November 15, 2005

Questioning Their Patriotism: Between a Rock and...

From David Adesnik, on Oxblog "Are the Democrats Lying?":

"IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE LYING, THEN THEY REALLY ARE UNPATRIOTIC": That is the basic argument that Glenn makes here, and that Tom Maguire has aptly summed up by observing that

I believe there is a substantial difference between "Your false charges are undermining the troops" and "Your criticism is undermining our troops".

I agree with this argument in the abstract, although I don't think that it justifies what George Bush said. For Bush to be in the right, it should be transparently clear that his opponents are lying. I would argue that while the Democrats may not be telling the truth, it is not intentional. Instead, they have succumbed to confusion, short-sightedness, and unthinking resentment of the President.

Which, when you think about it, are ideal qualities to have in a political opponent, aren't they? Not just because an opponent with impaired judgment is easy to outmaneuver, but because they're a little less endearing to folks making up their minds about who ought to be governing them.

Update: David says, later:

It is wrong and offensive to argue that simply changing one's opinion is unpatriotic, regardless of the motive.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that most Democrats have come out against the invasion only because of the polls. This fact may demonstrate that the Democrats have no ideas of their own about foreign policy, but it isn't immoral.

Which raises an interesting question. Is there an essential difference between being unpatriotic and being ineptly or inadequately patriotic? Does the quality of patriotism matter, and if so how much? Implied in Glenn's criticism is the observation that the Democrats allowed proximate advantage to overrule or eclipse long term or broader advantage for the nation. While that may not be unpatriotic, it does suggest a deficient patriotism. I'd argue that quality definitely matters, and that the quality of patriotism that Michael Yon is documenting with brilliance (of non-Americans in this case), and that Ernie Pyle documented in a former age, is what's making the difference between winning and losing.

(Cross-posted by Demosophist to Demosophia)

Posted by: Demosophist at 12:19 PM | Comments (10) | Add Comment
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1 I think you are giving the Democrats too much room to wiggle out of their actions. They have left what is honest and best for the country. Anything to achieve their idea of what society should be like. Even if it destroys this nation.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2005 01:39 PM (ZaAd/)

2 Amen, brotha.

Posted by: Rusty at November 15, 2005 03:40 PM (JQjhA)

3 Hey, Rusty, what it is!

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 15, 2005 03:42 PM (rUyw4)

4 So basically, Demosophist, what is being said is that it isn't fair to pick on the intellectually challenged?

Posted by: Oyster at November 15, 2005 04:29 PM (fl6E1)

5 Oyster: It's fair, it's fair.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2005 06:31 PM (ZaAd/)

6 Bush and Co. lied about what intelligence the U.S. had on Iraq - and the Dems fell for it. Just about everybody by now has figured it out - the entire Iraqi adventure is a crock of BS, including the Republicans in the U.S. Senate, who essentially voted >against

Posted by: D. at November 15, 2005 08:45 PM (9/ram)

7 Can you read, D? Read the following post here on the Jawa and come back here again and tell me what Sen. Rockefeller told Chris Wallace. You can't be as uninformed as you seem.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 15, 2005 09:04 PM (rUyw4)

8 The only things libtards love better than hating America is telling lies about America while they hate it. All fucking liberals must fucking hang.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 15, 2005 09:16 PM (0yYS2)

9 Everyone has to admit though....Liberals are sooooo entertaining. Without their stupidity to comment on, what could these places laugh about? Besides, they make great moving targets..... Tex

Posted by: Texas Marksman at November 17, 2005 03:34 PM (dyUaJ)

10 D: How can someone as dumb as you learn to turn on a computer? Ah shit! Someone at the welfare center probably left it on. Bush and company lied. Yea sure. They acted on information supplied by government agencies and government employees. Of which 95% are liberal democrats. Dumbass.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2005 06:41 AM (ZaAd/)

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