It appears that Iraq's minutemen didn't really care that Marla Ruzicka was in Iraq trying to help civilians affected by the 'Evil Zionist Crusader forces occupation'. Note that she appears to have been killed on the same road that Giuliana Sgrena's car was shot by U.S. tropps.
How would Ruzicka's mother know that her daughter was not the target of the attack? Either she has contacts with the 'insurgents' (which I doubt) or she believed that people like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq wouldn't target a blonde American woman.
Here are some more thoughts on Marla Ruzicka.
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Anyone catch when she attended Evergreen State College?
This "peace activist" equated Republicans with terrorists, and as Rusty alludes to, she only cares about her cause, exposing the relatively few deaths of civilians by U.S. forces while ignoring the herd of IED-equipped elephants in the room. Terrorists have killed far more innocent civilians than coalition forces since major combat operations ended. She lied by omission to cover that up. Her life was disingenuous, her death an example of idealistic cluelessness.
Too bad she never got a chance to be old enough to see past the ignorance of her idealism. Sadly, she is almost certainly not the last America-hating middle class moonbat that will die for a frankly foolish cause.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 18, 2005 09:26 AM (Mjdic)
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On what basis is the claim made that she was documenting only innocents lost to American violence? If, this is correct, than the irony of being killed by the other side should not be lost on anyone. If the claim is true, then this is really a death by friendly fire.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 09:38 AM (jPCiN)
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You guys are dicks plain and simple. Once again going down the "anyone who disagrees with me and mine is a terrorist". You are disgusting. This was an American who died you assholes, not a terrorist.
Posted by: Max at April 18, 2005 09:40 AM (HFKAk)
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Excellent point Defense Guy. Friendly fire is the best way to describe it.
Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at April 18, 2005 09:50 AM (WsZ4F)
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She was a clueless moobat and she reaped her reward.
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 09:52 AM (paKD6)
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Claim that she was targeted and killed by U.S. forces in 3..2..1...
Posted by: Eric J at April 18, 2005 09:58 AM (hrQvk)
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She did die working for what she believed in. That demands a little respect even if you don't agree with her. Plus this is a politcal loss for the insurgency. Makes them look guilty of the same thing they whine about. Fate helps our cause in this case.
Posted by: Howie at April 18, 2005 10:24 AM (D3+20)
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Once again, karma runs over dogma.
Posted by: BobG at April 18, 2005 10:32 AM (kOoql)
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"She was a clueless moobat and she reaped her reward. "-Carlos
Shame on you Carlito. God Bless this well intentioned woman.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 10:35 AM (/+dAV)
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You guys are dicks plain and simple. Once again going down the "anyone who disagrees with me and mine is a terrorist". You are disgusting. This was an American who died you assholes, not a terrorist.
That's funny Max, as I don't recall anyone calling her a terrorist, nor did anyone else. I guess you need work on basic reading comprehension. She did, however, call Republicans terrorists, so I can only assume that you feel she is an asshole and a dick.
DG, I was basing my comments on who she documented based upon Rusty's comments in this post, and similar posts on other sites.
Howie, I can muster only so much respect for someone who bases their beleifs on a lie, and then provides only selective information to support her version of events. She may not be a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer in her heart, but her actions were supportive of terrorism, whether she meant to do that or not.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 18, 2005 10:36 AM (Mjdic)
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This is really weird in an ironic twist of fate sort of way. It's as if she rallied against the war and the military to such an extent that she was targeted by the insurgency itself.
I don't really feel good about what happened. She wasn't taking up arms or riding on an enemy tank (ala Fonda) but she was very outspoken about her views and was frequently damning towards the U.S. policy. Does that make her worthy of death by bombing?
While I won't be mourning her loss too hard I won't be dancing on her grave either. She may have gont to extremes to piss us off she is still a
semi-innocent human being.
