. In that spirit, here are a few comments from reader's around the world. Especially important is the
in which these comments are made.
If you are a consumer of the more radical leftist media or much of the Arab press, you might be forgiven for believing the 'resistance' in Iraq is no different than any number of revolutionary movements--hence Michael Moore's Minutemen analogy. Further, the news you read would be full of alleged attrocities committed by U.S. soliders while such things as the intentional murder of civilians by the 'freedom fighters' would be downplayed or explained as a tiny minority of incidents.
If this was the news you were reading daily, you too would root for the Islamo-fascists in Iraq, because your perception of them would be quite different than reality. Hence, I have argued on this blog from day one that the Bush doctrine--that we will not distinguish between countries that support terrorists and the terrorists themselves--ought to be extended to media outlets as well. Any media outlet that openly supports those bent on creating a Taliban like state in Iraq are the enemy of the United States and legitimate targets in war.
Such was the case during WW II when Joseph Goebells, had he not taken his own life and the life of his wife and six children, would certainly have been tried and convicted of war crimes and crimes against humanity for his daily propaganda. It is also upon this principle which led to the conviction of Julius Streicher and for which he was hanged.
While such propaganda during times of peace may be seen as the price for an open society, the context of war changes everything. Words said in peace usually are harmless, but the same words during a shooting-war leads to death, destruction, and a continuation of hostilities.
Here is an example of a comment from a man who's IP address tracked to the Netherlands--which has a huge Muslim population and an even larger population of fascist apologists. What is so disgusting about the comment is the context in which it was given. The post described the taking of a Japanese hostage with an update that takes the reader to gruesome images of the dead man. Hans:
--a post with images of Abu Musab al Zarqawi cutting the head off a Bulgarian civilian. Even after seeing who and what the insurgents really are, Ionescu Iulian, from Romania, still thinks it is the Americans that are the bad guys:
The time has come to treat the Global War on Terror as TOTAL WAR. Such all out war would recognize enemy propaganda outlets for what they are--part of the machinery of war. If not, the jihadis will continue to raise money, recruit, and fight in Iraq.
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Dr. Rusty,
I'm working on a piece that is relevant here. I posted an excerpt over at Roger Simon's earlier.
BTW great work on the Ahmadinejad Photo Affair. Dr. Zin is running a flanking movement to your original post.
Seems as though the hostages are holding firm on their ID. They are making their ID after seeing him in news accounts after his "election" victory. They are not basing this on the AP photo. I'll post some add'l info in your thread.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED)
Link to Dr. Zin
Here's the excerpt:
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Roger,
I will share an excerpt from a piece I'm working on re President Bush's speech this week, what the American people really think, and the craziness of the LL and the MSM.
I will post it later but here are some relevant passages:
How to Lose a War
What more do the leftist and the MSM want?
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In creditable polls (RAND Corp and Pew), the American people do see a need for our continued presence in Iraq in terms of the larger GWOT. With the disinformation that the leftists and MSM are spewing, the people are left confused at times.
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The MSM is no longer a relevant provider of objective information. We, in the Blogos who know differently, are left preaching to the choir. We read posts from Zeyad and Omar and other bloggers who are the true foreign correspondents in this war who are literally risking life and limb to report from inside these repressive tyrannical regimes.
The Blogos now has the power to bring objective news/info of the day directly to the American people without filtering or blocking by the leftist aristocracy and the MSM.
Yes, there is some truth that we created the Iraqi insurgency problem in Iraq. If you subscribe to the "flypaper" theory as articulated by Grim of Grim's Hall and others, we are drawing the loyal robotically programmed Jihadists into Iraq like moths to a porch light. I would rather kill them over there where we have the resources to do so then have them on kamikaze runs in our neighborhoods.
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UPDATE -
I should add the majority of the suicidal bombers of late are actually Saudi/North African and not Iraqi.
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Also it seems the local Iraqi "insurgents" are taking exception with these foreign Jihadists killing innocent Iraqis. There have been recent reports that the Iraqis are actively engaging in firefights with the "foreigners."
I wonder if we have cut a deal? You know we have had some talks with the indigenous Iraqi insurgents. Go figure on that one.
Do you suppose the MSM will get around to reporting this significant bit of information in their laziness or failure to understand what's going on?
Apparently some folks are tracking this on Jihadist websites with the "death statements" of these bombers and have made this finding.
Gee, I would call this real investigative reporting. NAW!
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 02, 2005 05:21 PM (RxRYD)
Posted by: Russ at July 02, 2005 05:38 PM (zShs1)
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Your opinion seems, to me, to be tha sanest judgment that I have read in quite a while.
Does the American two-party system make it impossible to successfully fight a war that has not been declared by Congress?
Posted by: Toby Shandy at July 02, 2005 07:32 PM (ywZa8)
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Maybe, although this war was declared--there is no other way to read the authorization of force other than a declaration of war.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 02, 2005 08:39 PM (JQjhA)
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Toby, Congress declared war with the resolution in October of 2002. Its the Democrats who have abandoned our country in time of war.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at July 02, 2005 09:50 PM (xauGB)
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YOu're right. You were right before and you're right now.
Posted by: Jane at July 02, 2005 10:25 PM (6krEN)
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Robin Roberts,
Have you ever hunted wasp's nests?
Looks like the Iraqi government we put into power is using elecrtric drills to drill through the kneecap bones of those hung from the ceiling by handcuffs. Hot irons are dragged around the chests of prisoners to get answers.
Iraqi troops we trained are singing odes to Sadam. Those who don't sing are insurgent-informers. Never mind Democrats abandoning us. the Iraqis are.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 02, 2005 11:18 PM (ScqM8)
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DSM, put down the Kool-Aid, I think it's gone bad.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 03, 2005 12:21 AM (0yYS2)
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Dear Impy,
Your revolution is already happening, but the bad guys are doing it..
