September 21, 2004

American Hostage Jack Hensley Beheaded

Critical UPDATE 9/22: Video released of Jack Hensley's beheading by sick bastard terrorists. Links to video and images from video can be found here.

Critical Updates 9/22: Jack Hensley's body found (via JQuinton).

For original post, please scroll down past updates section.

UPDATE: 10/02: For the latest information, links to video, and images on hostages in Iraq please check the main page by CLICKING HERE.

Here is a list of all the victims of Islamic Beheadings since late July this year.

10/02 Iraqi Victim Barie Nafie Dawoud Ibrahim Beheading Video and Images Here
9/22 American Hostage Jack Hensley Beheading Video and Images Here
9/20 American Hostage Eugene Armstrong Beheaded on Video Here
9/13 Turkish Hostage Beheaded on Video Here
9/08 Three Muslim 'Informants' Beheaded by the Religion of Irony
8/31 12 Nepalese Hostages Killed, 1 Beheaded Here
8/26 Italian Hostage Enzo Baldoni Murdered Here
8/25 Alleged CIA Agent Beheaded in Video Here
8/13 Another Alleged CIA Agent Beheaded on Video Here
8/11 CIA Agent Executed: Another Beheading Video
8/09 Another Bulgarian Beheading Video
8/02 Turkish Hostage Murdered
7/28 Bulgarian Beheading Video
7/27 Kashmir Rebels Bomb Hospital, Behead Three
7/27 Paul Johnson Beheading Video and Images Here
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NEIN reports:

Zarqawi's group announces "slaughter" of second American hostage. A message posted moments ago on the Ansar message board announced the murder of American hostage Jack Hensley. The posting was made by the same individual who posted yesterday's announcement of Armstrong's murder, and who has a history of posting announcements from Zarqawi's Tawhid wa Jihad group.

The announcement indicated that photos and a video would be forthcoming shortly.

Expect updates.

UPDATE 2:32 EDT: Fox News confirms breaking news.

UPDATE 2:40 EDT: Al Jazeera website reporting "more soon"

UPDATE 2:47 EDT: AP via Chad

“The nation’s zealous children slaughtered the second American hostage … after the end of the deadline,” said the statement, posted under the pseudonym Abu Maysara al-Iraqi, who has posted past statements in the group’s name.

UPDATE 4:33 EDT: Al Jazeera now reporting, but it wouldn't be al Jazeera if they didn't blame it somehow on Tony Blair:

"The sons of our nation have slit the throat of the second American hostage after the deadline passed and we will provide you with pictures soon," said the contributor, who goes by the pseudonym Abu Maisarah al-Iraqi.....

BigleyÂ’s brother spoke to Aljazeera.net immediately following Hensley's reported "execution" condemning British Prime Minister Tony Blair for his policy in Iraq and urging mercy for his brother.

“I utterly condemn the UK stance on foreign policy. Blair is a bully,” Paul Bigley said. “The second captive has been executed. Ken is next. Ken is a good guy.”

Don't all you trolls who have been posting on my site feel better now that you know you hold the exact same opinion about Bush and Blair that the terrorists do?

Critical UPDATE 3:29 EDT: Zarqawi's website now confirms Hensley's death. Is there a reader who can translate Arabic?

UPDATE 3:40 EDT: Here is a picture of the announcement on the website. (Click image for larger view)

UPDATE 4:44 EDT: Reader Keith provides the following rough translation:"(In black)It is done. {lengthy Koran quote }

(In red)For Immediate Release - (Koranic date followed by western date)

Praise God

We have beheaded the second American hostage after the expiration of the deadline.. And we will release film footage soon, God willing..And we will execute the British hostage unless the British government pulls out unconditionally..(???!! ???!! Somthing about female Muslims)
??? "Bush" ??? "Blair" God is Great... God bless and protect Muslims"

UPDATE 8:39 PM CDT: The video has not been posted yet. The way these things usually work is that a member of Zarqawi's group posts a message to an Islamic bulletin board stating the video will be released soon. Sometimes a link to a free web host is posted to the bulletin board later that day hosting the video. Other times Zarqawi's group posts it to their own website. NEIN reports that this time the host of the Islamic bulletin board, Ansarnet, took down the original post and it seems they've banned the poster of the message Irhabi 007 (Terrorist 007) from the board. Why did they ban him? Nope, not because he is a terrorist scumbag. He was banned after he insisted that we kufr pay him to download the video!

I should expect the video to be up at Zarqawi's site tomorrow morning some time. I will try keep everyone up to date.

Hat tip: Cindy

Also blogging: check out 'fatwas' issued below

Posted by: Rusty at 01:24 PM | Comments (140) | Add Comment
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1 "More soon", bastards! You know they're not refering to news, but to hostages when they say that.

Posted by: Digger at September 21, 2004 01:43 PM (FYEx6)

2 And Kerry is wasting my time by blathering on tv about the war in Iraq and Bush ....... again!! Why is someone out there trying to assassinate President Bush when they have this perfectly good assole to shoot instead??? Of course, I muted him, but that doesn't mean I don't know what he is saying. AARRRRGHHHHH!!! The President can't go to war without the vote of Congress!!! Fox keeps putting certain lines he's saying under the alert. Get him off my tv screen!!! I hate that man. Somebody just lost a son, a father, a brother, an uncle, a friend and I want to listen to Kerry rant and rave? HELL NO Cindy

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 21, 2004 01:59 PM (D39Vm)

3 I hear ya Cindy. Finally he ended his ranting and raving. Now we have to hear 2 hours of commentary from both sides of the aisle, I'm sure, about his lame comments. Meanwhile we have a fellow citizen who has just been killed

Posted by: Digger at September 21, 2004 02:11 PM (FYEx6)

4 This is bullshit. i cant belive what is happening to these inocent people. I never imagimed how crull others could be. Let this be a lesson to us on how good we have it. And may God with with all of those over seas.

Posted by: Mission Possible at September 21, 2004 02:22 PM (wFB+Q)

5 This is bullshit. i cant belive what is happening to these innocent people. I never imagimed how crull others could be. Let this be a lesson to us on how good we have it. And may God with with all of those over seas.

Posted by: Mission Possible at September 21, 2004 02:23 PM (wFB+Q)

6 How good we have it? We are in the middle of an election with two parties who only care about their political kickbacks while our old are jilped out of their pensions by chem-bio firms overcharging and the government is waging an anti drug war against our senior's, 1/3 of the population is one paycheck away from poverty ... We dont have it any better than anyone else. The risks of working in the defense industry is the fact that one night you might have to get onto the company plane and leave a country while the country implodes with all your local employees there. All of us who serve with those companies know the risks ... we take them into consideration for getting a better future for our families.

Posted by: Salamander at September 21, 2004 02:35 PM (W2YA6)

7 I'm with you Digger. Salamander, remember what Rusty said to you yesterday? Why don't you go do just that... ie Democratic Underground ... where you'd be more welcome. ~Cindy

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 21, 2004 02:39 PM (D39Vm)

8 I am glad that this site exists so that the people who want to see reality can. I also want to put my 2 cents in as far as the War on Iraqi goes.... Some folks are blaming BUSH for this war... At some point most of them FORGOT that it was those same terrorist that came from Iraqi to the USA and killed innocent people in New York and PA. So, what's the plan for that say "Oh please don't do that again"? As far as the people of Iraqi, the ones that wanted freedom but couldn't do it for themselves are helping with US Troops trying to put their country back together. Yes, I agree with most of you on how much we spend to rebuild. We have our OWN issues here in the US that have to be dealt with. I could on for days on this..... grrrrr I have a bumper sticker that I PROUDLY ride around with.... Support The War, Shoot a Protester. And in Closing YES, I do support President BUSH... Andrea

Posted by: Andrea at September 21, 2004 02:58 PM (Pbs6a)

9 Cindy, Kerry just assaulted the war in Iraq saying it's a "quagmire" and that we are losing etc. The same old rhetoric that will defeat our troops and lower our morale.

Posted by: Chad Evans at September 21, 2004 02:59 PM (+KYyY)

10 I know, chad. ~C

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 21, 2004 03:02 PM (D39Vm)

11 Everyone seems to be acting like this is a 21st century problem. Do we all realize that this has been going on for decades? Before these militants were beheading Americans because of Bush's military in Iraq, they had other excuses, long before his daddy was our President even. Americans represent the ememy of a militant group that has been bred to kill their enemy at all costs. This didn't start 9/11/01, no way. And I don't see how it will ever, ever, end. We might subdue one group in this part of the world, only to have another one take the lead in another part of the world. Heck, we can't even get along in our own country, let alone around the world. Have you ever pondered the rediculous sense of the "God bless our troops" stickers? If there is a God, why would he bless OUR troops, and not the other side's troups?

Posted by: DB at September 21, 2004 03:05 PM (vQTt9)

12 Andrea, LOVE YOU BUMPER STICKER!!!! And I too, also support Bush all the way. ~C

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 21, 2004 03:07 PM (D39Vm)

13 "They" didnt come from Iraq ... "They" came from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, ETC, with two of the jackasses having crossed through Iraq and Iran to track a different path into the country. i.e. "Not to attract attention" to their movements. As to posting ... well unfortunatly some people in the world have a moron habit called thinking for themselves ... you know things that sheep dont do ... develop thoughts for themselves and not spew back ideas like what Anti-American's like Sen. McCarthy wanted "Good little Americans to do". Being Anti-Policy doesnt mean being Anti-Troops or soldiers ... it means being against the idea not the implementing tool.

Posted by: Salamander at September 21, 2004 03:12 PM (V40IZ)

14 I emailed you broken angel I hope ya didnt mind.... and Thank you.

Posted by: Andrea at September 21, 2004 03:16 PM (Pbs6a)

15 Yep DB, The same people saying "it's because we're there" forget to mention things like the Bali nightclub bombing and numerous other incidents happened well before the Iraq war.

Posted by: Digger at September 21, 2004 03:17 PM (FYEx6)

16 So, Salamander, you're saying these beheading terrorists are "home grown" Iraqi's? No, they are not, they ARE al-Qaeda, the same bastards that commited the Sept. 11th attack. You should read they posts, think and then make your comments. Not just spout the liberal talking point of "Iraq didn't commit Sept. 11th"

Posted by: Digger at September 21, 2004 03:25 PM (FYEx6)

17 Ok... my arabic is REALLY rusty and any native speaker feel free to fill in my (extensive) gaps and paraphrasing... but here's the gist. ------------------------------------------- (In black)It is done. {lengthy Koran quote } (In red)For Immediate Release - (Koranic date followed by western date) Praise God We have beheaded the second American hostage after the expiration of the deadline.. And we will release film footage soon, God willing.. And we will execute the British hostage unless the British government pulls out unconditionally.. (???!! ???!! Somthing about female Muslims) ??? "Bush" ??? "Blair" God is Great... God bless and protect Muslims -------------------------------------------- Like I said, rusty, but the intent is pretty clear to me.

Posted by: Kieth at September 21, 2004 03:34 PM (Rv8ca)

18 WE should have cut loose on one of their cities when they murdered the Turkish and Nepalese hostages. That's okay, as long as they get it handled now.