Hey Rusty, I just wanted to let you know that I'm all moved into Munuviana and thanks for the thumbs up vote. If you have the time my url has changed from http://americanwarmonger.blogspot.com to http://warmonger.mu.nu
Posted by: Jeremy at April 18, 2005 11:11 AM (farnf)
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Don't disagree she may have been foolish. I just find the piling on in the face of her death a smidgen distasteful.
Posted by: Howie at April 18, 2005 11:12 AM (D3+20)
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I do not believe that she 'got what she deserved', or 'had it coming', and I do not think that her death should be applauded. On the other hand, if she was intentionally not counting the innocents killed by the insurgents/terrorists, then we should not be holding her up as some sort of angel. If she was attempting to get and accurate account of the damage done by all parties, stated as such, then this death is indeed a great tragedy.
CY - I wasn't asking the question of you only, and don't want to single you out in any way. Can anyone verify that she was working only in the interest of the claims made by those seeking to derail a democratic Iraq?
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 11:34 AM (jPCiN)
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>>>"When I pointed out Bush's presiding over the death penalty, they said: no, no, that's justice. They're scary. Maybe they're the ones who should be on the terrorist lists."
Leftists call everybody "terrorist" except the terrorists themselves. Moral relativists can't recognize evil when they see it anymore.
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 11:36 AM (paKD6)
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She may have gont to extremes to piss us off she is still a semi-innocent human being.
Semi-innocent is like a little pregnant. We are defined by our choices and she chose poorly in my opinion. She had an agenda to besmirch our military personnel in a war zone by basically lying. Ironic that she died the way she did but I won't enoble her passing by praising her for doing what she believed in. What she believed in was wrong.
Posted by: dane bramage at April 18, 2005 11:40 AM (Ww5yA)
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US Forces Rape and Torture Female Detainees in Iraq
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=7681
You didn't actually think this would be reported by an American news outlet did you?
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 11:41 AM (/+dAV)
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"You didn't actually think this would be reported by an American news outlet did you?"
There used to be a time when we would require more than hearsay evidence to convict, but sadly there are many who are willing to believe any bad thing that is said about the US.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 11:49 AM (jPCiN)
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Those who believe that all American soldiers are too saintly to rape and torture live in a dream world.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 11:52 AM (/+dAV)
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Those that believe the DoD would give a pass to rape and torture, rather than try them as criminals, are guilty of selective information intake.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 11:56 AM (jPCiN)
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Being a cynic, my first reaction after learning about her terrorist-sympathizing ways (which I suspected when I first saw the story on MSN this morning, but didn't have time to reasearch), was to wonder if perhaps her handlers set her up. I doubt if she would have had anything to do with directly facilitating terrorist activities, but being anti-American as she was, she probably had knowledge of lots of people to whom she could be very valuable as propaganda tool.
I'll bet a dollar she was intentionally targeted so that she could become what she now is; a martyr and leftist poster-child, like Rachel Corrie. By the way, greg, if you get your news at Al-Jazeera, I have a bridge I want to sell you...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 18, 2005 11:57 AM (0yYS2)
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One other thing. Snarky comments do not equal proof of allegations. Failure to understand this will result in continuing losses in national elections.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 11:57 AM (jPCiN)
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Those that believe the DoD didn't make scapegoats out of the enlisted when they were clearly acting on orders from their superiors live in a fantasy world. What a Kangaroo court!
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 12:02 PM (/+dAV)
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>>>"Those who believe that all American soldiers are too saintly to rape and torture live in a dream world."
greg,
it doesn't matter what we believe. All that matters is whether it happenned or not. So far there's no reason to believe it has.
All this reveals is what you WANT to believe, and what we want to believe. That's all.
So why do you want to believe the worst about your country? Some would call that traitorous.
