July 06, 2005

5 Suspected American Traitors Nabbed in Iraq

Update 7/09 (Chad):
Scratch one traitor off of Rusty's list. The lawyer for film-maker Cyrus Kar indicates his client will be released.

If true, send them to the firing squad. Could the American suspected of involvement in a kidnapping be Mohammed Monaf? Mohammed Monaf has been indicted in Romania for alleged involvement in the kidnapping of 3 Romanian journalists. Developing.....WAPO:

The U.S. military is holding five U.S. citizens suspected of insurgent activities in Iraq, a Pentagon spokesman said Wednesday.

They were captured separately and don't appear to have ties to one another, spokesman Bryan Whitman said. He declined to identify them, citing a Pentagon policy that prohibits identification of detainees.

Three of those being detained are Iraqi-Americans; another is an Iranian-American; the fifth is a Jordanian-American, Whitman said. The three Iraqi-Americans were captured in April, May and June, officials said. The Iranian-American was captured May 17, one official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the cases.

One of the Iraqi-Americans allegedly had knowledge of planning for an attack, and another was possibly involved in a kidnapping, Whitman said. The third was "engaged in suspicious activity," he said, declining to be more specific.

Whitman said the Iranian-American was captured with several dozen washing machine timers in his car-- items that can be used as components in bombs.

In Los Angeles, relatives identified him as Cyrus Kar, 44, a U.S. Navy veteran who lives in that city. He was in Iraq to film scenes for a documentary on King Cyrus the Great, founder of Persia, when he was arrested at a checkpoint in Baghdad in mid-May, his family said. They also said he has been cleared of wrongdoing and there is no legal authority for his detention.

They said he called them on May 24 and said he had been detained because of a misunderstanding involving a taxi driver who had been driving Kar and his cameraman around Baghdad. Kar was born in Iran but came to the United States when he was a child, according to reports in the Los Angeles Times and The New York Times.

The Jordanian-American was captured in a raid late last year and is suspected of high-level ties to Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist and leading al-Qaida ally in Iraq. Officials announced his capture in March.

All five are in custody at one of the three U.S.-run prisons in Iraq-- Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca or Camp Cropper, Whitman said, declining to provide their precise location. The International Committee of the Red Cross has had access to all five prisoners, Whitman said.

A panel of three U.S. officers rules on whether each prisoner is properly held; that has already taken place for the Jordanian-American. Whitman did not say whether the three Iraqi-Americans or the Iranian-American have been through this process.

I second Eugene Volokh, this is real treason. And Jay Tea's earlier post could not have been a more timely discussion of the misuse of the term treason.

UPDATE I: More on Cyrus Kar from Mercury News:

An Iranian-born U.S. citizen and Navy veteran was detained in Iraq by American forces after troops said they found a common component for improvised explosive devices in his taxi, according to U.S. defense officials.

His family says Cyrus Kar, 44, was in Iraq to film scenes for a documentary on King Cyrus the Great, founder of Persia, when he was arrested at a checkpoint in mid-May. He had also filmed in Iran, Tajikistan, Turkey and Afghanistan and consulted with scholars, they said.

Kar's family first learned of his troubles May 24, when he called them to say he had been detained because of a misunderstanding involving a taxi driver who had been driving Kar and his cameraman around Baghdad. They last heard from him on June 28.

The Defense Department confirmed to both the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times that Kar, who lives in the Silver Lake area of Los Angeles, was in U.S. military detention outside Baghdad. He has not been charged with a crime and will have a hearing to determine whether he is a security threat, a Pentagon spokesman said.

Kar's relatives, however, told both papers that Los Angeles FBI Agent John D. Wilson told them weeks ago that Kar's story had checked out, that he had passed a government polygraph test and that he had been cleared of any charges.

Unfortunately, lie detectors are almost never used to clear any one of any crime. They are often used on suspects and as ground for further investigation, but rarely are they used to release some one already in custody. Further, Kar is in a war zone, not exactly the type of place the FBI runs around talking to criminals and trying to get a judge to issue an indictment. The FBI is a police force. I find it somewhat hard to believe that the FBI is in Iraq interrogating suspected insurgents.
"He's cleared," one of Kar's aunts, Parvin Modarress, quoted Wilson as saying, according to the New York Times. "They were waiting for a lie-detector machine, but they finally got it. He passed the lie-detector test."

Wilson told the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday that he had met with the women but said he could not speak further. Cathy Viray, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles FBI office, said she could not comment on the matter.

Frustrated, Kar's relatives plan to file a federal lawsuit in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday that challenges Kar's continued detention in Iraq. The American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California and other civil liberties lawyers are representing Kar, Modarress and Kar's cousin, Shahrzad Folger, against President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Army Maj. William H. Brandenburg, overseer of military detention operations in Baghdad.

"Mr. Kar is now imprisoned by the United States military in Iraq without the slightest hint of legal authority," said Mark D. Rosenbaum, the ACLU's Southern California legal director.

