November 15, 2004

Body Found: Margaret Hassan / Teresa Borcz Khalifa Feared Dead

This is very sad. Chad at In the Bullpen has some interesting analysis. Let me just add that this is not a slam-dunk identification. The Islamist terrorists who are behind this murder could just as easily have killed an Iraqi woman for dying her hair blonde. In any event it reveals the type of scum we are up against.ABC News:

On Sunday, U.S. Marines found the mutilated body of a Western woman as they searched for militants still holding out in Fallujah. The woman could not be immediately identified, but a British aide worker and a Pole are the only Western women known to have been taken hostage....

Marines also found the disemboweled body of a Western woman wrapped in a blood-soaked blanket on a street in Fallujah. Two foreign women Margaret Hassan, 59, director of CARE international in Iraq, and Teresa Borcz Khalifa, 54, a Polish-born longtime resident of Iraq were abducted last month but the body could not be identified without further tests.

(Images-- Above right olish hostage Teresa Borcz Khalifa in terrorist video. Left: Margaret Hassan pleads for her life after terrorists threaten to behead her.)

ABC (Australia):

“It is a female… missing all four appendages, with a slashed throat and disembowelled, she has been dead for a while but only in this location for a day or two,” said Benjamin Finnell, a hospital apprentice with the Navy Corps, who had inspected the body.
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1 FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goddamn them if it is true! That would be a first...a woman? I'm too enraged to say anymore.

Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 09:49 AM (ptOpl)

2 Disemboweled? What kind of animals are these people. Why the hell are we treating them like people. Missing all four appendages? Are these nuts becoming cannibals?

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 10:09 AM (aavE0)

3 If it's true I hope and pray a video will not released or would not have been taken. Another thing If so called Zarqawi or the ppl responsible for the attricites are captured ( would ( i hope) the soldiers be given the green signal to give them the same treatment what the victims were subjected to ) or would they be given fine treatments like how Saddam is been treated?? Question definitly to be asked.

Posted by: Roopesh at November 15, 2004 10:19 AM (q9wBH)

4 Hate to say it but I did say in a posting weeks ago that I thought Margaret Hassan and the Polish lady were more than likely already dead.These ragheads were too concerned about their own asses to be keeping hostages alive. The Jack the Ripper mode of execution shows you what satanic types we are dealing with here.Those women will have starved and been denied water for god nows how many days or weeks by all accounts. This shows the particular hatred of women in their religion. Women are only vessels to them.Western women not even that!

Posted by: sopotamia at November 15, 2004 10:53 AM (u4yGw)

5 They said the bodies appeared to have been dead a while; makes sense that Zarqawi already had them slaughtered and bolted out of Fallujah before we upped the attacks. Disembowelled? I don't even know what the word means...no, never mind, don't want an explanation. I don't understand how they thought the video of her fainting was considered "too harsh", yet they can do this shit to human beings??? It's worse than what animals do.

Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 11:36 AM (ptOpl)

6 Send them all to ALLAH IN HELL! NUKE THEM ALL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Andre at November 15, 2004 12:01 PM (hD5mx)

7 You wont believe what some of special forces are doing to to these scumbags right now. What I just heard makes me wonder if some of our guys havent completely lost the plot. There was supposed to be a specific plan of action apparently but some of these ragheads heads are so willing to die its changing by the minute.

Posted by: wekno at November 15, 2004 12:08 PM (u4yGw)

8 Ok, I'm sick, more sick than I have ever been. My fiance is now being transfered to Falluj-hell and I'm scared to death. Why is it that we have this hell on earth. What is wrong with these towel heads? I'm in agreeance with "Andre" above, NUKE THEM, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain by this. I'm meeting with some of the Army wives tonight so we can console each other, this just cant go on. I feel like I've got so much to say, yet we are all sick of it. Please let me take this opportunity to wish all our troops a safe ride home. God Bless all of them and thank you for listening. Very scared - Sue

