April 04, 2005
No Flag For You!
South Carolina refuses to lower flag to half mast for Pope. Dumbasses.
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Come on Rusty. Do we really need to make a big deal out of this.
Most people in South Carolina are Protestant. They also have their laws. Lets hate all the Islamic contries who don't fly their flags at half mast because the pope died. Same thing. Or India. Or China.
I quess they are all dumbasses. I live in Mississippi. I fly a large American flag on my barn. I lowered it. About 10 people have stopped and asked who died? Dumbasses.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 04, 2005 10:05 PM (CBNGy)
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True. But the Pope was a secular leader who helped us win the Cold War.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 04, 2005 10:08 PM (JQjhA)
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Better make that "also a secular leader", e.g., besides being a cleric.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 04, 2005 10:09 PM (JQjhA)
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Change the statute.
Posted by: Carlos at April 04, 2005 10:09 PM (paKD6)
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As the story from the TV station points out, it's pick and choose on when to follow the statute (e.g. the same Governor lowering the flag for the Columbia shuttle disaster.) I'm sure there are other times the statute hasn't been followed either. This is the same state that had protestors from Bob Jones U. and some Baptist churches (along with some Anabaptists) picketing the Pope's visit in 1987 with what news reports at the time referred to as "anti-Catholic" materials including pamphlets.
They probably do need to change it to language that would reflect also lowering the flag when the President issues an executive order.
Posted by: Jeff at April 04, 2005 10:20 PM (ifPXk)
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Well, for my $.02, I have two things: First, the flag is traditionally only lowered for national events, and the Pope isn't American. Second, the Pope, while a great enemy of communism in the 80's, was generally more anti-American this time around, doing his part for appeasement rather than defeat of terrorism.
For all the hand-wringing and solemn speechifying done on the Pope's behalf, I believe we're going to see a strongly anti-American church and Pope this time around; after all, they need to get revenge on the US for exposing them as the massive pedophilia club that they are.
I heard on CNBC last night that although there will be American cardinals in the election process, there will not be an American Pope because America is seen by the church as a political and military threat. I had to take that in for a minute. America is seen as a threat by the church. Well, I guess we are a threat, if you're a dictator or tyrant, or a supporter of same, so where does that leave the Catholic church if they see us as a threat? I'm afraid the next Pope will try to revive the dying church via anti-Americanism, which will get them on the good side of Muslims for the time being, and which is sure to be a big hit in Europe. Get ready for a couple of decades, or more, of going it alone as the force for freedom in the world. We will be alone as never before.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 04, 2005 11:09 PM (0yYS2)
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Improbulus,
There has never been an American pope and likely never will be. The ones who haven't been Italian generally don't come from the ranks of the First World.
This discussion on this post isn't about whether the U.S. should honor the pontiff since that's already being done by an executive order from the President mandating the half-staffing of flags on federal installations and by the attendance of the U.S. President (possibly a first) at a papal funeral.
Posted by: Jeff at April 04, 2005 11:17 PM (ifPXk)
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Jeff: Will never be? Strong.
Posted by: greyrooster99@hotmail.com at April 05, 2005 12:52 AM (CBNGy)
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Perhaps America's flag should be lowered every day when U.S. troops stationed overseas kill or are killed?
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 05, 2005 01:41 AM (fufbw)
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Greyrooster,
Probably not.
Collin,
If you read my post, it already is.
Posted by: Jeff at April 05, 2005 04:43 AM (ifPXk)
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I think it unlikely that the Church is going to "declare war" on America--there are millions of Catholics here who at least profess to belong to the Faith. And the Church has had issues with both American AND European Catholics, due to a general decline in observance by memebers residing in these areas.
What it must do is adhere to its traditional teachings--while explaining WHY-- and not bend to political or religious lobbyists.
I admire George Bush for what he has done thus far regarding JPII's death. The man has CLASS.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 07:45 AM (x+5JB)
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As far as the flag issue, it's sad--I agree, Rusty.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 07:46 AM (x+5JB)
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This Pope did not take crap from anyone. Respect.
I wonder if flags will be dropped by half when Scott Baio dies......(sniff)...(sob)
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 05, 2005 07:55 AM (yBHNA)
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This pope defeated European communism. He deserves to have the flag flown at half mast. This doesn't speak well for the people of North Carolina. I'll bet the Klan is still pretty strong there.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 08:21 AM (/+dAV)
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Filthy: The great thespian Scott Baio will NEVER be dead to his dozens of fans. That is why we must exert political pressure for the DVD release of every season of the beloved "Joanie Loves Chachi," starting with season 1--the director's cut, with additional commentary by Osama bin Laden. (Was there a season 2?) I understand that pirated copies have surfaced in the markets of Baghdad.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 08:30 AM (x+5JB)
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Uhhhh Hellooooo..... Charles in Charge?
Scott Baio entire body of work is a Triumph!
Posted by: Obsnooks at April 05, 2005 08:42 AM (yBHNA)
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Uhhhh Hellooooo..... Charles in Charge?
Scott Baio's entire body of work is a Triumph!
Posted by: Obsnooks at April 05, 2005 08:42 AM (yBHNA)
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My dear Obsnooks: I can see you feel quite passionately about this, having posted it twice. Your zeal is indeed inspiring to us Scott Baio fans everywhere.
You are most correct, sir, and I burn with shame that this much-overlooked jem escaped my memory.
It, too, must join the pantheon of brilliant human comedy/dramas currently available on DVD, where the gifted Mr. Baio's talents can be made known to a whole new generation of fans.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 08:54 AM (x+5JB)
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>>>"Perhaps America's flag should be lowered every day when U.S. troops stationed overseas kill or are killed?"
what about the terrorists? Aren't they human beings too?
Posted by: Carlos at April 05, 2005 08:55 AM (paKD6)
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what has the Pope done for American in the past twenty years? Do we lower the flag when the patriach of the orthodox church dies? do we lower it when Billy Graham dies? when does the over-reaction cease. The Pope was a great man and statesman, but the world is full of such.
Posted by: luciuscrassus at April 05, 2005 09:31 AM (kRePE)
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what has the Pope done for American in the past ten years? Do we lower the flag when the patriach of the orthodox church dies? do we lower it when Billy Graham dies? when does the over-reaction cease. The Pope was a great man and statesman, but the world is full of such.
Posted by: luciuscrassus at April 05, 2005 09:31 AM (kRePE)
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The Pope considered the Iraq War a "defeat for humanity".
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&e=5&u=/afp/20050404/pl_afp/vaticanpopeusiraq_050404160444
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 09:52 AM (/+dAV)
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I think ANY war is a defeat (i.e., it is indicative of the human race's failure to "get along" peacefully), but sometimes they are necessary.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 09:55 AM (x+5JB)
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luciuscrassus,
I dare you to name one person who had the impact of John Paul II who didn't have the flag lowered for them.
Just because you're not a Catholic doesn't mean that you don't owe credit where credit is due.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 09:56 AM (/+dAV)
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Sometimes war is necessary, but not in the case of the Iraq war or the soon to come Iranian war which will be followed by the war in ....
insert muslim country here.
And so on and so on, for generations to come.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 10:02 AM (/+dAV)
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Quothe Greg:
"This pope defeated European communism. He deserves to have the flag flown at half mast. This doesn't speak well for the people of North Carolina. I'll bet the Klan is still pretty strong there."
Posted by greg at April 5, 2005 08:21 AM
While this post is innocent in intent, it is wrong in fact and speculation. The Pope didn't defear European Communism, as that scourge is alive and well, and spreading. He simply helped Poland take one of the necessary steps to breaking the strangle hold Communism had on them, and thus on the rest of Europe. I remember a certain American President made some contributions to the fall of the Evil Empire.
Second, It's South Carolina, not North, and if you've never been there, then I can possibly forgive your ignorance about the people, but the Klan is a long irrelevant group that only certain Democrats seem to belong to. The people of S.C. are the nicest you could ask for, and blacks and whites have been living in peace for a long time. Sure, there are racial tensions in places, but far less than someplace like Chicago, LA, or New York. If, like most other people who've never been to the South, you get all your exposure to Southerners from Beverly Hillbillys and Dukes of Hazard reruns, along with the sensationalistic media, you should be ashamed.
Besides, I agree with a previous post, the Pope was no more special than any other world leader, and the fact that anyone would lower an American flag for a foreign theocrat, well, I'm sure Jefferson is spinning like a lathe in his grave.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 05, 2005 10:04 AM (0yYS2)
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Greg, it's south carolina, not north carolina. and for that matter, the president's order only applies to federal facilities. The statehouse of south carolina is NOT a federal facility. There's no requirement that they lower a flag for anything other than those things listed in the statute.
In fact, from appearances, it would seem the governor CAN'T lower the flag outside the statutory limits.
The fact that you are using such as an opportunity to drag out all your jokes about hicks and klan members shows just how little you are honoring the pope's legacy.
Posted by: bryan at April 05, 2005 10:05 AM (V9inq)
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I am fine with the people of SC doing whatever they want.
This is really an internal family matter for us Catholics. I do not expect non Catholics to morn our Pope.
It's nice to hear people pass along good comments about the Pope. When we as Catholics expect non Catholics to feel the same as we do we are more likly to get reactions like the one from Maximus.
As a conservative Catholic, I'm sure I have more in common with the people of SC than I do with the majority of people I work with up here in the People's Republic of Seattle. In the PRS we Can't mention God or Christmas in public schools, but Kids can celebrate Kwanza(some sort of African religious holiday..sorry Rusty,ha,ha). We spend public money on the gay pride parade and hold anti military plays at West Seattle High School.It goes on and on.
I'll morn the Pope with my Catholic family. You stay Red South Carolina!
Posted by: Brad at April 05, 2005 10:11 AM (6krEN)
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Brad: I MOURN the fact that you have more Starbucks per square mile than we do here!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 10:25 AM (x+5JB)
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South Carolina is it? My mistake..
Coming from Texas, the last thing I wanted to do is disparage "hicks".
I still think the flag should be lowered.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 10:26 AM (/+dAV)
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From Greg:
The Pope considered the Iraq War a "defeat for humanity".
This is part of the problem, the Pope apparently thought, along with most other Europeans, that if we just ignored Saddam, or gave him a big hug and a Communion perhaps, that everything would be okay and the nasty old United States could leave everyone in peace.
Tyrants are immune to appeals to their humanity, they must always be destroyed, period. Anyone who opposes the fight against tyranny is giving implicit support to tyrants.
If only the free world, such as it is at present, had resolved to hold Saddam accountable, then this war would not have happened, but too many people were willing to do whatever part they could to thwart the U.S. just for the fun of it, and many still are, even in America. They are idiots.
Like W said four years ago, you're either with us, or against us, there are truly no neutrals in this war, because this is the final war to save civilization. If we fail, welcome to the New Dark Ages.
Unfortunately, strong words have often been the best W can do, and he seems to have developed a habit of backing down from the fight just as we're winning in many cases. We wouldn't have had Fallujah 2, for example, if he had the balls to take Fallujah the first time. Wars are not won by half measures.
The enemy is at the gate, their plans are known to all, their methods are no secret, and the gate isn't even closed. There are too many Muslims living among us, and when their numbers reach a critical mass, they will begin their age old pattern of colonization and conquest with resolve. They make no secret of their hatred for us, or their support for terrorism, and yet we allow them the same rights as a loyal citizen. They are enemies, each and every one, and none will lift a hand to stop the slaughter once it begins.
It's time to remove the blinders and realize that we are alone in the world, and if we fail, it's over. This is why we can't allow anyone any respect once they oppose us. We have no choice but to succeed.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 05, 2005 10:29 AM (0yYS2)
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I mourn the fact that I can't spell!
