant who allegedly gave him $50,000 to organize the plot.
So I've admitted in the past to having doubts about the death penalty. Guys like this seem to make those doubts disappear.
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I don't believe Turkey has the death penalty - think they gave it up to be euronized.
Posted by: hondo at March 20, 2006 02:05 PM (9pQ6D)
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How ironic; over at stormfront, they also automatically label anyone a Jew who isn't a nazi or at least pro-terrorist. Birds of a feather and all that...
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About your doubts, Rusty... these guys apparently want to die (why the hell else would someone do something as stupid as suicide bombings?), a better punishment would be to force them to live out their natural lives in 6'x8' cells 23 hours a day.
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Or go ahead and let them detonate themselves in a controlled environment like in the middle of a big field - alone. And if they chicken out, have a remote control at the ready.
Posted by: Oyster at March 20, 2006 03:24 PM (g9UJq)
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How about sentencing them to live in a 6 by 8 pig pen for the rest of their lives?
Posted by: Rusty at March 20, 2006 03:31 PM (JQjhA)
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Maybe he took Jay Bennish's geography class.
Posted by: CUS at March 20, 2006 03:55 PM (bbXZq)
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Rusty, that's animal cruelty. You'll have PETA all over you.
Posted by: Oyster at March 20, 2006 04:01 PM (g9UJq)
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A 30-06 bullet to the head will do the trick. It's best to get it over with. While they live, they still inspire others, when dead, they are hardly an inspiration. Of course, I mean after a trial for all you libs out there. The rest of us know that is what I mean, but you libs want to pick..pick...pick.
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Remember what a wise man said, JJ, "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
A martyr can be a powerful symbol, especially in the pre-modern world that is much of the Middle East.
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KG, you mean while everyone has to hold on to their crank, and have compassion, be sensitive, and little boys like you are taking hormone shots to get in touch with their female side. What a bunch of crap.
Put someone like J.C. in charge, or better yet, I.M., and there will not be anymore hand holding, and song singing when it comes to stupid mood god worshippers who want to blow themselves up, along with some women, and children.
Islam sucks, and so does their boy Mo. In HELL!
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Wow, Leatherneck, you got me nailed... I'm against the death penalty as a matter of policy so I must be a girly-man wuss.
You're obviously new to the program... I believe that winning this war (and modernizing the Middle East) is the great challenge of our time. But I don't believe that genocide is the answer. I also believe that torture is below the United States and has been since the days of General Washington.
You want to label me, fine, but take the time to check out either
my new blog or better yet
my old blog, figure out what I actually believe in before you say something so stupid.
Posted by: KG at March 20, 2006 10:16 PM (SZsz5)
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I say make 'em all martyrs.
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The only good matyr is a dead matyr!
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Saddam Al-Qaeda Cooperation Revealed
One bright sunny September morning the thought ran though my head that Iraq must have a hand in this. Just a bit more complicated than blowing up Buddha donÂ’t you think? Probably they would need some support for an operation like that. Just where would an organization like Al-Qaeda get money and support besides the Taliban?
Newsmax : An Iraqi intelligence document released last week indicates that Osama bin Laden sought to conduct "joint operations" with Saddam Hussein's regime six years before the 9/11 attacks - and was given the green light by the Iraqi dictator.
The document, detailed in the March 27 issue of the Weekly Standard, describes a Feb. 1995 meeting between bin Laden and Iraqi intelligence that was personally approved by "the Honorable Presidency" - an apparent reference to Saddam.
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See the translation of the original document here in which 'joint operations' are proposed between al Qaeda and Iraq]. Oh you mean that Saddam? Shocking!
Also see The Revolution Will be Blogged
I wonder how Democrats will react when documented proof that UBL "sought to conduct "joint operations" with Saddam Hussein's regime five years before the 9/11 attacks, and was given the green light by the Iraqi dictator." I suspect that they'll ignore it as best they can and hope that their media allies move to the next subject as quickly as possible.
Pretty damn good guess I'd say.
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Howie,
just as an editorial comment, exclamations marks on a headline don't add authority to it. Quite the opposite. My advice, lose it.
Now I'll read the rest of the post.
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>>>I wonder how Democrats will react
Why, they WON'T react. This will be completely ignored by both the Democrats and their water carriers in the mainstream media (but they'll run fake Abu Graib stories ad nauseum until they can get a Democrat back in the White House).
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Yes I never heard the words NO WMD or such stuff more than last week as this info was coming out. They just shouted louder and more often hoping no one would notice anything else.
Posted by: Howie at March 20, 2006 01:13 PM (D3+20)
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Yes, this is all good and fine and all, but DICK CHENEY SHOT SOMEONE!!!!!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 20, 2006 02:22 PM (0yYS2)
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And Cheny was drunk when he did it, and he wanted to murder his lawyer and blah...blah...blah...and what other lies can we come up with? Any lie will do, because our friends at CNN, ABC, CBS and especially the NYT will spread the lies.