Posted by: dick at September 21, 2004 03:37 PM (kuXgU)

19 Hey, Rusty, I'm not a "troll." ick!!! :-) I know you didn't mean me. I still say go underground over there, plant nukes in stragic places and get rid of the Taji highway, Mecca, Jerusalem, Bethlehem and the entire middle east muslim terrorists. I stand behind our country, our President, our troops and I will stand behind the Iraqi people as long as they stand up and start doing something about these assoles who are trying to destroy their country and their chances. If not, nuke them, too. ~C

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 21, 2004 04:35 PM (D39Vm)

20 I find it ironic that these islamic bastards use the date 2004/9/21. That represents the Christian calander. So much for seven virgins and all that bullshit uh? It just goes to show that all muslums are confussed pieces of garbage. They all feel the same way, and I can bet the muslim american community gets great joy from watching footage like this. I support Bush 100%, but I am starting to question this war. Not that I don't support it, I do, but we need to fight this like a damn war and a football game. If the bastards hide in mosques, blow the fuckers up. Fuck their holyland, the WTC was sacred, now its time to put an end to this war and all the islamic followers that want to cause us harm. Kerry keeps saying this war cost 200 billion dollars and its overpriced, well I agree. It cost about 6.5 million dollars to develop, manufacture, and launch a nuclear missle. Wow what a savings! FUCK YOU ISLAMIC BASTARDS, I'M NOT BEING RACISTS, FUCK ALL YOU!!! FUCK MUHHOMAD, & FUCK ALLAH.

Posted by: Jody Mullins at September 21, 2004 04:37 PM (IaGTQ)

21 I can't believe what I'm reading on here, Who Died and left Bush God ? And what ever happen to Bin Ladden? The other one who thinks he is God, Bush can't even take care of his own country what makes you think he can handle a crazy one like Iraq! You don't take and invade a country just to justify what happen to us, you need to find the loop holes of how it happen and make it right. Now we are seeing ours boys and husband's getting killed like bugs for what?? Bush! I'm sorry to tell you people but God will handle his own people, that's not our job, we just need to focus on what we have and how to keep it "Peace", and this is not the way. Iraq has been this way for century's or more and I don't think they will change just cause their number one enemy wants them to. You can't change a place like Iraq in one year or even two, it's going to be another century before that will happen. So where does that leave us "USA" I see Civil War, but who am I to say. HEll let Bush go to Iraq and be their new President if he wants to be one so bad.

Posted by: Patty at September 21, 2004 04:49 PM (/Q/8p)

22 They would mail him back.

Posted by: Salamander at September 21, 2004 04:54 PM (V40IZ)

23 your probably right !!

Posted by: Patty at September 21, 2004 04:56 PM (/Q/8p)

24 If I have a problem with the way this War is going forth it's this: (1) We need to arm our Civilian Workers anywhere in the War areas, any Civilian who works in a combat zone un-armed is a Fool, that's right, a Fool. They need to demand that they be armed. DEMAND IT. (2) I say fighting a war carefully is foolish and down right stupid. Flatten the Joint, Flatten it now! That's the only way to bring our troops home and keep them safe. The terrorist coward cockroaches whom prey on the innocent and defenceless will not surrender, but neither will The United States of America. To hell with Political Correctness. They're gonna say what they're gonna say no matter what. These Muslims are a cancer within' the body of so many countries now, including our own. They operate openly and freely under the protection of Liberal Communists such as John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Micheal Moore, Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw ect.. All of these people are filthy rich yet begrudge those of us trying to pull ourselves up by taxing us to death thus keeping us right where they want us, dependent upon them. This is no longer funny my friends. These people will subject us all to the will of these bastards in the name of peace. Peace is not simply the absence of war. There is no war in North Korea, but are those poor people really at peace ? Hell no. They exist under the threat of death and or torture everyday, yet, there is no war. Don't think my friends that there are not fellow Americans, maybe the guy next door, that think this would be just fine with them. These Bon-Bon eating Opra watching lazy good for nothing useless Bitches and Bastards would be very content to know that those of us who work are going to deliver their meals.

Posted by: Live_Rust at September 21, 2004 05:03 PM (ucR4J)

25 It's easy to say "flatten em all". I'd like to too. But try to picture the shoe on the other foot (OK, now I've pissed off the extremists here). I'm thinking it would be similar to the scenereo whereby an enemy of the US invaded the US, and dislodged our Federal Government, dethroning Bush. Now the state governments and churches would all claim sovernty for their own inhabitants/followers, and chaos would result. Now picture if the American Neo-Nazi's/skinheads (I'm just picking a group that's easy to stereotype, full of hatred, for illustration) took it upon themselves to use this opportunity to "take over the country". Now they're seeing the USA as the NEO-NAZI States of America, hiding in churches, blowing up innocent Americans. Launching RPGs at the invading country's military on the ground in America. If you're with me so far, take it one step further: say you're in some non-involved country, or the invading country, on the other side of the world, watching the news footage of these "Americans" blowing up other Real Americans, and you say to your comrad: We should just Nuke America: look at what they're doing to themselves. The trouble with this analogy is it's easier to pick out a skinhead from a non-skinhead than it is to pick out an Islamic Militant and a peace-loving Islamic, if there is such a thing in Iraq (arguable).

Posted by: DB at September 21, 2004 05:18 PM (vQTt9)

26 That being said, I too believe we're dancing around this war and not executing as we should. I don't know how we should be doing it better, the choices are difficult, but I do know THIS AIN'T THE RIGHT WAY. I also realize that Bush can't run it the way some of us hope he wants to, because of that American heritage: election year. Bush has to pussyfoot around until he's either locked up the white house for 4 more years (when he can then let loose because he doesn't have to kiss-a** the American public any more, unless he's worried about his "legacy", which drive Clinton to do nothing about Bin Ladin), or he looses the election, in which case he has just a very short time to, well, "Flatten Em All".

Posted by: DB at September 21, 2004 05:22 PM (vQTt9)

27 I think we've had this discussion before. ~C

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 21, 2004 05:26 PM (D39Vm)

28 My Bad.

Posted by: DB at September 21, 2004 05:35 PM (vQTt9)

29 Rome didn't have any quagmires. Carthage was completely destroyed. The Jewish rebellions ended with the complete evacuation of Israel. These are ways to decisively end conflicts. However, we are the United States and we are attempting to do something that has never happened before in history, we made war to build up a new and better country. That is a pretty noble and risky proposition. But I think it was worth undertaking and I daily hope to see it to completion. This Victor Davis Hanson moment was brought to you by the letter "M" and the number 2.

Posted by: gordon at September 21, 2004 05:43 PM (dEFhD)

30 :-) Rusty, if you're still lurking around, maybe they are playing with us, so they can release both videos at the same time or show one video doing two and they just don't want to say it yet. I can't believe that guy's brother called Al Jazeera; I bet if he knew, he'd probably be bullshit. That's what the terrorists want - to break us from our governments like that and it's wrong. Bush and Blair and all the other countries involved, are right. Some company pulled out and they killed them anyway. Maybe the Nepalese warriors could go in and track these bastards down and take them out with no noise whatsoever. Someone asked about Bin Laden... personally, I think he's dead and has been for quite some time. Maybe when the words "they were compromised" meant the cowardly terrorists were compromised and therefore have been unable to send a video to Al Jazeera or ??? Time to take a break from all this. The Bedbound Newshound ~Cindy

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 21, 2004 05:46 PM (D39Vm)

31 To comment on the cry that we need to arm our civilian workers in war areas: Have you seen the footage released by the terrorists of a Bradley fighting vehicle, which I think most people would recogize as being quite heavily armed, driving slowly down the street when suddenly it's been replaced by a huge explosion? Or the results of one of these car-bombers after they crash into a building? A sidearm and a bullet-proof jacket aren't going to keep you out of harm's way in Iraq by any means, when RPGs are everywhere and in the hands of every Iraqi teenager looking to meet those virgins (whether they use a Christian calendar or not, I'm sure they're expecting those virgins). Personally, I'm thinking there ought to be a ban against motorized vehicles for a while, like a curfew, to help slow down the car bombings: if it's not a coalition Military vehicle, and it's moving, blow it up. Maybe they won't be able to pack as much explosives up their donkey's asses as they can in the back of a Toyota.

Posted by: DB at September 21, 2004 05:49 PM (vQTt9)

32 do any of you know when the second video is to be released?

Posted by: repulsed at September 21, 2004 06:07 PM (tRWiM)

33 When the war started,I thought we were going after the terrorists that were responsable for the 911 attacks.I dont remember anything about Saddam Huesan? I thought that Saddam was from his daddys war.I was there and it was a joke.This war is for real, and I'm not 100% sure why it was Saddem has become the Target NOT Bin ladin WHY? Ben Ladin took responsability for 911, and we chase Saddem,meanwhile back @ the Good old USA.Bush first waits reading my pet what ever, then gets his a** n the air where he's safe, then rounds up all the Ben Ladins in the US and gets them safely flowen home, @ our cost,while the rest of the us is grounded. WHY? And this is our fearless leader.The US needs to wake the f up, CLOSE the borders and find who the f is here and what the f r they doing here???Just Like all those MFN Mexicans we r givig the country to.Who do u think pays for all that duel printing crap? I DO.The next time u r @ a stop light, Count the number of types of people that pass by, black,black,white,mex,mex,mex,mex,mex get the point.It's not my fault there county SUCKS, Nor should my children or my self suffer.Lack of H2o,school space, living space etc, u get the point. One more thing and i'll shut up,NO ONE THAT SLUGS THERE a** ACROSS ANY US BORDER,THAT GETS PREGNAT,SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL THE CHILD A US CITIZEN. I'm an American Indian,a father of 6 kids,and a veretian with more time and grade in servive than both Karry or Bush.Thank You 4 reading

Posted by: Kent at September 21, 2004 06:16 PM (/n0Dx)

34 Wow, Kent, as an American Indian, you can really say that stuff. It just doesn't hold as much grit when coming from the rest of us whose ancesters at some distant point back had to cross the borders into America to create future generations of Americans. But not native Americans. There's lots of theories on why we went after Saddam, who knows what George W. really had on his mind? Finish Daddy's business? Raise Halliburtin stock prices? Oil? Greed? Cause he couldn't find Bin Ladin? Cause he's Republican and that's what Republicans do? Get rid of aging military arms? Target Practice? Save the shrinking military budget? Strategic move to bolster support for re-election? Everybody's got an opinion: I vote for the last one.

Posted by: DB at September 21, 2004 06:28 PM (vQTt9)

35 Salamander........you have got to be one of the most easy to spot haters of the US. You just want to criticize "policy" not matter whose it is. You and Michael "I Hate America" Moore could start your own country on a deserted island somewhere. You talk about poverty , under funded pensions. Do you realize the reason people most people live in poverty in the US is becuase they spend all their money on shit they don't need. They would rather buy 2 packs of cigarettes instead of saving the money. One should always be aware of their enviroment but surely there is something about America you love. Maybe it is just the fact you can get on here and try to spin your philosopical BULLSHIT and try and sound smart. I don't buy it. Anytimeyou want to talk about policy , I would be happy to undress you and expose you for the US hater that you are. Being a capitalistic society is about making your own way, not getting subsidized!!! If you don't like capitalism , then go elsewhere. That's the way we do things here. I started with nothing and have made my wealth by griding it out. People like you want to find a way to blame some else and policy for your inadequaticies, BS. As far as these extermists. Does anyone actually believewhat is going on over there has anything to do with Iraq??? No way. This is about HATE pure and simple. These Muslim fanatics hate westerns and want to see every last one of them DEAD. When people set out with a goal of killing over 10,000 innocent civilians on US soil, it opened eyes (a few peoples anyway) to the mentality we are talking about. These people don't leave you alone because "you leave their brothers in Iraq alone". They plan on seeking you out and attacking you in the most indiscriminate of ways. They must be dealt with.

