September 30, 2005
Al Qaeda Planning Nuclear Holocaust to Celebrate Ramadan
Al-Qaida is planning to detonate nuclear devices in seven major U.S. cities next month during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. At least, that's what
World Net Daily is reporting. Of course, to find out the details of the report WND is only asking for the paltry sum of $99 dollars a year or $9.95 a month.
On a related note, The Jawa Report has intercepted a message from al-Qaeda Godfather Osama bin Laden to Iraq's sheikh of al-Qaeda, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in which he reveals exactly which seven American cities will be nuked.
Which cities will suffer, and I quote, "a nuclear hell storm"? For the amazingly low price of $1,000, The Jawa Report will let you in on the big secret.
Here's a hint: you there, the guy reading this right now from your office computer. Yeah, you. I'd be having second thoughts about that business trip to you-know-where next month.
Seriously.
Ok, so there is no intercepted message. Color me skeptical about WND's claims of an impending nuclear holocaust. If al-Qaeda has nukes, is it simply waiting for Ramadan for maximum impact? Why didn't it use them on September 11th? Fourth of July? Chanukah? Groundhog Day?
Scenario 1) Al Qaeda doesn't have nukes, and never has had nukes. If they ever did manage to get a hold of an old Soviet suitcase bomb it was a dud or a fake. Most likely scenario.
Scenario 2) Al Qaeda has nukes but is afraid to use them. The goal of al Qaeda is the gradual restoration of the global caliphate. Nuking the U.S. would surely unleash retalliation so severe as to make several parts of the future caliphate unlivable for the foreseeable future. Less likely, but possible.
So, relax, go about your business, and enjoy the traditional Ramadan festivities--such as personally slitting the throat of a sheep or goat!
Thanks to John from Stop the ACLU for the tip.
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I will celebrate Ramadan by renting a Kabbab Cart and parking it in front of a Mosque. I will then cook up a delicious batch of Lamb Kabbabs and Cumin cakes and fan the delicious smells into the mosque to drive the faithfull into a lather.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 30, 2005 08:59 AM (5ceWd)
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Rusty, I'm liking your comments. They made me laugh. Such silliness is doing this country no good and just adds to the fear everyone has today. There is no way this ragtag group has nukes. Sure they are good at roadside bombs but how would they launch these nukes? And from what sub? The US is not that pathetic. Next thing we'll hear about are how a certain middle-eastern man has made inquires into submarine school. He doesn't want to learn how to surface or anything, just how to shoot the missiles. Give me a break.
Posted by: jason at September 30, 2005 09:23 AM (BmtfW)
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If they do this we celibrate by nuking mecca
Posted by: sandpiper at September 30, 2005 09:30 AM (Tl3bz)
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In the case of New York, L.A., San Fran, and Seattle it would be seen as a definite improvement to the social climates and attitudes.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 30, 2005 09:34 AM (y+I+a)
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The libs would call this action "Arab Urban Renewal"
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 30, 2005 09:36 AM (5ceWd)
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I swear, World Nut Daily is the Apocolyptic Christian version of the National Enquirer. They may report some actual news from time to time, but they do so many sensationalistic pieces that it's hard to tell when they're being serious. The chief over there, Joseph Farah, is an Arab, and we all know that Arabs are genetically incapable of being completely honest, no matter their religion.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 30, 2005 09:52 AM (0yYS2)
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I take umbrage at that Arab remark. As far as you know, I'm an Arab.
Posted by: Rusty at September 30, 2005 09:55 AM (JQjhA)
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WND has already named the seven cities they suspect such a device to be detonated in, but they offered it free.
Bin Laden has received clearence to detonate a nuclear bomb by his religious authority, but WND has been going gangbusters with this constant talk with AQ and nukes. They predicted this would happen a couple of months ago, and since it did not, it seems like they are trying to keep the story alive and rehash it several times over.
They have lost a lot of credibility in my book from this exact scenario.
Posted by: Chad Evans at September 30, 2005 10:21 AM (KMwbU)
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I'm with IM here in blaming Joseph Farah on this, not because he's Arab, but because he's kind of an alarmist. Of course, if I were an Arab Christian who knew the history of Islamic persecution I would also be a little alarmist......
Posted by: Rusty at September 30, 2005 11:22 AM (JQjhA)
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Don't take umbrage unless you are willing to pay for it.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 30, 2005 11:48 AM (5ceWd)
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ah, yes I believe the words of a man who once bought an irradiated canister full of ash.
Posted by: dave at September 30, 2005 11:55 AM (CcXvt)
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I AM GOING TO ORANGE ALERT !!!! NO...... ALL THE WAY TO RED !!!!!!
Posted by: john Ryan at September 30, 2005 12:30 PM (ads7K)
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J.Adams:
I for one, welcome our new Mardi overlords
why is it no surprise that the muslim equivalent of Jesus comes to kill all the non-muslims, instead of reading storybooks to Children or healing the sick.
The Muslim Jesus has already caused one prophecy to pass I see:
Pakistani President Pervez Musharaf and Yasser Arafat will be annihilated in the same month.
Oh No's! The Muslim jesus killed arafish with Aids, but forgot the paki president!
Posted by: dave at September 30, 2005 01:07 PM (CcXvt)
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No doubt in my mind. It's going to happen, just when and where.
Posted by: dick/elliott at September 30, 2005 01:15 PM (XlQVK)
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if Rusty is an Arab than i am the Tyrant of Crete...but anyways, Al-Queda with nukes???....dounbtfull, as these knuckleheads have enough problems with their roadside bombs going off on them as it is, so imagine one of them fooling around with a suitcase nuke....and who knows how old one of those are???....rather unstable and probally most of the wiring and hardware has been so exposed to radiation and been handled rather roughly the past few years, well, you know....lookie, there goes Abdullah and Akmed up to see Allah on top of that small mushroom cloud...have a good trip, fella's
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 30, 2005 01:19 PM (FMsU7)
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He don't know us very well do he. should they even come close to nuking the USA all that oil wil be getting pumped out through a big layer of glass for free.
