It's not so much that I'm anti-immigration as I am pro-controlling the border so I don't wake up one morning to find my native Los Angeles is lost in a nuclear holocaust. This
reports that al Qaeda is keenly aware of weak border protections and planning to use it against us.
. My only question:
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I'm against any further immigration until our jobless rate hits 0% anytime that a country says "we need more immigrants because we need workers" all the while they say, well, we have a 4% unemployment rate is courting disaster. Our lax policies have only brought in gangs and now the terrorists see our soft policy as the soft underbelly from which to attack us with. Our politicians knew this too, but since they side with big business and cheap labor is always good for the big business but not so good for the little guy they'll keep it up and we'll be the ones getting hurt in more ways than just in our pockets.
Myths about immigration (and freetrade) are that they make products cheaper. Not really, they just increase the bottom line that is all what big business wants, i've seen the outcome of this steadly rising in my area as more and more people are holding up cardboard signs begging for work and/or food and money.
Sooner or later we're going to have to wake up and smell the coffee. I just hope its not too late. :-/
Posted by: Andre at November 15, 2004 02:15 PM (hD5mx)
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We also have to stop employing overseas positions. Every time I call customer service, I get some raghead in India, Pakistan, wherever, and I can't even understand them!
Too many medical professionals working in hospitals too that I can barely understand. Pretty rude and abrupt too, I might add.
We should have closed the borders during Carter's regime. That's when this crap really started...after the Iran hostage situation we just marked that anniversary last week.
Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 02:30 PM (ptOpl)
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The borders of this country have never been sealed, EVER! Since before the days of Pancho Villa, as well as other border raiders, the US have never wanted to seal the border, the simple reason is cheap seasonal labor. Its all great when we complain we are paying $1.00 to 2.00 (mattering how close you are to the border) a head of leatuce, but no one takes those seasonal jobs because the no one will pay the prices for expensive labor. Everyone wants the expensive car in the drive way, the 150 channel digital video feed on our big screens, and big homes ... all at the bargain basement cost. Well the only cost you can control effectivly (which is your biggest target) is the labor to make the cheap expensive vehicle, laying of cables, and construction of those houses. We as a national will never seal the borders in this country. Everyone tries to make it a partisan issue ... which it is; the lying scum on both sides of the aisle dont care or give a shit.
Posted by: Salamander at November 15, 2004 04:04 PM (W2YA6)
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Well, maybe not the Mexican borders, as most of them are hard working people and don't want to behead us!
But the Mid East borders? Now that's another story.
Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 04:09 PM (ptOpl)
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Andre, 4% unemployment is almost too low. People have to change jobs for a variety of reasons, and ineffecient businesses have to close. Therefore, there will alway be unemployment. This is how it works. You could NEVER have a 0% unemployment rate because in order to get new workers to fill openings companies would have to pay even more, which would eventually cause inflation to rise. Like it or not, higher unemployment means lower inflation.
Posted by: Maureen at November 15, 2004 06:12 PM (ny5O/)
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ditto maureen. Actually, the ideal unemployment rate is somewhere in the 5% rate. Anything below that would also be a sign of a stagnant society. We want technological changes.
Posted by: Rusty at November 15, 2004 08:49 PM (JQjhA)
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I could beg to differ, as a college graduate I haven't been able to find a job as a programer in the 3 years since college, hell i can't even get a job selling computers! I've worked bussing tables got a taste of mex up close with one who was rude obnoxious, arrogant and snottily ignorant, needless to say after a week of taking it I quit that job and got another flipping burgers. Needless to say, i'm not "loving it" as I hear more an more doublespeak and triple speak from corporations who just really want to squeeze the last dime out of what is left of the middle class so that we can have a return back to the pre-1900's as far as monopoly corporations go. Sure this seems all good and find himming and hawing about it, but once a cold dose of reality hits you its like getting ice cold water thrown on you while you are in a deep sleep. Nothing wakes you up faster than that.
Posted by: Andre at November 15, 2004 09:13 PM (hD5mx)
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Laura/Andre......I dont know anything about your ancestor's heritage but if you are not aware, let me be the first to inform you that they were economic migrants as well. Were your ancestors not allowed to enter the US, then chances are that you both would not be here today.
The issue is about Al Qaeeda using the Mexican border as a way of entering the US, not for you two nobodies to complain about your dislike of foreigners. Would it make a difference if the health professionals you have a problem with hailed from Europe, Laura? Or do you dislike them because they are educated and successful? Lift yourselves out of the gutter and in particular your attitudes. After all the US is the land of opportunity for those prepared to work hard and also have the ability.
Posted by: James at November 16, 2004 06:02 AM (4PPsx)
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James its the simple fact society has to have an enemy: witches, Moors, savage natives, Chinese, Germans & Japaneses, Africans, Latinos, Indians / Pakistanis / Bangladeshis, and now Araps. Society always has to have that boogie man to keep the mindless (never under-estimate the power of stupidity in numbers) amongst the population like sheep to follow the leader. Fear of what your people dont know is the biggest stick you can have.
Posted by: Salamander at November 16, 2004 07:11 AM (F26eZ)
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Salamander.
I agree with you up to a point. I would say that it is only certain elements of society who are opposd to immigration, that is those who feel that they are in competition with the immigrants, namely those on the lowest rung of the economic ladder and the uneducated. Fear and ignorance are great bedfellows.
Posted by: James at November 16, 2004 07:50 AM (4PPsx)
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Bullshit James. I'd be here, just in Italy. The difference bet. the immigration to Ellis Island back in the early 1900's is that they were PROUD to become American citizens, learned the language and were hard working people.
Can't say the same for the ones immigrating to America today. Some came over to learn how to kill us.
Posted by: Laura at November 16, 2004 08:57 AM (ptOpl)
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Case in point.