BTW..I still will NOT pay $5.00 for a cup of coffee nor will I ever utter the word "latee" as in laaaa taaaaaa please
Posted by: brad at April 05, 2005 10:39 AM (6krEN)
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Maximus: I speak as a conservative Catholic. The anti-Iraqi war stance was JPII's personal opinion as head of the R.C. Church. There was no edict stating that Catholics MUST be not side with Bush. No official dogma on this. I respect JPII as Pope but also have the freedom to disagreee with him on this.
Tolerance is fine as long as the other party doesn't do things like chop off people's heads or blow themselves up (along with innocent civilians) on purpose.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 10:46 AM (x+5JB)
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Brad: I'm with you, brother. Just give PLAIN black coffee.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 10:47 AM (x+5JB)
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Just a thought; when the Dalai Lama, or the Patriarch of one of the Eastern Orthodox churches, or any other international religious leader dies, do we lower the flag for them too? What about Jacques Chirac of Gerhard Schroeder, or Vladmir Putin?
I have no particular animosity against this Pope, at least no more than I would were he not Pope, I don't believe in worship of people whether living or dead, so I see him as just another man who had his faults and strengths, but I can't forgive him for standing against us on such an important matter. I don't hate the Pope, but I think he was wrong, along with so many others, who let their hatred for America come before the cause of Liberty.
I describe myself in only two ways; human and American. I love only liberty, peace, truth, and justice. The rights I reserve for myself are no more or less than what I believe anyone else deserves. I have no time for anyone who infringes on any of these things in any way. If others want to worship at the feet of an emperor or the tomb of a corpse, that's up to them, but they shouldn't expect me or anyone else who loves freedom to bow with them. I will stand for freedom, even if I stand alone, and I don't care who likes it or not.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 05, 2005 12:34 PM (0yYS2)
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Just to clarify, Improbulus. Catholics aren't taught to worship the Pope, either.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 01:00 PM (x+5JB)
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Jeff & Rusty: The post signed greyrooster99@hotmail.com was not from the greyrooster.
In all probability it was Collin Baber the traitor. Note he made another post under it. Traitors act like that. Attempt to lie under other peoples names. What can you expect from a shitty little, hate America traitor.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 04:43 PM (CBNGy)
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Rusty: Would that be considered enough to ban the bastard?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 04:45 PM (CBNGy)
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Bourbon, Brad and Improbulus maximus. Wonderful reasoning from you guys today. A pleasure to absorb you views.
Improbulus Maximus's first post (april 4, 11:09PM) was particularly distrubing to me. I fear what he says may be true.
The last few years the American Catholic Church certainly hasn't looked good in the eyes of the world. Does anyone out there know if the gay child molesting thing was just in America? I haven't heard a thing concerning foreign countries. Of course, I believe most claimers to be a member of a Church are just that. Claimers, nothing more. Italy is Catholic in the vast majority. Right! Home of the Pope and the Vatican. Yet only 7% of Italians attend Mass. I left the Catholic Church 45 years ago. If I remember correctly not attending Mass on Sunday was a mortal sin. Not attending at Easter was an automatic excomunication. My friend Leo grew up in New Orleans. Says he is Catholic. When I asked him what church in attended he answered. Oh, I haven't gone in years. A Catholic?? Maybe for the census takers. Makes you wonder how many Catholics are really out there. Or is it reasonable to say non church goers are the vast majority? When I was a Christian I acted the part. Now I'm not and certainly don't act the part.
How about some more input regarding Improbulus Maximus's 1st post.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 05:20 PM (CBNGy)
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luciuscrassus,
I dare you to name one person who had the impact of John Paul II who didn't have the flag lowered for them.
So, you are saying that all protocol is absolutely correct?
Just because you're not a Catholic doesn't mean that you don't owe credit where credit is due.
I'm not a Catholic or a member of any other Denomination. most of my family are Catholic, but I still fail to see exactly what America and I owe the Pope.
Posted by: Luciuscrassus at April 05, 2005 06:01 PM (Hk5cv)
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You have no obligation toward the Pope. But showing a little respect for a man who had such an impact on bringing down communism is the better side of discretion.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 05, 2005 06:04 PM (JQjhA)
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Dear Greyrooster,
This person only posts under his own name.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 05, 2005 06:21 PM (FV4oJ)
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"You have no obligation toward the Pope. But showing a little respect for a man who had such an impact on bringing down communism is the better side of discretion."
Are we also going to "show a little respect" when Gorbachov and Yeltsin pass on?
Posted by: luciuscrassus at April 06, 2005 07:09 AM (5H9dT)
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Greyrooster: Yes, the words "mortal sin" seem so archaic these days and are seldon heard today, as some priests are more concerned with being popular and not "offending" anyone. Straight talk has been on the decline since the mid-60's.
The Church needs to keep up its mission of reaching out to all Catholics--even ones in the U.S.!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 06, 2005 08:37 AM (x+5JB)
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I've noted some relevant S.C. code sections at http://timkelly.squarespace.com/cracked/2005/4/5/sanford-wont-lower-flag-for-pope.html that suggest while there are specific references to when the flag must be lowered to half-staff, there is nothing preventing Governor Dumbass from lowering it now. But, trust me, I live in the most backward-ass of all backward-ass places on Earth.
Posted by: Tim at April 06, 2005 09:00 AM (RBIeP)
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Some heavy stuff on this page...
First of all, the easiest way to avoid this "defeat for humanity" would've been to pay some Iraqi to kill Saddam. Assassination is the solution to getting rid of dictators.
"European Communism, as that scourge is alive and well, and spreading."...wtf!? Communism ended in Europe the day Soviet Union fell (Albania doesn't count, they're originally Turkeys, not European). It has been replaced by social-DEMOCRATIC(not ones that use war as the main way of expanding power) movements and neutral center-party. Neo-fascism is not communism, its the next step right from being a republican, and it has unfortunately stayed in East-Germany and Austria, the traditional Hitler-fan-areas. Naturally, the Republicans of Northern Ireland have their army, but that doesn't count as a serious political movement, as the Irish Republican Army is comparable to Al-Qaeda (Christian terrorists and no-one is dealing with em, well I'll be damned. Wonder why...).
Anyway, there is NO COMMUNISM PROBLEM in Europe, and Albanians are communist-ish only because their countries entire existence is depending on support from Muslim countries, and they don't approve getting closer to EU, since it would geopardize Islamic worlds only foothold Europe.
Actually, none of this effects my country, since it's lutheran, central-party-lead, not in NATO and in extremely good relations with Eastern Europe, Russia, Middle-East and European Union. Therefore, I need not care really.
Furthermore, "Get ready for a couple of decades, or more, of going it (United States) ALONE AS THE FORCE OF FREEDOM in the world. We will be alone as never before.", posted by Improbulus Maximus, was absolutely outrageous. If the IT is alone as a force of freedom, the IT alone is the force of evil, that causes all conflicts and all others should seek to destroy IT, before it gets bored of killing people of different religion and turns ITs attention to the countries that made IT and let IT grow too big to handle without WoMDs. Especially the absolute tyrannie the one man leading the country has over IT, makes IT a terrible thing blindly following a crazy, grey-haired lepricon in a suit, until they find the pot of...well, more likely oil than gold... at the end of the imaginary rainbow.
Long story short:
Assassination is the solution to all dictator/terroristleader-problems, no Commies in Europe, the power in your country is divided real crappy to one man at a time.
And also, gay is not genetic, in your country the media is feminine and all things manly are made to look redneckie, so unless kids like their parents, who enforce opinions against being gay,your environment (endless fashion and gay programs, music mostly from "strong women" or guys with high voices or make-up, constant reminders that its ok to be gay, other kids that admire some gays play a big part) very likely makes those, who have weak minds, feminine/over-masculine facial/body features or problems with their selfesteem become gay.
Most likely this system in your country was developed as birth control to stop overpopulation, and to unnoticeably stop weak and strange people from having children, and now it backfired and the whole country is full of gay.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 09:33 AM (lGolT)
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Good news Rusty!
A Finn has RSVP'ed . He CAN attend your get together in DC.
Posted by: Brad at April 06, 2005 09:44 AM (M7kiy)
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...what? RSVP'ed? Hmm... wonder what that is.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 10:36 AM (lGolT)
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Oh that kind of shit... no I'm not gay.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 11:01 AM (lGolT)
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You can never get enough cowbell, but can a guy get too much Finn?
Posted by: Brad at April 06, 2005 12:28 PM (NzgK/)
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I believe everyone is pretty much sick of reading whatever I've written, but surely provoking any kind of emotion in this generation of people hardened by sex, violence and various horrible incidents one sees and hears through TV or internet, is a thing that brings a bit more meaning into the lives of those who spend a quarter of their life at a computer.
(not me, I'm just excited that I found this kind of site, where I can express my opinions quite freely, sure I'll get bored of this in a week and not use my comp for anything else than perhaps playing some web games when I'm really bored and nothing comes to mind.)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 01:03 PM (lGolT)
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Finn: You have as much right to pontificate as anyone else.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 06, 2005 01:07 PM (x+5JB)
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Perhaps, though I'm quite surprised that this site allows opinions from others than people living outside United States. Other peoples opinions often seem like pontificating to people looking at things from a different angle, and pontificating sometimes seriously hurts people set on their beliefs, eventhough such thing was not intended.
I myself just don't think of the people reading these things as living, breathing human beings, they are more like some AI-bots with automated response patterns, with which I trade arguments for fun. This site for me is entertainment, playing with the minds of people thousands of kilometers away. I just can't find it useful to consider their feelings.
(yay I learned a brand new word in English...pontificate)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 02:27 PM (lGolT)
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A terrible error in my writing, outside = inside of course.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 02:29 PM (lGolT)
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Finn: I didn't mean "pontificate" in a negative way. I merely used it as a synonym for going on at length on any given topic. I do this, too.
I may not agree with all you say, but you express yourself well most of the time for writing in a language (I'm assuming) that is not your mother tongue.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 06, 2005 03:45 PM (MVl0c)
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AFINN: We have a little guy who lives 2 miles from me. Lives in a little house and works at the waffle house. He gets along with everyone. Everyone is bigger than he so thats the best policy. Not much money or property since he works for waffle house. Half is property is flooded half the year. He seems happy with his life. The truth is he has no choice. Remind you of anyone?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 06, 2005 06:25 PM (CBNGy)
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Tim: " I live in the most backward assed of the most backward assed places in the world" No you don't. South Carolina is Boston, San Franciso and New York all rolled into one when compared to Mississippi. But ah! herein lies the question. Is the system easier to work to your advantage? Columbia is cosmopolitan compared to Jackson.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 06, 2005 06:34 PM (CBNGy)
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The poor Pope isn't cold yet, gee, how big of the media to wait at least a few days before the cracks start.
Overheard on talk shows, etc. "gee I hope the next Pope will be more aggressive in punishing and seeking out priest pedophiles", "if I adhered to the Pope's views on birth control, I'd now have 25 kids", "aren't condoms good for protecting one against fatal diseases, let alone to avoid pregnancy?', "The Pope was against the Iraq invasion....all he wants is for us to pray that Osama will go away", blah, blah, blah.
I am Italian Catholic, and there were many things I disagreed with as well. If Osama were holding a knife to one of my family members' necks, would I stop and pray that he'll spare them? I think not. I don't think it's wrong to defend one's country of evil. The Bible even says "eye for an eye". What's wrong with getting rid of evil?
The birth control thing I never agreed with...show me one person who was successful with the "rhythmn method", and I'll show you a man with four balls! I think it's one thing to prevent a pregnancy, but another thing to actually END it, so I do agree with his stance against abortion.
The next Pope better be a little bit more aggressive on some issues, but more flexible in others.
For one thing, I think priests should marry, and that women should be ordained. Also, a priest should undergo very strict background checks and watched very closely...you can usually spot a pedophile a mile away, trust me.
