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July 13, 2005

Rehnquist Hospitalized

Two SCOTUS nominations this year. Mark. My. Word. Flap is following the details.

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Bad Backlash: Muslim Beaten to Death

Most of what Muslims call backlash is of the sticks and stones variety or things necessary to protect us from terrorism. This is not. This is very, very, very bad. Disgusting, if true. Guardian:

A Muslim man has been beaten to death outside a corner shop by a gang of youths who shouted anti-Islamic abuse at him, the Guardian has learned.
Kamal Raza Butt, 48, from Pakistan, was visiting Britain to see friends and family. On Sunday afternoon he went to a shop in Nottingham to buy cigarettes and was first called "Taliban" by the youths and then set upon.

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1 I have my doubts about the story. Not necessarily that they didn't beat him, just about the details of the story.

Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2005 01:24 PM (adpJH)

2 "I was speaking out against senseless violence. Burning mosques down and beating people up in the night seems like a criminal hoodlum acts and beneath any civilized government. Mosques? Close 'em down. If the Brits want to deport Moslems for security or safety reasons, it should be done in an orderly matter, using force only if necessary--kind of like, 'No offence, but your presence here is no longer wanted, and you are not safe. No hard feelings. See ya.' I'm talking about the non-violent chaps here--not the rabid terrorist supporters who denounce the very country in which they live. They can be sent on a small raft back to whence they came." The above was my post from a few days ago. This incident, if true, just makes everyone look bad.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 01:42 PM (x+5JB)

3 This is terrible. And who do I blame? The muslim community themselves. Organize a fucking march, you idiots. Show the radical islamists (and racist anglo-saxons) whose side you're on. Until you do that, you will be eyed with suspicion, and in some cases beaten. If there is a backlash it's your own damn fault cause till now we've heard only crickets chirping or qualified "condemnations" of terror.

Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 01:42 PM (8e/V4)

4 No offense, Carlos, but your post is akin to Muslims who say "9/11 was bad, but it's because of what Americans have been doing around the world." Basically, it's attempting to deflect the blame. Should the Muslim community march in protest of these jihadist scum who perpetrated these acts? Absolutely. But, it's not their fault that this guy was beaten to death. A crime is a crime.

Posted by: Venom at July 13, 2005 01:49 PM (dbxVM)

5 No, Carlos. You sound like them. This man's killers are at fault.

Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 01:51 PM (fl6E1)

6 I might sound like them, but I'm right and they're wrong. That's the difference. And by saying I "sound like them", you are implicitly agreeing with me that they're doing something wrong-- which is my basic point. We don't view muslims suspiciously because they're muslims, we view them suspiciously because we doubt their loyalties.

Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 02:01 PM (8e/V4)

7 "I might sound like them, but I'm right and they're wrong. That's the difference." Haha, impeccable logic. sigh.

Posted by: Venom at July 13, 2005 02:03 PM (dbxVM)

8 >>>""I might sound like them, but I'm right and they're wrong. That's the difference." Venom, it is impeccable logic. I'll deconstruct it for you if you like-- something that SOUNDS like another is not necessarily the other.

Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 02:06 PM (8e/V4)

9 Tragic and completely reprehensible. The idea that when A commits an act of evil against B, the best course of action is to take it out on C is part of the reason we are in this mess to begin with.

Posted by: Defense Guy at July 13, 2005 02:13 PM (jPCiN)

10 True, but something that SOUNDS like the other usually is the other. Taking that kind of attitude is the same kind of apologist bullshit we heard from some members of the Muslim community after 9/11 where we heard "Yeah, it's sad, but don't look at us to blame. It's America's fault that their cities were attacked." It's really not that hard to understand: Terrorist scum were responsible for 9/11. Vigilante scum was responsible for this.

Posted by: Venom at July 13, 2005 02:14 PM (dbxVM)

11 At least they didn't saw his head off and put it on the f-ing internet.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at July 13, 2005 02:19 PM (yBHNA)

12 >>>"True, but something that SOUNDS like the other usually is the other." That may be true, and I may even be wrong at times, but illogical? NEVER. I will join the rest of the blog in condemning this senseless act. But it is clearly in the best interests of the muslim community to make their loyalties as clear as day in the next few weeks and months.

Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 02:20 PM (8e/V4)

13 Venom If the man who was attacked had been spouting off about how the terrorist were justified, then your point is right on. However, by all accounts the man was in the wrong place at the wrong time and paid for that 'sin' with his life. There is no excuse for it, and those that did it should have to pay for it with their own lives as well.

Posted by: Defense Guy at July 13, 2005 02:31 PM (jPCiN)

14 Let the Brits sent these people away by law, but peacefully and humanely. "Right" doesn't need to resort to human vandalism.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 02:36 PM (x+5JB)

15 DG, Uh, isn't that the point I made? I think I stated that there was no justification for what was done.

Posted by: Venom at July 13, 2005 02:44 PM (dbxVM)

16 Earlier this morning I saw this posted as an AP story. It might have pulled, as I could no longer find it to reference. It is hard to say whether this was done due to misinformation or ???

Posted by: RomeoDelta at July 13, 2005 02:45 PM (AHaCg)

17 Perhaps, if you can, you should provide a video link to it, so we can see the enemy. Sheesh.

Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at July 13, 2005 02:49 PM (h9w01)

18 Wouldn't it be interesting to find out that this man in some way actually had ties to the bombers? Yes, yes... I know that Pakistan is a big country and all, but 3 of the identified bombers were from Pakistan, and this guy just happens to be visiting family during the time of the massacre? I highly doubt there's a connection, but an interesting thought nonetheless.

Posted by: RomeoDelta at July 13, 2005 02:52 PM (AHaCg)

19 As ye sow, also shall ye reap. The harvest is ready for gathering now, and muslims are finding they have planted fields of thorns. May they choke on them.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 03:02 PM (0yYS2)

20 Jesus Christ, Just because the guy was a Pakistani doesn't mean he had any ties to even Islam, let alone the bombers. I went to two CofE schools in England, and it was full of Pakistani kids, so it doesn't even mean he was Muslim because he was from Pakistani. talk about ignorant.

Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:10 PM (fsJ2z)

21 Dave, Ignorance involves not realizing the probability that my idea is incorrect. I, on the other hand, CLEARLY stated that I found the possibility of a connection to be unlikely. In my mind, it is you who are the ignorant one... as you either did not fully read, nor grasp the full concept within my comment. And, I'd prefer if you didn't address me as Jesus Christ in the future. I'm not fit to tie his sandals. ~RD

Posted by: RomeoDelta at July 13, 2005 03:15 PM (AHaCg)

22 actually in your mind, it sounds like all people with brown skin might be evil Muslims -- won't you be surprised.

Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:17 PM (fsJ2z)

23 Yeah, Dave. Chill.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 03:18 PM (x+5JB)

24 Dave, Now who is stereotyping whom? I think you'll find that you are barking up the wrong tree when it comes to accusing me of racism or religious bigotry. Want to try a different game? You'll likely come up empty there too, so I'd recommend you take YBP's advice and chill. ~RD

Posted by: RomeoDelta at July 13, 2005 03:23 PM (AHaCg)

25 stereotyping? sorry, did the guy that wrote: "this guy just happens to be visiting family during the time of the massacre?" "Wouldn't it be interesting to find out that this man in some way actually had ties to the bombers?" because the person beaten was from Pakistan just accuse me of sterotyping? You' would have wrote the same thing right if he was White and from Berlin right?

Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:26 PM (fsJ2z)

26 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/4680891.stm

Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:40 PM (fsJ2z)

27 All right, kids. Don't make me come over there.

Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 03:44 PM (fl6E1)

28 Dave, I'm a card-carrying, flag waving, bleeding heart registered democrat liberal, and a friend of Romeo's. While we don't see eye to eye on all political issues, we both agree that the right to freely express opinions is a value we hold dear. You might be interested to know that Romeo is not racist, nor is he lacking in intellect or communication skills. He is a well educated, eloquent and balanced individual--who also happened to work and live in the Middle East! So your accusations of racism are very off the mark. I take his "what if" commentary as nothing more than that, a "what if", much like my current musing, "What if it was sunny and hot this weekend and I could spend extra time weeding my garden?" Have a great day! Cheers, happygardeningmama

Posted by: happygardeningmama at July 13, 2005 03:46 PM (AHaCg)

29 This string delineates the Jawa Community along two clear lines. Those who have sympathy for the man who was murdered and those who find joy in his death. The latter lineage, are no better than the description they attribute to Islam, i.e., it is a fundementally flawed religion. Your attitude leaves no room for reconciliation, which is the only possible way to end this madness, short of the total annihillation of humanity. I'm certain, that like the former lineage, there is a strong core with whom we can find common ground in the Islamic community. This will be our salvation. The first step is to be more even handed in dealing with the Israeli/Palestinian situation. From this step will shine the beacon of peace.

Posted by: greg at July 13, 2005 03:48 PM (OiV6y)

30 I'm sorry my comments must have been REALLY off the mark if he needed someone to come over here and tell me he's not a racist. Feel free to apologize, I have nothing better to go by that his own words, you evidently know him better so let's just say he's not a racist if it makes everyone concerned "happy".

Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:54 PM (fsJ2z)

31 Bullshit greg, you hate Jews and are always willing to believe it was them instead of muslims who murdered people. The only common ground that muslims have in mind for us is the grave, dhimmis like you included.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 04:08 PM (0yYS2)

32 Be nice to greg you know what an effort it was for him to be so reasonable. Greg is right there is a perception that the US always goes with Israel and let's Palestine suffer. While me may scold Israel in private when they thumb their nose at us a public scolding or two might help dispell that perception. Example: some times the US works it's butt off trying to make a deal. There is a certain element in Israel that does not want peace just more expansion. Just Just about the time we get close to making progress boom they bulldoze a house or carry out an assisination at just the wrong moment. I don't often support Palestine since I watched them Cheering the WTC. But not to look a Israel with a critcal eye is not right either. Greg goes overboard with it in my opinion but that's greg's mission. We need to make the US wag Israel's dog not he other way around. While the war in Iraq seems to have taken a lot of the attention from this issue it stands to reason that until Palestine and Israel come to an agreement there will be problems. Maybe since the spotlight is off that issue right now they can quietly make some progress there. For sure there is plenty of guilt on both sides. I just don't think we should always support Israel no matter what. I think that bombing there the other day was the terrorist trying to get attention back. Maybe the war on terror is just the thing to get peace there. Unlikely but I think there is more hope now than in a long time. I put it at about 80/20 palestine/Israel but for sure Israel should rightfully get some of the blame. The concept of Israel looking our for Israel and not the US is not all that far fetched. We look out for them a lot more than they look out for us.

