February 23, 2006

Reap What You Sow

The Muslim riots in Nigeria earlier in the week have now produced a backlash from Christians in the south after Muslims rioted against Christians to protest the publication of satirical cartoons depicting Muhammad. Of course these were not spontaneous riots and never mind that Nigerians had nothing to do with it. They were incited by Muslim clerics in a misguided effort to get respect for Islam by use of fear. Rather than protesting peacefully against those actually responsible they took out their frustrations on those who had nothing to do with the issue. Burning Churches and murdering Christians in the street. In Nigeria where this kind of Muslim/Christian is fairly common the result has been that the Christians there are violently turning against Islam, burning Mosques and killing in revenge. Giving right back to the Muslims what they had been dishing out just a few days before. Now the Muslims are fleeing and finding themselves in the same position they put others in just a few days before. I cannot condone Christian riots and Killing. However the bible does say ye shall reap what ye sow. Looks like the Muslims in Nigeria are harvesting a bumper crop!

Washington Post : ONITSHA, Nigeria -- Muslims fled this southeast Nigerian city and corpses still smoldered in its streets Thursday as two days of sectarian violence that killed more than 50 people subsided.
Saturday in the northern city of Maiduguri, Muslim protests against cartoons caricaturing the Prophet Muhammad turned violent, razing 30 churches and claiming the lives of 18 people, mostly Christians.
Similar violence followed Monday and Tuesday in the northern city of Bauchi, where witnesses and Red Cross officials say 25 people were killed when Muslim mobs attacked Christians there.
The violence came to Onitsha Tuesday, apparently in reaction to the killings in Maiduguri and Bauchi, which like most of northern Nigeria, are dominated by Muslims. Onitsha, like most of the south, is dominated by Christians.
More here from Alertnet :
Christian mobs, seeking revenge for the killings of Christians in the north, attacked Muslims with cutlasses, destroyed their houses and torched mosques in two days of violence in Onitsha, where at least 85 people have died.
"We are very happy that this thing is happening so that the north will learn their lesson," said Anthony Umai, a motorcycle taxi rider, standing close to where Christian youths had piled up the corpses of 10 Muslims and were burning them.
I'm never happy about violence, however if the Muslims seek to gain respect from the rest of the world by fear, intimidation, and murder it ain't working doc. In fact, if anything, the uproar has only spread the disrespect and the cartoons even further than if they had been ignored in the first place. How this could benefit Islam in any way is beyond me.

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1 An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Islamic Clerics unite. Please help stop the violence abroad. Even against your own. The world is getting fed up with the BS and it shows. No one is afraid anymore and this is only to worsen. Be the hero not the doomsayer of your own people.

Posted by: Joe at February 23, 2006 12:56 PM (Z2ndo)

2 The same thing happens in India when muslims riot there. Hindus just murder them right back. When will the moooslims learn. And no, their violence has not caused anybody to "respect" them, only abhor them.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 23, 2006 01:07 PM (8e/V4)

3 The Islamist's only weapon is our own tolerance of their violence, trying to pass it off as "righteous anger" or some legitimate form of demonstration. Burning an embassy, or destroying someone else's property, is not free speech. It is an attempt to put into place a thugocracy. Any government that does not harshly punish those involved has absolutely no legitimacy. Violence against these thugs and their supporters in light of a government which refuses to take action is not only called for, but absolutely just and a requirement if the Christians of Niger wish to remain a free people. And I say this as a rabid atheist. Mercy to the guilty is treason to the innocent.

Posted by: MiB at February 23, 2006 01:26 PM (tFcEO)

4 Death to Islam

Posted by: Andy at February 23, 2006 03:09 PM (tMU4W)

5 Way to go Christians in Nigeria! It is about time someone defended themselves. While we hold hands , and sing songs. Could any Muslims in America please burn an American flag close to me? Ft. Worth, Texas would be nice. Support Denmark, buy Danish.

Posted by: Leatherneck at February 23, 2006 03:12 PM (D2g/j)

6 well spoken MiB, you're my kind of an athiest :-)

Posted by: Javapuke at February 23, 2006 03:27 PM (zTtEv)

7 These Muslims in Nigeria have hopefully learned a hard lesson, and I sincerely hope that Muslims around the world will stop this silliness before they cause the entire world to hate them. And more people are getting fed up daily. I'm at my breaking point, myself.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 23, 2006 03:35 PM (rUyw4)

8 JP, all those "atheists" who are constantly attacking Christians and Christianity, are really just communists parading in the guise of atheists. A real atheist is usually also a non-ideologue. That said, I hope the Nigerians kill lots of muslims.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 23, 2006 03:55 PM (0yYS2)

9 Christianity is as illogical as any religion; I'm not going to give them a pass on that. But they aren't trying to blow me up, either. So they can go on with their faith stuff and I won't bother them if they don't bother me. I like that arrangement; Islamists, obviously, do not give me this option. While I don't care for their faith at all, I do defend, and rabidly so, their right to it. And I will urge them to take action - violent action, in this case - to protect that right. Because, while I do not like Christians or Christianity very much, they are tolerable and tend to not cut the heads off of nonbelievers. I know which side I'm on in this war.

Posted by: MiB at February 23, 2006 04:52 PM (tFcEO)

10 Max I understand where you're coming from. It is not common an athiest has the convictions to bring him/herself to regard fundamental rights for Christians. This is almost humerous. MiB you're the exception but I have known others like you, usually more libertarian consistant in their values. Whatever your politics you'd be welcome in my home.