Posted by: brokerdave at September 21, 2004 06:49 PM (vcpwx)

36 I agree with your reasons,and I'm sure the r more we dont even know anything about.I't just makes me mad as hell that the world is not the same as it was,just 10 years ago and the change is not 4 the good.It's not safe no where, 4 anyone, and will never b again.I hate my children wont have the same, are almost the same childhood.I mean, I did not have to worry if someone was going to take it hostage or just blow it up,I brought maybe a knife to clean my fingernails now they bring automatic weapons, WTF happend??

Posted by: kent at September 21, 2004 06:51 PM (/n0Dx)

37 The Answer is####1. Remove the Troops 2. Carpet bomb area for 6 mths 3.clean up the mess and start over.Those people over the pond, do not like us and they train there kids to kill.they r joyous when we r hurt, while we r trying to help them, but thats just it they dont want our help,they just want us dead!!!Tit 4 tat u kill my dog,I'll kill you cat

Posted by: Kent at September 21, 2004 06:59 PM (/n0Dx)

38 Maybe you should run for President on a campaign of "Tit 4 Tat, I'll kill your cat" Kent. I bet alot of people would vote for you at this point! Then again, you'd probably pull alot of votes away from G.W., and the inadvertent result would be President Kerry. Nevermind.

Posted by: DB at September 21, 2004 07:09 PM (vQTt9)

39 Dude, The person who is responsable for killing all those children in 911 is still alive and breathing.I wouldn't wont to b Pres.he is just a figure head.I want to b head of congress,if this were the case then we could all see Bin ladens head @ the base of the 2Towers, on display, to show the world how we dell with BS like this .The US Military would not stop till this was so.And moral would not b a issue like now.

Posted by: Kent at September 21, 2004 07:24 PM (/n0Dx)

40 Andrea says: Some folks are blaming BUSH for this war... At some point most of them FORGOT that it was those same terrorist that came from Iraqi to the USA and killed innocent people in New York and PA. Andrea: What is known about the terrorists who were involved in 9-11, is that 15 of the 19 were from Saudi Arabia. Not one of these people was an Iraqi, nor did they come here from Iraq. People like you need to stop pretending that Iraq had something to do with 9-11. Bush is a liar. emails deleted unread

Posted by: Geoff at September 21, 2004 07:50 PM (PcgQk)

41 Why are we in this WAR anyways? We got Saddam. They should of nuked all those sand niggers and ended this stupid ass war. Bin Laden doesn't even to seem to be in the plan anymore so i say we need to bring our soldiers home before anything else happens to them.

Posted by: Gina at September 21, 2004 08:23 PM (s6c4t)

42 N the begining, post 911, if a team of men, special forces,had been dispatched to kill Bin Ladin and his smaller forces, everthing would have been better.Instead we go in mass numbers pissing everybody off.To date we have lost aprox1038 lives, and for what,and who is worth all that???And Bin Still Lives??? WTF

Posted by: Kent at September 21, 2004 08:23 PM (/n0Dx)

43 To answer the question of "Where is Rusty", well, here I am. I just don't really have time to moderate the discussion like I usually do. Anyone that wants to reach me can just e-mail me. I pretty much always respond to e-mails, just no time to respond to all the comments, good, bad, or just good challenges. As my regulars already know, I love a good challenge. The truth is I don't have all the answers. I think (emphasis on "think") I know what the problem is, just not sure of the best solution. Just last week I raised the question of whether or not we should just declare victory and leave or not. I can't say most of you disagreed, because that would imply that I was certain that leaving was the best policy--I only raised it as one option among a lot of pretty bad options--but a lot of you good folks certainly took humbrage at the thought. So, unless someone says something really awful like "I'm glad the Americans are dead" I'm not going to ban them. But, please, if any of those types of comments to start to appear please e-mail me so I can remove them. Cheers, Rusty Shackleford Evil Minion beyind mypetjawa 2.0 (beta) Cheers, Rusty Shackleford

Posted by: RS at September 21, 2004 08:34 PM (JQjhA)

44 By no means was I trying Piss anyone off or hurt anyone feelings, if so I'm very sorry.I was mearly venting my thoughts, I know eveyone has then mine just happend to land here.I 've been on the net a log time and have never responed to any message board before,but this was kinda up my alley.Again sorry if I offended anyone.Hope U Have a Good Night.

Posted by: Kent at September 21, 2004 08:45 PM (/n0Dx)

45 Kent, I have a few seconds so I thought I might respond. Your strategy is what I call the "Rambo Strategery". Too many movies and or Tom Clancy novels. It is wishful thinking to suggest that a small number of "super-special crack elites" could just march into a country, do their shit, and presto their out. That is just not how the world works. I wish it were, but it isn't. Also, I would suggest that bin Laden is dead. But that is just the point, we cannot treat this as a war against a criminal gang--you take out the head and it's over. This is a WAR, not an indictment against a criminal. In war, people die. In war INNOCENT people die. War sucks. But the alternative would be to assume the pre-9/11 stance of sending in the FBI to "investigate" the "crimes committed" (eg, Khobar Towers, the Cole, Nigeria, etc) I was full on board with the invastion, but I do have some reservations supporting our present actions. I understand your's and every one elses genuine concern for our boys over there. I share the concern. I am just not sure that cutting and running is the correct course of action either. Sometime, you have to choose among the least worst option. This may be it right now.

Posted by: RS at September 21, 2004 08:49 PM (JQjhA)

46 Salamander, et al... If you're first reaction to the beheading of some poor civilian guy is to start doing a line of Chomsky and pissing and moaning about how, essentially, this poor fool deserved it, I can only come to a few conclusions. 1) You need to watch the video again (several times) with the sound turned all the way up (you can just scroll to about minute 7 or so on the footage) and listen as some poor father/son/brother/husband/friend/cousin keeps trying to scream as his windpipe is severed and blood keeps pouring into his lungs. 2) Then you need to realize that perhaps, it is roughly as tactful to pick this moment to carp about policy this and policy that as it would have been to walked, children's bones crunching underfoot, through the ashes of a Dresden kindergarten, explaining how, really, these Nazi kids really deserved it, because of the policies of their government. 3) You have lack sufficient empathy, reason, or rudimentary observational skills to be taken as a serious advocate of your position. Rather, it seems that you, as others, have sublimated your fears into a hatred of the current administration. 4) You are also doing a stunning job of not only failing to sway opininons and discredit any point you may have been trying to make, but also to make you and your views quite repugnant indeed.

Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta at September 21, 2004 08:50 PM (9X/fX)

47 R.S. I agree its way to late for a "Rambo Strategery". Many many years to late.I think they r all n bed together,or have been n each others bed at some time or another.Now they are all denying it and all pointing the finger at some one else laying blame.The bottom line is Americas watch dogs went to sleep or were destracted, reguardless I think they all need to be flogged and replaced.With who God only knows and he's not telling.

Posted by: kent at September 21, 2004 09:06 PM (/n0Dx)

48 Thanks for explaining that last update, Rusty. I had no idea that was the reason although I had you check out what terrorist 007 wrote and what NEIN said. I knew it wasn't a joke but I didn't think it would interfer and was kinda wondering what happening. Zarqawi is so computer savvy that he can usually set it up and upload it himself even by hacking sattelite. 007, how terribly ironic. That message was on there but I didn't understand it; glad someone did. hmmm I'd hate to see it when Zarqawi gets mad. brrrrr or meltdown? ------------------------------------------------------- You are too funny DB, donkey asses? not much I don't think. Good idea, tho. Bush rounds up all the Bin Laden's and flies them back home at our expense? I DON'T THINK SO. Bo Dietl from NYPD did the security for the Saudi family. HE got most of the Bin Laden's from NY and they flew back on the Kingdom's plane at the Kingdom's expense. One of Bin Laden's son's was attending Harvard at the time, I believe and I don't think he left either. His father did have over 50 kids!!! a dozen wives - and just because they share the same last name does not mean they are another like their brother, Osama. And Kent, there are rules the President and so on must follow during moments of crisis and that's what was done except Bush wouldn't stay and was back at the white house that afternoon. You are mixing up a lot of things here at once. But to finish, that is what the Vice President is for - he went to the oval office, he made the phone calls, he placed the orders, he talked to everybody - that's what makes him the best vice president we've ever had. When the dust settled, so to speak, Bush refused to remain in a bunker and returned to DC. From there he took over and if it was not for him, we would not have survived 9/11. That man rose to the occasion and pulled this country and the world together over that horrific day and the days to follow. He managed to make sure the market didn't crash. He kept us alive, hopeful, and be being fearless, he held it together for this country. Between him and NYC people themselves, they brought us through the worst possible tragedy ever. It's been never ending and he's still pulling us through. AND IF YOU HAD LISTENED TO HIS UN SPEECH TODAY, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN REMINDED OF WHY WE WENT INTO IRAQ TO BEGIN WITH and glad we did so after finding what we did there. Where you been? In a closet? My personal belief is Osama Bin Laden is dead and YOU, sir and ladies should be damn grateful we have George Bush in office, be grateful for the country we live in because we live better than ANYBODY on this globe, and if you don't think so - MOVE!!!!!!!!!! You might be an American Indian but I'm an American and I can tell, service or not, you have no education. Sound more like a Southern Californian Hillbilly to me. And if you were in the service to this country, then you should be proud of this country and everyone in it. All you sound like is an ignorant, uneducated, lazyass, racist pig. Full of hate - and that, sir, is the problem. HATE - these terrorists have the same attitude as YOU. My God, where did you people come from? Except for DB and me, oh Gordon and Jane, no one else here is a regular. I cannot believe the things I am reading. This is disgusting. You people are disgusting and on top of it, you don't even know what you're talking about. So until you do, I would suggest that you go elsewhere, where madmen full of spit and vinegar like you can take refuge. Like Rusty told Salamander, go to the Democratic Underground and be jerks like them. My God, people!! The United States of America is a very privileged country. We have things and knowledge and a life that is uncomparable to any place on earth. We as a country have come a long way in several hundred years and we have NO reason to complain. I am bedbound, wheelchair bound, poor as dirt and I still would not complain - at least I still have my mind. And for the longest time I never spoke on blogs until I started knowing a lot more. Sometimes people really piss me off and you guys have certainly done that. I don't expect Rusty to be checking on the posts, but in case he was, I wanted to know something, I sent him an email. You, people, aren't even polite, what is wrong with this picture??? And Rusty, if you do see my post, you will hear from me if anyone so much as ever says anything like you just said. Actually I was writing this before I got to what you said. I can't believe you people are my neighbors and countrymen. You should be ashamed of yourself. INSTEAD OF BEING ASSOLES, light a candle in memory of these men who have died and therefore end this. WE - the regulars here and on other blogs, have already had this long, COMPREHENSIVE, understanding, sharing of views and discussion on whether or not we should stay in Iraq and for how long. As President Bush says "We will stay there as long as we are needed." And I pray to God for all your sakes, he is still in office in January!! And stop the damn swearing!! Geezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz GOODNIGHT and for some of you, GOODBYE. ~C