Posted by: Howie at July 13, 2005 04:38 PM (D3+20)

33 Well Said Howie

Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 04:45 PM (F1nba)

34 Oh and I havent heard anything about this story over here. If its true then it is terrible but that could happen here to me walking down the street with my children. It could have nothing to do with reprisals and more to do wth the yob culture that is overrunning this country.

Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 04:49 PM (F1nba)

35 I fully agree with Rusty. The vigilante violence referred to only hurts the cause of reason. There's plenty of room for vigilance, but we really don't need any vigilantism right now. I also agree with the commenters who denounce any blaming of the victim. We can all discuss positive steps the Muslim world could take at another time. I don't know who this Pakistani man was, but he probably didn't deserve to get beaten to death, and he certainly didn't deserve to get beaten to death simply because he was Pakistani. This man's killing was wrong. Period. The people responsible should be severely punished. Period.

Posted by: Eman at July 13, 2005 04:51 PM (c/4ax)

36 Sparky: personally, I wouldn't walk around in the Meadows in Nottingham either, but it wasn't a surprise to me to see reprisals of this nature occuring.

Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 04:57 PM (fsJ2z)

37 A few more beatings and Muslims may be properly deterred from visiting! He who does not take up arms against Jihadism is by default a Jihadist. I am looking forward to more instances of Muslim homicide bombers waking up bovine Europeans who shrink from the Kulturkampf we must fight.

Posted by: Hugh Jorgan at July 13, 2005 04:59 PM (u9usz)

38 I hate this freaking keyboard.

Posted by: Howie at July 13, 2005 05:03 PM (D3+20)

39 Dave Im not surprised either I may not agree that this is the best way forward but I would like to see the Muslim community coming forward and letting the authorities know of anyone who is spouting their hate in the mosques they are the only ones who can help us tackle the problems but will they? The sad state of affairs is that until people in this country see some movement in this direction this is the sort of stupidity we can expect. Greg Will we be seeing you eat a little humble pie in respect of your post that they were british,they were but they were british MUSLIMS

Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 05:25 PM (F1nba)

40 "The sad state of affairs is that because people in this country will see only trivial movement in this direction, this is the sort of inevitable, visceral response we can expect." Fixed it for you.

Posted by: Hugh Jorgan at July 13, 2005 05:45 PM (u9usz)

41 GREG OOPS watch those crumbs your getting them all over the carpet! Hugh thank you I think

Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 06:09 PM (F1nba)

42 Until muslims come out in force to expose and eject from among them extremists, terrorists, and their supporters, they must all be considered enemies. When they start turning in the jihadis then they can expect safety, until then, they are all enemies.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 06:44 PM (0yYS2)

43 IM: http://www.blackfive.net/main/ They have pictures of Iraqi's that marched against terrorism on July 5th, next question -- Why haven't we heard about it from the press?

Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 09:40 PM (fsJ2z)

44 A good place for Pakistanis is Pakistan. End of problems now and in the future. Let us face the truth. England screwed up by allowing too many ragheads into their country. Now they have a problem. This problem will grow and grow until the Brits realize that massive deportations is the only answer. I will point out for the muslim excuse makers that the score this week in England is 52 dead and 300 wounded by the muslims and 1 dead (if true, which I doubt) by the English (Christians). And yet some seem to still make excuses for the muslims and critize Christians who have had enough.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:22 PM (CBNGy)

45 Hi Sparky: Long time. I trust you and family are fine. I have a new grandson.

Posted by: Greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:24 PM (CBNGy)

46 Muslims marching is one thing; it could easily be a massive damage control campaign, but I will believe there's a change when they start giving up names of terrorists is supporters. I would like to see islam change, but I'm not holding my breath, but rather spending more time at the range and the gym. Like the old Arab proverb goes: Trust Allah, but tie up your camel.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 11:54 PM (0yYS2)

47 Greyrooster CONGRATULATIONS I hope all are well. Does he look like his Grandad? You have been MIA for a while is this why?

Posted by: Sparky at July 14, 2005 06:00 AM (F1nba)

48 Sparky: "Greg, Will we be seeing you eat a little humble pie in respect of your post that they were british,they were but they were british MUSLIMS

" Sparky, next to apple pie ala mode, humble pie is my favorite. Remember, these 4 are Suspects. I hear there is a video of the 4 meeting prior to disbursing and reportedly doing the bombing. I haven't watched much TV lately, so I may be wrong about this, but I haven't seen the video or even a still photo of the tetrad. Have you? I want 1st hand evidence, not a second hand account from Big Brother. Even if such a video exists, is it proof any wrong doing? Are any of the other points of evidence proof, or just circumstantial evidence? Was any of the evidence manufactured (see the next paragraph regarding the manufactured 9-11 story). Cui bono? Blair, who was receiving great resistance in the pursuit of the passage of the new British anti-terrorism bill, will now have the bill sail through. If the bombs were designed to be detonated remotely, why not do so? It makes no sense to me. I can't imagine someone with an 8 month old baby killing himself when he could explode his bomb remotely. Apparently the man's own family had no idea that he was a 'terrorist', as they called the police to report him missing. You and others believe that these men are guilty, not because it's a slam dunk, but merely because you have been told that is the case. I remember after 9-11, we were shown a picture that was reported to be Mohammed Atta entering the Portland, Oregon airport. I never saw pictures of the other 18 entering the airports of their final departure site. According to a BBC report , 4 of the hijackers are still alive, read it for yourself: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm and yet Big Brother never corrected himself. To this day, the FBI still lists the 4 live men as being among the 'terrorists'. Why? Do they think we are that stupid? Are we that stupid? I for one am not, despite, what others on this site might say about me. I remain unconvinced.

Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 06:39 AM (rkHVU)

49 "A British disaster recovery consultant working at the scene of the London 7/7 bombings tells British TV and radio how they occurred precisely at the times and places scheduled in a terrorism drill he was running. July 13, 2005Â—The slip was showing On Her Majesty's Secret Service, broadcast on prime time TV for all Britain to see on the evening of 7/7Â—but almost no one noticed. It happened on a special called Target London. Rescue workers on one half of the screen, and on the other, Peter Power, a British consultant, innocently giving the game away. Can you see what's wrong with this picture? Power: Today we were running an exercise for a company . . . 1,000 people involved in the whole organizationÂ—with the crisis team. And the most peculiar thing was, it was we based on a scenario of simultaneous attacks on a underground and mainline station. So we had to suddenly switch an exercise from fictional to real. . . . Interviewer: Just to get this right, you were actually working today on an exercise that envisioned virtually this scenario? Power: Almost precisely. [2] Within the hour Mr. Power was on the radio, too: Power: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now. Host: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise? Power: Precisely. [3] You might need to be a paranoid 9/11 conspiracy theorist like me to understand what Mr. Power was saying, since as a normal person, he himself was surprised but not suspicious." Just like on 9-11, the 'suicide bombers' operated under the cover of a drill. Were they part of the drill? Did they think they were carrying fake expolsives? Is this why they died despite carrying explosives that could be detonated remotely? Were they patsies in a psyop like Oswald? Under the cicumstances, these are valid questions.

Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 07:51 AM (0PbLu)

50 Correction: Atta was supposedly filmed in Portland,MAINE not Oregon, although it makes no difference.

Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 07:57 AM (0PbLu)

51 Venom You are of course right, and I should have read your post more closely. My apologies.

Posted by: Defense Guy at July 14, 2005 10:46 AM (jPCiN)

52 Greg remains unconvinced that muslims did this, but convinced that Jooooooos did it. He also remains a mouth-breathing moron who lives in his mom's basement.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:35 AM (0yYS2)

53 No worries. I kinda figured you weren't referring to me.

Posted by: Venom at July 14, 2005 11:36 AM (dbxVM)

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July 05, 2005

I Kill, I Molest, I Blog: Joseph Duncan's Frightening Weblog

Joseph Duncan is the registered sex-offender who murdered the family of Shasta Groene before abducting her. In addition to being a murderer, a rapist, and a pedophile, it seems that (warning, a reader tells me that Duncan's site has a virus: click with caution) Joseph Duncan is also a blogger (via Ace of Spades HQ and Conservative Thinking). His website was started to advocate the rights of sex-offenders, something I'm sure the ACLU would be proud of. From what I gather, he had a personal blog and a corresponding advocacy site.

Duncan's Fifth Nail website has been taken down, but thanks to Google's cache many things become apparent. The subtitle of the blog was: The daily thoughts and activities of a 'Level 3 Sex Offender'

Warning: In light of what we now know about Joseph Duncan, many of his twisted writings become grotesque and sickening. The faint at heart should not read on. more...

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1 I say: One strike and your out for First Degree Rape of a Child. Look what a Â“20 year sentence did for the latest victims. Only childless barren liberal moon bats would advocate letting these monsters out after killing or ruining a childÂ’s life. Let the far left campaign on it. 90% of America would favor mandatory life without parole for First degree rape of a child.

Posted by: Brad at July 05, 2005 05:16 PM (3OPZt)

2 90% of America would favor mandatory life without parole for First degree rape of a child. Count me as one of the other 10%. Any sentence that leaves this guy breathing is too lenient in this parent's opinion.

Posted by: Brian B at July 05, 2005 05:30 PM (CouWh)

3 I'm generally opposed to the sexual offender registries, but mostly for reasons of pragmatism: the information they contain is usually too vague and covers too many people to be useful. There are 70 alone in my zip code, and I haven't the foggiest idea from the descriptions what most of them did. Also, why should I consider someone convicted of a "Class II sexual misdemeanor" (whatever that is, the registries don't say) more of a concern than someone convicted of attempted arson or attempted murder or aggravated assault? This monster was more than a child rapist, he's a spree killer. Would his crime be less horrific if he'd "only" killed and not actually raped anyone?

