February 28, 2005
Zarqawi Planning Attack in US
Fox News is reporting that intercepted communications between Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi indicate that Zarqawi has been urged to focus his efforts on attacking the US. The report also indicates Zarqawi may also be on the verge of getting caught and that this strategy might come because of increased pressure in Iraq. (ht:
Ace of Spades)
UPDATE: More from USA Today which doesn't name Zarqawi, but which alludes to it when it says:
"A U.S. counterterrorism official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the "very vague" information alluded to moving forward on planning for operations outside of Iraq.
Meaning, al Qaeda is part of the planning of operations in Iraq now. Meanwhile Zarqawi's group has
claimed several attacks ain Iraq over the past few days. Notice how fewer and fewer of these attacks are aimed at Americans?
UPDATE Something or other: Other recipients of KKKarl Rove al Qaeda Meme *: Jeff 'I'm not an online terrorist posing as a Jew' Goldstein, Steve 'Allahu-Akhbar Jew-dog' Green, Speed of 'Only Zionist pigs can think that fast' Thought, Shape 'not a Jew, but a Zionist nontheless' Days, Jeff 'Son of a Pig' Quinton
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I like how the brave bin Laden orders suicide attacks for "the cause" from the safety of his underground hole.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at February 28, 2005 06:06 PM (mlJzy)
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Yup, they are going after Iraqi's, especially those who are getting set up for physicals, lined up for jobs as National Guardsmen or police. What a damn shame. 115 DEAD, 130 injured today with one car bomb. Maybe things should be done differently. I still think that a ban on cars at the moment and only military, IP or IGN allowed on the roads till most of this stops. They did it once for a short period but I think that they should do it for everyone for awhile, so if there is a car or vehicle sitting there, let the bomb squad take care of it before it goes off. I think the Iraqi people will understand the reason behind such a missive.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at February 28, 2005 11:31 PM (PEKrh)
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man those terrorists are getting cocky, I cant wait until one of them slips up, then we can point and laugh at him/her
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Posted by: Xion at March 01, 2005 03:42 AM (ZKCOc)
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I suspect that ordering Z-Man to go after the US is a face-saving excuse for him to get out Iraq before we capture him. After all, he's the only big name Al Qeada who's actually doing anything more impressive than issuing video tapes. It'll be a rel blow to them when we nail his hide to the barn...
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Anti-Syrian Forces in Lebanon Win!
Wow, it's like a neo-cons wet dream come true.
AP:
With shouts of "Syria out!," more than 25,000 flag-waving protesters massed outside Parliament today in a dramatic display of defiance that swept out Lebanon's pro-Syrian government two weeks after the assassination of a former prime minister.
Cheering broke out among the demonstrators in Martyrs' Square when they heard Prime Minister Omar Karami's announcement on loudspeakers that the government was stepping down. Throughout the day, protesters handed out red roses to soldiers and police.
Blog Roundup:
Jeff Goldstein,
LGF,
Vodkapundit,
Instapundit,
Captain Ed,
Roger L. Simon,
Slant Point,
Dean's World
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question
why was it so easy, why did syria ok a suicide bombing now in israel while at the same time secretly meeting for peace talks with the israelis in jordan?
is the problem really bad mismanagement of the syrian dictatorship?
Posted by: rumcrook at February 28, 2005 12:29 PM (Q9W6F)
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Or is the problem that saying "Syria did it", i.e. implying the leadership unanimously backed that suicide bombing, is a massive over-simplification given that there would have been intractable divergences of opinions within both the Government and the terrorist structures.
Remember that it only takes one idiot to give a whole bunch of people a bad reputation
Posted by: Martin at February 28, 2005 12:32 PM (WnUPO)
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BTW isn't it a little early for celebration? We know the pro-Syrian Government is stepping down; we don't know whose gonna take their place.
Posted by: Martin at February 28, 2005 12:35 PM (WnUPO)
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I'm still not completely convinvced Syria killed Hariri. It could have been a faction within their govt or an large terrorist group they had previously supplied. (I'm sure on Kos etc. they are blaming Isreal, the neocons and an evil gang of ex-military male prostitutes).
The Syrians have caved on the wiithdrawal, "their" Lebanese govt and Sadddam's half brother with amazing speed. Seems like they are panicked.
That said it would be a happy irony for them to pay the price.
Posted by: Dennis at February 28, 2005 01:32 PM (GL50c)
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Sorry, was not clear. I meant I'm not convinced it was decided/approved at the presidential level, i.e. by Assad.
Posted by: Dennis at February 28, 2005 01:35 PM (GL50c)
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Maybe the Syrian and Lebanese governments are smarter than many liberal moonbats. Namely, they see the writing on the wall and are acting accordingly to save their asses. Better to step down than to be dragged down.
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February 25, 2005
Hizbullah Bombs Tel Aviv Nightclub
The group that the European Union recently claimed 'is not a terrorist organization' is responsible for tonight's bombing of a Tel Aviv nightclub which killed at least four and injured scores more.
The Jerusalem Post and the AP report that a senior Palestinian security official lays the blame for the bombing sqarely on the shoulders of the Lebanese based Hizbullah.
While the individual who carried out the suicide attack was a leader of the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade in the West Bank town of Tulkarm, the PA denies that the military branch of Yassir Arafat's Fatah movement had anything to do with the attack. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the Palestinian official claims that Hizbullah recruited and paid for the homicide mission.
Other media reports that factions within the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility for the attack, but leaders of al Aqsa later denied involvement. The Associated Press also speculates that certain cells within al Aqsa are receiving money and orders from Hizbullah. If that is the case, than the Palestinian Authority's ability to control militants within its ranks may be severely limited.
Hizbullah has recently made threats against leaders in the anti-Syrian uprising in Lebanon. Syria has occupied Lebanon for over a decade and allowed Hizbullah freedom to launch attacks against Israel from Lebanese territory. Hizbullah is a recognized political party in Lebanon with strong ties to both Syria and Iran.
Despite Hizbullah's known connection to the murder of American soldiers and Israeli civilians, the European Union has been reluctant to formally declare the group a terrorist organization.
Leaders of Hizbullah in Lebanon have disclaimed the attacks calling the accusation that they were behind the mass murder "lies."
Initial reports from Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas are encouraging. The NY Times quotes Abbas as saying, "The Palestinian Authority will not stand silent in the face of this act of sabotage. We will follow and track down those responsible and they will be punished accordingly."
The J Post reports this from the scene of the mass murder:
About 20 to 30 people queued up outside the "Stage" club on the generally packed Herbert Samuel Boulevard shortly after 11 pm Friday night when the bomber, dressed as a reveler himself, struck. As he reached the front of the line he detonated a nail-packed device just before being searched by one of the club's guards. The force of the blast ripped cars open like cans, and sprayed the victims' blood onto the club's smashed front fa ade. Shops and windows of nearby buildings were obliterated.
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Hisbollah wants Israel to retaliate against Lebanon to distract from the Hariri killing and the Syrian occupation. Israel should delay it's response, or do a limited targeted assassination. A major airstrike on Lebanon would play into Hisbollah's hands right now.
Posted by: Carlos at February 26, 2005 09:47 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at February 26, 2005 10:09 AM (ywZa8)
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It seems that after 55 years of this shi- we would get mad enought to blow all the MuslimFascists to He--! Why are we not doing something?
Posted by: Rod Stanton at February 26, 2005 02:53 PM (QMgRR)
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European Union? Reminds me of an antique shop attempting to stock modern merchandise.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 26, 2005 09:03 PM (CBNGy)
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Israel is NOT going to attack Lebanon. After the Hairari assassination Lebanon was placed firmly on the west's side vis a vis the WOT... why would you attack an ally when there's a perfectly good enemy to go after?