Not to get too grossed out, but I found out a very shocking detail about the body of the Pope....I heard he was NOT embalmed....egads!!!! How is he managing to hold up that many days of viewing without having had that process done????
Posted by: Laura at April 06, 2005 09:12 PM (L3PPO)
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Laura,
I'll just comment on a couple of things I agree with:
1. Backround checks for all people employed by the Church. I run a CYO athletic program at our Parish. All coaches, admin,and assistants must have an FBI back round check.NO EXCEPTIONS!
We have found no sexual problems, but have found a few Drunk drivers and a couple of drug busts. DUI people are not allowed to drive kids on Parish or school functions for any reason. Drug busts are an absolute NO for coaching or contact with kids.
I'll agree with you about birth control as opposed to abortion, In my mind, two different things. However, we are considered "Cafeteria Catholics" ie, we pick and choose what the Church tells us.
My biggest problem is Homosexual Priests. I think the Church is way to liberal here. I would meet them half way with married Priests. I believe this would make us a stronger Church and attract better canadates for the Priesthood.
We shall see what the Holy Spirit brings us after 4/18.
God Bless all Catholics ...and the rest of you good people!
Posted by: Brad at April 06, 2005 10:29 PM (6krEN)
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Brad: Ever notice that the homosexual priests seem to be pretty well over the hill. Perhaps, the problem has already been addressed. Seems that in every episode publicized the defendant priest is very old. I may be wrong. Just what I have noticed.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 12:52 AM (CBNGy)
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AFINN: When reading your post of April 6, 9:33 AM. my first reaction is to tell you where you and your insigificant little meaningless country of 5 million reindeer herders can go. Calling us female leaning but your president is a female. Your Prime Minister isn't man enough to keep his wife while in office. In fact, your last Prime Minister couldn't either.
However, much of what you say I fear is true. So will allow you to continue to attack my country and president. What you need to remember is that Patriotic Americans are proud of our country. Had any minorities wish to go to your country lately? Less than 2% of your country comes form foreign backgrounds and those just happen to be 100% white. Finland would collapse in a day if they even attempted to do what America does everyday. Meanwhile enjoy lambasting us on your American invented desktop computer.
Finland seems to be kissing up to the muslim world lately. How many muslims in Finland? I think you get my point. Personally, I think living in your country would be a very boring existence. Five million people on the cell phone at the same time. Nothing else to do. Little dogs, Yuk. Yap, Yap, Yap. Can't believe you think there is more than one big dog. EU my ass. France and Turkey getting along with Germany and England. Ha! Soccer riot fodder.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 01:20 AM (CBNGy)
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Oh Tarja Halonen, yeah... we only voted her president, since she is a leftie-radical, sort of lesbian, ugly, short, fat, red-haired, has a speechcondition and is also stupid. Now, we never have to have a female leader of any kind ever again. (unless of course we have to get a rightie-radical, straight, pretty, tall, thin, smart one who doesn't have physical/mental disabilities)
What comes to reindeer herding, the Sami people are the ones taking care of it. I am actually on a NOKIA computer, not an American design, running unfortunately on a Windows XP with a Linux-twist, and Finns have always had good ties to most of the arab world, since we are not fanatic about our religion, and do most our business with Russia or countries with not much ties to countries threatening the fanatic way of life of the countries that consider themselves developed enough.
The prime minister before this we have now, was actually a woman, so no chance of her having a wife, not that liberal about shit here. Divorce is not about being man enough, in Finland it is often only about people getting sick of each other or with people in politics, the disappointment of finding out he/she really doesn't feel strongly about anything he says and instead exploits the cushy government job to just live lazy.
Rasism is extremely weak in our country, but the 4 months of continuous night and freezing cold is too much for most people from the south, even too much for the Yugoslavian refugees. They just can't live here, since they are not used to such drastic changes between seasons. In the summers we have a lot of visitors because of the 4 months of continuous day, pure nature and sunshine.
Personally, I agree with you on the goddamn cell phones, too darn many of them. "Soccer riot fodder"?... evvk... Be proud of your country and the people as much as you like, I'm sure you've achieved something during the 500 years there have been Europeans in America.
"...attempt to do what America does everyday" What do you do?
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 03:02 AM (cWMi4)
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And greyrooster: Yes, it does actually, this alcohol-addicted fellow satisfied with his life of living on a 150 €/month social security check.
If you meant to say Finland might be like it, I must disagree with you. Finns seem to get into leading positions in most European companies and countries quite easy due to the high level of education and the expectation that people with Lutheran working morale do better work than others (a benefit from religion, yay!). This expands influence of Finland itself, and offers options for other than just living in a one big house in Finland in a steady job with a decent pay.(only 5 million people, so great chance of getting a proper job unless you're a complete moron who can't do anything and has no education beyond grade school)
And I missed the "kissing up to the muslim world lately"-part so now I must comment, that no, we are not, your country asked for help in maintaining peace in middleeast so we offered middle-east countries technological and healthcare-related assistance and new systems in economy.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 03:11 AM (cWMi4)
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And actually, after fighting as a third party in both world wars and still maintaining independence and paying war debts in time without any effect on the country, no country seems to want a hostile relationship with Finland, since they have learned from the errors of Russia and Germany in their politics with Finland during WW:s. Well, perhaps if I keep this up, the majority of people in yours will want to start one, but that bothers me not.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 04:10 AM (cWMi4)
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Another problems with Finns. They never let another get a word in.
And I agree. Your president should be in the Zoo.
Are you in a state of perpetual Kaamos? Turn on the light.
Paavo Lipponen was a woman?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 08:30 AM (CBNGy)
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Condoms are forbidden because they are contrary to natural law. NFP DOES work. People can afford more than 1.5 kids, anyway, if they reject some of the rampant materialism foisted on us my Madison Avenue. How many new cars does a family need? How many shoes? Boats? Houses? What's more important when all is said and done and one is on the deathbed?
There can be no woman pope. Priests represent Christ, God in the form of a man, and are married to the church. Symbolism here that does not work with a woman. There is already an infallible pronouncement on the issue anyway, so it's a moot point. Married pristes? Churches are already struggling to pay one man. They want to suport a whole family? So he'll be married to a woman...AND the Church? Anyway, a man's heart will always be with his wife. How can he give himself to his parishioners without causing desention or jealousy. Catholics who don't like these things should start a new church and join the 5,000 plus protestant off-shoot denominations currently out there, more splintering off every day--hardly fits the definition of "One, Holy, and Apostolic."
Greyrooster: Yes, the pedophiles tend to be older. many were in the seminarians during the swingin' 60's and hootenanny hippy masses. They are aging and dying off, leaving many new, younger orthodox priest to clean up the mess. But the Church will persevere this scandal. What other organization run by humans has lasted 2,000 years? Thank God for the Holy Spirit. And Christ dsaid that he would be with His Church until the end of time.
Pax!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 08:47 AM (x+5JB)
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Greyrooster,
Your right about the age of most of the criminal Priests. I hope we have turned a corner here.
Man those Finns sure can yak can't they?
Posted by: Brad at April 07, 2005 09:22 AM (M7kiy)
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Hello! Finland to idiot! Before Matti Vanhanen, Anneli Jäätteenmäki (the woman) had a short term as prime minister, but had to resing after about a year, since she had apparently misused her power to get the other main partys documents about their strategies in the upcoming election.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 09:41 AM (lGolT)
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Yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak brad stinks yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 09:42 AM (lGolT)
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Finn: Be specific. WHICH idiot? There are several here.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 09:56 AM (x+5JB)
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Brad: It appears that all the yaks aren't in Tibet, eh?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 09:57 AM (x+5JB)
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Actually, the farmer living about 30 km away from my house has a yak. Funny creature, smells like shit, but has hair that makes pretty good clothing apparently... (and greyrooster was the guy who thought Anneli Jäätteenmäki was a man...)
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 10:22 AM (lGolT)
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YBP
I'm starting to like this guy.
Kind of reminds me of my wife. Talks constantly, always gets the last word in. The best way to get along with him may be to just hold the channel clicker and non my head every few minutes while he goes on and on.
He seems to not like either America or President Bush, two things I very much like. Getting ripped by a Finn is sort of like getting ripped by a person living in French Guiena.
It is interesting to have him around. Much better than just going to my Encarta CD and reading about Finland.
Well off to work, no Welfare state job for this guy. Hey Finn, Do the taxpayers of your great land know you post all day long on your Government job?
Posted by: Brad at April 07, 2005 10:50 AM (6krEN)
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Hehe... like I'd be at an age in which I'd be working... Encarta has pretty much nothing relevant about Finland, and the map shows everything in wrong places and looks like there are no roads Encarta people know about in Finland. Have to talk constantly, since many of the comments seem to be pointed at me, and they all require answers equally, or the other end of the line thinks he/she is not even worth reading.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 01:04 PM (lGolT)
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Still in a studying place, Americans my age would be in high school I guess. Lukio is the term in Finnish, the exact definition of it in British-English is upper secondary grade school. Things studied there are a mix of what would be college-level-studies and senior high stuff in your country, but since the education system is different here, the age range in the lukio is same as the age range in your high schools. (not concentrating on studying arts, foreign literature and poetry before 8th grade speeds things up, I guess...)
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 01:14 PM (lGolT)
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How old are you Finn?
Posted by: Brad at April 07, 2005 01:15 PM (NzgK/)
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Oh this is a voluntary studying place, we have technical and vocational schools for people who are more suited for a... doing job, but 70% of population goes through lukio during their lives.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 01:16 PM (lGolT)
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Rooster, I think the reason why the priests are old, is because the victims have come out recently about how they were molested. They weren't old when they did it, it just took that long for the victims to speak up.
Posted by: Laura at April 07, 2005 01:45 PM (L3PPO)
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Old enough to have a faint memory of my parents watching Jeltsin run tanks into Moscow in TV when Gorbatsov was thrown out of power, yet young enough to be born after Tschernobyl blew up.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 01:49 PM (lGolT)
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Of course, at my age, I have had a summer job, since I'm not a lazy person, and I naturally want to start making money and get job experience as soon as possible.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 01:52 PM (lGolT)
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"the farmer living about 30 km away from my house has a yak. Funny creature, smells like shit"
Finn: The farmer or the yak?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 03:07 PM (x+5JB)
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Brad: "I'm starting to like this guy."
The posts are fascinating, in a bizarre sort of way, eh?
Finnish stream-of-consciousness a la James Joyce.
Or a kind of Nordic Winston Smith, reaching out to fellow humans from the stifling milieu of conformity and a Big Brother job.
Perhaps it's therapeutic...
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 03:22 PM (x+5JB)
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Brad: The Dude's in high school?!
Finn: Study hard, young man, and don't mind us Americans who love our country.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 03:28 PM (x+5JB)
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If I'm reading his message correctly, I think so.
Mabey we should have Rusty or Grey Rooster call his parents.
Posted by: Brad at April 07, 2005 03:40 PM (NzgK/)
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Brad: Perhaps. But I'm afraid of what Greyrooster will call them.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 04:05 PM (x+5JB)
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You guys miss my point. A FINN does offer some good points. I'm just correcting his method of delivery. Actually, I like Finland and don't see anything wrong with it. But if you attack my country, my leaders I must make an example of why you shouldn't.
I'm sure Finland has something to be proud of and A FINN is desperately searching for it.
A FINN is alright. His brain will thaw by April. In Finland its called perpetual Kaamos. Meaning in the dark.
A FINN do you know who Paavo Lipponen is?
How much is 150 C/month is real money? Ha. Please convert to US Dollars. Or cents in this case.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 07:40 PM (CBNGy)
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A FINN: I don't know what you are talking about this women thing. Drugs again?
What I said was that you accuse us of being run by women (no big deal, I run after them every chance I get).
My response was that how can that be? Your president is a women (dog ugly, I might add) and your present prime minister isn't man enough to keep his wife while in office. In fact, your last prime minister couldn't keep his while in office either. Then you reply something about women this and that.