Posted by: Dean Esmay at July 05, 2005 06:06 PM (Fs6IG)

4 To bad Joseph E. Duncan the turd i`m third didn`t have brian b`s home adress instead...

Posted by: mike at July 05, 2005 06:42 PM (DG+dn)

5 To bad Joseph E. Duncan the turd or the third didnt have brian b`s home address instead...

Posted by: mike at July 05, 2005 06:50 PM (DG+dn)

6 That's why we have the ACLU, for satanists and child molesters.

Posted by: Carlos at July 05, 2005 08:04 PM (8e/V4)

7 Amen Carlos; the American Criminal Lovers Union.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 05, 2005 09:53 PM (0yYS2)

8 You are sick minded. You need help. You need to start talking. We want to know the truth.

Posted by: Miguel Barron at July 05, 2005 11:21 PM (4bmwf)

9 We need a Devil's Island for real lifetime after release. No kids, no privacy, no exit, real hard work. And the death penalty for ANY felony.

Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at July 05, 2005 11:41 PM (xX0fS)

10 I think a simple homing device...along the lines of the Lo Jack on my car might be a nice simple beginning step...or for the price conscious...a beg red tattoo on the center of the forehead PERVERT....

Posted by: Crystal Clear at July 06, 2005 01:52 AM (CQDk7)

11 what a sick bastard

Posted by: Jane at July 06, 2005 08:45 AM (6krEN)

12 Brian, as a father I share your feelings about these sick predators. However, I think we would have a better chance of passing initiatives in states if we demand life without parole for child rape. I do not believe we could get anything passed that required the death penalty. While life in prison is too good for these monsters, it is better protection for our kids than the insane system we have now

Posted by: Brad at July 06, 2005 08:58 AM (pO1tP)

13 Brad said: "I do not believe we could get anything passed that required the death penalty." Which is just another reason to never EVER vote dhimmicrat.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 06, 2005 09:48 AM (0yYS2)

14 Child Molester Tracking Device

Posted by: Oxen at July 06, 2005 10:13 AM (w9vWW)

15 "In addition to being a murderer, a rapist, and a pedophile..." Hey, muzzies should love this guy!

Posted by: Princess Kimberley at July 06, 2005 01:06 PM (LNA9X)

16 Why in the hell should we pay the annual upkeep for someone who can't be rehabilitated who will re-offend if let loose? No, I think they deserve to die. Little Jessica Lunsford was buried alive with her little stuffed dolphin...these sickos don't give their victims any choices, they themselves don't deserve any. We've got to quit having such "sympathy" for the perpetrators of crimes. I'm seeing the same sick "sympathy" for the terrorist beheaders in IRAQ. This is mis-placed and dangerous thinking. In both cases, the perps deserve to die. It's mercy; relieving them from their pain in this life. And somehow giving the victims' families the peace of mind to know they won't ever ever do it to some other child.

Posted by: Cao at July 06, 2005 06:13 PM (RyucI)

17 Thanks for doing the thankless job of bringing to light this evildoer. May IT'S death be painful and public. Preferably by castration via machete.

Posted by: Josef at July 06, 2005 07:29 PM (EpYpQ)

18 Your hyperlink to Conservative Thinking has a hyperlink to a better archive of this spawn of Satan. As you may know, Huckleberries Online & Conservative Thinking is also doing yeoman's work on this.

Posted by: Josef at July 06, 2005 09:36 PM (EpYpQ)

19 Castration, and NOT chemical is the only way to deal with these sickos. Sorry but had they handled it differently when he brutally terrorized and raped the first 14 year old victim...perhaps Shasta would have been spared and my mind cannot even ... imagine ...the horrors her young brother would have been saved from.

Posted by: DT at July 06, 2005 09:43 PM (dOPjB)

20 Why was he allowed to post bail and be released? Apparently the judge wasnt aware of how dangerous he was! People have to stop turning their heads when it comes to these twisted and evil crimes on children. People have to work together and make a difference. What is the chance they will be rehabilitated? from what I hear, its next to nothing!! Let him suffer in prison w\out seperation rights from other prisoners or give him the death penalty. unfortunately,that will be better than what little Dylan was given.

Posted by: gilbert at July 06, 2005 11:04 PM (ht7ZY)

21 DT, I totally agree with you. However, what can we reasonably expect as a best case? 1. Castration? 2. Death penalty? 3. Life without parole after ONE offense? I say 1 or 2 are preferable, but not realistic,we could pass #3 or get democrats defeated opposing it. The best thing we could do for the children of this country is actually pass a law that would leave the kids better off, not fall on a sword that the dems could mount a successful defense against. There is a movement in WA to get a one strike youÂ’re out ballot initiative moving forward. I believe we could by-pass the dem Legislature and Governor and get a super majority of voters to pass it. The dems would look like fools trying to oppose it.

Posted by: Brad at July 06, 2005 11:18 PM (pO1tP)

22 Preferably by castration via machete. Let's just send them to Afghanisatan, on special ops raping little Talibanazis. Like the Dirty Dozen. WoW! What great movie!

Posted by: Jesus Dorkas at July 07, 2005 04:27 AM (qMxTg)

23 Brad-Yes unfortunately the many bleeding hearts out there would never allow castration or the death penalty for first offenses. Of course life in prison, at tax payers expense, is the only way to go...just make sure it is in the general population. My understanding is their is an heirarchy even in the prisions...I am sure the pervs would make a nice 'bitch' for some hungry Bubba. Sorry I have three kids, and from what I gathered from a Montana paper, I haven't seen it in the national news, Dylan suffered...and I mean that and of course Shasta is going to be traumatized by what happened and what she witnessed for the rest of her life. No sympathy here for pedophiles...I still say hit 'em where it hurts...FULL castration.

Posted by: DT at July 07, 2005 12:45 PM (dOPjB)

24 There is no "cure" or rehabilitation for pedophiles. That's not to say a person cannot overcome or control their urges if they want to badly enough... but just like drinking and other compulsive illnesses, what happens when they "fall off the wagon"? Control or not, the urges never go away. Castration is not an answer either, because the kind of crimes that Duncan has committed (besides the possible murders) stem from something much deeper than a sexual perversion. If he had no wanker, he'd have used an object or administered torture in some other manner. His crime is about defiling something innocent. It is rape taken to it's most horrible level. Castration wouldn't stop someone like him. There is no doubt in my mind that he needs to die. And I didn't have to hear any demons to know that. God told me. He had it written in my Bible. I saw a show on TV where they claimed Nevada has mandatory life-without-parole for sexual contact with any child under the age of 14. It is supposedly not dependent on it being a repeat offense. Does anyone know if this is true? I am all for the death penalty, but if mandatory life in prision without parole is the best we can do, it is at least better than what we have now. Each of us needs to push for these kinds of laws in our own state. Write letters, send faxes, visit your local politicians... do whatever it takes. Many Legislators even have e-mail. IT IS WAY PAST TIME FOR US TO TAKE A STAND FOR THE SAKE OF THE CHILDREN! Jen, in Maryland

Posted by: Jen at July 07, 2005 10:10 PM (uN/ka)

25 I'm a mother, liberal and a lifelong Dem and I don't believe that sex offenders should be allowed to live. I don't believe that they should be allowed back into society. I'm tired of hearing conservatives blame liberals for people (and I use that word very loosely) such as this scum. As if life is better and safer under conservatives. I don't feel safer. My only safety is to do everying thing I can to protect my children. Although I disagree with conservatives, as they approach things in a self-righteous, self-serving, controlling, and heavy handed way, I do agree that there should be no mercy for anyone who harms children in any way. Btw, there are many Democrats that don't make the news that believe in the death penalty for capital crimes, which I believe kidnapping and rape of anyone (especially children) should be classified.

Posted by: Monica at July 08, 2005 02:22 AM (g2osv)

26 Okay, I've never been accused of being conservative, but I do have fantasies about what I'd like to see happen to this guy. I think he should be locked up with a toilet and a little trap door for food never to be let out again. No reading materials. No writing materials. No human contact. This guy said that he's afraid of being alone. He would have to sit in the filth of his own mind and body until the end. He would have nobody to tell his sob stories to. No one to justify his actions to. I don't want him to be killed. I want him to die ALONE with only his "demons" to keep him company. God is judge.

Posted by: Kristin at July 08, 2005 08:22 AM (bc2IC)

27 Damn..Don't blame the ACLU for this guy. They did'nt let him out of prison. One of the main reason they let people like him out is to make room for all the millions of new prisners coming in.probly for something atrocius like being caught for smoking a joint. You want people like him to stay in longer. repeal the prohibition of drug use and let drug ofenders out to make room for vermin like this piece of work. I bet the ACLU will thank you for this, then they don't have to deal with jerks like Rush L.

Posted by: tim at July 08, 2005 08:42 AM (eZhHa)

28 Err, no Tim, Just lock the sick bastards up for life with no possibility for parole. Why is it so hard for you lefties to say yes to this? You are the problem!

Posted by: Brad at July 08, 2005 09:39 AM (pO1tP)

29 First off, I wish to reiterate that I think we should pass a law that anyone who commits a premeditated murder automatically wins table number #1, (yes the lethal injection girdy.) I am willing to expanded this to accomadate Monica's wishes that if anyone premeditatively or spontaneously kills a child, they win table #1 also. As for sex offenders, once again I state I see there are two types. Those that force and those that trick. What I mean by that is that anyone who "forces" some one, is one who violently does so, with guns, knifes, whatever. These scum should get a special treatment that I heard that Japan uses on prisoners. (Don't know if it is true or not, but sounds cool.) For the rest of their life, they will get 15 minutes to eat three meals a day (total of 45 minutes), 8 hours of sleep, 15 minute shower, 7 hours of a work detail, and 8 hours sitting in a yoga position (foot on opposite thigh, hands on knees.) and contemplate what they have done. IF they start to slouch or sleep, a good piece of bamboo to the shoulders could correct that. This would be for the remainder of their life. Of course this is for only the sex offenders that force their prey, and did not kill. Those who kill, see above. Now those who trick the victims, I believe these to be few by comparison. What I mean is those who gets their victims to willingly have sex with them, but should not, (ie a 20 year old conning a 13 year old to have sex.) These will get the same prison treatment as above, but for a certain length of time. Honestly I believe all criminal in jail should get the above treatment. I can think of nothing more that I would hate than to have to sit straight for eight hours with nothing do but think. I am sure after one prison term, I would not go back.