To the guy who runs this blog (a fine job you do btw)... I think you should be VERY careful about declaring that Syria is responsible for either the Beirut or the Tel Aviv attack.
There's no concrete evidence yet - of course they're the most likely suspects... however if they really were brazen enough to take such actions in this climate (post Saddam & Arafat; Bush on a policy-endorsing 2nd term), and assuming they're half-witted enough to at least hold down a consistent foreign policy, then I'd say the prospect of this escalating into a US-Syrian conflict is very high indeed.
Just think about it - if this continues how can Bush avoid a Syria-US war without reneging on his policies? How can he justify invading one """terrorist state""" but leaving a much more credible enemy unscathed? And why the hell would he do that when (rightly or wrongly) his stance at least seems, to the American public, to be working?
My money would be on Syria realising (if they haven't already) how self-destructive they're being and so doing a massive u-turn, whilst denying the terrorism charge all along. The problem is that that would leave the window open for Al Qaeda to move in (if they haven't already) and massively enflame the situation.
Declaring who did this prematurely can only incite hostility between the two sides, possibly causing a war that could otherwise be avoided. You shouldn't give Al Qaeda the satisfaction of wielding so much power over our Governments.
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>>>"Declaring who did this prematurely can only incite hostility between the two sides, possibly causing a war that could otherwise be avoided. You shouldn't give Al Qaeda the satisfaction of wielding so much power over our Governments."
It seems to me that the "power" Al-Qaida has so far wielded over our governments has only turned around and bit Al-Qaida in the ass. The more we play into Al-Qaida's hands, the worse for them, and the better for the world in general. They are rueing the day we played into their hands.
Posted by: Carlos at February 27, 2005 01:30 PM (8e/V4)
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well, Israel is taking it out on the Palestinian people.They have no control of Hezbollah which is located in Lebanon but Arial Sharon does not care; he's already shut down talks and the road to peace plan because of what a Lebonese terrorist did.
What a jerk. I hope they VOTE him OUT soon or there will never be peace - and that's something Ariel Sharon does not want with the Palestinian people, so he'll use any excuse.
The man should be assassinated, so we can go forward. So THEY can go forward.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at February 27, 2005 11:20 PM (PEKrh)
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Cindy... nice to hear some non-right views but advocating the assassination of an Israeli premier is a really silly thing to do, especially given that country's history of assassinations. Were it to happen it wouldn't be your Palestinian friends doing it either - it'd be the Israeli far right (beneficial??!). I genuinely think Sharon has turned a corner and until he does something idiotic (won't be long, I'm sure) we should give him the benefit of the doubt.
Carlos... "The more we play into Al-Qaida's hands, the worse for them" - really? I wonder if the Spanish would agree - they allowed Al Qaida to elect their (leftist) Government! Was that a good idea??
Posted by: Martin at February 28, 2005 11:08 AM (WnUPO)
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Well Martin, he has cut off talks with the Palestinian people and has even said today that Abbas better get the terror groups under control.
AND it has already been proven the bombing of Tel Avev was caused by Hezbolla = a terrorist group from Syria - they've claimed responsibility - or don't you watch the news?
Rod, I am with you on this because I'm tired of this shit. Yes we are moving troops out slowly but the terrorists in one car bomb today, killed over 115 people, injuring 130 in Iraq - they are going after the Iraqi people who want a job of either Policemen or National Guard. I think in their best interest, they should take the guys from Iraq to a safer place, to do training, the physicals and whatnot because those are the places the terrorists are attacking. Sure we found another van filled with explosives and walking the roads finding the IED's and then communication between Bin Laden and Zarqawi. Every day Fox shows something good going on in Iraq, so we stop more than what happens. Those beheaded women with "spy" written on them could be people who have reported to the forces or to the ING that something is going on in a nearby home. So.. they are standing up for themselves. Today Lebenon did an unprecedended thing and you will see more changes in the Middle East - which is kind of exciting because they are all thumbing their noses to the terrorists whom they do not want in their country. As long as they stay off our soil, the more happier I'll be. It'll be hard and messy for awhile but in the end, it will be worth it. I hope I live long enough to see it happen. I might be 51, but feel 151. Sometimes I have to take a break and sit back, not say anything but when I run into such ignorance, I can't help it; I have to say something.
But one thing we all have to do no matter what we believe and that is supporting our troops wherever they are in the world, but especially those in Iraq right now. We also need to support each other and if there is something you really don't know about, I suggest hitting law books and start reading.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at February 28, 2005 11:13 PM (PEKrh)
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Hmmm! An American calling for the assasination of a freely elected head of state of Another country. I rather thought that would be a Islamofacist thing.
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**Cindy sed**
he has cut off talks with the Palestinian people...
AND it has already been proven the bombing of Tel Avev was caused by Hezbolla = a terrorist group from Syria - they've claimed responsibility - or don't you watch the news?
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Sharon most certainly has NOT cut off talks with the Palestinian leadership... I don't know where you got that idea from. And his administration isn't just talking, they're "chatting" - look at the TV interviews with any Israeli spokesmen and the rhetoric they're coming up with is a total u-turn on the kind of crap they trudged out a few months ago when Arafat was alive.
Also you know perfectly well that it hasn't been PROVEN Hezbollah did the Tel Aviv bomb - terrorist groups make false claims of responsibility all the time, especially Palestinian ones which overlap in such a complicated way. And even if the claim is genuine... who *exactly* is making that claim? The leadership of Hezbollah, or a bunch of nutters from a discredited offshoot?
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Another Top Zarqawi Aide Captured
Mohamed Najam Ibrahim, a top leader in Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qada in Iraq network has been captured in the city of Baqouba. According to the AP, Ibrahim was personally involved, along with his unnamed brother, in beheadings. Iraqi officias say he is being interrogated by authorities for information they hoped would lead to other arrests.
Who the Ibrahim brothers' beheaded victims were was not reported by Iraqi officials.
In the past several weeks a number of top Zarqawi aides have been captured or killed. With each new arrest information is gathered and more arrests are made. Are we getting closer to capturing Zarqawi? I certainly hope so.
UPDATE: It looks like we nabbed two Zarqawi aides in the same day.
Let me quote Ice Cube for a moment, "Today was a good day."
Others: Backcountry Conservative, Captain Ed
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They should turn this guy loose in one of the very neighborhoods where he'd been instrumental in killing fellow Iraqis--after informing the locals of their special "guest," of course.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at February 25, 2005 09:31 AM (x+5JB)
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They also arrested a Saudi General who taught them how to do the beheadings.
geez
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at February 25, 2005 01:10 PM (PEKrh)
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Sheesh, how can they keep getting Zarqawi's cohorts, yet not any closer to getting the man himself? Aren't any of these aides being interrogated?????
Posted by: Laura at February 25, 2005 02:05 PM (ptOpl)
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What? Interrogate them. Then we would have to listen to the Abu Garib prison cry babies again. Simple minded freaks like Jim would have a field day if we put panties on their heads.
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February 24, 2005
Al Jazeera Cartoon Calls Jihadis to Arms
A country invades a nearby nation, rapes its women, murders its children, and tortures its citizens. How do you react? Would you think yourself justified in fighting this evil country?
That is exactly the way many Muslims see us. You would too if your only source of television were al Jazeera.
Take for instance this animated cartoon which is supposeed to be a criticism of Syria. It begins by showing how nobody wants the poor incompetent Syrians. It is even funny for a moment. Of course, it wouldn't be al Jazeera if it didn't end on this frame posted below.
more...