Posted by: Susan at November 15, 2004 02:21 PM (3pOYP)

9 My heart goes out to you, Susan! It is a shame that these lib's will stick up for innocents lost in Iraq, yet have no compassion for our soldiers fighting there, saying it's "Bush's fault" and that they are being misled! Anyone who is against this war, is anti-American, plain and simple. America, love it or get the FUCK OUT. May God be with your beloved, and those of others on this blog. Take care. xo

Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 02:37 PM (ptOpl)

10 I wonder if the degenerate liberal would still blot their panties over these so called "freedom fighters" if they had a lib on their knees in front of a Banner that reads Allau Akbar. Will the lib on his or her knees be understanding while the "freedom fighter" saws his or her head off?

Posted by: OBEDIAH SNOOKS at November 15, 2004 03:08 PM (yBHNA)

11 If this is true, its truly dispicable. I'm surprised this time al-Zarqawi and his ilk, have not video-taped it. I say this because in my view, this is a central feature of the strategy. By using videos that are issued to television stations and scenes recorderd for display on websites. So if Zarqawi or others have murdered these two woman. We must certainly not dance to the depraved tune of the terrorist.

Posted by: karl at November 15, 2004 04:18 PM (PM/BC)

12 I'm sure they were killed before Zarqawi left the area. Why didn't the other insurgents, I wonder?

Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 05:46 PM (ptOpl)

13 These dirty animals WILL rot in hell. I just hope our guys send them there fast.

Posted by: Maureen at November 15, 2004 06:34 PM (ny5O/)

14 Also, I love how these pieces of filth have commited these atrocities, but when you go over to ABC online, their top international story right now is this: Report: US Marine Kills Wounded Iraqi http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=255110

Posted by: Maureen at November 15, 2004 06:53 PM (ny5O/)

15 Amen Maureen, Amen. I know something about this incident but cannot go into it now. Will advise with the real truth soon. Don't believe what MSMBC tells you. If they wish to play games with their wounded and dead the results are their's. Our Marines are hot. Time to settle up. GO MARINES GO: GET SOME: PAY BACK TIME.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 11:25 PM (iWXp3)

16 We just need to get out of that place FAST. Forget being Anti-American if you don't support this war. The place is a mess. Lets just leave them to their own devices and stay the hell away from us.

Posted by: Matt Bing at November 16, 2004 04:31 AM (ccz95)

17 Just thought I'd pass you this little gem from Falujah. U.S. Marine catches sight of Raghead slinklng out of house not 10 yards away from his new defence position. Raghead seen to be rapidly disposing of a rocket propelled grenade. Marine challenges said Raghead who deniles all knowledge. Bush,Blair good! (he says). ''LIke to be able to believe you but I just cant omar!'' (Marine Shoots Raghead clean through the head.) I cant say what I feel about news like this coming back from ordinary Americans like you or eye ecxepting that they are wearing a uniform, putting their life on the line, rightfully fighting for what they believe in.After all those beheading videos nothing shocks me anymore, I have no feelings,or sence of humanity for anyone or anything that is an enemy of the U.S.A

Posted by: wekno at November 16, 2004 07:47 AM (fYqXD)

18 Matt Bing: I hear what you are saying Matt but I dont think that you quite get it.This is some sort of last stand against all those that would have us bowing down to their God and their ways.We are a free people and we want it to stay that way.As much as there is truth in the sufferings of palestinians that have had their homes and land confiscated by Israel we must remember that Israel is the only bulwork holding these fanatics back from spreading out of control in the middle east.If we hit them hard now while we can, they will remember not to fuck with us again.This is the only language these morons understand.Long may there be civilised decent countries such as America that see the evil in our midst and be prepared to fight and protect the freedom that many of us so shamedly take for granted.That freedom must be protected now and for ever, by any means necessary.

