I've said a lot of idiotic things in my life, but at least I usually have the class to apologize. As I've written an umpteen bajillion times, to make comparisons between [insert perceived problem here] and Communist and/or Nazi attrocities is immoral. First Dick Durbin makes this idiotic comparison (hat tip to dozens of readers and other bloggers, but I grabbed the quote from
Right.
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The only thing more morally inept then comparing what is happening at Guantanamo to the tens of millions of people killed in the gulags, is to not back down once you've been called on it.
Had chief Dick of the U.S. Senate bothered to read the Geneva Conventions he would learn that enemy combatents caught without a uniform are not subject to the Conventions safeguards. This is why a major subplot in movies such as The Great Escape was that the escapee had to wear his uniform under his civilian clothes for fear of being shot as a spy. Get it? No uniform no Geneva Convention protection. As such, any terrorists caught are subject to summary execution. Anything short of summary execution is us simply being nice for its own sake!
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I haven't called a single individual this in the last 3 years 9 months, but I am going to, right now:
Dick Durbin is a traitor.
Posted by: Editor at June 16, 2005 11:03 AM (adpJH)
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Rusty: I posted this elsewhere but maybe it belongs here:
The Straight Scoop from Charlie Daniels
I've just returned from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba Naval Air Station base where we did three shows for the troops and toured several locations around the post visiting with some of the finest military personnel on planet earth. The kids seemed to really enjoy the shows and especially liked "This Ain't No Rag, It's A Flag" and "In America". We had a great time with them.
We saw Camp X-Ray, where the Taliban detainees are being held only from a distance, but I picked up a lot of what's going on there from talking with a lot of different people.
The truth of the matter is that this operation is under a microscope. The Red Cross has an on site presence there and watches everything that goes on very closely. The media is not telling you the whole truth about what's going on over there. The truth is that these scum bags are not only being treated humanely, but they are probably better off healthwise and medically than they've ever been in their lives. They are fed well, able to take showers and receive state of the art medical care. And have their own Moslem chaplain. I saw several of them in a field hospital ward where they were being treated in a state of the art medical facility.
Now let's talk about the way they treat our people. First of all, they have to be watched constantly. These people are committed and wanton murderers who are willing to die just to kill someone else. One of the doctors told me that when they had Taliban in the hospital the staff had to really be careful with needles, pens and anything else which could possibly be used as a weapon. They also throw their excrement and urine on the troops who are guarding them. And our guys and gals have shown great restraint in not retaliating. We are spending over a million dollars a day maintaining and guarding these nasty killers and anyone who wants to see them brought to the U.S.A. for trial is either out of their heads or a lawyer looking for money and notoriety. Or both.
I wish that the media and the Red Cross and all the rest of the people who are so worried about these criminals would realize that this is not a troop of errant Boy Scouts. These are killers of the worst kind. They don't need protection from us, we need protection from them. If you don't get anything else out of this soapbox, please try to realize that when you see news coverage much of the time you're not getting the whole story, but an account filtered through a liberal mindset with an agenda.
We have two fights on our hands, the war against terror and the one against the loudmouthed lawyers and left wing media who would sap the strength from the American public by making us believe that we're losing the war or doing something wrong in fighting it. Remember these are the same people who told us that Saddam Hussein's Republican guard was going to be an all but invincible enemy and that our smart bombs and other weapons were not really as good as the military said that they were.
They also took up for Bill Clinton while he was cavorting around the Oval office with Monica Lewinsky while the terrorists were gaining strength and bombing our Embassies and dragging the bodies of dead American heroes around the dusty streets of Somalia. It's a shame that we can't have an unbiased media who would just report the truth and let us make up our own minds.
Here I must commend Fox News for presenting both sides much better than the other networks. They are leaving the other cable networks in the dust. People like being told the truth.
Our military not only needs but deserves our support. Let's give it to them.
The next time you read a media account about the bad treatment of the Taliban in Cuba, remember what I told you. Been there done that.
Footnote: I got an e-mail from a rather irate first cousin of mine the other day who has a daughter who's a lawyer and she seemed to think that I was painting all lawyers with the same brush. Please understand that I'm not doing that at all. That would be like saying that all musicians were drug addicts. There are a lot of good and honest attorneys out there. I happen to have one of them. But it seems that they never get any airtime. It's always the radicals who get their opinions heard, who fight the idea of the military tribunals and cite The Constitution and the integrity of America as their source of jus tifying their opinions. Well, first of all The Constitution says "We the people of the United States", it doesn't mention any other country.
And secondly as far as integrity is concerned, I don't think some of these folks would know integrity if it bit them in the posterior.
What do you think? God Bless America.