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 21, 2004 09:24 PM (D39Vm)

49 Is it my imagination are the majority of Bush supporters illiterate? You can't spell, use tautologies continuously and basically illustrate your ignorance with rant after ill-thought rant. THINK... I've just been skimming through your diatribes re: what the 'terrorists' have done to your fellow citizens and I am truly sorry that it happenned. However, get real America (and Britain, of which I am a citizen). This Bush/Blair war has led us into something you must have known (from the Israeli experience) would happen... And it will get worse. Once they have the capability, it'll be a bomb... Beheading... LOL, makes me laugh you blame it on 'rag heads!!!'... Russians were beheaded too and guess what, by caucasions. Fuck Bush right out of office and give the rest of the world a breather, we've all had enough. God Bless Ken tomorrow. Peace/Shalom/Salamaat

Posted by: tarin at September 21, 2004 10:07 PM (3BQ1Y)

50 Just read up a bit more... For those who believe the British support your dirty war, check your facts. We do not. We know now that the claim of WMDs was a lie... suggest you go to www.guardian.co.uk and read the diaries of the ousted former BBC boss... It's pretty simple to grasp, even for intellectually challenged Americans. Forgive me, I'm just angry that one of our citizens will be beheaded tomorrow because of this folly. Bush out, Blair out... behead both the lying bastards... they deserve it. Oh and while you're at it, behead Sharon also. Murderers, the three of 'em. Peace/Shalom/Salamaat

Posted by: tarin at September 21, 2004 10:24 PM (3BQ1Y)

51 Hey Choja, go play troll on some other site. ok?

Posted by: charlemagne at September 21, 2004 10:47 PM (X6aP8)

52 Sorry, firstbrokenangel I did not know it was a Rep page."there are rules the President and so on must follow during moments of crisis"Does that mean your reaction time can be slower than anyone on the planet,or that he was waiting for someone to pull his string?If Osama Bin Laden is dead ,he is in a freezer, at the white house waiting for election day.Where are the weapons of MASS destruction?As for my education it probably is equal to, if not greater than yours.I am Not ignorant, uneducated,lazy,or a racist pig, what I am is a Father of 6 children and in no way like the terrorists that took the lives of so many innocent children, parents,husbands, wives, and siblings. The United States of America is a very privileged place to call Home, I fought for this Country and All its privilege in the Gulf War, where this all started, and I am current with the facts surounding that whole area, more so than most people.You are correct, I have never posted anything, anywhere before this but I'm glad I did, I made you think.I'll probably never post again, its not my thing, just the thing at the moment.But what I said about the Mexicans is TRUE, This Friday or Sat. go to any western union, and see how much American money is going to Mexico, And that's just the start.I hope and prey that Bush is in any office, except the Oval Office In Jan. Thank You Now Drive Thru

Posted by: Kent at September 21, 2004 10:53 PM (AQPxW)

53 'Troll,' is that a euphemism for 'someone who can spell'? I thought it was mythical creature on a bridge... looks like Iraq was US' Bridge Too Far eh... >>> say something intelligent of STFU <<<

Posted by: tarin at September 21, 2004 11:21 PM (3BQ1Y)

54 Seems to me to be the other way around, KENT

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 22, 2004 01:09 AM (D39Vm)

55 Duh!! In reguards to what exactly?I'm intelligent not a psychic.FBA

Posted by: Kent at September 22, 2004 01:33 AM (YBqO9)

56 Cool site...lots of news. I'm linking to these hostage/murder stories. Thanks.

Posted by: Victoria at September 22, 2004 02:58 AM (Ad20V)

57 Tarin You should be happy Blair is in power, the terrorists are waiting for someone strong like him to be ousted so they can make their long disrupted (by blair) attack on the UK. Do you really think they aren't thinking of the UK when it comes to targets? Whether you guys are with us or not in Iraq you are a big bullseye. These people aren't going to stop until we deal with them. Sorry to shake you from your little bubble of "everything would be happy if we just shook their hands". Seems to me we shook Bin Ladens hand in Afghanistan when he was fighting the Soviets and look what it got us.

Posted by: Digger at September 22, 2004 03:37 AM (FYEx6)

58 Well, maybe the world still have a chance with people like tarin. It is amazing how blind people can be in the US and not learn anything from history. You saw wars like this one before, and none of them was actually successfull (Vietnam, Korea, Israel's 6 days war). How on earth can we have peace with sick american fucks who are posting messages like "fuck the french" "let's nuke Middle East" and more. You people are really sick sometimes, believing that anyone in Europe really is pro-war. What happened in Iraq made even the most pro-america europeans to change their views. Keep up the good noble work of imposing democracy by war and you will end up being afraid to travel anywhere in this world, not only in the Middle East. The only answer to all this madness is PEACE. Peace/Shalom/Salamaat indeed

Posted by: Mircea at September 22, 2004 07:36 AM (BrYYx)

59 The war has now been taken to another front which means the yanks and Brits have got them just where they wanted them On THEIR HOME SOIL !! where we can create unlimited damage to any terroists plans or on his/her families. It seems its a war of religion and i dont care what anybody says the way it LOOKS is that the people of ISLAM and the people of the CHRISTIAN faith cannot ever live at peace together. The more war the west creates the deeper the rift with the middle east shall become which will lead to more hatred, more terroism and more lives lost. However i believe the west will prevail eventually and i hope the arabs can come to their senses and govern their own countries istead of the west having to sort things out for them. I believe the problem is in leadership, if the arab countries, which is where the trouble is steming from can lead themsleves, educate their people to our standard istead of buying FUCKING weapons and have a little respect for fellow man than perhaps they can put an end to terroism in their own countries before it reaches the west then perhaps we wont need to defend ourselves against such a waste of human life !!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit at September 22, 2004 07:42 AM (h7NyH)

60 ough...wat..a.(loading)..choatic time w-we live in..

Posted by: nash at September 22, 2004 08:11 AM (Yc6JT)

61 I'm new here and I think it has been said before but needs to be reiterated once again. No American President or any other country's leader for that matter has had the political fortitude to combat terrorism. Finally we have a President that wants to do the right thing by bringing down these bully terrorists but unfortunately many countries are too afraid to step up and do their part because they're afraid they might be the target of the bully(terrorism). Appeasement will not work. We've tried that for two decades now and can anyone tell me how many innocent people have died all over the world from these radical, islamist terrorists??? Now is the time to step and get the problem taken care of. Come together fellow citizens of the world and let's rid ourselves of this evil now for our children and our children's children.

Posted by: Patriot at September 22, 2004 08:11 AM (RH58B)

62 Jackrabbit. What a load of utter crap! Do you honestly think Blair and Bush are satisfied with the state of affairs in Iraq? Your opening comment would suggest that you think that the terrorist threat hails from Iraq and Iraq only. Rubbish man, they could be anywhere hatching and plotting new attrocities far greater than 9/11. Islam and Christianity can co-exist. Most European countries have a large Muslim population and as yet we have not declared open warfare on each other. Short of withdrawing from Iraq and "turning the sand to glass" as suggested by the more moronic contributors to this forum, the US/UK and their allies can look foward to a long and bloody guerilla war. With regards to leadership, a change is most definitely needed and no more so than in the grand old US of A! How anyone in their right mind could elect a complete and utter imbecile as George Bush is beyond me. Believe me when I say that George Bush has done nothing but tarnish the image of America abroad especially in Europe. Where as Clinton was an International statesman revered by both the left and the right throughout the world, Bush is a pariah who has only contributed to death toll and suffering in the world. His so called war on terror is nothing but a sham. For example if he is so interested in terrorism why has Bin Laden not been captured or killed? You can argue that Iraq is now full of terrorists, but that is only since the US invasion. Bush may have won the conventional war in Iraq. But as was pointed by many objectors to the war, winning the peace would be infinitely harder. And, were they not right?

Posted by: James at September 22, 2004 08:42 AM (4PPsx)

63 Might I suggest that the reason the Europeans have such a negative view of Bush is because the news is not an objective thing? The European elite hate Bush and portray him in a negative light. The man has an MBA from America's most prestigious university, Harvard, and his bachelor's is from our second most prestigious university, Yale. That may not make him a genius, and daddy might have gotten him in, but daddy certainly could not have helped him pass classes. Also, might I also suggest that you have a very odd view of the reason nations do what they do. Nations do not have friends, nations have strategic allies. Allies are built on mutual interests, not 'friendship' or whatever. Europe has an interest in appeasing the Muslim world because they are in such a precarious situation with large numbers of Muslims in their midsts and with financial ties to Middle Eastern nations far beyond those of the US. If Europe continues on it's present path they will wake up one day to a Muslim majority that democratically elects Muslim governments and then democratically institutes Sharis law. You know sharia? That is where they kill you for leaving the faith.

Posted by: RS at September 22, 2004 08:50 AM (JQjhA)

64 James, Yours and too many others attitude is what has allowed terrorism to grow to its current level. President Bush is the only leader to have the courage to stand up to terrorism. You don't get it do you?? Maybe you might understand if terrorists flew a couple of jet liners into your community and killed members of your family. Wake up! The leaders of these Arab countries are too blame because they have allowed these radical terrorists to breed more and more terrorists in their countries. They are teaching kids to hate people they don't even know. Would you agree that's absolutely wrong??? It's just like teaching your own children to be racist. It's just wrong. These kids are growing up to hate us so much that they would strap bombs to their bodies and kill us. Are you getting it yet??? Thank God we have George W. Bush he is finally tackling the problem that should have been dealt with years and years ago. Wake up you idiots before you find terrorists on your front door step. Don't blame your pacifist governments when it happens just look in the mirror for the person to blame.

