October 12, 2004

Chinese Hostages Update: the Gitmo Connection

Three days ago I reported that two Chinese nationals were taken hostage in Pakistan's South Waziristan province--you may recall South Waziristan from such incidents as hiding fleeing al Qaeda leaders and Osama bin Laden's corpse is here. What I did not know was that the leader of the terrorists who had taken the hostages was one of those innocent victims who had been illegally held at Guantanamo Bay until all those great human rights activists and Geneva Convention conscience governments shamed the Bush administration into letting him go.

Get this:"Pakistan officials said the kidnappers were taking orders from [Abdullah] Mehsud, a former inmate of the US military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, who now heads tribesmen fighting alongside al Qaeda fighters in South Waziristan..."

Go check out Simon's post on the subject. He has the goods on Abdullah and some of the other released Gitmo prisoners.

Note to self: Could Abdullah be one of my many Muslim fans?

Posted by: Rusty at 08:43 AM | Comments (11) | Add Comment
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1 Well, perhaps if this chap Abdullah Mehsud had been charged with war crimes and afforded his rights under the Geneva Convention and a conviction imposed, he might not have been freed. I dont have sympathy for the Taliban but declaring them "illegal combatants" and then failing to produce any evidence is pretty scandelous really. Give them their due process, release the innocent and convict the guilty. But releasing some in an ad hoc manner is bound to have detrimental consequences. In addition, incarcerating people and leaving them in a legal limbo does not exude much faith in the judicial system.

Posted by: James at October 12, 2004 08:56 AM (4PPsx)

2 Are you insane? This is WAR,not a freaking court of law. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 12, 2004 08:59 AM (JQjhA)

3 What do you mean "Unbelievable". What wrong with trying them in a court of law? Atleast give them POW status. What's wrong with that? Afraid that it might be cowering to international pressure? Or something to hide? In the event of a US service man or woman facing capture (God forbid) do you not think that they should be granted basic protection under the Geneva Convention? Or do you think that that is some daft bit of left wing legislation?

Posted by: James at October 12, 2004 09:22 AM (4PPsx)

4 In addition, by virtue of giving them POW status, they would not have to be released until the fighting has ceased? Then they could be tried in a court of law.

Posted by: James at October 12, 2004 09:25 AM (4PPsx)

5 No, POWs are not tried. They are detained. If this is a war, then why involve a court of law in any way? Terrorism is not a 'crime', it is an act of War. The key difference being that in a war you are presumed guilty by your very presence on the battlefied---and that means we kill you.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 12, 2004 12:06 PM (JQjhA)

6 James, Show us his uniform. Show us where he took his oath to defend a nation or commission as an officer. Show us his national allegience. When we see those things, then he can have POW status. Until then, he has no rights as a POW and, not being a U.S. citizen, he has no legal standing in a U.S. court outside of our borders.

Posted by: KBiel at October 12, 2004 01:24 PM (KSCkS)

7 Let's try and think about this logically. Firstly, this is a war on terrorism, is it not? Those captured are prisoners, are they not? Therefore if they have been captured whilst at war, they are prisoners of war? I fail to see how you can refute this. Rusty your assertion that one's guilt is established by one's presence on the battlefield is particularly worrying. Why go to the trouble of detaining these men once they have been interrogated? Surely the money spent on their detention could be better employed, so why not "kill" them? Is this really what you are suggesting? If it is, then the world is a darker and gloomier place than I thought. Whether you believe a person is innocent until proven guilty or vice versa, the right to be tried in a court of law should be afforded to everyone. A failure to recognise this makes you no better than your enemy. Whether you use a dulled knife, bullet or noose the killing of a defenceless person in cold blood is murder, even more worrying, if such actions are carried out by a state. Do not lower yourself to the level of your enemy.

Posted by: James at October 13, 2004 02:47 AM (4PPsx)

8 James you America hating piece of shit. American prisoners of war are never, never treated by the so called rules of war. They are nearly always murdered and dragged thru the streets. You want a one way ticket for your terrorists friends. I said you were a piece of shit months ago and you still are.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 15, 2004 10:03 AM (CBNGy)

9 Kbiel: Right on, Right on. That terrorist defender james has no idea.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 15, 2004 10:07 AM (CBNGy)

10 Hi my names Harold, Harold Taylor i remember going to the australian gold feilds in 1883, i think. There where many chinese out to get my gold because i had found a HUGE nugget about 4.5 metres by 7.2 metres long. One of the chinese people nearly killed me. The funny thing is that now we are the best of friends. I hope you get this email and i hope you write back about my amazing journey. yours, Harold Taylor

Posted by: Harold Taylor at May 23, 2005 05:22 AM (jVhdj)

11 I want to thank you again for your kindness in your reply to me about that.

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