Posted by: wekno at November 16, 2004 08:19 AM (fYqXD)

19 Wekno, they are now making such a bigass deal about that soldier that killed an "unarmed Iraqi". They may even press charges against him! What a bunch of shit.

Posted by: Laura at November 16, 2004 09:00 AM (ptOpl)

20 Laura, and you can bet your bottom dollar that if this raghead had managed to somehow regain strength enough to let off a volley in the back of this Marines head, the same idiots would be bleeping on about how we lost another hero today in a stand off in a mosque. Holy shit,what do they want,your damned if you do and damned if you dont for christsakes!Do they want a 'live' Marine hero or a dead one!I cant be dealing with these people that make a big deal about some raghead that was trying to kill one of the good guys in all of this mess getting smoked. wheres the sense in that?I need to go and take a lie down,these idiots are just freaking me out big time.

Posted by: wekno at November 16, 2004 09:37 AM (fYqXD)

21 Just heard there's a video out of Margaret's murder, stated by her husband. God help us...I hope to God they don't show them disemboweling her on camera! Dear God, and they said the other one of her fainting was too graphic to show? What the fuck is wrong with these people? What do they expect to gain from killing a person who'd already been there 30 yrs. and was helping their sorry asses? Fuck Fallujah, Fuck Iraq, fuck all of them. It's time to carpet bomb them all and end it.

Posted by: Laura at November 16, 2004 11:56 AM (ptOpl)

22 If reports comming out of Iraq are correct,this champion of humanity and peace has as a final insult to her lifes work and memory had her body mutilated and then quartered by these unbelievable psycopathic maniacs. It is indeed a sad day when someone that dedicates her wole life to the care of suffering people meets such an appalling end.

Posted by: sopotamia at November 16, 2004 12:23 PM (KdJpi)

23 Now I'm hearing the mutilated body found may not be Hassan's as the body had blonde hair. I'm not doubting Margaret's dead, I just don't think the two are related. What's scaring me is that it could be that of the other lady, Teresa Borcz, who seems to have blonde/grayish hair in the hostage video.

Posted by: Laura at November 16, 2004 02:59 PM (ptOpl)

24 To Laura and the others, if this marine did shoot and kill an unarm wounded combatant, then yes he deserves to be charged and jailed for the crime. It has nothing to do with how shitty the terrorist or insurgents are, which I truly believe that they are. It has all to do with American Soldiers being "AMERICAN" Soldiers. The U.S. did sign the Geneva Convention, and unlike the Japanese or Vietnamese, Americans should at all times strive to live up to OUR standards not some other country's. Americans do not, should not, and will not stand by and watch helpless individuals be butchered. If we just let loose flight after flight of B52's, we could level Iraq back to the stone age with out a lost of life. This could easily be done. But in so doing, we will kill many more innocents then the psychotic assholes who hide behind relegion. That is why Susan's fiance is heading into "Falluj-hell". To show the world how great America is and what we are willing to sacrifice for it.

Posted by: Butch at November 17, 2004 03:36 PM (Gqhi9)

25 Islam is very deceptive! To kill in the name of Alla the way they do is horrific. It is a demonic religion that leads people to Hell, it will fail like all other demonic beliefs. Pray for Israel, they are the choosen ones who will rid these "Donkeys of men" and send them to the depths of thier own evil. Israel will evently use nuclear weapons to protect themselves from the Arab world. The Arabs want one thing, to rid the Jews forever. But God gave that land to them. Arafat the terroist will never be laid to rest in East Jerusalem like he thinks. He belongs in Hell with the rest of his head hunting Arabs.