Posted by: Patriot at September 22, 2004 09:00 AM (RH58B)

65 i have a brother in the army, and it scares me to see what hapend to this guy, the thing is this are just pictures, but if you have satelite and see a spanish or a foreign chanel well my brothers and sisters they show the live event, it was more groosom than these pictures, it got me mad because this poor man cried and screemed until his head was off. im perubian with my brother in the army, i love this country and i consider miself an american and in my opinion we should shirohima theyr asses, some people say what about the other people that live there, well do you remember when we went to free them end rescue them when they were crying out for help? after all that we did for them they desided to grab our flag and burn it, and step an spit on it like it ment nothing, our flag means a lot more than what most people think, for me this flag represents the people that are risking their lives evry day so we can be free, we should take our troops out and let them kill themselves

Posted by: cm at September 22, 2004 09:22 AM (f19/T)

66 R.S. The reason we have such a negative view of Bush is clear to see, atleast it should be. The man's grasp of geo-politics was a nonsense before his electoral theft. And now he has got himself into such a pickle that he does'nt know as to whether he's coming or going. Should he be reinstalled as your head of state, then God help the rest of us for the next 4 years and the time after that. His legacy will not be no good for man nor beast. With regards to his academic achievements, I can't comment but when he opens his mouth it is clear for all the world to hear that the man is severely intellectually challenged. Perhaps in the good old days when we didn't have to be so politically correct we could have said mentally retarded, or in plain speak a complete and utter dimwit. Strategic alliances are very important and as i pointed out yesterday, America has picked some very odd bed fellows. Bin Laden, Saddam, Marcos in the Philipinnes, Pinochect in chile. The latter two and perhaps countless others might not have turned and bit the hand that fed them, as did the former, but when the U.S saw fit, it sat down and drank with devil. So, do not feign shock and horror and beg the question why does everbody hate us? We dont hate you at all, rather we exception to your foreign policy which at times places the whole world in preil. The likelihood of an Islamic state in Europe is virtually non existant. Their size may increase, but as an Aussie based in London, the everage Muslim is appalled by the violence of Al-qeeda just as any right minded person is. But then in Europe we dont go to bed with guns under our bed and demand the right to own a firearm. Similarly In Europe nearly everybody owns a passport and has travelled somewhat and experienced life abroad all be it on even a vacation. I suspect from the views that I've read from the majority of your contributors that they have no experience of life outside of their own state lines, never mind a another country. But if the truth be told, the monster that is Al-Qeeda is the Son of Sam. A hard truth to swallow. Where else did Bin Laden leard all his dirty tricks, if not from the CIA?

Posted by: James at September 22, 2004 09:32 AM (4PPsx)

67 I think that you all need to look at reality. We really have no right to be on Iraq. It wasn't Iraqi's who were part og the 9/11 terrorists-it was Saudi Arabian's! But I don't see anyone invading Saudi Arabia. No instead we did exactly what Osama Bin Ladin wanted...we pulled out of Saudi Arabia. Why are we in Iraq? We are there because our President lied to us. He told us lies just like a small child would do. President Bush lied...and now that we have lost ove 1000 soldiers...we find out the truth...no WMD's and probably never was. I am not making Iraq out to be innocent, they probably did have the ideas and plans to make them, but didn't make them. It is time to leave Iraq and deal with the issues that need attention right here. The US is in trouble and we need to deal with that. Just to clarify, I lost my dad on 9/11 he died instantly on the 102 floor! Yet I am not holding Saudi Arabia responsible.

Posted by: PDxMOM at September 22, 2004 09:42 AM (mYL1K)

68 Patriot. Me thinks you need to cool your jets there boy, we wouldn't want you to bust a blood vessel! Al-Qeeda would not be the power it is if Bush #1 hadn't "liberated" Kuwait. The only reason America repelled that Iraqi invasion was Oil. There were no humanitarian grounds. Bush #1 did not give a curse for the average Kuwaiti who already lived a life of penury prior to the Iraqi inavasion, because if you didn't know, it was not a democracy. The Republican administration was quite happy to support Saddam whilst he was at war with Iran. So please dont dare to lecture me on foriegn policy which in America's case usually is based on or about the oil. As for CM's comments. They dont warrant a reply but I do sincerely hope his brother makes it out of this war alive and well.

Posted by: james at September 22, 2004 09:46 AM (4PPsx)

69 James, I can see there is a lot of jealousy in your responses. If you lived in America you wouldn't feel the need to travel so much. You see we love our country and we have no huge desire to travel to yours. Thankfully for you and many in your country there are a lot of Americans that do travel and spend dollars in your country. I've been to Europe and I have no desire to return. When you have the numbers of people wanting to immigrate to your country that are wanting to come to the United States then we'll talk. The rest of the world wants to get their education in the United States why do you think that is??? Wake up dreamer your country has a long way to go before you put it on the level of the United States. No empire or country or what ever you want to call it has spread more prosperity, hope and love all over the world like the United States. Don't worry though, we'll even protect people like you because we know when the terrorists come knocking on your door, you'll be screaming for our help.

Posted by: Patriot at September 22, 2004 09:48 AM (RH58B)

70 PDxMOM. My condolences on your loss. It is a pity that not more of your compatriots have the breadth of vision as yourself.

Posted by: James at September 22, 2004 09:50 AM (4PPsx)

71 Patriot. As I said, cool your jets. You might be quite happy to stay within your borders but unfortunately your powers that be, do not. I have lived in America, 2 years in fact in Chicago, lovely city by the way. Would suggest that you get out more and lose the small town attitude as you will nover broaden your horizons in every meaning of the word. As for asking for your help, I believe it was not until 1917 that America came to the assistance of Europe in the Great War where over 60 million people died. 30 odd years later Europe had to wait another couple of years before America intervened to help curb the Nazi threat.. In that time America has acquired something of a blood lust, Korea,Vietnam, Central and Southern America and in the last two deacdes the middle east. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and you have even less to offer than other contributors.

Posted by: james at September 22, 2004 10:03 AM (4PPsx)

72 Patriot says: Yours and too many others attitude is what has allowed terrorism to grow to its current level. President Bush is the only leader to have the courage to stand up to terrorism. You don't get it do you?? Maybe you might understand if terrorists flew a couple of jet liners into your community and killed members of your family. Wake up! The leaders of these Arab countries are too blame because they have allowed these radical terrorists to breed more and more terrorists in their countries. They are teaching kids to hate people they don't even know. Would you agree that's absolutely wrong??? It's just like teaching your own children to be racist. It's just wrong. These kids are growing up to hate us so much that they would strap bombs to their bodies and kill us. Are you getting it yet??? Thank God we have George W. Bush he is finally tackling the problem that should have been dealt with years and years ago. Wake up you idiots before you find terrorists on your front door step Patriot: You are way off base to suggest the rest of the world doesn't know firsthand the effects of terrorists, the rest of the world has been suffering for many decades what the terrorists from the middle east have only recently found the means to "accomplish" here in the USA. You are one naive dude. You don't see the total folly and hypocrasy of what you posted, and in what I quoted, about being racist and stereotyping people, do you? Aren't you hating people you don't even know, or know anything about? Teaching children what you typed; wouldn't that be teaching them to hate just like you said was wrong to do? What do you actually know about the average Iraqi person? Do you have any idea at all what the estimated numbers are for "collateral damage"? Are you not bothered at all to find out our bombs and bullets have killed thousands of innocent people in Iraq, and that these are what the Bush administration nicely cleans up by calling all of them "collateral damage?" Little kids, just like the ones you know in your life, blown to bits by US bombs, familes losing half the people in them in a single blast. Some familes all gone, vaporized, by off course bombs, or the trusty "suspected terrorist havens" which time and time again turn out to be ordinary houses with average familes in them. You and all the other Bush fans out there. Damn, you people are ignorant of the reality of the world, and everytime you post something else, you only reaffirm your total blind ignorance to what is real. You know only the soundbytes off your TV, that is what is real to people like you. Those are your "facts". George Bush's John Wayne, "chaaarrrrge!" type of mentality isn't going to solve this, and it is certainly not winning us any affection from the people out there who should be working with us. emails deleted unread

Posted by: geoff at September 22, 2004 10:08 AM (AaBEz)

73 Patriot, I really do feel sorry for the stupidity and ignorance that you prove with your answers. It is even more sad that people in the US not only that they have no other culture but the weapons' culture, but they are not interested in getting acquainted with something that can be different. How can you say, after it was proven that there are no WMD's, that the war in Iraq was still a good thing to do? How can you actually imagine that europeans DO need the US? How can you say that a president who comes to Slovenia and names it Slovakia is a educated, intelligent person? But I shouldn't ask you things like that, as you probably don't even know where Slovenia or Slovakia are. I happen to come from a country which has a large muslim population, and I have also travelled in muslim countries enough to know that these people are not mad, nor extremists. The fact that terrorist groups exist doesn't mean that the average muslim is a murderer or that him/her takes pleasure in blowing himself/herself up in the name of Allah. PDxMOM, my condolences as well. You show a great amount of wisdom and balance after what happened to you. A mind is just like a parachute. It doesn't function unless it's open

Posted by: Mircea at September 22, 2004 10:14 AM (BrYYx)

74 Patriot, your naivety shines like brightest of candles in the darkest of rooms. Unfortunately that can not be said about your views or the way you express them. Europe has suffered from terrorism since the sixties, Loyalist and Republican terrorism in England and Ireland, left wing groups in Germany and France such as the Beider Meinhof and Spain with ETA.The list is too long to mention but I will elaborate if youare interested to know! Christ man, I'm beginning to wonder if you know anything about the world in which we live other than your own town and now Iraq, which you probably never heard prior to 9/11. Get a life!!!!

Posted by: james at September 22, 2004 10:20 AM (4PPsx)

75 his family has put a web site up for donations for his daughter rip jack http://www.jackhensley.org/

Posted by: Dee at September 22, 2004 10:34 AM (cVgD/)

76 Patriot. In addition, who do you think armed the Middle east. It was the West. Where does Saudi Arabian dollars go after some of it has been spent on grand palaces, fast cars et al? Armaments, mainly British and American to the tune of $20 billion plus a year. Who helped arm Iraq during its fight with Iran? No prizes for that one! While Bush#1 was VP to Reagan, Bush junior was nothing but a pot smoking, draft dodging imbecile. Well they say America is the land of opportunity, well the Bush clan must be laughing all the way to the bank and impressionable young boys like yourself are so gullible as to believe that all that they do is for your safety and benefit. As I said earlier get a life!!! Renew the passport, buy a plane ticket, see the world, it's a big beautiful place. I know its a scary thought visting a country where perhaps the language and customs are different to your own, and there isn't a Mcdonalds or a Dunkin Doughnuts on every street corner. Relax open your mind, who knows, you might even learn something!!!

Posted by: James at September 22, 2004 10:37 AM (4PPsx)

77 James, It's clear you just can't stand the truth and anyone that disagrees with you must not be worldly like yourself. Now that I'm done puking...Yes, you finally admit that the United States has bailed out Europe too many times and we are again going to lead the world in the right direction by defeating terrorism. I guess that's what the leader of the world must do. We do appreciate your closed-minded opinions and we will continue to lead the world in the proper direction even though you will be following as you kick and cry. In the end the United States will do the right thing again and history will be on our side once again. You would think someone as educated as you claim to be would have learned from history, you don't negotiate with tyrants like Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hussein and any future tyrants and terrorists that the United States will deal with.

Posted by: Patriot at September 22, 2004 10:42 AM (RH58B)

78 James, Easy boy, the truth and information based in fact is getting to you. Calm down now just sit back and enjoy the ride. Don't worry you won't have to lift a finger the United States will do all the heavy lifting while you reap all of the benefits. God has and will continue to bless the United States of America.

Posted by: Patriot at September 22, 2004 10:54 AM (RH58B)

79 Patriot. Welcome back! Who said anything about negotiating with these people? Not me. Moreover I detect a hint of the Totalitarian in you. You think Bush is the leader of the world? America is but one country in this world, perhaps the most powerful, yes, but it's leader, NO. And the irony is, you have just accused me of having a closed mind. Why Patriot!!!!!!! This debate is wholly unfair, you do not even possess the basic skills of reasoning and logic!!! I must go now and repent for I feel like a bully who has used his might on someone not capable of defending their-self. Please forgive me, I did't realise you were such a lightweight.

