Chicago Style
I looked over the account of the suspected twentieth hijackerÂ’s (wait? wasnÂ’t that Moussaoui? Or is he now the 21st hijacker?) interrogation at Guantanamo. Someone leaked a document to Time, which ran to publish its breathless handwringing gotcha scoop. (The whole story is only available to Time subscribers; but hereÂ’s a
press release; here are
excerpts from the log; and hereÂ’s Brother LileksÂ’
incomparable japery.) I canÂ’t compete with Lileks on this one, but let me throw a thought at you:
Time got played. If this thing wasnÂ’t leaked by Karl Rove himself, it shoulda been.
YÂ’all remember that movie, the Untouchables? Elliot Ness (Kevin Costner) and Malone (Sean Connery), couple other guys go after the oily, brutal Al Capone, played by Robert DeNiro. And the Untouchables quickly realize that the regular methods of police work just donÂ’t apply to this war. When they go on a raid of a liquor warehouse, Capone is tipped off and clears his booze out. And he tips off the media so when Ness opens what he thinks is a crate of liquor bottles, and he pulls out a parasol, a cameraman is there to record his mistake. A picture of Ness looking stupid is on the front page the next day.
It’s funny, when you think about it, how the press were portrayed in that film: they were staunchly anti-crime and kept hassling the cops to end this horrble crime wave–while at the same time they never missed a chance to make the cops look stupid and Capone look ten thousand feet tall and unbeatable. Though they would deny it, they were complicit in Capone’s power. They fawningly took down every single word he said at press conferences, printed his lies, and laughed at his jokes. It was easy to do that. Capone would kill you, the cops wouldn’t. It was easy for the press to swim with that current. Swim against it, prick the ego, tarnish the myth, look too deeply into the abyss, and you would sleep with the fishes.
Sound familiar?
Anyway, Ness is dejected about being set up and at some point early on in the movie, Malone, the gruff Irish beat cop, gives him one of the greatest movie speeches ever:
If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way because theyÂ’re not gonna give up the fight until one of you is deadÂ…Do you want to know how to get Capone? YouÂ’ve got to do it the Chicago Way. He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one oÂ’ yours to the hospital, you send one oÂ’ his to the morgue. ThatÂ’s the Chicago way. And thatÂ’s how you get Capone.
The first step in their Chicago-way pursuit of Capone is an interception of a liquor shipment at the Canadian border. Ness shoots a bootlegger outside a small cabin while the other Untouchables, with the help of the Canadian mounties, win a huge firefight nearby. One of the bootleggers is captured alive and brought to the cabin, where he refuses to translate the ledger that conceals Capone’s accounts. Malone grows frustrated with the interrogation and walks outside, picks up the dead bootlegger and slams him against the window of the cabin. He puts his pistol in the dead body’s mouth and yells, “I’ll give you to the count of three to tell me what I want to know!”
Of course the dead bootlegger, he say nothin’, and Malone blows the dead body’s head off, spraying the horrified captive inside with gore. He falls all over himself trying to talk. Malone comes in and says “And don’t let him clean himself until he tells you everything you want to know.”
At this point the prim captain of the Canadian Mounties puffs up and tells Malone indignantly, “I do not approve of your methods!”
Elliot Ness replies, “You’re not from Chicago.”
Now then. Check out the Time piece, where they have an actual log of what we do in Gitmo. Not what we tell the press, but the notes the US government keeps for its own use. The Nazis kept notes, you know, and it hung a bunch of them at Nuremberg. Ours exonerate us.
An interrogator sits on this guys head and reads him the news of the death of Al Qaeda figures. They call him worse than a dog, since dogs at least protect the innocent instead of killing them. They wake him up with pop music and they give him dancing lessons. They hang pictures of nekkid women on his clothes. They monitor his health and try to keep him hydrated despite his refusal to drink enough water. Blackjacks and rubber hoses? No, but they touched an inflated latex glove to his face.
This is, remember, the twentieth hijacker.
The man is being humiliated, not tortured. IÂ’ve had worse in high school. IÂ’ve had worse at church camp.
The tone of the memo is of professionals doing their best to get information from this guy without hurting him. They are exercising enormous restraint and care for his well-being. They even note how often he goes to the bathroom. I guaran-damn-tee you that better men who have done far less are being treated far worse right now, in Lompoc or San Quentin or Soledad prisons, right under the nose of the press and in the custody of the State of California. Bill Lockyer admitted as much in 2001.
This is the twentieth hijacker, and there are no rapes, no whips, no severed tongues, no battery cables, no kicks to the head. There are MRE Boxes with smiley faces placed on his head. And everyoneÂ’s going to realize this. Everyone sees that this is barely even a Chicago Rules interrogation.
Most people realize that the War on Terror must be fought the Chicago Way.
Most people, that is, except the press. TheyÂ’re not from Chicago. After being tricked into publishing this exoneration of Guantanamo Bay, however, they are holding a parasol.
UPDATE: Here’s another comparison between the Terror War and the hunt for Capone–this time looking at the multi-agency task forces and prosecution strategy.
UPDATE II: Now I remember where IÂ’ve heard about these tactics before.
UPDATE III: Geraghty at TKS agrees: this story is now a gift to the GOP.
(Cross posted from Patterico's Pontifications where I'm still posting till Thursday.)
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Hmm, where's that TIME exclusive on what when on in Saddam's prisons? I guess I won't hold my breath waiting for it.