Posted by: sue at November 17, 2004 03:51 PM (rL0Tr)

26 Butch, so you think the Marine should be CHARGED for a CRIME? And what would that be? Defending himself and his comrades from harm and/or death? It is well known that these terrorists can hide explosives, if they are not armed with a gun, and set up booby traps. Even dead bodies have been set up so that when you go near them, something gets set off. If the Marine turned away, he would have been another dead hero with a gunshot wound to his back or blown to smitherenes. In war, you make split decisions. You are not there to ponder whether or not someone could or may not be an enemy. To do so would result in your death or injury. The others holed up in that mosque were all terrorists or freedom fighters. They weren't civilians. Were the terrorists even remotely threatened when they beheaded Armstrong, Hensley or Bigley? Was Hassan a threat when they shot her in the head? To me, THOSE are the CRIMES, not what our soldiers are doing. Had the event not even be recorded for everyone to judge, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Let the boys do their job.

Posted by: Laura at November 17, 2004 03:55 PM (ptOpl)

27 Laura, the marine did do the right thing, and your right, if he hadn't he would have been comming home in a fresh body bag. Im a Vietnam vet and have seen so called civilians wired with grenades that killed many Americans trying to help them. War is hell and people get killed. The news reporter who ever it was should not have released the information the way he did.....he was not qualified in close combat procedures. 2 women are unaccounted for and brutily murdered. Do you think the Arab press said anything about them....the way they were executed? I'll bet not.....so screw the insurgent he got what he deserved.

Posted by: sue at November 18, 2004 07:23 AM (rL0Tr)

28 I agree - that poor soldier should never be allowed to be dragged through the mud like this. However, for some reason (free speech?? yeah whatever) the media has been given carte blanche to report whatever they want HOWEVER they want. And we all know that the majority of our entertainers and demi-gods in Hollywierd are the bleeding heart liberals who would love nothing more than to find one more way to slur our President. Frankly, the lengths they go to smack of slander and treason, but that's just my opinion. Not only do they present their own agenda and slant the information to suit that agenda, but they announce every move that our guys are going to make! No wonder they didn't find weapons... no wonder the key terrorists weren't found in Fallujah... (**aside** That is something that really cracks me up about these terrorists - their leaders flee and leave their followers behind to "die for the cause"... wouldn't you think that some of these morons would eventually figure out what a raw deal THAT is??) But think back to WW 1 and WW 2 ... hell even in Vietnam - people kept their mouths shut! Codes were used... radio silence was observed... element of suprise is a basic concept here folks. The unfortunate side of this is that we have taken a slide too deep into these loose practices now to be able to go back to the smarter way of operating. Try and keep quiet and suddenly the President is "trying to hide something." I'm sorry, but it is NOT the inherant right of every American to know every last detail of everything. War is ALWAYS on a need to know basis, and frankly a lot of it I don't WANT to know. To the Liberals: Let the President do his job and quit being so arrogant to think you can do it better!! It frightens me to contemplate what would happen if you WERE making the decisions based on such space cases like Michael Moore.... and that's a whole other topic to save for a different day ;o)

Posted by: Lori at November 18, 2004 05:13 PM (mIwX4)

29 I just can't wait to see the video!!!

Posted by: Craig at November 19, 2004 02:11 AM (Jfrfs)

30 The simple fact that they refuse to release or show the video makes one question if it really was Margaret Hassan at all. They had no trouble releasing videos of previous hostages such as Kenneth Bigley, so why now?? My stomach churns up in knots with this horrible sickly feeling which Im sure more readers experience aswell, even people who don't know about this blog. All you have to do is turn on the news, its everywhere. True, we may be in a different country, but still doesn't lessen the pain. Horrible monsters deserve a life of pain and suffering, just flat out killing them wouldn't be a just punishment for what these animals have done.

