The penalty for apostasy in Islam is the death penalty (for those of you in my intro class, 'apostasy' means you leave the faith).
for e-mailing me this and reminding me of the reason why I've had to up the security measures. As a note to my blog friends, yes I've received threats and yes this explains why I've stopped commenting on most other sites.
The rest of the story is below. Commenting on the Dutch PM's PC comment that "Nothing is known about the motive," James Joyner responds: "please, is there really any doubt as to the motive of the murder? "
Indeed.
Filmmaker Theo van Gogh had been threatened after the August airing of the movie "Submission," which he made with a right-wing Dutch politician who had renounced the Islamic faith of her birth. Van Gogh had received police protection after its release.
Dutch national broadcaster NOS and other media reported that Van Gogh's killer shot and stabbed his victim and left a note on his body. NOS said witnesses described the attacker as having an "Arab appearance."
A witness who lives in the neighborhood heard six shots, and saw the man concealing a gun. She said he walked away slowly, spoke to someone at the edge of the park, and then ran.
"He was walking slowly, like he was trying to be cool," she said, describing him as wearing a long beard and Islamic garb. "He was either an Arabic man or someone disguised as a Muslim," she said.
Another witness told Dutch Radio 1 the killer arrived by bicycle and shot Van Gogh as he got out of a car. "He fell backward on the bicycle path and just laid there. The shooter stayed next to him and waited. Waited to make sure he was dead."
The slain filmmaker was the great grandson of the brother of famous Dutch painter Vincent van Gogh, who was also named Theo. In a recent radio interview, Van Gogh dismissed the threats and called the movie "the best protection I could have. It's not something I worry about."
Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende called on the Dutch people to remain calm.
"Nothing is known about the motive," he said in a written statement. "I want to call on everyone not to jump to far-reaching conclusions. The facts must first be carefully weighed so let's allow the investigators to do their jobs."
Balkenende praised Van Gogh as a proponent of free speech who had "outspoken opinions."
"It would be unacceptable if a difference of opinion led to this brutal murder," he said.
Police spokesman Eric Vermeulen said the attacker fled to the nearby East Park, and was arrested after exchanging gunfire with police. Both the suspect and a policeman suffered minor injuries.
"They were conscious" when taken to hospital, Vermeulen said.
Van Gogh's killing immediately rekindled memories of the 2002 assassination of Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn who polarized the nation with his anti-immigration views and was shot to death days before national elections.
In addition to his film, van Gogh also wrote columns about Islam that were published on his Web site, www.theovangogh.nl, and Dutch newspaper Metro.
The short television film "Submission" aired on Dutch television in August, enraged the Muslim community in the Netherlands.
It told the fictional story of a Muslim woman forced into a violent marriage, raped by a relative and brutally punished for adultery.
The English-language film was scripted by a right-wing politician who years ago renounced the Islamic faith of her birth and now refers to herself as an "ex-Muslim."
Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a member of the Dutch parliament, has repeatedly outraged fellow Muslims by criticizing Islamic customs and the failure of Muslim families to adopt Dutch ways.
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when I first started writing for the Arab papers, my husband out of the blue began talking about Danny Pearl and Solomon Rushdie and really didn't want me to publish in Saudi Arabia. I thought he was over reacting. Its a dangerous time to speak the truth.
Posted by: Jane at November 02, 2004 08:28 AM (6krEN)
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What's the big deal? This was just a "nuisance" killing...
Posted by: rocco at November 02, 2004 08:52 AM (ox+PL)
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Rocco. What do you mean it's just a nuisance killing?
Jane, the author you refer to is Salman Rushdie.
Posted by: James at November 02, 2004 09:07 AM (4PPsx)
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Once again, the religion of "peace" asserting itself. The very nature of truth is that truth perpetually exists in peril. If indeed it were a religion of peace, then the truth would be no threat to it. How stupid is the killer of this man. The killer just made this man's work in all likelyhood, more prominent than it ever may have become if this did not happen.
Posted by: Qui Mundus at November 02, 2004 09:13 AM (VVIlB)
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Nuisance is a Kerry reference.
Salman is to Solomon as Peking is to Bejing, a regional mispronunciation.
The big deal here is that we don't react to these Assasinations as the acts of war they are. The Fatwa against Rushdie is a greater threat to Great Britian than the attack on the Falklands. London without writers of Truth is much less than London without faroff, grazing sheep. The only reasonable, fair response is to kill each and every endorser of this war against England.
Posted by: Ripper at November 02, 2004 09:22 AM (L6YIl)
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Ripper......so by that rational, Islam is the true enemy and not just the terrorists? Why bother going to the trouble of "liberating" Iraq given that it is a nation of Muslims?
Posted by: james at November 02, 2004 09:32 AM (4PPsx)
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The rational is that all the killer and terrorists are memebers to that gutter religion that condones the killings of non-muslims.
Posted by: greyroost at November 02, 2004 09:52 AM (CBNGy)
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Not "Islam" -- radical Islam, fundamentalist Islam. I still can't figure out how so many of the same people who so readily and hysterically decry fundamentalist Christianity as truly dangerous seem to have so much difficulty understanding this.
Posted by: Mike at November 02, 2004 09:53 AM (zWnkU)
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This is the future of 'free speech', if we do not wake up to the Islamo-fascist danger that lives with us too, here and now.
From Don McLean's "Starry Nights":
They're not listening, they're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will.
Posted by: Joe Mama at November 02, 2004 09:58 AM (MJxMm)
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The song title should have read: "Vincent".
Starry Nights is the painting referenced in the song, painted by the great-grandfather of poor Theo.
