One year ago today an al Qaeda cell calling itself "the death smoke squad" bombed four seperate trains in Madrid, Spain, killing 191 and wounding over a thousand more. Al Qaeda had demanded Spain withdraw its troops from Iraq. As a response to the bombing, Spain did just that.
As a result of Spanish withdrawal from Iraq the terrorists began a new round of threats, hostage taking, and murder. Whether or not the Spanish people intended to cave to terrorists is irrelevant for the likes of bin Laden and Zarqawi. They perceived Spain had given in to their demands therefore their strategy had worked.
Let's not forget that the goal of Islamic "terrorists" is not to "terrorize". The goal of Islamic terrorists is to restore the Caliphate to its maximum borders, which includes most of Spain.
Last night Muslim clerics in Spain issued a fatwa against Osama bin Laden, the founder of al-Qaeda, for inspiring the Madrid massacre. Let us not forget that many of these same clerics hope for the same goal as bin Laden--an Islamic state ruling Spain. They may disagree with the means of achieving the ends, but the ends would be a fascist state worse than anything Franco ever imposed.
Spain, we feel for your loss. Spain, we also condemn you for adding fuel to the fire of global jihad.
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And Spain, we commend you for adding some Latin flare to our hemisphere. Coochie coochie. But I must ask, what would Pizarro do (WWPD) now? Would he have backed down to a bunch of sandpeople, or would he have kicked some tail with his 17 men and a donkey, ransomed some prisoners, and melted minarets into gold? What happened to you, Spain... you used to be cool.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at March 11, 2005 08:52 AM (mJwYW)
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D'oh, never mind. Late night last night...
Posted by: Venom at March 11, 2005 10:23 AM (dbxVM)
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Is Spain turning sissy? Back in the good ole days they could kill thousands of natives armed with rocks. Club to death hundreds of chained British prisioners.
Wait a minute. I just thought of something. Now days, the savages have weapons to fight back. Could this be the reason for their change in attitude?
Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 11:15 AM (CBNGy)
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Good news, eh???
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/fc/World/spain/latest_developments/*http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=2&u=/nm/20050311/ts_nm/security_spain_fatwa_dc_1
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 11, 2005 11:18 AM (x+5JB)
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Bravo for Spaniards, who chose not to go on licking the ass of G.W Bush. 90% of the population against the american terrorism in Irak before the bombs, 90% after that.
The democracy spoke against the irracionality of the war.
Posted by: lorddelsith at March 11, 2005 01:11 PM (uVl88)
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Where's Franco when you need him?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 11, 2005 01:33 PM (x+5JB)
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If the Spaniards had really wanted to honor the deaths of those who died in the train bombing, they would have strengthened their resolve, not caved in.
Posted by: Vonski at March 11, 2005 01:51 PM (AHaCg)
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Let's do the math.
90% of the Spanish dissapproved US policies before the Iraq invasion.
90% of the Spanish dissapproved US policies after the Iraq invasion.
The net changed is 0.
Therefore, Bush's invasion of Iraq has not influenced Spanish public opion one bit.
lordelsith, please call Bush an idiot. Give me the whipped cream and cherry.
Posted by: Charles at March 11, 2005 02:24 PM (mwUMN)
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Spanish is an adjetive, not a noun
Posted by: lorddelsith at March 11, 2005 02:33 PM (uVl88)
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Which is the relation between Iraq and terrorism?
At least, before the invasion of Iraq, none. What have in common politically Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein? Both speak arabic?
Posted by: lorddelsith at March 11, 2005 02:39 PM (uVl88)
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The problem with you, lordelsith, is that you confuse "terrorism" with al Qaeda. There are thousands of terrorist organizations in the world, al Qaeda only being the most famous. Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism.
My post is clear on another point, "Whether or not the Spanish people intended to cave to terrorists is irrelevant for the likes of bin Laden and Zarqawi. They perceived Spain had given in to their demands therefore their strategy had worked."
That is, regardless of the message the Spanish intended to send, the one they sent was that they were weak and would give in to the demands of terrorists.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at March 11, 2005 03:06 PM (JQjhA)
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Rusty, Is U.S going to invade Spain to exterminate Basques?
. Please, name any terrorist action worldwide sponsored by Saddam Hussein in the last 15 years. None ? Uhhh, some arguememts are so naif.
Posted by: lorddelsith at March 11, 2005 11:09 PM (uVl88)
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lorddelsith, Dan Darling who posts at windsofchange.net and his own blog has detailed the links between Iraq and Al Queda. Additionally, he and others have detailed the connections between the Rahman group who performed the first WTC bombing and Iraqi intelligence.