Charlie Daniels
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 16, 2005 11:10 AM (x+5JB)
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Yep, I polled Mr. Durbin, my senator, the other day to see what he might think about iraq. No response so far.... So far I have not voted for Mr Durbin and it appears that will also be the case next go around. Sorry DICK (oops caps lock stuck again). You might think he would at least send a form letter or reply to a constituant. I was really nice about it.
Posted by: Howie at June 16, 2005 11:17 AM (D3+20)
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THE Charlie Daniels? I love you work dude. Great post, and thanks for supporting the troops!
Posted by: Carlos at June 16, 2005 11:29 AM (8e/V4)
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"No uniform no Geneva Convention protection. As such, any terrorists caught are subject to summary execution. Anything short of summary execution is us simply being nice for its own sake!"
I've made that point several times myself, but no one listens to me.
Technically, I think it would require a Summary Court Martial (a panel of three officers) to declare guilt before an execution could legally be carried out.
Posted by: Russ at June 16, 2005 11:38 AM (zShs1)
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Since we are now officially Nazis, I say we Gas Dick Durbin for Treason.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 16, 2005 11:54 AM (yBHNA)
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Russ, I think it is supposed to take at least one judicial authority, but don't hold me to that.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 16, 2005 12:10 PM (JQjhA)
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Take some of these moonbats back in time 62 years. They would be raising hell about the treatment of SS prisoners in Arizona. Durbin would be up in arms about some GIs pissing on a copy of Mein Kempf. Big Guy blames Roosevelt and the Jooooos for Pearl Harbor etc.
Man, we actually have in custody members of an organization that launched an attack on the US. They destroyed the trade centers, killed thousands of Americans. These combatants should be released when the conflict is over. If it takes 10 years so be it.
This is crazy, Bush and Israel are blamed for 9/11 by screaming moonbats and a US Senator takes up the cause of members of the actual group that carried it out.
Unbelievable,
IÂ’m going back to work
Posted by: Brad at June 16, 2005 12:14 PM (3OPZt)
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Go back in time with this batch of loonie libs and they would have complained that our troopers did not treat Mein Kampf with respect.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 16, 2005 12:45 PM (yBHNA)
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Did your brother chain a detainee to his floor in his own excrement?
I assume the answer is no. Durbin said he would not believe it of a U.S. soldier if he didn't read it in an FBI email, and I agree with him, so I assume that he has not done any of those things, that he is risking his life for me, and deserves my thanks.
If your brother did not do those things, Dick Durbin did not say a WORD about him in that speech, let alone compare him to Adoplph Eichmann.
On the other hand, he has cosponsored a number of bills to improve his health care, combat pay, survivor benefits should he fall in the line of duty, and bankruptcy protection. Most of them haven't succeeded unfortunately; rest assured that he'll keep trying.
Posted by: Katherine at June 16, 2005 01:11 PM (v7PPL)
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I think the citizens of Durbin's disctrict need to take action to get rid of this treasonous scumbag, in whatever way they have to. It's not their right, it's their duty as citizens.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 16, 2005 01:25 PM (0yYS2)
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Mr. Durbin had better throw me a bunch of freaking candy the next parade. And it had better be chocolate!!!! (this is an attempt to make a joke it is only a joke, I love parades, and an attempt to get Dems to throw me free chocolate).
Improbulus: I hereby vow to cast my vote against Mr Durbin, even chocolate shall not sway me.
Posted by: hOWIE at June 16, 2005 01:30 PM (D3+20)
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One terrorist was cold. One terrorist was hot. One terrorist was made to listen to loud rap music. Oh God, the horror of it all! We must all run to the UN, bow down, and beg the world for such actions.
Let's compare Guantanamo this to the historical examples he used:
- the Nazis exterminated several millions of people, some in the most horrific ways humanly possible
- approximately 20 million people died mercilessly in the Soviet gulag system
- Pol Pot, in Cambodia and the killing fields, butchered an estimated 2 million people
Time and time again we have heard Democrats complain more about the actions of the United States and its servicemen than they did about Saddam. Can someone guess what that says about the Democrats?
Durbin, you are a pig.
Posted by: shamalama at June 16, 2005 01:49 PM (TfBxJ)
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I just posted this as an update to my own Durbin post:
Tell Senator Durbin How You Feel About His Remarks
This link:
http://durbin.senate.gov/index.cfm, will take you to Senator Durbin's webpage. On the left you'll see a button for "Contact Center". The contact form asks for your name, address, phone and email. Provide it, and, without profanity or threats, explain to Senator Durbin that he has given aid and comfort to our enemies and that his best option now is to resign his seat in the Senate. As a Senator, Durbin represents the United States in the forum of world opinion, not just Illinois.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at June 16, 2005 02:09 PM (RHG+K)
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"The Democratic initiative is an effort to educate youth with highly publicized tours which focus on history" a party spokesman said.