Join me if you dare on the great wasp's nest hunt:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1520419,00.html
www.globalpolicy.org/security/ issues/iraq/resist/2004/0907baath.htm
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 03, 2005 03:16 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM:
You have learned well at the madrassa kaffir. Your worthless hide shall not be wiped for you have mouthed the words the immans have taught you well. Tomorrow kaffir you shall shout at the top of your lungs about the millions of innocents killed by the imperialist Americans. Then you shall behead a three year old infidel for the glory of Allah.
Posted by: Osama at July 03, 2005 05:37 AM (DT110)
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Osama: you, strange young man, are a barbarian and in need of a rendition. I'm savin' a buckshot shower for you just to force Bush to pay me 25 mil.
Impy - you are an incorrigible banshee.
Defense Guy, you help me find him and we can split the cash bush is gonna pay.
Robin Roberts, what is it like being Klanrooster's loving spouse?
Greg - I still think Osama is in Naples.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 03, 2005 06:16 AM (ScqM8)
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Indeed, DSM, your Koolaid seems to have fermented on you. Its long past time for you to grow up.
Posted by: SPQR at July 03, 2005 10:54 AM (xauGB)
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How to Lose a War
What more do the leftist and the MSM want?
Happy 4th of July everyone. Please remember just what we are celebrating as our brave men and women in uniform are going into HarmÂ’s Way to protect what we hold dear.
Here's the complete draft essay re the LL and the MSM I just posted over at Roger SimonÂ’s:
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President Bush has not waffled on his message, “We must stay the course.” He was re-elected after much debate on this very issue by the American people.
In creditable polls (RAND Corp and Pew), the American people do see a need for our continued presence in Iraq in terms of the larger GWOT. With the disinformation that the Liberal Left (LL) and MSM are spewing, the people are left confused at times.
The LL as well as the MSM are so wracked with anger and disdain for this administration, they canÂ’t see the forest for the trees. We are not bogged down in any quagmire nor is this another Vietnam or is this an US imperialistic colonial movement; no matter how hard they may wish it so or try.
[Â…]
As Hugh Hewitt says we are in a transformational period as great or greater than Martin LutherÂ’s time and the Protestant Reformation. With the advent of the printing press and moveable type this wrested control of the news, science, and thought of the day away from the aristocracy and the Catholic Church. Once the news and information was more freely available to the people, they were free to decide what to consider creditable and what the truth was.
The Blogos now has the power to bring objective news/info of the day directly to the American people without filtering or blocking by the LL aristocracy and the MSM.
[Â…]
We need to be honest with the American people. This is a war we cannot afford to lose. We are at war with a very cunning, determined, patient, stateless and transnational enemy driven by and unified in a common bound of a cult-like religious ideology. This a male dominated theocracy of hate and evil from the 12th Century whose stated mission is to destroy all of us - Islamofascism. Please remember this radical movement declared war against the US in 1993. It was only after the 9/11 strikes did we take notice.
This ideology is not unlike the other failed ideologies that have been discarded into historyÂ’s dustbin e.g., Nazism, Communism, and Fascism. These ideologies couldnÂ’t provide for the needs and wants of the people. They failed to provide an equitable distribution of resources and wealth among the people. The key failure is they do not recognize the fundamental truth of the free will of men and women. In particular, the Achilles Heel of Islamofacisim is its failure to recognize the importance of women. Not until we crush and wipe this ideology from the face of the earth will this war be over.
[Â…]
Finally, I have yet to hear a coherent alternative strategic plan put forth by the LL and the MSM to win this war. Until they have a plan worth pursuing, the Honorable Senator Feingold, Senator Kennedy, Senator Kerry, and Senator Durbin can:
SHUT THE @#$% UP!
Their constant gum flapping is sending mix messages to the enemy. This only empowers and emboldens the enemy to kill more innocents and to kill or injure our brave men and women in uniform who go into harmÂ’s way on our behalf. These thoughtless political statements only serve to hurt the morale of our troops. Our military is defending our very way of life, culture, and freedoms we hold dear from the enemy in the GWOT.
Link Here
AND MY GOD BLESS AMERICA!
[Of your choosing or none if thatÂ’s your belief]
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 03, 2005 12:37 PM (HsiFR)
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Similar thoughts (ultimately from Drink-Soaked Trotskyite Popinjays for WAR) here: http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=505202&CategoryID=438727&startcat=1&ThreadID=2133436
Posted by: Garth at July 04, 2005 01:47 AM (g4Ska)
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Great golly, miss Molly! Propaganda is a message. With all the money that has been spent on Bush's escapade in Iraq, we could have paid off every Iraqi to the sum of $12,000 so they could turn in all the Killer-Qaedas. Instead, the Bathists are paying $400 bounty for every American soldier. We are paying 30 times more than the Bathists do in order for the Iraqis to hate us. What kind of craziness is that??
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 04, 2005 06:01 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM said:
"Impy - you are an incorrigible banshee."
Uh... thanks? Damn you? Mazel tov?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 04, 2005 09:17 AM (0yYS2)
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DSM:'Greg - I still think Osama is in Naples.'
Indeed. I met him in a pizzeria. He's a pleasant chap. He claims he had nothing to do with 9-11, declaring it to have be an 'inside job'.
Posted by: greg at July 04, 2005 11:40 AM (5PyOd)
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Just so y'all know: Somebody posted as "Osama" above...wasn't me! If the real Osama is in Naples, I hope his beard gets caught in a super-hot pizza. Hmmm. No. Better that he gets hit by a cab and knocked down a cobblestone street...
Posted by: osamabeenhiding at July 05, 2005 11:44 AM (klOV8)
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