Posted by: Butch at July 08, 2005 12:02 PM (Gqhi9)

30 As a mother of 3 and a grandmother of one, this whole thing makes me sick! I feel horrible and sick to my stomach for what Shasta and her brother Dylan had to endure. And to make it even worse her mother and other brother are also dead at that hands of this monster. Chemical castration? FUCK THAT! Kill that monster!! He can't be rehabilitated! And why should honest hardworking taxpaying citizens have to pay for this monster to recieve 3 meals a day, a bed and a roof over his head??? I say kill these monsters and be done with it. He was in prison for 17 years and when he got out how many children did he harm? We'll probably never know. My prayers are with the Groene family.

Posted by: Alma at July 08, 2005 12:36 PM (9YN3E)

31 No Brad...Assholes like you are the problem. I did;nt say not to lock the guy up and cut off his balls. I said make room for them to do that in the prison system by letting out people that did not commit crimes against others by making what they did not a crime. People like Rush Limbaugh (who I wish was in prison) who only hurt themselves by the "crimes" they commited. By the way, you did know it is the ACLU that is representing Rush. No Brad...Your the problem. You can't figure these things out....You need us liberals to do it for you...Get fucked Brad

Posted by: tim at July 08, 2005 01:29 PM (eZhHa)

32 Tim, your getting a little carried away. Let me point out a few things to you son. No one is in prison for smoking a joint. They are in prison for transporting mass quantities of Pot for distribution. They are also in prison for setting up meth labs, dealing coke and other dangerous drugs. Saying people are in prison for smoking a joint is Â…well A lie. Plenty of waste in the budget to cut and build new warehouses for child rapists. What it boils down to is this. The left will not consent to castration, death or life in prison for child rapists. They will try to defer you good people from protecting your children by the likes of the stupid fluff thrown up by Tim. Tim is either a childless pot smoking gay man who cares nothing for our kids or a young man living in his parentÂ’s basement who smokes weeeeeeed when the folks are at work. Remember parents, the goal is to get meaningful protection for our kids. The left will protect these animals like they are an endangered species. LetÂ’s get Life without parole passed in our states and build the cages necessary to store the sub humans in. Pelosi, Frank, Waxman,Connyers and people like Tim will tell you we are wrong. Push the gas pedal and run them over with CitizenÂ’s Initiatives in your states to get it accomplished. Also Tim, clean up you mouth son, this is not a bathhouse!!!

Posted by: Brad at July 08, 2005 01:51 PM (3OPZt)

33 It is refreshing to know that even a few liberals believe the death penalty in cases of pedophila or child rape is acceptable...and by the same token nice to know that conservatives (who tend to be pro-life) ALSO see the need for scum like Duncan to meet the needle. Maybe there IS some chance of the two forces meeting in the middle. How wonderful. Honestly I don't care which side of the fence you stand on...I just want to know that while I am doing everything I can to protect my kids, I don't have to worry about being hammered to death in own HOME by some pervert after my kids. Damn owning a gun is sounding better and better.

Posted by: DT at July 08, 2005 04:12 PM (dOPjB)

34 Being a victim twice of child molesters at the age of 2 and 7, I can confirm there is no cure for these monsters. Do us victims a favor and put an end to the constant nightmare we face each day. Death is the only answer.

Posted by: Yvonne at July 08, 2005 06:32 PM (PMxat)

35 fuck you Brad ass...I'm a liberal and I'm all for cutting the guys balls up and locking him up and throughing away the key..

Posted by: tim at July 08, 2005 07:13 PM (eZhHa)

36 Yvonne, and tim, I guess the thing you don't get is we do not get to kill these guys. Next best thing is to put them away for life. Even the libs would back this. Yvonne, since the libs will never give you what you want, we will be stuck with what we have now, a mess. I was looking for a better plan. Yours is unreal and leaves us where we are now. Hey Tim, just a real pleasure talkin.

Posted by: Brad at July 08, 2005 08:01 PM (pO1tP)

37 Hey Rusty, The site has not been taken down. I found a mirror site that has the same posts as the original. http://fifthnail.blogspot.com/

Posted by: kermit at July 08, 2005 10:08 PM (DX+fh)

38 hang this basterd in the cda park!let him hang all summer with a sign saying "this is what you get if you come to idaho to prey on ours!" that judge who put his bail slitly higher than pocket change needs a little neck tie to

Posted by: doug at July 09, 2005 12:13 AM (pO1tP)

39 I work in a prison, which houses these sicks pieces of sh1t, and can tell you that most of them are not affected by being in prison. They are the biggest complainers, filing grievances for the most ridiculous things, such as "My food was cold yesterday and Officer Joe Blow made me eat it or go without lunch". The food was designed to be a cold meal - cold cuts. They are so sick too. We constantly find them attempting to collect pictures of little children, cut out of magazines and books. Also, it has become an issue that society has overlooked for so long that the other inmates do not outcast them any more. They simply become "Bubba's" wife, which they like or they do legal work, trying to help get the other scum bags out of prison or they file fradualant income tax returns for inmates, a scam which would piss the average tax payer off if they knew how rampant it is. Generally, they are accepted among this new breed of criminals. To most of the dirt-bags, in prison, it's society that is the problem, not the child molestor/murderer. We have the new law, in Florida, that guarantees 25 to life for first time offenders. I am glad to see this implements; however, I would prefer hard labor also. I don't see how we, as society, can let these maggots live in a prison, work a simple job, go to the library and learn how to file administrative complaints at will, eat three decent meals a day, play hand-ball, watch television and engage in sex acts. They need to work so hard during the day that they fall asleep right after work, with no time or energy to play in their little world. Sorry to ramble, but this really makes me sick - I have to see it, first hand. everyday.

Posted by: Max at July 09, 2005 04:44 AM (2zp4l)

40 I don't think castration will stop these sexual predators - they still have hands and feet and teeth. I tend to like the idea of sending them to the front lines in Iraq, one way ticket, of course.

Posted by: syllvyy at July 09, 2005 04:48 AM (sD4bm)

41 Brad, I hear you, buddy. We need to get this thing passed, ASAP. Life without parole, period. It's been high-time, for too long now. If the lefties would wake the hell up, get outta their funk, and allow their hearts to bleed for what they should be bleeding for (the innocent little children) instead of, these boils on the ass of society, we could all breathe a sigh of relief when something like this happens (knowing there WON'T be a chance of them walking among us once they've been locked away.) It still blows my mind that this freak was put back out on the streets. The judge that set his bail was without doubt, fully cognizant of what a risk he was to society. What the hell was he thinking? I don't know if you watch OReilly, but he said tonight that he's sent multiple letters, made multiple phone calls; he's actively persuing this life without parole in each state. Good for him. We can't all sit and whine about it, we've gotta act on it as well. I like Butch's thoughts on this too. However, I believe the first time one of these guys fell asleep, rather than a nice piece of bamboo across the shoulders, how about a nice fat piece of bamboo, right straight up the ass. Tim, check your anti-psychotic meds, dude. Sure it's not time for a refill?

Posted by: Gwen at July 09, 2005 05:08 AM (GkBUm)

42 Tim you need to get a fuckin brain! I am a mother and I guarantee you if any disgusting sex offender would ever lay a hand on her the taxpayers would not have to be burdened with taking care of him. I would kill the fucker and if I had the chance, it would not be a quick and painless death. People like you make me fuckin sick!

Posted by: mary at July 09, 2005 08:10 PM (4Sq4a)

43 I'm with Max on this one. But what is the solution? I have it but the liberals would call me murderer, Hitler, etc. etc. Why should honest, hardworking people absorb the cost of housing long time criminals who will never be responsible citizens? Wouldn't the money be better spent on Education? I like and support the three strikes and you are out law. My take is three strikes and you are out really means you are out. Not housed for the rest of your life. Three strikes and they should meet their maker.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 09, 2005 11:07 PM (CBNGy)

44 I live in Coeur D' ALene, Where Duncan's last victims lives and lived. Brenda used to come over to our house when I was a child. My daughter went to the same school as Shasta and Dylan. I never thought something like this would happen in our city. My mom has been working very hard to get those children found. When Shasta was found without Dylan at a local Denny's (where a friend of mine was working at the time) with Duncan, we had no idea what kind of person he was! How could a human being do something so horrific? But then I dont consider him hunam at all!!! What a sick sick sick man, just reading his blogs gives me chills. That poor girl, to be the only survivor of something like that.

Posted by: Sanity at July 10, 2005 02:01 PM (pO1tP)

45 I am so at odds. While I prefer the idea to killing Duncan and perverts like him...it just seems too, well much to kind to give them a short painless death after all the horrors they inflict. On the other hand...life imprisonment, at tax payer expense leaves an ugly taste in my mouth too. Maybe they need to get more creative for the punishments for rapists and pedophiles...I say GO MEDIEVAL!

Posted by: DT at July 10, 2005 06:30 PM (dOPjB)

46 ya'll don't get it..I'm a liberal and I'm for ending this jerks life as soon as posible although it probly would be harder on him to spend the rest of his life dealing with the "normal" prison population. They have a way to make life real hard on these kinds of people. But here's the bottom line.. You conservatives blame all the countrys problem on the leberals. You talk about us in terms much like this kid killer..Tell you what Brad... I don't smoke pot or do drugs and I am pretty good at kicking ass. The way I see it,we got a civil war brewing right here in this country. The libs and the conservatives.. I know yal are wating for us to bring it on. Dont worry it's coming...