Possibly the most assinine thing ever to come out of the mouth of an ACLU spokesmen. Seriously, does the U.S. military now need to get an arrest warrant to prosecute military actions in the eyes of the ACLU?
"His arbitrary military detention is unaccompanied by any charge, any warrant, any writ or any process. So far as either the civilian or the military court system is concerned, Mr. Kar has simply disappeared into detention without a trace."
I don't know if Kar is guilty of treason, but surely the ACLU is not trying to argue that a man captured in a war zone in a foreign country ought to have the legal protection of U.S. courts? Oh, wait, that's exactly what they are saying.Trackbacks are iffy today. Sorry. Try resending later if first attempt fails.

Posted by: Rusty at 11:35 AM | Comments (26) | Add Comment
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1 Holy stromboli. What is wrong with some people?

Posted by: Will Franklin at July 06, 2005 11:48 AM (IboAJ)

2 These people aren't anymore American than they are astronauts. They're foreign infiltrators in possession of American passports.

Posted by: Carlos at July 06, 2005 11:52 AM (8e/V4)

3 It they took the oath to become US Citizens, then they are clearly traitors and should be treated as such. If they are using false passports, then they are foreign members of an extranational terrorist organization whose activities are criminal and who are not protected by the Geneva Conventions. In either case, using them for target practice might be a good way to help train some of those badly needed Iraqi border guards.

Posted by: T'am Gu Ja at July 06, 2005 12:21 PM (FCxvJ)

4 Are you questioning the patriotism of these insurgenets?

Posted by: T at July 06, 2005 12:22 PM (Gi7oA)

5 The FBI is a police force. I find it somewhat hard to believe that the FBI is in Iraq interrogating suspected insurgents.

The FBI is a bureaucracy and goes where the money is. If there is the slightest chance that a bigger slice of the federal pie may be found in Iraq, the FBI is there.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at July 06, 2005 12:47 PM (XotFU)

6 There have been lots of American Muslims over there fighting against us since 01. The only one you have heard a lot about is Johnny Walker and that is only because he killed (or assisted in the killing of) John Spaim a former Jarhead CIA operative. Trust me there are hundreds of American Muslims over there fighting us. Like Johnny Walker these guys will get a few years in jail. Johnny's rich folks (dad is #2 or #3 lawyer at PG+E) are complaining that he's being treated like he was at Gitmo(which he is not). It actually got up to 79 in his cell one day this Spring. Torture!

Posted by: Rod Stanton at July 06, 2005 01:04 PM (Z6yVb)

7 The Kar story warrants some investigation, it seems. I hope that the case and similar cases are being handled in a manner that won't embarass us in the future.

Posted by: slickdpdx at July 06, 2005 02:27 PM (MjGRu)

8 Hey, who you callin a jeebus, you bardebadorditz...

Posted by: Dawg in coolerato at July 06, 2005 04:34 PM (3YLKt)

9 Welcome Cain, we haven't had a leftard to use like a bitch for a week or so now. Now where is that E-Z glide...

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 06, 2005 05:10 PM (0yYS2)

10 "...we haven't had a leftard to use like a bitch for a week or so now." You just showed the level of your intelligence by such a prepubescent comment! Not only did you succeed in making yourself look like the bitch, you insulted those who are classified as retarded by being insensitive to their plight! sick sick sick... seek help!

Posted by: Jim at July 06, 2005 05:23 PM (cHCya)

11 IM: Shame on you for being insensitive. How come Jim doesn't care if Cain is insensitive to the soldiers dying over there who think this conflict worthwhile???

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 06, 2005 05:46 PM (3Bge9)

12 “cowardly white christian fucks” IM, I know this doesn’t bother you, but as a white Christian, I’m a little offended. It sounds a little insensitive to me. Cain, why don’t you go cut the head off a chicken and stick a pin in your bush doll. And dam it; clean up that star wars shit in your room before your dad gets home!

Posted by: Brad at July 06, 2005 05:54 PM (3OPZt)

13

Of course, we don't want to lose sight of "due process" and all that. First we try 'em, then we hang 'em. And, since they're such big believers in the Moslem way, hanging them the "American" way just wouldn't be right.  I like the Taliban technique in this case: Tie ropes around their necks and lift the ropes with cranes, just far enough that their feet don't quite reach the ground anymore. I mean, they say a dieing man wants ten more minutes, right? Surely those 72 raisins can wait that long.

Posted by: Bill Faith at July 06, 2005 06:34 PM (5vspZ)

14 "His arbitrary military detention is unaccompanied by any charge, any warrant, any writ or any process. So far as either the civilian or the military court system is concerned, Mr. Kar has simply disappeared into detention without a trace." Ah, the good old ACLU wanting to prosecute terrorists like there was a Democrat in office, I guess they haven't learnt anything by having the Justice Department handle terrorism ala Clinton's prosecution of the WTC bombing, and the attack on the Cole.

Posted by: dave at July 06, 2005 06:45 PM (fsJ2z)

15 Is this site for real? I found it via a link from some blog about serial killers, but I look in here and I have to laugh, hard. Thank whatever deity above you people are in the US. You have lost all purpose in life if you honestly believe half the tripe in here. It's no wonder you guys are a joke to the rest of us in the sane world. Military prowess might be on your side, but intelligence certainly isn't. As to your opinions here. Since when must we blindly default our allegiance to a nation that is morally bankrupt and the biggest exporter of terrorism? Hell, I'm a Westerner and I support the freedom fighter in Iraq.