Are you denying that Paavo Lipponen wasn't your prime minister from 1995 til 2003? Are you denying that he didn't get divorced during his first term? Time to thaw out.
Americans are more manly than you. We had a lying, adulteress president who got caught and still was man enough to keep his wife.
You ask what I do. I do nothing except what I want. I am 63 yrs old and retired when I was 51 years old. I then sold the two companies I had controlling interest in. Why because America was good to me and I have all I ever need to be more than comfortable. I am a mechanical engineer by profession. I married when I was almost 34 yrs old to a 20 yr old beauty. Still married after 30 years. What do I do. I watch my children and now grandson grow up. I go fishing in my 35 ft cabo. or my 21 ft inshore boat. I drink a lot. Too much. I eat too much good food. Not foreign frozen stuff. Therefore, I excerise a lot. Enjoy running when its not to hot otherwise its the stupid step machine. I watch my cows have calves which pays me about $500.00 each time. I have a lot of cows so I have a helper from Mexico. I go to the casinos once a week or more. I am a avid boxing fan and often travel long distances for good matches and the resulting party atmosphere. My family and I go to the Florida keys every February during spring break. During the summer months we usually travel to Europe or South America. I also shoot the shit with my neighborhood friends. I like that. Doing nothing, shooting the shit and drinking beer. I'm not very sophisticated and never felt comfortable around my peers when living in San Francisco. I also lived and operated businesses in New York City and Miami, Fla. Never felt I belonged there either. I found my paradise on the Gulf Coast of Mississippi. Lots of hunting, fishing, casinos and the best food in the world. From my house I can throw a rock to Louisana, just across the river. Louisana is where we actually, live, shop, play, etc.
Now you know what I do and how this terrible place called America mistreats this slave.
What do you do with your 150 C/month?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 08:36 PM (CBNGy)
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A FINN: You have your ideas about America. But they are wrong. There are many Americas in America. You just take your choice of which is for you. The proof is in the thousands of millionaire and billionaire foreign born people in America. Slaves? DUH. Jealousy? You bet!
Take your good Luthern work ethic to Finland. What do you get. 150 C/month. Take your good Luthern work ethic to America. What do you get. Paradise. The bad side. You must put up with dumbassed, commie loving, muslim excuse making liberals. It's worth it.
Hope the sun shines on you tomorrow. Time to thaw out. Petpetual Kaamos. Yuk.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 08:48 PM (CBNGy)
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Guess the whole world missed Anneli Jäättenmäkis short time as a prime minister between Lipponen and Vanhanen... Yes, Lipponen and Vanhanen both got divorced, don't really care, the 150 € (200$)/month is what the RETARDs get so they would stay alive, even simple salaries are better than 3000 euros a month (4080 dollars) and I didn't accuse you of being run by women, I accused your media for being too feminine. (yes, Tarja Halonen is an ugly one). Greyrooster, you don't seem to be a part of the 95% percent, since you have holdings and a rich retirement, so you really can't say you're one of the "slaves".
Do refer to your country as a bald eagle, rather than an animal that does everything its master tells it to do and licks itself clean afterwards...
Posted by: A Finn at April 08, 2005 03:04 AM (cWMi4)
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And since it is now April, the sun won't go down properly, it will shine on me.
Posted by: A Finn at April 08, 2005 03:48 AM (cWMi4)
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Just thought you might think writing retard in capitol letters might mean I'm calling you ones, but no ,that was not the meaning. It is in capitol letters to point out that only people incapable of making a living are given that amount of money monthly to stay alive.
5% is almost 15 million people in your country, do you feel like there are over 15 million people richer than you in there, rooster?
Posted by: A Finn at April 08, 2005 05:12 AM (cWMi4)
Pulitzer Prize Given to Terrorists
The Pulitzer Prize has been "Awarded to the Associated Press Staff for its stunning series of photographs of bloody yearlong combat inside Iraqi cities."Blogroll mypetjawa!
What photographs won for Breaking News Photography?
The 20 photographs can be found here.
5 of the 20 photos were taken by journalists who were working with terrorist forces. 11 of the 20 photos would likely cause anti-American inflamation. Only two show Americans in a positive light. Three more show the victims of terrorism.
Included in the 5 photos are 1 photo taken by Bilal Hussein [more background on Bilal Hussein here and here] of terrorist forces firing at the U.S. in Fallujah. Another photo identified as taken by a 'stringer' shows terrorists murdering an Iraqi election worker. Both of these photos are by individuals who saw Geneva Convention crimes and did nothing to stop them. Both photos indicate also that the individuals who took them had prior knowledge to the crimes being committed.
Of the remaining 15 photos, 2 show prisoners receiving harsh treatment by U.S. forces [here and here]. One more shows a dead child identified as being killed by the U.S. Another photo, taken by Khalid Mohammed, shows the residents of Fallujah rejoicing as they hang the charred bodies of dead American civilians on a bridge. The famous photo that caused Kos to cry 'screw them.' The family of an alleged Abu Ghraib victim is also shown mourning. Displaced children from the Fallujah conflict are also shown, the exact story Giuliana Sgrena was working on when she was taken hostage.
Only these two photos are positive. One shows the humanity of soldiers on patrol. The other one shows soldiers praying for a fallen comrade. But even the last one might be interpreted as defeatist.
To their credit, at least three photos show the victims of terrorism. See, fair and balanced.
No photos show U.S. troops rebuilding Iraq. No photos show U.S. troops playing with kids in the street. No photos show the results of the first democratic election in Iraq. No photos show the thousands of freed prisoners from Saddam's tyrranical rule.
The Jawa Report must therefore decline it's Pulitzer Prize. I might consider taking the $10,000 reward as soon as the Pulitzer committee stops hating America.
Thanks to Avenue for the tip.
Update 4/06: I have a new post up about the controversy. The most important photos is not the ones currently stirring up such emotions in the blogosphere. Instead, two other photos clearly show that the AP has ties to terrorists and insurgents fighting the U.S.
Update: Vivi e-mails to remind us that the Associated Press is a non-profit organization. So here we have a group that has terrorist sympathizers on their payroll yet is tax exempt? There is something wrong with this picture. I wonder if the Finance Committe might look into that status?
UPDATE: A lot of other fine bloggers have important things to say on this topic. You can find them by checking out the fatwas issued below. Especially good, in my not-so-humble opinion, are Michelle Malkin's take and that of Riding Sun (via the blogfather Charles Johnson) who has a very similar take as my own.
If you're new to The Jawa Report why not surf around? Maybe, add us to your favorites list? And if you're a blogger please, for the love of all that is holy, add us to your blogroll!! If you don't, the terrorists have already won.
Others: Joyner missing the real story here. Cranky and Mark cheer Jawa, will receive fatwa ASAP. Eric has some pics more fitting the Pulitzer. Itsalanche from Dr. Glenn Reynolds.
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Kinetics attracts attention and media accordingly. Should a photo incite viewers to have a negative opinion of the United States, the fault is the scene captured, not of the reporter taking the image.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 04, 2005 06:45 PM (fufbw)
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But selection is 90% of presentation. Of the thousands of photos which could have been shown, most of the ones chosen show the U.S. in a negative light.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 04, 2005 07:11 PM (JQjhA)
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They gave it to ARAFAT dont forget and they gave it to JINMMY CARTER and although carter was no terrorists he has associated with tyrants like CASTRO
Posted by: sandpiper at April 04, 2005 09:06 PM (pN5ZK)
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Is someone confusing Pulitzer with something else?
Posted by: gryrooster at April 04, 2005 10:08 PM (CBNGy)
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Pulitzer....Nobel...what's the difference?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 04, 2005 10:27 PM (JQjhA)
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The PP committee certainly lives up to my expectations in that regard. But, do take a closer look at the award for Investigate Journalism and the story associated with it. It is one of the most under-reported scandals of the year. You'll see why everyone else including the Oregonian ignored it... and they sat on it for two decades. I've linked it at my blog.
Posted by: Mr.Atos at April 04, 2005 11:10 PM (9K3Yw)
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Doc S.
You gotta learn you can't let a bunch of facts get in the way of a good gig, man.
Posted by: RicardoVerde at April 04, 2005 11:22 PM (3DOby)
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Did I miss something or were there no other pictures taken in the world lasy year nut in iraq? How could that be?
Posted by: Red at April 04, 2005 11:49 PM (gU2pl)
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I think perhaps this may be a blessing in disguise.
For whatever reason Pulitzer has clearly demonstrated through the majority of these pictures why we have an obligation to be in IRAQ taking care of business.
Posted by: Mr E.M.T. at April 05, 2005 12:03 AM (tUmDH)
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Upon closer inspection of the Pulitzer photos, the haunting image of young Mohammad Saleem in the roughly hewn wooden coffin hits me like a powerful kick in the chest. Mohammed was killed when American forces brutally machine-gunned him and four other members of his family dead in the street. I encourage Jawa readers to take a few minutes to view this photo of his lifeless 18 month-old body and consider the look on his face. The violence of this hideous, bloody war gives nothing - it takes and keeps taking.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 05, 2005 12:45 AM (fufbw)
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Collin Baber - please take a few minutes to consider why we are in iraq. The photo has the ability to stir pro-terrorist views - such as yours.
The "bloody war" you refer to - we removed a man who killed 2 million of his own people. That is bloody. We are installing the seed of freedom in the worst place of all - and the sound is being heard all over the world.
It was also "bloody" to fight Hitler - but thank God we did. Or we would all be saying "Gott seit dank".
Posted by: GreatDane at April 05, 2005 03:37 AM (6GN8H)
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I have a breakdown of the AP's Pulitzer-winning photos by content here.
My findings:
• U.S. troops injured, dead, or mourning: 3
(2, 3, 11)
• Iraqi civillians harmed by the war: 7
(4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 13, 1
• Insurgents looking determined or deadly: 3
(6, 15, 20)
• US troops looking overwhelmed or uncertain: 3
(7, 12, 14)
• US troops controlling Iraqi prisoners: 2
(16, 17)
• Iraqis celebrating attacks on US forces: 2
(1, 19)
Equally telling is what the photos don't show:
• US forces looking heroic: 0
• US forces helping Iraqi civillians: 0
• Iraqis expressing support for US forces: 0
• Iraqis expressing opposition to insurgents: 0
• Insurgents looking determined or deadly: 3
(6, 15, 20)
• US troops looking overwhelmed or uncertain: 3
(7, 12, 14)
• US troops controlling Iraqi prisoners: 2
(16, 17)
• Iraqis celebrating attacks on US forces: 2
(1, 19)
Equally telling is what the photos don't show:
• US forces looking heroic: 0
• US forces helping Iraqi civillians: 0
• Iraqis expressing support for US forces: 0
• Iraqis expressing opposition to insurgents: 0Posted by: GaijinBiker at April 05, 2005 03:56 AM (zydfd)
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Who gives a crap what that photo stirs up. Terrorists don't need an excuse to murder innocents. They don't care about iraqis dying. They kill iraqis every freaking day. You really think that picture stirs up terrorist sympathizers? It might have before their dad got blown up signing up for the iraqi national guard.
So instead of worrying about what the picture is going to do, why don't you try acknowledging that it freaking happened. Why don't you acknowledge that innocents are dying everyday. Everyone loves to remind us that 3000 innocents died on 9-11. Why is it that everytime a photo reminding us that over 18,000+ innocents have died in Iraq turns up you dismiss it as "terrorist propoganda."
Put aside your paranoid propoganda fears and pray for the poor child and the rest of the people in iraq who have to put up with that shit. The worst thing you can do is PRETEND like that little child didn't die at all.