Even with that, you are deliberately setting up a false goalpost. Even if Iraq didn't support a specific terrorist act, there is plenty of evidence of Iraq's general support of terrorist groups.
Your own ignorance isn't an argument.
Posted by: SPQR at March 11, 2005 11:28 PM (xauGB)
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The US is going to invade Spain and put the only brave people on the pennisula in charge. The Basques. The muslims conquered the Spanish for 400 years, (before birth control, or condoms). They never conquered the Basques.
My one and only trip to Spain I noticed some interesting architecture. Was confused. I seen the same building in Morroco. Have a nice day. Remember to pray 5 times. Why not practice? They're coming again. Same old weak spot. Spain, the gateway to Islam.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 11:41 PM (CBNGy)
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Spanish is an adjetive. Not a noun.
Says it all.
Spanish is a noun. Not an adjective.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 11:45 PM (CBNGy)
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"Whether or not the Spanish people intended to cave to terrorists is irrelevant for the likes of bin Laden and Zarqawi. They perceived Spain had given in to their demands therefore their strategy had worked."
Are we to be bound by the perceptions of bin laden and zarqawi too?
Posted by: actus at March 11, 2005 11:46 PM (5Lqt9)
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Nah, Spain surrendered several days later when elections were held (the 14th I believe?). Remember the election for their surrender. For the 11th, remember the nearly 300 innocent civilians who died.
Posted by: Beck at March 12, 2005 01:53 AM (pmSUH)
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Spain suffered and finally changed the government to match the will of the people. There was no surrender.
Posted by: Collin Baber at March 12, 2005 03:00 AM (fufbw)
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Spaniard.......noun
Spanish........adjective.
Links of Iraq with terrorist groups, like the mass destruction weapons, still looking for them. Interest of the U.S in Iraq, petrol and the superhabit in the budget left by Clinton.
Results, thousands of inocent people dead.
This is the war against terrorism.
Not only the basque escaped fromo muslim invasion, all the north spain from Galicia to Catalunya were never occupied by muslims. For the people who could worried about a change in the religion in Spain, should know that the only religious beliving that is increasing in Spain, fortunately, is atheism.
The only surrender of Spain was when conservatives broke its alliance with France and Germany and started to pray looking to Whasington.
Posted by: lorddelsith at March 12, 2005 06:30 AM (uVl88)
Posted by: Robin Roberts at March 12, 2005 07:27 PM (xauGB)
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You have said it, Robin, a link discussing what "USA today" says. Do you think that I loose my time in reading this things?. Please, post the link with a UNO resolution acusing Irak of any involvement with terrorism. Or at least, a court in the U.S vinculating the sovereing state of Irak with the WTC bombings.
For listening opinions I prefer to listen G.W Bush and the weapons of mass destruction, it is very ilustrative to realise which is the creditibility of american politicians all around the world.
Posted by: lorddelsith at March 13, 2005 05:17 AM (uVl88)
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lorddelsith: Just because you lack the ability to see the big picture doesn't mean others don't. When you grow up, perhaps to will have the depth of thought to understand.
My experience has shown me that only a fool waits for someone to hit him first. Of course that would make him in the right to fight back. Myself, I would rather hit first and win. If I foresee a fight that I cannot avoid, better for the other quy to bleed. Iraqi people where responsibile for Saddam. Not the USA. They did not take care of him, so we did. Anyone who believes a mad man like Saddam should stay in power is a fool.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 13, 2005 08:15 AM (JDP+5)
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The Spanish. Adjective or noun?
Posted by: greyrooster at March 13, 2005 12:40 PM (CBNGy)
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lordelsith, no I knew that you didn't spend any time reading anything at all that might have a chance of informing you about reality.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at March 13, 2005 08:05 PM (xauGB)
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Example: Spanish coward. Spanish used as adjective. The Spanish are cowards. Spanish used as an noun. Get the point? Ha, Ha.
I love rainy days. I can stay in the house, have a few drinks, prepare a speech for Tuesday nights meeting, watch TV and play on the computer. Now if I lived in a muslim country. I couldn't do that. so, screw them all. Oh ya! 1" thick pork chops for dinner. Only in America. I love it. Even rainy day are great.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 13, 2005 09:00 PM (CBNGy)
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Pork chops--that's why Jack Daniels Grilling Sauce was created.
Like you say, only in America.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 14, 2005 07:47 AM (x+5JB)
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