The Islamic Thinkers Society are part of a vangaurd of fifth columnists who are enemies of the United States of America. While they may disclaim the
which Osama bin Laden uses, they do not disclaim his goals. The group wishes to install Taliban like government in all Muslim countries unified under a single Caliphate. Eventually the group wishes to see a global Caliphate replacing the nation-state system.
We have documented the anti-American and pro-jihadi activities of The Islamic Thinkers Society over the past year. For instance, in April they were seen on the streets of New York with signs saying or depicting (as described by Kristine Withers):
A video of the group shouting anti-American slogans, calling on Muslims to oppose the U.S., and desecrating the American flag can be
which describes the event. In the same video members of the Islamic Thinkers Society shout:
The group, then, is fairly open about their support of enemies of the United States during a time of war.
Now the group is claiming there is an organized smear campaign out to distort their peaceful message and give Islam a bad name.
But even as they attempt a propaganda campaign out to rehabilitate their name, they reveal the truly evil nature of their goals.
they are a peaceful organization, one cannot adhere to their belief system and come to any other conclusion then that reached by Osama bin Laden. We are at war with the comrades of The Islamic Thinkers Society. I hope their activities are being closely monitored by the FBI.
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I can't remember who coined the phrase blaming american policy with "They didn't attack Switzerland" it seems ironic then that Ramsi Yousef plotted attacks in France, Britain and Sweden and tested his bombing techniques on Haruki Ikegami on his flight to Tokyo.
If people think that they just want to "avenge" themselves against the United States they have chose a rather dangerous line of thought, they want to bring all societies under Islamic law, under some guy who tells you to murder your sister because she has shamed your family.
I believe this will change as radical terror occurs in Europe, then we'll see Gitmo put into prospective I'm sure.
Posted by: dave at June 18, 2005 02:16 PM (fsJ2z)
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Just in case people think that last comment was reaching, I was at a "rave" in Britain over 10 years ago now -- Dreamscape 11 @ the Sanctuary, where after leaving the building we found the police had enacted the "Criminal Justice Act" and people were detained until their car were searched for drugs.
Posted by: dave at June 18, 2005 02:23 PM (fsJ2z)
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Does Dick Turban belong to this group or does he just solicit their donations?
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at June 18, 2005 04:03 PM (DT110)
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Islamic Thinkers Society sounds interresting. However, these guys are thinking about jihading more than Islam as a philosophy and a religion. There's more to it than Sharia, even it is just another Jewism-ripoff like Christianity
Skip next paragraph if fanatic Christian
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Buhuu, I'm the son of Yahweh, I'm just faking the pain up here. Ouwie ouwie, I'll resurrect and you'll get superpowers if you smoke those cool plants 3 days after my death. Spread my teachings and let people know it's ok to love children. Seriously, why did the gay guy with a harem of 12 men get enough attention to start a fucked up religion? At least Mohammed, despite being bigamous and a tyrant, wasn't a first century Michael Jackson).
Atheism is what all wise people eventually end up with, but if an afterlife promise and a supernatural being to fill in the holes in your knowledge is needed, just go Evangelish Lutheran, so it doesn't effect your life in any way.
Posted by: A Finn at June 18, 2005 04:23 PM (lGolT)
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Mohammed wasn't a 1st century Michael Jackson? only if by that you mean he married a six year old girl instead of a boy?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm
Posted by: dave at June 18, 2005 04:39 PM (fsJ2z)
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Islamic Thinkers = oxymoron
Posted by: Carlos at June 18, 2005 06:31 PM (8e/V4)
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Finn, I'm with you in spirit, but you don't convince people to change by insulting them.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 18, 2005 09:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Finn,
I´m not a Christian, and so I don´t bite on this kind of baiting like I used to...but as a former Christian, I´m really curious where you get your information, both on Judaism and Christianity?
And, for that matter, about Islam, since you make a clear distinction between "jihading more than Islam as a philosophy and a religion"?
I´m not interested in getting into a heated discussion that will leave everyone pissed off and no one the wiser, so if that´s where any response will go, forget it. And please don´t take this as a bait to engage me in debate (since those don´t usually go anywhere, either, especially on comment boards). But I´m an amateur historian and an avid student of the history of Christianity, so I´d love to get a booklist from you, or something similar.
Posted by: NateWazoo at June 18, 2005 09:59 PM (8y1C9)
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Fools!