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 12:09 PM (paKD6)
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Well, by all means back up your allegations of misconduct by the higher ups with actual tangible fact. Simply making a claim, even loudly, does not mean you are correct.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 12:11 PM (jPCiN)
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Carlos,
Do you really believe no women were raped at Abu Grabass? Men were sodomized with light sticks and even killed. Are our soldiers all gay and uninterested in women? Congress got to see the second round of Abu Grabass pics that we didn't see. It was said of these pictures by Congressmen that they are 100 times worse than what we've been shown already and include photos of bare-breasted women prisoners and American GIs having sex with female prisoners. War is hell and there are always a few bad apples. But when the President says we aren't required to follow the Geneva Convention and that we are immune from the International Criminal Court you get more than just a few bad apples, you get a green light for sytematic abuse. Fish start smelling at the head and this goes right to the top.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 01:37 PM (/+dAV)
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"...include photos of bare-breasted women prisoners and American GIs having sex with female prisoners."
Do you have a source for this allegation?
"But when the President says we aren't required to follow the Geneva Convention... "
Once again, a source for when the president said this. In addition, I would like you to point out the part of the Geneva convention that we are breaking.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 01:51 PM (jPCiN)
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Greg,
I want one thing: evidence.
Got any beyond your fever dreams? Until you can provide links to something just a wee bit more credible than DU or al Jazeera, don't expect anyone to take you or anything you have to say seriously.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 18, 2005 01:55 PM (Mjdic)
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 02:00 PM (paKD6)
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http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=9044
http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh_children_raped.html
http://www.peacewomen.org/news/Iraq/July04/ordeal.html
4 citations of 6000
I really don't have time to educate you Defense Guy and Yankee Boy
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 02:03 PM (/+dAV)
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US violates Geneva Convention
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/duggan2.html
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 02:12 PM (/+dAV)
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Hey Yankee Boy,
Speaking of evidence, tell me again about all those weapons of mass destruction.
Tell me about the mobile weapons labs.
Tell me about Iraq buying uranium from Niger.
Show me the "evidence".
You bunch of lying war lovin' hucksters.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 02:16 PM (/+dAV)
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, Another one bites the dust.
Greg: The little green men, the little green men, lookout there everywhere. Yes, yes right near the pink elephant.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 02:22 PM (OJsiJ)
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Rooster,
Did you miss Collin Baber? HE'S BACK and on the trail of the BUSHIAN WAR CULT!
You lose.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 02:26 PM (/+dAV)
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 02:27 PM (paKD6)
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Maybe you'd prefer one of the other 5994 sites I googled up.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 02:29 PM (/+dAV)
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Insane Greg is not playing with a full deck. If he used his mind he would be speechless.
This turkey would take a hour to cook minute rice. GET HELP FOOL, GET HELP.
Now your turn to talk about dick sucking, and ass fucking and Nazis and KKK and your normal filthy homo bullshit.
This idiot is out of it. If you told him Christmas was just around the corner he would go looking for it.
Total whack job. Begone liberal, commie, traitor. Begone.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 02:31 PM (OJsiJ)
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Greg, these sites are secondhand reports based on lies. Google away, but you will be led in circles. Most will cite the same sources, such as Il Manifesto or al Jazeera's interviews.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 18, 2005 02:32 PM (JQjhA)
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The problem, with the leo rockwell link, is that it refers to protected people. Do you know what it takes to be considered a protected person under the Geneva Convention greg? I suspect you don't really care, but that could just be my own bias talking.
In addition, I think it's nice that you think you are educating us by throwing out opinion pieces as proof. It is not a waste of time however, as I now know why you think as you do. So thanks.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 02:36 PM (jPCiN)
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Rusty,
I clearly remember US Congressmen who viewed pics that we haven't got to see say things were 100 times worse than what we know. They said the pics involved women. I believe them and think there's a good reason we aren't shown those pics.
The sites I point to are at least as credible as this site.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 02:37 PM (/+dAV)
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Now the lunatic Grey quotes Aljazeera as an information source. Crazy, nutso, stupid. Ban the traitor.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 02:38 PM (OJsiJ)
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Rooster,
Shut your furgina!