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"That is exactly the way many Muslims see us. You would too if your only source of television were al Jazeera."
Ahem! I believe I heard Rumsfled say those very words just a few weeks ago. LOL Good words.
Posted by: Bubbe at February 24, 2005 05:50 PM (4BlQ+)
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Wow! Rumsfield is a Jawa reader. Awesome.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at February 24, 2005 07:23 PM (ywZa8)
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im thinking an arabic language tv news station out of free iraq beamed into the rest of the region with a pro u.s pro truth delivery is needed to counter the enemy that is al jazeera...
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I'd settle for an Arabic language channel broadcasting the truth, period. If they dropped the islamic jihad rhetoric and stop being a talking head for terrorists, even Al-J would be fairly acceptable.
The pro-US part would just come naturally.
Posted by: Jonathan Murray at February 25, 2005 12:43 AM (7D30s)
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" You would too if your only source of television were al Jazeera."
Because they put israelis on tv?
Posted by: actus at February 25, 2005 07:33 AM (5Lqt9)
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http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at February 25, 2005 07:44 AM (PEKrh)
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Is it really much different than Fox News.
Posted by: Ed at February 26, 2005 12:26 AM (49KHa)
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Based on the past events, clarity is in cartoon. It doesn't take a mathematician to determine that Abu Gharaib happened as a result of new attorney general, Alberto Gonzales. Consequently, reality shines on the U.S. military. What is preached at the top slides to the bottom and as such your practice of torture makes you worse than the enemy.
Posted by: J at February 28, 2005 04:02 PM (r9Wp/)
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This is the "ilk" you aid and abet. Think. Anathema comes to mind.
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Australian Jihadi Held in Iraq
Ahmed Aziz Rafiq from Adelaide was arrested by Kurdish authorities late last year. He told his parents he was off to Iraq to find a wife before he turned up as a mujahadin fighter. US authorities had planned to turn him over to Australia, but they are now seeking 'clarification' on the man.
More here. Of course, that story mentions the Mr. Rafiq was held in the 'notorious' Abu Ghraib prison. Do you think maybe he found a bride there and if so was he the bitch?
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Very easy to tell if he was the Bee-Ach. Take alook at his back to see if someone painted boobies on it.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at February 24, 2005 09:45 AM (yBHNA)
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Hey, welcome back FA. Haven't seen you in awhile.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at February 24, 2005 10:56 AM (JQjhA)
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Did the noseless son of a motherless goat Infidel Rusty get his Fatwa?
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February 23, 2005
Christian Sentenced to Seven Years in Pakistan for Tearing Up Quran
Our allies, those loveable Pakistanis, are at it again. Remember, Pakistan is a
moderate Islamic country. At least this poor man didn't get the
maximum sentence.
The maximun sentence for blasphemy is death under all systems of Islamic law.
Daily Times via Jane:
Chishtian Civil Judge Muhammad Ashraf Bhatti on Wednesday sentenced Bashir Masih, 30, to seven years rigorous imprisonment on charges of desecrating the Quran.... A court official alleged that Bashir Masih was a magician cum exorcist and police had caught him tearing a copy of the Quran in Chak No 109/Fateh in Bahawalnagar district last year. Bashir was tried under Section 295-B of the Blasphemy Law. The convict confessed to the crime, saying tearing the Quran was part of the magic he was doing.
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I wonder how long I'd get for admitting I wipe my ass with pages from the Quran?
Posted by: Andre at February 23, 2005 09:18 PM (2kPXV)
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What about burning one?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at February 23, 2005 09:27 PM (JQjhA)
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Damn. If rippin' up a Quran/Koran/Satan's Book O' Fun is magic...I'm friggin' David Copperfield.
Posted by: ericobaylor at February 23, 2005 11:03 PM (Msghs)
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Magic or no, if ripping up a book gets you jail time I'm not sure how this is different than Soviet Russia.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at February 24, 2005 07:58 AM (JQjhA)
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Yeah, but since they're capturing and killing Al Qaeda members, I don't think anyone in the West really cares.
Posted by: Venom at February 24, 2005 08:45 AM (dbxVM)
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To quote Ned Flanders, "It's a dilly of a pickle we're in."
In the long-run Pakistan will produce more terrorists because of the intolerant ideology of Islamism (Pakistan is a sharia state). In the short run if we don't back the dicatator we get terrorists NOW.
Can any one think of a way out of this dilemma?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at February 24, 2005 08:48 AM (JQjhA)
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The terrorist problem right now is only as large as it has been because bin Laden is independently wealthy and can pull off the kind of big-scale attacks (as well as with increased frequency) that have put everyone in the West on edge. No big surprise there.
The fact is that, as you point out, if you back the current dictator in Pakistan, you have the opportunity to bag a number of Al Qaeda operatives and, hopefully, land the big fish himself. Do that, and the whole terrorist network pretty much comes down on itself without the financial support to keep it up.
Pakistan in the long-run may produce a lot of people who are "anti-U.S., anti-West," but I think if you keep supporting them in dismantling the network, you eliminate a lot more problems that would pop up in the future.
It's the same as with the discussion of Russia's crackdown on terrorists. I'd be wary of any kind of alliance with either Pakistan or Russia, but since they're doing their part on the GWOT, I guess you can't find fault with that.
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That's a Quran lighting not a Quran burning. And when I'm not wiping with Quaran Pages I like to use the remaining pages to get the old smoker BBQ started. So many uses so few pages.
Posted by: Andre at February 24, 2005 09:35 AM (2kPXV)
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Andre is obviously fishing for a fatwa!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at February 24, 2005 10:59 AM (JQjhA)
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I'm begging for one, oh, I had the sniffles a bit earlier and my nose was all filled up with runny stuff so I took a Quran page out and blew my nose into it. There, 3 uses for Qurans:
1) TP for the bunghole
2) kindle for a smoker BBQ
3) Klenex for the nose.
Maybe a fourth one would be a paper walk way on carpets to keep the carpet clean. Just don't know if that can be done with just one Quran, I'll have to try that inorder to know for sure.
Posted by: Andre at February 24, 2005 11:55 AM (2kPXV)
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We're on a roll!
Use number 5 for pages torn from the Oh-So-Holy Koran: Pooper scooper. In my city it's a law that if one's dog craps on somebody else's lawn, the owner has to clean up. I've found Koran pages to be just the perfect size, thickness and texture for wrapping a big old steaming hot turd, just like Arafat's kaffiyah.
Posted by: spaztastic at March 29, 2005 07:01 PM (BW/DU)
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Use #6 of the holy Quran: I just recently got a new puppy, and it's in the "house breaking years." I only get the Sunday paper, so I didn't have much to work with... so I shredded the Quran and smothered my dog's cage with it... works quite well might I add... PLUS! I got to actually read the paper for once.
Posted by: sartina at April 27, 2005 07:46 PM (7tIoo)
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i think rather than using the Quran on all things mentioned above, I'll bet the Damn Holy Bible would be of better suggestion. And another it is also good to shove it up you people assess...
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Allawi Challenging Al-Jaafari for PM Job
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VOA news this interesting development. I was under the impression that al-Jaafari was a shoe-in for the PM post. I guess I was wrong:
Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi announced he is forming his own coalition to challenge Ibrahim al-Jaafari for the prime minister's job. Mr. Al-Jaafari is one of the interim government's two vice presidents and head of the conservative Shi'ite Muslim party, Dawa.