Posted by: Howie at September 30, 2005 01:32 PM (D3+20)
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I can't remember the last time WND was right about anything. They are just as bad, if not worse, than Debka.
Posted by: Ariya at September 30, 2005 03:15 PM (noCGr)
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I am very happy for being a muslim
Posted by: Ismael at October 03, 2005 06:16 AM (vUpEQ)
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Found this posted on another site;
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If I were to put a bet on when the attack would happen, it would be 10/13.
10/13/2005 = 698th Anniversary of the Destruction of the Knights Templar in 1307. The descendants of the Templars are the Freemasons, who founded the United States. Therefore an attack on this date would be symbolic of the destruction of the Templars who fought the Muslims during the Crusades.
10/13/2005 = 9th Day of Ramadan during the 9th Month on the Islamic Calendar. Put the two "9's" together and you get the number 99. In Islam, "99" represents the number of names of Allah;
http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/islam_99_names.htm
10/13/2005 = Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of Atonement, the most important religious holiday in Judaism.
So circle 10/13 on your calendar because the fecal matter is about to hit the fan.
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September 24, 2005
It's the Hole...
I'm not going to DC to witness the demonstrations, because it's just too depressing. I once thought that any policy mistakes the US happens to make will get sorted out in the public debate. That's the way democracy works, I figured. But mainstream media doesn't even appear capable of discussing the 2005 hurricane phenomenon with any degree of competence, let alone the strategy and tactics we're using in the "Long War Against Irreconcilable Islam." It's not so much that they're wrong, as that there isn't even a core of sense to grab onto. It isn't that their analysis is flawed, so much as that they have no idea what they're talking about. It's like your mechanic telling you that your car isn't running because your parachute wasn't packed properly. We can't have productive discussions about policy because almost half the public doesn't realize the cheese has slid off their cracker.
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Great analogy! What bothers me is that when you give them facts they can't handle it and they start with the name calling. A sure sign of intelligence....not!
Posted by: Anna at September 25, 2005 12:23 AM (nVvoC)
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Great post. It's really difficult to keep us focused on a TV program for an hour, let alone an epic struggle of civilizations over a lifetime.
How did we ever make it through the Cold War?
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 25, 2005 12:56 AM (Z+hKW)
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I was there. In the black bloc. We won, you lost. Get over it.
Posted by: molly at September 25, 2005 02:03 AM (b8jPc)
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I was there. In the black bloc. We won, you lost. Get over it.
I'd try to figure out what the deuce you're saying, except I seem to have misplaced my
Crazy-To-English Dictionary.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 25, 2005 02:15 AM (/Li9o)
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I think your analogy was a little flawed. It's a little more like shooting yourself in the head, and then explaining that it made you smarter while blood shoots out.
and look at that! no name calling....
Posted by: TheOx at September 25, 2005 02:29 AM (+FXfh)
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Yep, you won, Molly. The troops are coming home tomorrow, and Bush is resigning in shame. All because you put on a Zorro mask and looked mean on the Mall.
Riddle me this: you black bloc sorts are hard-core bomb-throwing anarchists. Yet you come to these rallies and do the bidding of thoroughgoing "archists"--UN toadies, one-worlders, meddlers, pecksniffs, and do-gooders. And don't forget your protests align nicely with the interests of blubbering theocratic fascists, like Iran's mullahs, or religious fantasists like Osama. If you are really a cadre of badass street-brawling paint-huffing nihilists, how come you fight relentlessly for the side of big government and Hegelian progressivism?
Huh?
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 25, 2005 03:04 AM (Z+hKW)
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It is becoming impossible to have an intellectual conversation with the left. It's as if they have left the planet for Mars where there is no global warming to bother them.
Posted by: From the Swamp at September 25, 2005 07:26 AM (7evkT)
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IÂ’ve been looking into the protest in London Saturday and, as well as not being able to muster enough marchers to fill a bath, it appears the only parents of soldiers willing to speak out against the war
didnÂ’t even lose their kids in Iraq. Pathetic.
Posted by: sortapundit at September 25, 2005 07:52 AM (F1nba)
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Yeah who wants to watch the usial bunch of jerks running around waving their stipid signs in the air we all know that the main-stream left-wing news media will cover them including Big Bad Wolf Blitzer and the Communist News Network
Posted by: sandpiper at September 25, 2005 09:18 AM (u2whF)
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The black bloc, like many, are simply like the goth kids that are trying so hard to be different that they're all alike. Wearing cute litle masks to hide their faces just like the jihadis. "Come on gang. It's dress up day! I got my allowance this morning. We can have pizza later and talk about how cool we are."
Posted by: Oyster at September 25, 2005 09:49 AM (YudAC)
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"It is becoming impossible to have an intellectual conversation with the left. It's as if they have left the planet for Mars where there is no global warming to bother them."
Can you expand on that statement a little more and explain in more detail how those of us on the left cannot be engaged in intellectual debate? I am ready to argue it with you, if you can explain what the hell you are talking about.
Posted by: TheOx at September 25, 2005 11:38 AM (+FXfh)
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Ox, you'll get your answer simply by scrolling through the comments section anywhere in this blog. How can we answer your particular questions until you've told us what they are?
Posted by: Oyster at September 25, 2005 11:41 AM (YudAC)
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"It is becoming impossible to have an intellectual conversation with the left. It's as if they have left the planet for Mars where there is no global warming to bother them."
"What bothers me is that when you give them facts they can't handle it and they start with the name calling. A sure sign of intelligence....not!"
"It's not so much that they're wrong, as that there isn't even a core of sense to grab onto. It isn't that their analysis is flawed, so much as that they have no idea what they're talking about."
I see a lot of name calling and little substance, from what I have copied and the little I have read.