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 02:43 PM (/+dAV)
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http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm
Shows pictures of an Iraqi woman being gang raped by US soldiers. Are these pics fakes? I doubt it.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 02:59 PM (/+dAV)
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greg,
The aljazeera.com story is based on a report by Major General Antonio Taguba. MSNBC ran this story about it on May, 2004 reprinting the executive summary (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/). The word "rape" is referenced four times, never in the context of a rape being committed by a US soldier (see below). You should be more careful what you read.
i. (S) Writing “I am a
Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly
raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
e. (U) Threatening male detainees with
rape;
d. (U) Mr. Adel L. Nakhla, a US civilian contract translator was questioned about several detainees accused of
rape.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 18, 2005 03:11 PM (RHG+K)
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From the top of that page:
"(Please Note: Many of the photographs showing the rape of Iraqi women and the sodomization of Iraqi POW's at the Abu Ghraib prison are now at USA pornographic websites pointing to the possibility of collusion between the depraved US soldiers in the pictures and US based Jewish pornographers. Many of these photographs were also freely disseminated to US occupation forces, perhaps to inflame their nefarious desires and to motivate them to strike out against the Iraqi populace in these perverse ways.)"
Greg doubts that they are fake. That should be all you need to know. For those that actually want a different take, try this one.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38335
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 03:13 PM (jPCiN)
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Prison guards wear face paint now?
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 03:16 PM (paKD6)
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OK, let's summarize.
Nothing bad ever happened at Abu Grabass.
Except that lightsticks were used to sodomize prisoners.
BUT not female prisoners because American Soldiers are only interested in molesting men.
American soldiers are like Boy Scouts. They would never rape a woman.
The US Congressmen that stated there is another pool of photos depicting naked Iraqi women lied.
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 03:30 PM (/+dAV)
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"Prison guards wear face paint now?"
Must have something to hide, do pornographists wear masks?
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 03:33 PM (/+dAV)
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If they were hiding they wouldn't be taking pictures.
So why are those prison guards wearing cammo. And how do I know those are American GIs.
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 03:36 PM (paKD6)
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Notice the cammo they're wearing isn't standard Iraq issue either.
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 03:37 PM (paKD6)
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Carlos,
If a fine upstanding church going citizen like yourself celebrates the death of Marla Ruzicka because she was a "clueless moonbat" then it shouldn't surprise us that soldiers trained to kill commit atrocities from time to time.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 03:42 PM (/+dAV)
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greg,
every army commits atrocities from time to time, just like regular folks living civilian lives commit atrocities from time to time.
My only real concern would be if military atrocities were both institutionalized and condoned. You've shown me evidence of neither.
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 03:46 PM (paKD6)
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greg
Don't freak out man. That 'story' was debunked almost as soon as it came out when the actual makers of the pron came out and cried foul. I realize that you don't like being proven wrong, but that's no reason to throw all logic out the window (your list).
We know for a fact that bad stuff happened at Abu Ghraib. We also know for a fact that there have already been some convicted of those crimes. We also know that all of the pictures have not been released. So, you have that to look forward to sometime in the future. I would guess the next time we get some really good news, we will also get more pictures released.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 18, 2005 03:48 PM (jPCiN)
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"I would guess the next time we get some really good news, we will also get more pictures released." DG
That wouldn't surprise me.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 03:51 PM (/+dAV)
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"My only real concern would be if military atrocities were both institutionalized and condoned."-Carlos
Abu Grabass is an institution in which atrocities regularly occured. The atrocities were therefore "institutionalized".
Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, who got a slap on the wrist, had to know what was going on, unless we're just a bunch of Keystone Cops. It was therefore condoned.
Posted by: greg at April 18, 2005 04:01 PM (/+dAV)
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Good luck Greg, hard trying to instill an ounce of reflective insight into the KoolAid krewe- but keep at it.
They just love The Death and will never admit any wrongs. Even if it means denigrating a dead woman who was trying to do a little good in a very tough situation.
Posted by: Max at April 18, 2005 05:13 PM (HFKAk)
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greg,
Naked pyramids and underwear are humiliating, but I wouldn't call them atrocities.