The party won the most seats in the January elections, but still needs support from other electoral groups if it hopes to place Mr. Al-Jaafari in the prime minister's chair. Dawa has a more forthright religious orientation, while Mr. Allawi's party, the Iraqi List, is secular in tone. The minority Sunnis, in large part, boycotted the elections.
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How many votes does wolfie get?
Posted by: actus at February 23, 2005 06:05 PM (5Lqt9)
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Oh boy! Now the start of a civil war in Iraq. Should keep them busy.
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February 22, 2005
Unclear on the Concept: Palestinian Man Celebrates His Brother's Release from Israeli Jail by Shooting Bystanders
In the air. Shoot
in the air.
JPost:
According to a preliminary investigation conducted by the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, the incident occurred when Eyad Tawfiq, 30, arrived at his house in the village after he had been released from jail.
His brother-in-law, 28-year-old Haibat Taha, welcomed him by firing into the air from his M16 rifle. When he put the rifle back on his shoulder, a number of live bullets hit four men standing nearby. One of them, Salah, was killed by a live bullet in the abdomen.
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Thanks for posting this; I've added it to my site, and linked back to you.
Posted by: Isaac B2 at February 22, 2005 05:01 PM (VIPXX)
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Dumb ass. A 3-layer yellow cake with chocolate icing would have been a better 'welcome home from prison you terrorist you' gift than that.
Posted by: Bubbe at February 22, 2005 05:16 PM (4BlQ+)
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Don't you know, bullet flying upwards out of barrel will come back down at the same speed it went up with ?
Still, doesn't this guy know that bullets kill people?
Posted by: karrde at February 22, 2005 05:30 PM (YtZsx)
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Why didn't he shoot more bullets into the air? NEXT TIME FIRE THE ENTIRE MAGAZINE!!!!
Posted by: mike at February 22, 2005 06:06 PM (nyxv/)
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"live bullets"...oxymoron, if there ever was one. Since when is a bullet "live"??? Flying bullet is more like it.
Posted by: Laura at February 22, 2005 09:33 PM (ptOpl)
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jerks - that's why I say GET RID OF ALL THE GUNS.
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at February 22, 2005 11:14 PM (PEKrh)
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I saw somewhere, that there have been more "Innocent" people killed in the Middle East, especially Palestine, by bullets fired into the air either in celebration and mourning, than the Israelites have killed on purpose.
E.G. During the Funeral and Burial of Yasser Arafat, there were 16 Fatalities from bullets coming back down!
Wotta buncha F----n' Idiots!
Posted by: large at February 23, 2005 12:58 PM (VRK2g)
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Can I send him more bullets?
Posted by: greyrooster at February 23, 2005 05:57 PM (CBNGy)
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send bigger bullets please.
Posted by: eye 4 an eye at February 24, 2005 11:05 PM (2PJMl)
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Get rid of all the guns. Yea sure. I'll turn mine in the day after the terrorists do.
Will you people quit telling the ragheads that bullets return to earth.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 25, 2005 04:37 AM (CBNGy)
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We need to fight political correctness and make as many people as possible know the true nature of Islam.
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Al Jaafari Shiite's Nominee for PM
The AP reports that Interim Vice President Ibrahim al-Jaafari was chosen as his Shiite ticket's candidate for Iraq's next prime minister Tuesday, after Ahmad Chalabi dropped his bid.
Al-Jaafari has sent mixed signals about his Islamist ties. He is brother-in-law to the Grand Ayatollah Sistani, the most powerful cleric in Iraq. His ties to Iran are also deep. After a failed rebellion against Saddam Hussein in the 1970s, al-Jaafari fled to Iran in 1980 where he lived in exile until 1989. He then moved to London where he became the chief spokesman for theh Dawa party in exile until the US led ouster of the Baathist regime. His wife and children remain in London.
On the one hand he has stated that he believes Islam should be the only source of Iraq's fundamental law. A chilling statement for Iraq's Christian minority who would be forced to live in legal dhimmitude--or second class citizenship--if even moderate sharia law were imposed. For instance, Islamic law forbids the free expression of religion and prescribes the death penalty as the maximum sentence for Muslims who leave the faith. But even if the maximum penalty were not given any society that forbids apostasy as a matter of law is not free.
On the other hand Al-Jaafari has been generally supportive of Kurdish autonomy. He is expected to become Prime Minister with the support of the Kurdish ticket which came in second in the elections. He has also been a critic of Wahhabi style laws which restrict women from voting or even driving. He supported the US invasion and was part of the original governing body appointed by the Coalitin Authority.
More from Wikipidia and BBC.
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February 21, 2005
Al Jazeera Now Quoting NY Times
An editorial in
al Jazeera today quotes Jesus Christ as the basis for why Christian fundamentalists are just like Muslim fundamentalists. The gist of the editorial is that all religious fundamentalism is basically equivalent.
Citing religious scriptures serves as an illustrative example. Prophet Jesus said: "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Mathew 5:9), but he also warned his disciples: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on Earth, I have not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Mathew 10:34). Prophet Muhammad affirmed: "I am the Prophet of Mercy", but he also said: "I am the Prophet of War".
Most Christians the world over, view Jesus as the Prince of Peace, a belief shared also by Muslims, but Christian fundamentalists in America look at him differently.
In their view, he is not the Jesus known for turning the other cheek (Matt 5:39) but a Jesus "from whose mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations; he will rule them with an iron sceptre" (Revelation 19:15).
As I have argued for some time now, there is a link between Islamic fanaticism and the American left. Not that the left agree with the remedies of Islamism, but they do share the same belief about the source of the world's problems. Hence, it is not surprising that many Islamist diatribes attempt to link the criticisms of the American left with their own.
See, they say,
even many in America agree with us. The editorial goes on to quote Nicholas Kristoff (who is called a 'courageous journalist) in the New York Times:
We have quite properly linked the fundamentalist religious tracts of Islam with the intolerance they nurture, and it is time to remove the motes from our own eyes. We should be embarrassed when our best-selling books (the Left Behind series) gleefully celebrate religious intolerance and violence against infidels.
The piece really gets silly from there claiming that since Jimmy Carter taught Sunday School that his rule was no different than that of Mullahs in Iran.
If a professor of tafsir (exegeses of the Quran) becomes a president of any Muslim country today, the American media would fiercely condemn him and his rule as a "regime of mullahs", and the French media would condemn him as a "regime des barbus" (regime of the bearded ones).
But President Jimmy Carter was teaching tafsir (exegesis of the Bible here) in one of the churches of Washington DC during his White House years. Carter's book, Source of Strength, is a collection of his biblical lectures at that church; another instance of how religion and politics are intermingled in America today.
The silliness continues as he takes a Baptist minister out of context. The words of Charles Colson which show how Christians do not believe in forced faith are at odds with Islam's explicit fascist tendencies are used to warn Muslims against Christian fanatacism.
While Islamists want to enforce a theocracy, most Christians live peacefully with competing value systems. Christians believe in winning people through love, not conquest.
Right.
Equivalence.
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Even Jimmy Carter would be an improvement over having to live under Iran's mullahs. You are definitely onto something with the connection between the Left and Islamofascist terrorists. They have the same goal: the destruction of western civilization. A prime example of them actively working together is the
Lynne Stewart case.
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"Moral Equivalence" has been one of the recuring themes in NYT "news" articles for 60 years. Go to your Library and get the microfilm of their paper for 1944 - 1945 see how they covered WW2. Very similar to last three years only names and dates are diff. To do it quick go precisely 60 years back and see what they said about Iwo Jima. You will then understand why I do not like the NYT.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at February 21, 2005 03:36 PM (QMgRR)
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The Eletronic Intifada quotes the Times daily in their email.