The enemy is within, burrowed deep into the filthiest oficial rat's nests squeezed tighter than a fist in the churning bowels of Washington.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at June 19, 2005 04:44 AM (ScqM8)
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Downing Street: How melodramatic. That's so cute. However, you're confused on who the enemy is. The enemy is teaching in our universities and reporting under the guise of journalism. The enemy is the conspiracy theorists and the one disgruntled parent allowed to make policy for an entire school district because their delicate sensibilities are "offended" by prayer or the pledge of allegiance. The enemy is the person who thinks we need to be notified when our kids want a piercing but not an abortion. The enemy wants my gun. The enemy thinks equality of outcome is the same as equality of opportunity. The enemy burns our flag and uses moral equivalence to justify obscenity. The enemy wants indiscriminate charity. They enemy wants to strip us of our individuality and teach our children to feel guilty if they work harder and have more as a result.
Shall I go on?
Posted by: Oyster at June 19, 2005 06:55 AM (YudAC)
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Oyster Fool!
The enemy is closer than you think. The real enemy is rampaging around inside your mind. You devour the napalm-smooth goverment pap like tadpole's tail all over your mouth. Your pearl of wisdom is tainted and its' core horribley rotten.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at June 19, 2005 07:34 AM (ScqM8)
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Downs Syndrome Meme, in an outburst that would do a Tourette's sufferer proud, blurted mindlessly:
"Fools!"
"The enemy is within, burrowed deep into the filthiest oficial rat's nests squeezed tighter than a fist in the churning bowels of Washington."
Fist? In the churning bowels? Nice imagery. I can only imagine what Freud would say.
And in another posting:
"Oyster Fool!"
"The enemy is closer than you think."
Yeah, they're wearing black suits and flying around in black helicopters™, using their Jooooooooooooooish mind control devices on people, but they won't get you, nooooooo, you're too smart for them aren't you? Better add another layer of foil though, just in case.
"The real enemy is rampaging around inside your mind."
I know what Freud would say here: "Projection".
"You devour the napalm-smooth goverment pap like tadpole's tail all over your mouth."
Your teachers at the local communist, er, I mean community college must be proud, you can parrot their lines with amazing fidelity. Never mind the fact that what you just wrote makes no sense whatsoever, though I will give you partial credit for the creativity.
"Your pearl of wisdom is tainted and its' core horribley rotten."
Oh, I see, you said "pearl of wisdom" in response to Oyster. Very clever. With a mind like yours, you shouldn't waste your time posting on a blog, you should be finding a cure for cancer. Or you could save the world through anti-capitalist pizza delivery. Also; "horribley"?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 19, 2005 07:55 AM (0yYS2)
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Freud-quote:
Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis.
NateWazoos request for booklist or something similar:
Effecting sources that I've studied with thought, judged and linked together to form bigger, neutral pictures of things:
-Quran, Bible, Torah, Hindu-texts
(Sutras rule! They have everything from making love to making war)
-Plato(n)s (books/)conversation collections
(Valtio (State?) got special attention, I don't recommend for impatient people, since Sokrates is one annoying know-it-all; Why? Why? Why? Ok, you're all wrong, this is how it should be yadayadayadya blaablaablaa)
-'Uusi Ankkuri', 'Ego', 'Filo', 'Ihmisen tiet' and 'Aikakirja'-book groups, every book of each
(material for lukio and university level studies on religion, psychology, philosophy and history)
Info sources I will never trust but often use to spice comments:
grade school religion, people, Internet, media, games
Posted by: A Finn at June 19, 2005 09:10 AM (lGolT)
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Should I come by one of these skin bags of filth Muslim Thinkers, You will know it.
You will see in the paper,
"Man beats ass of Muslim Thinker, rips off his beard"
I think every red Blooded American should donate and Passion like beating to a member of this Muslim Thinker group. I will be happy to donate to a legal fund for those who donate such a beating. Yes, Filthy Allah does condone violence against these animals.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 19, 2005 10:27 AM (xdqZV)
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For some reason Finn reminds me of Ender Wiggin's brother. I'm not trying to be offensive, Finn.
Posted by: REMF at June 19, 2005 10:28 AM (aLiCo)
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I see Finn was on this AM. Education not = wisdom, only living teaches that one. Yes there is hope for Finn although it may be a while in coming. I too was once very young, very sharp (at least I thought I was), and very unwise. Tough lessons ahead Finn, at least you are armed with knowledge. The real question is when will you come to understand that the volume of what you don't know is so much greater. When the Good Lord decides to teach you humility, I for one fear what might happen for your sake my friend. Best of luck. I know you're jerking chains but IM is right. And yes I always like people better after I've had big ol' fight with them.