Posted by: tim at July 10, 2005 09:53 PM (eZhHa)

47 Having written a program to rehabilitate sex offenders and having worked with them...you need to know there is no cure for these creatures. They will continue to re-offend, feeling no remorse for the children they have violated. Offenders will demand every right that a normal person has legally and physically. The only cure is death, for just as one post states, "even when casterated they still have teeth , fingers , and foreign objects," they will use to violate the children they prey upon...the compulsion is in their head...what does that tell you? The only cure is to dispose of the body part that allows them to function. I am a mother and a professional, and I would dispose of an individual of this kind in a heartbeat. The damage done to the children left behind is everlasting, the scares go right to the soul of the victims. It takes years of therapy and even then there is residual effects to the small humans these fiends violate. I believe the only solution to this kind of individual(notice I will not use his name as I choose not to diginify him or allow him the humaness of a name) is death by decapitation... after he has suffered at the hands of the family..."an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth"...I say this after a long season of thought.

Posted by: Jeannie at July 11, 2005 12:05 AM (pO1tP)

48 Tim; Read the post by Max; the prison worker. This monster isn't going to meet karma in a prison, you can almost bet money on that much. Prison's going to be a cake walk for this loser. It's not going to be a shock to his system either, as we all know he's spent the majority of his life in one. I'm sure he knows what to expect, and what to do to survive by now. Honestly, I can't say that I'm for killing this loser. I still don't feel we have the right to take lives. And yeah, I'm from Texas too. Go figure. But, sure...I'd certainly like to see this psychotic freak suffer all the rest of his days. This monster raped little boys. Do you really think him becoming some guys "butt-buddy" in prison is going to ruin his day? This freak will probably enjoy it! The only thing we can hope for at this junctor, is that he'll be sent to a far rougher prison than the ones he's been housed in, in the past. Maybe this time, he'll display his cocky attitude, and get a little torture of his own. I hope someone beats this maniacle freak to a pulp. He needs a taste of his own medicine. And Tim, my apologizies. Initially, you didn't quite come across as you are now. It's so frustrating that this country sits in so many ruts, because the lefties are so damned determined to keep their asses planted in the mud. Yeah, alot of it IS the left. Sanity, my prayers are with you and your community. What a tragic and horrific thing to have happen so close to home. My Goodness, the existential fear and dread, that must surely come with having to tell the friends and aquaintances of those poor Groene children. So sad. So, very sad.

Posted by: Gwen at July 11, 2005 03:52 AM (oxd8R)

49 COME ON PEOPLE THIS IS NOT A LEFT OR RIGHT ISSUE....THIS IS HUMAN ISSUE. YOU WHO ATTEMPT TO MAKE THIS A POLITICAL ISSUE ARE DOLTS....WHAT PARTY PERSUASION IS THE JUDGE WHO TURNED THIS CREATURE LOOSE...CHECK IT OUT...AS I SAID THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE...

Posted by: jeannie at July 11, 2005 06:55 AM (pO1tP)

50 I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THIS SITE, I UNDERSTAND IT'S YOUR SITE BUT AS I READ IT I HAD TO DIREGARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS OF THE OWNER. I WANTED TO HAVE MY OWN OPINION OF JOE'S WRITINGS WITHOUT THE PURSUASION OF SOMEONE ELSES THOUGHTS TELLING ME WHAT HE WAS LIKE. ME? I DO THINK HE NEEDED HELP. I DON'T REALLY THINK HE HAD CONTROL. AT 17, BEING PUT IN JAIL FOR ALMOST 20 MORE- DON'T YOU THINK THAT WOULD DO SOMETHING TO A PERSON? REGARDLESS OF TREATMENT HE WOULD NEVER BE NORMAL. I DO THINK THEY TREAT SEX OFFENDERS BADLY. WHAT IF YOU RAN A RED LIGHT, CRASHED INTO SOMEONE AND KILLED THEM? THEN YOUR NAME WAS PUT INTO A DATABASE SAYING YOU WERE A TERRIBLE DRIVER AND EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR YOU. PEOPLE WOULD BE HARRASSING YOU NOT LETTING YOU FORGET WHAT YOU HAD DONE. IT WAS YOUR FAULT YOU RAN THE RED LIGHT, AS IT WAS HIS THAT HE COMMITED THE CRIME. BOTH WOULD NEED COUNSELING OR WHATEVER. I DO AGREE WITH HIM THAT SOCIETY MAKES IT HARDER FOR SEX OFFENDERS TO BE REHABILITATED. THE MAJORITY OF US ARE CLOSE MINDED AND SELFISH. I AM A 28 YR OLD FEMALE WITH A 7YR OLD SON AND A 6YR OLD DAUGHTER, RAISING THEM ON MY OWN. I TEACH MY CHILDREN THE STRANGER DANGER RULE AND AM SOMEWHAT OVERPROTECTIVE OF THEM. YOU DO HAVE TO LOVE THY ENEMY, BUT WHO AM I TO JUDGE THIS GUY? HE HAS A DISEASE, CLEARLY. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE JUDGING THIS GUY AND MAKING THINGS WORSE, YOU'RE JUST SPREADING HATRED. WHAT SHOULD BE GOING ON IS ALOT OF PRAYING FOR HIM, THE FAMILIES INVOLVED AND YOURSELF.

Posted by: SAD at July 11, 2005 11:56 AM (hn8pm)

51 I have read the Duncan blogs and am convinced he was just creating an audience and was delighted at the bs he was dishing out. He took those kids for his own sadistic pleasure, no demons told him. I get the impression he went for broke to fulfill the most deviant, sexualy sick and perverted act he could think of. Sick or not he knew he was doing wrong and smart enough to get help. Duncan now is history, the little darling that survived it all needs all our prayers and help so she can have as normal life as possible.

Posted by: hyc at July 11, 2005 01:20 PM (r4MNM)

52 Tim thinks the ACLU did not let this gut out? Who do you think has been protecting(for free) The North American Man/Boy Love Association. The ACLU defends their right to post tips for moltesing little boys. IT MAKES NO SENSE! THE ACLU SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OF THE COUNTRY...Sorry, sometimes the idiocy of the left(TIM & THE ACLU included) gets to me. This is the last country with any real sense of right and wrong, but I fear we are going the way of the Netherlands and others.

Posted by: BILL at July 11, 2005 04:40 PM (V6dMN)

53 Butt-raping a child or pointlessly beating humans to death (as if there *IS* a sensible reason to do so!) is a little different from running a red light and accidently killing a person, dontcha think? I'm sorry, have I missed the alikeness? This monster was cognizant of right and wrong. He made choices; he mindfully did the things he did. Who do you know in need of counseling for running through a red light? Great "analogy." ...thanks for the wisdom. The prayer, yeah. This man needs prayers. No arguements there. Any and all psychotic freaks like him, as well.

Posted by: Gwen at July 11, 2005 08:19 PM (oxd8R)

54 A male co-worker and I were having a discussion... he said... "Everyone deserves a second chance, but after that, they should be locked up for life..." I looked at him and said... "Okay, your 6 year old daughter gets to be his second chance... still feel the same way?" funny how he changed his tune. Also, I was listening to someone (sorry, can't give ya the person or station - just one of the many "experts" that have been on the tv) who said that they defend the decision to offer bail because Duncan wasn't a "violent" offender, pedophiles generally are non-violent and have a sexual dysfunction. HUH??? Since when is holding a gun to a 14 year olds head while you force him to perform oral sex on you and then top it off with an anal raping not violent??? Or a 60 year old pedophile forcing intercourse onto a 3 year old isn't violence??? what is it... love??? I guess if he had shot the kid that would have reached their level of violence??? It's no wonder we are a screwed up bunch!!!

Posted by: Linny at July 12, 2005 12:55 PM (EFx7r)

55 To all the Ducan's in the world, You are all so sick you need to be put in a room with parents we will show you what hurting our children is all about guantee you would never hurt another one talk about very sick thoughts i could top it hurt my child you would have a very slow death you are sick and deserve the worsed society could hand out. YOU SICK BASTARDS HAVE ALL THE EXCUSES AS TO WHY YOU SHOULD HURT A CHILD. What gives you the right is what i want to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank god your not my child!!!!!!! as far as i'm concern your mother delivered the devil and she is as much to blame as you are and where is you dad he belongs right aside you all Death is to good for all of you!! you are a sick preverted fuck who needs to be eattin my the wild animals of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: annette at July 12, 2005 01:39 PM (pO1tP)

56 The USA is way to civilized to do anything against a human being. Maybe we should do to Duncan what the taliban (or whoever they were) that captured Eugene Armstrong and videotaped his beheading did. That is the kind of treatment these SO's need. Anyone who watched that video of an innocent man being beheaded knows how sick and horrific it was, but to do it to someone like Duncan would cure this sexual offender crap real fast. Behead them in the same manner as those innocent captives were beheaded in Iraq and videotape it for all Sexual Offenders to see. Then ask them if they want to rape another child. Oh, but then I forgot about all those Human Rights Activist groups out there that actually assist these creeps and protect their rights. Where were they when they were hurting the children and murdering them???? This sickens me!!!

Posted by: diamond at July 12, 2005 06:54 PM (feoEV)

57 I have be wacth this case. i do think joseph eward ducan 111 need the dentaly pentarly because it not fair for the child to get hurt or kill no matter what. i cannot stay for a kids to get hurt. and i hope the do the right thing.

Posted by: amanda at July 13, 2005 05:34 PM (RD9JV)

58 i hope the judge does the right . i know the kids are the one to have to deal with the harm it happen. joseph eward ducan111 need the dentaly penatray for killing people.specail the kid he kill? the judge need to past law that sex offenderse should be allow out of jail.becasue they can strike again. joseph eward need take respbaity has for what he did. the demon are not the fault he is the one does.