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 05:36 PM (paKD6)
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If we wanted to rebuild Iraq, we could have sent the Peace Corps.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 18, 2005 06:21 PM (FV4oJ)
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Collin,
nice platitude.
The insurgents would slaughter them, like they slaughter all unhardened targets.
Posted by: Carlos at April 18, 2005 07:20 PM (paKD6)
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The pictures were of colon babler and greg the traitor. Straight jacket time. The moonbat is freaking again.
I would definately say that lying about the actions of American men in uniform by an American is traitorism. Nothing else. Greg's lies give aid and comfort to the enemy. A traitor by any definition.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 07:21 PM (OJsiJ)
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My friend Greyrooster,
Any soldier who commits atrocities in uniform must be punished for the crime committed.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 18, 2005 07:52 PM (FV4oJ)
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No, let's sum up. Greg repeats others lies and makes his own. He points to frauds.
The President has never stated that the US didn't not follow the Geneva Convention. That is a lie by Greg. The Bush administration has correctly pointed out that unlawful combatants are not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Convention
by its very own terms. But nonetheless are providing some of its protections to unlawful combatant detainees.
But this fact will not stop Greg from repeating his intention lie.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 18, 2005 08:27 PM (xauGB)
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Then you have the asshole colon babler with any soldier who commits a crime, etc: The problem is no soldier in uniform committed a crime. The assholes out of uniform are committing the crimes.
Greg is an insane liar. Colon babler is a insame commie.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 09:11 PM (OJsiJ)
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One odd thing I noted about the "rape" pictures hosted by aztlan:
The soldiers in the pictures are all wearing green (forest) fatigues. Every single soldier in Iraq I've seen has been wearing tan (desert) fatigues. To me, this is pretty strong evidence that the pictures were not taken in Iraq.
J.
Posted by: Jay Tea at April 19, 2005 04:52 AM (hLBlU)
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Perhaps they are from Bosnia/Tshetshenia. That woman doesn't look Iraqie.
Posted by: A Finn at April 19, 2005 04:57 AM (cWMi4)
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The three legged camel did it. Bush hired them. The three legged camels are attacking poor innocent terrorists and eating their brains with MRE spoons.
Just ask Greg.
If his doctor lets you.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 19, 2005 05:43 AM (K/qjk)
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My friend Greyrooster,
Soldiers who commit crimes MUST be punished. Those who "spray and pray" into crowds or pump "security rounds" into wounded opponents not just dishonor the entire military, they pour gasoline on the burning insurgency. Oderint Dum Metuant doesn't work with 4GW opponents.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 19, 2005 06:12 AM (FV4oJ)
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Let them hate so long as they fear...
Somehow I feel pissed about this. You seem to be assuming Europe, that in most American opinions hates U.S., fears, and for that reason and that reason only doesn't take action.
Posted by: A Finn at April 19, 2005 06:39 AM (cWMi4)
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Pumping security rounds into wounded or fleeing opponents is a pretty good idea. Shooting into crowds used for cover by gunmen is a good idea too.
Posted by: Carlos at April 19, 2005 07:56 AM (paKD6)
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"Naked pyramids and underwear are humiliating, but I wouldn't call them atrocities."-Carlos
I suppose that sodomizing people with light sticks and murdering prisoners is just a sophomoric prank.
Posted by: greg at April 19, 2005 09:06 AM (/+dAV)
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Hey Robin, Show Us Your Tits!
Posted by: greg at April 19, 2005 09:10 AM (/+dAV)
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Not until you stop lying, greg.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 19, 2005 09:46 AM (xauGB)
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Robin,
If I stop lying will you PROMISE to show us your tits?