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Holy shit. We're starting to understand the workings of the liberal mind.
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Zarqawi Propaganda Chief Killed in Iraq
Al Qaeda in Iraq's propaganda chief has been killed in Iraq! You may know Adel Mujtaba's work from such blockbuster hits as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Cuts Off the Head of Paul Johnson & Kenneth Bigly Execution: The Video. The best part of Mujtaba's death is that he was apparently in charge of the now defunct websites which Tawhid and Jihad used to run.
News24:
Iraqi security forces have killed a propaganda chief of al-Qaeda's frontman in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the government said on Sunday.
Security forces "killed the terrorist Adel Mujtaba, known as Abu Rim, who disseminated propaganda for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's terrorist network", it said in a statement.
One of Abu Rim's associates, Abu al-Izz, was also killed in the same raid on February 11, it added, without saying why it was only now releasing news of the raid.
"Abu Rim specialised in creating terrorist websites which encouraged terrorism," the statement said.
"He glorified the murder of innocent people and published images which included terrorists torturing hostages."
Abu Rim is the third Zarqawi propaganda chief to be killed or detained after the alleged first and second in command, Abu Sufiyan and Husam Abdullah Muhsin al-Dulaymi, were respectively killed and detained, the statement added, without providing further details.
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Great. Now hang the bastard.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 21, 2005 07:30 PM (CBNGy)
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Can I do a Happy Dance? It's coming soon, so soon... Zarqawi's days are numbered.
Posted by: Squatch at February 21, 2005 10:08 PM (2Swtu)
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Why are we "so close" to getting Zarqawi, yet he keeps eluding us? What's his secret? Does he take his cues from the Gingerbread Man or what?
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can you bomb corby,england?
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February 19, 2005
Terrorists Release Indonesian Hostages Video
Two Indondesian hostages, Meutya Hafid and her cameraman known only as Budianto, appeared in a new video released by a group calling themselves Jaish al-Mujahidin, or Army of Warriors, al Jazeera reports. However, the Associated Press reports that a voice can be heard on the video claiming the group is called Mujahedeen in Iraq.
The AP reports that a voice on the video says, "We are now investigating the reason they are in the country, and we ask the Indonesian government to clarify their position and tell us the reason they are in the country. Otherwise we will kill them."
In response, Indonesia has issued several statements clarifying their anti-war stance. Family members have also emphasized that the journalists were in the country to report on the plight of the Iraqi people.
Image: al Jazeera
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Despite these people's claims, a recent poll by Il Corriere della Sera has shown a 54% approving our mission in Iraq, while 40% disapproves.
Posted by: Stefania at February 19, 2005 12:15 PM (l5Y0f)
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its being reported on uk news that an female iraqi news reporter has been kidnapped. i was reading recently that the tv station she works for has been reporting on the terrorists and showing footage of the captured ones im afraid this looks like another attempt to quell any good news that they are being caught. I hope she will be ok but i have my doubts.
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Sparky,
Do you have a link? I can't find that.
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February 16, 2005
Syria and Iran Form Anti-US Alliance
The Axis of Evil decided to replace Iraq with Syria today. Iran announced they will put up a united front against the US with their Muslim brothers in Syria. While both Syria and Iran have opposed the two year old US occupation of Iraq, the latest diplomatic maneuvering came after the US objected to the nearly 30 year old Syrian occupation of Lebanon.
BBC:
Iran has vowed to back Syria against "challenges and threats" as both countries face strong US pressure.
"We are ready to help Syria on all grounds to confront threats," Iranian Vice-President Mohammad Reza Aref said after meeting Syrian PM Naji al-Otari....
"Our Syrian brothers are facing specific threats and we hope they can benefit from our experience. We are ready to give them any help necessary," Mr Aref said.
Syria, for its part, backed away from the Iranian threats:
However, Syria's ambassador in the US denied that the common front was an alliance against Washington.
"We are not the enemies of the United States, and we do not want to be drawn into such an enmity," Imad Moustapha told CNN.
Others:
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Their defense pact does not surprise me, as they have found a common enemy that keeps threatening their governments.
Our policies are creating too many enemies!
Posted by: Collin Baber at February 17, 2005 10:43 PM (FV4oJ)
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Who gives a shit what they do?
Yea sure! We just recently caused them to hate us. How about the last 1400 years. We are not muslim and don't believe in standing by and watching a few million Jews get beheaded.
Now you know the real reason. Get a life.
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February 15, 2005
Hamas Funds Unfrozen by Palestinian Authority
While the Palestinian Authority gives the terror group Hamas their blood money back, the US is busy freezing terrorists assets. JP:
Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has agreed to unfreeze Hamas funds held in a number of Palestinian banks, Palestinian sources in Gaza City said Monday....
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Wait, you must have thought this was AIR for a sec!!
Posted by: Rusty at February 15, 2005 08:47 PM (JQjhA)
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Maybe it was part of their peace agreement?
Cindy
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February 11, 2005
Zarqawi Mistakingly Released
Wow, talk about incompetence.....but at least were still hot on the trail.
Kuna:
Eyewitnesses Thursday reported to the authorities and claimed terrorist leader Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi was seen in Kirkuk this morning, Kirkuk Police Commander Sarhat Qader told reporters.
The official said "still unconfirmed" information suggested Al-Zarqawi was seen in Kirkuk today in a white vehicle.
This after interior ministry investigations showed Al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian, was actually captured and released after security personnel failed to recognize him. The US prize for his head or assisting in his capture stands at USD 10 million.
Hat tip:
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Fucking Gingerbread Man!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Laura at February 11, 2005 12:00 PM (ptOpl)
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zaqarwi released, it must not of been an american who had this animal. i am an american and we would not make that mistake. or either it really wasn't him.
this animal is not even iraqie, what is his problem? he is just an animal who likes to slaughter innocent tied up people. he would never attempt to behead someone if they were not tied up. he has to make sure he himself will not be hurt. he makes me sick. we will get him and when we do it needs to be an eye for an eye. but we are americans and he'll be protected with every law that will allow him to be protected. but the world doesn't need to get the wrong message americans hate this animal.
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Zarqawi is probably one of the worst charachters in history.
In fact there have been many other man-slaughterers but none have been so coward.
He is a puny individual who hides continuously, flees before the "enemy" (as seen in Falluja) leaving his followers to "stand" and die and utterly kills innocent people beheading them alive (inhuman, simply wild) while they are tied and under the menace of firearms.
Also he and his followers are good only in playing bully with truck-drivers, waiters and balding middle-aged professionals.
As they face professional soldiers they flee like cowrd ants.
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February 09, 2005
Al Qaeda Operatives Arrested in Iraq
Note that it was the Iraqis who caught these Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi aides with the aid of the local population. Zarqawi's organization, previously known as
Tawhid and Jihad, is now
al Qaeda in Iraq. Zarqawi's terrorist group is behind many of the beheading murders in Iraq.
Yesterday another Zarqawi aid was arrested in Tikrit on suspicion of being involved in beheadings. Very good news indeed. Via the
Reliapundit this
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All it takes is one capture and so much of the network is exposed. Much like what happened when Pakistani police arrested that computer whiz several months ago, which led to multiple arrests in the weeks that followed. We'll probably see more arrests/raids because of this.
Speaking of Al Qaeda, here's an interesting article about Hakeem Olajuwon's donations/establishment to a mosque that might have donated money to the group.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050209.wolaju9/BNStory/Sports/
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I don't understand something though. I see headlines all the time, "closing in on Zarqawi" with the capture of all these "top aides".
How come we can't get any of them to squeal about Zarqawi's hideout?