Posted by: Howie at June 19, 2005 10:51 AM (D3+20)
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I'm with ya Filty. If someone gets arrested, I'll do what I can for them. It has been left up to We, the People, by our government, which has abandoned us to see to our own defense here at home. Illegal immigration, home-grown terrorists, sedition and treason on the floor of the Senate. I'll bet a dollar that when we start fighting back, the government will come down on the side of the muslims. Oh well, Jefferson did say the Tree of Liberty had to be watered from time to time.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 19, 2005 11:11 AM (0yYS2)
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Finn,
Granted, there is no established scientific basis that would support a belief in a higher power. But, nor is there scientific evidence disproving the existence of a God. Yes, evolution can be demonstrated in the laboratory using microorganisms that divide rapidly. But the hand of God could be involved in the establishment of Natural Selection. Belief is taken purely on faith. In my experience, most scientists are non-believers and those that do believe feel censured. One might think it silly of a scientist to believe, but it is comforting and thatÂ’s what matters to me. Yes, many times my faith is weak and IÂ’m filled with doubt.
IÂ’ve always thought that if I were able to prove in the laboratory that God doesnÂ’t exist, I would sacrifice the Noble Prize owed me and keep my findings a secret. Why destroy the inner most sanctity of so many billions of people? That would be one of the cruelest things that someone can do in my opinion.
Since before man gathered around the first campfire they have worshipped a God, so it is a universal phenomenon. There may be a biological basis for the predisposition to believe in God and the associated notion of an after life. I think we are hard wired at the neuronal level to believe so that we can cope with our own mortality and the mortality of our loved ones. This is discussed in Dr. Joseph Lopreato’s book entitled, ‘Human Nature and Biocultural Evolution’.
This last argument supports your view that there probably isnÂ’t a God. And yet I choose to believe even though I know that there is no rational basis to do so. IÂ’m looking ahead until the day IÂ’m on my deathbed. I hope that I can greet death with the same dignity that JPII did. I'm not preaching to you. Your stance is rational. I hope when you are on your deathbed that you will find something to comfort you as well. I don't think you will draw much comfort from rationalizing, but who knows.
Posted by: greg at June 19, 2005 11:24 AM (/+dAV)
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greg,
welcome back.
Finn,
you can't disprove God, but we disprove Liberalism every day.
Posted by: Carlos at June 19, 2005 12:00 PM (8e/V4)
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Wait a second! I'm confused how they named themselves the Islamic Thinker's Society. From everything I'm hearing, Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. What's up?
Posted by: slickdpdx at June 19, 2005 02:09 PM (MjGRu)
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"Islamic Thinkers = oxymoron"
Damn it Carlos -- you beat me to it!
If the Koran is the word of God and contains all that is needed in order to live (including how to), what is there to think about?
Posted by: Don Miguel at June 19, 2005 02:33 PM (UAn5X)
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Howie,
I believe the force that will teach me humility will be the Finnish Army. It really makes you appreciate the lazy moments in life, people usually get overefficient, quite silent and unopinionated after, and drinking becomes a way to release stress instead of fun once you've been to the only place on Earth where boys truly become men or get their spirit crushed...
No need for God when there's an obligatory army. Too bad they're making it easier now that women want to go too and city weaklings don't like doing the gayguy option, community service. Really damages the essence of being a Finn. Where can we boost our need for alcohol and silence, stubborness, evvk-foreignmatterthinking and natural sisu if the army is just some stupid summer camp?
Posted by: A Finn at June 19, 2005 02:45 PM (lGolT)
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Oh yeah, nice F1 mess in Indianapolis =) Six friggin' cars on track. Michelin probably messed up the tires deliberately so the first F1-race in Usa for decades would be a disaster. Anyway, nice mess, crowd seemed really pissed and the race was a big joke. I found it somewhat entertaining, since it had much more action than many proper F1-races.
Posted by: A Finn at June 19, 2005 02:56 PM (lGolT)
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Oops, not the first F1 in decades. Oh well. Was it the first time in decades that an Usan was driving in F1? Some first time in decades involved anyway...
Posted by: A Finn at June 19, 2005 03:00 PM (lGolT)
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Carlos said:
"...you can't disprove God..."