Posted by: Javapuke at February 23, 2006 06:29 PM (rzVXG)

11 Gezzzzz MIB, I quess your welcome at my table too. Now, who's turn is it to say the blessing?

Posted by: Leatherneck at February 23, 2006 08:01 PM (D2g/j)

12 JP, speaking as an atheist myself, it takes a lot of moral fibre to be a true atheist and a good citizen, because we have abandoned ideology-based morality in exchange for principle-based morality, and thus stand alone as an independant human being, knowing that we must answer to none but our fellow man and our own conscience for the things we do. As for me, my own conscience is a far more stern judge than any invisible man in the sky, so I tend to be well-behaved and will not wrong my fellow man without justification. This is why atheists don't go around killing people for no good reason, but religious people often do; we can't rationalize violence so easily, because we must answer to ourselves for our own sins.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 23, 2006 08:14 PM (0yYS2)

13 IM, just because atheists don't have religion doesn't mean they don't have ideology. And that ideology will cause them to kill in even greater numbers sometimes. See, you are still human, and that's what humans do. They kill, unless their particular ideology/religion tells them not to.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 23, 2006 09:08 PM (8e/V4)

14 Max I'd say you're an atheit's ideologue. A ton of lefties are atheists and commies, their problem is being honest enough to admit it. But I have no problem giving them the benifit of doubt. Nothing personal So you really think you're more stern than Allah?

Posted by: Javapuke at February 23, 2006 09:12 PM (2+rWy)

15 It appears that while 'turning the other cheek' may well work in many cases, it does not work with Islamofacists. The Nigerian Islamo's merely take it as an opportunity to 'Bitch slap' the Christians'. Maybe the Islamo's should read a few other Biblical references prior to butchering the innocent, in the name of their 7th century religion. References such as: He who lives by the sword... The Islamists keep harping on about the Crusades, it would appear that in Nigeria they've started another localized one; maybe the Islamo's should emigrate to the Arabian desert, where they can joyfully kill each other in the name of their particular Islamic sect; because it sure looks as though the Nigerian Christians' won't take any more of their shit.

Posted by: Ken at February 23, 2006 09:24 PM (CYeOT)

16 You guys are confusing atheism with communism, which is just a state religion. Carlos, there is no incident in history where atheists killed anyone stricly on behalf of atheism. There are however many examples of so-called atheists killing Christians in the name of - you guessed it! - Communism! Communism is nothing but a competing religion, and has been trying to wipe out Christianity for a long time, because Communism cannot exist alongside Christianity, although it does seem to overlay nicely with islam, which would go far in explaining how the global leftist movement is hand in glove with islamic terroristm, although the two appear on the surface to be ideologically different. Scratch a militant Atheist, (notice the capitalization), and you'll find a leftard every time, but there are plenty of us just like me, who cherish our culture, history, and civilization, and respect the rights of our fellow man, and ask, nothing more in return.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 24, 2006 05:06 AM (0yYS2)

17 Oh, I almost forgot to post on the original topic. I wonder how long it will take for the muslims to start crying about how the Christians in Nigeria are oppressing them, and calling for a jihad against them? I wish I could afford to take off for six months and go there on a little safari.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 24, 2006 05:10 AM (0yYS2)

18 IM, but you said that a true atheist cannot be an ideologue, and I beg to differ. Man needs to believe in something, so remove religion from the mix and an atheist will fill the void with an ideology. Your best hope is only that the ideology you choose is a good one.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 24, 2006 03:00 PM (8e/V4)

19 I guess you could consider a love of liberty and the Constitution to be an ideology, because that's all I've got. I'm not really into "isms", and neither are any of the true atheists that I know, we just like being free people in a free country, even if many of our fellow citizens act like ignorant assholes toward us sometimes.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 25, 2006 08:00 AM (0yYS2)

20 IM, your ideology is called patriotISM. It's a fine ideology.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 25, 2006 10:42 AM (8e/V4)

21 i think it's time for all the christians of the world to have a re-awakening to the true nature of christ.regardless of what the leftist , hippy infiltraters of the church of england would lead us to believe ; christ was not some pioneer woodstock wannabe in a white nighty. lets remember the over looked qoutes ; ' i did not come to bring peace to the world , but a sword.'. ' if you do not have a sword ; sell your cloak and buy one' and he also tells use that if anyone causes others to sin , it would be better to tie a large millstone around the persons neck and drown them in the sea. i think the christian brothers of nigeria are not ashamed of these more uncomfortable and challanging aspects of christs earthly ministry. armed self defence and the execution of thoughs that act as an impediment to the greater peace and as emermies of gods people, is totally justified. god bless the christians of nigeria.

Posted by: josiah at March 04, 2006 10:35 AM (0FZ2t)

22 i think it's time for all the christians of the world to have a re-awakening to the true nature of christ.regardless of what the leftist , hippy infiltraters of the church of england would lead us to believe ; christ was not some pioneer woodstock wannabe in a white nighty. lets remember the over looked qoutes ; ' i did not come to bring peace to the world , but a sword.'. ' if you do not have a sword ; sell your cloak and buy one' and he also tells use that if anyone causes others to sin , it would be better to tie a large millstone around the persons neck and drown them in the sea. i think the christian brothers of nigeria are not ashamed of these more uncomfortable and challanging aspects of christs earthly ministry. armed self defence and the execution of thoughs that act as an impediment to the greater peace and as emermies of gods people, is totally justified. god bless the christians of nigeria.

Posted by: josiah at March 04, 2006 10:35 AM (0FZ2t)

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