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Hilarious. It takes a special kind of ideological fervor to imagine that this document proves anything with regard to 9/11, and that it exculpates the Bush administration which, for mysterious reasons, refuses to trumpet that exculpation when it's faced with 33% approval ratings. I am DYING to hear your fevered theories as to why the administration is shy about discussing publicly such critically important evidence.
What a wonderful, magical land you all inhabit.
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Yes it does take a special kind of moonbat to overlook the entire Iraq documentent translation project and all it's yield from the last two weeks. Hillarious.
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They're all "special" Howie. In a "short bus" kind of way, though.
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IM: Oh good one. I'm grinning.
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March 19, 2006
HowieÂ’s Sunday Post Vinnie Freezes His Arse Off Edition.
There, but for GodÂ’s grace, go I. Good job LaShawn, now neither of us have to look outside to see if our car is in the driveway.
Where the bloody hell am I indeed, Sugar!
DonÂ’t miss VonskiÂ’s weekly roundup of Good News in the GWOT. Also this week Vonski goes to the local moonbat zoo. Fascinating, little is understood about these creatures, but with enough study the hope is eventally the conflict with the much higher and more intelligent Homo Sapiens can be resolved.
Who loves ya boys? Not Hollywood.
Feisty Whore on bleeding heart liberal Aussie newspaper critic.
Feisty :The reason the newspapers mentioned the words 'Arab' and 'Muslim' in 89 percent of terrorism articles following 9/11 is because....the terrorists were Muslims bent hard on Jihad. You would have to have a major cranio-rectal inversion to think this is racist.
Well put.
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If they were 19 Chinese Falun Gong members, the press would have said so, and rightly.
I'm angry about the 11% of papers that didn't mention either.
Seriously, *those* articles must have been a hoot!
--Taq
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"Where the bloody hell are you?" The Brits really have lost their sense of humor. They found the word "bloody" offensive, but would have thought it peachy if the word were left out and the slogan read,
"Where the hell are you?" Here's a slogan they might be able to wrap their brains around -
"WTF, mate?"
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Britain and America both need a good bloodletting to cleanse the system.
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I know I'm a cheap link whore (check fatwa), but I'm excited about the boy getting home. I get all happy about little things some times.
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March 17, 2006
Bin Laded Reported Dead (Again)
I hope this is true, but don't count on it. Didn't we hear
the same report from Michael Ladeen, who also got it from an Iranian source back in January, claiming bin Laden had died of kidney failure in Iran? Via
Dan Riehl this from
Newsmax:
Weldon made the stunning claim during an interview Wednesday with the Philadelphia Inquirer, which reported: "Weldon is making explosive new allegations. He says a high-level source has told him that terrorist leader Osama bin Laden has died in Iran, where he has been in hiding."
Weldon cited as his source an Iranian exile code-named Ali, telling the paper: "Ali's told me that Osama bin Laden is dead. He died in Iran."
The more I become familiar with 'sources' in the Middle East, the more I am willing to dismiss their claims as conjecture, conspiracy, and simple wishful thinking.
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Arrr! they ain't gonna fool this seadog
Posted by: Inigo Montoya at March 17, 2006 05:00 PM (RHG+K)
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Arrr! Thar not gonna fool this seadog
Posted by: Inigo Montoya at March 17, 2006 05:02 PM (RHG+K)
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I wouldn't even trust a sports report being delivered by a Mid East native. Somebody's using the codename 'Ali'? That's unimaginative and generic enough to make me suspicious. Has there ever been a secret source codenamed 'Bob','Steve'or even 'Boris'?
Posted by: Graeme at March 17, 2006 05:54 PM (vmNuO)
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Code-named "Ali"? Wow. That's like saying a US spy is code-named "John."
Of course, it would be awfully hard to get him if he's dead. Were it that it were so.
Posted by: Muslihoon at March 17, 2006 08:27 PM (Q8UK2)
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Inigo, is he completely dead or just mostly dead?
Posted by: traderrob at March 18, 2006 09:14 AM (3al54)
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Garr! I never sed he be dead. I reckon he'sa still breathin, but Davey Jones has got the best of his insides
Posted by: Inigo Montoya at March 18, 2006 08:47 PM (RHG+K)
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March 16, 2006
Al Qaeda Threatens U.S. on Video
Yesterday we
broke the story that a new al Qaeda video was making the jihadi rounds. Today there is confirmatian. Yes, we actually
break news around here sometimes.
The video features 'martyr' Fahd Farraj al-Juwair, the former Emir of Al-Qaeda in the Land of Mohammed (Saudi Arabia), who was killed 2 weeks ago in Riyadh after the failed attack on the Abqaig oil facility. Three documents, all dated with yesterday's date, accompanied the video. Video and docs will be sent out on request.
