October 13, 2004
Iraq's Killing Fields: Mostly Women and Children
Washington Times:
Investigators have unearthed a mass grave in northern Iraq containing hundreds of bodies of women and children believed killed in the 1980s.
"It is my personal opinion that this is a killing field," Greg Kehoe, a U.S. investigator working with the Iraqi Special Tribunal, told reporters in Hatra, south of the city of Mosul.
Nine trenches have been located containing hundreds of bodies believed to be Kurds executed and then bulldozed into trenches during Saddam Hussein's repression of 1987-88.
"Someone used this field on significant occasions over time to take bodies up there, and to take people up there and execute them," Kehoe said.
The body of one woman was found still clutching a baby. The infant had been shot in the back of the head and the woman in the face, the BBC reported.
Iraq's human rights ministry has reportedly identified 40 possible mass graves across the country.
Note to uninformed readers who think the US was a major backer of Iraq in the 1980s:
Imported weapons to Iraq (IRQ) in 1973-2002
Country $MM USD 1990 % Total
USSR 25145 57.26
France 5595 12.74
China 5192 11.82
Czechoslovakia 2880 6.56
Poland 1681 3.83
Brazil 724 1.65
Egypt 568 1.29
Romania 524 1.19
Denmark 226 0.51
Libya 200 0.46
USA 200 0.46
(Source: Parapundit--I have verified these numbers)
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Not being a major supplier of arms to Iraq doesn't mean that the U.S. didn't back Iraq in the 1980s. If that's what you think, it's being pretty narrow-minded. A backer would be one who supported the regime of Saddam Hussein, be it with weapons, financial aid, or other material help. As such, evidence like the $1 billion given to Iraq in 1989 (used to precipitate the arms buildup that led to the first Gulf war), the $500 million guaranteed by Federal Import-Export Bank in 1984 (used to build pipelines), Agriculture Department loan guarantees in 1988 of $1.1 billion - all of these are pretty convincing that the U.S considered Iraq an ally worthy enough to help where it could. This is just some of the support Iraq received from the U.S. (though let's forget about the fact that it's been widely documented that a fair bit of the aid the U.S. gave Iraq was used to buy weapons - from other countries). Again, you don't HAVE to give a country weapons to be supportive.
By the way, all of this is pretty available to the public, so it's not like it's a big secret or anything.
Don't get me wrong, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator and once everything is settled in Iraq, they'll probably be better off for having him gone. But, let's look at ALL the facts when making a point, not just those which seem to fit a theory.
Posted by: Venom at October 13, 2004 12:03 PM (dbxVM)
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Also there is the fact that the $200M you are listing is FMS (Foreign Military Sales), the hardware we gave Saddam from the stacks of weapons and equipment being decommisioned from our arsenal and sold for scrap weight or given for free isnt included in that number.
Posted by: Salamander at October 13, 2004 02:45 PM (D4mP3)
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Saddam unquestionably murdered considerable numbers of people, including many potential secessionists, such as these Kurds.
However, there is nothing to indicate the number is 300 to 400,000, as we were told. Your story is "hundreds", most of the other sites are much smaller again.
And killing secessionists or opponents in a Civil War (eg Saddam in 1991) is entirely acceptable to the rogue nation - their Civil War cost twice as many dead, 650,000, and the perpetrator is a national hero.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1263901,00.html
PM admits graves claim 'untrue'
Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor Sunday July 18, 2004 The Observer
Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
...... It comes amid inflation from an estimate by Human Rights Watch in May 2003 of 290,000 'missing' to the latest claims by the Iraqi Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, that one million are missing.
...... While some sites have contained hundreds of bodies - including a series around the town of Hilla and another near the Saudi border - others have contained no more than a dozen.
Posted by: Tom Rawlinson at January 28, 2005 01:23 AM (uThOQ)
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