Posted by: taneil at November 19, 2004 08:54 AM (pkXeN)

31 So Laura and Sue, yes I believe that if he did shoot and kill a wounded combatant that the only threat he was proposing was breathing, yes he should be charge with "Murder". The reason is because he was not defending himself or his fellow soldiers. Our soldiers and marines are trained for combat, I know for I was both a soldier and a marine in the combat arms. I am not saying that they should waltz into a place and believe everything is rosy, but neither should they go in guns blazing if no shots have been fired either. No shots were fire at the time this group of soldier went in either. As for booby traps, well that is a part of war, an ugly part, but once again, our soldiers have been trained. We, the United States, has signed the GC (Geneva Convention). As such, we have certain responsiblities that we must live up. One of these are not to shoot "helpless or captive" combatants. I never said the ones inside the masque were innocent civilians. I said they were wounded combatants, aka the enemy. As for Sue, I both disagree and agree with you. I disagree with the soldier did what he had to do or he would be in a body bag. If the soldier and his fellow soldiers did as they were trained to do, no one should of been placed in a body bag. Now, I do agree that the media, while they should be allow to record the events, they should not be allowed to air anything until the Top Military HQ approves it or until the war is over. (Honestly I think even in criminal and civil cases at home, the media should not be allowed to post anything until after the trial.) Once again, the reason for this is not for the wragheads sorry ass, but because we should hold ourself to a higher standard and we should be responsible for what we do. Otherwise, lets just chunk the GC and kill every non american in the world who are not allied with us. Now to put in my disclaimer, We were not there, and we cant say if he was justified or not. Only those at the scene knows what happen, and the military should investigate the event. If most of the soldiers there believe there was a creditable threat, then slap the soldier on the back and say good job. If not, then slap the soldier in chains and put him in prison.

Posted by: Butch at November 19, 2004 04:54 PM (Gqhi9)

32 Get off it Butch, if you truly were a soldier in combat your understanding of setting standards don't line up with combat reality. I was in the special forces 1966 to 1970 and knew vets that did night recons behind enemy lines for missions they would never be able to share with the likes of you and the media. So what standards are you refering to? You sound more like a bleeding heart media junkie than a combat soldier. Your living in dam dream world. You need to whitness a few Arab executions of innocent men & women. When they start executing kids or babies and selling videos on the streets of Bagdad you might have another view. So I disagree with your setting of standards, there never have been standards in real combat. You would know that if you experienced it like many of us in Vietnam.

Posted by: sue at November 19, 2004 05:51 PM (rL0Tr)

33 Actually Butch is right, i was also a marine and i have a few of my younger cousins there right now fighting for "Our" freedom. Soldiers are trained for the worst scenarios and situations,"We" the americans signed the GC and that is specially more than anything for the safety of our soldiers, we do not abuse, mistreat or torture another human beign, not the enemy, not anyone, if we do how can we complain about the enemy mistreating, abusing or torturing our soldiers? The GC protects our soldiers in the arms of the enemy more than it protects the enemy. The man that was shot and killed was unjustified, that man was already wounded, unarmed and not a threat for the soldiers, if you look closely to the video this men where wounded on the floor and the american soldiers where standing up pointing their guns at them, so how was this wounded man a threat? and even if he did have a gun the soldiers had control of that specific situation and he wasn't pointing any gun or weapon at them, the truth is even at war there are principles specially us being americans and respecting human lives and our laws, something they don't do. So if we act like them why differs us from them?. If you kill someone you should be trial for murder because it wasn't self defense or defending another soldier's life. If some are blind to see this is pretty sad, but then again don't be surprized when that action backfires and hurt the soldiers more, meaning that actions like that makes the enemy more angry and end hurting more innocent people like Margaret just to hurt our goverments. Every human life is valuable and important no matter where they're from or their beleifs and "US" as americans should know this very well. And sue i am sorry to say this but every war is bad and aweful, Vietnam, Iraq, etc...and Butch is right and that doesn't make him a media junky, because many many soldiers think like him or me, and remember something, you are american so learn to respect others way of thinking, because you may have your way of thinking but that doesn't mean you are right, freedom of speech and thinking, learn to respect that and at the end that is why this forums exist so everyone can express their way of thinking. Peace out and God bless you.

