1 Yeah, middle class white families are the cause of sooooooo much trouble in this world, especially the kids. Little bastards can't be trusted. And watch out for old ladies in warmups, they can be treacherous.

2 It sounds as if the airline designated one of you as a "selectee", based on confidential criteria (which most people can figure out for themselves). That means everyone in your group must be searched. The TSA has no discretion in this case, the selectee lists are administered by the airlines.

3 Yes, but shouldn't they have some discretion? Isn't that kind of the point?

4 See, Rusty, had you been wearing your speedo, this wouldn't have happened.

5 I would hazard a guess here, Rusty, you won the designated PC lottery ticket so the next time CAIR and its minions demand Congressional investigation of bigoted and racist profiling, it can be shown statistically that all care is taken that 1 y/o pale males are searched in proper percentage by population proportion as 18-24 y/o less-pale middle eastern males. Can't offend by jumping to conclusions, since we all know that Pissed-off Presbyterians blow themselves up with the same regularity as the Islamists.

6 And here I thought it was old white guys wearing hats a few sizes too big that were the problem (oh wait, that's when driving). BTW, any thoughts about whether the TSA position on those silly t-shirts making the rounds after NYC decided to expand 'random' searches to the subways? The ones that say 'I do not consent to be searched?' We know that the TSA doesn't have a sense of humor about gallows humor at the screening points, and that even an offhand remark could get you in trouble. Just wondering.

7 Rusty, sooner or later the politically correct in this country are going to get a lot of us killed. After everything that has happened since 9/11, we still worry more about offending someone than about protecting our people. This policy falls right into the hands of the terrorists. Frankly, I don't know what it will take for us to get serious about terrorism. The southern border is wide open, security is lax or non-existant in most areas, and there is an air of vulnerability I find very disquietening. The liberals want our soldiers to be defeated in Iraq and would be happy if another major terror attack hit the US as long as President Bush got the blame. I believe it will be up to us citizens to solve the problem.

8 Yes, I feel so much pity on your poor white middle class family. Welcome to LA bud. I'm glad to see you had a taste of the inconvenience the rest of us olive/brown skinned, proper citizens just like you and your kids, have to go through every time we visit the airport. YOU know you and your kids wouldn't have a terrorist thought in the world just like all the other "middle-eastern looking" parents just trying to get on a plane and visit their relatives do too. Perhaps if they had pulled you into a side room and interrogated you, your white middle class anger would be justified. Until then, you don't get a "get out of inconvenience card" just for having the "privilege" of being white.

9 Amen Artin And remember guys, not all Muslims are brown. If we only searched guys in turbans, we would miss the guy in the Mickey Mouse shirt who just happened to be of Georgian, Balkan, etc heritage. Granted, most of this is done in order to make sure the samplings are not racially biased, but I believe that is a good thing- as it may catch the next bomber- who has a damn good chance of being "white".

10 Four planes?? I know with a family and all you gotta economize, but seriously I won't fly anywhere anymore unless it's non-stop, it's just not worth it. I always get the racist, token, "It's an old bald white-guy frisking" too - they like to make an example of us. And even though I wear my hundreds-of-times-to-the-range boots, they don't set off the 'splodey alarms?

11 Probabilities. It's all a probabilities game. Since terrorist acts are not randomly associated with physical characteristics, neither should searches. Otherwise, we are wasting valuable resources.

12 Sorry, Artin, I can't give you a pass. Although it is possible that the next suicide bomber may be white, the likelihood is very small. I also doubt that very many brown families with small children are stopped and searched in more than a cursory manner. However, I realize that some single, young men of Arab descent are targeted for searches. That is as it should be, since that is the type of person who has been perpetuating these attacks. That is not to say that the authorities should ignore whites, or blacks for that matter, in their searches. Anyone who has been brainwashed with radical jihadism is certainly capable of carrying out one of these attacks. That is why it is so important for Muslims to report these radicals and their imans to the police.

13 Hey Artin Get the stick out of your ass and tell me what the demographics of the last 20 years of worldwide terrorism tells you...THEN tell me why young men from the middle-east should NOT be searched with any greater regularity than Scandanavian grandmas with blue hair. Life's a bitch, butch up.