Now go ahead and call me a traitor. I would rather be a traitor and mourn the losses of this war (ON BOTH SIDES) than be a heartless ignorant who pretends its not happening at all.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 04:12 AM (jcSwY)
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Dear GreatDane,
Please be assured, this dissenter of the Bushian Cult wants peace, order and good government in Iraq. I pray every day for Zarqawi's capture.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 05, 2005 07:37 AM (fufbw)
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"Bushian Cult"
Greyrooster: Shall we toast our leader with a Jonestown martini?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 08:37 AM (x+5JB)
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Jim,
Well said.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 08:48 AM (/+dAV)
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I reluctantly agree with Jim. If innocents have to die, the least we owe them is to acknowledge their deaths. I always look at pictures of the innocent dead. It anguishes me, but it's the price I pay for supporting this mission.
Posted by: Carlos at April 05, 2005 09:02 AM (paKD6)
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"More Empty Rhetoric for Veterans",
By Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)
http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=5451
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 09:08 AM (/+dAV)
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"The Jawa Report must therefore decline it's Pulitzer Prize. I might consider taking the $10,000 reward as soon as the Pulitzer committee stops hating America."
Hey, that aprostophe shouldn't be in there. Maybe you should learn how to use punctuation correctly before criticizing Pulitzer Prizes awarded for journalism.
Ta!
Posted by: Terrence at April 05, 2005 09:09 AM (SEFvy)
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Check out these pictures of crispy Fallujan's. It's from the new version of napalm - white phosphorous.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m10211&l=i&size=1&hd=0
WARNING--EXTREMELY GRAPHIC
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 09:41 AM (/+dAV)
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Greg: How do we know that these poor souls are not some of Saddam's victims?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 09:48 AM (x+5JB)
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Rusty, Dale Dribble says phone home.
Hank
Posted by: Hank Hill at April 05, 2005 10:02 AM (kcvS3)
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Hey Terrence,
Learn how to spell apostrophe.
Posted by: meg at April 05, 2005 10:14 AM (6mUkl)
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Greg: How do we know that these poor souls are not some of Saddam's victims?
Posted by Young Bourbon Professional at April 5, 2005 09:48 AM
YBP, I know in your heart you don't really believe that.
Did you check out those horrific pictures? The people look like leather with bones and teeth coming through.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 10:37 AM (/+dAV)
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Greg: I was truly asking in earnest. I did look at the pictures. truly horrible and sad that this happened to ANYONE.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 10:49 AM (x+5JB)
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White phosphorous is not new. It's been around for decades. Every military in the world has WP munitions. And it is not a replacement for napalm. Before the criticism of the military, it might help to know a little something about the subject.
Posted by: nobody important at April 05, 2005 10:56 AM (SHPL6)
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those are nice pics
Posted by: actus at April 05, 2005 11:14 AM (CqheE)
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White Phosphorous is as loathsome as any napthal/petroleum mix. Water accelerates the chemical reaction as do cellular fluids, hence the melting of flesh.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 11:24 AM (/+dAV)
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Bottom line.
WP is a chemical weapon of mass destruction.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 11:26 AM (/+dAV)
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I see the hate America first cult is out in numbers today. Yes, war is terrible, to say otherwise is to lie. But consider that for the Iraqi's, the alternative was just as terrible, and that the dealing of death occuring now will eventually stop. Under Saddam, there was no such hope.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 05, 2005 11:42 AM (jPCiN)
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If your definition of 'chemical weapons' is any weapon made from chemicals then practically all modern weapons are chemical weapons. WP munitions are normally used for illumination or as incindiaries. They don't have a very large dispersal range, thus cannot qualify as a weapon of mass destruction (as opposed to some type of gas).
Posted by: nobody important at April 05, 2005 11:47 AM (SHPL6)
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I notice they snubbed Susan Lucci again this year. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HOW MANY LIMBS DOES MAX CLELAND HAVE TO LOSE FOR SUSAN LUCCI TO GET A STINKING PULITZER PRIZE?
Posted by: Liberal Larry at April 05, 2005 11:47 AM (7ldvV)
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Anyone: How does WP "work"? is it fired? A gas? Assuming the people in the photos were victims, how did they die?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 12:08 PM (x+5JB)
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Ha! Suzanne Lucci!!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 05, 2005 12:08 PM (JQjhA)
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It's nice to see that the libbys here can take a pic and read EVERYTHING INTO IT!
"Hey!! There is a pic of a dead baby!!! Let's blame it on the American troops!!"
"But....where is your evidence that American troops did that?"
"SHUT UP DO NOT QUESTION MY LOGIC I AM RIGHT!!!"
The libby m00nbats do not understand war
and thank GOD they lost the last election
Posted by: bunnymud at April 05, 2005 12:10 PM (iEtZ1)
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As if after Rathegate anyone needs more proof that the MSM hates America. Well here it is!
Posted by: Rod Stanton at April 05, 2005 12:17 PM (Wcsda)
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To greg, jim, and collin Baber; where was all your anguish over the innocent dead during Saddam's heyday? Where were you when Saddam gassed the Kurds and murdered Shia'? Where was your outrage and anguish over Rwanda? Where is your anguish and rage over Darfur, over the Congo? Gee, I guess its 'cool'as long as 'people of color' kill their own. Your 'feelings' are cheap, convienient, and pathetic.
On a practical matter, this is a war where the enemy use suicidal fanatics to drive explosive filled vehicles of various types into US or Iraqi troops and civilians. When a vehicle ignores posted signs, barriers, yelling, hand waving, and warning shots and keeps getting closer then we shoot the vehicle. The bad guys rarely wear anything indentifiable as a uniform. And they will carry the wife and kids along during battle hoping that gets them past or close to US forces. US troops are never happy about these accidental shootings. For that matter, accidental shootings of one's own troops or friendly civilians has a long, sad history in war and also police work.
The caption I have seen accompanying the photo of the dead child gives no indication of the circumstances of the shooting. Was it during the open warfare in Sadr City last year? Was it a checkpoint mishap? As usual the press is very bad at giving any context to events in Iraq, other than that of an anti-US troops or of an 'anti-US in general' nature. I saw it my first tour in Iraq and it continues into my second.
KJB43
Posted by: KJB43 at April 05, 2005 12:23 PM (l+guQ)
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White Phosphorous munitions are usually artillery rounds packed with WP. I'm not sure of the exact chemical properties, but I do know that it is highly pyroforic, that is it burns intensely. It kills by burning, however, it isn't normally used to kill as it would be very inaccurate. I've fired these types of rounds from a variety of artillery pieces (105mm, 155mm) using timed fuses so that the round explodes and ignites high overhead to illuminate an area. Of couse, pieces of burning WP eventually fall to the ground and if you are unfortunate to have it fall on you, you are in danger of being severly burned, perhaps fatally.
The idea that these types of rounds would be used as anti-personnel weapons is not realistic. Since artillery batteries have much more destructive rounds at their disposal, it wouldn't make sense to use WP in that manner. The artillery batteries would be miles away, and if the 'evil' US forces wanted to destroy a village full of 'innocent' Iraqis, I'm sure we'd use high explosives to much greater effect. Of course, if we wanted to give anti-US media outlets a reason to bewail the visciouness of our evil weapons, then perhaps WP would do in a pinch.
Posted by: nobody important at April 05, 2005 12:36 PM (SHPL6)
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KJB43-
Uh, are we discussing Saddam's evil regime? Are we discussing Rwanda, Darfur or the Congo? NO. Very silly of you to question my anguish by demanding to know my feelings on other massacres occuring in the world. Should I list everything that is fucked up in the world next time in order to justify my feelings about Iraq? That would be a very long post.
The matter in discussion here is that MANY PEOPLE choose to ignore the fact that innocent iraqis are dying everyday (due to both insurgents and US collateral or mistargeted damage). When photos documenting this unfortunate loss of life turn up, they dismiss them as "terrorist propoganda." I feel that instead of worrying about politics, people should acknowledge the ugliness of war and mourn the loss of innocent life instead of denouncing the photos.
As for those who love to bring up Saddam's evil regime as if it excuses the fact that thousands of Iraqis have died throughout this war, I will say this: Yes Saddam was a monster. Yes he killed his own people. Yes he needed to be overthrown. However, I feel that there were other options. I feel that in this day and age, there is ALWAYS a better option other than WAR. Why not snipe the fucker? Why not instigate a coup or encourage a revolution. I think any option other than invasion would have resulted in less casualties than we have right now. If you can prove that Saddam killed 18,000+ Iraqis (and 3000 US soldiers) every year then perhaps I will change my views on this war. Otherwise, I will believe that there was a better way.
You see KJB43, I didnt want to come out and object to the War outright...I was just making a case for the AP photos in question. You see I dont think there is a point to complain about this War because now that it has started there is no other option but to see it through. Obviously the worst thing that can happen now is for us to leave this situation in its current state. But you bringing up all those other examples of inhumanity simply proves my point. Why make matters worse by adding to the loss of life? With that said, I think it is YOU that is CHEAP and PATHETIC.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 01:17 PM (RMdxJ)
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Water accelerates the chemical reaction as do cellular fluids, hence the melting of flesh.
Silly liberal, willy pete doesn't melt flesh, it freaking incinerates it! Do you know how you can tell you got a handful of WP? You don't have a hand anymore!
But you know what might make them dead folks look the way the do? Fire. Good old fashioned fire.
Poor, deluded liberal. So sad. When the vast majority of decent Iraqis agree with us and are glad we put Saddam in a cell, guess who that leaves for you to be friends with? First hint: You can't visit Saddam.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 01:23 PM (sh7lC)
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Kick his ass Jim!
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 01:26 PM (/+dAV)
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However, I feel that there were other options. I feel that in this day and age, there is ALWAYS a better option other than WAR. Why not snipe the fucker? Why not instigate a coup or encourage a revolution.
Are you serious? Snipe him? You think nobody ever tried that? And for what, to put Uday/Qusay in power? Rumor has it that that coup was about to be put into play when we showed up. That would have been an improvement, huh? Revolution? They've tried that too. Ever hear of Halabja? How about the Shia uprising after GW I? Any idea how that worked out?
You know what we didn't try? We didn't ask nicely for Saddam to please stop slaughtering people, pillaging their wealth and just leave them alone and be nice to everyone.
I'm sure he would have done that, because a nice guy like Saddam understands that there is ALWAYS a better option than WAR.
I'll bet the Kuwatis understand that too, huh?
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 01:31 PM (sh7lC)
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Melts or incinerates. BFD. It's still a barbaric weapon.
I wonder how many innocents stayed behind in Falujjah. I read a report that men between the ages of 16 and 60 were turned back and not allowed to evacuate.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 01:33 PM (/+dAV)
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Pablo, I wish I could visit Saddam so I could shoot him myself. And you are right, many Iraqis agree with the US AFTER the invasion. Then again they are alive to experience its rewards in god knows how long it takes for the madness to end. Unfortunately we cant ask the 18000+ that are dead how they feel.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 01:34 PM (RMdxJ)
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Regarding Halabja where 5000 innocent Iraqiis were slaughtered. Halabja iis on the Iranian border and in 1988 when the incident occured Iraq was our ally and the Iraqiis were lobbing chemical weapons at the Iranians with our approval. In 1988, we the righteous Americans said the Hallaba massacre was the work of the Iranians as thhe Iraqis have allways claimed. Saddam was our boy so don't go getting too sanctimoniuos Pablo.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 01:41 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg, the point is that it's generally not used as an anti-personnel weapon. It's used largely for illumination, creating smokescreens and burning stationary objects such as weapons caches.
What ways of killing the enemy do you approve of, silly liberal? Why don't you go back to uruknet and ask your jihadi friends how they'd like to be killed? Inquiring minds....