But simply said, you wanted an intellectual debate..
Are we safer today then we were when the war in Iraq started?
What would you consider a success for the conservative movement? and are you willing to criticize elements of the right for your version of conservatism, has the right made mistakes in the last 20 years in getting to the point were they are today?
Posted by: TheOx at September 25, 2005 11:56 AM (+FXfh)
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Mr. Welch:
No, we are not any safer than we were whenever. And we will not be any safer any more, with or without the war in Iraq. Radical Islam has been resurrected, and nothing but the remaking of Islam itself can put this genie back in the bottle.
As I have said time after time, I was not in favor of the war in Iraq, but now that we are there, and every jihadi who can get there is there, we must stop them. If we lose, and radical Islam prevails, it will not be the death of the US. But it will be the death of someone. Perhaps the Sudan, or maybe Thailand, east Africa, but the Jihad will take on a new life. Europe is vulnerable. Would you be in favor of intervention there to stop the jihadists?
If we can not win in Iraq, where can we win? I have three children, one in the military, and I don't want them to have to live in the Dark Ages. I tell you that I am fearful for my son and my other children. I, for one, will not live under radical Islam. What's your take on it?
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 25, 2005 03:45 PM (rUyw4)
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Ox: One success would be to put a stop to paying the ACLU with our tax money so they can bully 93% of the population into submitting to the delicate sensibilities of 6% who are "offended" by references to "God". If there are kids in a school who don't want to partake in the Pledge of Allegiance or prayer that other students wish to, and they are "picked on" in any fashion, let's address those who do the "picking on" - not outlaw the free expression of the majority. If they want tolerance, then tolerance must be asked of both sides.
Posted by: Oyster at September 27, 2005 09:01 AM (fl6E1)
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What the hell is the black bloc? I've been doing so much work for the Honorable Knights of the Klu Klux Klan that I must be missing the latest.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 29, 2005 10:18 PM (ywZa8)
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September 22, 2005
Houston & Galveston Webcams, Traffic Conditions, & Evacuation Routes
The following are a list of resources for those in the Galveston or Houston area. They include an evacuation map, weather information, traffic conditions map, traffic cams, and other live webcams. Expect the webcams to go off air as wind speed increases.
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Your first link to the Houston area traffic map brings up a map of San Antonio..............
Posted by: justin at September 22, 2005 09:52 PM (mJbsy)
Posted by: ! at September 23, 2005 07:00 AM (hif5L)
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http://blog.mu.nu/cgi/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&entry_id=122122
Posted by: Angalee at September 23, 2005 07:29 AM (SiXjf)
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Mother Nature is a mother.
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September 20, 2005
Constitution Day Speech: What Constitution Are We Talking About Senator Byrd?
Delegates to the Constitutional Convention gave their assent to the document on September 17th, 1787. Today, I'm scheduled to be the key-note speaker at our University's Constitution Day celebration. Here is the text of my speech. I think it might ruffle a few feathers.
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The one that gives warmaking power to Congress.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 20, 2005 08:09 AM (VhNDM)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at September 20, 2005 08:31 AM (JQjhA)
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I can hook you up with a couple adjunct classes here when you get fired.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at September 20, 2005 09:19 AM (1DaBi)
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Sweet. Do you think Nancy, the three kids, and me can crash at your house, too?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at September 20, 2005 09:38 AM (JQjhA)
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Just so IÂ’m clear on this: your not tenured right?
Posted by: Brad at September 20, 2005 09:38 AM (6mUkl)
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Nope. You think this alters my chances?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at September 20, 2005 09:39 AM (JQjhA)
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I donÂ’t know man, If the PC police track you back to this blog, your dead.
You might want to call your brother in law and make sure that fertilizer sales job is still open before you give this speech.
Posted by: Brad at September 20, 2005 09:54 AM (6mUkl)
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Senator Byrd is talking about that "living" Constitution that says whatever in the hell the liberals want it to say.
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 20, 2005 10:18 AM (rUyw4)
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Rusty, are you really going to give that speech on a college campus?
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 20, 2005 10:25 AM (rUyw4)
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Have you forwarded this to Byrd? Oh, and I know of a small conservative liberal arts college in West Tennesse that might hire you.
Posted by: Razorgirl at September 20, 2005 10:29 AM (H+tJ8)
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You also should mention somewhere the Preamble to the Bill of Rights:
The Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.
Posted by: IO ERROR at September 20, 2005 10:43 AM (+UctD)
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"The Constitution is not a series of cases decided by the Supreme Court, it is a document written in 1787, ratified in 1789, and which has been amended exactly 27 times."
That's brilliant. And it is a remarkably difficult notion to get across to people.
Posted by: Craig McCarthy at September 20, 2005 10:45 AM (WfwK9)
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The idea of a living document in the shape of the Constitution is not stupid. What is stupid is not recognizing that the document itself is very specific about what that means.
If your gonna go down, go down hard and add something about the commerce clause being the tool of the modern day tyrant.
Posted by: Defense Guy at September 20, 2005 10:53 AM (jPCiN)
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Right DG. and what "privacy" is construed to mean. And what separation of church and state really means.
We saw Newt Gingrich speak at UNF last night. Yes, in an academic environment no less. He was really very clear and concise. One strong point he brought up was this [I'll paraphrase, of course]:
Stop this effort to drive God out of public life. 91% of the people are actually against the extreme measures being taken to do this and 8% are dictating to the 91%. He made the point that our forefathers acknowledged that our rights came from our creator. If the creator is driven out of our lives then who will our children grow up thinking our rights came from? "The State?" Not good. Not good at all.
