October 10, 2005
Jesus Under Attack
See California Conservative for the details. I've been so busy I have several things I wanted to blog but the time just is not there. So Sorry CC better late than never.
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"We need to attack Jesus..." - atheist Philip Paulson,
who filed a lawsuit challenging the presence of the cross
on city land in 1989.
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>>>"The city has attempted twice to sell the property to the Mount Soledad Association, but federal courts have overturned the sales because they said the transactions favored a buyer who would preserve the cross."
Wow. Now the activist courts are in the business of discerning people's hearts and motives. That's out of control.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 11:35 AM (8e/V4)
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As serious an issue as this may be, I couldn't help thinking, "Go ahead, Phil, attack Jesus, I think he can take you."
Posted by: Brian B at October 10, 2005 11:39 AM (rGfpg)
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yep not a laughing matter cept how do you attack he in whom you don't believe. If you really don't believe why attack?
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 11:46 AM (D3+20)
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Yes, Carlos, that is one part of the business they are in. These activist judges will do whatever they can to destroy Christianity and whatever tradition might remain in the US. They know that the only way to destroy the US is to destroy the traditions and mores that unite us as a people. The wish to destroy Christianity I don't get, because what will ultimately take its place will utterly destroy the liberals and the Left.
I am mystified by the motivation of the Left. What do they think will be accomplished? It is truly one of the mysteries of this age.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 11:55 AM (rUyw4)
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Jesus,
The Bible speaks of anti-christs, and in my view this Lefties fit the bill to a tee.
The Constitution restricts the GOVERNMENT'S acts and motives, not the people's. That's why that court ruling is so fucked up. It's basically saying that the citizen's motives (the buyer) are improper. The BUYER'S motives are unconstitutional. If he was instead an atheist, the sale coult have gone through! Unbelievable. Could these activistas in black robes be anymore transparent? I think not.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 12:09 PM (8e/V4)
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I just read an interesting (maybe) Instapundit co-analysis of Joe's question, the roots of this by a guy named James C. Bennett: which speaks to me as byproduct of anti-Catholic Protestant elitism:
This is primarily an effect of the Calvinist Puritan roots of American progressivism. Just as Calvinists believed in the centrality of the depravity of man, with the exception of a minuscule contingent of the Elect of God, their secularized descendants believe in the depravity and cursedness of Western civilization, with their own enlightened selves in the role of the Elect.
HTH
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at October 10, 2005 12:12 PM (T85lV)
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Brian took the words out of my mouth. I'd only add that Paulson is being disengenuous. He's attacking a target closer to home.
Keith, while Calvinists and other Reformed thinkers believe in the depravity of man - and who can fault that kind of thinking? 
- they believe that only God can regenerate the heart. This doesn't make them less the sinner; the Holy Spirit works in their life through discipleship in scripture and fellowship toward their sanctification.
It often seems that He's working faster in some of us than in others. Paulson could clearly benefit from a less-stony heart.
To complete your analogy, one must remove a personal God from the equation, putting human wisdom and understanding at the pinnacle. With that sort of equation, it's easy to see how some of us believe we should be in authority over others, like shephards and sheep. Democracy is much more respectful of the individual.
- they believe that only God can regenerate the heart. This doesn't make them less the sinner; the Holy Spirit works in their life through discipleship in scripture and fellowship toward their sanctification.
It often seems that He's working faster in some of us than in others. Paulson could clearly benefit from a less-stony heart.
To complete your analogy, one must remove a personal God from the equation, putting human wisdom and understanding at the pinnacle. With that sort of equation, it's easy to see how some of us believe we should be in authority over others, like shephards and sheep. Democracy is much more respectful of the individual.Posted by: tee bee at October 10, 2005 12:27 PM (q1JHF)
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I don't believe that any government entity should promote or discourage religion in any way whatsoever, but these people are on an anti-crusade, but we shouldn't be surprised, because they're just a bunch of ACLU commies. I'm an atheist, but not like them, not at all; these people make me sick and are traitors to the prinicples of Liberty.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 01:44 PM (0yYS2)
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IM,
you're the kind of atheist I can live with-- that we HAVE lived with since the founding of this country. But these anti-God types are out of control.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 01:54 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos, the sentiments are mutual. I have nothing against Christians, and even think that Christianity is a necessary influence to the development of civil society, I'm just not wild about government involvement in religion. After all, do we want to look to the same government that gave us Amtrak and Social Security for our spiritual guidance?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 02:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Another wretched atheist trying to force himself on us all why should we be allow these jerks to force themselves on us they are your usial selfish self centered soclialists forcing the,selves on us and getting help from the supreume court and its band of idiots
Posted by: sandpiper at October 10, 2005 02:04 PM (U+eLg)
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IM,
the Europeans do. Their churches are state-sponsored. Their pastors are paid by the State. Ironic, no?
