A convicted sex offender accused of kidnapping Shasta and Dylan Groene (search) was due in court on Tuesday, as authorities awaited lab results that might confirm their fears the 9-year-old boy is dead.
"Possible" human remains were found at site in western Montana that authorities searched on Monday for signs of the missing boy. The grim news cast a cloud over the joyful reunion of Shasta, 8, and her father, seven weeks after she and her brother disappeared and her mother and two men were found brutally murdered.
Kootenai County Sheriff Rocky Watson said the remains were being sent to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., for DNA analysis, which was expected to take three days.
Watson declined to answer questions, but the fact that he called a press conference at the place where reporters were following the Groene story indicated officials believe the remains were related.
"Unfortunately we believe Dylan to be deceased," Sheriff's Capt. Ben Wolfinger said after Watson's announcement. Shasta told authorities her brother was dead after she was found.
But family members said until there was proof Dylan was dead, they would continue to hope he would be found alive like Shasta was.
"At this point we don't have a confirmation. Until we do have a confirmation, our family is holding out hope that Dylan is still out there and needs to be found," Wendy Price, an aunt, told FOX News.
Information on Shasta Groene's abductor, Joseph Duncan, from the North Dakota Sex Offenders webpage run by the ND Attorney General. OFFENDER IS DELINQUENT is in big print on web-page.
If you've had your head in the ground today then you'll want to know that 8-year-old Shasta Groene has been found alive six weeks after the grusome murder of her mom, mom's boyfriend, and her 13-year-old older brother. Dylan Groene is still missing and presumed dead but cops aren't certain that Dylan is dead or not.
There is going to be all kinds of news about this guy in the next few days. His rap sheet has been getting longer and longer by the day as authorities from the northwestern and north central United States report in to the media about what he's involved in.
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Janette from www.commonsenserunswild.com says this guy had a blog, she has the link up, if you're interested. Pretty sick stuff.
Posted by: jody at July 02, 2005 04:51 PM (FawQf)
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At least one murderous sick punk prick has been caught.
It is high time that the President of the Most powerful country in the world stop polishing his scandinavian firearm and bring home the goddamn bacon: OSAMA BIN LADEN and ZARQAWI!! Now I'm Mad!!! 50 million not enough money?! .. We've spent over 300 BILLION fighting every Tom, Dick and Harry behind every Bush and Shrub in the Mideast for those bastards and got nothing but Rummy's old Bagdad friend photographed in his underwear.
With 300 Billion we could have caught
ALL 12000 QAEDAS at 25 Mil each,
even more if the small fry chumps were given a shop-soiled discounted price.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 03, 2005 04:13 AM (ScqM8)
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How about one strike and your out for first degree rape of a child?
ItÂ’s sad to think how many lives would not have ended or been ruined if we could just say there are crimes our society will not tolerate. Do that crime one time and you will never see the light of day again.
The people have to demand better from their State Legislators. If an initiative were written in my State for one strike your out for this crime it would pass overwhelmingly, and I live in a blue State.
Posted by: Brad at July 05, 2005 03:19 PM (3OPZt)
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This is one sick bastard, you hear me?
What kills me is that these perverts are allowed to go about their business over and over, our children suffer, and all we hear is the bleeding-heart bullshit about "rights" and "feelings" and the "fact" that sex offenders can be "rehabilitated" when said offenders will actually state that if released, they will do the same again!
There is no excuse for the fact this man was allowed to walk around free as long as he was. The kicker? There will be the standard public outcry, but then the attention will shift to the next sensation (like the next idiotic uttering of Tom Cruise) and leave those of us who keep demanding that something must be done to be ignored as usual by lawmakers--until an election. Even then, nothing useful is accomplished. While we do have some politicians here in FL who are trying to work for the rights of CHILDREN as opposed to perverts, the prevailing attitude is: "Will you look at that?" and a headshake. What is the answer to concerned parents and relatives? "Look at the law enforcement website for a list of offenders. You can even search by zip code!" That would be nice and effective - if the information was UP TO DATE.