Posted by: james at November 20, 2004 03:23 PM (4hJWf)

34 i'm sitting here reading this crap that you're saying, and i'm furios. butch and james need a reality check, how can you disrespect our soldiers like that. you sitting from the comfort of your own home saying there was a crime committed in that mosque. we are fighting a differnent type of war, against monsters with no regard for human life, if a soldier made a decision to save his life and the life of his brothers by killing a waste of human life, then so be it the important thing is those boys are still alive bottom line.

Posted by: bridget at November 20, 2004 04:07 PM (+7VNs)

35 Thanks Bridget, don't worry though I ran into these type people comming home from Nam. I was spit on and called baby killer.....sooooo I'm used to the flak from crap. yes they are disrespectful, but we fight for them to. I say to James and Butch... war is hell and were dealing with a new breed of enemy that would love to have you guys in thier training centers....why don't you join? You have no guts to fight for this country that is obvious from your statements.

Posted by: Boy named sue at November 20, 2004 05:06 PM (8o/Rk)

36 I disagree with you James Every life is not valuable. Hitlers certainly was,nt. I can,t see how that american was supposed to slap chains on that guy and drag him around while in combat. Anyone with a bit of combat knowledge knows that sometimes prisoners of war can not be taken. This was true of the falklands war. But don,t let the secret out or there,ll be a big investigation into that too by those desk sitting do gooders, who live in that fantasy peace world. This war is keeping those physcos off our land for a bit longer.. God knows how many of them are already here!!! I,ll never forget 9/11 it was so horrible. I live in Britian and wonder when it will be our turn. Thanks god for strong leaders. I think about your boys out there as well as our own and my own personal friends.

Posted by: Nic at November 20, 2004 05:46 PM (+7VNs)

37 http://www.vpcenter.org/Videos.htm For those James & Butches who want to see what Islam does to Infidels (which you are)check out the barbaric world of Islam and what our boys are dealing with. "Islam is Satan"

Posted by: Boy named Sue at November 20, 2004 06:35 PM (8o/Rk)

38 These are sick animals that need to be perged from any civilized world. God bless the Jews and pray for Israel

Posted by: Bill at November 20, 2004 08:08 PM (8o/Rk)

39 Long live Israel.......we will live to see the day when the Arabs and thier Islam religion will be nuked off the face of the planet!

Posted by: Bill at November 20, 2004 08:12 PM (8o/Rk)

40 So cross-naming Sue and most of the rest of you, Are you saying we should give up everything that America is suppose to hold dear, and start sinking down to the level of these terrorist. If we do, then we are no better then freaking Hitler or even worse then Hitler, Stalin. And if Hitler and Stalin do not deserve to live, and we down on their level doesnt that mean we may not deserve to live either. (For you mentally challenge that is Hitler = Deserves to Die, We = Hitler, We = Deserve to Die). I would also like to know where you paraniod, blind and hard head individuals get off saying I am disrespecting our troops. All I said is if they do not live up to the GC to the best of their ablities, then they dont deserve the respect, because then they like the boy name sue would want, have become terrorist themselves. I am not so blind that I know some time the GC can not be followed. But every soldier must think seriously about breaking it instead of doing it on a whim. I believe I give more respect to our troops then all of you "Nuke them all and let god sort them out" pysco. I believe our troops are better, both in combat and in morallity, then these wrag heads over in Iraq, and though it would be easier to nuke them all, our troops wont do that because we are better. As for me spitting and calling Cross-naming Sue, a baby killer, you have know Idea what I am about. I believe the Vietnam vets did an outstanding job in Vietnam, and if the crappy politicans would of kept their nose out, could of easily won that war, hell they won every major battle in the war. But I like to inform Sue, that it was not I, but the United States of America, The US Arm Forces that agree to go by the GC. They are the ones who set the freaking stands for our troops to live, fight and maybe die by. And Bridgett, unless if you are cross-namer also, it makes not different what type of war we are fighting. "AMERICA" sign the GC. END OF DISCUSSION. Until we cancel that, all of our troops should try the utmost to follow it. As for my fighting for this country, I have served my time, and I did what I was order to do, and I freaking did it living up to the GC. Now I admit, I did not get to go out and crawl around in the jungle at night, because I was in the artillery, to be more specific, 8" self-propelled. So I did fight for my Country. And I "VOLUNTEERED, which if you were a Vietnam vet, there is a good chance that you did not Sue. As for "ISLAM is SATAN", I say it is not Islam, or muslim, but it is Fanatics that are satan. It is the Fanatic in Muslim, Jews, Christians, that posion this world. The ones that are so full of sht, that they can not see, hear, or listen to different view points. The ones who believe that there is My way or no other, that needs to be getting rid of. The truly goodly people on this earth are those who can agree to disagree and let every one live in peace. But from those on here, I can see that James is the only one can listen to what is being said. And he is right, the more atrocities our troops commit, the worse it is for our forces. Once again I state this is not for love of the freaking wragheads/terrorist, but for the well being of our troops. So Sue and Bridgett, you told me to go join one of their camps, but I never said I support these wragheads. So why dont you go fly to Iraq, strap on 50 - 60 pounds of C-4 or maybe 8 or 12 Claymores, and walk in to the middle of Mosul surrounded by Muslims, and denotate yourself. Both of you stated we should fight them on their own grounds. That we should sink to their level while we are fighting this war. And I tell you what, before you nuke yourselves, send me a picture of you, and I make sure we have some Crusaders cards with your pictures on them made up.