True, but if someone tells me they have a miniature tapdancing elephant in their pocket, I'm gonna wanna see it. Religion is a lot easier to buy into when it's left at "God loves you and wants you to be nice to people", because when you start talking about miracles and such, well, people want to see them too.
Of course, some people just need to belong to something, and don't really believe, but rather pretend to for the greater good, which is okay too, as long as nobody gets hurt. I'm an atheist as you probably know, but having been around, I like living among good old-fashioned Christian Southerners, because they make good neighbors. I know a few other atheists, but don't hang out with them. They're mostly a bunch of weirdos.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 19, 2005 06:53 PM (0yYS2)
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in previous postings you had stated that muslims are barbarians by killing individuals who had nothing to do with the events at hand (regarding the flushing of the Quran). So the question is, how many people were condemned by the world for beating up every brown person they ran into after 9/11? Christians and Jews have found their new scapegoat - Muslims. Muslims are not allowed to be outraged because of the actions of Christians and Jews but on the flip side, they are raped, abused, beaten, killed, and targetted for all sorts of hatred. The hypocracy of the christian world is amazing
Posted by: Informed at June 19, 2005 11:37 PM (R/WVT)
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Gluteus Maximus Fool!
Your head is hollow with your dried noodles rattling inside. You tried to swallow McBushie's drool and yet chop God out of the math. Maks no sense. Next thing, you threw away the habitrail and then upchuck siberian hamsters (but never ate any before).
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at June 20, 2005 06:29 AM (ScqM8)
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Funny. Downing Street Memo. You libs will try anything. Hey Libs, some guy who works at a deli next to the White House said he overheard Bush tell Blair that he made the whole WMD thing up and then scribbled it on a napkin.
WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED!! START THE HEARINGS NOW!!!
Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 20, 2005 07:48 AM (yBHNA)
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Informed is, of course, not. There is no hypocricy, and there was no massive outpouring of hate against the muslim world, or 'brown people' post 9/11. It would be interesting to see if he could provide examples to show why he thinks the way he does.
Posted by: Defense Guy at June 20, 2005 08:51 AM (jPCiN)
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>>>"So the question is, how many people were condemned by the world for beating up every brown person they ran into after 9/11? Christians and Jews have found their new scapegoat - Muslims."
Misinformed,
it was so rare, it happenned so seldomly that there was hardly anything at all to condemn. But when it did happen, nobody approved of it unless that particular muslim or brown person deserved it. If you have evidence to the contrary (you don't), then show it to me.
We christians and jews have not found our scapegoat in muslims-- but they have certainly found theirs. They blame christians and jews for their miserable selves, and the anti-West American hater Liberals apologize for them (you are a good example), and in some cases even encourage them. You people are fools.
Posted by: Carlos at June 20, 2005 09:10 AM (8e/V4)
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Downs Syndrome Meme, still off his Tourette's meds, blurted incoherently, though creatively:
"Gluteus Maximus Fool!"
It would have read better with a comma after Maximus.
"Your head is hollow with your dried noodles rattling inside."
Mmmmmm... noodles. Uh, how is it hollow with dried noodles inside? And are they plain wheat noodles? Buckwheat? Sesame flavored? Now I want some noodles. Damn you. Time to go to the Korean market down the road.
"You tried to swallow McBushie's drool and yet chop God out of the math."
Uh, okay. I really have no response to that.
"Maks no sense."
Funny you should say that...
"Next thing, you threw away the habitrail and then upchuck siberian hamsters (but never ate any before)."
Nice Dada-esque poetry.
Do you
Haiku?
I do
Haiku.
Do you,
Too?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 20, 2005 12:03 PM (0yYS2)
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He who has ironically named himself Informed, said:
"in previous postings you had stated that muslims are barbarians by killing individuals who had nothing to do with the events at hand (regarding the flushing of the Quran)."
Do you really need someone to enumerate acts of barbarity on the part of Muslims? Really?
"So the question is, how many people were condemned by the world for beating up every brown person they ran into after 9/11?"
How many got beaten up? About a dozen, maybe? I know one Sikh guy got killed, which was a tragedy, but it was one incident in the entire nation. One. This counts as the exception that proves the rule. Such cases were simply anomalies, and all guilty parted were prosecuted and punished. We do live in a society of laws, after all, unlike Muslims.
"Christians and Jews have found their new scapegoat - Muslims."