Posted by: greg at April 19, 2005 09:52 AM (/+dAV)
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Sudan says "abundant" oil found in war torn Darfur
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L18708185.htm
"We have just received confirmation that Osama bin Laden is hiding in the Sudan. We invade tomorrow." -- Official White Horse Souse
Posted by: greg at April 19, 2005 09:54 AM (/+dAV)
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FBI Tells 911 Rescue Worker To 'Shut Up' Over Finding Airplane 'Black Boxes'
http://www.rense.com/general64/fbi.htm
A 911 rescue worker said this week he was told by FBI agents to "keep his mouth shut" about one of the "black boxes" found at ground zero, contradicting the official story that none of the flight and cockpit data recorders were ever recovered in the WTC wreckage.
The recorder would reveal that there were no A-rabs on either flight.
Posted by: greg at April 19, 2005 10:29 AM (/+dAV)
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quoting rense is like quoting Baghdad Bob.
Posted by: Carlos at April 19, 2005 11:17 AM (paKD6)
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I suppose that sodomizing people with light sticks and murdering prisoners is just a sophomoric prank.
greg,
they didn't punish those GIs for nothing.
But like I said, no atrocities that I can see.
Posted by: Carlos at April 19, 2005 11:20 AM (paKD6)
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Every attempt made to paint the US as bad, and not one harsh word for the actual murdering terrorist scum. Some people have no shame.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 19, 2005 12:08 PM (jPCiN)
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I'm with Defense Guy on that. The entire point is being manipulated by the same group of asses. The point is that the people who killed this moonbat are scum. Nothing more. Bush didn't do it. America didn't do it. The Islamofacists and their facilitators did it.
Grey is insane. As much an enemy as any muslim terrorist. No Arabs on the planes. Fucking insane.
Rusty: You're nuts for having these leftist, lying, insane, America haters on your blog.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 19, 2005 07:51 PM (K/qjk)
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Terrorists must pay the price - period.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 19, 2005 10:47 PM (FV4oJ)
Posted by: Carlos at April 20, 2005 07:36 AM (tFXpR)
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"quoting rense is like quoting Baghdad Bob"--Carlos
WRONG!
http://www.rense.com/general64/fbi.htm
The flight recorder boxes have been recovered but the government is hiding the contents becuase they would reveal that they're were no A-rabs on the planes.
What evidence is there that there were A-rabs on the planes?
Posted by: greg at April 20, 2005 08:35 AM (/+dAV)
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greg,
black boxes don't record the ethinicity of the plane's passengers. Shows how dumb these conspiracy theories are.
Posted by: Carlos at April 20, 2005 08:45 AM (tFXpR)
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"black boxes don't record the ethinicity of the plane's passengers."-Carlos
They record languages being spoken.. Guess what...not one "Allah Ahkbar" or we would have been provided the tapes. No A-rabs!
The flight manifests record the identity of the passengers. Oops, no A-rab names!
Google "Global Hawk". Is that why the one plane in which the passengers revolted was shot down?
Posted by: greg at April 20, 2005 09:38 AM (/+dAV)
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>>>"The flight manifests record the identity of the passengers. Oops, no A-rab names!"
Conspiracy theorists are notoriously sloppy in their thinking and logic. They assert either A) "facts" that aren't facts at all, or B) they assert facts that don't logically support their conclusions. They also need us to believe C) the cabal is simultaneosly cunning and stupid at the same time. Occam's razor to the conspiracy theorist is like garlic to a vampire.
Here we have a perfect example of A) and C). Facts that aren't facts at all, and an example of how simultaneously schoopid and brilliant the cabal is.
A): I've seen the alleged "flight manifest", and it turns out the nutty conspiracy theorists have confused a list of victims for a "flight manifest". Sloppy. "Facts" that aren't facts. Newsflash! The authorities aren't going to put the terrorists on a victims list for obvious reasons. So show me the actual flight manifest if you can, and then try to prove your case instead of just passing on conspiracy theory disinformation.