Posted by: leannea at July 13, 2005 05:42 PM (RD9JV)

59 Think back to what the liberal def of prison is: REHABILITATION! HOW CAN YOU REHABILITATE DUNCAN?? Hear them now echoing the republican "hard on crime" sentiment but don't ypu ever forget that when your back is turned it's your fault,it the white mans fault and it's soceity's fault. The Democrats care only about one thin: The rule of law as they post it is the absolute rule of law, thier is no divine rule no god, they are god and thier rule is the rule of the earth. The Democrts are the evil on the earth and I'm a democrate!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Zach at July 14, 2005 02:09 AM (f8d4M)

60 i want to have sex with ducan and merry him and lay him he is mine babby and take off his clothes and go in bed with him and havesex and abuse i am going to kiss him and put my hand on his penis and butt and suck his penis and we me and ducan are going to get married!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jason at July 14, 2005 09:50 AM (O32Nn)

61 As a brother to three siblings, who were all sexually abused either by neighbors or family members, I believe there is NO rehabilitation for scum such as these. The only people as bad as them are the friends and family members who stand by allowing these crimes to occur, often repeatedly. I like what Dennis Miller said on one of his HBO shows, "If you can look at a little child and see something sexually arousing or interesting to you in that child, then please lean your head into the strike zone and take one for the team. It's time to thin the herd out a little more." Amen Dennins, Amen.

Posted by: James Cox at July 16, 2005 08:54 PM (hIP8m)

62 If you are ever sick enough to hurt a child in ANY way - you are sick and dangerous for life and should NEVER see the light of day again. You can't rehabilitate anyone like that.

Posted by: LAH at July 17, 2005 07:34 AM (m7QBB)

63 Ha!! It's me again...The sick, demented, ACLU supporting, Bush hating, non-chritstian (bhuddist), non-patriot (intitialy I was for the invasion of Iraq but when I found out how bad bush lied....,and now how his #2 man did the patriotic thing of revealing our spies to the world...). I just came back to point out another failure of the bush administration. One of his objectives according to his 2nd inagureal address was to bring the country together. These previous blogs show just how badley he has failed.As I pointed out earlier, Dems and Reps are at apoint of civil war right here in our own country. Pretty soon history books will be talking about the once great country, that defeated itself.

Posted by: tim at July 18, 2005 10:17 AM (eZhHa)

64 I have no mercy, feelings, or thought of good things for Duncan. I have a grandaughter 8 years old and everytime the thoughts of pedifiles come in my mind I think of her and all the other sexually abused children and in my opion WE as a nation need to join forces to change these smack on the wrist laws. Death, life in prison (toGood for them)or whatever it takes to remove them from society needs to be done. When you put people in the White House to represent you, make sure of their views on this issue. Call, write letters, whatever to your local congressmen NOW!!!! Our child could be next.

Posted by: Angie at July 18, 2005 06:07 PM (nzwJU)

65 Tim...True confession time...I'm 55 yrs. old and am what has been reffered as a survivor of (cant say regular word) being molested by family member. What happened is I was molested by my grandfather for about 5 or 6 years. It was not near as bad as what happened to the little girl above, but probly was worese than what happened to some of the victims of the catholic priest's. They got a lot of money for their victimiztion. I did'nt. Not that I am bitter about that, but hey, I could have used the money. I will tell you this. My life would have been drastically different if that had not happened. I garantee you it would have been way easier than it has been.And I garantee this...That little girl's life has been changed forever. Life will be much harder for her than it would had if not for duncan the child molester. Here is a point for you conservatives. My grandfather the molester was a die hard republican. If you did not know he was a child molester, you would have been proud of him. All the republican views you glorify (except those regarding molesting his grandchildren((my bro and suister to))are the views you espouse. Republicanism and conservatism are perfect camoflouge for child molesters,rapist's serial killers and such. They hide behind the normal image y'all posess. Two famous examples...Wayne Gayce,,,Ted Bundy. Bothe used their conservatism as covers.

Posted by: tim at July 18, 2005 06:36 PM (eZhHa)

66 More from tim...The above is all true. I am not making it up. You would think I would be bitter against child molesters. I am not...I think they are very sick people and should be kept off the streets and in mant cases executed as soon as it has been determined they are the guilty ones. I am bitter against conservatism. Here was a staunch conservative republican who berated me continualy for my liberal views and here he was ruining my life by his unspeakable ways..My view is this...What kind of hidden agendas do you have as a conservative. You act like Mr/ms. high and mighty and yet what kind of secrets do you hold. Are you a member of the klan,help knock off a few blacks by hanging them from a tree. Shoot a few commie liberal ACLU'ers in your life time. Or may be like my grandfather, molested a few kids here and there, maybe raped a few women. One thing about liberals, we don't hide who we are

Posted by: tim at July 18, 2005 06:48 PM (eZhHa)

67 I don't understand your thought process. You critize the ACLU (repeatedly)with obviously very little understanding of what the ACLU stands for. The ACLU is a long-time defender of freedom of speach -- including your speech. The ACLU has joined forces with a number of very conservative organizations, including the Eagle Form. You see, the point for the ACLU is the content of the speech that is valued, but the right to speak. You evidently find value in the website of Duncan or you would not quote it verbatim. Ironic isn't it? You, if actuality, have used -- to your benefit -- the same speech you critize the ACLU for protecting. If you don't think it should be protected, don't use it. Also, your statements about the ACLU and the sex offenders registry lacks a considerable basic understanding. As someone who would want to protect their families from sexual offenders, wouldn't you want to know the difference between someone 19 who was intimite with a 16-year-old to whom the "offender" has been lawfully married for 15 years and those who have been convicted of child molestation or rape. Of course you would. That is the "threat" the ACLU is taking about. If you have 30 register sexual offenders, 18 of them pose no threat to society, would you want to know the difference? It is much easier to protect your children from the two that matter than the 30 that may or may not matter, especially when you are not provided information on which to make an educated deccision. Or, perhaps as your website indicates, you just forego the "education," "information," and "speech" that may help you arive at an informed decision and seek to hate all 30. I wonder though, how many of you have a 19-year-old son?

Posted by: Kate at July 19, 2005 02:17 PM (QZn7I)

68 Tim, first of all, if you've truly been abused/molested (and even worse)...by someone you loved and trusted, then my heart goes out to you. I'm really sorry to hear that you were violated in such dispicable manner. Such stories rip my heart out. Where most of us suffer through lifes little adversities, children like you are left to work through catastrophies you've been so forcefully thrown into. You have two choices then as you grow into a young adult and your own individual. You can get professional help, overcome it and come out a stronger/better person on the other side of it, or you can curl up in a ball, refuse professional help, be angry with the world and ultimately, totally self-destruct. Or, be like Duncan, not only self-destructing, but becoming a cold-blooded murderer and pedofile in the process. It's appearing that you are one who has overcome this adversity, and come out of it as a stronger person, on the other side of the darkness. Congratulations. Now, as far as all that leftie mumbo jumbo garbage of yours...I got nothing for you. Not even gonna give that the time of day, it was so stinking ridiculous. I will tell you this though. You mentioned "BushCo and his lies" (paraphrasing here) in all of your babbling above. Tim, have you ever stopped long enough to really think on why the media hasn't taken this Downing Street garbage any further than they have? Why has it stayed so under wraps? This is big news! Huge stuff! Why's it so hush-hush now? Why doesn't the media have this plastered all over the place now? Huh? Wanna know why? I'll tell you why! You heard all about Bush's "lies" and Bush's "pre-meditated" plans about the "fabrications" for no more than a few days, BECAUSE it all checked out as total BULL-HOCKEY! Erroneous information. NOT true, fallacious, phoney-bologna, inncorrect, fraudulent, absolutely meaningless, shit served-on-a-cracker, kind of stuff...period. The Downing Street Memo's were false documents. Not true and original documents. Someone elses words, not Bush's, not Blairs. If all of this you babble about were true, dontcha think we would have kicked the man to the Penn. Ave. curb? There is no substance to the claim/accusation. What, have you missed all subsequent news reportings that mentioned this correction? Missed the newspapers? There weren't alot, but they were there. They don't like to blow-up their retractions so much, ya know? Wanna know what's going on? Listen to Rush for a day or two (personally, I don't like the guy, I find him a bit too obnoxious...but he's factual, none the less)...he plays the soundbites, he comments on the truths, no fudging. All facts. Ya know, you lefties are stuck in such a funk, it's not even funny.

Posted by: Gwen at July 19, 2005 04:24 PM (dWUhJ)

69 Gwen...every word of what I said was true. My point...You "righties", blame us "lefties" for every thing..Even child molesters like Duncan...My point, many if not most child molesters are conservative "righties" and they hide their shit behind a guise of patriotism christianity or what ever it is that "righties" use to make them feel right...Listen to Rush...Damn Gwen..Talk about babbling...That guy is king Babble. My blood pressure goes up just hearing his voice even before listening to the content. He calls it entertainment, which brings into question whether even he believes what he's saying.... About Downing Street. Come on....Whole thing tells you Bush was lying about WMD. He knew Iraq did'nt have them...Wilson told him Africa was'nt selling Iraq nuclear stuff. Pissed Bush off regular. Whether it was Rove or not, it sure was sombody on his staff And thats my point about conservatives/Republicans. You all always have a hidden agenda. Are we (lefties) stuck in a funk..Damn right...Untill we get rid of you all. And we will,,,Don't worry

Posted by: tim at July 19, 2005 08:13 PM (eZhHa)

70 AGAIN I AM GOING TO GET ON MY SOAP BOX....PEOPLE THIS IS NOT A LEFT OR RIGHT ISSUE...THIS IS A HUMAN ISSUE! PLEASE RESPECT THIS YOUNG GIRL WHO WAS BRUTELLY MOLESTED AND DO NOT BRING POLITICS INTO IT...FOR GOD SAKE! I REALLY DON'T THINK BUSH WAS THERE, AND I DON'T THINK THE ACLU WAS RESPONSIBLE. IF YOU HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA TAKE IT TO A POLITICAL ARENA...AND TIM I TOO WAS MOLESTED VERY MUCH THE SAME AS "SYBLE" AND YOU ARE RIGHT...LIFE IS VERY DIFFERENT FOR WE SURVIVORS...BUT WE DO SURVIVE NOW DON'T WE....AND I HAVE LIVED A VERY PRODUCTIVE LIFE...BUT AGAIN PEOPLE ...THIS IS NOT ABOUT LEFT OR RIGHT...IT IS ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING ABOUT A MONSTER AND PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN. HAVING WORKED WITH BOTH VICTIMS AND OFFENDERS I WILL TELL YOU....THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT OFFENDER AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUILTY VICTIM...I BELIEVE WITH MY WHOLE HEART WE NEED TO EXECUITE THE OFFENDER IMMEDIATELY...AND LET GOD SORT IT OUT.