Posted by: Oyster at September 20, 2005 01:03 PM (fl6E1)
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Robert Byrd brains constitution is different from what the founding fathers wrote bobby byrds consits of big goverment and more regulation and uncontroled taxing and spending
Posted by: sandpiper at September 20, 2005 01:58 PM (r8sk+)
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The dhimmis see the Constitution as either a stepping stool to get over the will of the people, or a stumbling block to thwart their plans, but they do not see it as inviolable.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 20, 2005 02:36 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: Jim at September 20, 2005 05:31 PM (iD0gu)
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When the Left says that the US CONSTITUTION is a "living document"
Of course, they really only mean the parts of they don't like!
That things in it that they like - like the part where it guarantees a right to an abortion - (nevermind about looking for it; it's not in the US CONSTITUTION, not in any literal sense) -
well that part is WRITTEN IN STONE.
SO: to the Left, it not only means what they say it means, whatever they say it measn in NOT living, but permanent.
God forbid Roe v. Wade should EVER be re-interpreted; no: you must SWEAR UNDER OATH that Roe v. Wade is SUPERDUPER-PRECEDNT, untouchable and writ in stone.
SHEESH.
What effin hypocrites!
Not only are their policies crappy; the underlying "logic" they use is faulty.
They have no consitent alues underlying their ideology EXCEPT belief that an elite knows better what's right then the individual does for himself, AND that the world would be better off if this elite made all the decisions. IOW: collectivism/socialsm/Leftism.
They will use whatver meanx - employ any argument at any time (even if it is inconsistent with other arguments they make).
But it gets worse: because they will often support
policy "B" - like regime change in Iraq - if and only if it's promoted by a fellow traveller.
BUT... if a conservative actually does something about it, well, then... the policy msut be bad!
I think this is because post-WW2/post-modern Leftsist have have no transcendent universal values, and are relativists.
The only wasy they have to measure success is momnetary outcomes.
When the Iraq War has a bad day, then the war itself is bad.
Which of course aids the enemy.
Only a deep belief in transcendent universal values can actually enable a person to have the resolve toi get through tough struggles which are important, if nopt CRUCIAL - like the Iraq War.
The pathetic thing is: FDR would be more supprting of Bush and the neocons, then the so-called his of his New Deal.
In another light, though, perhaps there is some conection: FDR and Joe Kennedy were enemies. Joe supported the NAZIS. Perhaps Teddy is more like his isolationst father than he is like FDR or RFK or JFK?
Perhaps the Left is now more like Alger Hiss than FDR?
They are more allied to enforcing the social and economic outcomes they want - and the eltists organizations they control, then actually promoting policies which might actually have better/the best outcomes.
They believe in the UN despite the fact that the UN is a useless cesspool of corruption.
They believe in affirmative action even though it is astate-sponsored racism.
They believe in gun control even though there is not one scintilla of proof that it lowers violent crime.
They believe in progressive taxes even though there's evidence that a flat tax is better for growing economies -whcih is the BEST way to helkp poorer people become less poor.
They believe in isolationism to protect jobs, even though trade is the BEST single engine to improve standards of living for everyone.
OM AND ON.
I have come believe these folks of the post-modern Left cannot really be argued with. I know: I was a leftist. Raised a leftis by card-carrying commies.
It took the Fall of the Wall for me to admit Reagan was right.
And it took seeing that Deng Tsao Ping had improved China by getting rid of Marx and Mao.
I had to look reality in the eye, and blink.
The problem is most Lefties TURN AWAY, and avert their eyes!
They REFUSE to read or watch anything but their Leftist media: the NYTIMES and CNN. If it ain't in the NYTIMEs then it didn't happen to the Left.
(They think I'm brainwashed because I read BOTH the NYTIMES and the Wash Times; they don't even realize that THEY are the limited/brainwashed party!)
HOW DO WE GET THEM TO OPEN THEIR EYES?
Results. Facts on the ground. Results so big even the media can't hide them.
Bigger than LOW UNEMLOYMENT - which doesn't get reported much.
Bigger than expanded drug benefits for seniors, or improving grades from kids in schools.
Bigger than Qaddafy's renunciation of WMD.
Bigger than getting Syria out of Lebanon.
Bigger than ALL of Bush legislative successes - he's already accomplished more in 5 years than Clinton and his Pop did in 12!
It will take withdrawal from a democratic self-sufficient Iraq. And maybe a revolution in Iran. And the toppling of Lil Kim in NOKO.
Then maybe maybe MAYBE the Left MIGHT open one eye.
Hang in there baby; KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT!
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Whew. Barely any one showed up. I guess my tenure prospects weren't flushed down the tube. But, I did spend some time writing that dayum thing. Would've been nice to at least tick somebody off.......
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at September 20, 2005 07:12 PM (JQjhA)
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Pfft, forget them - we enjoyed it. And that is the beauty of online documents; it will remain here to be read by all (pro or con).
I can get mad if you want ... ?
/TJ
Posted by: TJ at September 21, 2005 08:37 AM (/0bzs)
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Yeah, but can you issue a fatwa against me?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at September 21, 2005 01:22 PM (JQjhA)
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Rusty I know the pre amble. Got it from schoolhouse rock. want me to sing it for you?
Posted by: Howie at September 22, 2005 12:47 PM (D3+20)
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We the people in order to from a more perfect union.
(background howling of dogs and loud cube neighbor protests)
Establish justice and insure domestic tranquility eeeahee
Provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare ahhand
Secure the blessings of a liberty to ourselves and our posterity
(high screeching tone)
Do ordain and establish this constitution... for the United Sstates of America... ....
for the United States of America
Posted by: Howie at September 22, 2005 01:06 PM (D3+20)
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The government we have today was shaped by Civil War, the Constitution is merely a fig leaf.
Posted by: DHR at September 28, 2005 05:05 PM (G2kLz)
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September 14, 2005
September 13, 2005
Live from D.C., it's John Roberts!
If you don't have something more fun to do, like getting that root canal you've been putting off, you might find watching the
John Roberts hearings live interesting.
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September 12, 2005
Is John Roberts Stingy With the Constitution?