14 I wonder if anyone of you know who Eric Rudolph is. Certainly you've heard of Timothy McVeigh. Both lilly white. But if we focus on them it's a little less easy for you all to continue your racist approach to anti-terrorism. By the way Rusty... how does the offense you take at being singled out fit with your report on the "lilly white" Muslim terrorist a week or two ago? I thought us liberals were being silly to think of anti-Muslim rhetoric as race based, yet this is the only possible conclusion from your vacation report... Hmmm...

15 It doesn't, and it's stupid to think otherwise. I'm not saying don't check out whitey, but do not check them out in proportion to their population as a whole. Had I been acting strangely, by all means check me out. It's randomness that is stupid.

16 Hmmmm... so quotas for strip-searches, but not for jobs or college admissions. Ok. Good to see that Affirmative Action has its place. "Had I been acting strangely..." ??? So you're an expert on how terrorists act now? Come on dude, this is about race whether you admit it or not. And Ann Coulter should be searched every time she travels. Just for being an ass.

17 "...it's a little less easy for you all to continue your racist approach to anti-terrorism." von nostrils, I think you need some sensitiviy training from whatever "higher ed" institution employs your ilk.

18 YBP, Sorry. I forgot to be sensitive to the racist contingency. (How are we losing to these guys? Really.)

19 I'm forced to take the contrarian view here, but not from any love of PC (so don't get a chubby, greg). Rusty: the fact is that the uniformed TSA folks DO NOT have discretion in this situation. Your problem is not with them. Nor should they have discretion, procedures have to be standardized as much as possible, not only for security reasons, but because everytime an airport varies from procedure they generate justified complaints from the traveling public. "How come they didn't make me take these shoes off in Denver?" "I don't know ma'am, but our procedures require that they be removed." As I stated in a comment to the previous post about airport security, racial profiling establishes a pattern that can be exploited by our enemies. No blonde women Muslims? How much is a bottle of peroxide? I understand people's frustration when they get singled out for extra screening, but, hey, EVERYBODY knows that THEY'RE not a terrorist.

20 POST SCRIPT: The reason that everyone travelling with a "selectee" gets searched? Who can tell whose carryon is whose? Also, would you bet your life that a Muslim fanatic wouldn't put C-4 in his baby's stroller?

21 If they didn't pat down a white family once in a while certain minorities who care more for the potential money they could get than this nations security would cry unfair. Only muslims were being patted down. The price we pay for equality. Ha.

22 Gee, Rusty, ya can't get a fatwa, and on top of that, your whole family gets frisked by our side? Man, you're doing something wrong.

23 Perfesser Dumbass von Retard sniffed: "I wonder if anyone of you know who Eric Rudolph is. Certainly you've heard of Timothy McVeigh. Both lilly white." Yep. Both of 'em. All TWO. And neither hijacked an airplane. Why don't we just start shaking down everyone with a John Kerry bumper sticker on their car? Since liberals love the terrorists and give them aid and comfort, then everyone who supports Kerry is a greater potential terrorist threat. Also, we should round up white kids with dreads, or goatees, or who wear baggy pants or stupid "rage again my allowance" T-shirts. Liberals piece of shit scumbags all need killed. *SPIT!*

24 "YBP, Sorry. I forgot to be sensitive to the racist contingency. (How are we losing to these guys? Really.)" von nostrils: I'm still amazed that some people link anti-Moslem terrorism to racism.

25 It's not like the anti-gay and homopophobic-to-death racist Jew-hating Islamozombie Moslems are marching around out there by the back of the K-Mart lost, is it? They do look lost though, like killing those two gay teenagers wasn't enough.

26 All I do is stare into their eyes and then they search me.

27 YBP: How do these idiots keep confusing racism with religion. Shit, I'm a racist and I know the difference. The enemy is Islam not the dumbasses who are trapped in it. Some are muslim for anti-western, anti-white reasons. Some are muslim because they know nothing better, some are muslim because the society they live in makes it hard on them if they are anything but muslim. If you are raised by muslims you will probably be a muslim. Same as if you are raised by cannibals you will probably be a cannibal. I am a racist. Why, because I object to other races blaming me for all their problems. It's not true. White people are great. Religion is one thing and race is another. Arabs and others are fine. As long as they are not muslim. The enemy is Islam. Not the racial makeup of its followers. However, if they wish to put the two together as one. Their problem not mine.