Posted by: jeannie at July 19, 2005 09:20 PM (pO1tP)

71 A few comments. First off, I am a rape survivor. I was raped as a little child by a family member and then at age 9 by a stranger when my younger brother and I were abducted. Fortunately the man did not harm my brother physically and returned us to a place not too far from our home about 10 hours later. The judicial system had dealt with this man prior to him kidnapping my brother and me but released him after he was in a mental hospital for 3 months. When they arrested him for my rape and mayhem , he was again put into a mental hospital. This time for 6 months, after which he was released and he promptly kidnapped, raped, and killed a little girl. Over the years I have learned that pedofiles cannot be changed or 'cured'; chemical castration only works on any sex offender as long as he or she TAKES the medication ROUTINELY and ON SCHEDULE. The desire, no the NEED to rape a child never goes away no matter how much medication, surgery, or therapy is given. How much money should taxpayers be forced to spend to house these people who can never be released into society once again? Why should they live in better conditions than many of the people on the outside with 3 meals a day, a bed,medical care, and a roof over their heads all paid for by our tax dollars? Even if what they get isn't perfect it is better than what many on the outside have. We forget too soon what was done to the victims by these monsters - look at what Shasta will have to live with the rest of her life; her mother, both brothers and her mom's boyfriend killed by this SOB and she actually saw her brother Slade come out of the house with his hands bound,head bashed in & covered with blood, moaning and not knowing where he was or able to respond to her! She was repeatedly raped & molested for days ... a little girl by an adult man. I know what it is to experience that loss of innocense and trust in life. I know the pain and the confusion and it makes me sick inside knowing what she has ahead of her. She will have to relive the whole stinking ordeal in the court room again and face that jackass because the law demands that he be given the chance to face his accuser! BS! That's where the law need to change; he was caught with her in his custody, they have video tapes of him with her in stores, physical evidence of sexual abuse, his blog, his confession, that's enough. Leave her alone. Let him into the General Pop. at Walla Walla State Pen. and see what happens...

Posted by: nursedurkin at July 20, 2005 04:14 AM (av/Bw)

72 By the way, the family member who molested me also molested many members of my family but nothing was ever done about it because "the family will deal with it'. Yea, right. In a pig's eye. He kept it up for as long as he could get away with it, apparently. He apologized to me the week before he died when I was 52 years old and he was 72! He left a long string of victims in the family and I let him I knew it and also let him know his apology was too little, too late.... I had already talked to others in the family and if he had touched one kid that I found out about that was within our states prosecuting time limit I was going to get his butt slammed into jail! None of my cousins had allowed their kids or grandkids to be around him! I wonder why...!?!?!!! But that's the way things were often done back in those days. Makes you wonder what Wally and the Beav were hiding, doesn't it?

Posted by: nursedurkin at July 20, 2005 04:35 AM (xBy8b)

73 Timmy, Timmy, Timmy... Rush Limbaugh, "King of Babble?" But he does it all so well, and with half his brain tied behind his back, at that! Here's the deal... Like you, I can hardly stomach the guy. So we can each give that a big fat "ditto" for the team. Thing is, the guy is factual. As much as I can't stand the guy, I know he's going to put the facts out there. Hey, he does his own spoofing on Republicans now and again, surely you've heard it. The guy can't help that the lefties do more to bury and incriminate themselves than the Republican's do. He just works with what's been handed to him. The guy uses actual soundbites, and reads/quotes from legitimate documents. It's not that second hand pre-fabricated crap like the lefties use. You know the truth about Downing Street, you just won't admit otherwise. You know there is no substance to it; you know full well. You have to. All you have to do is read on the subject to see it. And, how about this challenge. Let's talk about these Republican's that hide behind these guises you speak of, my friend. I'd like to see you rattle off some specifics here. Let's talk about hidden agenda's. Let me hear of these right-wingers that are child molesters or sexual predators. My ears and eyes are open here, Tim, my friend. Start typing...I'm reading. I however, do have a few perverted "lefties" in mind. Let's talk about your boy, cock-nose Clinton for a minute. What kind of legacy did he leave? Hmmm??? How about Kennedy? Boy, he's a winner too, ain't he? Wanna talk about the sexual predators in Washington, do ya? I'm seeing far more on the left than I am on the right, my friend. Most especially your cheating boy Clinton. Look up infidelity in the dictionary. Isn't that he and his woman-eating grin you see in the definition? Tim, I'm thinking it's pretty darn crystal clear that we need to respectfully (and...HELL NO, I'm NOT conceding here!) disagree on this crap, because it's really quite evident how polar we are on the subject. (Hey, how's that for understatement of the year!) Boy, you make me soooo tired!

Posted by: Gwen at July 20, 2005 05:14 AM (dWUhJ)

74 GWEN HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THIS FAMILY AND TAKE YOUR POLITICS TO ANOTHER FORUM...IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT WITH TIM....DO IT ONE ON ONE...HAVE YOU NO CONSIDERATION.

Posted by: jeannie at July 20, 2005 08:48 AM (pO1tP)

75 Gwenny, Gwenny, Gwenny...Go back to sleep,and take Limbaugh with you. Jeanie...Hard not to be political. Consider...Hundreds of Iraqi children (and adults) suffer atrocities as bad as that child sufferd every day. And you never hear about them..Put the perpatrator responsible for that in prison too. Definitly a political statement. Gwenny...Serial killers, Rapists, child molestors who hide behind conservatism..Try Ted Bundy, Green River Killer, and Wayne Gayce (who probly qualifies as a child molestor as many of his victims were under age). These people made a conscious effort to look normal using conservatism as their vehicle.. Go back to sleep Gwenny and Limbaugh

Posted by: tim at July 21, 2005 09:46 AM (eZhHa)

76 Tim; Never heard of Gayce before today. I had to do a little online research to know who you were talking about. I'm only 35, so in the 70's when Gayce was on his raping/killing spree, I was either playing with Barbie dolls, or being the typical sister; busy trying to find a way to get my brother in trouble for something I did. LOL Okay, so I'll give you John Wayne Gayce. From what I've read, the guy played himself off as a conservative, was adored, respected, and somewhat of a social icon in his community. When in reality he certainly was a 100% certifiable nut-case, yet managed to keep covert, those dynamics of his life for several years. (Just thinking out loud here...) I'm interested now, in knowing if Ann Rule wrote a book on this guy. However, my challenge for you was to produce names of those in the big leagues. Those of higher social standing. Good luck. The quantity of names for the left will far exceed the right. Of this I am sure. Just admit it, Tim. The lefties are far more warped, far more hypocritical, and certainly far deeper in the funk, all aspects of life considered. Jeannie, in case you haven't noticed...this indeed is a political site. Had this been a memorial site for the Groene family, then that's a different story. Of course, I wouldn't go into politics if that were the case. Yes, I do have a heart, and yes I do respect the thoughts of others. I think Tim and I have agreed to disagree here. So, no worries Ms. Fife, you can hang your badge up, and pull that bullet from your pistol now.

Posted by: Gwen at July 21, 2005 03:58 PM (dWUhJ)

77 Gwen...If you treat me seriously as a liberal I will do the same to you..Not with the disrespect that people like Rush and many of the other conservatives have in this site and as you started to do earlier. That is much disrespect and is gonna cause big trouble if it keeps up ("right here in river city"((Music Man)). What about Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer..Both big conservatives. Ted was even head of a local republican presdential campaign for Nixon I think. Another one. The guy in Atlanta that killed all those young boys. And how about all the catholic priests...Catholocism is a haven for conservatism, and we all know about their fondness for young boy's. Now you will have a hard time finding these kind of people who are liberals. The ones who aren't conservatives are to disorganized to be identified with any kind of a movement. They genraly break these sociopaths into those two catagories..Organized and unorganized. Prove me wrong..Let's see your list

Posted by: Tim at July 21, 2005 08:05 PM (eZhHa)

78 WELL I SUPPOSE YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING FIT INTO A POLITICAL ARENA IF YOU SO CHOOSE...I THINK BTK FITS UNDER THE CATAGORY OF CONSERVATIVE TOO TIM...NO? REMEMBER HIM GWEN? I AGREE WE NEED TO SUFFER ALL LITTLE PEOPLE...AS FOR THE GUN GWEN..IT REMAINS LOADED AND COCKED READY TO DESTORY ANY ONE WE WOULD ATTEMPT TO HURT ANY PERSON IN MY FAMILY IN THE SAME WAY THIS MAN HAS DONE...I SAY OFF WITH THEIR HEADS IN THE TOWN SQUARE.

Posted by: jeannie at July 21, 2005 09:00 PM (pO1tP)

79 Right on Jeanie...BTK does fit intnis category.. Thanks...What about all those children (and adults) in Iraq tha have suffered just as bad as the little girl here. And what about their perpatrator. And it's not just Sadam Hussein. Let's get political. And you know this part is true.."no one talks about them". It;s like it'e OK for them to die, get maimed and or dis-membered, and probly raped by soldiersm from both sides. (An example of people on the other side getting raped and killed by American soldiers in Vietnamn is the "night Stalker" Richard Ramerez in LA. He learned his craft, killing and raping sodomozing and other unspeakable stuff from a cousin who did those kinbd of things on a regular basis in vietnam).

Posted by: tim at July 22, 2005 09:45 AM (eZhHa)

80 AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY TIM...J

Posted by: JEANNIE at July 24, 2005 11:57 AM (pO1tP)

81 ANYONE WHO ASSAULTS A CHILD NEEDS TO DIE. THEY DONT DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE. THEY ARE ALL SICK FUCKS AND NEED TO BE PUT ON THERE OWN ISLAND SOMEWHERE.