Posted by: Yes at July 06, 2005 07:07 PM (LvSBO)

16 May Allah deliver your head to them, then.

Posted by: dave at July 06, 2005 07:28 PM (fsJ2z)

17 It's okay, they can go over there to die, or there can stay here. Personally, I look forward to killing some goatfuckers when they start acting up here. I would give anything if I could get back in the Army, I'd love to have one of those little shits in my sights.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 06, 2005 07:48 PM (0yYS2)

18 Yes...you are the one who has it wrong. These bastards would love to butcher an infidel like you so don't waste your time sympathising for them. All the US is doing is finishing what the crusaders started 800 years ago...wiping the filth of Islam from the face of the planet before it f**ks us all.

Posted by: Jester at July 06, 2005 07:58 PM (QKZX5)

19 >>>"Hell, I'm a Westerner and I support the freedom fighter in Iraq." That wouldn't stop them from lovingly stroking your skinny little Leftist neck with a dull blade till you squealed like a stuck pig. I can only relish the thought.

Posted by: Carlos at July 06, 2005 09:37 PM (8e/V4)

20 Brad opined: “cowardly white christian fucks” "IM, I know this doesn’t bother you, but as a white Christian, I’m a little offended. It sounds a little insensitive to me." The reason it doesn't bother me is because it's the worst the dickless little shit can do. It's like a poodle barking at a bulldog, he is "...full of sound and fury, as a speech made by idiots, signifying nothing...". Don't let is rankle you, one day soon, very soon, they will fuck up monumentally, and the gloves will come off. Then I will collect their ears to hang around my neck on a cord, and their empty skulls to decorate my fenceposts. The vultures and flies will attend the leftovers. It will be a good day. Did I mention that I'm a complete bastard to people I don't like? And I don't like whiny little gutless liberal nancy-boys.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 07, 2005 01:08 AM (0yYS2)

21 Jim snivelled: "You just showed the level of your intelligence by such a prepubescent comment! Not only did you succeed in making yourself look like the bitch, you insulted those who are classified as retarded by being insensitive to their plight! sick sick sick... seek help!" Let's see what the Universal Whiny Liberal Moonbat Translator 2000™ makes of that... working, working, got it! "WAH! WAH! WAH! WAAAAAAAAAAH!" Funny, I was sure there'd be something about the Joooooooooos in there, and Black Helicopters and HALLIBURTON!!! I think it needs calibrated. Well, looks like it's time to go grab one of the slimy little shits from the local coffee shop so I can establish a baseline. Damned messy procedure, what with all the excreting they do when you make them watch patriotic videos for three days straight, and then I have to bribe the garbage man to take extra bags and all. Jesus H. Christ liberals are a lot of trouble. Maybe they should all go and get with Zarqawi's "freedom fighters" and save us all the trouble!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 07, 2005 01:22 AM (0yYS2)

22 "Universal Whiny Liberal Moonbat Translator 2000™" hahaha! brilliant.

Posted by: Carlos at July 07, 2005 05:49 AM (8e/V4)

23 Hi There, I read some of the comments and just had to clarify a few things: 1) Cyrus Kar is a loyal, American veteran that grew up in the US and learned English as his first language (not that it should matter). 2) He's not Muslim (again, not that it matters). 3) He is being detained bc a washing machine timer was found in the taxi he was riding in. Imagine if everyone got arrested every time there was something illegal in the taxi they were in. 4) The FBI was assisting the military on the investigation. That is why the FBI cleared Kar. The military wouldn't acknowledge that he was even in their custody, so the family never knew if the military cleared him. In fact, the news articles are the first time the Pentagon even admitted they had him in custody. 5) Cyrus Kar sleeps every night under an American flag, when he is not being held indefinitely in Iraq by his own military for no reason. 6) Cyrus Kar is actually a supporter of Bush's foreign policy, the War on Terror, and the war in Iraq (although we'll see if he's changed his opinion after what he's been through). Just thought I would let you all know the truth.

Posted by: SF at July 08, 2005 05:43 PM (s11QX)

24 We wouldn't be having this (American) problem if we quit making these enemies of America Americans. No more muslims in America. Cast them out. Begone ragheads.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 09, 2005 11:11 PM (CBNGy)

25 Who smeared Cain's lipstick? So easy to piss a faggot off these days.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 03:23 PM (CBNGy)

26 Yes: You are a simple minded shit. Nothing more. Go ahead and support those who only act as cowards. Birds of a feather. For me, not being as stupid as you, I recall the 3000 people slaughtered at the World Trade Center was before Iraq. Your cowardly friends attacked us first. They killed women, children and others who had nothing to do with politics or religion. You probably support them because you are as cowardly as them. May the raghead, filthy goat who mated with your whoreing mother stick one in you to. You are shit. Nothing more and you know it.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 03:35 PM (CBNGy)

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