C): Re black boxes, they haven't found any. And it would have been just as simple to create fake Arabs on the voice recorders as it was to supposedly dissapear the boxes. But they were too schtoooopid to make fake arab voices on a black box, instead they let some lady spout off at the mouth about men in black suits stealing the black boxes from her. Why didn't they kill her? Why is she even alive to tell the world about the black boxes? Answer: because the cabal is too schootid to silence her, or too schtoopid to fake arab voices on the black boxes. But they're brilliant too!
Posted by: Carlos at April 20, 2005 10:12 AM (tFXpR)
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Not to mention the cabal was too schoopid to include A-rab names on the "flight manifest". But they're brilliant too!
Moronic
Posted by: Carlos at April 20, 2005 10:22 AM (tFXpR)
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1)“The FBI has said that the identities of some of its list of 19 hijackers behind last week's devastating attacks are in doubt.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1553754.stm
The FBI has no idea who was on those flights and neither do we.
2) “It should be noted that attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way.”
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
The FBI has no idea who was on those flights and neiither do we.
3)” Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
The FBI has no idea who was on those flights and neither do we.
4) “'Suicide hijacker' is an airline pilot alive and well in Jeddah” requires subscription
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=94438
The FBI has no idea who was on those flights and neither do we.
The A-rab story is schoopid.
Posted by: greg at April 20, 2005 10:57 AM (/+dAV)
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Latest booga booga
“Recurrent intelligence reports say al Qaeda terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi has obtained a nuclear device or is preparing a radiological explosive -- or dirty bomb -- for an attack, according to U.S. officials, who also say analysts are unable to gauge the reliability of the information's sources.”
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050419-102106-5456r.htm
Okay, so "Al Qaeda" (nudge nudge wink wink) has trotted down to Dimona (where else would they get a nuke) and is going to set it off inside the US leaving a note saying "We're Iranians (honest) come and GET us!"
If you look at the current situation, it should be clear that Bush is not going to get America to go along with another invasion with just spin. Attempts to link OK City to Iran these last few days did not get any traction. Bush and the Neocons have cried wolf so often nobody is listening any more, and after the WMD fiasco in Iraq, nobody is taking claims of Iran's 'nookular' weapons seriously.
So, for Bush to obey Sharon and invade Iran will take a real event, another 9-11 "terrorist" (nudge nudge wink wink) attack, only worse, something that leaves no evidence of itself behind to challenge the official story, and at the same time "proves" those mean ol' Aye-rahbs have 'nookular' weapons.
Posted by: greg at April 20, 2005 11:36 AM (/+dAV)
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>>>"Okay, so "Al Qaeda" (nudge nudge wink wink) has trotted down to Dimona (where else would they get a nuke) and is going to set it off inside the US leaving a note saying "We're Iranians (honest) come and GET us!"
A pretty good example of how conspiracy theories are developed.
Arrive at the conclusion first, then seek out the "facts" that will "prove" it.
Posted by: Carlos at April 20, 2005 11:51 AM (tFXpR)
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Carlos,
What is the proof that it was the Aye-rhabs on 9-11?
“It should be noted that attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way.”
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
This is from the mouth of the FBI.
Talking about "conspiracy theories", the Aye-rhab story is a whopper! But it served the purpose as stated by the PNAC.
Posted by: greg at April 20, 2005 12:05 PM (/+dAV)
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Carlos
Welcome to the disease of leftist thinking. The sad part is that the current crop is shitting all over what should be a good legacy.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 20, 2005 12:05 PM (jPCiN)
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Defense Guy,
Your disease is that you can't recognize evidence if it bit you ON the ass.
“It should be noted that attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way.”
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
The FBI admitted that they don't know who the ''hijackers" are. Period. Wake up and smell your underwear.
Posted by: greg at April 20, 2005 01:27 PM (/+dAV)
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A nut. This idiot is way past playing with a full deck. Time wasted on traitorous liars is just that. Wasted time.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 20, 2005 02:47 PM (aq8Ok)
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Carlos + Defense Guy,
You've got nothing.
1)“The FBI has said that the identities of some of its list of 19 hijackers behind last week's devastating attacks are in doubt.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1553754.stm
The FBI has no idea who was on those flights and neither do we.