Posted by: Butch at November 22, 2004 10:45 AM (Gqhi9)

41 I never said we should sink to their level. shooting a insurgent who was trying to kill you during combat, and who might still be posing a threat is not sinking to their level, it's making sure one of these bastards doesn't send another one of our boys home in a bag. if we were to sink to their level we would be beheading these people and broadcasting it or disembowing there women because of there beleifs. there is no perfect war, war cannot be fought by the book, split second decisions are made in combat, because life or death can happen in a second. how could somebody sleep at night if this brave soldier went to jail, in this country where child molesters are rapist are set free without serving even half their sentence. but here we would have a true brave american rotting in a cell because he didn't want to take a chance with his fellow brothers lives, and some peice of shit camera man wants his 15 minutes of fame. if by the gc he "broke the rules" then maybe these rules shouldn't apply when it saves our soldiers lives. your comment about us nuking ourselves is both imature and stupid, it simply shows your mentality. we are simply true americans who love this country and stand behind our brave troops risking their lives everyday for freedom.

Posted by: bridget at November 22, 2004 12:39 PM (6krEN)

42 OPEN LETTER TO MARINES By Kevin Sites For one thing, if you read my disclaimer above, you would know that I said I was not there and truly do not know if he comitted a crime. "BUT IF" he did shoot and kill "AN UNARM, WOUNDED, INCAPICATED (that means not moving)" enemy combatant, he does deserve to be tried for murder. I have no problem with a soldiers defending themself. I will even say if the soldier enter the building with the wounded combatant and there were still other active enemy combatants around, the soldier would then also be in his right to neutralize, (aka kill) the combatant because the enemy is still a threat. But if all the enemies are only breathing and bleeding, they do not need to be killed. As for the cameraman, check out the story. Now once again, I am not saying his words are true or not, just that the allegations do merit an investigation by the military. As for me wanting to put a "True brave American" into prison, well "IF" he killed an incapicated enemy, then he was either not brave, (aka he panic), or a true American because he killed a freaking "HELPLESS" enemy. And by breaking the GC, he did not save any freaking bodies lives, because there was no threat, but he did place thousands of Americans in danger by ignoring the GC. If enough of our troops ignore the GC, then not only in this war, but future wars, Americans will no longer be protected by it. And I can see how much you love our country and our troops. You love them as much as a vigilante lynching party loves and cherish the law. It is perfectly okay as long as the law protects you, but have it protect someone you don't like, will throw it away and take the law into you own hands. The Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Willy Buhl, for the battle of Fallujah stated "We're the good guys. We are Americans. We are fighting a gentleman's war here -- because we don't behead people, we don't come down to the same level of the people we're combating. That's a very difficult thing for a young 18-year-old Marine who's been trained to locate, close with and destroy the enemy with fire and "close" "combat". That's a very difficult thing for a 42-year-old lieutenant colonel with 23 years experience in the service who was trained to do the same thing once upon a time, and who now has a thousand-plus men to lead, guide, coach, mentor -- and ensure we remain the good guys and keep the moral high ground." This is what I have been trying to make all of you see. The GC demands that US troops live by this, and by following this and only breaking the GC in the utmost dire situations, can we retain the moral high ground.