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 01:44 PM (sh7lC)
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Pablo you love to bring up the vast amount of influence and power that Saddam's regime enjoyed in its "good days" but the Iraq of 2 years ago was a very different place. Uday was a crippled bastard who unfortunatly survived an assasination attempt by who many believe was his own brother. The Saddam family was too busy trying to kill each other so I don't see how hard it is for us to help the process. We all know there were no WMD and after decades of sanctions imposed on the country, Saddam was in no shape to attack another Kuwait or gas entire provinces. All he could do was publically execute his citizens every now and then in an attempt to scare them into submission. So stop trying to pretend like Saddam was about to take over the world. More Iraqis were dying from starvation due to imposed sanctions than what Saddam was doing. There HAD to be a better way.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 01:46 PM (RMdxJ)
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greg, Saddam was the lesser of 2 evils as far as we were concerned. Iraq was a Soviet client state, which is why they flew Mig's and not F series fighters. Saddam was Russia's boy. I'm beginning to think you're too stupid to have this discussion with, as you plainly have no ideaa what you're talking about. Sometimes things actually happen in the world that aren't our doing. I know it's tough for you to believe that, but it's true.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 01:49 PM (sh7lC)
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There you go Pablo! Once you run out of shit to say just call us "silly liberals" and say that we are friends with the jihadists. You have lost the plot ENTIRELY. There is no point in arguing with you.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 01:50 PM (RMdxJ)
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Jim, those would be those horrible sanctions that were killing untold thousands of poor Iraqis, while Saddam, Kofi, Kojo, Fwance, Germany, Russia, et al made a mockery of the OIF program and lined their pockets with the cash intended to feed people and buy medicine, right?
Uday was still hearty enough to be raping and killing, and those folks have been coming to power by killing each other for a long time.
We all know there were no WMD
So what was in all those trucks that crossed into Syria while we advanced toward Baghdad? If you know what wasn't in them, surely you know what was.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 01:54 PM (sh7lC)
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"Greg, the point is that it's generally not used as an anti-personnel weapon. " Pablo
Well, it was in Fallujah you "silly" blood lusting fascist.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 01:55 PM (/+dAV)
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Jim baby, I called greg a silly liberal because it's glaringly obvious that he's a couple sandwiches short of a picnic. You seem to have at least a tenuous grasp of some facts which greg clearly does not. Of course, if you're feeling silly, I won't argue the point.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 01:57 PM (sh7lC)
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See what I mean, Jim?
greg finds some idiotic thing like "WP is a WMD!" and just can't let go of it, regardless of the facts. You're not that stupid, are you?
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 01:59 PM (sh7lC)
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"So what was in all those trucks that crossed into Syria while we advanced toward Baghdad?" Pablo
Now you're making stuff up. Face it, when Bush said they had WMD it was a lie so scared Mommies would send their babies to war. The first casualty of war is the truth and your truth is in a body bag. Silly!
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 02:03 PM (/+dAV)
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SILLY PABLO!
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 02:06 PM (/+dAV)
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In 1991 we said the Iraqis were stealing incubators from Kuwaiti neonatal hospitals and dumping the babies on the cold floor to die.
In WWII we said the BUCK--TOOTHED Japs were bayonetting Phillipino babies and that Philipino mothers were jumping off cliffs with baby in hand to avoid dying at the end of a bayonnet.
These are "silly" lies used to provoke themmasses into a war pitched hysteria and make everybody "silly".
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 02:13 PM (/+dAV)
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greg, if i thought you could read and comprehend it, I'd send you over here and refer you to the Kay report, and let you explain what it was that went to Syria...
But, since I know you've got the IQ of a goldfish, I won't bother. You really should be back at uruknet sucking up the slop you're fed.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 02:23 PM (sh7lC)
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Give it up Pablo. If you met a liberal that would admit he didn't have all the facts, or was quick to source his 'facts' then he wouldn't be a liberal.
Remember, it is far worse for us to have killed 18,000 or so Iraqi's than it was for Saddam to have killed hundreds of thousands, to have rape rooms, to have spent the money designated for the starving children on palaces and bribes, to have actually used WMD both on Iran and the Kurds, to have started multiple wars against his neighbors, and to have financed and harbored terrorism in the region. Why? Well, you see Bush 'lied', the US once allowed slavery......
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 05, 2005 02:24 PM (jPCiN)
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Pablo, I am not going to sit here and pretend like I know everything. But I know how to refute arguements from people based on the things that I DO know. I am not speaking for greg or Colin or anyone else here. I have also never referred to anyone here as a "silly republican." I am just presenting my views and personally would rather have an intelligent discussion rather than be dismissed as a "silly liberal," "traitor" or "terrorist."
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 02:24 PM (RMdxJ)
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Jim, as I've mentioned, I was referring and will continue to refer to the moron in the room as such. The remark was not directed at you, and I don't intend to explain that for a third time.
It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with someone who is remarkably unintelligent, such as our friend greg. If you've got an argument, by all means present it. At this point, greg ought not bother.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 02:31 PM (sh7lC)
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Pablo,
What went to Syria? I want to hear this BS about how the Syyrians have WMD and we should attack them next. The lie worked once. You fascists should stick with it. Who should we get next?
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 02:33 PM (/+dAV)
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Defense Guy- I would post a retort but I would be repeating everything I said to Pablo. The things you speak of occured more than 2 decades ago. Perhaps we should have invaded Iraq then but we were too busy giving them money and guns so they could fight Iran. The Iraq of two years ago was a different place. Yes Suddam was still using torture and public execution to scare his people but thats all he had. At least people were not getting blown up trying to get to work. The time was ripe for a revolution. Saddam's regime was crippled. Get that through your head. Or prove to me that Suddam was killing 18000+ iraqis in 2003. You do that and I will not post again on this blog.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 02:34 PM (RMdxJ)
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Jim,
A revolution would well have led to those very people who are blowing people up being in power today, rather than allowing the people to choose. Your idea that the only problem in Iraq as recently as 2 years ago was that Saddam was torturing and killing people is quite telling. Will you now make some lame ass retort about Abu Gahrib or the bombing of innocents as a wat to make them 'equal'?
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 05, 2005 02:38 PM (jPCiN)
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greg, it was the bushitler neoconcabals stock of wmd to plant. Once we got Saddam we didn't need them in iraq anymore so Cheney had Halliburton have Uday (who has been on the CIA payroll for decades) load 'em up and move 'em out.
Quick, go tell all your friends.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 02:39 PM (sh7lC)
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Jim
Prove to me that Saddams regime was crippled, put up or shut up.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 05, 2005 02:39 PM (jPCiN)
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Since I'm new here I don't know all the various personalities who frequent this site. However, it's impossible to have a rational conversation with someone who thinks weapons have qualities other than lethality. It is the use to which these weapons are put that determines what and who is barbaric. If the US specifically targeted those children and specifically chose WP to cause as much agony as possible and used it in a systematic, widespread, campaign to wreak as much havoc on the civilian population, then I would agree that such actions were barbarism. But of course, that is hardly the fact of the matter.
Posted by: nobody important at April 05, 2005 02:40 PM (SHPL6)
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Jim, I'm going to suggest that living under Saddam 2 years ago was far worse than living under him 20 years ago, unless you were part of the cannon fodder he threw at Iran back then. 2 years ago, he was desperate and the country was quite broken. That is not a good combination.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 02:44 PM (sh7lC)
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OK, A fairly good source for numbers is here:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat3.htm#sadhus
Of course the demand to prove what Saddam might have done with the extra 9 months in 2003 is hard to accommodate.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 05, 2005 02:50 PM (jPCiN)
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The groups who are blowing people up today are:
1. Remains of baathist party who supported Suddam.
2. Terrorists from all over the middle east and beyond who have been manipulated by radical "muslims" who promote a twisted version of Islam. They are in Iraq for the sole purpose of fighting against the US, causing mayhem and getting attention for their sick cause.
IF a revolution did indeed take place, I doubt the people who were tired of Suddam's regime would allow a successor from the baathist party or some terrorist. Who knows how it would have ended up. I am not going to assume that suddently everything would have been fine and they would elect a new leader. Perhaps the country would have been hurled into Civil war. But at least the current situation would have been avoided. A situation where iraqis who are trying to sign up for the national guard or a position in office are immediately assasinated by terrorists who use the excuse that "they are helping the US" as a justification for murder. If the US was not involved, then the terrorists would have no excuse. They would simply be killing iraqis and they would face the same opposition as suddam's regime. I doubt they would even be involved as much as they are now.
Put up or shut up? I will when you practice what you preach.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 02:54 PM (RMdxJ)
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"In WWII we said the BUCK--TOOTHED Japs were bayonetting Phillipino babies"
This isn't quite accurate. It was "buck-toothed NIPS"
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 02:54 PM (x+5JB)
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Again, the "twisted version of Islam" that involves killing infidels IS true Islam. Hasn't everyone seen the quotes agaion and again?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 03:01 PM (x+5JB)
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I stand corrected. Buck-tooth NIPS it was.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 03:02 PM (/+dAV)
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I agree with part of Nobody's post. Arguing over the lethality of a weapon is pointless. A nuke'll kill you just like gas, or bullets, or a wire-guided ATGM, or a pencil fromt he putt-putt golf course that gets jabbed in your eye.
But really, the whole "bushitler" tagline is frankly getting old, it'd be nice if those who use it would go out of their way and thought up some new attempts to insult/amuse.
Posted by: Amanda B. Recondwith at April 05, 2005 03:03 PM (RtQcj)
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Bourbon, please lets not go down that road. If ALL Muslims think that killing infidels is true Islam then more than half the population of the WORLD would be after us right now. They are not. Those who think they are, I feel sorry for them.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 03:05 PM (RMdxJ)
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nobody important, there are a number of uses for weapons that needn't be lethal, such as using them to destroy infrastructure (think bridges, roads, airfields, train tracks) or weapons dumps, etc. Even napalm wasn't used for it's lethality, but to clear vegetative cover so as to deny the enemy a hiding place. Of course, that doesn't make you any less dead if you get nailed with it, but that wasn't the intended use. Some weapons most definitely have qualities other than lethality. That is a fact.
As for WP we have weapons far more effective than that for killing people. You'd get a much higher kill rate with high explosive and shrapnel. WP is often used for illumination and cover purposes. Trying to kill people with is would be like trying to stab someone with a spoon while leaving your knife in your pocket. It's possible, but why would you bother? It wouldn't make any sense.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 03:05 PM (sh7lC)
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Jim,
These people could give a darn about the Iraqis and democracy. Basically there just out to avenge 9-11. Afghanistan wasn't enough for these bloood lusters. Now it's Iraq.And when they're done killing brown people in Iraq they'll find some brown muslims somewhere else to kill/"liberate".75% of Americans think that Iraq had something to do with 9-11 and about an equal amount think that we found WMD in Iraq. You can''t reason with these IGNORant people.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 03:09 PM (/+dAV)
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Jim, the same people that are killing Iraqis now would still have been in the mix looking for power. All they want is to replace Saddam, not to democratize. They're anti-democracy, and the people of Iraq are standing up to them in the interest of self-determination.
Posted by: Pablo at April 05, 2005 03:11 PM (sh7lC)
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Greg, yes some just want to avenge 9-11. Others genuinely care about Iraq and feel this was the best way to help. If I assume one way instead of the other, then I would be no better than those who call us "traitors" for stating our opinion. I am not going to try to stop reasoning with ignorant people. That would be like ignoring the fact that the poor child in the AP photo (and 18000 others) died because of this War. However, I am going to have to stop reasoning for the time being because its time for me to get some lunch. Take care everyone.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 03:16 PM (RMdxJ)
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And YBP,
as a Catholic you should know bettter than to speak such evil about an entire religion. JPII knew better and tried to teach us so. He may be dead but you can still learn from him.
Some of our religious leaders have made some outrageous quotes too. But I don't blame all Christians I just assume a "christian" who didn't know what he was saying let his mouth flap a little.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 03:17 PM (/+dAV)
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Jim: True, if all Muslims were "good" Muslims, then they would be after all non-Muslims. But most Muslims don't take the Koran to heart and are content to "get along"--thank God.