Posted by: Jean Reed at August 12, 2005 01:53 PM (EMzMs)

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July 02, 2005

Shasta Groene Found Alive

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The weblog of a killer: Joseph Duncan's personal webpage reveals sick mind and illusions of demonic possesion.

UPDATE 7/06: Groene family did not know Duncan.

Affidavit claims Shasta repeatedly molested, recounts horrible ordeal.

UPDATE 7/05: Videotape of Shasta Groene in a convenience store shortly before she was found here. Criminal information on Joseph Duncan Below.

July 01, 2005

Fox News: Justice O'Connor's Resignation Imminent

Fox News's Brian Wilson is currently on the phone live with the Fox News desk and has acknowledged that three independent sources that Justice O'Connor's resignation is going to happen. Brian Wilson speculated that there might be a letter to the White House en route.

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Mary Katharine Ham says:

Just heard through the D.C. grapevine that Sandra Day O'Connor just retired. Very reliable source. I'll try to find more.

Updates will be seen at Conservative Thinking

Updated by Howie: I got a breaking news email from ABC confirming Justice O'Connor has retired.

http://abcnews.go.com/?CMP=EMC-1396

Update by Rusty: Er, uh, um-----ok, so I can't always be right!

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1 SAWEEEEEET!!!! Now wait for the Dems to label ANY Bush nominee as "out of the mainstream".

Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:37 AM (8e/V4)

2 Developer Wants To Seize Supreme Court Justice's Home Home Would Be Replaced With 'Lost Liberty' Hotel POSTED: 10:52 am EDT June 29, 2005 WEARE, N.H. -- Following a Supreme Court ruling last week that gave local governments power to seize private property, someone has suggested taking over Justice David Souter's New Hampshire farmhouse and turning it into a hotel. "The justification for such an eminent domain action is that our hotel will better serve the public interest as it will bring in economic development and higher tax revenue to Weare," Logan Darrow Clements of California wrote in a letter faxed to town officials in Weare on Tuesday.

Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:38 AM (3D/yw)

3 Where's Bork! He's needed!

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 09:42 AM (x+5JB)

4 greg, notice on that ruling it was the Libs who voted in favor, and the conservatives who dissented.

Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:45 AM (8e/V4)

5 Carlos, At least one must have bewen a conservative, because 5 justices selected Bush as president in 2000. I really don't care who voted for it, the law sucks. Someone told me there is a plan to build a ten lane highway through Texas. The land acquisition plan is to acquire a 1 mile swath of land through the state to accomodate the highway, an oil pipeline and a utility right of way. It is likely that the judges who voted for the law had projects like this in mind. If this is true, they're going to be some pissed off Texas ranchers.

Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:55 AM (3D/yw)

6 Golldang, Rusty's gonna have to eat blackened crispy fried crow on this one.

Posted by: Editor at July 01, 2005 09:57 AM (adpJH)

7 greg, Justices Anthony Kennedy, Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer-- moderates and Libs-- were the majority. The dissent in that case was written by O'connor-- a moderate-- joined by Rehnquist, Scalia and Clarence Thomas-- conservatives.

Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:06 AM (8e/V4)

8 Come on Carlos, you think she's a liberal. That's why you're so happy about her impending resignation. Alright, I'm in Rome. I pop in to internet cafes to cool down. It's almost as hot as Texas, but AC is a rarity. I paid my respects to JPII today. I made confession at St. Peter's Basilica, attended mass and took communion. The mass was in Italian and I didn't understand much, but I caught the Spirit anyways. Then I stood outside in a line that was 1 kilometer long, so that I could see Rafael and Michelangelo's work at the Cistine Chappel. It was worth it, but it took a lot out of me. I just had a lemon granita and I'm ready to brave the heat again. I'm going to see il Coloseo and Cerco Massimo. Ci vidiamo piu tardi.

Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 10:23 AM (3D/yw)

9 greg, you're a wily coyote aren't you. O'connor was appointed by Ronal Reagan, so at best she's a moderate. "On a divided, nine-member court, O'Connor is a conservative with an asterisk: a pragmatic jurist who, when she sees fit, will vote with the four liberal justices." http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-23-oconnor-usat_x.htm

Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:27 AM (8e/V4)

10 greg, what the hell are you doing in Rome?

Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:28 AM (8e/V4)

11 I think Rusty probably was not too far off the mark. I was Surprised by O'Connor but Renquist (spelling) is probably next. It' will be down to seven very soon I suspect.

Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 10:41 AM (D3+20)

12 Greg, like five of the judges, obviously doesn't have an inkling of what the simple language of our Constitution says about eminent domain.

Posted by: Oyster at July 01, 2005 11:19 AM (fl6E1)

13 I'm glad to see the bitch go, only I was hoping one of those airplanes that keep blundering into restricted airspace would take out the whole court. And Carlos, Greg's in Rome to support the Italian fascist movement's campaign to raise money to fight the coalition.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 11:27 AM (0yYS2)

14 Greg: They have masses in English at St. Mary's Basilica. But the priest there won't listen to confessions if they're more than three hours long.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 12:08 PM (x+5JB)

15 I hear that Judge Mukasey is going to receive a lot of consideration for the nomination. He's a Reagan appointee, former prosecutor, ties to Israel type of guy, so he would seem to fit the mold.

Posted by: Juan at July 01, 2005 12:52 PM (dO3Ek)

16 Oyster:'Greg, like five of the judges, obviously doesn't have an inkling of what the simple language of our Constitution says about eminent domain.' Oyster, It's true, I don't know what the Constitution says about E D. I,m against it, isn't that good enough? Carlos, I'm on vacation in Italy for 23 days. YBP, A 3 hour limitation blows the deal. Improbulus, I know your type. You started killing cats when you were 5 and now you think nothing of killing humans. You can't go into a grocery store and walk down the cereal isle with wigging out (Serial Killer!). And by the way, the Italian Fascists are pro-war, just like you, you stinking Nazi.

Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 01:50 PM (3D/yw)

17 Juan:'ties to Israel type of guy, so he would seem to fit the mold.' LMFAO. Yup, we've turned the steering wheel over to Israel and no one cares. Patriots, my ass. Patriots of Israel.

Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 01:54 PM (3D/yw)

18 "You started killing cats when you were 5 and now you think nothing of killing humans." Actually I've always loved animals, but started dreaming of killing hippies before I was 5. At the time hippies were the only species of leftard that I had contact with, but I knew from their stink they were no good. Now I just dream of decorating the streets with leftards dangling from light poles and such. One day, one day... "And by the way, the Italian Fascists are pro-war, just like you, you stinking Nazi." Hehe, you're projecting, m'boy, after all, you're the one who hates Joooooooos so much. By the way, how does being pro-war equate with a political ideology? You seem to be in love with Islamofascism, which is nothing but the love of war, so you only seem to be against the US going to war to defend itself or others. You may as well shut up, because every time you open your mouth you expose yourself a little more for what you really are; liar, hypocrite, terrorist supporter, racist, and fascist.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 01:58 PM (0yYS2)

19 I am none of the above. Nor do I hate Jews. I don't like the relationship we have with Israel. Hai capito, cretino?

Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 02:07 PM (3D/yw)

20 Greg, you're a worse liar than you are a philosopher. Nobody here has any questions about how you feel about Jooooooooooooooos. Feel free to continue though, it's quite amusing to watch your bipolar arguments from day to day. Let's see, this is Friday, so tomorrow you have to post something from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the Communist Manifesto.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 02:28 PM (0yYS2)

21 Mukasey has very strong support in the Bush administration. Word is he will either be the nominee for the Supreme Court vacancy or will replace Gonzalez as the Attorney General if Gonzalez is the nominee.

Posted by: Antonio at July 01, 2005 03:38 PM (dO3Ek)

22 All I was saying is that he would understand the war on terror because of having israeli relatives, unlike a lot of the bleeding-heart pinkos in this country. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the national security of Israel comes before the U.S. We just need people who understand the War on Terror and the need for provisions like the Patriot Act, and I'm just saying that I think Mukasey is that type of guy for numerous reasons. Perhaps it wasn't the best way to put it and to that extent I apologize. I should have also pointed out that he put away a bunch of the 93 WTC bombers.

Posted by: Juan at July 01, 2005 03:49 PM (dO3Ek)

23 Juan:'We just need people who understand the War on Terror and the need for provisions like the Patriot Act' Israel has us wrapped around their little finger(the mean finger).

Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 07:33 AM (3D/yw)

24 Paul Joseph Watson | July 1 2005 'After the resignation today of Sandra Day O'Connor, many Washington insiders are predicting that current Attorney General Alberto Gonzales could be Bush's pick to take her place. Even if he isn't selected this time, another space will open up when the ailing Chief Justice William Rehnquist quits. The Democrats will come out in full force against Gonzales and then Bush will be able to claim that petty minded partisanship is the motive behind the dissent. This fake squabble will mask the real reasons why Gonzales should be opposed across the board. Bush will play the race card in lauding the first Hispanic on the Supreme Court and Gonzales' detractors will be labelled as racists. We don't care whether a person is Hispanic, black, white, male, female, or polka-dotted, just as long as they believe in freedom and the ideals of the Founders. On every single issue Gonzales has proven himself to be an enemy of liberty. Gonzales is anti-gun, pro-abortion and pro-torture. He came out in support of the semi-auto ban earlier this year. Gonzales cast the tie-breaking vote in the Texas Supreme Court against a parental-consent requirement before a minor could obtain an abortion in the state of Texas. Gonzales wrote the guidebook for torture, saying the Geneva Convention was "obsolete" and "quaint." He advocated indefinitely holding detainees at secret locations and subjecting them to abuse. Gonzales said that Bush was above federal ad international law. This is a man that believes in dictatorship. Gonzales is less conservative than John Forbes Kerry! Gonzales believes that the Supreme Court alone decide what government actions are constitutional. According to World Net Daily editor Joseph Farah, Gonzales once told him during a dinner, "The Supreme Court tells us what the Constitution says and means." This is a man that believes the Constitution is a living document and that nine black-robed brethren have carte blanche to interpret it any way they deem fit.'

Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 08:10 AM (3D/yw)

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