2) “It should be noted that attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way.”
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
The FBI has no idea who was on those flights and neiither do we.
3)” Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
The FBI has no idea who was on those flights and neither do we.
4) “'Suicide hijacker' is an airline pilot alive and well in Jeddah” requires subscription
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=94438
The FBI has no idea who was on those flights and neither do we.
Posted by: greg at April 20, 2005 02:52 PM (/+dAV)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 20, 2005 03:19 PM (aq8Ok)
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Don't forget that there was an ex Sayerat Metkal on one of those planes.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 20, 2005 06:43 PM (FV4oJ)
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Yes, Daniel Lewin was his name.
The FIRST memo from American Airlines regarding flight 11 has Lewin being SHOT by a "hijacker". Boxcutters is one thing but getting a gun on the plane screams inside job.
Posted by: greg at April 21, 2005 08:35 AM (/+dAV)
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Greg,
Kennedy is still alive! Run along and Google it. I'm sure there's plenty of info out there to support it.
It should be noted that your FBI link is from 9/27/01.
Your BBC links are from 9/23/01
How convenient that the Independent link is for paid subscriptions only. And let me also mention that it was written by the contemptible Robert Fisk.
You're going to have to do a lot better than that.
Inside job? As lax as our airport security was, I wouldn't be surprised if a gun made it on a plane. However, the account they're using for that entire episode on flight 11 was from a very distraught woman talking to a very distraught person on a cell phone during a highjacking. I'm also not surprised at any "discrepancies" in the story as a result. You, on the other hand, accept it as gospel and blindly follow the conspiratorial path of all too many people. It must be getting crowded in la-la land.
Posted by: Oyster at April 21, 2005 10:54 PM (YudAC)
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Why is Robert Fisk comtemptable?
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 22, 2005 03:45 AM (FV4oJ)
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I see greg and colon Babeler: Both enemies of America continue their insane retoric. I wonder who pays them? Neither possesses the ability to work for a living. Could you imagine spending a day with either of these two freaks in the work place?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 22, 2005 07:01 AM (CBNGy)
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I first discovered Fisk back in '01 when he quoted the Iraqi Information Minister as a source. I knew I'd be watching him from that point on. His selective reporting is so fraught with lies (which he never retracts after the truth is revealed) I find him amusing and contemptible at the same time. He's more of a fiction writer than a journalist. His fellow journalists in London have even condemned him publicly. His coverage of Israel is just as bad. I'm not going to go into any more detail. If someone likes his reporting, fine. To each his own. But, "reporters" should be "reporting" not recirculating old rumors and flat out making things up. I have more respect for a reporter who is against the war, yet, manages to keep their bias to a minimum and actually report.
Posted by: Oyster at April 22, 2005 07:49 AM (YudAC)
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"It should be noted that your FBI link is from 9/27/01."-Oyster
That's right Oyster,, a full 2 weeks after the FBI named 19 men as suspects they admitted that ...
“It should be noted that attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way.”
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
They never confirmed shit. The "it was the A-rabs" story was just too juicy to dismiss.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 08:51 AM (/+dAV)
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Dang! Two weeks? Greg, dude, you're lost aren't you? Give me something new, fresh and concise. Or did you cease to hear anything at all for the last 3 1/2 years? It's like those people who still wear mullets. They didn't realize the world moved on.
Posted by: Oyster at April 22, 2005 09:20 PM (YudAC)
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Those who coordinated that car bomb must be punished.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 23, 2005 04:59 AM (fufbw)
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She was indeed a clueless idealist. These type of people should not be yelled at or argued with and definitely should not even try to argue with. As Rush says...they should only be IGNORED.
Thank god he won!
Posted by: marc at April 26, 2005 12:54 PM (6krEN)
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Another useless liberal gone. Too bad she wasn't driving a bus load of them.
Posted by: Brian Schmidt at August 01, 2005 10:56 AM (kZVsz)
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