Via Gateway Pundit this from Al Jazeera:
"To Americans we tell you to leave Muhammad's peninsula [Saudi Arabia], and leave all Muslim lands. Stop aiding Jews in Palestine and stop aiding Christians in Muslim lands or else you will face killing, destruction and bombings," said al-Juweir, who was on a most-wanted list of al-Qaida suspects.
"To the Saudi government, we have come to you to slaughter you and your rule is fleeting ... If you knew what the [mujahideen] have prepared for you, you would be fleeing this Arabian peninsula."
Al-Juweir also called on Saudi security forces to join the group's holy war.
"[Prince] Nayef bin Abdul Aziz [the interior minister] told you to sell your souls to his government and kill for him in defence of Americans ... Stop defending tyrants and join the mujahideen or else you know what awaits you," he said.
Gateway Pundit (via
Glenn) and
The Anchoress both note that al Qaeda chatter is running at an all time post-9/11 high. Given that the source is
Douglas Farah, though, i'm skepticle. GIMF, mentioned by all concerned, should not be used as a legitimate intelligence source since they are a propaganda outlet. GIMF warning of attacks is nothing new, since all of their propaganda pretty much carries that theme. However, in light of today's offensive against Sammara, perhaps the AQ gang got wind of something?
In any event, there seems to have been a slight decline in the number of these videos released by the 'mujahidin' from Iraq recently--in spite of obvious pieces of propaganda such as this. In fact, a number of us who follow these things have noticed that certain 'insurgent' groups have begun recycling footage from 'operations' and trying to pass them off as new. Like a recent video from the 1920's Revolution Brigade announcing an operation which had killed American soldiers which was, in fact, some footage from some months before.
Perhaps this fact combined with other good news from Iraq is a sign? I certainly hope so.
UPDATE: A translation of the documents and part of the video can be seen by following links here.
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"To the Saudi government, we have come to you to slaughter you and your rule is fleeting ... If you knew what the [mujahideen] have prepared for you, you would be fleeing this Arabian peninsula."
...and yet Al-Qaeda has never assassinated anyone in the royal family, nor tried. The Saudi Government is their friend.
btw. couldn't the chatter be attributed to the plot to invade the Green zone?
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Posted by: Rusty at March 16, 2006 02:59 PM (JQjhA)
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Ya gotta have music Mo! Let me help you ...
Men With Towels:
We can jihad if we want to
We can leave your friends beheaded
'Cause your friends don't jihad and if they don't jihad
Well they're no friends of mine
I say, we can go where we want to
A place where they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind
And we can jihad ....
Posted by: hondo at March 16, 2006 04:39 PM (9pQ6D)
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Rusty, is "skepticle" one of those new ways of writing a word to add a new or double meaning, or is it just an old-fashioned spelling error. I don't mean to be critical because the fact is, I fancy the way it looks.
Posted by: Don Miguel at March 16, 2006 05:17 PM (+KixN)
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AP Doctoring Photos of Jewish Settlers
Notice anything odd about this picture which accompanied an
AP story in which a U.N. "expert" alleges that Jewish settlers "terrorize Palestinians with impunity"? Click the image for a
shocking revelation about the photo. I wonder what other information in the story has been doctored?
UPDATE: I got the same anonymous tip that Ace did, so I'll just direct you to his post for the clarification.
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Posted by: Princess Kimberley at March 16, 2006 09:26 AM (9xjdU)
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The AP no longer has any credibility with anyone but the Left. They will do whatever, including faking the news, to advance the agenda of the Islamists and radicals on the Left. Here is another American institution that has been ruined.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 16, 2006 10:16 AM (rUyw4)
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Maybe it's just too early in the morning for me. Is the headline fake because there is really only one settler in the picture or is the original image not of a settler at all, thus adding to the fakery? I'm am assuming that the person in the undoctored photo is not a Jewish settler at all. Am I mistaken?
Posted by: Nicole at March 16, 2006 10:52 AM (uTf7C)
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I can't find anyplace where this photo appeared except on Haaretz. It doesn't come up in a Yahoo News
photo search.
A Google
search for the caption text turns up only one result: the Haaretz page.
The attribution on Haaretz is merely "(AP)" with no photographer named. Usually AP photos are credited like "(AP/John Doe)"
In summary, I am unconvinced that this ever was an Associated Press news photo. I think it's just as likely that Haaretz miscredited the image.
Posted by: Sean Gleeson at March 16, 2006 11:22 AM (Mot0+)
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What, they hired Dan Rather?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 16, 2006 11:24 AM (8e/V4)
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Furthermore, now I don't even believe the
story is an AP story!