Posted by: james at September 22, 2004 10:55 AM (4PPsx)

80 James, I know the agony of defeat is hard to accept but I do appreciate your going down with a fight just like the terrorists will do. The United States and people like me will ensure that it happens that way. Who's next???

Posted by: Patriot at September 22, 2004 11:00 AM (RH58B)

81 I love reading though all of the crap on this sight. I think that WE...American, British, all people living in the Western- have lost what really is important. Not that I can really judge here, but if we had stuck to the original plan, to take care of America-we wouldn't be where we are. I live in the most unemployed state other than Alaska, and I can tell you that the war in Iraq does nothing for the citizens here. For that matter "W" does nothing for us, oh except land here and cost us money we don't have. Someone said that if we weren't happy in the US then leave. I think that it is not a whole lot to try and change the country that we live in. My family moved us here from Italy when I was a small child, for a better life. Please explain why I am suppose to leave when all I want is to make the life for my children better? I want to make this country better. I don't want to change the world. Why can't we see that we don't need to be the parent throughout the world? Every country is not the misbehaving child and the US the single parent! Why can't we see that life in the US should be our #1 concern? I am very angry that out President lied to us, that he lied-he used our fears about another 9/11 attack to make us believe him. He made us afraid...and yet everyone talks about the terrorists from Iraq. The only terrorist that I can see is the head of our country. How can we follow this man any further? Doesn't this look a bit like a re-run of a movie that we have already seen? I mean honestly, "W" went after Hussein because of his father, but to create a war 18 months before an election-and to use our fears to generate it. Actually, when I look at it that way, the person who is behind "W" is a genius. This was planned so perfectly!

Posted by: PDxMOM at September 22, 2004 11:23 AM (mYL1K)

82 You know what, I think that the ignorant comments about Americans, Britons, and Europeans is not very nice. Do we realize that this is what people who are terrorists want? They want to divide and conquer the west. It is the oldest play in the book, and it is succeeding. I will tell you that there are good parts to Britain, France, Iraq, and the US. No one country is really any better than the other. But they all do have parts that are good. However, every country is run by wankers, and governed by plunkers. It takes the people to change it!

Posted by: PDxMOM at September 22, 2004 11:40 AM (mYL1K)

83 Patriot

Posted by: james at September 22, 2004 12:49 PM (4PPsx)

84 Patriot.. There is an old idiom(saying) that goes along the lines of" Discression is the better part of valour". Clearly you lack the sense to know when you have been beaten. But like you, I admire your fighting spirit, but as there is no intellectual basis to your arguments, then it is pointless to continue debating with you. I bare you no ill will nor malice. I only hope that one day you will realise the folly of your views......no man is beyond redemption and I am sure that if you expand your horizons, you will become more learned if not the sage you think you are. Take care and have a big mac on me!!!!

Posted by: James at September 22, 2004 01:00 PM (4PPsx)

85 What a...(loading)...turmoil induced world we live in...

Posted by: nash at September 22, 2004 01:15 PM (Yc6JT)

86 James, I haven't had a Big Mac in over 20 years, yet I live in America. I must be missing out on something, eh? Perhaps I missed the point of this forum, but when did it become a "contest" between Pro-Bush, and the rest of the world? Summing up what I'm reading from all of you: 1) All of you make some good points. All of you make some pretty lame acusations. 2) If we're all so smart, and have all the answers, why are we (you) not running your prospective countries? 3) You don't have to want to change the world to comment on it. These arguements show that we're all in the same boat: just on different sides of the issues. But the terrorists are not "seperating" us, as we have never been all one people. Personally, I don't think we ever will be either. Damn, there's more violent rifts between people in the same country, the USA, as there are between continents. 4) One thing I've seen in my own family, which is full of strong headed (stubborn) people, which everyone here seems to be, is this: none of you is going to change the opinion of any others of you. I see posts here that make me proud to be American, and those that make me sad that that group of religious exhiles ever formed this country. But I do hope the ranting and raving provides some relief to everyone in these trying times. 4) All of our countries have made good moves, and bad ones. Good moves don't get publicity, nor the type of response that BEHEADING a civilian gets. Oh yeah, that's what this forum was about, wasn't it. I just remembered. Back to the topic: I heard on the news this morning that the US Government is contradicting reports out of Iraq that the female Iraqi prisioners of war (hostages, if your an Iraqi) would be released from custody. The US says, "Only if they no longer offer any 'intelligence' value". There is some sense in the reports that the time to release them has been coming (as their value decreases to the US/Coalition), but since the terrorists who are beheading US/Brit hostages had that as their goal (the release of the female Iraqis), now that might not happen because of how it will look: that the US "gave in" to the terrorists. Any comments on that? Imagine how the families of the hostages whose heads have been removed from their bodies are going to feel once those female Iraqis do get released, one of whom is "Dr. Germ".

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 01:25 PM (vQTt9)

87 You peeps, it's me Rusty Shackleford, your humble host. Let me just interject something here: A) This is not a forum at all. This is my personal weblog, or "blog". I'm happy for the comments, debate and discussion, come back anytime. You all can drop me a line,too, at mypetjawa@yahoo.com B) Please come to the MAIN PAGE. It is located at http://mypetjawa.mu.nu If you have not been there yet, you are missing a whole lot. For instance, today's posts include Spiritual Leader of Zarqawi Terrorist Group Killed, Female Prisoners NOT Being Released, British Hostage Kenneth Bigley Beheaded, More Iraq Invasion Benefits: Libyan Sanctions Lifted, 'Beat me once a week' , Following the Chechen Terrorist's Money Trail, and I'm sure I'll have much more. Again, that's http://mypetjawa.mu.nu I'm Dr. Rusty Shackleford and I approved this message.

Posted by: RS at September 22, 2004 01:42 PM (JQjhA)

88 Great "blog" as you call it.I love the site and hate the politics . So many opinions but few know shit including myself. Thanks for the great site. Keep us up to date

Posted by: Mission Possible at September 22, 2004 01:55 PM (wFB+Q)

89 First of all Iraq did not do the new york and pen and D.C. Thing. Another country did. Why can no one get that right??? Did Bush brain wash everyone who believes this?? We should have never messed with Iraq. Where is Bin Laden? Where did our focus go anyway? I am so tired of people mixing up these wars. We tried to fix all of the boo boos we did in Iraq, it didn't work so lets move on and leave the country? That is all I have to say about that.

Posted by: misty at September 22, 2004 02:37 PM (LKu2t)

90 The video is at home****sec*****us,com/hostages.asp

Posted by: gracereid at September 22, 2004 03:26 PM (PaGJf)

91 I'm so sorry, folks. I am a gay Muslim who wishes only to have sex with your young sons. Nothing wrong with that, is there? Politics only confuse me, I only want your email addresses so I can write your young men and solicit sex.

Posted by: james at September 22, 2004 07:31 PM (ubriz)

92 Or youe dog, if it is a male. i CRAVE THAT MALENESS, AND THAT INNOCENCE. i AM a Muslim, you see. We wish only sex with your young males. Hot boy love is what james wants!!

Posted by: james at September 22, 2004 07:35 PM (ubriz)

93 Can anyone there in America put me in touch with Michael Jackson? That is what I really want. I'm tired of discussing this nasty old war!! Let's talk about boys instaed, okay?

Posted by: James at September 22, 2004 07:41 PM (ubriz)

94 OOooh!! James!! I like boys, too! Don't you just hate how thgese people think we all want to hear about politics? I wish I were a muslim, as a boy would own me already!

Posted by: misty at September 22, 2004 07:44 PM (ubriz)

95 Oooh!! You mean it wasn't a "country" that was behind 9/11? Wow, am I ignorant of history!! You say it was a fanatic arm of a bastard religion formed in 500AD in reaction to the misbegotten efforts of a Roman papacy claiming to represent the entire Christian religion? Gee, I didn't know that!! Osama Bin WHO?? And what does Pakistan have to do with all this? Aren't they our friends?Oh, you mean there are Muslims in other countries who think all wom,en should be property and wear burkhas? I might like that!! Can I get mine with a miniskirt? I think I have GREAT legs!! YTou mean I wouldn't have had to learn to read in a Muslim state, only to breed? That would have been Sooo much easier. What a dream paradise for us women, huh?

Posted by: misty at September 22, 2004 08:21 PM (ubriz)

96 Misty, I would love you if only you were a little boy, or a goat, but only a male goat. I crave that maleness. Young boys. I want young boys. And goats. Goats, too.

Posted by: james at September 22, 2004 08:30 PM (ubriz)

97 Young boys!! I want the Big Mac in your pants!! I want you like my Muslim Brother Michael Jackson wants you!! He is rich!! He will make a good Muslim of you, just bend over. It's just like being a good Catholic, but without those nasty wafers and sour assed grape juice!! Misty wants you too, and she wants my GOAT!! Vote Osama BinLaden in 2004!! NAMBLA rally around my fag!! jAMES IS IN THE howse!!!

Posted by: james at September 22, 2004 08:37 PM (ubriz)

98 James has been banned. James, watch the language. If you wish commenting priveleges reinstated please e-mail me.

Posted by: RS at September 22, 2004 08:39 PM (JQjhA)

99 GREAT job Rusty on the BLOCKS of James and the other wacko Misty... Also there is another person writing as Andrea please looka email addy's if you think its me its NOT... I started posting yesterday evening and am not into the RANT and RAVING aspect of all of this... Ask Cindy she knows..... lol Andrea

Posted by: Andrea at September 22, 2004 09:03 PM (PcgQk)

100 I hope The Muslim countries of the wrold can stomach the outrage that thier fellow beievers have committed. I am by no means a supporter of complete actions of the American government, but I am a humanatarian. This is just another sign of the barbaric nature of the middle east. I have been waitin and waiting for the withdrawal of Americans from that horrid land. I hate to feel the racism that boils through my veins, it drags me down to the level of the scum that walk out earth. I am gald that I am not all powerful and I am glad that i don't have to make the deciscions about this country that we have occupied. I would find myself beside the likes of Hitler, i would wipe every last Arab off the face of the earth. They are not just criminals they are vermin, swine and cowards. They make a choice to not police themselves. I am sure that Allah(sp) will grace them in the after life. Piss on them all, they have chipped away at the last bit of compassion i had for thier religion, country, chlidren, wives, mothers, duaghters, and husbands. I hate myself for my own thoughts and feelings. How can this wrold continue when justice is beheading a man for where he lives. I guess i have shrunk to an all time low in my life after watching this video. If the end is near let it come swift and not by the sawing motion of a dull swines sword!

Posted by: Jake at September 22, 2004 10:32 PM (fVoGH)

101 I made the mistake of looking at the videos of the executions. Why I watched both , I don't know (www.ogrish.com). It's hard to understand how these folks can be capable of doing what they did. How many Americans hack people's heads off? Even our serial killers don't generally do that. Perhaps it's time for "The Crusades II". Regards, Dude

Posted by: just a dude at September 22, 2004 10:37 PM (LZ9/H)

102 I was over at the northeast intelligence network and scrolled to the part that listed all the beheadings and saw the nepal one and I must say these people seem to love to torture who they kill. that video was really hard to take, they all must be dealt with swiftness or they will be killing us here...

Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 11:11 PM (f/RYk)

103 O.K. Look people, here's the plan... (It's really simple) 1. Find them (terrorists) 2. KILL THEM !!! I am a strong supporter of President Bush, and I think the war in Iraq is the right thing to do. Hell I may even end up there myself one of these days, as I am currently in the military. Now, having said that... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! ENOUGH with all of this half-assed, politically correct, culturally sensitive, BULLSHIT! If death and destruction is the "game" they want to play, then we can and should show them how it's really done. Quite simply it goes like this: their desire is to meet Allah, our job is to arrange the meeting. Oh yeah, one more thing... for any of you rag-headed, camel-fucking, cave-dwelling, cruel-assed, inhumane, jealous of America and all of our freedom and success, sand in your asscrack, head up your ass, neanderthal, piece of shit, sons of bitches... FUCK YOU! Your mother is a overpriced, flea-bitten, toothless, ragged-assed, two-dollar fucking whore! If you have a problem with that, I'll beat your ass to death with a fucking greasy porkchop! I wish you all the hate one heart can muster, all the pain one soul can bear, all eternity with your pal Allah.(Satan) Despite all the hatred and disgust I have for you people (terrorists), I would still not stoop to the depths of depravity that you do. (Although I would most certainly kill your ass!) In summary: FUCK YOU, FUCK WHAT YOU BELIEVE, FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU WANT, FUCK EVERYBODY YOU KNOW, FUCK YOU, AND FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lkendrick at September 23, 2004 01:17 AM (zr0KT)

104 Ikendrick. I doubt you have the intelligence to be admitted to the boy scouts, never mind the army. By all means feel free to make a post but could you put a little thoght into it and perhaps drop the vernacular. And as for the moron posting the lewd comments under my name realsie that it will take Rusty only a matter of seconds to realise that they do come from me.

Posted by: james at September 23, 2004 02:23 AM (4PPsx)

105 It's a horrible, disgusting, barbaric thing that is happening to these people that are beheaded. They don't deserve it at all. However..they had the opportunity to leave and they didn't. These soldiers that are over there weren't drafted into the service they enlisted and war is a price that may be paid in doing so. I pray for these people and their families and I'm not even religious, but as I said they had choices to make and they made them and here is where it has led them. I feel we should be over there wiping out the rotten scum that dwells and no I don't think we should release anyone for the terrorists. And note this...there are just as rotten so called human beings here in the United States as there are over there. And no..they aren't just Iraqi or Muslim or whatever you ignorant people type. Has anyone forgotten the interbred rednecks that dragged that poor black man with a rope tied around his neck attached to the back of their truck beheading him? Or even Jeffrey Dahmer? Evil is everywhere and we need to wipe it out American or Foreign.

Posted by: Girl at September 23, 2004 08:48 AM (Pbs6a)

106 l Just Looked and l feel sick, l wish l did'nt, this will stay with me forever.

Posted by: sharon at September 23, 2004 10:32 AM (4lUf8)

107 I think we are in need of another President. People are dying all the time for what?!! "W" went to war in Iraq because of his "Daddy".If you remember, as soon as "W" went into office, he was mentioning about Iraq and removing a tyrant. 9-11 was just a good excuse to go after Sadam and perhaps oil. I don't like Sadam or anything he's done. What should have happened is allow the weapons inspector to do what they needed to do in Iraq, catch Bin Laden and fix the problems in America. Another thing that bothers me is most people that is for "W" is poorer than I am and they think "W" is for them. Name 5 things "W" has done for you in 4 years if you are making less than 100,000 a year. I'll tell you one, he gave you a dry boner.

Posted by: Pluto at September 23, 2004 11:09 AM (X3kgs)

108 I am exhausted! Can't any of you construct a coherent,readable sentence/paragraph?

Posted by: Phil at September 23, 2004 01:10 PM (H9/TJ)

109 GIRL you make me sick. The other sickos you refer to were caught and punished for their terrible crimes. They were not referred to as heros by their fellow countrymen, but rather what were. Show me one person that refers to Dahmer as a hero and man of God. You idiot!!

Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2004 01:44 PM (52AfP)

110 No matter what happens from know on each and every single one off these terrrorist bastards need to be killed and shown no mercy as they have shown none to these innocent people. To Start off all prisoners at guatanamo bay should be executed first.

Posted by: king at September 23, 2004 02:17 PM (RriDW)

111 Please do the world good deed and not let that faggot james return. I find him more adhorent than the videos.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2004 02:39 PM (52AfP)

112 FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FUCK ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!MAy all muslims in this world die in pain

Posted by: king at September 23, 2004 02:42 PM (RriDW)

113 Pluto, I don't think that whole "weapons inspector" thing was working out in Iraq, or don't you remember? It was largely because Saddam wasn't letting them everywhere, and was moving stuff around the country (and who knows where else), that LED the coalition to believe that there must be WMD in Iraq. If Saddam truely had nothing to hide, and he had chosen to open all of Iraq to the inspectors, the coalition would not have had any justficiation in invading Iraq. It was Saddam's own stubborness that facilitied his eventual demise.

Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 04:38 PM (vQTt9)

114 First off no american should be over there in any capacity other than military. Second this surgical method doesn't get the job done. War is about will. In order to end a war the will of a people needs to be broken. That means destroying Irag to the point where those people will see and go through things they will never want a part of again. They should spend decades cleaning up. It works (Shermans march to the sea, Nuclear/Japan)I don't like to see our people picked off in the streets and helpless people beheaded. How about this for a resolve. We cut the riegns on Isreal. Give them the supplies and training and let them have at it. Isreal has been through 9/11 type terror for centuries. They have the desire and capability.

Posted by: scott at September 23, 2004 04:44 PM (jiLFJ)

115 There are arguments for having invaded Iraq, but any sort of tie to terrorism is completely specious. The only serious terrorist group in Iraq at the time, Ansar al-Islam, was a Kurdish group trying to OVERTHROW SADDAM HUSSEIN. If fighting terrorsism is really your first priority, you have to ask why so many of our resources were taken away from hunting Osama bin Laden to go deal with Iraq. If WMD is your concern, you have to ask why Iraq and not someplace like Pakistan, which had ADMITTED to selling WMD to countries like North Korea, which has a much more serious potential to actually use them against U.S. Remember, Saddam Hussein never threatened to attack the United States. Also, if WMD is the real concern, why did Bush slash funds for the program that was trying to keep the old Soviet technology and weapons safe? Finally, I think it makes sense to look at U.S. foreign policy over the years. If you believe that we've done nothing but be kind and good throughout the world, you're missing something. You can argue that it's necessary, but you can't say we haven't comitted our own crimes and harmed people. E.g. - where did Saddam Hussein GET the weapons he used on the Kurds; who looked the other way when he did. Or who propped up the Taliban in the first place? This is a democracry, and there's room for difference of opionion and debate. But I would hope that it's a debate that's engaged with the facts of the world, and not just with propaganda (from one side or the other).

Posted by: JDB at September 23, 2004 05:02 PM (Sn8G3)

116 Say James, you're not exactly a genius now are you??? 1. It's lkendrick NOT Ikendrick. 2. I never said I am in the Army, I said I am in the military. 3. Drop the vernacular? Just what idiom would I use if not using my native? So what I'm seeing here is that you apparently cannot distinguish between the letters l and I, you do not pay attention to details, and you have no functional understanding of your own vocabulary. All of these are tell-tale signs of inbreeding.... Do you really think I lack intelligence? Lets just see... 130 IQ 2 college degrees I own my own business, soon to be 2 businesses. I'm currently in college pursuing two additional degrees. I have more real-life experience in a number of fields than you are likely to possess in a single field. Gee James, it must be my lack of intelligence that enables me to be successful at anything I try my hand at. You have no idea what you are writing about, and you have no right to question my abilities. You don't know me! Should you doubt my abilities any further, I can tell you more and even show you more. For instance, I can easily show you how a conceited, know-it-all attitude like yours can be corrected... trust me pal I have the brains and the ass to back up anything I say. You don't like this post James? Then you should refer to the summary of my previous post... I think it may apply to you as well!

Posted by: lkendrick at September 23, 2004 05:02 PM (zr0KT)

117 Allways remember a raghead never rides his camel and has sex on the same day. Why? because the camel can't take it. Sometimes mohammed the prophet stands in for the camel.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2004 05:04 PM (52AfP)

118 Allways remember a raghead never rides his camel and has sex on the same day. Why? because the camel can't take it. Sometimes mohammed the prophet stands in for the camel. I hate those murdering bastards.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2004 05:05 PM (52AfP)

119 To PDXMOM: I love hearing for immigrants who are experts on America and what we stand for. You have came here to reap the benefits earned by those who fought and died before you. It wasn't easy builing this nation. I have lost a family member in nearly every struggle this nation has entered. My father killed in WW2 by the Japanese when I was two. His brother wounded and crippled in Korea. I served in Viet Nam. My son is now in Iraq as a proud Marine. You who haven't paid the price should be careful. Sounds like your parent/relatives my have actually found against this country 60 years ago. Now you wish to tell us how to act. Think about it before running your mouth. When you're a real American you will know it in your heart. Myself, I love my country and would never leave it for as you say a better life. I will stay and help my country build a better life right here. Hope you can take this the right way. If not. Go back.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2004 05:37 PM (52AfP)

120 I'll say it here, too. This is a personal comment to the cowards who hide their face while sliting the throat of a bound being. You have to be the BIGGEST and the LOWEST COWARDS in the world. May ALLAH, GOD, or whoever or whatever you worship, condem you to eternal damnation. Your deviate behavior smacks of sexual sadism. You are not a man and you are potraying your country as the evil place the Quoran speaks of. Salmon Rushdie was right. The great Satan is not in America.

Posted by: Dru in TX at September 23, 2004 06:37 PM (PcgQk)

121 Thank you Rusty, l have a view as do the rest of you - l like to have it read. Thankyou again Graham Wells

Posted by: Graham Wells at September 23, 2004 08:18 PM (u7mqD)

122 Hey all, you guys want to help a brotha out?? http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/047301.php

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:30 PM (JQjhA)

123 Like Phil, I am exhausted as well! I have been reading these blogs for a couple of weeks now and I am so disgusted in the American people I could about puke. You should all be ashamed of yourselves talking about blowing up Iraq or killing all Muslims. Think of how you all felt on 9-11. The fear, the uncertainty, the anger. This is a daily occurance for those in Iraq. I am deeply saddened that soldiers and innocent people are being killed in vain. I am disgusted that people are having their heads cut off. The people that are doing this are sick. Don't you think you are contradicting yourselves by supporting the war and then in the same breath saying blow up Iraq or kill all the muslims. I thought we were there to deliver a free democratic state! I don't get it! I defiantly oppose the war and George Bush. Open your eyes people. Educate yourselves and stop talking about things you know nothing about! I have had enough of these blogs. They are starting to consume my life. I do however take comfort in the fact there are some intelligent, peace loving people on this blog so I guess I'm not the only one who has a clue.