Posted by: Butch at November 22, 2004 04:26 PM (Gqhi9)

43 Well said, Bridget. I feel the same way. Fuck the GC, these insurgents aren't playing by any rules. We are not there to mind our manners, it's a war and aren't we there to get the enemy?

Posted by: Laura at November 24, 2004 07:03 PM (ptOpl)

44 By saying Fuck the GC, then this is truly saying you or Bridget really do not give a SH?T about our troops. The reason for this is okay, these assholes in Iraq don't go by the GC, but if we don't then in any future wars no country will. Our troops will never be given the benifit of it. It will then be Fucking Okay to tortue and butcher our POWs not only in Iraq, but any where else in the world. You are saying that if we fuck the GC, then we are no better then the shitty wragheads themself. So if we do, Laura how about sending me your picture to and you can follow Cross-naming Sue and Bridgett and when I put your picture on the Crusader card.

Posted by: Butch at November 29, 2004 04:08 PM (Gqhi9)

45 So did anyone even notice that Teresa Borcz Khalifa was released? She is alive... Let's focus on the positives as they come - leave the namecalling to the liberals. ;o) Have a great day~!

Posted by: Lori at December 01, 2004 04:39 PM (mIwX4)

46 Laura does have a good point, lets everyone give a prayer of thanksgiving for Teresa's release. I also think I read somewhere that the body found did not match the dna of Margret. Lets all pray that this is true also.

Posted by: Butch at December 02, 2004 11:51 AM (Gqhi9)

47 Laura, Bridget, and the "Vet" named Sue: It's pretty obvious that you're all upset, but that hysteria is affecting your judgement. Luckily, the DOD nor the government is run by hysterical, genocidal maniacs that have no control over their emotion. I am not a liberal and I am in favor of the war. But I agree with Butch, who appears to be one of the only clearheaded people here. The GC is there for OUR trooops, it's not just an idealistic standard. If we do not follow the GC, we invite all sorts of misery onto our troops, whether that includes executing POWs or unleashing chemical or biological attacks against us. Butch did not say that anyone was guilty or innocent. That is for the military to decide, not you, not I, definitely not the media. Everyone needs to calm down and realize this. We all have friends in the military and we want to see them all come back alive. You can't make any claims that I can't, so don't tell me that you love America more than I. Sue, I don't believe for one minute that your were in Special Forces in Vietnam. The world is full of posers and I believe you are one of them. Real SF guys don't tell war stories, they don't have anything to prove. I know a lot of them very well, have for years, and they won't even tell me. They won't even bring it up. More likely you're a war-obsessed loner who reads Army manuals in the basement. You may have been a soldier who tried out for SF but was not selected. Most of the posers are either kids or people who weren't selected. At any rate, SF is the QUIET PROFESSIONALS, they don't talk. SF guys are highly educated on foreign cultures, counter-insurgency, and on the legal aspects of war. They are diplomats, teachers -- and yes, soldiers. Sue, yes, I'm calling you a liar. If you still think you're really an SF guy, I invite you to post your creds here: A-Team, Q-School class, and some of them men you served with, I'd be happy to have you authenticated and put this matter to rest.

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