What does it even mean to be 'stingy' with the Constitution? That's what Ted Kennedy is hoping to ask John Roberts at his confirmation hearings. Tom at Scared Monkeys has
Kennedy's odd statement on video here.
Is that kind of like, "Hey John Roberts, stop being so 'stingy' with the Constitution and pass it around on the left hand side"?
Man, that Constitution is giving me the munchies. Big time.
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I've never heard anything so stupid as someone being accused of bogarting the Constitution, but given the rye-fueled source, it's not really a shock. I can only imagine the ridiculous crap Teddy-boy has said to cops every time he gets pulled over and is found to be driving with no pants on.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 12, 2005 07:04 PM (0yYS2)
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Hey, stop being stingy with those DUIs!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at September 12, 2005 07:35 PM (JQjhA)
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stop being stingy with those female corpses in vehicles driven by drunk idiots.
Posted by: Henry at September 12, 2005 07:40 PM (NdKxH)
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This is comming from one of this nations spoiled rich brats who wants gun control and gun bans while surrounded by his armed body guards what a jackass chapaquedic ted is
Posted by: sandpiper at September 12, 2005 08:09 PM (AFJdY)
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Stingy with the Constitution means Democrats don't get to invent phony "rights" on a whim or whenever they pull some stupid idea right out of their ass.
Posted by: Carlos at September 13, 2005 12:12 AM (8e/V4)
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People like Kennedy and Schumer and Pelosi think it's okay to legislate from the bench. Even when decisions like the Kelo case come down they don't get it. Pelosi compared Supreme Court decisions to decisions God makes. Notice how whenever a really big one like Kelo vs New London comes down, states have to scramble to enact new legislation to protect their citizens' interests? No one in their right mind would have said, "Gee, I'm pretty sure our founding fathers would have wanted it this way." And they still support their liberal judges. In fact, they want more. If we want a bunch of liberal judges, then what do we need them for at all?
Posted by: Oyster at September 13, 2005 05:42 AM (YudAC)
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Dangit, IM, I wanted to be the first to say "bogart." Here's hoping that we're not the last.
Few things more ironic than a Kennedy excoriating someone else for being stingy. Too bad those Mass investigators were stingy with the law back in '69.
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"Too bad those Mass investigators were stingy with the law back in '69."
It was because old Joe Kennedy wasn't stingy with his bootlegging fortune, and bought the cops off. The entire Kennedy family is scum and should be given the Romanov treatment, since they think of themselves as royalty.
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Your Tax Money at WorK: FEMA Money Used for Louis Vuitton Purchases
If I had just lost my house in the hurricane, I'd go straight to Prada. You know, shopping just makes you feel better. I guess a lot of the victims prefer
Louis Vuitton, though. No accounting for taste I guess.
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Just what we need more pork on the FEMA budget who did this ROBERT BYRD BRAIN?
Posted by: sandpiper at September 12, 2005 01:37 PM (U+eLg)
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It'll be interesting to see where these cards are used as time goes by. This is just the first specialty store that spoke up. I wonder if they're able to use it as a debit card for cash at an ATM? And if it gets used to buy crack.
Posted by: Oyster at September 12, 2005 02:04 PM (fl6E1)
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Any comment I cared to make would just be redundant, since pretty much everyone is thinking the same things right now, but I will say that I wish I was shocked by this news.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 12, 2005 02:20 PM (0yYS2)
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IM, I know exactly what you're thinking. And the thought was in my head too.
Posted by: Oyster at September 12, 2005 05:39 PM (YudAC)
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It's amazing how we all have to speak in code now, lest certain people accuse us of certain crimes. Wait, is it wrong to say "we", and "us", and "certain people"? Oh crap, I'm going to get taken to a reeducation camp.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 12, 2005 07:18 PM (0yYS2)
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Godamnit I knew it.
I blogged about it the first day I heard about the cards.
What a crock of crapnuts.
Posted by: Henry at September 12, 2005 07:50 PM (NdKxH)
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damn can you edit trackbacks?
Stupid thing didn't work right. I want you to delete my first two trackbacks please
Posted by: Henry at September 12, 2005 07:57 PM (NdKxH)
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We had money deposited into our account and damn if my crack dealer didn't all his crack in the flood. But seriously, there will always be people who exploit the system, the reality is that the majority of us REALLY needed the help. Do you know how much a hotel room costs for a month....$54 for a 30 day stay!
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September 10, 2005
Human Embryos 'Cloned' in Britain
For the first time, a human embryo has been created without a male DNA donor, scientists in Britain revealed today. The British press, though, is being careful not to call what was done 'cloning', for fear of public outcry, instead opting to use the eupemism of 'Parthenogenesis', Greek for
'virgin birth'.
Virgin conception? As if Christians weren't going to be offended enough that humans are being cloned for the first time, scientists and their allies in the press decide to name the procedure after a central tenent of the very faith the euphemism is intended not to offend. Brilliant.
But don't worry, scientists at Edingburgh's Roslyn Institute, made famous for cloning Dolly the sheep, are telling us, this isn't really cloning. Far from it.
The difference between 'virgin conception' and 'cloning'? If I understand the technical issues correctly, parthogenesis stimulates a human egg to start dividing like an embryo without the addition of any genetic material. In other words, the cell is induced to begin dividing, splitting, and then growing on its own. Only the mother's DNA is present, but it is the DNA contained in the original cell. The cells are not implanted.
Cloning is when you inject the mother's DNA into an egg to start the process, and then implant the egg into a host womb.
See the big difference here?
BBC has more here.