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 02:06 PM (8e/V4)
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Fuck it, I'm going to attack Buddha. I'm going to punch that fat bastard right in the nose and wipe that silly smile off his smug little face. Grrrrrr! A little off topic: Type "Failure" into google, then press "I'm feeling lucky" and see what comes up. Hmmmmm...
Posted by: osamabinhiding at October 10, 2005 02:12 PM (Ttija)
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osama,
that's why I don't use google anymore. They can no longer be trusted.
Posted by: Carlos at October 10, 2005 02:13 PM (8e/V4)
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Osama,
So that's where you bin hiding. You're a googlebomber. How cute!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 10, 2005 02:48 PM (rUyw4)
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Yeah, it kind of makes you wonder, eh? Their stock is hyped anyway...
Posted by: osamabinhiding at October 10, 2005 03:42 PM (Ttija)
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Jesus... One man, huge damage to humanity for thousands of years and to the future.
The guy who inspired Muhammed who we all know led his masses to such a sofisticated and peaceful situation they are in today, the guy because of whom the Romano-Catholic church exists, most evil organisation of all times that had entire religions wiped out, peoples hunted to extinction, masses cowed to brainless lemmings and riches looted to it's replacement-of-Jesus-on-earth leader for 15 horrible, bloody, dark centuries.
Therefore I'm suggesting attacking Jesus now is absolutely useless, the Jews should have had him stoned before or right after he made a mess at their temple.
Posted by: A Finn at October 10, 2005 04:53 PM (lGolT)
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they tried but he escaped. they also tried after he healed the blind man on the sabbath but again they could not see him although he was right there. Odd huh? so finn want a copy of John I got one for you too.
Posted by: Howie at October 10, 2005 05:00 PM (D3+20)
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Yes Carlos, it is ironic, but it is also part of why Europeans no longer go to church.
And sandpiper, cut the "wretched atheist" crap. I don't go around saying "wretched Christian" every time a priest molests a little boy, do I? Watch your manners and remember, like I do, that it's acts, not labels, that are important.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 10, 2005 09:26 PM (0yYS2)
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No thanks, Howie, I think I have a bible of some sort somewhere, or at least the New Testament in a little red pocket book (some preachers travel the country giving those to everyone... I've had 3 or so, they always manage to disappear, since they're leather coated and there's a dog in the house). So it was the inefficiency of fundamentalist Jews that allowed Jesus to live and preach on? Guess the J00s can be blamed for everything one way or another....
Posted by: A Finn at October 11, 2005 04:15 AM (cWMi4)
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FWIW, IM, sandpiper, who makes me wonder if there are indeed commentbots, is best overlooked - and I think was just commenting on Paulson, not you. The bots rarely talk to other commenters.
Posted by: tee bee at October 11, 2005 08:58 AM (q1JHF)
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Yes just like fin to be such a pigheaded fool. You woild think he would believe in God since it's a supernatural that some one has not bashed his thick skull in by now.
Posted by: Howie at October 14, 2005 10:02 AM (D3+20)
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JESUS, IS GIVING EVERY MAN, WOMAN, & CHILD "ONE LAST CHANCE". NO MATTER HIS OR HER RACE, RELIGION, OR NATIONALITY; TO REPENT & TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAY; CONFESS JESUS CHRIST, AS LORD AND SAVIOUR. AND DO HIS WILL. mcgdogm
Posted by: mcgdogm at November 28, 2005 02:54 PM (6krEN)
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