Tha Haaretz article also appears, word-for-word (only without their doctored photo, on the
IMEMC website. Only there, it is credited to "IMEMC & Associated Press," whatever that means. It
might mean that they used material from the
real AP story by Bradley S. Klapper (which was quite a bit briefer), then edited and added to it themselves. (That would explain misspellings like "seperate" in their story.) If that's the case, it is wrong for Haaretz to credit the story only to "The Associated Press."
Posted by: Sean Gleeson at March 16, 2006 12:02 PM (Mot0+)
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Thanks for the link Rusty.
Posted by: Indy Media Watch at March 16, 2006 02:34 PM (XREZ8)
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Sean - I think you're right. I sent Rusty the original AP photo and caption from 1/15/06 which only has one settler. I found it on the AP photo database available through our public library, the credit there reads: (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)
Posted by: Regret at March 17, 2006 01:59 PM (OhVLZ)
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Theres no doubt that the liberal left-wing news media fake many of the photos you cant trust these reptiles
Posted by: sandpiper at March 18, 2006 09:18 AM (zj1n9)
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March 15, 2006
Screw Iran!
10 billion fresh barrels of oil right next door!
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Does this mean that crude income from oil will finally exceed income from expats working in the U.S.?
Posted by: Rusty at March 15, 2006 03:55 PM (JQjhA)
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Nope probably not. I just wanted to say "Screw Iran!" really bad.
Posted by: Howie at March 15, 2006 04:04 PM (D3+20)
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Hey, add that to all the oil we get from Canada..... hey why don't we just bring our guys home from all the places overseas, yeah... we could just annex Canada and Mexico!
Hmmmmm... why not, if Mexico was part of the US already, we wouldn't have the illegal immigration problem that we have now would we? They'd already be here.
And Canada could be a pretty decent place once you got rid of the frog influence.
Hey everybody keeps saying that world domination is a goal of the US, Hell let's just show them what it'd really be like. Come on, we saved everbody from the Nazi's and the Japs, and we saved MOST of the planet from communism. WTF are they afraid of, common sense?
Posted by: memphis761 at March 15, 2006 04:42 PM (D3+20)
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The 12th Imam will appear, and curse you. Then, the end of the world will come.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 15, 2006 05:33 PM (D2g/j)
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10 billion barrels is the 'high side' number. It's probably more like 1/4 to 1/2 that. And even at 10 billion it's smaller than Prudhoe Bay was. It's an important discovery but it's not going to significantly change the global political/energy picture. Plus it is going to take 5-10 years to get it on production (the 3000' number probably refers to the water depth where the discovery is.)
Posted by: Glenmore at March 15, 2006 05:52 PM (drDKO)
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Mexico can't drill at that depth - its a different ballgame. Govt regulations prevent outside investment/assistance. Mexico already takes a mega chuck out of current oil revenues to fund govt ops (ineptly of course) - and leveraged the balance years ago to pay off a major govt bailout. I have no idea what Mexico plans to do - 'cept maybe dream.
Posted by: hondo at March 15, 2006 06:11 PM (9pQ6D)
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Well, Canada has something like 2 trillion, yes I said trillion, barrels of oil tied up in the oil tar sands of Alberta. That's enough oil to last over 100 years, and yes, it can be mined, that is the term they use, for about $30 per barrel. Right now they are producing about 300,000 barrels per day but are in the process of ratcheting up production to about 750,000 bpd. The US could invest just 1/3 of the money we have put into Iraq into the oil tar process and we would see some real results. Perhaps 3,000,000 bpd in a very few years.
I think we should do it, but there is always the chance that the low cost ME producers could cut the price and put you out of business. It would take a major commitment that I think would be worthwhile as long as we combined it with an immigration policy that makes sense.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 15, 2006 07:06 PM (rUyw4)
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No, no, no.
Attack Iran so I can clean up on Gold Corp (GG).
I can't beat you Ziocons so I decided to make money off of you instead.
Posted by: Greg at March 15, 2006 08:23 PM (q5wwn)
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OK the test well was a hit.The hardest part is finding the shit.
Posted by: Howie at March 15, 2006 08:51 PM (D3+20)
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JJ
Tar sands are not a real option - though the oil technically does exist. We also have extensive tar sand deposits in that part of the country.
Extraction requires 2 fundamental things - massive open surface stripmining and more water than Noah ever saw!
the water issue along (in that region of the continent) is a massive obstacle.
Posted by: hondo at March 15, 2006 09:00 PM (9pQ6D)
Posted by: beth at March 15, 2006 09:42 PM (X6tm3)
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http://static.flickr.com/42/108146482_3e7e0b73e4.jpg
Ruff, bad dog!
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at March 15, 2006 10:28 PM (9xjdU)
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Memphis761:
So big boy got a problem with frogs, eh? Tell me more about it. PLEASE!