28 Klanrooster, most white people recoil in disgust at your filthy thoughts spewed forth like untreated sewage baking in the sun.

29 And, no, that bulge in my bathing suit is not a bomb. I'm just happy to see you. Thanks Rusty!

30 I believe that the TSA must administer their special attentions across an evenly distributed ethnic range, as Darleen mentions. In other words, for every non-pasty-face they check out, they have to have a pasty-face patdown. I've also observed that they pick the people least likely to resist or complain. There are also "triggers" such as e-tickets purchased within the two weeks prior to the flight that will select you for a swabbing. And there probably is a procedure, but I'd bet money the TSAs improvise with regularity. I'm short, with a fairly pasty face, and my son is a big, tall, blonde, blue-eyed Aryan dream (except for his extremely unassuming demeanor), and we've been pulled out every time we've travelled since 9/11, which is at least ten times - but only on the US portion of our trips. Europe was wild: when we hit Spain from France, it seemed like no one cared about us at all; I didn't know who to have stamp my passport, because there wasn't anyone. Coulda been carrying a bag of TNT and we wouldn't have gotten a sideways glance. PS I like the speedo idea; in fact, I wish I had the chutzpah, when next confronted with being pulled aside, to just start stripping and telling them loudly how I want to comply and can fully understand how suspicious everybody looks and you never know what's under there, then do a full description item-by-item as I do my Gypsy Rose Lee impression.

31 Downing Street Moron: Since when do you speak for white people. White people are fully able to speak for themselves. Remember, we invented the English language. Along with everything else. 99% of the whites I meet totally agree with me. It is just unpopular at this time to speak out. We as white people are persecuted if we say what we feel. The wrath of the liberal government will affect our jobs, education, freedom and everything else if we speak of how we truly feel. Where none whites feel uncomfortable is that they detect a turn about coming in the near future. One that will not give job preference to non whites in Federal, City and State jobs. Where construction contracts do not have to go to imcompetent minorities instead of the lowest bidder. Where stupid programs like affirmative action will be thrown in the garbage where they belong. Where blacks are not promoted over whites who outscored the blacks on promotion tests. Where white kids don't have to carry the burden of supporting colleges while black ones get a free ride. In other words fair play for all. Not who cries the loudest. The parasites will have to be productive not the biggest cry babies. Scares you doesn't it. Low life animal.

32 Artin: Please remember you have a choice of going back to where you came from if you are unhappy with America and its policies. Us Americans don't have that choice. We must stay and continue to support this country. I guess you left your country because it was better than America. Good reason huh!

33 Rusty, I can commiserate with you. I fly at least every other week. I get searched about every other flight. My luggage is always searched and I have lost shoes, bras, shampoo, and more during those searches. Go figure - why would some TSA person want a 52 year old chubby lady's undies? Yuch. I also discovered that if I am the first woman to go through security, I will be searched, no matter what. There are a lot more business men than business women flying on Monday mornings, and they have to get the correct number of fat white women, I guess!

34 I was recently searched at an airport. In New Orleans you are singled out if you are white or swarthy looking. Whats the big deal? I would rather have everyone searched and ride a little safer. The price we pay for allowing muslims in our country. If the majority doesn't like getting searched. Send them back to their own countries. For now its one or the other. We let middle easterners move here so we have the problems associated with them.