Posted by: Laura at February 09, 2005 04:10 PM (ptOpl)
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Remember that it took a year to track down Saddam Hussein. Zarqawi only became enemy number 1 last year.....
Venom, good article. I had seen it but didn't get around to bloggin on it.
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No worries, I just thought it was interesting.
As for Zarqawi, yeah, it obviously can take long before the head of a terrorist organization is caught - obviously group members will try to protect him over themselves. But I agree, it's noteworthy how often he's "just missed." We're probably bordering on half a dozen times in the last 6 months, given what we hear and what we don't hear.
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February 08, 2005
Peace in Our Time
More...Still More.....Yet more.....
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Good related piece from AEI
http://www.aei.org/research/nai/news/newsID.21834,projectID.11/news_detail.asp
Found it through my favorite math teacherÂ’s blog.
http://braden.weblogger.com/paraHunt/SteppesCentralAsia
Posted by: James at February 08, 2005 12:54 PM (rP4OC)
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I, Dr.Jack Shepard SAYS: I pray that God Blesses the Middle East with Peace & Mr. Sharon makes it to heaven or the whole world will go to Hell!
I also have 2 witnesses that Iain Hook was told a few weeks before his murder "We were going to send a message to Kofi Annan and you will know when we send it.
I love Israel; now we will see if Mr. Sharon really wishes peace, he controls his military 100%, while as everyone in the world knows that Abu Mazen can not.
With President Bush and Secretary of State Rice on aboard, you will see Mr. Sharon will have too be an real peace partner.
As General Sharon he only knows war; I pray that he remembers that he, Mr. Sharon will be judged by God on his Judgment day.
I know and hope that God will forgive him; but if I was God this would be his last chance. If he does not work as a real partner of President Bush, and Abu Mazen toward peace.
He will dwell in the fires of Hell Forever, if he acts and does what pleases God, and spends more time praying for peace then killing for peace; God will still BE forgive him.
At his age; his actions should be like all of us to please God. Hell and Heaven await all of us forever, this life time is only a test.
The hate he has in him is an action from the dEVIL in the past were part of God's plan, I pray for him to learn to love, and he has it in him to do what pleases God.
I pray for him because if he can not lead Israel to share God's world with the weak,and hungry, he will dwell in Hell if he does not stop playing games; God is all seeing and all knowing.
Like I said above, it is not for me to judge; even though I have access to facts that very few people at the high levels do, which obviously few do.
So when I say something it is the truth. I only what people to remember they can play games with everyone but not with God.
If I was Mr. Sharon as of yesterday I would fear God, if he is a real believer.
I hope SOMEONE WILL forwards this to him, I as a friend and Warner CAN ONLY SAY MR. SHARON -LAST CHANCE FOR HEAVEN>DO NOT FORGET ABOUT GOD.
With a change of heart; God is the most forgiving. General Sharon knows his record like I do.
I pray for him to change his ways; with the whole world watching if he REMEMBERS THAT HE really will have to please God.
He has much to ask forgiveness from God For. HE KNOWS! That is between him and God. You and I will see be his actions.
I thank God that President Bush was reelected and that he choose Secretary of State Rice and that they are moving so fast.
I have been praying for President Bush, to become the Abe Lincoln of modern times for 4 years now. I hero of history who stopped a WORLD CIVIL WAR! Watch my words come true.
I predict President George W. Bush, Mr. Sharon, Mr. Abu Mazen and Secretary of State Rice will be getting the Nobel Peace Award next year.
I pray that God Blesses the Middle East with Peace AND Mr. Sharon makes it to heaven or the whole world will go to Hell!
Dr. Jack Shepard
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Are they really calling for ceasefire in Pakistan?
Posted by: Laura at February 08, 2005 03:05 PM (ptOpl)
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As others have said, there have been zillions of ceasefires, so this doesn't mean much. It's only interesting because Arafat is gone. MAYBE the new leadership means it, but the way I see it the new leadership has the burden of proving that they mean it.
Posted by: Libertarian Girl at February 08, 2005 03:49 PM (NigL1)
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I'm with Libertarian girl. Hey Dr. Shephard, last warning man. Don't make me ban you.
Posted by: Rusty at February 08, 2005 03:58 PM (JQjhA)
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Laura, they're talking about the Israeli's and the Palestinians.
Who is this Dr Shepherd? How do you know he's not for real?
Um, the new Palestinian president means it, wants it, but he unfortunately has two groups who will not listen to his orders: Hamas and Hezbollah. But I do hope that these groups follow along with the peace plan.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at February 08, 2005 05:00 PM (PEKrh)
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can somebody photoshop teddy jo kopechnes head onto neville's body?
ditto kerry and carter?
it would be HIGHLARIOUS.
Posted by: reliapundit at February 08, 2005 05:39 PM (LIoo8)
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I guess I would buy it as soon as the Palestinian authority starts taking down the Hammas terrorists. It's not like they don't know who they are. ...This will never happen, so why would Israel be so foolish to make peach with a Government that winks at terorists operating under it's nose?
Keep the wall up Israel, they want the whole thing!!!!
Posted by: Brad at February 08, 2005 11:10 PM (6krEN)
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As you pesky infidels know, Abu MAzen does not speak for 99% of the Jew hating palestinians.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at February 09, 2005 08:20 AM (yBHNA)
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an 99% of palestinians don't hate jews....maby the COUNTRY of Israel..but not the jews themself per say
Posted by: Common Sense at February 09, 2005 08:33 AM (tkj+t)
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Actually, I think this ceasefire will succeed to some extent. Mainly because:
1) Other "ceasefires" that failed tended to be unilateral. This one has both sides on board, and very publicly so. While there are other factions to consider, Hamas seems to accept the legitimacy of Abbas' rule. Coupled with the fact that he was overwhelmingly voted in when Palestinians knew he was looking for peace with Israel spells more than a fleeting chance.
2) The fact that Hamas is adopting a wait-and-see approach as opposed to coming full-out and saying they won't abide by the terms of the ceasefire shows that there's some room for them to be a part of the peace deal. Despite the fact their tone regarding this is negative, some of the group's main commanders have been speaking more conciliatory in recent months. This also tells me that the group is willing to examine alternatives to violence.
3) It wouldn't be in Hamas' or Hezbollah's best interests to commit terrorist acts at this point. As mentioned before, the fact that Abbas was elected with a large majority by people who knew he was looking for peace, shows that those same people were looking for peace. Hamas, Hezbollah, or any other terrorist group would face a negative public backlash by Palestinians (the people they're allegedly fighting for) if they stood in the way of this.
Anyhow, I'm sure if peace comes it'll take more time than a photo-op. But, I find this latest round of negotiating pretty encouraging.
Posted by: Venom at February 09, 2005 09:36 AM (dbxVM)
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Uhhhh... duh, muslims hate the jew. What planet do you live on?
When the a-rabs say, "Drive them into the sea" what do you think they mean?
You are an ass.
Posted by: Allahsucksballs at February 09, 2005 10:04 AM (yBHNA)
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ASB, they hate zionists...not jews. And with good reason. You wouldn't understand.
Posted by: Jim at February 09, 2005 12:14 PM (p6jU/)
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I agree with Allahsucksballs. Jim, you are an ass. Go smoke some more weeeeeed.
Posted by: obsnooks at February 09, 2005 12:53 PM (yBHNA)
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Jim: You are wrong, we arabs hate the jew.