Posted by: Joe mama at November 02, 2004 10:06 AM (MJxMm)
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My point is that some people have great difficulty distinguishing between Islam and Fundamentalist Islam. Fundamentalism, in any shape, guise or form is abhorrent regardless of whether it is Christian or Islamic. However there are people here who's views are as polarised as those of the terrorists and in their short sightedness fail to recognise that. Obviously they are not into beheadings or anything as barbaric as that, rather they would prefer to just, and I quote "turn the sand to glass" Much more civillised, I'm sure.
I despise the terrorists and their methods and for those looking to impose Sharia law on the rest of us. However, I also recognise that some Muslims have legitimate gripes with the west. That does not make me an Islamic sympathiser or a closet supporter. In my humble opinion, the problem could be solved if the Palestineans were granted a viable homeland and the state of Israel told to recognise that it is but one country in this world and by no means the most important.
Posted by: james at November 02, 2004 11:05 AM (4PPsx)
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Right, all those fundamentalist Christians out there blowing people up. Yup. Oh and when the one or two wack jobs do blow up an abortion clinic, that's why fundamentalist Christian TV goes on air and praises them.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 02, 2004 12:12 PM (JQjhA)
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I think you have to have a different perspective on this. Most muslims in the middle east would probably say they see Bush as a fundamentalist Christian (the crusader) blowing up their people, both guilty and innocent. The language he was using before and at the start (and still to this day) of the war would back this up. People on this board who say such things as "Let's nuke'em" and then end their post with "God speed" could from a different perspective be turned into "Lets behead the infidel" and end with "All praises to Allah".
Posted by: LMAO at November 02, 2004 01:06 PM (p5xDI)
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The language he [Bush] was using before and at the start (and still to this day) of the war would back this up.
For instance? Otherwise that's just bullshit.
Posted by: Brian B at November 02, 2004 02:32 PM (CouWh)
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Brian: as requested.
http://www.harpers.org/GeorgeWBush.html
Week of Sep 18 - President Bush warned that this war, this Crusade Against Terrorism, this Operation Noble Eagle, was going to last a long, long time.
Week of Sep 25 - President George W. Bush declared that all the nations of the earth must choose sides in the coming crusade against terrorism, Â…
http://www.marxist.com/MiddleEast/bush_crusades.html
George Bush and the crusades
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=soj0309&article=030910
Bush Adds God
To this aggressive extension of American power in the world, President George W. Bush adds God—and that changes the picture dramatically. It's one thing for a nation to assert its raw dominance in the world; it's quite another to suggest, as this president does, that the success of American military and foreign policy is connected to a religiously inspired "mission," and even that his presidency may be a divine appointment for a time such as this.
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It just goes to show that most ppl don't listen to what Bush is saying, or think how other ppl of different religions interpret it.
Posted by: LMAO at November 02, 2004 03:11 PM (p5xDI)
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Brian, some more if you'd like
Bush puts God on his side.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2921345.stm
With God on our side.
http://www.abc.net.au/programsales/s1194759.htm
Posted by: LMAO at November 02, 2004 03:46 PM (p5xDI)
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Radical Islamic terrorists come from Islam. You can sugar coat it, refuse to understand it, or whatever. It is a religious war. The war is Islam in one form or another against everything other than Islam. The terror will get worse until people understand this. No matter how many terrorists we kill the muslim religion will raise more until they understand how dangerous it is for them.
Most of the people in pre world war two Japan and Germany were good people. However, they produced the killers and their entire nations paid the price for it.
A country is responsible for what happens in that country. A government is responsible for what its people do. People are responsible for their government. A religion is responsible for its members. The members of a religion are responsible for their other members.
When and if Islam accepts this responsibility I will stop saying this is a religious war. But we all know thats not going to happen because what is happening is part of this gutter religion. Islam teaches hate and war on anything not Islamic. It is in their bible, the koran, their silly little rule book that refuses to grow up as civilization does. I am not Christian, Muslim, Jew or any other religion. I refuse to kill anyone in the name of God who is supposed to be all good and merciful. BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! If I kill anyone I want it to be because they fucked with me and these Islamic assholes are fucking with me.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 02, 2004 05:45 PM (CBNGy)
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James, the true enemies are the modern Assasins. Each person who endorses the Fatwa against Rusdie is an deadly enemy of each of us who may write a book or comment as controversial as his.
We must band together to defend America, England and the van Gogh family or we will be picked off alone and defenseless.
Many of us are Muslims, we need to draw a bright line between good and evil. A effective move the good Saudis should undertake would be to execute any Assasins who visit Mecca.
Posted by: Ripper at November 03, 2004 11:27 AM (L6YIl)
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James, It would be hard to consider a 'fundamentalist' Christian who insisted on loving you despite your barbaric behaviour and as a final gesture laid down his life for yours to be as abhorrent as an islamist who proposed your death were you to deny conversion to his religion of servitude, mysogyny and intolerance. Fundamentalist christianity is too perfect and is rarely if ever seen.Fundamentalist Islam is wandering the streets of Holland and getting closer to home.
Posted by: pdm152 at November 03, 2004 05:13 PM (keAes)
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JAMES: Make up your mind. Before it's all Bush's fault. Now its Israels fault. Who's next. you are a closet supporter. Claiming not to be is bullshit. You would love to say you were right. No matter what the cost. Up yours, mate.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2004 05:22 PM (qxfuv)
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i am a muslim form Islamic Republic of Iran.
i got very sorry when i read this sentences.
Islam is not war , Islam is Peace,Pease and Pease .
but when a man(van gogh) befool your mother , what do you want to do ?
calm or angty ?
van gogh is not a critic,
he is a BEFOOLer,
Thank For your time,
with best dishes
Posted by: Ahmad at December 28, 2004 06:40 AM (KFpCS)
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