Posted by: Aspiring Drunkard at July 05, 2005 05:16 PM (AdhnO)
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There should be no second opportunity for someone who is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (as in DNA evidence or "caught in the act"). I believe criminals of this type should be executed within 24 hours of conviction. Not coddeled for life at tax payers sufferance. Question is, how does one go about instigating legislation to this effect?
Posted by: Jo at July 05, 2005 08:02 PM (3qwho)
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I wholeheartedly agree with Jo--these pigs need to be executed within 24 hours of conviction. Child molesters abuse hundreds of children before they're caught--then they're given another chance when they are parolled? And look what happens when they are! Save a child -EXECUTE the perverts!!! You can say a prayer for them if you want....
Posted by: Cherie at July 06, 2005 03:47 PM (Bo7Cz)
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I am so happy that Shasta is doing well. I have been praying for her and her whole family. I also have been praying to Shasta's mother who died a terrible death probably knowing there was nothing she could do to save her children.
Please remember that Shasta's family who are no longer with us are with God, and in my belief praying for the family that is on earth.
Posted by: Barbara Klimekoski at July 07, 2005 04:55 AM (QGyvW)
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Well, I'll start by saying I'm a bleeding heart liberal who doesn't believe in the death penalty. You can swear at me, it's ok. But I will also say, even us bleeding heart liberals have children. And I can guarantee that I, at least, don't give a damn about this guy's rights or feelings, and rape of ANY kind, but especially child molestation is right up there with murder in my opinion, and WORSE than treason, that's for sure. If ever I DID condone the death penalty it would be now. Actually, part of me believes that more handy justice would be dealt by just putting the man in a room with the girl's father. I'm sure the situation would be taken care of, and we tax-payers wouldn't pay a dime.
Posted by: Melissa at July 07, 2005 09:28 AM (CdZAi)
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There is a sex offender one street over from me. Each day, he walks to the liquor store, no shirt on and he thinks he is hot shit. I've showed my girls and their friends who he is and we are watching him. Last week he was walking with little girl! What mother would let her daughter walk with this freak? In Maryland I think sex offenders should not live witin 5 miles of a school. ACtually, this should hold true in any state.
Posted by: Jennifer at July 07, 2005 09:43 AM (6krEN)
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OK People most of you agree that these sicko's need to be stopped, but will you really help ?
If you will help then go to our website ans join up with us. We are going to do what we can to get the laws changed on how these bastards are punished, and it's not gonna be a slap on the hand and let go in 6 months ! We are gonna push for the toughest law we can and also push for it in every State not just one or two. We will be organizing a million child march in Washinton.
We need as many people as we can possibly get, so if you really think the laws need to be changed JOIN US IN A FIGHT FOR OUR KIDS !!!!
If you find that the website is not up yet please check it often it should be up by this evening July 7 2003. Thanks
Posted by: Sonya at July 07, 2005 02:28 PM (h6N9x)
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I guess this might work if I give out the web addy !!!! Sorry I got excited....the web addy is
www.treasureourchildren.org
Posted by: Sonya at July 07, 2005 02:31 PM (h6N9x)
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website is up and running....we need volunteers, please join us in our mission to change the laws reguarding All Sex Offenders in All States !
www.treasureourchildren.org joining is totaly free.
Posted by: Sonya at July 07, 2005 09:38 PM (h6N9x)
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Saddness.....Pain....Anger....Revenge.....Justice!
Not that it really matters, but I am an Idaho Native. I was born and raised my entire life not far from where the Groene's lived. In a community where everyone was neighbors, and there was never much fear when you forgot to lock your door at night! Nothing like this has ever happened here, EVER! Idaho is one of those places that most people don't know exists until something like this does happen. I for one wish that it never had. This is something that has saddened, and shocked the entire community, and will change our lives forever. That however is small potatoes compaired to the life that Shasta, and many other children like her will have to endure for the rest of their lives. I for one can not imagine the things that she must have seen, and the things that she may have had done to her. The only thing that I can do now is to pray to God that he may show mercy, and save the rest of her as best he can.