Posted by: sandie at September 26, 2004 12:48 AM (2fFma)

124 people like myself who actually have a clue!

Posted by: sandie at September 26, 2004 12:56 AM (2fFma)

125 Fuck em...lets pull out...they will never change and personally i'm sick of policing the rest of the world. We have enough problems in our own country and because of this shit I can't even afford gasoline anymore. We got Saddam gave him back to Iraq (smart move....NOT!) Get our boys the fuck out of there and let ALLAH rebuild their country. It's time America starts taking care of America. Let the vermin kill each other off. We should make the prisoners we have from that shit-hole country and make them help rebuild all the damages in Florida...but no instead we'll rebuild Baghdad...milions of americans are poor but instead we WASTE our money on piece of shit countrys who will never return the favor. I'm sick.

Posted by: enoughisenough at September 26, 2004 05:15 AM (+XNcb)

126 Hey all you Americans – You have more filth in your own country than the whole remainder of planet earth. Try cleaning up your own place before dictating to the rest. How many murders do you have in the USA every day. In most other countries it makes the headlines when someone is murdered as it’s not the norm. Not yours, it’s so common it doesn’t even get a mention. Think about the mass murderers you’ve had alone, they are way too numerous to mention. Your court rooms are clogged with the scum. No one deserves to have there head sliced off, but be real everyone what do you expect when you turn up in a country who now hates you so much, and why? Let me see could it be because you murdered their men, women & children, destroyed their land & homes? Your military has raped & tortured, you hold many of their people in prisons, guilty only by association. You are all outraged with these gruesome beheadings, as are the rest of us. But are you any better – what’s this Electric Chair thingy? That’s pretty Barbaric don’t you think? We all know there was no weapons of mass destruction,. Oh but there was OIL, Oh the OIL.

Posted by: Graham Wells at September 26, 2004 07:23 AM (ApIDW)

127 I think it's a mute point to say someone deserved it because they met the fate of these 2 poor hostages. What makes anyone think they have the right to say, "well, tough shit, they knew it was dangerous, screw them"???? Something's terrible wrong with our economy if Americans have to resort to going overseas to make money to support their families! Why Bush went to Iraq and forgot about Osama Yo Mama is beyond me! But, let's not forget, this shit didn't start with him, it actually goes back to the Carter regime and the Iran hostage situation in '79. And the towers were attacked before, when Clinton was in office, who was too busy getting blown, then to find OSB, he admitted he didn't put that much effort into it. So, all you Bush bashers, don't blame him too much, because it started WAY before him. All about oil, eh? Can't we get enuf oil from Alaska? Or from other countries? And these ninja turtles in Iraq who slaughtered those poor men, what makes you think they didn't have anything to do with 9/11? How do you know that for a fact? And the poor innocent victims in that country? That other commenter is right, they WILL grow up to be the sick fuckers that beheaded those poor souls. They all hate us. We had innocent victims too....uh, around 3,000 if I remember correctly. Innocent lives must be lost sometimes, for the end result. I'm also sick of Kerry, who says nothing about what he's gonna do if he gets elected, he's too busy talking about how much Bush is fucking up. God help us all.

Posted by: Laura at September 26, 2004 08:26 PM (ptOpl)

128 Ikendrick. I stand corrected. You are truly a gifted human being. Your qualifications speak volumes, though you omitted some. Worlds biggest mouth, champion own trumpet blower. Blah blah blah It's amazing that you find the time to condescend to a site such as this. In fact you should be running the country, move over Mr Bush, Ikendrick is the man for president. Get a life, redneck

Posted by: James at September 27, 2004 10:08 AM (4PPsx)

129 So James you finally decided to respond, huh? You must be a Democrat, never wanting to challenge any issue with facts only personal attacks! Well I can play that game too... ME: World's biggest mouth YOU: World's biggest ass ME: Champion own trumpet blower YOU: Simply put, just a champion blower... ME: "Redneck" YOU: Whiney-assed, politically-correct, one-nut, culturally sensitive, "can't we all get along", pussified, possibly French, too much in touch with your feminine side, douchebag, liberal, fuckstick!

Posted by: lkendrick at September 27, 2004 10:43 AM (zr0KT)

130 lkendrick, You certainly are a piece of work! James, I agree with you 100%! Apparently the roles have reversed. lkendrick accused you of personal attacks instead of stating facts. I think his last blog speaks for itself. Who is the hypocrite here! Grow up lkendrick and get in touch with reality. It's attitudes like yours that get us in to trouble in the first place you racist jerk!

Posted by: sandie at September 27, 2004 02:39 PM (2fFma)

131 A CASE OF THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND... No Sandie the roles have not changed. I only resorted to personal attacks after James did, hence the comment: "Well I can play that game too...". Read a bit more carefully next time! I am grown up and in touch with reality. In fact I'm a part of the reality that you like to talk about. I am actively a member of the U.S. military. And you? Are you a part of the military? Or are you just another of the many who sit back in your safe, comfortable, little houses and complain about how everything is all messed up? You know what I mean. "WE" should do this, "WE" should do that, "WE" shouldn't do this, "WE" shouldn't do that. OH, you mean ME, not "WE". Do you even vote? I have every right to speak my mind here without condemnation. If you were to have read back to the beginning of this whole thing, you would see that I did not start this. I simply put in my "two cents worth" and James decided to attack me. I will defend myself, against him, or you, or anyone else. After all it is my actions both in the electorate and in the military that give all of us the right to say what we want. It's attitudes like mine that make the USA the best and baddest country in the history of humankind. An attitude that will not allow anyone to dictate to us how we will live our lives, what we will think, what we will say, what we will feel. An attitude that regardless of what is to happen to us, will give us the strength and determination to overcome any challenge. This is the attitude that my forefathers had in the American Revolution, the attitude that I have now, and the attitude that my children will have. This attitude is a large part of what makes America strong. Just remember that it is the belief and conviction, and actions of strong men that enable criticism by weaker men. Also you called me a racist jerk. How would you know? You don't know me. You have no right to call me names, just as James didn't. What if I called you a Femi-nazi? Or left wing, tree-hugging, looney, weirdo, Biatch? Now that's not nice is it? Besides, you don't even know what you are talking about anyway. Racist??? Not me. I have no problems and hold no grudges against anyone for their race. I only dislike people because of what they are, not what they look like. Perhaps you should have a consultation with Mr. Webster and determine just what the meaning of the word actually is, and not go about blindly making a fool of yourself by using the word improperly. So the next time you want to go off and complain about something, or talk trash about someone, take a long hard look at yourself first. A little bit of introspection goes a very long way!

Posted by: lkendrick at September 27, 2004 06:15 PM (zr0KT)

132 Hey, enoughisenough, fuck em is right. I keep trying like hell to rationalize our being there, everyone keeps saying we deserve it (the beheadings) for what we did: invade their country. This shit's been going on for years, since they first bombed the towers in '93. They all hate us. Bush, get the troops the fuck out of there and let them fuck themselves. Who cares if they have freedom or not, right? We've got our own shit to handle right here. And to think we've spent well over 87 BILLION, not MILLION, but BILLION. Holy Shit! How did Bush pull this money, out of his ass?????? Yet we continue to go hungry, homeless, and jobless, healthcare system's going down the tubes, etc., etc., and because of these Iraqi assholes, I can't afford to gas my car up. For what? Pull the troops out and stop pulling your puddin', Bush. I'm sick too. (((

Posted by: Laura at September 27, 2004 07:46 PM (ptOpl)

133 lkendrick, As a matter of fact I did serve my country. I was enlisted in the army for two years starting in 1993. You are absolutly right. I had no right to call you a racist jerk. I went back and re-read what you said. I guess I was so shocked at how much hate you had inside of you and the how you referred to the terrorists. Not that I am defending what they are doing but don't you think this is their way of fighting. Our country has state of the art technology and money to buy whatever weapons our soldiers need. What resources do the Iraqi fighters have? I think they are using whatever means possible to fight for their cause and defend themselves. Wouldn't you do the same if someone invaded America? Again, I am not condoning this. I also don't condone the war we are fighting. Sorry if I insulted you.

Posted by: sandie at September 27, 2004 08:08 PM (2fFma)

134 Hello again Sandie! Apology accepted. I too regret our previous exchange, but you must realize that I am not the sit back and take it kind of person. I will defend myself and my point of view. Anyway, no hard feelings on my side. The hatred that you refer to stems from the conduct of these people we are fighting. There is no legal, ethical, or moral justification for indiscriminately killing innocent people. It is true that this sometimes happens when our forces bomb targets, but the difference is that it is not by design; only a sad, unfortunate by-product of modern warfare. The same cannot be said of our enemy. The killing of innocent people is their way of waging war. If they were to attack only military targets I could at least have some respect for them, as they would be defending themselves against an occupying military power. The kidnapping and murdering of innocent civilians, the use of car bombs to kill and maim scores of people and the other various ways our enemy chooses to fight are simply unacceptable. If in their effort to defend themselves innocent people were killed, this would be a tragedy. To kill innocent people purposefully as a means to inflict fear and chaos, that is evil.

Posted by: lkendrick at September 27, 2004 11:34 PM (zr0KT)

135 When I despair, I remember that all the way through history, the way of truth and love has always won. There have been murderers and tyrants, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fail. Think of it, always. Mahatma Gandhi

Posted by: sandie at September 28, 2004 10:35 AM (2fFma)

136 i didnt know that inbred rednecks knew how to write let alone use a computer

Posted by: mafrocaroby at September 29, 2004 07:33 PM (bnUyf)

137 Well you submitted a post...

Posted by: RichardJJ at September 29, 2004 10:09 PM (zr0KT)

138 saying that all muslims are terrorists is like saying all christians are republicans,it aint so. just because i disagree with bush and blair(tony not lionel),it doesnt mean i suport the terrorists. also, if the war(sorry i meant major balls up) in iraq was about ousting saddam ,liberating the people and fighting terrorism why have we not done the same in sudan,zimbabwe, israel and why didnt the USA send their troops into northern ireland to fight against terrorism then

Posted by: mafrocaroby at September 30, 2004 06:36 PM (yXkz4)

139 Sick motherfuckers!!!!!!! i believe the poor men who had suffered the brutality of this no matter wot crime or act they had commited should have never gone through this! i think it now should be the job of the US and British army 2 do the same to these sick barbaric animals physcotic iraqi dirty smelly fucking cunts!!!

Posted by: Emma at January 28, 2005 06:04 AM (B5jgG)

140 I've just read an article of the teenager that was very close to her father, that was beheaded in iraq by the HORRIBLE men who think they rock, all they did was become monsters, i guess they dont know how low they went, i mean killing someones father and husband? HOW SICK AND DEMENTED TO YOU HAVE TO BE TO DO THAT! it discust me, i cant believe what i saw, i feel terrible for the loved ones who lost their precsious family members, i guess they didn't know how it would feel if it was them. What did the United, States of america Do to those evil children of saten! I really hope they feel the same death they caused, how could you do that to somone and live your life, SHAME ON YOU TERRORIST!

Posted by: n/a at June 08, 2005 08:23 PM (kcqug)

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