Posted by: Regular Arab Guy at February 09, 2005 12:55 PM (yBHNA)
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Thats people for you, you give them reason, they give you hell
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Iraqi Villagers Take on Terrorists
File under good news. When more of this starts happening, we'll know we have won. Via
Paul at Wizbang this
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The Iraqi police have investigated a case in the village of al-Mudhariya, which is just south of Baghdad. The villagers there say that before the election insurgents came and warned them that if they voted in last weekend's election, they would pay.
Now the people of this mixed village of Sunni and Shia Muslims, they ignored the threat and they did turn out to vote.
We understand that last night the insurgents came back to punish the people of al-Mudhariya, but instead of metering out that punishment the villagers fought back and they killed five of the insurgents and wounded eight. They then burnt the insurgents' car. So the people of that village have certainly had enough of the insurgents.
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YES!!!
If this story is true, I say, it's about time!
My hat is off to these folks.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at February 04, 2005 10:52 AM (x+5JB)
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I hate to see anyone wounded. I wish that the eight had been given the privilege of martyrdom like the other five.
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Ditto: About time. One or two more of these incidents and maybe the ball will start to steamroll. I can't wait for the day it is fashionable to kill terrorists. Drag them from their cars, burn their bodies and hang them from overpasses.
But do not make them wear panties on their heads or pile up naked. That would be too much. Such INHUMAN treatment would result in jail time for the freedom fighters. aaaaaaahhhh!
Posted by: greyrooster at February 04, 2005 03:32 PM (JHIKU)
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LMFAO!!!! oh no, the villagers better not make them do THAT! Better to just kill 'em.
Posted by: Laura at February 04, 2005 03:49 PM (ptOpl)
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Don't use the word "fashionable" when discussing killing. Those that threaten the lives of others need to be stopped. Those that NO LONGER pose a threat or are in PRISON should not be killed. If you don't understand that then there is no hope for you.
The villagers did what they had to do. More would do the same if it wasn't for the fact that the terrorists do a great job of TERRORIZING them into sumbission. That is their goal. That is why they make the videos. Get it now? Its good to know that some have fought back.
Rooster, if someone forced you to get naked under gunpoint and pile up with other naked victims while they videotaped you and laughed, they would go to jail. Unless you are telling me you would not press charges. You make it sound like you would have a jolly old time and then pat the guilty party on the back for their fine work. Get real.
Posted by: Jim at February 04, 2005 04:40 PM (aL36c)
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JIM: As before. You are one sick terrorist hugging shit. Who the hell are you to tell me what to say. Sissies like you cause more Americans to get killed. A piece of dog shit like you would call the cops in that situation. The greyrooster wouldn't. For one thing the greyrooster would tell them to fuck off and not do it. Then greyrooster would figure a way to get even. You would not. You would do as they did. For you are as cowardly as they. I'm a man you are a rat. Difference in how we think. Terrible torture huh!. Worst things happened to me in a frat hazing. Of course, you never went though one. No self respecting frat would have a chicken shit like you. Maybe a sorority for ugly women might take you.
I understand that those caught and put into prison might very well have killed an American soldier the day before. That's what they do. That's their purpose in life. They enjoy killing. We get captured, we die a horrible slow death. They get captured they get cuttled by assholes like you. Grow the fuck up. Take no prisoners. The prisoner might have killed your buddy last week. Or might be released to kill again as already happened numerous times.
You are totally devoid of common sense. You do not understand what makes men tick. For you truly are not one.
You need a testosterone shot. In fact you need lots of testosterone shots. Maybe, just maybe they will make you feel like man. Then you can begin to think like one. Now go back to your muslim boyfriend and shut the fuck up. PUNK!
By the way, have you come out of the closet yet?
Posted by: greyrooster at February 04, 2005 05:53 PM (JHIKU)
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Greyrooster, as far as I'm concerned it's fashionable to kill the little bastards right now and when they kill em, they need to smile as they watch em die.
Jim, I appreciate your argument, it's just that I don't buy into it. But that's what makes everybody different, isn't it?
Posted by: elliott at February 04, 2005 06:16 PM (yYGP5)
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Rooster, answer the question then...would you press charges if someone did that to you?
Posted by: Jim at February 04, 2005 06:46 PM (aL36c)
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I already told you the answer. I wouldn't do it. I would say fuck you. I have enought sense and they surely should that the American troops wouldn't do shit if you said fuck you.
Read the paragraph again it says a piece of dog shit like you would call the cops in that situation. THE GREYROOSTER WOULDN'T. What the fuck you mean I didn't answer. Quit playing with your rag head domestic pardners dick and pay attention.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 04, 2005 08:02 PM (JHIKU)
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It is impossible for people like JIM to understand the mind of a brave person. The thought process is different. Someone hits me I try and knock his head off. Jim calls the cops. He cannot understand value like courage, bravery, loyalty. He is a different species. Nature has made wolves and sheep. I am like the wolf. Sometimes I die fighting. That's the way it is. Jim is the sheep, he dies running.
Wolves fight wolves. Sheep do anything to avoid a fight. They run, they hide, they wag their tails in submission, they call the shepherd. Terrorists are wolves. They figure if god didn't want sheep sheared he wouldn't have made them sheep.
The Jims of the world will never understand manhood. It's beyond his comprehension. It's his nature to run and hide and kiss ass. Submission and groveling is how he protects himself. He disquises his fear by saying he cares about the wolf. He figures he won't get bitten that way.
Some of us are different. We don't care if we get bitten. The pack comes first. We are loyal to our pack. We wouldn't change even if we knew we were going to lose. I don't care if he understands me. AND I SURE AS HELL DON'T WISH TO ACT LIKE HIM. Take you free ride Jim. You're the one who needs to look in the mirror. Then go baa, baa. Those who you would snitch on are protecting the sheep.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 04, 2005 08:32 PM (JHIKU)
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So you are telling me that if someone at gunpoint told you to do those things that you tell them to "fuck off" and not to do. So you are assuming that the abusers in question would let you off that easily? That when you tell them to fuck off they simply reply "yes greyrooster sir!", put down their guns and run away? And then they allow you to get even??? If you are going to pretend like you are answering the damn quesiton at least try not to sound like such an idiot.
So again, if someone has you at gun point and forces you to do those things, would you press charges? If you refuse and they beat you...how much would you endure before you comply? If they fire their gun at your feet, how many shots before you dance? I am not talking about American troops. I am talking about any ASSAILANT. Doesn't matter if they are black, white, woman or man. Any person who wants to cause you physical harm. I am guessing that you would EVENTUALLY comply. You can pretend to be so proud that you would die before being forced to do those things but no one would believe you. Even you would find it hard to believe yourself. Stop acting so hard.
You would do those things and if given the opportunity to bring the bastards that did it to justice, you would take it. Now shut your mouth because you know you would. If you can understand that then you can understand what inhuman actions are. Then you can understand why those soldiers are on trial.
ANOTHER CASE CLOSED. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
Posted by: Jim at February 04, 2005 08:35 PM (aL36c)
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Oh, Apparently some of the Iraqi citizenry is now acting like the wolf and fighting. This means the end of the terrorists wolves. That is as long as the sheep don't get in the way.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 04, 2005 08:38 PM (JHIKU)
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Again, The troops you say are so inhuman were in reality American troops. Yes, I would take the beating before submitting. We both know the beatings at Abu Garib were bullshit. I would not dance and no one at Abu Garib had their feet shot at. You are an exaggerating bullshit artist. Pure lies. Nothing more. If you are not talking about American troops who the hell are you talking about? American troops were in charge at Abu Garib when the so called inhuman acts happened. They didn't happen. You are a liar.