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this is a subject that im not very sure on how i feel about it...i mean, while i am Roman Catholic though not a very religious one, i do feel that HUMAN cloning is something that mankind should leave be...i dont know, maybe because i really know very little about cloning and really have very little interest in it, maybe thats why i feel the way i do about it..it just feels wrong, i remember when Dolly the sheep was cloned and i thought, oh cool, but wasnt that thrilled by it, and than when i heard how Dolly aged so much faster than normal i felt vindicated, that i was right to not feel that cloning was so wonderfull...guess ive seen way to many sci-fi movies involving human cloning to get too excited by it and feel that its a good thing to do...somethings should be left to nature i suppose,im always worried if some knucklehead scientist is going to open up Pandoras box and release something horrible on mankind and that will be all she wrote for us...just my thoughts on this
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 10, 2005 04:25 PM (QtMud)
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Human clonning should be banned we dont need for them to create another bill clinton
Posted by: sandpiper at September 10, 2005 07:08 PM (JyNSh)
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Yes, Dr. Shackleford, parthenogenisis is isomorphic with maternal cloning, as far as i can tell. The process begins at impact with a mechanical object, most likely a needle, which may or may not deliver a dna payload. Previous to about a year ago, mammalian eggs would not go full term, because of the mammalian dna imprinting problem, which has since been solved. My question for you is, exactly what is the difference between initiating liftoff of the fertilization membrane in the following scenarios, and which is/are cloning?
cell division initiated by needle prick
cell division initiated by needle delivery of another copy of maternal dna
cell division initiated by needle delivery of dna extracted
from unrelated XX
cell division initiated by needle delivery of XY dna
cell division initiated by sperm impact
Posted by: matoko kusanagi at September 10, 2005 09:15 PM (CMNwH)
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Erm, yes, actually there is a difference.
First off, the term parthenogenisis is not a euphemisim, nor is it new. It is the scientific term for ths kind of process, and has been for over a hundred years (parthenogenisis occurs naturally in many species, and the process was named by naturalists studying such species. )
Secondly, it is not cloning. The BBC article does not say whether the cells produced are diploid (two sets of chromosomes, like normal cells), or haploid (one set of chromosomes, like egg cells, or sperm). Cloning (aka Cellular Nuclear Transfer, which is the actual term) always produces diploid cells. Parthenogenisis produces haploid cells, unless something is done to the egg to double it's chromosome number, first.
If these are haploid cells, then they could *NEVER* become an embryo. Period. they don't have the needed number of chromosomes.
Posted by: Monsyne Dragon at September 10, 2005 09:19 PM (Zhq+Y)
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but Dragon, some aves and ranas can reproduce via parthenogenisis--are the offspring haploid?
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still. same question--does the addition of a micropipette of genetic material make the difference between an embryo and a "parthenote"?
and neither the parthenote, maternal clone, or XX/XX embryo can be viable without dna imprinting--so are they embryos at all, and is it really cloning?
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Goddammit! Bush was cloned from his own evil twin!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 10, 2005 10:23 PM (TAhhF)
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Hmm... From what I know, in the vertebrates that reproduce parthenogenically, various processes (depends on the species) double the chromosome number in the egg beforehand, so the offspring are diploid.
In insects, however, parthenogenisis often produces haploid individuals. (AFAIK, this is what determines the sex in some insects, one gender is diploid, the other haploid)
Posted by: Monsyne Dragon at September 11, 2005 12:42 AM (Zhq+Y)
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So much for gays deriding straights as "breeders"...look to the the gay community to embrace this technology as a means to redefine "everything"...
Posted by: Grim at September 11, 2005 09:55 AM (6krEN)
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Dragon, the def i was taught of cloning is that the offspring has the identical genetical makeup of the parent. I think the parthenotes in the article are not undergoing any sort of chromosome duplication, which is most likely why they are not working well. But if the brits are doubling the chromosomes, then parthenogenisis would be cloning, IMHO.
But that is not what i was really interested in, i am curious about the "personhood" of the classes i delineated before, parthenotes, invitro XX/XX with maternal dna, in vitro XX/XX with non-maternal dna, and invitro XX/XY. Let's add parthenotes with doubled chromosome compliment. Only the invitro XX/XY is viable without dna imprinting. Are the others actually embryos?
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Human cloning is something that must be perfected now, before mankind initiates a nuclear holocaust which could very possibly have damaging effects on women's reproductive capabilities (not to mention the fact that women are becoming less fertile as time goes on anyway). For the sake of humanity, this is something that should be observed. We'd best be prepared. If we're not - Our entire human race may painfully fade out and disappear.
Stop stopping science from helping 'you.'
Posted by: madmagickdotnet at September 11, 2005 10:45 AM (7IS4Y)
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Maybe I'm being simple-minded here, but....
Cloning animals is one thing, but just because we can do it, does it mean we should move on to humans? Curiosity and the want to advance scientific knowledge is a wonderful thing. But at what point does it become unethical? Who gets to decide who gets cloned when it becomes commonplace? Anyone here care to see another Hitler? Mussolini? OBL? It's one thing to clone a sheep; another to clone Stalin. With a little proper upbringing, they could be just like their predecessors in body AND spirit. Imagine the impact it would have on the psyche of others to see those faces again 20 years down the road.
Just like the nuclear bomb. It helped us win a war over evil, but now evil wants one too.
I vote NO. Some things are sacred and better left to nature.
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Silly Oyster, human cloning will be big business. But we won't actually grow full clones, we just want to grow brain-stemmed organ sacks for compatible transplants.
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September 08, 2005
Air Americagate
This website has been silent on the Air America scandal. Frankly, it just didn't interest me. No longer.
Let the next thousand years um be declared the Franken Millenium!
UPDATE: And yet again.
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Rusty, I tell you what would really be funny. I wish Al Franken and Arianna Huffington had been down at the convention center in NO from Day 1 through Day 5 after the hurricane. And I wish someone had made a movie about their experiences. Just to watch them squirm when confronted by their friends would be precious viewing.
Well, one CAN wish, you know.
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 08, 2005 10:19 AM (q9AWQ)
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You mean Michael Moore isn't making the movie right now?
Posted by: Rusty at September 08, 2005 10:24 AM (JQjhA)
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What is Air America? Didn't Mel Gibson play a lovable rascal in a movie of that name and co-star opposite the dreamy Robert Downey Jr (kind of looks like a cracked out Scott Baio)?