- Max
Posted by: Max at March 16, 2006 08:29 AM (+kFf8)
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Were still buying blood oil from these countries while the eco-freaks worry about the polar bears why dont we feed the eco-freaks to the polar bears?
Posted by: sandpiper at March 16, 2006 09:52 AM (wksIu)
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Whoah man check out that oil field, Why that sucker is huge!
Posted by: Tiny Elvis at March 16, 2006 01:42 PM (NUh+w)
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New Video from al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia
Al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia has released a new high production value 16 minute video. An accompanying announcement in Word format is dated today, 3/15. Luckily, the 'martyr' Fahd Farraj al-Juwair, the former Emir of Al-Qaeda in the Land of Mohammed, was killed 2 weeks ago in Riyadh after the failed attack on the Abqaig oil facility. Unfortunately, this video is making its rounds rapidly on the internet. Worst yet, a lot of young men look to these videos as a source of inspiration. Thanks to Doubletap for the video. I will send it on request with accompanying announcement.
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Meanwhile Saddam Hussein has again turned the Iragi court into a circus, thereby escaping hanging for another 3 weeks! These people cannot be helped! Like putting a dog up in a palace. Wake up and smell the coffee!
Posted by: Justus at March 15, 2006 03:25 PM (Y2ILH)
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That is great news. Microsoft Word format has lots of embedded metadata that can be used to identify the author/computer with Computer forensics:
Word Metadata analysis
This is an intelligence gathering method that the Government doesn't overlook.
Posted by: davec at March 15, 2006 04:00 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave,
Does the metadata get saved even when the docs are compressed into a .zip or .rar file?
Posted by: Rusty at March 15, 2006 04:04 PM (JQjhA)
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PS-how does one read the metadata as described in article you linked to?
Posted by: Rusty at March 15, 2006 04:09 PM (JQjhA)
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yes, even using compression the original document contains the embedded metadata, it looks like he is using a perl script to do the extraction. I have always used the 'strings' binary, or hex editor to see most of the data, I believe forensic programs like encase have the ability to completely decode word format (and a whole range of files)
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If you're using windows, a utility like 'strings' for windows is available at:
http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Strings.html
You will see towards the bottom data that will be seperate from the body, it will contain names/paths/ms version, and sometimes things like printer names, sometimes you can see revision data.
you'll probably want to pipe it out to 'more' to read it.
strings word.doc | more
Posted by: davec at March 15, 2006 05:16 PM (CcXvt)
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Does it have a back beat you can dance too?
Posted by: hondo at March 15, 2006 06:14 PM (9pQ6D)
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March 10, 2006
Wow That Was Wild
Yes we were down there for a bit. When Rusty is in his backup blog
is here for updates. When he is gone I will post
updates here if we are down. All seems fine now go for it.
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Christian peacemaker killed:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20060311/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/hostage_killed_6
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March 06, 2006
Comment of the Day from Singapore
This comment was posted on the Jawa Report this AM. Apparently some Muslims get it.
Asiqbal@yahoo.com.sg : u those iraqi terrosrists dont u people asham to say u are muslim. beheade people who given u the permisson.are u doing allah job. no reapect for islam whole world hate muslim people all over the world because of your brutal behave did our nabi teach u to do so. u people make shame to islam n to our nabi muhammed.
Well put if not well written.
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A glimmer of hope, and a Muslim thinking for himself rather than letting a radical Imam tell him what Allah said. Very refreshing.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 06, 2006 11:17 AM (rUyw4)
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Biggest problem with Islam, (other than Islam) is that islamic nations are illiterate, that is why you see so many signs in english, because those signs at the "protests" are for US, not for other followers of islam. Those who are literate are also, generaly, able to maintain their powerbase over others by letting others remain illiterate, and by hoarding the magic of the written word to themselves. If Islamic states were to allow more individuals be literate, they will start to learn more than what they are told by one person, or group.
I said all of that so that I can say, even if it was horribly written (almost looks like a hoax actually) it doesn't matter, the fact that it is written at all, is impressive. If a real post, it is profound that someone has that opinion, and can speak a different language (even poorly) let alone write it. Self determination has a place, even within the religion of "surrender"
Posted by: wickedpinto at March 06, 2006 11:51 AM (QTv8u)
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That still made more sense than most Liberal/Progressive/Moonbat websites. If we can just encourage more muslims like Asiqbal to stand up to the jiadist's then we might avert
WW3!
Posted by: Wild Bill at March 06, 2006 12:02 PM (LSioO)
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Americans with our big hearts. Maybe "we" can persuade "them" to speak out. Stop the insanity. "We" can't persuade "them" to do anything. For those in fantasy land still drinking the koolaid about "moderate" Muslims, I have news for you,
they don't exist. If they did, they would be out in the streets by the millions protesting beheadings, honour killings, female mutilation, 9-11, etc. Islam is not here to build a bridge to us, and we are fools for attempting to build a bridge to a barbaric, backwards death cult named
Islam.