35 Shlomo Dror, a former El Al Airline security expert in an interview in 2002 said: "America does not have an airline security system – it has a system for annoying passengers." Dror pointed out the differences between Israeli and American security methods. The Israelis search for weapons, but they concentrate on the passengers. Every passenger is checked against a list of potential terrorists. In addition, passengers are profiled. Suspicious-looking people are selected for questioning, with a view to identifying those with false identification or questionable reasons for traveling. Bags are searched, and armed agents are on most flights. In contrast, we ignore the passengers and concentrate only on finding weapons. For all the PC whinners who say we cannot use racial profiling in our security - we are currently profiling in our securty checks. If you are a not a young Middle Eastern-appearing man you are part of the profile. When forced to use air travel, I travel light. I check everything. Once I check my bag I'm usually left with nothing on me but me but my wallet, keys, ticket, hat, and maybe a book or magazine. According to the airlines this makes me look suspicious. So I get pulled out of boarding lines to be patted down almost everytime. In the interest of fair disclosure, I'm a tall pasty white, late forties, bald, overweight American of noridic ancestry. On my last flight out of LA I was sitting in the boarding area watching the people go by. After all I listen to the airline suggestions and I got to the airport 90 minutes early, so I had some time to kill. So I sat there in the boarding area watching people. I was approached 3 times in the first hour by airport personal asking to see my boarding pass. Apparently people who actually get to the airport early also make them nervous. I watched a couple that I would guess were from India wander into the boarding area. The man was dressed similar to myself - dockers, tennis shoes and a polo shirt. The woman was wearing a long shapeless dress, a head scarf and sandels. She was cluthing a large (bigger than a brief case) purse to her chest as though it was a long lost child. They sat down as far away from me as possible. The man looked relaxed, but like me was watching the people. The woman looked terrified. She was 'twitchy'. She never sat still, her head was constantly swiveling around try to see all the way around her. She never once relaxed her two armed grip on her bag. Anytime someone would sit near them they would move. Eventually the boarding area got crowded enough that they were standing in the corner near the jet way. Once boarding started they started culling out us suspicious folks for a second security check. The only person they pulled aside that wasn't a middle aged white man, was one young teenager with a skateboard, a lot of tattoos and a big loud mouth. I'd of searched him also, just to piss him off. However everytime a security guard got near the woman with the bag, she looked like she was going to faint. She looked so scared that it started attracting other passengers attention also. Security seemed oblivious of her. While I was being 'wanded' in the secondary check I asked the security guard "Would you please check that woman's bag, she's so nervous, and the way she's clutching that bag is making me nervous." I was told that wouldn't be necessary, the bag had gone through security already. I replied "So have I and I'm being checked again. Please, check her bag." Again they refused. This got a couple other people in line with me paying attention and they also requested that her bag be searched. While we were being told "No." the couple got on the airplane. Eventually I got on board the plane and discovered that the couple in question was sitting two rows in front of me. One of the other passengers who had asked that she be checked was in the row in between us. The two of us watched this lady's husband try and put the bag under her seat. She refused. Then he tried the overhead compartment, again she refused to let go of it. Eventually a stewrdess told them she had to stow it, and after her husband translated the demand to her (she apparently didn't speak english), she relented and let him put the bag under the seat in front of her. At this point the passsenger in front of me turns to me and says, "If she reaches for that bag, while on this plane, I'm going to take her out. You watch my back." I agreed and we settled down for a very nervous flight. The woman and her husband fell asleep before the plane even took off. The flight was uneventful. I don't mind being searched at the airport. I do mind when someone behaving in such a suspicous manner is given a pass. In this day and age in America we are told to pay attention to our surroundings and what is going on around us. But why? What good does it do to be vigilent if when you report suspicious behavour you are ignored? I called the airline to complain about the whole situation and was told that the security agents were profesionals and they obviously didn't see a problem. Since the trip was eventful what was I complaining about. I asked the man " So you're saying I can't complain about security unless I get killed in a hijacking?" He hung up.

36 I am about half liberal and half conservative and id just like to say on this matter every single conservative on this forum disgusts me, your either totally racist, completely ignorant, or just blind, please assholes stay the fuck away from were i live because if i ever see someone who decides to "speak there mind" like you assholes do in public I have no problem kicking there ass. o yes and Bush is fucking up in iraq weather your liberal or not its obveous were absolutely no better than we were last year in this war on terror, we caught some of the liders guess what there positions got filled, and its moving along better than it was before because now it has constant publicity everytime they blow something up they probably geet 10 more guys who say "Hey thats not a bad idea" last thing-racism is ignorance not knowledge or wisdom and please dont mistake it, if you look through the history of all the clan leaders ever you will not find one that actually did something productive and to the dumb ass who thinks 99% of stuff was invented by the whiteman your absolutely incorrect you seem to forget asia and russia and yes even africa you self loving assholes if you wanna give me some bluushit number of how much was invented by the whiteman i can give you a bullshit number that was claimed to be invented by the whiteman, in all reality during slave times here in america black men yes black men were inventing things that made there jobs much easier for picking and sorting cotten, such as the cotten press but of course that was given to a whiteman. -long story short dont believe your god damn history books only the winner tells the story