As I said before. It is impossible for a cowardly little snitch like you to judge people that are not cowards. The greyrooster doesn't dance. If I was to get shot in the foot, it would hurt. That's all. But dancing would hurt me more. YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT. Because you do not have the courage and internal pride to understand. That is why you are a sheep. I would rather feel pain than be a sheep. I've already felt all the pain most people could only think about. Wasn't that big of a deal. But Shame. Now that's a big deal.
If I were as cowardly as you. I think I would find the nearest bridge. What's the point of you living. You're to cowardly to experience manhood or any of the glory that goes with it.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 04, 2005 08:55 PM (JHIKU)
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Now its my turn to call BULLSHIT. You would do whatever it takes to survive. That is human instinct. But lets pretend for a moment that you really are the most courageous person alive like you claim. Would it be safe to say that MOST people are not as BRAVE and HEROIC like you? Would it be safe to say that MOST people would break down after hours of beating or under threats to their life and thus, be forced to do those things? YES.
Stop pretending like these things didn't happen. The proof is in the pictures. You think the prisoners happily piled up on each other, had intercourse with each other, allowed themselves to be raped without PROTESTING? You think they willfully participated in those humilliating acts? No. SOMETHING "persuaded" them to do it. I am thinking it was either an M16 or some other tool.
You know what the most beautiful thing is though? I want you to pay close attention because you might not be able to understand it at first but you just PROVED MY POINT in your sob story at the end of your post. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION? I speak to you like a little child because you act like one. HERE WE GO:
You see, this whole arguement started because you didn't think the prisoners in Abu Ghraib were tortured. You think what they went through is nothing compared to pain or death. YET, in your last post you said that SHAME IS WORSE THAN DEATH. Your exact words:
"I would rather feel pain than be a sheep. I've already felt all the pain most people could only think about. Wasn't that big of a deal. But Shame. Now that's a big deal."
I think for the Muslims in that prison, having to pile up naked, having intercourse with each other or even simply wear underwear on their heads is about as SHAMEFUL as it gets for them. In your eyes that is worse than death correct? So according to you, what the prisoners went through in that sick ordeal IS WORSE THAN DEATH. I would end it here but there is more...
You said you went through similar things during fraternity hazing. So you allowed yourself to be SHAMED because you wanted to join a fucking frat? How sad are you now? What happened to the proud wolf? HAHAHAHAHAHA I hope you are proud of yourself. You contradict yourself so much that given time, you discount everything you say within 2 or 3 posts. You make it too easy man.
Posted by: Jim at February 04, 2005 11:41 PM (aL36c)
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Once again you are a liar. There was no intercourse. Just a wish on your part. They were merely stacked on top of one another. Shit everyone knows that. There was no pain involved. There was no hours of beatings. Proof is in the pictures? More of your bullshit. Where is the blood. Where are the bruises. Where is the swelling. Nerf balls don't leave bruises. Look at the pictures again imbecile. Getting slapped around a bit is not torture. LIAR, LIAR, COWARDLY LIAR. Why continue to lie and distort the facts. Be a man and tell the truth. But you ain't so you can't.
Secondly, what we did during Frat hazings were not shameful. We knew what they were. We laughed at ourselves and our brothers for thinking up such shit. Pure genius. Again, you cannot understand this feeling. You are a social outcast mad at the real people. The ones that fit in. Your actions show you have the same problem as the terrorist. Jealousy, You are jealous of those who are popular, those accepted by society, the people at the end of the bar doing the laughing and having fun. You are not one of them. It shows. Therefore, you take the side of the enemy and support them against those who haven't accepted you. It's your fault. If you weren't such a creep you might be accepted.
SHAME: Since you are a coward you cannot understand. SHAME: would be submitting to anyone telling you to do that. SHAME: would be getting naked and jumping on the stack instead of saying Fuck off and taking the beating. That would be SHAME. Again you cannot understand. Try testosterone. You need some.
This argument did not start with the Abu Garib prison thing. This argument started when the brave people of America chose to re-elect a brave leader. It started when cry baby little shits like you could not take your defeat like a man. Instead you choose to piss and moan, and belittle our government and our troops. The traitor you were backing was sent packing. You cannot accept that so you continue on. THE ACTIONS OF A COWARD. You are shit.
Your only option is the bridge. Be a man for the first time in your miserable insignificant life.
Why not? You haven't lived like a man. So whats the loss. On the way down maybe you will gain some self respect. A few moments is better than never experiencing it. Pitiful little nerd is what you truly are.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 05, 2005 08:53 AM (mRvYE)
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Oh so now the Jim's of the world are saying that they prisoners were beaten and raped beyond recognition? I didn't see anything in those photos. Easier to make it worse than it is, than to admit they weren't treated that badly?
Why the fuck are the Jim's of the world so quick to DEFEND THE FUCKING ENEMY????????? Why not show a little rage against the bastards that slowly sawed off heads of innocent victims not even remotely involved in the war? What about poor Margaret Hassan who was helping THEIR PEOPLE and they killed her anyway???
Fuck these animals, they didn't deserve to live, let alone take up space in prison.
TAKE NO PRISONERS....IF THEY WOULD'VE STUCK TO THAT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN ABU GHRAIB TO ARGUE OVER.
CASE CLOSED.
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Israel to Release 900 Palestinian Prisoners, Withdraw from West Bank Towns
As part of a cease-fire deal in preparation for the upcomig summit between Prime Minister Arial Sharon and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, Israel promised to Release 900 Palestinian Prisoners and withdraw from Jericho and five other West Bank towns.
Exactly how releasing 900 suspected terrorists and their sympathizers could possibly help a cease-fire was not explained by either the PA or the Israeli cabinet which approved the deal.
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I think this is a critical step towards peace in that region and throughout the middle east. I also think that Bush's proposal of funds to help this process is amazing. The majority of those "suspected terrorists" are probably teenagers who threw rocks at tanks and were lucky to survive shots from supposedly non-lethal rubber bullets if not worse. Of course there is no way to know for sure but I only make this speculation because you do as well.
I ask you all this question: how long can muslim rulers turn a blind eye to terrorists when they see the US making strides to help the palestenians? Would terrorist sympathizers continue their support when they see the US helping muslims?
Lets get to the point...the SMALL groups of muslims that the MSM loved to show dancing in the streets after 9/11...would they be as happy if the people that were killed were helping them build a house on the soil that was finally returned to them? I think not. Suddenly the few muslims that see terrorists as "freedom fighters" would realize what they truly are: monsters.
This is a huge step in the right direction to heal muslim-US relations.
Posted by: Jim at February 03, 2005 02:44 PM (p6jU/)
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I HOPE you're right. I FEAR you're wrong. We'll see.
Posted by: Rusty at February 03, 2005 04:15 PM (JQjhA)
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Now, Now Jim. Too late to get on the band wagon.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 03, 2005 05:53 PM (n5v9Q)
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It's 2005 and about damn time parts of the world began to make a turn for the better. The Middle East is one such part of the world. I'm glad we have a president who has a consistent, on-going commitment to helping the Israeli/Palestinian conflict become history. The signs are good. I believe the Muslim world is reluctant to admit that the U.S has good intentions, but our priority should continue to be encouragement and support for changes; our image to the world will better accordingly.
Posted by: Igor Kazakov at February 04, 2005 04:04 AM (xM3Dg)
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Rooster, as usual you don't make sense. What bandwagon are you talking about? Admit that you think it was a mistake on Bush's part before you read that comment. You probably still do. Like Rusty said, we shall see. Its about time Bush finally DID something about that issue (and backed it up financially) instead of simply talking about "what an unfortunate situation" it is. If he had did it in the first 4 years there might have been no 9/11.
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