Posted by: Jeff Davis at March 06, 2006 12:09 PM (T6anB)
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Still I think the guy is right on target. We get a few like that now and then. I always post em. What few "moderates" or whomever reject the "doctrine of terror" can have my support.
Posted by: Howie at March 06, 2006 12:59 PM (D3+20)
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I understand, and you have a great and valid point. I'm just very passionate about this , and I talk with people all the time that think "If we were just nicer, maybe they would love us." Ask yourself this question "If Islam is the ruling religion in a country, who would the "moderate" muslim stand with? The kafir or his BROTHER "Radical" Muslims?"
Posted by: Jeff Davis at March 06, 2006 01:23 PM (T6anB)
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Unlike the moonbats, he doesn't appear to be calling for "understanding" the jihadi point of view.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 06, 2006 01:57 PM (8e/V4)
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I agree Jeff the enemy does not play "nice".
Posted by: Howie at March 06, 2006 03:15 PM (D3+20)
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I got the same comment on one of my posts too.
Posted by: Vinnie at March 06, 2006 04:17 PM (f289O)
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Singapore isn't muslim, Maylasia and Indonesia are.
Posted by: Andre at March 06, 2006 04:38 PM (bQ3vG)
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No Muslims in Singapore? No muslims using ISP from
Singapore either, amazing! You should email this guy and let him know who and where he is.
Posted by: Howie at March 06, 2006 04:45 PM (D3+20)
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Yes vinnie I got it off the fix most recent list and forgot the URL If you have it please email it to me so I can add it to the post or slap in in there for me if you like.
Posted by: Howie at March 06, 2006 04:52 PM (D3+20)
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Asiqbal might be on the list of Muslims who do not believe the correct way, and in need of having his head cut off. Along with anyone who thinks like Asiqbal.
For the time being, in the states you just get run over by a jeep.
Posted by: Leatherneck at March 06, 2006 06:24 PM (D2g/j)
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Certainly Islam is based on ignorance, just like any organized religion. In my lifetime, a young Catholic friend would not read a verse in the Bible, let alone touch the Bible, because his priest had forbidden it. Only 100 years ago Pope (Mullah) Leo XIII denounced ‘Americanism,’ and pronounced Protestants ‘enemies of the Christian Name.’ To him, I would be an infidel, and look what this ignorance has wrought in Latin America. Too bad the Reformation never touched those countries. Is it any surprise that Catholic Bishops support illegal, Latino immigration?
Posted by: AmericanByChoice at March 06, 2006 07:00 PM (Qtqlq)
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ABC, what did you just say? And if you think what you just said somehow equates Christianity with Islam, you are just stupid. Geez, talk about ignorant, no Christian has anything on you.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 06, 2006 07:15 PM (rUyw4)
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‘Geez,’ JJ, guess you never realized there is a big difference between Biblical Christianity and Catholicism. Want to talk about the Dark Ages and the 600-year long Inquisition presided over by 80 consecutive Popes who supported torture? Remember Tyndale, Huss and Savonarola? Burning stakes never did lighten the Darkness, nor your intellect.
Posted by: AmericanByChoice at March 06, 2006 08:30 PM (Qtqlq)
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JESUSJOE
ABC DID NOT MENTION CHRISTIANITY BUT ROMAN CATHOLICISM
AND THE IDEA OF KEEPING PEOPLE IGNORANCE. I WAS A FORMER
CATHOLIC AND NEVER HEARED THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION PREACHED
FROM THE ROMAN PULPIT
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600-year long Inquisition? Enlighten me. And I said nothing about there not being abuses under Christianity as I never even broached the subject, but objected to your moral equivalency.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 07, 2006 10:37 AM (rUyw4)
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You are correct, JJ, CatholicismÂ’s organized anti-Semitism, hatred and persecution of Jews raged over a period of roughly 1500 years and resulted in the Holocaust. Equivalency? Right down to the promise of Heavenly Virgins by Popes to the early Crusaders.
Peter De Rosa, Jesuit historian, about Innocent III: “His ‘Crusade’ was a landmark in Christian History. The head of the church ordered and masterminded a war [bloodiest campaign of the Middle Ages] against fellow-Christians in a traditionally Christian land. Conversion was replaced by extermination.” You have heard of the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre of 70000 Christians, I suppose?
No, I was not talking about a few “abuses under Christianity,” but about a total disregard for God’s Holy Word and a barbarism hardly equaled by Jihadism. A more correct designation for this religion would be Anti-Christianity. Are you still selling indulgences for the dead? In Jesus’ words: “Broad is the way that leads to destruction.”