How does this happen, where is the law, how did this man slip through the cracks, how do they justify letting him out, how can they say he was not a large enough threat? Is he a large enough threat now?
This man is a repeat offender, he has already been judged and labled as such. How could they allow him bail, how could they not have acted sooner, how could they not think that it would happen again?
I do believe in the death penalty. I do believe that one should pay for their crimes. I do believe that our children need to be protected, because without protecting them how can we live with ourselves! Something needs to be done, and it needs to be done NOW!
I only wish they had caught him sooner. I have not seen this on the National news, but we here in Idaho know that Shasta and Dylan's older brother was in the Kootenai County Jail less than 72hrs before this MONSTER was detained there. The swiftest justice in this entire case would have been if the jailers could have locked this sorry excuse for a human in the cell with these childrens brother, locked the door, and walked away!
Posted by: Jo from Idaho at July 07, 2005 10:14 PM (pO1tP)
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JO from Idaho....you are so right ! How can this happen, it happens because of the laws !!! We can change them but we have to unite and join forces that is why I am asking everyone to go to www.treasureourchildren.org we are going to get something done to where these people cannot hurt our children. It does not cost anything to join. We are new and have a lot of work to do, but it will get done ! Please join us in our fight !
Posted by: Sonya at July 08, 2005 10:46 AM (h6N9x)
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There's a lot of what you say that I don't agree with (me being a left wing bleeding heart liberal and all), but PLEASE know this: I, and most of my leftie friends, do not believe that this man deserves anything but the worst. I am a survivor of heinous things myself, so I know first-hand what these children must've gone through. I don't believe that people like Duncan can be reformed. I DO believe that normal people, just like us, from all parts of the political spectrum, need to work together to make sure that people like this don't get away with it. One way to help is to work to repeal the statute of limitations on sex crimes against children. Call your representatives. Tell them how you feel and push them to making this law. The perps that victimized me will never be prosecuted because it wasn't until I was an adult that I could come forward and deal with the issue. They are molesters, but even though I have a written confession (an apology), I can do nothing about it. They live in a normal little neighborhood where they don't have to register as sex offenders because they were never caught. Just think of all the sexual predators we could put away for good if the statute of limitations was repealed. Why don't we work together, left and right, on this? It would be so much more productive than bickering. Please consider exploring this idea and doing all that you can to make it so. Thanks.
Posted by: Tish at July 13, 2005 11:34 AM (9+5w0)
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All child molesters should be put in with general population once convicted there will be no need for death penalty.
Posted by: Jane at July 17, 2005 12:44 AM (erflC)
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First of all the hardest thing is getting the prosecutor's to prosecute.My three year old grand-daughter has been molested by her moms boyfriend and we cant even get them to press charges.what's wrong with this picture!!!1
Posted by: lisa at July 17, 2005 12:26 PM (M7kiy)
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i have followed this story from the beginning. I have lost three nights of sleep over this sad horrific story.I have a grandson named DYLAN JAMES also 10 years old on 10-31-95. tHE MOST HORRIFIC THING I HAVE EVER WITNESSED IS MY then 7 yr.old grandson was ran over right infront of my own eyes.He was only 5feet in front of me when this happened. Doctors at the trauma center did not expect him to live,but through some miracle he recovered fully.That is why i cant get this precious little girl off of my mind.God for some reason let my baby grandson survive,he also let little Shasta survive,for a reason.THANK GOD he did. I have only hope for this little angel.I think about her so many times a day. She being only 8 years old has taught me so much about fear. I think about what she endured in that 7 weeks with a madman.She inspires me to confront my own fears of losing my grandson, my fear of being home alone and so scared every night at home. My husband is gone alot so i'm left at home alone alot.AND IF SHASTA COULD ENDURE WHAT SHE DID ,THEN I AM NO LONGER AFRAID,IN FACT I WOULD TRADE PLACES WITH HER IN A HEARTBEAT IF SHE COULD HAVE BEEN SPARED WHAT SHE HAD TO GO THROUGH.MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERERS ARE WITH THIS PRECIOUS LITTLE GIRL. I HOPE THE BEST FOR HER.