Greg: I'm not speaking "evil" about a religion, I'm speaking the truth. Islam as a false religion by several Popes. The idea that "all roads lead to heaven" has been labeled as indifferentism and latitudinarianism by a past pope--heresies. JPII "dialogued" with leaders of other religions, but this does not mean that the Church condones these religions as pleasing to God. many of the faithful were confused by some of these actions. And the confusion continues. The ambiguous writings of Vatican II again rear their ugly heads.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 03:34 PM (x+5JB)
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YBP,
Many more popes were even harsher on "the Jesus killers", but JPII reached out for a reconciliation with Jews, Muslims and Orthodox Christians, inter alia. JPII is being mourned in Muslim countries. I'm sure the next pope will continue on this path.
Posted by: greg at April 05, 2005 04:00 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg: Yes, Christians have wrongly accused the Jews as killing Christ, but we know this is silly. Christ (the man) was Himself a Jew. The sins of mankind were responsible, not a people. And we should reach out to others of different beliefs to tell the Good News--Christ's own mandate ("Go out and teach all nations," etc.). Pax!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 04:06 PM (x+5JB)
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A confession from a photographer working for the terrorists in Iraq was videotaped by the Iraqi police. The video is on memritv.org, a link to the transcript is below.
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=625
There was another accusation by an Egyptian who escaped the terrorists who were holding him captive in Fallujah. He told reporters that a stringer used by Al Jazeera filmed him prior to his expected execution.
It is odd Pulitzer left that off the list of honorable reporting from Iraq. Cooperating with terrorists to film hostage videos seems to be on par with the level of journalistic integrity that the Pulitzer committee recognizes of late.
Posted by: Cog at April 05, 2005 04:35 PM (UxviT)
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I showed you mine Jim, and you have yet to show me yours. Show me where you get your facts that the regime was crippled.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 05, 2005 04:42 PM (jPCiN)
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A point for all the arguers: it does help to know what one is talking about and to present it carefully with an eye to prevent misrepresentation. To wit: WP is used mainly to illuminate rather than to kill. High explosive amunition rounds are more effective at killing than WP rounds. There were no chemical, biological, or nuclear devices used in Fallujah. Kuwaitis stated that Iraqis were dumping neonates out of their incubators. No precise numbers on coalition-caused civilian deaths in Iraq since the coalition invasion are known, and the estimates that have been made by certain newspapers and medical journals are fatally flawed since they count terrorist deaths as civilian deaths and terrorist-caused deaths as coalition-caused. There are no Pulitzer Prize-award-winning photographs documenting Saddam's rule of terror because Iraq was a fascist state. There are such awards for photographs documenting the recent Iraq war because the coalition forces are not fascists. War is a terrible business. Although there were reports of truck convoys headed into Syria before the Iraq war in 2003, not much has surfaced to corroborate those reports. Components of Saddam Husseins illicit WMD program have turned up outside of Iraq since its fall.
There. Hope that helps.
MakeMineRed
Posted by: MakeMineRed at April 05, 2005 04:49 PM (0bFUM)
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Half the population of the world is Muslim. Ignorance at its best.
Pablo you are wasteing your time. As I mentioned before. A snake is a snake and a traitor is a traitor. It's more productive to hang them than listen to them.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 05:50 PM (CBNGy)
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Thanks for the kind words and the link, Dr. Shackleford.
I thought you were already on the Riding Sun blogroll, but much to my dismay, it appears you are not. Rest assured that this situation will be remedied shortly.
Posted by: GaijinBiker at April 05, 2005 05:58 PM (moROy)
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Half the world is not Muslim. There are @ 1 billion Muslims in the world. By comparison, China and India each have @ 1 billion people and @ 1 billion people in the world self-identify as Catholics.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 05, 2005 05:59 PM (JQjhA)
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Perhaps I exagerated a bit on the percentage of the world population. In either case, I am pretty sure the number is about 1.3 billion and growing every year. My point remains the same.
Its rather ironic that the most ignorant asshole on this blog is the one that points this out.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 06:11 PM (RMdxJ)
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not only that...but he used his magic word again: traitor. Brilliant.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 06:19 PM (RMdxJ)
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Nice of you to share those insightful observations Beth! Rusty, so much for left wing and right wing bloggers holding a debate eh? I really like Beth's mentallity.
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2005 10:30 PM (jcSwY)
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Still no word from Jim on how Saddam's regime was crippled, how shocking.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 06, 2005 08:44 AM (jPCiN)
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First, all of you wingnuts:
We went to war over WMDs. We can't give a Pulitzer for a picture of nothing.
Second, newspapers are NOT PR agencies of the United States goverment (unless your name is the NY Times and your reporter is Judith Miller).
If you don't like it, watch the mind control of Faux News.
Posted by: SocraticGadfly at April 06, 2005 02:15 PM (cvVq7)
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OK moonbat - show me where the only reason we went to war was over WMD. I will grant you that it was one of the reasons given, but it was not the only one. So, once again I will ask a moonbat for proof of his claims.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 06, 2005 03:46 PM (jPCiN)
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Moonbats don't prove. They just claim.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 06, 2005 06:40 PM (CBNGy)
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Dear Greyrooster,
We're still waiting for you to verify the Fallujah quote claim.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 06, 2005 09:50 PM (FV4oJ)
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No, newspapers aren't communications organs of the US Govt. They're the propaganda tools of the vague cloud of gas oozing out of New York City, Hollywood, and most of the Ivy League Universities. Same damned instruction on race, sex, and culture in general.
Check out www.fredoneverything.net and you'll see what I mean.
Posted by: JG22 at April 07, 2005 02:03 AM (1mRPJ)
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Just thought I'd post to tell you that you're a bloody idiot. If you don't like pictures of people who've had their limbs blown off, then don't support stupid, pointless wars that you can not win.
Posted by: badnewswade at April 09, 2005 01:09 PM (kpZhP)
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Just what we need a pulizer prize to a terrorists but lets not forget the nobel peace prize going to arafat and jimmy carter
Posted by: sandpiper at August 12, 2005 08:44 AM (MNa1O)
April 01, 2005
Pope Dying
Drudge Report claims Pope is dead dying. Rest in Peace.
[A tip from Hyscience who tells me that earlier reports based on mistranslation. Word was 'dying', not 'died']
As I said yesterday, I'm not a Catholic, but Pope John Paul II helped bring down the evil empire that was the Soviet Union. For that I am sure he has a place in heaven. God speed. more...
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The Pope is dead. Long live the Pope.
Posted by: Carlos at April 01, 2005 01:04 PM (8e/V4)
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Rusty,
All the reports I'm getting indicate that the Pope has not died but is dying. The dying matter has to do with no hope of recovery and worsening. Fox News has had it wrong twice due to the faulty translation of a single word.
Posted by: Richard at April 01, 2005 01:35 PM (xFeJi)
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Ahhh......
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 01, 2005 01:38 PM (JQjhA)
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Not quite dead.
Posted by: Ob Snooks at April 01, 2005 01:39 PM (yBHNA)
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So get rid of this whole post and start with a new one.... Pope still alive.... At this point that statement will make more of an impact!!
Chris
Posted by: Chris at April 01, 2005 01:40 PM (5ZMI7)
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Wouldn't it be nice if the Pope jumps up and says April fool. I've allways respected him. He spoke out when it wasn't popular. Through courage he quickened the end of the soviet empire. Helping to give millions their choice of religion or lack thereof. A good man who will be missed.
The next pope will be an Italian. Hope he is as good as this one.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 05:42 PM (CBNGy)
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LOL
Rooster my hubby said the same thing today
Posted by: sparky at April 01, 2005 06:23 PM (F1nba)
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I only hope the liberal moonbats wait a while before they start complaining about him being too conservative.
We all know they will start sooner or later.
Crap MSNBC just mentioned it. Here it goes. Too pro life, Too anti-Abortion, too conservative on gay rights issues. Blah, blah, blah.
They should at least have the decency to wait until he's buried. He's not even dead yet.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 02, 2005 06:33 AM (CBNGy)
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You can change that statement back from "dying" to dead, Rusty. The Pope has just passed away.
May he rest in peace.
:-(
Posted by: Laura at April 02, 2005 03:14 PM (L3PPO)
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I'm quite glad the replacement-of-Jeesus-on-Earth finally ended his miserable, demented, senile life and passed on to find out there is no god nor afterlife.
Posted by: A Finn at April 04, 2005 05:04 AM (cWMi4)
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A Finn: You sound like a real happy soul. Have a good day!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 04, 2005 07:18 AM (x+5JB)
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WHAT AN ASSHOLE.
Posted by: Laura at April 04, 2005 09:03 AM (L3PPO)
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Perhaps it is time everyone admitted that there is no point in spending a lifetime waiting to die and go to a place that doesn't exist. This 50-120 years is all we'll ever have, and there is no use wasting even a second of it in mourning people you've never met or praying to a thing that never responds.
Posted by: A Finn at April 04, 2005 02:24 PM (lGolT)
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A Finn:
Read what is traditionally referred to as Pascal's Wager in his "Pensées."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 04, 2005 03:06 PM (x+5JB)
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A Finn: There's a way to express your fellings and beliefs without being an asshole. You and I may agree in religious beliefs, However, why be an prick when there's no advantage?
If there is no God, How will the recently departed Pope know there's not such thing? Hang in there A Finnn. Hang in there.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 12:34 AM (CBNGy)
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Young Bourbon Professional: I dislike reading, since if one gets into the text, the text becomes what one is thinking, and one can't criticize it during the reading. Therefore it would actually influence my opinions, so I shall only find out what the main frames of the text are and think about em.
Greyrooster: To your question why be a prick, I shall comment, that this is the perfect time to influence the minds of the foolish, who might read such things as this. Since they now lack a person they can all consider better and way more worthy than themselves, they have a hole in their lives, which they need to fill with either going to their areas of worship the supposed divine being controlling their lives, or then they need to give up on old beliefs and find new ways of behaviour, which they seek from other people, perhaps the internet.(really I just am an annoying person when it comes to dealing with people who actually believe in things they can't prove, but thats a fancier reason, therefore that should be considered first) To the other: surely when one is dying and notices nothing special is happening, one understands "this is it, I'm gone forever, man I should've lived better."(on the other hand, if one is a Jehovas witness, the ressurecting would happen thousands of years after ones death to fight in the harmageddon against Satan...well pretty much no-one is and only 100'000 most believing of them get in there so don't bother considering such a thing)
Personally, I'm evangelish lutheran, but that doesn't really mean a thing, since 85% of Finns are, and about 80% of those are just in it because burials and weddings are cheaper that way.
Posted by: A Finn at April 05, 2005 02:20 AM (cWMi4)
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Terribly off-topic... Oh well. R.I.P. to the Pope anyway
Posted by: A Finn at April 05, 2005 02:22 AM (cWMi4)
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=) Pascal's wager was one of a wiseman indeed.
But now I feel like I should take a chance on getting into Valhalla instead of heaven, so I shall start believing in Odin. Or perhaps I should take a chance on getting into Nirvana... Just because there are a lot of Christians their(my?) god is not necessarily the most likely one to exist. Should start experimenting with religions that have a rebirth-system, might be fun to be an animal or an insect for a few years/months/weeks.
Posted by: A Finn at April 05, 2005 08:27 AM (lGolT)
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Extremely sorry for all the off-topic-stuff, I shall write no more unless agitated to do so. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust... and the next pope will be african if there is a god.
Posted by: A Finn at April 05, 2005 08:31 AM (lGolT)
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A Finn: Drugs are legal where you live, right?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 08:44 AM (x+5JB)
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Careful A Finn: Odin is my quy. I know I will go to Valhalla. That is, if I die with a sword in my hand. Which is the way to go.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 06:21 PM (CBNGy)
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Bourbon: No, but the booze is really cheap and its legal to make your own if you have the government approved equipment for it.