Posted by: AmericanByChoice at March 07, 2006 01:44 PM (Qtqlq)
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Oh, brother, now the Holocaust was committed by Catholics. Well, that's news to me. I'm not a Catholic, but neither was Hitler as far as I know, at least not a practicing Catholic, as his main interest was the occult. Who knew?
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American,
you sound pretty upset about what catholics did hundreds of years ago, and not the least disturbed about islam today. I wonder why.
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JJ, I am extremely concerned about the threat of Jihadism to Western Civilization, and the fact that we seem so willing to appease and become enslaved again. WasnÂ’t it the recent Pope who declared that Islam and Christianity share the same God? That ignorance, but it may be true for Catholicism. If we cannot be honest about the nature of what you refer to as Christianity, how can you expect a rational scrutiny of Islam? But there is no need for you to remain indolent and ignorant. Check it out.
It was Jesuit De Rosa who said the Holocaust was an outgrowth of 1500 years of Catholic persecution. Hitler was not Catholic in almost 100% Catholic Austria? Tell me another story. Practicing or not, itÂ’s the upbringing that counts. And so it was with every Nazi close to Hitler, down to Joseph Goebbles, Josef Mengele and Eichman. Read about Reinhard Heydrich and his devotion to Catholicism, who became one of the most feared men in Nazi Germany. Heydrich was most closely associated with the Holocaust and considered HitlerÂ’s most likely successor, and that was only 60 years ago.
Can you name just one 20th Century dictator, from Berlin to Manila, who didn’t grow out of your ‘saintly’ religion? In fact, Ferdinand Marcos pronounced near his flight from power, that his religion [under Cardinal Sin] was very important to him. Think of Il Duce, Franco, Pinochet, Castro, still in power today, and many, many more. Have you been to a Latin country, outside a big city, and not experienced the abject poverty, ignorance and corruption under the control of Catholicism? Up until very recently, the Papacy hated religious freedom, or any type of freedom, and Catholicism is benign only where it is in the minority.
Thomas Jefferson said something to the effect that the introduction of Catholicism into America would be its downfall. Check out the religious origin of our prison population, and bring in more millions of illegal Latino immigrants, supported by Catholic Bishops, and watch the USA turn into another third-world country. That, too, is very much a present danger. Fascism of any kind requires only three ingredients: hatred, socialism and Catholicism, and it is always Left on the political spectrum. Had it not been for the Reformation, you and I would not be free to have this discussion without fear for our life; and if we waltz down this road of liberal multiculturalism, moral relativism and equivalency, weÂ’ll soon be faced with the same problems again under Sharia Law. Have a good day.
Posted by: AmericanByChoice at March 07, 2006 07:04 PM (Qtqlq)
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So you're "extremly concerned" about the thread of islamic jihadism, but you give that one sentence, compared to three full paragraphs for your anti-catholic screed. Were you sexually molested by a priest or something?
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You know, this post illustrates almost perfectly one great difference between
us and
them, in that
we grasp at any reason
not to hate them, whereas they grasp at any reason
to hate us. Ours is a mentality of peace at any price, whereas theirs is conquest at any price. When one wants peace, and the other wants conquest, how else can it end, but that both get what they want? America is becoming a nation of gutless cowards, and will fall if we don't act soon.
I don't grasp for reasons; I simply understand that when one is plagued with vermin, one must exterminate them all. There is no such thing as a good muslim, except a dead muslim, and as long as one remains, they will keep murdering innocent people, because the doctrine that is the foundation of their death-cult is violence itself. We must kill them all.
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Cross Worshippers Are Suckers (NOT)
I must say I also detected a bit political bullshit in the stories suggesting Hamas is rejecting advice from al-Qaeda. Of course Hamas must reject al-QaedaÂ’s advice publicly and the stories focus in this quote from Al-Zawahiri.
BBC : The seculars in the Palestinian Authority have sold out Palestine for crumbs... Giving them legitimacy is against Islam."
He called on Muslims in "Palestine, Iraq and everywhere else... [to] be wary of the new American game entitled the 'political process'", alluding to recent elections and democratic change.
However, when the story broke over the weekend there was an additional line in the message that has “mysteriously” been removed from most of the stories. Howie searched far and wide yesterday for this quote and found it. However my PC here says that floppy sucks(don’t they all) so I had to research more this am to find it again finally on
FOXNEWS.
"To this regard I have to warn the Muslim brothers in Palestine. ... We know for sure that Palestine will not be liberated by the elections, but by jihad," Al-Zawahiri said. "I would like to tell my brothers in Palestine that reaching power is needed to implement Islamic rule."
