November 03, 2005

Short Memory, MSNBC?

OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scooter Libby get indicted for perjury because they didn't have any proof that Valerie Plame was "outed?" At least that was the impression that I got. Because if you could actually prove the charges you were investigating, you would have indicted for them instead of some other thing that you just happen to think you might have found.

Yet, with that in mind, MSNBC runs a story today that not only says that Scooter Libby is guilty *before trial* of things that he hasn't been charged with, but goes on to say that people have come forth to testify that it actually was Karl Rove that leaked Valerie Plame's name to the press. They don't just indicate that this might be or that "rumors have it..." They come right out and say Rove is guilty and his security clearance should be removed. And strongly indicate that the Bush presidency can go nowhere until Rove is fired. Proof, you say?

...a person identified as “Official A” held conversations with reporters about Plame’s identity as an undercover CIA operative, information that was classified. News accounts subsequently confirmed that that official was Rove.

News accounts. I wonder if those news accounts (which I haven't seen or heard) are as trustworthy as this one. I also wonder why, if this is the case and they have such rock-solid evidence of a crime, the special prosecuter hasn't handed down an indictment on Rove? After all, he had plenty of opportunity. And he never once indicated in his press conference after Libby's indictment that he was looking for or at anyone else. As a matter of fact, he seemed to believe that Libby was completly guilty of the whole matter.

And with the cries of outrage coming from MSNBC today, one has to wonder what happened to their voice on April 12, 2005 when the Washington Post reports that:

During a hearing on John R. Bolton's nomination to be ambassador to the United Nations, Bolton and members of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee referred to the analyst as "Mr. Smith." They were discussing one of the officials involved in a dispute over what Democrats said was Bolton's inappropriate treatment of an intelligence analyst who disagreed with him.

But the committee chairman, Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), and Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) mentioned a name that had not previously come up in public accounts of the intelligence flap.

"Did Otto Reich share his belief that [the person in question] should be removed from his position? The answer is yes," Kerry said, characterizing one interview. "Did John Bolton share that view?" Kerry asked. Again, he said the answer was yes.

The CIA had repeatedly asked, even in writing, that the identity of this person not be mentioned in these public hearings. That is why everyone else was referring to him as Mr. Smith. But the esteemed Senator from Massachusetts just couldn't seem to help himself as he "outed" this agent. Where was the outcry? Where were the calls for indictment? Wasn't this a crime of terrible proportions? Didn't this, in the words of special prosecuter Fitzgerald "create a terrible danger for all Americans?" And if not, then why is it so much more horrible for Libby? Of course I think we all know the answer to that question.

Update: kimsch of Musing Minds believes that the "sources" quoted above are actually Howard Dean on Hannity & Colmes. Reading through the transcript (posted at the link above), this could certainly be the truth. Some excerpts:

Alan Colmes: WhatÂ’s your reaction to the nomination of Alito?

Howard Dean: Ah, a couple of reactions. First of all I think it shows the PresidentÂ’s weakness. The extreme right of the party seems to be driving the judicial nominations process and I think thatÂ’s unfortunate. Secondly, we still wonder when the PresidentÂ’s going to ask Karl Rove to resign since heÂ’s now been identified by the special prosecutor as the person who leaked the name. So, this all comes, uh, as kind of a, at kind of a difficult time. Uh, I donÂ’t. I think the PresidentÂ’s really using this as a distraction right now to get away from his ethical troubles. (emphasis mine)

One has to wonder where Dean is getting his information. Certainly not from the special prosecuter as he hasn't said anything about Rove. Of course one also has to wonder what that has to do with Alito as well. But no one ever accused the Democrats (especially Dean) of making sense.

Alan Colmes: Is it your belief that the President chose today to make this choice as a distraction from the indictment news?

Howard Dean: Oh sure. But the indictment is not going to go away. The President promised he would fire anyone who leaked. Karl Rove has now been shown to have leaked, even though he wasnÂ’t charged with a crime. This is a big ethical problem for the President. The President gave us his word that he would fire anyone who leaked. So far he hasnÂ’t done that. WeÂ’re waiting to see if the President will keep his word.

Alan Colmes: Well, there have been three different standards. First, McClellan said anybody involved in, then he said if anybody leaked, then if anybody committed a crime. Are you calling for the resignation of Karl Rove?

Howard Dean: Absolutely. Karl Rove has no business having a security clearance having now been established as a leaker by the special prosecutor. As I say, he wasnÂ’t charged with a crime, what he did was, not, certainly unethical. And he ought not to have a security clearance and he ought not to be working and being paid for by the taxpayersÂ’ money. (emphasis mine)

Dean then switches horses in midstream and claims that instead of Rove being the leak, it's now Cheney.

Howard Dean: Well, I'm not so sure about that although if there is such a thing, it'll be in the Vice President's office. And I do think there needs to be more investigation in the Vice President's office. One of the things established by the special prosecutor in the indictment is that Vice President Cheney was the source of Scooter Libbity's, Libby's knowledge about who the CIA agent was.

Alan Colmes: Are you calling for a broader investigation of the Vice President?

Howard Dean: Oh, I think there should be. I suspect strongly that, frankly that the prosecutor's already doing that because he, himself identified the Vice President as a source of some of the information that got leaked.

And just to make sure, I checked the special prosecutor's website again today (again, thanks to Musing Minds). No mention of Rove or Cheney. But we all knew that, didn't we? Heck, a full search of Libby's Indictment press release doesn't even mention Rove or Cheney. Even the indictment itself has no mention of either of them.