Who is this Al fellow you speak of? Filthy has never heard of him.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 08, 2005 10:40 AM (5ceWd)
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Filthy, if you haven't heard of Al, then count your blessings.
Posted by: Butch at September 08, 2005 11:03 AM (Gqhi9)
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More of the usial BS from Air Amerika
Posted by: sandpiper at September 08, 2005 01:45 PM (uo3LX)
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Well now, Randy, I don't think Michael Moore would take his slacker's tour down to the NO Convention Center or the Superdome, but I have no doubt we will be seeing a whole new "take" on the events as soon as he can get his fat ass to the Astrodome.
I'm pretty sure we will have moonbats-on-parade just as soon as they can all flock together and get to Houston. One would hope that the good people of Houston would run their sorry asses off.
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 08, 2005 03:32 PM (q9AWQ)
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Why must writers always put a '-gate' on anything that's declared a scandel?
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September 06, 2005
Gang Members Kill Sailor on Leave from Iraq, Wife and Baby Survive
If ever there was a case where the death penalty was called for, this is it. The suspects are still at large, but if it was me that found them.....
Osiel Hipolito's wife and unborn baby were also hurt. The baby was delivered later that same day. What do you say to a child who's birthday falls on the same day that her father was murdered?
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A Navy sailor on leave from the war in Iraq was killed in a suspected gang shooting that also wounded his brother, pregnant wife, and the couple's unborn baby.
Osiel Hipolito, 20, was shopping at a strip mall near Compton with his wife and brother when he was assaulted by two men believed to be gang members, Sheriff's Deputy Scott Gage said.
"He goes to defend himself and one of the gang members draws a gun and begins shooting at the group," Gage said.
Hipolito was pronounced dead at a local hospital.
The baby, a girl, was delivered prematurely with a leg wound. Hipolito's wife and brother were in stable condition, Gage said.
This NBC news report calls the baby, born hours later alive and well, a
fetus. I'm shocked that a report could intentionally dehumanize this child in the headline and then report the same child is alive and well in the body of the article.
As in, "My father and this thing called a fetus--you know, this appendage attached to my mother which eventually became me, but wasn't really me until three hours later--were shot by gang members. My father died, but I survived. And by I, I mean the fetus which would become me, but wasn't me until several hours later. And by survived, I mean, well, er, I don't know, because how can something that is not legally alive survive anything?"
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I'm sure it was white guys that did it. In Compton. Yep.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 06, 2005 05:48 PM (0yYS2)
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Careful Rusty, that kind of hate speech will get Google to pull your ticket pronto.
You may only refer to the unborn even up to the point of crowning as:
Fetus, Choice, Tissue, or as Dr Mengele at the abortion mill calls themÂ….Car, House and Pool payments.
Just think, if Dr. Mengele dragged the baby out split her skull and sucked the brain out of this little girl 5 minutes before the low life Blood shot our Navy man, everything would have been all right with Pelosi, Kennedy and Boxer.
Sons of bitches!!!
Posted by: Brad at September 06, 2005 05:58 PM (3OPZt)
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I stoped being shocked by NBC's bigotry in 1957. Of course I'm old. They have used their "news" stories for opinion pieces since Korea. Tim R is a clasic America bashing NBC "reporter/host". So when I have control of the TV we do not watch chanel 4.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 06, 2005 06:17 PM (03F0I)
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Like I keep saying, stockpile rope, because it can be reused and ammo costs money.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 06, 2005 10:06 PM (0yYS2)
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Not very tolerant and feeling bad Howie says. Hangin ain't good enough.
Posted by: Howie at September 07, 2005 09:17 AM (D3+20)
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Who cares if NBC called the child a fetus, baby, rugrat, little Johnnie or Suzy or whatever. There are much more improtant things to rant about than the use of one word. And I truly don't believe the child will care if one day he or she is handed an article in which they were referred to as a "fetus".
Posted by: J-Man at September 07, 2005 11:37 AM (b2hs0)
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I'm not talking about "drop and snap", but "dangle and strangle", which is far less pleasant and more entertaining. There's also the visual impact and the added benefit of letting the corpses stay out for a few days, just so everyone gets the point.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 07, 2005 12:15 PM (0yYS2)
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My father in law will shoot a squirrel and hang the varmint outside his riverfront cabin to keep other squirrels from coming around and eating from the bird feeders and the dog food bowls.
They just seem to know that there is danger around the cabin when they see Alvin just a hanging there all stiff.
Posted by: Brad at September 07, 2005 12:36 PM (3OPZt)
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Track down the no good low lifes and hang them from a tree without the idiot psyco-babble nit wits to offer this rediclous excuse why they would do it
Posted by: sandpiper at September 07, 2005 01:51 PM (g1M1/)
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I was a commercial property appraiser in Compton back in the day (1996). I was asked to value a proposed shopping center in the heart of Compton. One of the big selling points was a police sub-station built in to the shopping center that contained a holding cell. You see, we take security seriously...
This story is so way messed up. Is ANYONE able to get their brains around it?
Posted by: babs at September 07, 2005 03:00 PM (JgUhZ)
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You know I read everyone's comments and you have a different point of view if you actually knew Osiel and his wife Liz. He was like my brother and I still can't believe he is gone after talkin to him 4 days before he was killed.
Posted by: joe at September 12, 2005 07:41 PM (ZbuwW)
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I'm related to Liz and they finally, caught the basterd that did this. This is extremely sad and Osiel and Lynette will have to learn about their father and what happend through this reports and from loved ones.
Posted by: Mayra at September 16, 2005 12:00 AM (XVzGk)
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My husband worked with Mr. Hipolito. I
was so saddened to hear that this had
happened to such a good guy. I am so hurt
even though I never met him personally.
My condolenses to his family and friends.