In other words Doc (Al-Zawahiri) gives Hamas an out to pursue power using all methods as long as the end goal is establishing an Islamic state. One has to be careful not to be swept up in these messages. This one in particular seems especially designed for the west. Remember when Zawahiri and Hamas talk about Palestinian soil they mean all of Israel as well. Not just 1967 borders. Also Zawahiri speaks to the Christian Right mingling anti homosexual rhetoric with a reference the Jesus Christ.
CBSNEWS : "The insults against Prophet Muhammad are not the result of freedom of opinion but because what is sacred has changed in this culture," he said. "The Prophet Mohammed, prayers be upon him, and Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, are not sacred anymore, while Semites and the Holocaust and homosexuality have become sacred."
(referencing the cartoons) They did it on purpose and they continue to do it without apologizing, even though no one dares to harm Jews or to challenge Jewish claims about the Holocaust nor even to insult homosexuals."
This is an attempt to hide al-QeadaÂ’s distaste for Christians as a whole. Remember as a Worshipper of the Cross you can be deceived or directly lied to in order to advance the struggle to establish Islamic states. So while statements released publicly for our consumption often stress the Muslims and Christians are separated by but a fine line, we must be careful about falling for this political game. I have more information to show how Islamists talk about Christians when they donÂ’t think we are listening below the fold.
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sorry about the bad blockquotes fisked it.
Posted by: Howie at March 06, 2006 11:30 AM (D3+20)
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Well, Islam, trying to base itself around primitive concepts always use language to depict everyone as an apostate, and enemy of their faith. The Jews are unrepentent monkeys who never truly understood the will of god, that is why they rejected christ. The Christians, while following the teachings of paul (Saul, a jewish pharasee) have become just as, if not more decadent than the jew. Not only are the Christians following the adolescent leadership of a monkey jew, but they also worship the cross rather than god. The use of the "cross" as an idol of worship is deliberate, meant to inspire accusations and beliefs in christians as idolators.
That is also why the cartoon thing is being presented. When Islam is in power, they have no problem with the depiction of holy figures, but when they are threatened, they retreat into an overly isolationist situation forcing all of their followers to obey because "everyone else worships the image they are idolators" or some variation of that sort. Ask Mus, he's got more info on it, but I doubt if he would disagree much.
Posted by: wickedpinto at March 06, 2006 11:58 AM (QTv8u)
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This story sounds so familiar. Everyone will try to second guess whether or not two totalitarian groups will collaborate at some level. Al Qaeda rebuffed Saddam publicly yet there is indication that there was a significant level of collaboration between the two. I firmly believe it went a lot further than a simple non-aggression pact. Still there are many who say "no way". Many of the same people will quickly reject the idea that al Qaeda and Hamas will collaborate in the shadows simply because Hamas has publicly rebuffed them.
In my neck of the woods we call these people gullible.
Posted by: Oyster at March 06, 2006 01:45 PM (n/nt4)
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The jihadi makes a decent point about why religion can be mocked, but "homosexuals" cannot. And I agree with him that the maggot-infested Leftwing bastards who insult the name of Jesus are douchebags. Difference is he wants them beheaded, and I don't.
As far as jihadi respect for "Isa", makes no difference to me cause I know I'm nothing but a polytheist dhimmi to him who would be forced to pay a tax and wear funny clothes if he could have his way.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 06, 2006 11:45 PM (8e/V4)
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And remmeber its that SUNG MUNG WEIRD MOON who said christains should give up the cross
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Al Qaeda's Zawahiri Supports Hamas
Oh, and al Qaeda's also not too fond of the Muhammed cartoons either.
BBC:
Al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri has called on the Palestinian militant group Hamas not to recognise past peace deals with Israel.
In a video message shown on Arab TV network al-Jazeera, Zawahiri urged Hamas, which won Palestinian elections in January, to fight on with arms.
Zawahiri also attacked the West for insulting the Prophet Muhammad in cartoons published in newspapers....
"No Palestinian has the right to give away a grain of the soil," he said.
"The seculars in the Palestinian Authority have sold out Palestine for crumbs... Giving them legitimacy is against Islam."
He called on Muslims in "Palestine, Iraq and everywhere else... [to] be wary of the new American game entitled the 'political process'", alluding to recent elections and democratic change.
Zawahiri urged Hamas to "continue the armed struggle" and reject agreements signed between its predecessors in government and Israel, describing them as "surrender accords".
Of course, Hamas is said to be 'dismissing' and 'rejecting' Zawahiri's support. What no one in the MSM dare speak: Hamas and al Qaeda share the same goals.
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But I thought al Qaeda was against democratic elections and wouldn't recognize democratically elected goverments. Oh - unless the result produces a terror organization? Ah, I see.
Posted by: Oyster at March 06, 2006 08:25 AM (n/nt4)
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Hamas and Al-Queda having the same goals. What a shocker!
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 06, 2006 10:49 AM (rUyw4)
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