Ignorant. Uneducated and now paranoid.
Posted by: James at November 16, 2004 09:29 AM (4PPsx)
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Germany had near zero unemployment. So to make up for it they allowed uncontrolled immigration. Now they have 11 million problems to deal with.
On the immigration issue. Can't relate to recent (last 100 yrs) as my family has been here from the formation of this great country.
It seems to me that the Irish, Brits, Italians, Germans, Swedes, etc: joined the rest of America. Many even changing their names to appear what they wished to be, namely an American. They dressed, acted, behaved like Americans as quick as they could. They practised the majority religion. They quickly assimilated and their loyality was not is question.
My people came to an empty land. Formerly, sparcely occupied by a people who were not a nation. They hadn't approached the iron age. No steel, no horses. Life must have been tough as they apparently fought each other constantly. They didn't have the wheel, domestic animals, a written language, a central government. Bless them, but the truth is 400 yrs ago and forever past that, more advanced societies always prevailed. That was the way it was through out the world. Even the Ameridians constantly displaced each other. Thru war and slaughter I might add.
My ancestors came to a new land, to make a country.
Recent immigrants are coming to reap what my ancestors have sowed. They haven't paid the price. My family has had it's members take part in or be killed in every war this nation has fought. I was raised by a good man. He was my step father because my father was an army air corps pilot who didn't come back from the pacific in 1943. Even my step day fought in WW2.
I served in Viet Nam and my only son is now in Iraq.
This policy of opening our doors to everyone is crazy. They are not coming here for any other reason but economic. I understand their point. I hope they understand my point. Which is. We have plenty of people already. Don't believe it? Try an Los Angeles freeway. In some areas water is even rationed.
Perhaps those that wish to immigrate here should stay and fight to make their countries better. That's what I would do. Perhaps America can help them be like America. It's apparent that is what they wish to be like or they wouldn't be coming here. I wish the rest of the world good luck. I wish to be your friend. I wish to help you if I can. Come and visit. But please if you can't or won't be like us then stay where you are. We have enough problems already.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 16, 2004 09:54 AM (UkXdy)
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ANDRE: Can't find a programing job? wow! Try another geographical area. I know some kids (to me anyway) recently hired at 70K. Right out of school. I believe they majored in computer science.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 16, 2004 10:02 AM (UkXdy)
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Have to agree pretty much with the last posting.
Visit America by all means,have a great vacation,enjoy your stay,but dont give us any problems,and most of all go back home
at the end of it.
Posted by: sopotamia at November 16, 2004 10:52 AM (aDsLR)
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James, you have no clue about immigration, its history, or are even remotely connected to it.
I have no problem with people who have come here, became citizens and learned the language. However, we are talking about a long time ago. The immigrants coming over here now, do NOT learn the language properly, do not dress American, and insist on bringing their cultures, dress, religion and language with them. That's fine to be proud of your heritage but when taking up space in another country, you must become like them. You cannot expect to talk Arabic, Hindi, or whatever and get a job or be respected.
My brother is a medical doctor. He sees many jobs being taken in major hospitals by foreign doctors, nurses, and other personnel. They smell to high heaven. They cannot be understood. These are people's LIVES we are talking about! These are sick people who need to be in a sterile environment. If you cannot make your needs met as a patient to these people, what kind of medical care do you expect to get?
Of course, it's our fault. We hire these people because they accept cheaper wages. Same with the computer and telemarketing industries. Many, many jobs are being taken from Americans because the jobs are sent overseas. That is a major reason why there is so much unemployment.
The heavy, physical labor is done mostly by Mexicans. America is lazy, they do not want to do the jobs they do. I don't have a problem with Mexicans. They are hard working, religious people. There are plenty of them here in Texas. And no, I am NOT in NYC. I was born and raised there, not there now.
Maybe you don't have that problem in the land of down under. Why is it that people who aren't even in America seem to have all the answers or think they do?
Posted by: Laura at November 16, 2004 11:47 AM (ptOpl)
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Posted by: michel myers at December 13, 2004 02:39 PM (72NLY)
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hey guys !!!!!!!!!
just chillax. the worlds a free place and we the bloody hell can get our life's worth only by working in ur countries.UR govt the hell wants us to build up it's technical base. we are wanted for our intellect as ur COUNTRY has not an ounce of originality. we get recognizeed for our talent and in the process barter out some heavy quid!!!!
we will IMMIGRATE in search of jobs to america.
SEE YOU THERE SOON...........
Posted by: arjun at January 05, 2005 07:37 AM (2pQ/l)
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You must have heard the news, right. Supposebly a Mexican doctor smuggled in four Asian guys through the borders of Mexico in the States. It was reported to Cals. Highway Patrol, but these four guys are heading our way.....to Boston....why not D.C.?
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Posted by: e at January 19, 2005 04:52 PM (+7VNs)
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We all know that the United States is a country populated by imigrants. We are also a nation of laws, or so we claim. My ansestors came here only after having followed an established and legal procedure that was anything but easy or quick.
We still have the same laws pertaining to how one can come to this country and become a citizen. Every time I hire a new employee, I am still required to use and file an I-9 form, insuring that the new employee is here legally. If I fail to follow this procedure, or am caught with illegals working for me, I am subject to heavy fines and prison time....check the laws!
Just an opinion, but I believe that we are being steered away from life as we have always known it to be in this country...because the only way that we can compete in a global economy, is to gradually lower our overall standard of living. This is why you keep hearing about the ever widening gap between the haves...and have-nots...and it's only just started.
Those of you who have not yet noticed any adverse effects in terms of your ability to maintain your standard of living...will continue to discredit most if not all of what many are saying about the path we are now on as a nation. In time...maybe soon, maybe not so soon, those same people (will) be adversely effected...in some way.
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