Posted by: Kevin Murphy at June 14, 2005 12:23 PM (ZO0u/)
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This is sort of off topic, but I just started reading The Seduction of Unreason, by Richard Wolin, (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/002-5000150-7911216),and I have to say that of everything I've read since 9/11, or before, for that matter, he best explains the mindeset of the modern leftist movement. I could review for days over just the first chapter, but I will summarize the whole book in one sentence: The goal of the modern left is nothing less than the destruction of Western civilization and the installation of fascist regimes. I have suspected, known really, that this was the case for a long time now, but I have never seen it expressed so articulately. He demonstrates clearly how and why the left so unconditionally supports totalitarian regimes around the globe. It's not light reading, so it's not for everyone, but I wish everyone who believes in not just Western civilization, but civilzation in general, would read it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 14, 2005 12:29 PM (0yYS2)
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Thanks for posting this See Dub.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 14, 2005 12:48 PM (JQjhA)
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The comparison of the media and the parasol, reminds me of a routine by the late, great Bill Hicks talking about the 1st gulf War
Here is the PG-13 version:
"Once again, watching the news is what made all of the anxiety possible, because at no point was Iraq a threat, by any stretch of the imagination, or could they be. But you would not have got that impression from watching the news would you? no - remember when it first started, they kept talking about the "Elite republican Guards" in hushed tones, like these were the bogeymen or something... "Yeah, we're doing well now, but we have yet to face, THE ELITE REPUBLICAN GUARDS!" like these people were ten feet tall, desert warriors, never lost a battle -- we shit bullets, Yeah well after two months of continual carpet bombing, and not one reaction at all - they simply became the republican guards, not nearly as elite as we may have lead you to believe. and after one more month of bombing and no reaction from them, they came from the Elite republic Guard, to the Republic Guard, to the republicans made this shit up about there being Guards out there!"
Posted by: dave at June 14, 2005 01:30 PM (fsJ2z)
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The "Chicago Style" analogy was spot on.
And Lileks is so awesome.
Posted by: Oyster at June 14, 2005 01:42 PM (fl6E1)
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Quothe dave:
"...at no point was Iraq a threat, by any stretch of the imagination, or could they be."
Hmmm, okay, let's recount events and factor in prevailing mindsets as the time. Iraq, which was ruled with an iron fist by a totalitarian, tyrannical dictator, who had just finished off ten years of brutal war, using lots of chemical weapons, invaded Kuwait, and if left unopposed, might have rolled into Saudi Arabia, or maybe not.
Saddam was, up to this point, our ally, though merely by virtue of being the enemy of our enemy, Iran. Regardless of our relationship with him, it was decided in Washington that such possibilities were far too risky, especially with Prince Bandar, the Saudi Ambassador, standing in the oval office calling in favors, and every politican and bureaucrat in Washington owes Bandar a favor.
So, it was decided. Saddam was a threat to not only Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, but to stability in the Middle East, and more importantly, oil prices. Every naive idiot who has ever uttered "no war for oil" should stop and think; not just the US economy, but the whole world's economy, is directly linked to the price of oil. It is a delicate balance, and if one person, say, a tyrannical madman, were allowed to control the oil fields of Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, he could choose to flood the world's markets with cheap oil, or embargo everyone he didn't like. Either way, there would be massive economic upheaval. National economies would collapse. Wars would open on every border. There would be millions of refugees. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, would die.
You see, dave, we in America do not live in a vacuum. Just because a country is on the other side of the globe doesn't mean that what happens there will only have local effects, especially when such a valuable commodity as oil is involved. I know liberals think oil is evil, war is wrong, etc. ad nauseum. I've heard all the childishly simplistic arguments and none of them hold water. You are still safe and well-fed because small wars are fought to prevent larger wars. You are still safe and well-fed because those whom liberals hate and despise protect them.
Sometimes I wish that the whole world could be made into what the liberals want. They would beg to have things back the way they were before anyone listened to their idiotic ideas.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 14, 2005 04:54 PM (0yYS2)
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Actually Maximus, You are not quoting "Dave" you are quoting the comedian "Bill Hicks" talking about the original Gulf War, it was used in the context of the media's assessment of the Republican Guard, vs. the actual Republican Guard.
Posted by: dave at June 14, 2005 06:24 PM (fsJ2z)
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Were prisoners forced to make boondoggle key chains? Because if they weren't, its not as bad as church camp.
Posted by: slickdpdx at June 14, 2005 06:57 PM (MjGRu)
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Yeah, I wish the Saudi's hands weren't in our pants so much. Even the amount of money they have tied up in our economy is insane.
Posted by: osamabeendrillin' at June 14, 2005 07:11 PM (buka0)
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I was particularly amused at them being shocked,
shocked at this dude having his "personal space invaded by a female". Sorry, but unless the personal space in question was his rectum & she was using a large strap-on to invade it with, I don't see how that qualifies as "torture". I say we turn some of my, um, kinkier friends loose on them & see just how quickly these "detainees" (aka captured terrorists) spill their guts.
Posted by: Cybrludite at June 15, 2005 12:53 AM (XFoEH)
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I'm with you Cybrludite, and I like the delicious irony of your name, you cheeky monkey you. I read at another blog this morning something about "...what kind of men are they if they're so terrified of dogs and women." Which reminds me, I still need to get a big, nasty-looking dog, and train him to hate the smell of muslims.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 15, 2005 01:04 PM (0yYS2)
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