Posted by: Bebop at July 18, 2005 12:21 AM (nWc4I)
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SHASTA AND DYLAN GROENE RODE MY BUS WHEN I WAS IN THE FITH AND SIXTH GRADE !!!!!!!!!!! I use to sit and talk with them and I used to tease them. Now I feel awful about that. I am now going into the 8th grade, and I still remember the whole bus route. I've gone to a different school now for two years(I was held back because of age). I'm turning 14 this summer, I feel really awful about the kids especially since I knew them personally. I'ts sick what Duncan has done and he should have been on the death penalty when he 16. He already was charged with over 20 sex offenses!!! And I hate the thought that they would let our community get away with that!!! Stupid!!The dumb shit needs to be drug behind a truck by his toes, then beat with a claw hammer!!!! I can relate to Shasta because I was molested when I was ten by my stepdad. I have to go to counciling still to this day because of my thoughts and beliefs about sex. I don't think I'll ever be the same, and some day when I'm with a guy and I can't have sex because it brings back memories I swear I'm gonna hunt the jackass down that raped me.
Posted by: googler29 at July 20, 2005 09:41 AM (7XCm5)
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Ed Gilmore is a rapist!!!!!!!!!!
-Jude Halloway
Posted by: Judecamanchie at July 20, 2005 09:50 AM (7XCm5)
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Ed Gilmore is a molester!!!!! and his credit really SUCKS he can't pay for a damn thing . hes living below poverty way below!!! Loser Jackass now the whole world knows your nothing but scrap a meat on the back porch waitin' for the dogs to come chew you up!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: judeifergoose at July 20, 2005 09:54 AM (7XCm5)
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I am so happy they found Shasta otherwise she could have been killed or abused and taken aadvantage of he is a cyco he does not deserve to live that kind of thing should not happen everyone should be able to live in peace without robberies and killers and cycos like Duncan 3 i think this is just unbeleivally insane what kind of sick illminded skum bag does this does he that it is cool or something what an idiotic cyco. God what is wrong with people these days people want a safe envirment and a safe place to stay where people can let there children play outside and not worry about SKUM BAGS like him He doesn't deserve to live
Posted by: Katie at July 22, 2005 11:59 AM (a0pFf)
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Just wanted to agree with everyone on here...no child should have to go through an experience as horrific as that. I'm disgusted by the fact that he was let out after so many offenses and evfen more disgusted by the fact that the whole ordeal went on for seven whole weeks. I can't imagine what her life will be like after this..but I wish her the best. On a more positive note....I work at a technology store and recently we had a person bring their computer in for repair. While trying to fix the computer some illicit material was all of which involved children. I don't know the person's background...if they were an offender or not but i'm happy to report that the person was arrested while trying to pick up his computer. I have no children of my own but I have plenty that are near and dear to me and this felt like a victory. Just shows that we can all do something in our own way.
Posted by: T at July 26, 2005 01:32 AM (3SaVv)
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No second chances. They need to be put away forever with never one tiny shred left for their freedom. Get them counseling, get them help... ok...but never let them out in society again. They never need another chance to prove that they have not overcome their sick mental problem. No child, or person, should have to suffer to prove that. Just do what someone once mentioned earlier...One strike and you are out FOREVER!
No second chances with this kind of crime. I do not feel sorry for where they have to find places to live when they get out. It would solve this problem if all sex offenders would never be released... then we would never have to read the sex registry list either to find out who may be our neighbors. That is, if, and only if, they are actually living where they say they are. Today it was shown when a man, who had a history long of sexual abuse, was not living where he stated and again abused...this time a 20 month old baby. ONE STRIKE... AND OUT FOREVER!
Posted by: R. Willy at October 04, 2005 10:15 PM (hL6TN)
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