Al-Jazzeera calls it; "A heady step toward understanding history!"
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Link:
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Posted by: Terminal Strategy at June 16, 2005 02:11 PM (VGD8k)
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Rusty,
Whoops. I guess I've been a civilian too long. I got my facts all wrong. There are three levels of courts-martial defined in the UCMJ, and I mixed up the names, the compositions AND the sentencing authorities of those courts. See:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/l/aacmartial1.htm
Given the lawyering-up prevalent these days, maybe a "take no prisoners" policy would be the way to go... not that I'm suggesting that prisoners be slain, but rather that they not be given the chance to surrender in the first place, if circumstances permit. No more urging people to give themselves up; just use a JDAM and be done with them.
Yes, I'm bloodthirsty. The pictures on the wall by my desk might contribute to that:
http://asmallvictory.net/archives/forgotten.html
Posted by: Russ at June 16, 2005 02:23 PM (zShs1)
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Note to Rusty:
Jihadis certainly don't believe what they believe because Dick Durbin told them.
More to the point, you might ask yourself why they believe we're so bad. We might have good reasons, but we've killed well over 100,000 Iraqis in the last 15 years. At some level, this isn't political, it is personal. That is why is was incredibly stupid to imagine that we'd be welcomed. You want to make friends, don't start by killing their relatives.
Posted by: SLE at June 16, 2005 03:19 PM (hsrIx)
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How many heads did the marines saw off in iraq? None. How many times did our forces give prisoners Acid baths, trip to the chipper, kicked off tall buildings, an ass raping, finger chopped, nose removal, ear removal, eye removal, limb removal..... None.
All you degenerate liberals who blast the US for turning the AC up and blasting some MC Hammer at 3am, drop fucking dead.
Posted by: filthy allah at June 16, 2005 03:38 PM (yBHNA)
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The Blame the USA crowd is strong on this site.
All the Weeeeeed smokin, bean pie eatin, live over their parents garage, hemp lovin, hacky sak playin, pfish followin liberal hippy scumbags can suck Filthy's o-ring. YOu are not worth arguing with.
Posted by: Harold T. Fancypants at June 16, 2005 03:42 PM (yBHNA)
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Russ,
I do believe you are wrong. A uniform does is not necessary in order for combatants to receive GC (Geneva Convention) status. Also, since we signed the GC, we are obligated to follow it even if the country we are at war with (declared or otherwise) is not. Article 3 section 1 pretty much states that anyone who falls into our hands deserve humane and just treatment. Now this does not mean we can
not apply just punishment. It just mean we should do it fairly. If we are able to capture a terrorist, and give him a fair trial, and a jury finds him guilty, and awards a death penalty, cool, Kill the sob. But we should not have summary executions.
Posted by: Butch at June 16, 2005 04:44 PM (Gqhi9)
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If "people" like Dick Durbin, Mikey Moore and John Kerry where actually around and walking during WWII and were talking out their asses like they do now, they would have been locked up as traitors and probally shot my a firing squad or perhaps hung on the gallows...this is absolutely disgusting what this Dick Durbin is saying....un-frickin-believable....i pray the time will come , before i die and before my son is grown enough to go out into the world on his own, that people like Dicky boy will have been eradicated from the face of the earth by one means or another...yes, thats a harsh thing to say, but its even worse what people like him and kerry and Moore say EVERY SINGLE day about the US, its citizens and its soldiers....i hope that President George Bush gets up his nerves and slaps Dick right in the mouth for saying such flat out LIES....punish this man and his lowly, scum wallowing, braindead ilk.....I know its wrong to wish bad stuff on others but God forgive me, there are times when i dont see how man kind will survive with the likes of such spinless people like Dick and the only way we will is to eliminate him and his kind before they eliminate us....im going to go outside now, i think, and just scream at the heavens, im that friggin angry and disgusted at it all
Posted by: THANOS35 at June 16, 2005 04:54 PM (kDAye)
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Criminy! Is this guy serious? To say that an air conditioner turned to a low temperature or turned off is abuse is absolutely ludicrous! I deal with those exact scenarios on a daily basis at work because our darn ventilation system doesn't work worth diddly squat. It's very cold in the winter (some days, the air in our building is down to about 48F because the A/C decides to kick in) and feels like a sauna in the summer when the heater decides it's time to turn on. Moreover, I grew up in Central California where the summers are incredibly hot (many days above 100 degrees) and the winters can get quite cold (crystal clear days where it is below freezing). We did not have air conditioners in my school, only swamp colors that really do nothing to make the classrooms cool. So as a child, I put up with temperature "extremes" in school, and as an adult, I put up with temperature "extremes" at work. Does this mean I can call my old school teachers, old school administrators and current supervisor and coworkers Nazis for mistreating me?