Posted by: Saddened at September 18, 2005 11:34 AM (6mUkl)
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I'm reading all the comments, and I was stationed with Osiel. It hurts to hear what has happened to him because he focused on nothing more than his family. They were his world, and he would bring in pictures of birtday parties of his other child they have together. He was a good person who, for the two years I had known him, got along with veryone. He worked for me in the mainspace on the USS Germantown. I just left there two months ago, and to Pascagoula, MS. I can remember from when he first reported on board, he was always a person you could count on to get a job done and could be depended on by his friends to be there when they needed him. I'll miss him. Quick
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New Orleans Mayor: CIA Out to Get Me
New Orleans Mayor, Ray Nagin: If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened.
Via the curiously silent Ace of Spades HQ
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Damn, donÂ’t nuthin rhyme with CIA?
Posted by: Brad at September 06, 2005 09:39 AM (6mUkl)
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er, 'gay' sort of does............
Posted by: Rusty at September 06, 2005 10:05 AM (JQjhA)
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CYA Nagin. Your in the loop bigtime. As soon as the bull starts to wear old and fade, you are gonna draw a lot of attention and inspection. Costa Rica is mighty nice this time of year.
Posted by: hondo at September 06, 2005 10:18 AM (4Gtyc)
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This mayor has nothing to fear from the CIA. He needs to fear the people he betrayed.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 06, 2005 10:41 AM (5ceWd)
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Uh, yeah, right. If the CIA was in the business of "taking out" those who criticize the President, we never would have heard another peep out of Durbin, Kerry, Kennedy, et al.
Posted by: Oyster at September 06, 2005 11:33 AM (fl6E1)
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News Break from 700 club -
"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."
Posted by: rudgrl at September 06, 2005 12:18 PM (WFl8w)
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There really is no point with trying to have a sane conversation with people like this, come to think of it, it's becoming that way with most Democrats.
Sad,
Posted by: From the Swamp at September 06, 2005 12:40 PM (7evkT)
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Theres no need to fear mayor nits wits here he want to ripoff underdogs line
Posted by: sandpiper at September 06, 2005 01:57 PM (rAMmL)
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I want to see a receipt for that tin foil. Looks like it came from the Rue Bobby Boucher Wall-Mart to me.
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Yeah, Nagin's passion has been eclipsed by his boys-n-the-hood mentality. His famous interview with a New Orleans radio station showed his true colors when every other word was "man." I got the impression that he was wearing a sideways baseball cap during the interview, and he may have been puffing on a blunt.
Posted by: Don Long at September 06, 2005 03:28 PM (MKHkQ)
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The CIA? You mean it wasn't the JOOOOOOoooooooooOOOoooOOOooooozzz!?!?!?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 06, 2005 06:16 PM (0yYS2)
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IM, you silly goose! The CIA is run by the Joooos.
Posted by: Oyster at September 06, 2005 06:54 PM (YudAC)
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Of course! Silly me. I wasn't wearing my foil hat, so the mind control rays got through.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 06, 2005 10:23 PM (0yYS2)
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God how i truly loathe people at times...how do we survive at all???....with people like the mayor of N.O. supposedly in charge how does civilization exist???...Nagin is a coward, a racist, and a screaming leftist, liberal Democrat who left the poor people of N.O. to die...this man needs to be stripped of his mayorship for gross incompetence and never allowed to hold any political office again...he would be better at cleaning up the elephant droppings at the circus while he is dressed up as a clown
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 07, 2005 12:11 AM (hcN1S)
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The "Agents of the Military" killed "in the vicinity of the levee breach" were first reported by the Army Corps of Engineers spokesman, John Hall whom I know personally (see my email address) to be civilian contractors hysterically armed to protect themselves against irresponsibly reported "looters", and were killed on the Danziger Bridge some ten miles away from the 17th St. Canal levee breach and a good five miles from the industrial canal breach. Furthermore I live in New Orleans, and I know damned well that the breached 17th St. Canal levee is in an affluent white neighborhood. Since New Orleans is a segregated city, there are no black people living with at least a mile of this breach. If a land grab were occurring it was one to take land away from rich white people, not poor black people. Also, Chalmette and Arabi (both flooded) are mostly middle-class white neigborhoods. This is not to say that black neighborhoods weren't flooded, but they were not alone.
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September 03, 2005
Chief Justice William Rehnquist
Dead at 80
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this should be very interesting to see how the Democrats take this on...they will take advantage of all the turmoil going on to try and get one of their own on the Supreme Court...let the games begin
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 11:37 PM (hcN1S)
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First of all, may he rest in peace. Second, wow, what an unprecedented opportunity. I have been an atheist for a long time now, but I'm starting to lose faith in my lack of faith. I can only stand so much coincidence, then I have to wonder; rationalist or not.
It seems that everything that happens, and which looks bad at first, turns out for the better. But still, I've decided to order another couple thousand rounds, just in case it gets a little too interesting before it's all sorted out.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:47 PM (0yYS2)
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Sad to see him go. He was a good man.
(Bush did it to take the headlines away from Katrina)
Posted by: Ariya at September 04, 2005 12:40 AM (noCGr)
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Ariya - I hope that was playful sarcasm.
Posted by: Oyster at September 04, 2005 06:59 AM (YudAC)
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I have a nominee: Ann Coulter.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 08:37 AM (0yYS2)
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Vinnie smokes Howie on the scoop by 12 hrs way to go Vinnie.
Posted by: Howie at September 04, 2005 09:13 AM (D3+20)
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not Ann, IM, she has been caught in too many lies i think....Michael Savage would be my nominee...kick ass
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Lies, you say? That's impossible, she's not a dhimmicrat. I think you mean exaggerated rhetoric and hyperbole, not to mention a dash of the ol' fiery invective. She's a pot-stirrer, and she says what needs said, even if it's not exactly 100% factual. She is our lightning rod, and we need her. I need her. But that's another post...
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