Yes, Muslims didn't bother a soul until the Joooooooooos and Christians decided to start killing themselves and blaming Muslims.
"Muslims are not allowed to be outraged because of the actions of Christians and Jews but on the flip side, they are raped, abused, beaten, killed, and targetted for all sorts of hatred."
Sure they are, sure they are.
"The hypocracy of the christian world is amazing"
The idiocy of terrorist loving liberals like you is amazing. You're Muslim aren't you? If not, you at least sympathize with the savages. We'll get you too before it's over. Yes we will.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 20, 2005 12:12 PM (0yYS2)
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Belief me these terrorist are dangerous. I was assualted, I do have the pictures that verivy what the piece said. I was beaten by a crowd while being called "christian bitch", but I was placed under arrest and faced 9 months. I pleaded out, because I did not have the funds to fight legally, so I have to do anger management classes at $60 a pop, and pay court costs. I know I might sound naive and stupid, but I lived through 9/11, have two cousins in Iraq, knew freinds in the WTC, so when I see them recruiting future terrorist in my neighborhood, I get upset. I tried telling my local politician and police precent and was ignored, or worst laughed at and called a racist. I hope people will take notice, so it will not happen to them.
Any one that would like to see pictures of this group in action, and the garbage they are peddeling please feel free to E-Mail me at kris0822@nyc.rr.com
Kristine Withers
Posted by: Kristine Withers at June 20, 2005 04:10 PM (f0/jy)
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All I know is...if I see those guys protesting again, I'm going to the nearest corner store to get some pork rinds to molest them with.
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 22, 2005 11:38 AM (CYGDF)
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 22, 2005 11:54 AM (CYGDF)
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I wound up on this page after hearing about the ITS on the news and doing a Google search. Most of the comments appear to be intellectual and reasonably well thought out.
However, there are a few things that I think about that might bring a little clarity to some.
It's arguable that the frist book of the Bible (Genesis) was written (composed orally, if you will) in approximately 1440BC by Moses and the Koran written in 750AD. If the Koran is not a "copy" of the Bible (altered to suit it's purposes of place, names and dates), why is it an almost exact copy content-wise of the Bible (i.e. Jonah, Abraham and his sons, etc.)? Perhaps Muhammed saw an opportunity to start his own religion. And did.
Also, God doesn't require you to believe in Him. If He did, He would not have given us the freedom of choice. The very definition of faith is "firm belief in something for which there is no proof". The day will come when we all will be judged based on our faith (yes, I am aware that is my opinion and not fact - but I do believe it). I would find it so depressing to go thru the day thinking that there was nothing after we died but an empty void.
And some quote Freud (Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis) and Marx (Religion is the opiate of the masses) regarding religion as if what they said were absolute truths. When faced with cancer, Freud becamce addicted to cocaine to deal with the pain. Ask any North Korean or Zimbabwean if Marx helped them any. Jesus said "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." I choose to quote that when asked about my beliefs.
The day is coming when we will have no choice but to face God and try to explain why we have either turned away from Him or accepted Him as our creator and loving Father.
Thank you for reading.
Posted by: Faithful at June 22, 2005 05:51 PM (O+1/6)
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Give AFinn a break.
Many have the same thoughts before puberty.
One look at the dog ugly president of his country would convince anyone that God doesn't exist. I mean who could rationally blame that on God.
Posted by: greyrooster at June 23, 2005 12:57 AM (CBNGy)
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I want to help you gain your goal of having Taliban type governments in your region of the world! I think it would be great that all the power be placed in the hands of a few mortal men and the rest of you do their bidding or get tortured and die. Ya, it would be a lot of fun to be one of the rulers and have a bunch of ignorant pesants do everything I tell them to do while they push around their donkey carts and allow their children to be brutalized in lands with no hope. Been to your area of the world, it was great, I could imagine what life must have been like for cave men. After all, should you really get to your goals. you would not be allowed a website or an opinion on anything, just keep gathering food for your cave life....FOOL'S!!!
Posted by: Modern Man at June 26, 2005 11:34 AM (ywZa8)
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Your only salvation is to accept the Lord Jesus Christ into your tortured, pained, and diseased souls. It's long past time to reject the sordidness and darkness of mohamed and his followers' political ideology and come into the light of the Lord Jesus.
I pray for you and all.
Posted by: Love of God at August 30, 2005 08:47 AM (NgYyR)
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