Greyrooster: Actually, as long as you don't die of old age, sickness, by accident or by a punishment from law enforcers, you will go to either Odins or Reginleifs (his daughter according to Viking mythology) Valhalla army, and if you kill yourself you go straight to Odin and get magical powers. (DON'T! I'd be blamed...) Otherwise you go to Hel, the half-dead daughter of Odin, whose realm is actually the same which all bad Christians go to, since hell as the catholic church knows it, was invented, when the traditional Jewish belief of evil people just disappearing forever didn't scare enough people into paying the church. (Sort of admitting there are other gods that Jahve, Jeesus and the Holy Ghost, don't you think?)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 02:28 AM (cWMi4)
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One more thing: "The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom. The knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.", (proverbs 9:10) ...this one bothers me.
"Herran pelko on viisauden alku, Pyhän tunteminen on ymmärryksen perusta." is how it is in the Finnish bible, the first bit is same, but the second bit is " ...knowing what the Holy One is, is the basis of understanding it."
Your Bible says you only need to understand, that because the Book has Gods wisdom in it, God is.
Ours says we should study God to find out what, where and why it is, and then study whatever comes from it to us in the form of signs and miracles to better understand the supernatural creature holding the ultimate power over all universe.
So... why is your Bible telling you "it is, because it is, now shut up about it" and ours is saying "study the religion, find God and then learn to understand what it is trying to do, say or teach"???
(Oh smite me, Holy One, if this is against thy will =P)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 04:18 AM (cWMi4)
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A Finn: Hell was referenced in the OT as well (sheol).
Are you putting any time constraints on God's "smiting"?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 06, 2005 10:18 AM (x+5JB)
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Smiting should naturally appear at the time of the deed, otherwise it would be quite useless.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 10:38 AM (lGolT)
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Our time or God's?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 06, 2005 11:44 AM (x+5JB)
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During my time preferrably, but apparently God has seen through my texts and interpreted them otherwise, and understood that such heretic writings will only strenghthen the faith of those already fanatic, make people forget all their sorrows and concentrate large amounts of hatered to me and feel better afterwards, and also tip the atheist further away into the deep dark depth of doubt, which may drive em back to the flock of believing people who need no explanation for what happens and are efficient in wasting their lives in working to please the Lord and thinking they'll be happy after their dead. (God might've also seen that this doesn't really lead anywhere, and doesn't want to interfere in the business of men, while he is watching over a more populated and interresting planet in a galaxy far, far away...)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 12:43 PM (lGolT)
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It's actually quite an interresting idea this eternal soul. Transferring peoples minds and ways of thinking to another level of existence in a fictional environment without the subject knowing he himself no longer exists and the thing he is, is only exactly like him, but lives in a different realm.
This might make eternal life possible, if the body could be linked to a computer strong enough to run a believeable environment without at some part of the process stopping the brainflow, so the person would not die somewhere between the transfers. Then some idiot would link the computer to the internet and the being would control all machines on earth, or worse, some screenscrewing hackedydoo would start altering the realm and create a paradox the program couldn't handle, and the person would die...
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 12:51 PM (lGolT)
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Finn: Do I have Martin Luther to thank for all this?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 06, 2005 01:11 PM (x+5JB)
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Sure, sure, thank Luther, while you're at it, thank the person running this interresting, somehow way too far on the right, web site.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 02:09 PM (lGolT)
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Actually, who you really should thank for my religious views, is Mikael Agricola, the Finn who translated the Bible in Finnish back in the year 1550.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 05:27 AM (cWMi4)
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"1550."
After Luther cut out parts he disagreed with, eh? Not good.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 08:56 AM (x+5JB)
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He translated the Russian Orthodox one, actually.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 09:43 AM (lGolT)
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"Russian Orthodox"
Schismatics! Satan's way to divide and conquer!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 10:06 AM (x+5JB)
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The Book is pretty much the same, Russian Orthodox bible just had all the books of both sides, so it to Agricola was the one that should be translated to Finnish, so all Christian literature could be examined in Finnish
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 10:18 AM (lGolT)
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One MILLION Polish people, 200'000 Spaniards and about 800'000 people from other countries have gather in Vatican for the Pope's burial, so I guess he is really important to strongly Catholic societies. Popular person, made more saints than any other before, hard man to replace for the next leader of the faith.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 01:44 PM (lGolT)
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Finn: My point is that Christ said He was founding one Church, and the RC one is the only one that can trace its roots back to A.D. 33. All other Protestant ones are 1,500 too late! The Church would also have a visible leader, and all popes can be traced back to St. Peter. The Church is like a living tree--the minute a branch breaks off, it is cut of from the source of its Guiding Spirit. That's why I left the man-made church I once belonged to. I studied the issue for years.
I'm not coming back to the archives any more--I'm sure we can continue the discussion on a more current blog, okay?
Pax.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 03:39 PM (x+5JB)
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Certainly.
Posted by: A Finn at April 08, 2005 02:50 AM (cWMi4)
Berger Pleads Guilty to Stealing Classified Documents
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Did Berger invent the intelligence in those documents?
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 01, 2005 08:37 AM (fufbw)
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Three cheers for the Fallujah resistence! May Fallujah become the graveyard of imperialists.
Quote posted by COLLIN BABER on another blog 11/05/2004.
In referring to COLLIN BABER another blog addresses him as juvenile tripe.
In another: as first class nut job.
In another: Collin Baber has returned to give LIE to the lefts protestations.
In another: Collin Baber is insane.
And it goes on and on and on.
This leftist liar is rapidly becoming the most hated traitor on the planet.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 08:54 AM (FdNoz)
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>>>"Three cheers for the Fallujah resistence! May Fallujah become the graveyard of imperialists."
that's disgusting. I'm starting to understand where rooster's coming from.
Collin, you aren't for "non-violence" or peace. You're just for the other side. And that does make you a traitor.
Posted by: Carlos at April 01, 2005 09:09 AM (8e/V4)
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Just an observation...Collin's posts seem very cold, very detached, almost not human. Little emotion. Sparing use of contractions. The language sems stilted and overly formal.
I think an alien life form has taken over the once-real Collin--the one his parents used to bounce on their knees when he was a little tyke--and have created...Colon Babbler, Left-Winger from a Far-Away Planet who seems to say outlandish things just to get a rise out of us earthlings.
Does this seem far-fetched?
'Fess up, Collin! Take us to your leader!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 01, 2005 09:27 AM (x+5JB)
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He plea barganed for a misdemeanor. Bush's folk are going soft. Sandy will do no hard time!
Greyroosterb - - you catch Collin and I'll put a round in him. Or use my K-bar - your choice.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at April 01, 2005 12:31 PM (2pT/w)
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This insignificant little fraction of a speck of nothing, Collin, is like the guy who pushes people into the pool at a pool party because he thinks everyone will laugh and think he's cool. But nobody ever laughs, except for the other losers like him.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 01, 2005 01:12 PM (0yYS2)
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Berger should have his balls smacked about with a non stick frying pan.
Posted by: Obsnooks at April 01, 2005 01:41 PM (yBHNA)
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Who cuts things up "by accident" with scissors? I mean, it's not like he crumpled them up and casually tossed them, which is how most people casually toss out trash.
Another goon found out from the Clinton Administration.
Obsnooks is on to something.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 01, 2005 02:57 PM (x+5JB)
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Berger pled guilty for a misdemeanor! A misdemeanor for trying to steal sensitive information from the National Archives! That's what you'd get for trying to steal a book from a local library.
Posted by: electronicIDF at April 01, 2005 05:02 PM (MBd2J)
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So many ways to interpret that picture... I won't even begin.
Posted by: electronicIDF at April 01, 2005 05:04 PM (MBd2J)
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Bourbons' observation is very astute. This person travels from blog to blog screaming the same garbage in a mono tone. Makes you wonder?
Is someone or group giving this shithead instructions?\
Come on Rod. Your so old you used a M-1 Carbine. Gas operated, 8 round clip. Admit it. I hated it when they insisted I use that sissy M-16. How about the Browning BAR. Whack em at 1000 yds. They just don't make the good stuff anymore.
Can't wait for the greatest party of the year down here. Starts on November 10th. Birthday of the greatest organization in the history of mankind.
Semper Fi til I die.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 05:28 PM (CBNGy)
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This pic is so great I want to blow it up and put it above my couch.
Posted by: tee bee at April 01, 2005 05:43 PM (q1JHF)
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Hi Greyrooster,
Thank you for your detailed research. Which site has the first quote you mentioned?
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 01, 2005 06:52 PM (fufbw)
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tb, you wanted to blow it up? Or... you wanted to blow it up.
Posted by: electronicIDF at April 01, 2005 08:06 PM (MBd2J)
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Greyrooster,
You are you and I am I. If I said something then I said something, if you said something, then you said something. However, if you say something and claim that I said it, that is not the same as if I had really said it - get it?
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 01, 2005 08:41 PM (fufbw)
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To all. Easy to do your own search. There's hundred's of this traitor's comments. All I did was go to dogpile and type in collin baber. Shit just comes pouring out.
Please remember. This piece of shit is now saying he didn't do it. Apparently this garbage mouth has made so many such posts he can't even remember where. His denial will show all.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 09:49 PM (CBNGy)
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A few more replies to Collin Baber:
Fair minded readers must wonder: Is this man insane.
Collin Baber has chosen to place himself squarely in the camp opposing democracy.
You're so sick with hatred it's a wonder you can function.
This sorry little pit-stain of a being insists on politicizing the sacrifices of his betters.
Mr. Baber: What an unhappy little man you are.
These comments were taken from another blog a few minutes ago.
Need we say more? If so there is a lot more. I think everyone gets the picture.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 10:18 PM (CBNGy)
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Here's a little more.
Baber numbers himself among those who will make common cause with any regime, so long as it has negative things to say about the United States.
In short, Baber provides an excellent example of the west's fifth column. People who root for civilizations enemies, but lack the intestinal fortitute to actually join in.
I like this one:
He posts totalitarian propaganda and imagines himself courageous- a pathetic conceit.
Collin Baber takes articles from the commie worker written by an Iraqi terrorist supporter and posts them as the truth.
Something else I have discovered. When doing searches of Collin Baber organizations like the international commie Organization, The commie Worker and the Chinese Communist Newpapers keep coming up.
Was Bourbon right? Something strange going on here.
Have I discovered a commie?
Told you he was a traitor.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 11:18 PM (CBNGy)
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In above post. Please substitude the other word for commie. The one starting with an Soc
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 11:22 PM (CBNGy)
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In above post. Please substitute the other word for commie. The one starting with Social___
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 11:23 PM (CBNGy)
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Why won't this blog take that word? I hate it too but this is ridiculous. Social___.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 11:25 PM (CBNGy)
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Dear Greyrooster,
You didn't answer the question for us.. What was the URL for that alleged falluja quote on 11-05-04? You said it, not me.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 01, 2005 11:26 PM (fufbw)
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social ist. Ha, got it.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 11:27 PM (CBNGy)
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(1) Who is us?
(2) You are a commie bastard. An enemy of my country. I will no longer converse with you. You are shit.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 11:32 PM (CBNGy)
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Dear Greyrooster,
Thank you for your kind words, now please answer the question on the alleged Fallujah quote made on 11/05/2004.
Just paste the URL if the cat got your tongue.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 01, 2005 11:34 PM (fufbw)
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Hey rooster, do you have a URL for that quote? It's only fair if you're going to accuse him of that.
Posted by: Carlos at April 02, 2005 09:57 AM (8e/V4)
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Greyrooster: Go to dogpile for a search of quotes? Not Cowpile?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 02, 2005 10:54 AM (h4G3i)
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