1 It may already be too late to act. if anyone doesn't think the attention will turn from "little Satan" to "big Satan" as soon as a inter-continental deliverable warhead is assembled, they're fooling themself. I also saw an article in another person's blog that they may have already tested a EMP weapon.

2 The Israel Firsters are acting like this is a shocking development, and cause for immediate invasion, but considering how Israel has behaved towards its neighbors I find Iran's statements to be merely letting off steam and certainly no worse than the equivilent statements from Israel we have heard over the years. 1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001 2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000 3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982. 4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988 5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983. 6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969. 7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969 8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972. 9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121. 10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget." 11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983. 12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. 13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983. 14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157. 15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978. 16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum" 17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969. 18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. 19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas. 20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5. 21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998. 22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972. 23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry. 24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1] 25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155). 26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate). 27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)

3 Speaking of Iran... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051026/ts_nm/iran_alqaeda_dc By the way, the lumber dispute has been brewing for years. There's no "taking advantage" going on. Rice just happens to be visiting at the same time.

4 That's not what a canadian official said on NPR yesterday. Where is that (rummage rummage)

5 Maybe all the antiwar activists should go to iran and urge them to sit around smoke dope and have a love in maybe they will end up with the heads off

6 Hey greg, why don't you head on over to stormfront.org, you'd fit right in there with all the other Joooooo-haters.

7 Greg, If you want to make a point, ok, but drop all the cut and paste. No one has the time to read all that crap. Just make your point, argue on its merits, and see if anyone agrees or disagrees.

8 Howie, are you sure? The Iranian article you quote said the Iranian president made those comments "Wednesday," as in today. You're saying that the Canadian official made comments on NPR yesterday. So, how could he make comments to "take advantage" of the Iranian presidents comments, when they hadn't even been said yet? Despite how this might read, I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm just saying, like before, I highly doubt Canada is using the Iranian president's comments to "take advantage" of anything. Condi was in town, that's why they're bringing it up with her.

9 Sorry if you misunderstood me. I went over there and rummaged around. Crap. It's quite Ok Venom Good point. However I did hear a Canadian official say they thought they could get a better deal with the US than they could have otherwise with all the other stuff going on. Not taking advantage so to speak but they thought that the time was right to push the US. It got me to thinking about all the distractions with the Plame case Delay so on and so forth. I wonder how many other countries see that and think now is the time we can get away with stuff. Just a thought I had. If you don't agree thats fine. I felt we should consider that maybe we might get all distracted with some issues that while not totally bunk could take away from either the will or the time to effectively deal with bigger issues. I had never thought that another country would consider our internal problems as on opportunity to get a better deal or maybe a good time to get away with stuff. Seemed logical though with a weakened adminstation and a ruling party thats at odds with itelf so I wanted to put that out there for thought. Not so much that one was related to the other but maybe many countries see a crack in our armor due to domsetic squabbles. Like I said it was a new idea to me so I just tossed it in there.

10 I have an arrangement with the local Mohel. The Mohel saves the tissue collected during Bris for me. A big steamy bowl of circum-tips cooked menudo style, Yum, Yum! It's my favorite meal!

11 The best thing about diddling little boys is that once they've been assraped, they grow up to be liberals.

12 Actually, I intended to do a serious comment, but I'm laughing too hard. I got to go get a napkin and clean the computer screen.

13 copy that JJ

14 I wondered where all them damn liberals came from. Thanks for the info, Greg?

15 Actually I was wrong, the best part about cornholing little boys is that it brings back so many fond childhood memories when my uncle would take me fishing. At least I think we were fishing, he always talked about my worm and his rod.

16 It is dam right true that the Jews stole the land from the palastians with the help of the UN and America. It were first the British that were protecting the Jews. Then came WWII and their support shifted more to the Arabs for the need of oil against the Germans. In 1947 all that changed back. America was one of the first to recognize Israel as the first country without officially having any borders. The Arabs were furious. Then came the six-day war, unfortunately for the Arabs and the rest of the world they lost! And up to this day they keep the world hostile! Greedy Jews and stupid Arabs!

17 Gee, Dan, that was a real gem you came up with there. Does Adolph ring a bell? Just curious.

18 I M: Please don't send Greg to stormfront. Those boys are allready riled up enough.

19 Hi Jesus, How is it hanging? I just lay it out how the Arab world is looking at it. And they have a point. I am calling the Arabs stupid for not recognizing the Jews by realizing that they have their history in Palestinia to (or maybe not. depends how well you can dig in it's history to make any solid comment if Abraham didn't make an geologically mistake!). And I am calling the Jews Greedy for taking the opportunity to take more land and enslave the Palestinians until they all wiped out. Hey! Why donÂ’t you give a Adolph ring! He probably has some tips for speeding up the process!!! Dan

20 Quothe Dan: "It is dam right true that the Jews stole the land from the palastians with the help of the UN and America." The Jews bought and paid for land that was deeded, and simply occupied land that wasn't deeded. It is a univeral common law that undeeded land is open to settlement. "It were first the British that were protecting the Jews." Wrong again. There was actually a strong anti-Jewish current in British society and government. "Then came WWII and their support shifted more to the Arabs for the need of oil against the Germans." The British had been in an alliance with the Arabs since WWI. Remember Lawrence of Arabia? "In 1947 all that changed back. America was one of the first to recognize Israel as the first country without officially having any borders. The Arabs were furious." Why were the Arabs furious? "Then came the six-day war, unfortunately for the Arabs and the rest of the world they lost!" Then they shouldn't have started it, should they? "And up to this day they keep the world hostile!" The sole talent the Arabs possess is to foment trouble. "Greedy Jews and stupid Arabs!" If the Jews were so greedy, why didn't they try to take the oil fields when they had the chance? They've only won three wars, defensive war, mind you, against the Arabs, and they could have taken Jordan and parts of Saudi Arabia easily, but they didn't. Go back to Stormfront and continue your fascist circlejerk there.

21 Never heard of Stormfront? Why is it that every time when you have critique about what is happening in the promised land (ahum!) they make you out for a racist? I have some idea why they do this, it is an easy way to change the subject and putt the other in the defensive. Doesn’t work on me! But why would you say that, if the Jews are treating the Palestinians as second-rate people. The fact is that everything that is going on in the Promised Land had an affect on 9/11 – 7/11 – van Gogh – Madrid – Indonesia! You have to give back the land you stole and that includes Jerusalem! Anyway, as we speak Iran is playing political hardball by pointing his finger at the problem. Lets see where this is going. From the land of the windmills Dan

22 Dan, Looks like it will soon be the land of the burqa if most people think the way you do.

23 Ha ha, Don't worry that will wear off eventually! Dan

24 Dan, I don't mean any disrespect, but the radical Muslims(including OBL) say that the driving force behind their movement is to reintroduce the Caliphate. Whether they think that the Caliphate may be in a better position to destroy Israel is a logical conclusion, but the Islamists have complaints that predate the birth of the nation of Israel. The Sunnis want the Caliphate to recapture all the land that was lost to Christian Europe(Spain and much of the Balkans and the old Soviet Union) after it had been conquered by Muslim invaders from 670 through 1700.

25 Those radical Muslims are a total different story to me! I know that they dream of the “green land” And their way of an ideal world just horrors me. I just like to make a point about Israel, in my opinion they pushing the envelope in gaining more territory, and in doing so giving exactly those radicals fuel to rise up even more. It is that Israel is trying to gain more land and nobody is calling them back strongly enough, that means the US and the European union. That is what angers the Muslims! And I can understand that! Dan