Posted by: Drew at 07:37 AM | Comments (13) | Add Comment
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1 "Fitzmas Day" was supposed to feature Rove's frogmarch into custody, followed shortly by the impeachment of the President and the collapse of his administration. Since that didn't happen, the DNC and their communications operatives at NBC, CBS, ABC, et.al. have become frustrated and desperate. Hence, Harry Reid's hijacking of the Senate, and this piece of "journalism" from MSNBC.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 03, 2005 09:03 AM (RHG+K)

2 Another "fake but true" story from the mainstream media. Not a huge surprise.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 03, 2005 09:23 AM (8e/V4)

3 well perhaps the "outcry" did not happen because the CIA did not believe that the "outing" of an analyst was a grave breech of national security. Plame was a covert operative for years based overseas. Her outing did not endanger her but it did endanger any of the foreign nationals with whom she had contact. The classification level of employment relationship between an analyst working at Landley is far different than that of a case officer working overseas, even under "diplomatic" cover which of course is not THAT deep/

Posted by: john Ryan at November 03, 2005 09:36 AM (ads7K)

4 Which might be an acceptable excuse if the CIA had not sent letters to all the Senators on that comittee asking them NOT to use the agent's name during the Bolton hearings. Not only did Kerry "out" this agent, but completly ignored requests by the CIA not to do that. Seems to me that it should have been some sort of big deal or they wouldn't have made such a request.

Posted by: Drew at November 03, 2005 09:39 AM (Ml8z/)

5 Well Bluto, you know the drill. If the facts don't fit the story, run the damn thing anyway, and make up the facts as you go along.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 09:42 AM (0yYS2)

6 John Ryan: Not sure how you came to that conclusion. one could argue that the exposure of the CIA front company that was on her resume, may have endangered a lot of covert operations too, but "saying" doesn't mean it's a fact. The person that wrote the law they said was breached, said she would not be protected under it due to the fact she did not meet the criteria of the act, which I guess means even if they did 'out' her, it wasn't a crime?

Posted by: dave at November 03, 2005 09:57 AM (CcXvt)

7 The conclusion I make from all this is that we have certain agents in the CIA who have taken it upon themselves to try for a regime change in the US without the benefit of an election. Normally, the Democrats would be calling for an investigation, and the fact that they are not is further confirmation of my theory. Conservatives must be ready to act if this coup is attempted. As I have said many times in the past, the liberals have one set of rules for them, and an entirely different set for everyone else. You know how special they think they are. Hypocrisy at its very worse.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 03, 2005 10:10 AM (rUyw4)

8 Drew: OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scooter Libby get indicted for perjury because they didn't have any proof that Valerie Plame was "outed?" At least that was the impression that I got. The main reason he wasn't indicted, according to Fitz, is that they didn't have enough evidence to prove intent. The example given was of a pitched "beaning" a batter. There wasn't any question about whether the batter was hit, just about whether the pitcher intended to do so. The argument seems plausible, except that the pitch analogy doesn't quite work. If Libby knew that Plame was a covert-status agent and he shared that information with a reporter wouldn't the revelation have to have been intentional? If, however, the facts he gave fell short of a revelation and he inadvertently gave enough that the reporter could have researched the rest then it might have been inadvertent. The indictment is about what Libby knew, and when he knew it, not what he did with that knowledge. And that suggests that there's a good deal of doubt about exactly what he did to reveal Plame's identity. We are led to believe that he must have done a lot of "hinting" and just went too far. I mean, if Fitz's analogy of the "beaned" batter makes any sense at all. The CIA had repeatedly asked, even in writing, that the identity of this person not be mentioned in these public hearings. That is why everyone else was referring to him as Mr. Smith. But the esteemed Senator from Massachusetts just couldn't seem to help himself as he "outed" this agent. Where was the outcry? Indeed. The only salient issue would be whether the agent was covert, and if he was then Kerry ought to be the subject of an investigation and indictment. That fact that he was not even investigated suggests that the agent wasn't covert, but we don't know that for a fact. The CIA might have wanted to keep his identity unknown for purely personnel reasons, having nothing to do with covert operations. Good question though.

Posted by: Demosophist at November 03, 2005 10:31 AM (AY+pL)

9 Dean's comment that Cheney told Libby is moot. Cheney and Libby can discuss covert agents by name all day long between themselves. They each have the clearance to have such information and to discuss it. What did Dean think he was proving with that? I think he was just hoping that enough people wouldn't know that Cheney would not be breaking any laws by talking to Libby about a covert agent and thereby make him "appear" complicit to the public. And Colmes played right along.

Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2005 02:08 PM (fl6E1)

10 More of the usial from the NBC vulture since they have retired the peacock years ago

Posted by: sandpiper at November 03, 2005 08:07 PM (I9Upt)

11 Just keep throwing everything/anything in the desperate hope that something sticks - work it, twist it, hype it ... yeah thats the ticket ...NOT Voting is like buying a car. You go to two dealerships. First guy shows you what he has and trys to sell you on it (GOP) Second guy (DEM)spends all his (any yours) time telling you the other guy is cruel to pets, steals candy from babies, wants your aged mother to live in the streets etc. etc. etc. I came to buy a freakin' car (DEM) asshole! Is that your pitch! Is that the best you can do? Much ado about nothing is a clear sing of desperation and weakness - see it for what it is and enjoy the show.

Posted by: hondo at November 03, 2005 09:29 PM (ymtSt)

12 On a mean and petty note - Colmes' face looks like a ventriloquist's puppet. [ O_o Oh, wait a minute ..... ]

Posted by: Oyster at November 04, 2005 08:34 AM (fl6E1)

13 Colmes looks like a Muppet made from and old shoe leather.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 04:37 PM (0yYS2)

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