Durbin needs a lobotomy ... stat ... after which he should be immediately removed from office and replaced with an organism that has more brainpower than he and the ability to think logically and rationally -- an amoeba would be a better Senator than he.
Posted by: DoggyDiaries at June 16, 2005 05:05 PM (3CpJA)
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Butch,
Humane and just treatment, indeed. The "just" part of that means we can and *should* treat criminals as criminals... and if the "illegal" in "illegal combatant" means anything, it means that they are war criminals.
Guess what's included in the range of punishments for war crimes? Hermann Goering wasn't given a sentence of 20-to-life, y'know.
What makes a legal combatant? The rules I see most often (from Article 4) are
a) being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates,
b) having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance,
c) carrying arms openly, and
d) conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
That's an "AND" proposition, not an "OR." All four criteria have to be met. AFAIK, only a) is routinely the case with the current enemy.
Now, I'm not saying that illegals should be executed at the point of capture. I *am* saying that if captured, there ought not to be days, weeks and months between capture and execution. Prisoners, both legal and illegal combatants, are as a matter of course secured and moved to a central location of some sort while in the field, before being sent off a longer distance, as is the case now, to a prison camp of one sort or another.
This is going to sound harsh to a lot of folks, but I'm inclined to think that a standing General Court ought to exist at the collection point, that illegals brought in for processing should be liable to trial on the spot, with the troops who did the capturing present as witnesses at the trials.
Mind you, I'm not terribly thrilled by the idea, but if the laws of war are to mean anything, then the first thing that has to be done is to punish those who break those laws. That doesn't mean executing everyone - but it sure as hell means that illegal combatants should know that they are subject to that punishment if captured.
As Bill Whittle noted in "Sanctuary,"
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000125.html (the first three sections), those who break the rules endanger not only our own soldiers, but the truly innocent civilians.
OK, I've gone on too long.
Posted by: Russ at June 16, 2005 05:59 PM (zShs1)
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43 years ago I was the president of my college YD. Every member of my clan had been a Democrat since 1820. The reason I have not been a Democrat for 28 years is well illustrated by Prick Durbin. My old party was taken over by America haters 37 years ago - it took me a few years to admit the truth of this statement. Durbin, Pelosi, Dean, Reid, all hate freedom and by extension America. These are the "progressive" leaders of the party.
Zell was right and still is right!
A sad former Democrat.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at June 16, 2005 08:22 PM (5XW4C)
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Just so you know, it's MATT over a Froggy Ruminations.
Posted by: Froggy at June 17, 2005 01:42 AM (t5J2j)
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I read Durbin's comments and did not see any reference to your brother. I believe his characterization of what the FBI agent wrote was fair and accurate. Americans who aren't disturbed by what is being done in our name are in deep denial and are themselves the new moral relativists.
Posted by: Mickey Finn at June 17, 2005 07:50 AM (5/uly)
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Russ,
You are correct. The Humane and Just part means exactly as you stated. It means that illegal combatants should receive close to the same treatment as that of our criminals back home, including capital punishment. As I stated in my previous post, if it is decided a “POW” should be given the death penalty, so be it.
I believe the rule that covers most of the “combatants” in Iraq today falls under Article 4 section 6
Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.
The only thing I see wrong with this is that no guerilla fighter would meet this as they do not carry arms openly. This would exclude the resistance fighters of WWII, which to me should be consider POWÂ’s.
As for your idea about a General Court at the collection point, that is just a whole mess of scandals begging to be unleashed. For one, about the only people there would be our troops and the prisoners. With that being said, who will there be to provide a defense for the prisoners. Not only that, but just imagine that after a gun fight, a very likable Sgt is killed. What are the chances of his platoon telling a small lie in saying that the capture
prisoner was a real terrorist? If you look at the Texas panhandle, there was about 40 people arrested and convicted due to one corrupt cop who wanted to make a name for himself. All the cocaine that he found on these people turned out to be ground up pool chalk. If this could happen with a cop, why not soldiers who just had friends killed.
Also, having the trial so quick is far from what we have here. I received a speeding ticket in Feb of this month. I am not due into court until Aug 1. Most court dates here are at least 3 months if not more. This does give time for both sides to prepare their case.
If we had trials on the spot, the prep time would not exist which means it will not be a just trial.
But one other thing, I do not mind if we use the contained prisoners as labor. If we are feeding, doctoring, and housing them, then they can work for their room and board.
Posted by: Butch at June 17, 2005 10:22 AM (Gqhi9)
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Why didnÂ’t this former Altar Boy compare Gitmo to the worst torture chambers of all time maintained by DurbinÂ’s and HitlerÂ’s religion?
Posted by: Klaus at June 18, 2005 08:37 AM (jzQk2)
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