File under: it's not fascism if we give you the green light. Remember that Senate hearing that the partisan Left is chomping at the bits to expose McChimpy's inate fascism in? Well it looks like the Dems are going to take the opportunity to:
a) expose Bush as a fascist for wiretapping international phone calls without a warrant
b) call him the fascist that he is
c) authorize him to do the very thing he was doing that made him a fascist.
U.S. surveillance laws should be reviewed and possibly rewritten to allow the type of eavesdropping that U.S. President George W. Bush has been criticized for authorizing, lawmakers from both parties said on Sunday....
"What he's (Rove) trying to pretend is somehow Democrats don't want to eavesdrop appropriately to protect the country. That's a lie," Kerry said. "We're prepared to eavesdrop wherever and whenever necessary in order to make America safer."
'THERE IS A WAY'
But Kerry said the spying has to be legal and constitutional and if Bush needs the law to be changed, "then come to us and tell us... There is a way to protect the Constitution and not go off on your own and violate it."
Other prominent Democratic senators including Dick Durbin of Illinois, Charles Schumer of New York and Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut made similar comments about reexamining the breadth and modernity of FISA in television interviews a few days after Rove urged Republicans to campaign on national security and the war on terror.
Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, who has also questioned the legality of the eavesdropping, also urged the administration to work with Congress on modernizing the 1978 FISA law to take into account technological changes in communications.
"I know of no member of Congress, frankly, who, if the administration came and said here's why we need this capability, that they wouldn't get it. And so let's have the hearings," McCain said on Fox News Sunday.
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Like I suspected from the start - this particular NSA program is in all likehood - PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TOTAL SUCCESS IN PREVENTING FURTHER AQ TERROR ATTACKS WITHIN THE US ... PLUS THE GREAT POSSIBLITY IN FOILING SOME OF THEIR ACTIONS OVERSEAS.
Congress can get access to the success stories - its up to the DEMs if they go public - think they wanna?
Lib/Left is interested in only a legal LAW arguement and how it conceiveably affects them (they've always been paranoid about things like this anyway - and that hysteria will remain long after). To them, this is just a vehicle to GET BUSH - but the wheels are falling off and its just about out of gas.
Please Left! - bombard me with tons of references to FISA -
interesting to note your data confirms FISA adhered to vast majority of time! - these ARE THE EXCEPTIONS - please explain not to me - but the American public - why exceptions are bad and not allowed.
Posted by: hondo at January 23, 2006 06:23 PM (3aakz)
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I'm not as convinced as McCain that players like Kerry, and a few others wouldn't have mucked it up, dragged it out and argued semantics for ever just to hear their own voices drone on and flex their muscles and pretend to be important. And it's real easy to say
"why didn't you just ask?" after finding out nearly two thirds of the country is against you.
Funny how we went from - Thousands and thousands of people's rights being trampled, nay STOMPED! - to a wimpering "Why didn't you just ask?"
The melodrama shifting to condescension and back makes me seasick. We haven't even determined if any laws were broken to begin with.
Posted by: Oyster at January 23, 2006 06:25 PM (YudAC)
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Oh, boy.
'But Kerry said the spying has to be legal and constitutional and if Bush needs the law to be changed, "then come to us and tell us... There is a way to protect the Constitution and not go off on your own and violate it."'?
This guy was running for President and thinks passing a law makes something constitutional?
Ignoring, of course, whether or not what is in the law is desirable. But the ignorance of the basics regarding the relationship of law and Constitution in someone who has been a Congressman for (how many years?) is staggering.
Posted by: Phillep at January 23, 2006 06:26 PM (Xg00m)
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The Democrats put their finger up in the air, saw which way the wind was blowing, and decided to support spying on people who are talking to al-Queda. The Rovian Mind Ray has struck again. I advise investment in tin mines and tin foil manufacturing plants.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 06:55 PM (rUyw4)
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Oyster
Its called backpedaling. Overall FISA was adhered to - this aspect was the exceptions - and the exceptions appear to be successes too.
Dems can't find proof exceptions were "the rule" nor any proof of going off intended target (AQ).
Without anything substantial evidence contrary - Dems run hugh risk of EXPOSING BUSH ADMINISTRATION SUCCESS STORIES ON WAR ON TERROR.
See why the backpedaling.
Posted by: hondo at January 23, 2006 06:56 PM (3aakz)
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Now you have to ask, is the damage done to the program now it's all out in the open?
So they would have authorized it, but it's been leaked to the press and is now probably worthless?
Posted by: dave at January 23, 2006 08:11 PM (CcXvt)
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Sure makes you wonder just whose side they are on, Dave? Actually, I don't have to wonder, I know.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 08:14 PM (rUyw4)
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How it my argument mooted?
Posted by: Jeff G at January 23, 2006 08:17 PM (YAOAH)
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>>it looks like the Dems are going to take the opportunity to: authorize him to do the very thing he was doing that made him a fascist."
bwahaha! You Lefties are such dopes!!!!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 23, 2006 08:45 PM (paKD6)
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That makes two of us JJ. The likes of bin Kerry, bin Kennedy, et al, are nothing but enemies of America and should be treated as such.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 23, 2006 09:37 PM (0yYS2)
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Maxi, I honestly believe a time is coming very soon when everyone is going to have to make a stand, and tell whether they support the US or terrorists. The fence-sitters will be forced to jump on one side or the other, and it will be apparent to everyone which side you are on. I look forward to that day, although I know it will signal a difficult time for our nation. But we have made it through difficult times before, so I have no doubt we will prevail against these Islamists and their allies in the US.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 09:56 PM (rUyw4)
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dave
Did ya notice this aspect of the program began immediately after 9/11/01? Did ya notice that Risen & the NYT (who broken this "story" 'bout 2 months ago ?) sat on it for a year? (pushin' this back to say 10/04) - You do realize putting the story together also takes time - pushing it back even further. You do realize the "info" they were getting was already old.
fighting a war requires staying adept and flexible - and constanting changing and adapting to the circumstances at hand. I firmly suspect what is "available" now to know is "looking" for a way to get known.
Posted by: hondo at January 23, 2006 10:17 PM (3aakz)
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What kills me too is that when the NYT broke the story, Nancy Pelosi instantly released a letter she wrote to Bush in '01 (or was it early '02?) expressing her "concerns" - a letter she wrote AFTER she gave it a thumbs up. And BEFORE she signed off on it numerous times more as each review was done. These guys are committing a slow and methodical political suicide.
Posted by: Oyster at January 24, 2006 05:25 AM (YudAC)
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"These guys are committing a slow and methodical political suicide."
You're right Oyster, but I would much prefer the real thing. Of course then we'd have to forego the pleasure of possibly seeing them hang for treason one day.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 24, 2006 09:09 AM (0yYS2)
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